February 23, 2025 • 43 mins
In This Hour:
-- Famed guitar player and cultural icon and lightning rod, Ted Nugent, on his visits with President Trump, the current shakeup in government, and what it means to gun owners.
-- Attorney General Pam Bondi fires the chief counsel at the ATF, saying the lawyer targeted gun owners instead of crimiinals.
-- On "223 Day," Tom runs down the history of this iconic rifle round, how it has evolved, and asks the question: "Why don't you own a .223?"
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-- Famed guitar player and cultural icon and lightning rod, Ted Nugent, on his visits with President Trump, the current shakeup in government, and what it means to gun owners.
-- Attorney General Pam Bondi fires the chief counsel at the ATF, saying the lawyer targeted gun owners instead of crimiinals.
-- On "223 Day," Tom runs down the history of this iconic rifle round, how it has evolved, and asks the question: "Why don't you own a .223?"
Gun Talk 02.23.25 Hour 1
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
He was the first and he's still the best. For
thirty years, Tom Gresham has been your trusted source on
all things ballistic, new guns, Second Amendment, personal protection, be
part of it. Paul, Tom Talk Gun Now, here's Tom.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Well, Welcome to gun Talk. I'm Tom Gresham and your host.
Glad that you could be with us. Got a whole
lot of things for us to talk about today. A
lot of things going on in the courts, as you
might imagine when it comes to Second Amendment, but also
we'll talk about cool guns and accessories and all sorts
of things. We're also going to be spending a fair
amount of time talking about self defense with guns, protecting
yourself and your loved ones, because the reality is that's
(00:57):
a lot of the reason that people own guns in
the first place. But first, what I want to do
is kind of a good assessment, if you will, of
where we are at the moment. You know, probably at
this point the Gun Talk has been on the air
for right at thirty years. Thirty years unbelievable, and a
lot of changes since then. But the big change happened
(01:20):
about both three or four weeks ago when Donald Trump
took office. What a change. I mean, it's just unbelievable.
And I thought, who better to talk about that and
to talk about this great reset we're calling it than
our buddy Ted Neusian. So I gave Ted a call
(01:41):
and this is what we got.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
How you doing, partner, Yeah, I'm doing so good. It's intoxicating.
I'm surrounded by.
Speaker 5 (01:50):
Such positive people, positive conditions because my inner circle and
my extended outer circle just the best people in the
world world, not just family and friends and hunting buddies
and band and crew, just everybody I bump into no
matter where I go. This is such such love for
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what Donald Trump represents and what we demand from our government.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
It's an amazing time. Do when we were texting this morning,
it's just like, this is the most amazing time. And
I will tell you personally, and this is my failing.
Perhaps I never thought we would get to this reset
that we're having right now.
Speaker 5 (02:30):
It is a reset, and I was with you on
that precipice, I was looking over into the abyss because
I've always been there. I've always fought against what I
knew was stupid and corruption, and I've paid.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
Quite a price for that.
Speaker 5 (02:48):
But my hope runs eternal because I've been so blessed
and privileged, honored and humbled to be into invited into
the Donald Trump inner circle from the first run in
twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, that I saw something there that
you know, you can see it when he's on TV,
you can see it when he's doing a presentation. But
(03:08):
unless you stand there with the man and you get
into a personal discussion about individual life, he can He
can reference and relate to anything.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
I bring up, and I bring up a lot of stuff.
Speaker 5 (03:23):
And he proved way back then coming down that escalator
when I first worked with him on the first campaign,
I went, wait a minute, this guy is almost omniscient.
This guy I can't lose him on any subject. He's
not a hunter, he's not a gun guy, but his
sons are. So I think that was a that was
a connection that otherwise would have not existed.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
But he would he would furrow his brow.
Speaker 5 (03:48):
And squint and go, oh, I didn't know that, Ted, Yeah, oh,
I see what you mean. Yeah, that that does sound
like an infringement. So when a guy running for president
who was a non politician, when he says something like that,
you go, oh boy, this is a rare guy. This
is a guy that relates to the hardworking families of
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America that are epitomized by Second Amendment enthusiasts. Because we
know our gift of life from God, we have a
moral obligation and a constitutional confirmation that we can keep
in bare arms. So yeah, it's an exciting time. But
there we're ready to fall over the cliff. We're right there.
We hang you by our toes, woke up people to
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vote God, family, country, law and order, and here we
are top aggression.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
Hallelujah.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Well, yeah, is we're talking right now. You just got
back from our al ago. You just spent time with
the president and his family, you know right there. When
you try to and I know you do this, people
have their own ideas about him, and I've always had
the thought that we don't really understand him if we're
just getting everything filtered through the media or even direct
(05:00):
from video. We're getting when he's on for the public
what's he really like?
Speaker 5 (05:05):
Well, Tom, you have a big plate. You you're an
active guy. You're a man of action. Your your dad
would be so proud of you. How you've carried on
this Second Amendment and conservation battle cry. So when you
when you when you see Donald Trump and a footage
show of him at a at a rally, and when
you when you see various footage of him speaking, it's
(05:30):
really him.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
Man, He he cares. He he comes right over to
Chamaine and I.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
He always references how beautiful Shomaine is, which is another
indicator that.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
He's really too dead smart guy.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
Right, So he is you know, you got Ted NuGen
on the phone here. He's you know, we're all individuals,
but he's one of us.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
He's he's like Ted NuGen with more power.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
So what you're saying is he's a good guy to
sit down with and just shoot the breeze.
Speaker 5 (06:00):
Yes, you should have seen us at the Oval office
back in twenty seventeen. And when he first twenty sixteen,
when he first swore in, he said, hey, ten, I
got this Paris accord here. What do you think I
should do with that?
Speaker 4 (06:12):
Noo?
Speaker 5 (06:14):
And I said I'd throw it out because we got
to clean his aerosoil on water. Because conservations, hunters, fishermen
and trappers spends trillions of dollars making sure the wildlife
habitat carries balance and will produce quality aerosoil and water.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
That was one of the times Tommy's quinn on win Oh.
I never thought of it that way.
Speaker 5 (06:31):
I go, why should we pay the bills for Sri
Lanka when they poop in the street. So when I
say stuff, and I have you noticed, I've always just said.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
So I just you come back your shell and just
say what you really mean?
Speaker 4 (06:44):
Man, And he kind of nodded.
Speaker 5 (06:47):
He went, you that's what I thought I was thinking.
He said, I was thinking of from a different angle.
But that's basically the truth, isn't it. So I'm not
taking credit tom Then he got rid of the paris achord,
but he got in put from people.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (07:01):
Sarah Palin was there that day, My wife Jumaine was
there that day, and and my buddy Bob Richie kid
Rock was there that day, who I'd been introducing into
the outdoor lifestyle. He was catching on and pursuing it
with vigor. So he you know, there's a word I'll
use a variation of it called a sheetkicker. There's down
(07:22):
to earth sheet kickers that he connects with. So yeah,
he's the real McCoy. He might be a billionaire and
out of stratosphere that you and I probably will never tread,
but he treads on our stratosphere. He's in our camp
and beyond, and he's getting all those billionaires to help
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us implement what we voted him to do.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
And that's that's the bottom line.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
All right. Let me ask you, because a lot of
people were saying, you know, as you said, he's really
not a gun guy, he's he really going to take
care of us. And then he got Pam Bondi and
she really wasn't that great. She got she's the point
of red flag law. But I'll tell you I kind
of gotta I mean, I was cautious, but I kind
of got a really good feeling. Right now, what do
you think we're going to be getting out of this
administration all across the board in terms of dealing with
(08:13):
the ATF, dealing with justice, dealing with basically our second
mienmity issues.
Speaker 5 (08:18):
Well, a lot of my friends say ted, you should
be the director of the ATF, and I said, yeah,
I should be for one day.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
Then I would cancel the whole organization.
Speaker 5 (08:26):
I think our unified truth logic and common sense Second Amendment.
Absolutism is represented by the growing battle cry to just
get rid of that wasteful, abusive infringement agency.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Now.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
I have some good friends that are ATF agents.
Speaker 5 (08:44):
But I scold them because they're supposed to be whistleblowers
and they cannot answer my question when I pose it
to them, I go, all right, John, what the hell
does alcohol tobacco on firearms have to do with anything?
Alcohol is a bet fridge, Tobacco is a crop, and
God gave me the right to keep the bear arms.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
What are you doing? Why?
Speaker 5 (09:06):
Why do you even exist taxes? So I'm an absolutist.
So that's that's the ultimate goal, is the elimination of
the ATF and the the I R S and the
F d A and the U S d A, or
at least get something that represents you know, food and
drug and medicine UH management on behalf.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
Of the citizens of America.
Speaker 5 (09:27):
But my point is is that right now we are
living in total infringement. I don't want to hear about
constitutional carry. I want to throw up every time somebody
tells me that somebody gave me constitutional carry.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
I was born with Constitution carry.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
And and nobody and nobody gave us the right to
keeping bear arms that existed prior to the existence of
this country and all the Secondmendment. I just say, government,
keep your hands off of.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
This bingal And you know, here's the point.
Speaker 5 (09:56):
If Donald Trump continually invites Ted Nugent to participate in
his events, you think he might be paying attention to
my absolutism. Now, I don't know how quickly that can
be implemented or accomplished, but if he is welcoming my
absolute big mouth. And you know, Tom, I've been doing
(10:17):
this before you were born. I don't think so, but
I understand, well what put me you're born because I
started in the sixties.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Yeah, hey, I got to start on you, all right.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
You know my point. I just have been relentless.
Speaker 5 (10:30):
And if he is that welcoming to me, then he
has to be welcoming to my absolutism when it comes
to science based hunting regulations and access to our federal
lands and the right to keep in bare arms while
I'm alive, while I walk the planet, let.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Me ask you, we're going to fast forward. You were
thirty years on the air for gun Talker is like
this week next week. Whenever we started with Bill Clinton,
when we started in ninety five, we had the Clinton
gun Band, the so called assault weapons band, and everything
it came after with Barack Obama and Biden and all
the rest of it. Could you ever imagine that thirty
(11:14):
years of gun talk that span, of course, you've been
doing this longer than that, that we would have the
Donald Trump, the big change and the swing that we're
having right now.
Speaker 5 (11:24):
Yes, and Tom Gresham, a salute to you, because when
you do gun talk, you are fanning the flames of
Second Amendment absolutism. That's what's celebrating new guns and new
AMMO and time at the range and self defense and
tactical training. That's what Tom Gresham represents. You can't stop us.
You can't stop Tom Gresher. So, yes, thirty years. It's
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my fiftieth anniversary of my song Stranglehold, my first solo
album nineteen seventy five. So we got a Ted Nugent
fiftieth anniversary Stranglehold T shirt and we're doing a bunch
of gigs at Ted Nugent dot Com. But yeah, you
celebrate thirty, I'm celebrating fifty. And it's because we are
not afraid to stand up and speak what we know
is truth, logic, and common sense. So a big salute
(12:09):
to you, man, and thank you for having me on
your show because I get all giddy because I'm a
gun guy. I've been findaling Ammo all day and I
show my guns on my Real America Voice Spirit Campfire,
and I'm a gun guy, and.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
I know, always fun talking with Ted Nugent. I mean,
how can you not have fine shooting the breeze with him? Hey,
don't go far if you want to hope, if you
want to be a part of the action here, if
you've got a reaction to any of this, give me
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and for safety and handling. I happened upon your show
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I have learned so much that I cannot put it
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into words. And I even became an auxiliary deputy for
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so appreciate you and the value of your show provides.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Welcome back to gun Talk. We of course just had
our interview with Ted Nugent and I recorded that like
three days ago in Holy Cow. It's already as they said,
not aged well because events have happened and things have changed,
and news is breaking left and right. I mean you
may not even have hurt. But not everybody's heard about
this unless you're really plugged in on the internet. But
(15:46):
I mean changes as far as who's gonna run the
ATF I'll try to run it all down for you,
and it may be changing and breaking even as we're
speaking on the air, because things are crazy. Somebody just
over X where you can follow me, I am at
gun talk. Somebody just said I kind of missed the
times when you would just talk about guns and you
(16:06):
wouldn't have to talk about politics. My response was, yeah,
we still talk about guns, and we're going to talk
about guns today. But look, the events of the last
thirty days demand attention. In fifty years, a half a
century of covering guns and gun rights, and I have
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been writing about all of this in magazines and in books,
and then of course thirty plus years, forty years, I
guess maybe in broadcasts and TV and radio. I and
we have never seen anything like this what's happening right now,
actually over the last thirty days, but even the last
seven days, you've got President Trump is issued in an
(16:51):
executive order telling the US Attorney General, Pam Bondi, to
take thirty days and do a review of all the
gun laws and gun restrictions and the regulations that were
put in place by the Biden administration to restrict gun
ownership to target gun owners. So she's doing that right now.
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And then about three days ago, the Attorney's General of
Pam Bondy fired the chief Council at the ATF, Pamela Hicks.
And I don't have this on solid knowledge, but I
imagine with something like this, people walk in and say,
you need to back away from the keyboard, put all
your stuff in that cardboard box, and follow these nice
(17:35):
officers out to your car the parking lot. This is
the chief council. The chief attorney for the ATF was
fired and sent on her way, and Pambody did an interview.
She said, well, it was because Pamela Hicks, the chief
council was targeting American gun owners rather than going after criminals.
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Oh okay, I'm feeling better about Pambondi at this point.
And then of course we get this news the middle
of the week the cash Betel has been confirmed and
sworn in as head of the FBI. He's the director
of the FBI. He's gonna go through that place like
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you know, an m one Abrams tank with forty two
flamethrowers going all the time. Just saw online that they
said that he has ordered fifteen hundred ATF agents and
employees to be moved, to be transferred to locations outside
of DC. As somebody said, you know, if you're a
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left leanding, woke bureaucrat at ATF, sending them to Alabama
is like a death sentence, and they will quit. They're
gonna get what they want. They're gonna quit these FBI agents.
That's a good thing. And then yesterday and today the
breaking news is that supposedly and it looks like it's
(19:04):
a solid deal. Cash Battel. This is so weird, you
got to hang on for this. Now. Cash Battel, who
is the new FBI director, is being selected as the
new acting director of the ATF. Yeah, so Cash Battel
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will be running the FBI and the ATF. What's that mean? Well,
we don't know, but we can guess. And that's part
of the fun, isn't it. Until we find out more
about it. There have been many calls to disband the ATF.
I mean, like over a gazillion years. I think nineteen
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eighty one a Democrat Congressman John Dingle, a Democrat, called
the ATF jack booted fascist and call for the disbanding
of the ATF in nineteen eighty one. That was a Democrat.
President Reagan floaded the idea of folding the ATF into
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the Secret Service in nineteen eighty one. Didn't happen. But
now the ATF make it folded into the FBI. Now,
I'll just admit to you I have concerns. I'm sure
they are looking into this and being smart about it.
But here's the thing. The FBI is all about putting
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people in prison. The FBI is about charging people with crimes.
The FBI is about investigating people. The ATF, although it
has an enforcement arm, is largely regulatory. There's a lot
of stuff that does that is kind of invisible to us.
If you're in the firearms industry, you know about it
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and you see what they do. In case in point,
if there's no ATF, imagine with this game with me.
Imagine there's no ATF. Who's going to renew your local
stores federal firearms license? How they're going to renew an FFL,
how's a new store going to get an FFL. Who's
going to process NFA items suppressors? Well, okay, yeah, I
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know we'd love to get rid of the n FA
National Firems Act. And maybe maybe that happens, who knows.
But I'm just saying that there's there's more to it
than just say, well, we're just going to wipe out
the ATF. There are functions they're doing that we you
and I could probably agree that a lot of them
are superflous or that's unnecessarily even anti American, unconstitutional, But
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right now, the law says you have to get these papers,
you got to get your FFL, you got to get
your tax stamp, you got to get et cetera, et cetera.
So I just hope that if they're going to fold
this into the FBI, they're considering that. And yet I
would love to see absolutely no more tactical units in
ATF because they killed people, they killed the wrong people,
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they kill good people. They kick indoors first thing in
the morning with unannounced, no knock warrants when they could
have just arrested somebody's office. I'm talking to little Rock,
Arkansas more when we come back. Hey, welcome back to
(22:24):
gun Talk. I'm Tom Gresham and you can join us.
Give me a call it Tom's Talk gun because that's
what we do around here, right and we'll talk about
whatever you want to talk about, if it's the gun
you took out to the range, or you did a
little shooting, or you bought a new gun. I'm going
to share my story of last FRIDEA went out and
shot a steel challenge match. It's winter around here. We
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have four feet of snow everywhere I am, so I
have to drive two hours each way to get to
a range. Really, and man, winter has been unkind to
my shooting skills. Let me just say that it was ugly.
Holy I'll share that with you a little bit, because well,
(23:08):
it's good to get out and shoot. And I got
some practice, and I got some motivation, and I got
to shoot with some people who are really good, and
I learned some things. All that's good. A little embarrassing,
I mean no, I mean like I did embarrass the family,
but I would like to have done better. Well, but
details in just a little bit. We're talking right now
about Holy Cow. Cash Betel is the new FBI director,
(23:30):
and it looks like he's going to be the new
acting director of the ATF, Pam BONDI just fired the
head lawyer, the chief counsel at ATF said she's a counselor.
There was targeting legitimate gun owners, American gun owners. Wow,
let's get to that just a second. First. I want
to grab Mark and Richmond virgin he's online too, Hey, Mark,
(23:50):
what's this news about the do O D destroying brass?
Speaker 4 (23:55):
No?
Speaker 10 (23:55):
Yeah, so, I don't know if you ever saw that.
Obama started doing this in order to make AMMA more
expensive in the civilian market. So they take the once
shot nine milimeter two twenty three three h eight and
they put it through crushers and then they make the
breath available just both for something else, right.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
And they could assaulted as reloadable brass, and we would
have paid more to the government to get reloadable brass.
Speaker 10 (24:28):
Yes, that's why once once remanufactured EMMA used to be
way cheaper before Obama. So it would save the government
money and they would generate generate more revenue if they
would stop doing that and just make that available to
the civilian market.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
I think we got to win. Yeah, you did.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
Oh I did.
Speaker 10 (24:52):
But I'm only one voice, right. I really wish that
Ted Nugent would have would have listened to this, or
hopefully still listening, because you want to say, I'll.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
You know what, let me shoot, I'll shoot tet a
note and say, look, here's one you know. You can
talk to Trump, you can talk to Elin, and you
can talk to Pete Hexseth, and I bet we can
get it done. I mean, this is the kind of thing.
It just takes one memo from Pete Hexseth and it
gets done. Secondary defense can make that stop. Say look,
quit destroying the brass. It is reloadable. America's shooters would
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buy it, and we make money. So it's a win win.
And here's the deal for people to understanding. Look, I
appreciate the call. If the if the government makes money,
it means they need less of our tax money. Remember, okay,
this important thing here. There's no such thing as government money.
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It's all our individual money, and it's taken from us
under threat of physical violence. Make no mistake. That's the
only reason we send in our taxes because if we don't,
they're gonna send people with guns eventually. So there's no
such thing as government money as long as I'm at
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at there's one other thing there seems to be in
this discussion that's going on everywhere right now, some kind
of miscalculation or confusion or not understanding that the government
is not the country. Let me say that again. The
government is not the country. The government is simply a mechanism,
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and it's completely out of control. Bureaucracies run independent of
anything of any controlled at all. All that's being rained
in right now. And now we have this shell game
that's being created of hundreds, if not thousands of nonprofits
and they're simply to steal money. And you got people
(26:55):
screaming about humanitarian aid. They're not gonna you can't do
this and people are gonna die. Yeah, except that maybe
ten percent, maybe twenty percent just sent to these agencies,
these nonprofits, these non governmental agency organizations, gets used for
the purported purpose and the rest disappears. Billions of dollars
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just disappear. It's theft on a grand scale scale, on
a scale we can't even imagine. So just keep all
that in mind. I mean, look, the pendum's going to swing,
and I hope it swings way out really far because
when it comes back, maybe it won't come back as
far because the Democrats at some point will regain control
(27:42):
of Congress. That's just the nature of politics. Okay. I
mentioned as we went to the break that the ATF
may be folded into the FBI. That would be interesting.
And my point on that was, I would like to
see ATF completely gutted of all of its tactical units,
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because there are paramilitary tactical units in ATF and they
like to do tactical things. Look, if you told a
pilot you can do high speed taxis all day long,
but you can't pull back on the yoke to make
the plane take off. Eventually he or she's going to
pull back on the yoak and take off. If you
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train people to do dynamic entry and blow things up
and throw in flash banks and shoot people in their training,
eventually they're going to kick indoors and throw in flash
banks and shoot people. It's just going to happen. And
the ATF has a history now, a very long history
now of setting up scenarios so they get to shoot Americans.
(28:53):
Examples go all the way back to Waco. They said
that David Koresh had un registered machine guns David Koresh
would go on his runs every day by himself. Pretty
easy to roll up there and simply arrest him while
he's running. Oh no, no, no, no, we have to
(29:14):
roll up at a convoy and oh yeah, by the way,
ATF make sure that they have brought TV stations with
them to document this, so we're going to do shock
and awe. When he could have rolled up and said,
mister Koresh, could you step in the car here? Fast
forward to last year, actually a year ago, last Wednesday,
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Little Rock, Arkansas. Ryan Melanowski. He was the head of
the airport in Little Rock, Arkansas. He was the highest
paid employee in Little Rock, and the ATF raided his
home at six o'clock in the morning, kicked in the door.
He probably thought this was an intruder. He fired a shot.
(29:58):
They killed him dead. He went to the office every day.
The ATF could have sent two agents over there with
an appointment, or just walked in and said we need
to speak to you, sir, and arrested him. If that's
what they chose to do. They didn't have to go
to his house at six o'clock in the morning kicking
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the door and kill him. But that's what they train
on to. Rogue agency has been a rogue agency. Jack
booted fascist is what John Dingle called him, not incorrectly,
and there are many many more examples of that. So
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get rid of that completely. Take all of that out
of the ATF, folded into the FBI, which doesn't have
a perfect record, no doubt about that. But we'll address
that as we go along. This is changing so quickly.
Let me just suggest if you want to follow this
more closely, follow me over on X or for me
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Speaker 2 (33:41):
Gun Talk hits thirty years.
Speaker 4 (33:43):
What has gun talk meant to you?
Speaker 2 (33:45):
Record a short message to Tom on your phone, include
your name and where you live, and a brief congratulations
message and email it to Tom at gun talk dot com.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
Here's one for you. If you're paying attention, you've seen
the news of this USAID and the tens of billions
of dollars that have been sent out to organizations, non
governmental organizations. But also this was interesting part government money,
(34:19):
which is your money, my money, our money, being siphoned
off and sent to media outlets to pay them to
carry the water for the Democrats, to pay them to
push the agenda of the Democrat Party, to pay them
and influence them to basically echo whatever is being called
(34:43):
for by the Democrats. Also, of course, some of that money.
Millions of dollars went to gun control groups in the
US us AID sent to gun control Your money, my money,
are hard earned dollars being used to push for restrictions
(35:10):
on our individual rights. Let me tie it together for you.
This is from way back in nineteen ninety five. Eric Holder,
Attorney Journal of the United States. He was talking to
a group about reducing gun related violence. And this is
(35:33):
what he said. This is the Attorney General. We just
have to be repetitive about this. It's not enough to
have a catchy ad on Monday and then only do
it every Monday. We have to do this every day
of the week. Just really brainwash people into thinking about
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guns in a vastly different way. Brainwash people into thinking
about guns in a vastly different way. Put that statement,
Put that line of thinking together as from nineteen ninety
five with the USAID, billions of dollars spent and given
(36:19):
to gun control groups, gun band groups, and the media,
and you now have a way to brainwash people every
single day and be repetitive about it, and hit this
thing thousands and hundreds of thousands and millions of times
where people hear the term gun violence, gun violence, gun violence,
gun violence until they start using it without even thinking
(36:42):
about what it is. It's saying that other violence doesn't matter,
only violence that's done with a gun is important. Every
time you hear the phrase gun violence, if you even
think about terms that way, if you think about gun violence,
you have been brainwashed. You have been brainwashed and coerced
and manipulated into thinking that there actually is such a thing.
(37:07):
There's violence, and who cares what the tool is? Well,
you care if the goal is to ban guns. And
so you create a term like gun, buy its and
you get the media to repeat it ten billion times.
And you create a term like assault weapon, and you
pay the media to create it, to repeat it millions
(37:32):
of times, and eventually it really works. I mean, it's
like if you you know, advertise, it works. It's the
reason that people buy ads and buy commercials. And if
you can get the media to do it for you
without having to buy advertised you just give them the
money in the form of grants or whatever, or phony
(37:53):
subscriptions to highly inflated rates of special professional level subscriptions
basically money money launder, and give them a bunch of money.
They will carry the water for you, and they do
and the media repeats the gun baned litany the terms
they come up with, the phony studies they come up with,
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more children in America are killed with guns than any
other means that's not true. It's never been true. It's
a lie. All the data says it's a lie, All
the research says it's a lie. But the media keeps
repeating it. Why they get tens of millions of dollars
to repeat it? Gun violence phony term? You've heard it
(38:40):
so often you think it's real. We all tend to.
You have to actually force yourself to break out and
go okay, that's brainwashing. That's Eric Holder in nineteen ninety
five saying we have to brainwash people against the gun.
And that's what Donald Trump and Doze are doing. They're
finding it and they're stamping it out. And they've only
just started happy two two three days. It's February twenty three,
(39:15):
two to three, two to three. Of course, the cartridge
caliber people call it cartridge how along with the five
five six that the M four AR fifteen's chambered for.
Where did it come from? What's the big deal? Is
it important? Yeah? I think it's one of the most
consequential cartridges ever created. A little bit later in the show,
(39:39):
we'll talk about two two three and five five six
and let me another question out there. Should everybody own
and they are just because if you do, why do
you own one? Oh oh, I got a question for you.
And you know we're told don't don't fire five five
six cartridge and a two two three rifle? Really, huh
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do you do that? Okay, you're not supposed to, you know,
but as a disclaimer, don't do this. I do it.
I do it. It's a difference in pressure. The cartoons
are exactly the same dimensions, and when I look on
like Black Kills AMO on their website, the velosities with
the same bullets are the same, whether it's two two
(40:23):
three or five five six. If the velocities are the same,
the pressure is the same. I use them interchangeably. Oh, Tom,
you're not supposed to say that. Well, okay, fine, Hey,
just a little bit. We're gonna talk about what's wrong
with defensive firearms training, particularly a defensive handgun train. There's
a lot wrong with it, and why don't people get
(40:44):
it more. We can talk about that. Try to figure
that out. Got some ideas for you on that also,
I'm gonna talk to the guy who was the very
first person to say yes to gun talk radio. It
helped me get this thing started. By the way, did
you notice when I was talking about Eric Holder in
the last segment nineteen ninety five and he says, we
really need to brainwash people into thinking about guns in
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a vastly different way. The year was nineteen ninety five,
the year before Congress had passed the Clinton gun Band,
the gun control, the so called assault weapons band. So
nineteen ninety five was when we started gun talk. When
I started gun talk, it was a crazy time. We
just had this massive gun control bill passed, supposedly a
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gun ban, but it really wasn't. It was a ban
on standard capacity magazines, and it kind of got the
whole ball rolling on the assault weapon bands, if you will,
with the big air quotes around that, because we know
there's no such thing as an assault weapon. It's a
phony term, political term. But it got that whole ball
rolling and stayed after state has passed them. The Colorado
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just passed the ban on semi automatic rifles, shotguns and pistols.
Spin on which models they are. They have some carve
outs there that make it extremely difficult, but the possible
for you to get your gun, the gun that you
are guaranteed access to by the United States Constitution. Yeah,
we'll see. It'll end up either in court or maybe hey, look,
(42:14):
last Friday, the Supreme Court had a conference to talk
about the Snops case. That's a state Maryland state gun
ban semi automatic so called assault weapon ban. Probably we'll
find out tomorrow on Monday whether the Supreme Court is
going to take this case. If they do, I think
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they're going to end up saying no, States, you cannot
ban semi automatic firearms. They are protected under the Second Amendment.
If that happens, then all these other state laws probably
go away. It probably takes some work to get it done.
Or maybe Pam Bondy does something about it, or maybe
Cash Pattel, as the new acting director of ATF does
(42:57):
something about it, or maybe Donald Trump with an executive
order does something about it. We have options today that
we could not have imagined thirty years ago. The changes
I have seen in thirty years are astounding. Actually over
the last thirty days, if you will, hey, we'll we
come back. We're going to talk about what's wrong with
(43:19):
defensive handgun training and what you need to know. Also
a little bit more about the beginnings of gun talk radio.
Crazy stuff. I'm just having fun here and you can
join me eight six y six Talk Gun or call
me it Tom Talk Gun. I'm Tom Gresham. This is
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
He was the first and he's still the best. For
thirty years, Tom Gresham has been your trusted source on
all things ballistic, new guns, Second Amendment, personal protection, be
part of it. Paul, Tom Talk Gun Now, here's Tom.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Well, Welcome to gun Talk. I'm Tom Gresham and your host.
Glad that you could be with us. Got a whole
lot of things for us to talk about today. A
lot of things going on in the courts, as you
might imagine when it comes to Second Amendment, but also
we'll talk about cool guns and accessories and all sorts
of things. We're also going to be spending a fair
amount of time talking about self defense with guns, protecting
yourself and your loved ones, because the reality is that's
(00:57):
a lot of the reason that people own guns in
the first place. But first, what I want to do
is kind of a good assessment, if you will, of
where we are at the moment. You know, probably at
this point the Gun Talk has been on the air
for right at thirty years. Thirty years unbelievable, and a
lot of changes since then. But the big change happened
(01:20):
about both three or four weeks ago when Donald Trump
took office. What a change. I mean, it's just unbelievable.
And I thought, who better to talk about that and
to talk about this great reset we're calling it than
our buddy Ted Neusian. So I gave Ted a call
(01:41):
and this is what we got.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
How you doing, partner, Yeah, I'm doing so good. It's intoxicating.
I'm surrounded by.
Speaker 5 (01:50):
Such positive people, positive conditions because my inner circle and
my extended outer circle just the best people in the
world world, not just family and friends and hunting buddies
and band and crew, just everybody I bump into no
matter where I go. This is such such love for
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what Donald Trump represents and what we demand from our government.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
It's an amazing time. Do when we were texting this morning,
it's just like, this is the most amazing time. And
I will tell you personally, and this is my failing.
Perhaps I never thought we would get to this reset
that we're having right now.
Speaker 5 (02:30):
It is a reset, and I was with you on
that precipice, I was looking over into the abyss because
I've always been there. I've always fought against what I
knew was stupid and corruption, and I've paid.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
Quite a price for that.
Speaker 5 (02:48):
But my hope runs eternal because I've been so blessed
and privileged, honored and humbled to be into invited into
the Donald Trump inner circle from the first run in
twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, that I saw something there that
you know, you can see it when he's on TV,
you can see it when he's doing a presentation. But
(03:08):
unless you stand there with the man and you get
into a personal discussion about individual life, he can He
can reference and relate to anything.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
I bring up, and I bring up a lot of stuff.
Speaker 5 (03:23):
And he proved way back then coming down that escalator
when I first worked with him on the first campaign,
I went, wait a minute, this guy is almost omniscient.
This guy I can't lose him on any subject. He's
not a hunter, he's not a gun guy, but his
sons are. So I think that was a that was
a connection that otherwise would have not existed.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
But he would he would furrow his brow.
Speaker 5 (03:48):
And squint and go, oh, I didn't know that, Ted, Yeah, oh,
I see what you mean. Yeah, that that does sound
like an infringement. So when a guy running for president
who was a non politician, when he says something like that,
you go, oh boy, this is a rare guy. This
is a guy that relates to the hardworking families of
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America that are epitomized by Second Amendment enthusiasts. Because we
know our gift of life from God, we have a
moral obligation and a constitutional confirmation that we can keep
in bare arms. So yeah, it's an exciting time. But
there we're ready to fall over the cliff. We're right there.
We hang you by our toes, woke up people to
(04:32):
vote God, family, country, law and order, and here we
are top aggression.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
Hallelujah.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Well, yeah, is we're talking right now. You just got
back from our al ago. You just spent time with
the president and his family, you know right there. When
you try to and I know you do this, people
have their own ideas about him, and I've always had
the thought that we don't really understand him if we're
just getting everything filtered through the media or even direct
(05:00):
from video. We're getting when he's on for the public
what's he really like?
Speaker 5 (05:05):
Well, Tom, you have a big plate. You you're an
active guy. You're a man of action. Your your dad
would be so proud of you. How you've carried on
this Second Amendment and conservation battle cry. So when you
when you when you see Donald Trump and a footage
show of him at a at a rally, and when
you when you see various footage of him speaking, it's
(05:30):
really him.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
Man, He he cares. He he comes right over to
Chamaine and I.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
He always references how beautiful Shomaine is, which is another
indicator that.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
He's really too dead smart guy.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
Right, So he is you know, you got Ted NuGen
on the phone here. He's you know, we're all individuals,
but he's one of us.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
He's he's like Ted NuGen with more power.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
So what you're saying is he's a good guy to
sit down with and just shoot the breeze.
Speaker 5 (06:00):
Yes, you should have seen us at the Oval office
back in twenty seventeen. And when he first twenty sixteen,
when he first swore in, he said, hey, ten, I
got this Paris accord here. What do you think I
should do with that?
Speaker 4 (06:12):
Noo?
Speaker 5 (06:14):
And I said I'd throw it out because we got
to clean his aerosoil on water. Because conservations, hunters, fishermen
and trappers spends trillions of dollars making sure the wildlife
habitat carries balance and will produce quality aerosoil and water.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
That was one of the times Tommy's quinn on win Oh.
I never thought of it that way.
Speaker 5 (06:31):
I go, why should we pay the bills for Sri
Lanka when they poop in the street. So when I
say stuff, and I have you noticed, I've always just said.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
So I just you come back your shell and just
say what you really mean?
Speaker 4 (06:44):
Man, And he kind of nodded.
Speaker 5 (06:47):
He went, you that's what I thought I was thinking.
He said, I was thinking of from a different angle.
But that's basically the truth, isn't it. So I'm not
taking credit tom Then he got rid of the paris achord,
but he got in put from people.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (07:01):
Sarah Palin was there that day, My wife Jumaine was
there that day, and and my buddy Bob Richie kid
Rock was there that day, who I'd been introducing into
the outdoor lifestyle. He was catching on and pursuing it
with vigor. So he you know, there's a word I'll
use a variation of it called a sheetkicker. There's down
(07:22):
to earth sheet kickers that he connects with. So yeah,
he's the real McCoy. He might be a billionaire and
out of stratosphere that you and I probably will never tread,
but he treads on our stratosphere. He's in our camp
and beyond, and he's getting all those billionaires to help
(07:44):
us implement what we voted him to do.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
And that's that's the bottom line.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
All right. Let me ask you, because a lot of
people were saying, you know, as you said, he's really
not a gun guy, he's he really going to take
care of us. And then he got Pam Bondi and
she really wasn't that great. She got she's the point
of red flag law. But I'll tell you I kind
of gotta I mean, I was cautious, but I kind
of got a really good feeling. Right now, what do
you think we're going to be getting out of this
administration all across the board in terms of dealing with
(08:13):
the ATF, dealing with justice, dealing with basically our second
mienmity issues.
Speaker 5 (08:18):
Well, a lot of my friends say ted, you should
be the director of the ATF, and I said, yeah,
I should be for one day.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
Then I would cancel the whole organization.
Speaker 5 (08:26):
I think our unified truth logic and common sense Second Amendment.
Absolutism is represented by the growing battle cry to just
get rid of that wasteful, abusive infringement agency.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Now.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
I have some good friends that are ATF agents.
Speaker 5 (08:44):
But I scold them because they're supposed to be whistleblowers
and they cannot answer my question when I pose it
to them, I go, all right, John, what the hell
does alcohol tobacco on firearms have to do with anything?
Alcohol is a bet fridge, Tobacco is a crop, and
God gave me the right to keep the bear arms.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
What are you doing? Why?
Speaker 5 (09:06):
Why do you even exist taxes? So I'm an absolutist.
So that's that's the ultimate goal, is the elimination of
the ATF and the the I R S and the
F d A and the U S d A, or
at least get something that represents you know, food and
drug and medicine UH management on behalf.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
Of the citizens of America.
Speaker 5 (09:27):
But my point is is that right now we are
living in total infringement. I don't want to hear about
constitutional carry. I want to throw up every time somebody
tells me that somebody gave me constitutional carry.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
I was born with Constitution carry.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
And and nobody and nobody gave us the right to
keeping bear arms that existed prior to the existence of
this country and all the Secondmendment. I just say, government,
keep your hands off of.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
This bingal And you know, here's the point.
Speaker 5 (09:56):
If Donald Trump continually invites Ted Nugent to participate in
his events, you think he might be paying attention to
my absolutism. Now, I don't know how quickly that can
be implemented or accomplished, but if he is welcoming my
absolute big mouth. And you know, Tom, I've been doing
(10:17):
this before you were born. I don't think so, but
I understand, well what put me you're born because I
started in the sixties.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Yeah, hey, I got to start on you, all right.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
You know my point. I just have been relentless.
Speaker 5 (10:30):
And if he is that welcoming to me, then he
has to be welcoming to my absolutism when it comes
to science based hunting regulations and access to our federal
lands and the right to keep in bare arms while
I'm alive, while I walk the planet, let.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Me ask you, we're going to fast forward. You were
thirty years on the air for gun Talker is like
this week next week. Whenever we started with Bill Clinton,
when we started in ninety five, we had the Clinton
gun Band, the so called assault weapons band, and everything
it came after with Barack Obama and Biden and all
the rest of it. Could you ever imagine that thirty
(11:14):
years of gun talk that span, of course, you've been
doing this longer than that, that we would have the
Donald Trump, the big change and the swing that we're
having right now.
Speaker 5 (11:24):
Yes, and Tom Gresham, a salute to you, because when
you do gun talk, you are fanning the flames of
Second Amendment absolutism. That's what's celebrating new guns and new
AMMO and time at the range and self defense and
tactical training. That's what Tom Gresham represents. You can't stop us.
You can't stop Tom Gresher. So, yes, thirty years. It's
(11:47):
my fiftieth anniversary of my song Stranglehold, my first solo
album nineteen seventy five. So we got a Ted Nugent
fiftieth anniversary Stranglehold T shirt and we're doing a bunch
of gigs at Ted Nugent dot Com. But yeah, you
celebrate thirty, I'm celebrating fifty. And it's because we are
not afraid to stand up and speak what we know
is truth, logic, and common sense. So a big salute
(12:09):
to you, man, and thank you for having me on
your show because I get all giddy because I'm a
gun guy. I've been findaling Ammo all day and I
show my guns on my Real America Voice Spirit Campfire,
and I'm a gun guy, and.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
I know, always fun talking with Ted Nugent. I mean,
how can you not have fine shooting the breeze with him? Hey,
don't go far if you want to hope, if you
want to be a part of the action here, if
you've got a reaction to any of this, give me
a holler. Eight six six Talk Gun or Tom Talk Gun.
I'm Tom Gresham. Gun Talk will be right back.
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Congratulations on thirty years of excellence. So this is Jeff
in Louisville, Kentucky, and I'd never shod anything more than
a BB gun, but at the age of three, I
bought my first handgun, and I was hungry for knowledge
and for safety and handling. I happened upon your show
in twenty eleven and I haven't missed an episode since.
I have learned so much that I cannot put it
(15:12):
into words. And I even became an auxiliary deputy for
my county sheriff. It's been a great journey and I
so appreciate you and the value of your show provides.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Welcome back to gun Talk. We of course just had
our interview with Ted Nugent and I recorded that like
three days ago in Holy Cow. It's already as they said,
not aged well because events have happened and things have changed,
and news is breaking left and right. I mean you
may not even have hurt. But not everybody's heard about
this unless you're really plugged in on the internet. But
(15:46):
I mean changes as far as who's gonna run the
ATF I'll try to run it all down for you,
and it may be changing and breaking even as we're
speaking on the air, because things are crazy. Somebody just
over X where you can follow me, I am at
gun talk. Somebody just said I kind of missed the
times when you would just talk about guns and you
(16:06):
wouldn't have to talk about politics. My response was, yeah,
we still talk about guns, and we're going to talk
about guns today. But look, the events of the last
thirty days demand attention. In fifty years, a half a
century of covering guns and gun rights, and I have
(16:27):
been writing about all of this in magazines and in books,
and then of course thirty plus years, forty years, I
guess maybe in broadcasts and TV and radio. I and
we have never seen anything like this what's happening right now,
actually over the last thirty days, but even the last
seven days, you've got President Trump is issued in an
(16:51):
executive order telling the US Attorney General, Pam Bondi, to
take thirty days and do a review of all the
gun laws and gun restrictions and the regulations that were
put in place by the Biden administration to restrict gun
ownership to target gun owners. So she's doing that right now.
(17:12):
And then about three days ago, the Attorney's General of
Pam Bondy fired the chief Council at the ATF, Pamela Hicks.
And I don't have this on solid knowledge, but I
imagine with something like this, people walk in and say,
you need to back away from the keyboard, put all
your stuff in that cardboard box, and follow these nice
(17:35):
officers out to your car the parking lot. This is
the chief council. The chief attorney for the ATF was
fired and sent on her way, and Pambody did an interview.
She said, well, it was because Pamela Hicks, the chief
council was targeting American gun owners rather than going after criminals.
(18:00):
Oh okay, I'm feeling better about Pambondi at this point.
And then of course we get this news the middle
of the week the cash Betel has been confirmed and
sworn in as head of the FBI. He's the director
of the FBI. He's gonna go through that place like
(18:20):
you know, an m one Abrams tank with forty two
flamethrowers going all the time. Just saw online that they
said that he has ordered fifteen hundred ATF agents and
employees to be moved, to be transferred to locations outside
of DC. As somebody said, you know, if you're a
(18:43):
left leanding, woke bureaucrat at ATF, sending them to Alabama
is like a death sentence, and they will quit. They're
gonna get what they want. They're gonna quit these FBI agents.
That's a good thing. And then yesterday and today the
breaking news is that supposedly and it looks like it's
(19:04):
a solid deal. Cash Battel. This is so weird, you
got to hang on for this. Now. Cash Battel, who
is the new FBI director, is being selected as the
new acting director of the ATF. Yeah, so Cash Battel
(19:24):
will be running the FBI and the ATF. What's that mean? Well,
we don't know, but we can guess. And that's part
of the fun, isn't it. Until we find out more
about it. There have been many calls to disband the ATF.
I mean, like over a gazillion years. I think nineteen
(19:46):
eighty one a Democrat Congressman John Dingle, a Democrat, called
the ATF jack booted fascist and call for the disbanding
of the ATF in nineteen eighty one. That was a Democrat.
President Reagan floaded the idea of folding the ATF into
(20:09):
the Secret Service in nineteen eighty one. Didn't happen. But
now the ATF make it folded into the FBI. Now,
I'll just admit to you I have concerns. I'm sure
they are looking into this and being smart about it.
But here's the thing. The FBI is all about putting
(20:33):
people in prison. The FBI is about charging people with crimes.
The FBI is about investigating people. The ATF, although it
has an enforcement arm, is largely regulatory. There's a lot
of stuff that does that is kind of invisible to us.
If you're in the firearms industry, you know about it
(20:54):
and you see what they do. In case in point,
if there's no ATF, imagine with this game with me.
Imagine there's no ATF. Who's going to renew your local
stores federal firearms license? How they're going to renew an FFL,
how's a new store going to get an FFL. Who's
going to process NFA items suppressors? Well, okay, yeah, I
(21:18):
know we'd love to get rid of the n FA
National Firems Act. And maybe maybe that happens, who knows.
But I'm just saying that there's there's more to it
than just say, well, we're just going to wipe out
the ATF. There are functions they're doing that we you
and I could probably agree that a lot of them
are superflous or that's unnecessarily even anti American, unconstitutional, But
(21:41):
right now, the law says you have to get these papers,
you got to get your FFL, you got to get
your tax stamp, you got to get et cetera, et cetera.
So I just hope that if they're going to fold
this into the FBI, they're considering that. And yet I
would love to see absolutely no more tactical units in
ATF because they killed people, they killed the wrong people,
(22:02):
they kill good people. They kick indoors first thing in
the morning with unannounced, no knock warrants when they could
have just arrested somebody's office. I'm talking to little Rock,
Arkansas more when we come back. Hey, welcome back to
(22:24):
gun Talk. I'm Tom Gresham and you can join us.
Give me a call it Tom's Talk gun because that's
what we do around here, right and we'll talk about
whatever you want to talk about, if it's the gun
you took out to the range, or you did a
little shooting, or you bought a new gun. I'm going
to share my story of last FRIDEA went out and
shot a steel challenge match. It's winter around here. We
(22:47):
have four feet of snow everywhere I am, so I
have to drive two hours each way to get to
a range. Really, and man, winter has been unkind to
my shooting skills. Let me just say that it was ugly.
Holy I'll share that with you a little bit, because well,
(23:08):
it's good to get out and shoot. And I got
some practice, and I got some motivation, and I got
to shoot with some people who are really good, and
I learned some things. All that's good. A little embarrassing,
I mean no, I mean like I did embarrass the family,
but I would like to have done better. Well, but
details in just a little bit. We're talking right now
about Holy Cow. Cash Betel is the new FBI director,
(23:30):
and it looks like he's going to be the new
acting director of the ATF, Pam BONDI just fired the
head lawyer, the chief counsel at ATF said she's a counselor.
There was targeting legitimate gun owners, American gun owners. Wow,
let's get to that just a second. First. I want
to grab Mark and Richmond virgin he's online too, Hey, Mark,
(23:50):
what's this news about the do O D destroying brass?
Speaker 4 (23:55):
No?
Speaker 10 (23:55):
Yeah, so, I don't know if you ever saw that.
Obama started doing this in order to make AMMA more
expensive in the civilian market. So they take the once
shot nine milimeter two twenty three three h eight and
they put it through crushers and then they make the
breath available just both for something else, right.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
And they could assaulted as reloadable brass, and we would
have paid more to the government to get reloadable brass.
Speaker 10 (24:28):
Yes, that's why once once remanufactured EMMA used to be
way cheaper before Obama. So it would save the government
money and they would generate generate more revenue if they
would stop doing that and just make that available to
the civilian market.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
I think we got to win. Yeah, you did.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
Oh I did.
Speaker 10 (24:52):
But I'm only one voice, right. I really wish that
Ted Nugent would have would have listened to this, or
hopefully still listening, because you want to say, I'll.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
You know what, let me shoot, I'll shoot tet a
note and say, look, here's one you know. You can
talk to Trump, you can talk to Elin, and you
can talk to Pete Hexseth, and I bet we can
get it done. I mean, this is the kind of thing.
It just takes one memo from Pete Hexseth and it
gets done. Secondary defense can make that stop. Say look,
quit destroying the brass. It is reloadable. America's shooters would
(25:24):
buy it, and we make money. So it's a win win.
And here's the deal for people to understanding. Look, I
appreciate the call. If the if the government makes money,
it means they need less of our tax money. Remember, okay,
this important thing here. There's no such thing as government money.
(25:45):
It's all our individual money, and it's taken from us
under threat of physical violence. Make no mistake. That's the
only reason we send in our taxes because if we don't,
they're gonna send people with guns eventually. So there's no
such thing as government money as long as I'm at
(26:07):
at there's one other thing there seems to be in
this discussion that's going on everywhere right now, some kind
of miscalculation or confusion or not understanding that the government
is not the country. Let me say that again. The
government is not the country. The government is simply a mechanism,
(26:31):
and it's completely out of control. Bureaucracies run independent of
anything of any controlled at all. All that's being rained
in right now. And now we have this shell game
that's being created of hundreds, if not thousands of nonprofits
and they're simply to steal money. And you got people
(26:55):
screaming about humanitarian aid. They're not gonna you can't do
this and people are gonna die. Yeah, except that maybe
ten percent, maybe twenty percent just sent to these agencies,
these nonprofits, these non governmental agency organizations, gets used for
the purported purpose and the rest disappears. Billions of dollars
(27:19):
just disappear. It's theft on a grand scale scale, on
a scale we can't even imagine. So just keep all
that in mind. I mean, look, the pendum's going to swing,
and I hope it swings way out really far because
when it comes back, maybe it won't come back as
far because the Democrats at some point will regain control
(27:42):
of Congress. That's just the nature of politics. Okay. I
mentioned as we went to the break that the ATF
may be folded into the FBI. That would be interesting.
And my point on that was, I would like to
see ATF completely gutted of all of its tactical units,
(28:05):
because there are paramilitary tactical units in ATF and they
like to do tactical things. Look, if you told a
pilot you can do high speed taxis all day long,
but you can't pull back on the yoke to make
the plane take off. Eventually he or she's going to
pull back on the yoak and take off. If you
(28:25):
train people to do dynamic entry and blow things up
and throw in flash banks and shoot people in their training,
eventually they're going to kick indoors and throw in flash
banks and shoot people. It's just going to happen. And
the ATF has a history now, a very long history
now of setting up scenarios so they get to shoot Americans.
(28:53):
Examples go all the way back to Waco. They said
that David Koresh had un registered machine guns David Koresh
would go on his runs every day by himself. Pretty
easy to roll up there and simply arrest him while
he's running. Oh no, no, no, no, we have to
(29:14):
roll up at a convoy and oh yeah, by the way,
ATF make sure that they have brought TV stations with
them to document this, so we're going to do shock
and awe. When he could have rolled up and said,
mister Koresh, could you step in the car here? Fast
forward to last year, actually a year ago, last Wednesday,
(29:36):
Little Rock, Arkansas. Ryan Melanowski. He was the head of
the airport in Little Rock, Arkansas. He was the highest
paid employee in Little Rock, and the ATF raided his
home at six o'clock in the morning, kicked in the door.
He probably thought this was an intruder. He fired a shot.
(29:58):
They killed him dead. He went to the office every day.
The ATF could have sent two agents over there with
an appointment, or just walked in and said we need
to speak to you, sir, and arrested him. If that's
what they chose to do. They didn't have to go
to his house at six o'clock in the morning kicking
(30:19):
the door and kill him. But that's what they train
on to. Rogue agency has been a rogue agency. Jack
booted fascist is what John Dingle called him, not incorrectly,
and there are many many more examples of that. So
(30:41):
get rid of that completely. Take all of that out
of the ATF, folded into the FBI, which doesn't have
a perfect record, no doubt about that. But we'll address
that as we go along. This is changing so quickly.
Let me just suggest if you want to follow this
more closely, follow me over on X or for me
(31:01):
to know, as Twitter, I am at gun Talk. I
put stories up there and links to what's going on
several times a day. So if you want your new
speed about the Second Amendment, follow me on X. My
number here is eight sixty six Talk Gun for me
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(31:24):
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Speaker 3 (33:59):
Here's one for you. If you're paying attention, you've seen
the news of this USAID and the tens of billions
of dollars that have been sent out to organizations, non
governmental organizations. But also this was interesting part government money,
(34:19):
which is your money, my money, our money, being siphoned
off and sent to media outlets to pay them to
carry the water for the Democrats, to pay them to
push the agenda of the Democrat Party, to pay them
and influence them to basically echo whatever is being called
(34:43):
for by the Democrats. Also, of course, some of that money.
Millions of dollars went to gun control groups in the
US us AID sent to gun control Your money, my money,
are hard earned dollars being used to push for restrictions
(35:10):
on our individual rights. Let me tie it together for you.
This is from way back in nineteen ninety five. Eric Holder,
Attorney Journal of the United States. He was talking to
a group about reducing gun related violence. And this is
(35:33):
what he said. This is the Attorney General. We just
have to be repetitive about this. It's not enough to
have a catchy ad on Monday and then only do
it every Monday. We have to do this every day
of the week. Just really brainwash people into thinking about
(35:56):
guns in a vastly different way. Brainwash people into thinking
about guns in a vastly different way. Put that statement,
Put that line of thinking together as from nineteen ninety
five with the USAID, billions of dollars spent and given
(36:19):
to gun control groups, gun band groups, and the media,
and you now have a way to brainwash people every
single day and be repetitive about it, and hit this
thing thousands and hundreds of thousands and millions of times
where people hear the term gun violence, gun violence, gun violence,
gun violence until they start using it without even thinking
(36:42):
about what it is. It's saying that other violence doesn't matter,
only violence that's done with a gun is important. Every
time you hear the phrase gun violence, if you even
think about terms that way, if you think about gun violence,
you have been brainwashed. You have been brainwashed and coerced
and manipulated into thinking that there actually is such a thing.
(37:07):
There's violence, and who cares what the tool is? Well,
you care if the goal is to ban guns. And
so you create a term like gun, buy its and
you get the media to repeat it ten billion times.
And you create a term like assault weapon, and you
pay the media to create it, to repeat it millions
(37:32):
of times, and eventually it really works. I mean, it's
like if you you know, advertise, it works. It's the
reason that people buy ads and buy commercials. And if
you can get the media to do it for you
without having to buy advertised you just give them the
money in the form of grants or whatever, or phony
(37:53):
subscriptions to highly inflated rates of special professional level subscriptions
basically money money launder, and give them a bunch of money.
They will carry the water for you, and they do
and the media repeats the gun baned litany the terms
they come up with, the phony studies they come up with,
(38:15):
more children in America are killed with guns than any
other means that's not true. It's never been true. It's
a lie. All the data says it's a lie, All
the research says it's a lie. But the media keeps
repeating it. Why they get tens of millions of dollars
to repeat it? Gun violence phony term? You've heard it
(38:40):
so often you think it's real. We all tend to.
You have to actually force yourself to break out and
go okay, that's brainwashing. That's Eric Holder in nineteen ninety
five saying we have to brainwash people against the gun.
And that's what Donald Trump and Doze are doing. They're
finding it and they're stamping it out. And they've only
just started happy two two three days. It's February twenty three,
(39:15):
two to three, two to three. Of course, the cartridge
caliber people call it cartridge how along with the five
five six that the M four AR fifteen's chambered for.
Where did it come from? What's the big deal? Is
it important? Yeah? I think it's one of the most
consequential cartridges ever created. A little bit later in the show,
(39:39):
we'll talk about two two three and five five six
and let me another question out there. Should everybody own
and they are just because if you do, why do
you own one? Oh oh, I got a question for you.
And you know we're told don't don't fire five five
six cartridge and a two two three rifle? Really, huh
(40:03):
do you do that? Okay, you're not supposed to, you know,
but as a disclaimer, don't do this. I do it.
I do it. It's a difference in pressure. The cartoons
are exactly the same dimensions, and when I look on
like Black Kills AMO on their website, the velosities with
the same bullets are the same, whether it's two two
(40:23):
three or five five six. If the velocities are the same,
the pressure is the same. I use them interchangeably. Oh, Tom,
you're not supposed to say that. Well, okay, fine, Hey,
just a little bit. We're gonna talk about what's wrong
with defensive firearms training, particularly a defensive handgun train. There's
a lot wrong with it, and why don't people get
(40:44):
it more. We can talk about that. Try to figure
that out. Got some ideas for you on that also,
I'm gonna talk to the guy who was the very
first person to say yes to gun talk radio. It
helped me get this thing started. By the way, did
you notice when I was talking about Eric Holder in
the last segment nineteen ninety five and he says, we
really need to brainwash people into thinking about guns in
(41:05):
a vastly different way. The year was nineteen ninety five,
the year before Congress had passed the Clinton gun Band,
the gun control, the so called assault weapons band. So
nineteen ninety five was when we started gun talk. When
I started gun talk, it was a crazy time. We
just had this massive gun control bill passed, supposedly a
(41:29):
gun ban, but it really wasn't. It was a ban
on standard capacity magazines, and it kind of got the
whole ball rolling on the assault weapon bands, if you will,
with the big air quotes around that, because we know
there's no such thing as an assault weapon. It's a
phony term, political term. But it got that whole ball
rolling and stayed after state has passed them. The Colorado
(41:50):
just passed the ban on semi automatic rifles, shotguns and pistols.
Spin on which models they are. They have some carve
outs there that make it extremely difficult, but the possible
for you to get your gun, the gun that you
are guaranteed access to by the United States Constitution. Yeah,
we'll see. It'll end up either in court or maybe hey, look,
(42:14):
last Friday, the Supreme Court had a conference to talk
about the Snops case. That's a state Maryland state gun
ban semi automatic so called assault weapon ban. Probably we'll
find out tomorrow on Monday whether the Supreme Court is
going to take this case. If they do, I think
(42:36):
they're going to end up saying no, States, you cannot
ban semi automatic firearms. They are protected under the Second Amendment.
If that happens, then all these other state laws probably
go away. It probably takes some work to get it done.
Or maybe Pam Bondy does something about it, or maybe
Cash Pattel, as the new acting director of ATF does
(42:57):
something about it, or maybe Donald Trump with an executive
order does something about it. We have options today that
we could not have imagined thirty years ago. The changes
I have seen in thirty years are astounding. Actually over
the last thirty days, if you will, hey, we'll we
come back. We're going to talk about what's wrong with
(43:19):
defensive handgun training and what you need to know. Also
a little bit more about the beginnings of gun talk radio.
Crazy stuff. I'm just having fun here and you can
join me eight six y six Talk Gun or call
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