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-- It looks different. It shoots great. Is Shell Shock ammunition the future? We fired 12,000 rounds in two days to find out.
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-- For those who don't like single action or lighter trigger pulls, the double action only pistol can be a great option.
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-- It looks different. It shoots great. Is Shell Shock ammunition the future? We fired 12,000 rounds in two days to find out.
-- It took three years for him to get his new rifle, but he sure is excited about it.
-- For those who don't like single action or lighter trigger pulls, the double action only pistol can be a great option.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
Hey, welcome back to Gun Talk, Tom Gresham. We're here
to call me right now at eight sixty six Talk
gun or Tom Talkgun. All right, we're down here at
Range Rady Studios. We've been talk about this for the
show because this has been such a fun deal. It
is an experience, one of the experienced things that Ryan
has put together, and we're working with Jacob Gray. Really
cool twenty eleven pistol. We got the Trigicon RMR. But
(00:35):
the AMMO we're shooting is something very different, and Rush
deal is with us. Now tell me about this crazy AMO,
because I mean, it looks different, it shoots different, it
is different. What is this?
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Well, we were fortunate enough to come up with a
patented two piece design that has some very unique property
easy and we were able to create something that the
casing itself is fifty percent lighter In a loaded ammal configuration,
it's up to thirty percent lighter.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
So is it aluminum?
Speaker 3 (01:06):
It's well, it's a combination of an aluminum base with
a nickel stainless steel alloy casing around it, and then
we developed a patent technology for connecting the two pieces
of metal together.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
But because of that, it also has.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
A unique shape which allows us to get a much
hotter round. Our velocities and our feet per second are
significantly more than brass.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Are you doing that through higher pressures?
Speaker 3 (01:32):
We're doing that through the amount of gunpowder and in
turn creating higher pressures.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Yes, okay, all right now is it shell Tech? Is
that the AMMO or is that the company which is great?
Speaker 3 (01:43):
So it's shell Tech is the ammal line. Shell Shock
Technologies is the corporate structure. So we started out in
twenty fifteen primarily in the commercial and military space, building
our custom cases, and in twenty twenty four we made
the decision to launch a direct consumer line that can
only be acquired through our website.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
And so it's just not availing gun stores or anything
like that.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
It's not no more retail factory direct.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Interesting, so what you pass along the savings that way?
Speaker 5 (02:13):
We do?
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Yeah, I mean it's a higher ammunition. We don't do
any plateloading and everything.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Playing with that is because people don't know what plateloading.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Is so plateloading is basically where you put a large
quantity of bases in a fixture and then.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Basically dump powder in it correct and hope that it
turns out to be the same in each case, which
it never does.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
That is so true.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
And then basically, you know, they're squeezing the rounds together
in mass. We're doing it one round at a time,
and then we're actually hand inspecting our rounds and hand
packing them to make sure that the quality and the
high end particulates of our ammunition are there.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Interesting, so it's a two piece case. It is lighter.
I mean it's not like a little bit lighter, it's
a lot lighter.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
It's a lot lighter. Yeah, it's very noticeable. I mean
just when you pick up the ammunition you'll notice it.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
But you know, you got.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Seventeen rounds in your pistol, you really can tell the difference.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Yes, yeah, and that's a nine millimeters, which is what
we're shooting at this event, right, you get up into
some of our larger rounds, you know, and you get
up into our seven six two case and loaded animal
that's coming out next month to the consumer market. And
then you get into our three three eight lapua in
our fifty BMG which is coming out at the end
(03:33):
of twenty twenty five to the civilian market. You know,
those are really really noticeable. I mean, when you think
about it, that's.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Got to be important on the military side, where they've
got heavy load outs and they're carrying a lot of ammal,
not just physically carrying on their bodies, but just everything
involved is shipping it and moving it around battlefields and.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
Everything it is.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Yeah, we actually just came out with a white paper
that we just put out in the industry talking about
that specific accept of subjects. I mean, because not only
is it the fatigue in the field and what it
means to the individual that's having the lug ammunition, whether
it's in training or in practical applications, but also what
the effect is on transportation on aircrafts. So when you
(04:16):
start to look at what the technology can really do,
you know, and there really hasn't been a game changer
in the ammunition world from brass to something new until
I think we hit the marketplace.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
It's funny I started to ask you a question and
I realized I have to change my verbiage because I
was going to say, well, there's the brass reloadable. It's
not brass, right. Are the cases reloadable?
Speaker 4 (04:41):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (04:41):
In the handgun ammunition, all of our cases are reloadable.
We offer dissets and the tools necessary to reload on
our website. The rifle rounds, currently we do not offer that,
but we're working on it. So at the higher pressures
and the technology, we want to make sure that we
get it right before we tell people that they can
(05:02):
reload your rifle rounds.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
At the end of the day, I was watching there's
a benefit of this that people may not have thought
of on the front end, and that is what it's
time to pick up your brass your cases. You can
go out there with a rolling magnet and pick it
all up, which you cannot do with brass cases.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
That is absolutely true.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Yeah, I watched the team do it yesterday after we
went through six thousand rounds on the range yesterday.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
So what kind of bullets are you loading the handgun AMMA.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
So in the handgun AMMO, right now we're loading in
the nine millimeters, specifically a one hundred and fifteen grain FMJ.
And then we're also got too self defense or home
defense rounds. One is a hollow point. The other one
is a very unique projectile. It's a copper polymer sixty
five grain and six sixty five grain. Yet, because of
(05:56):
the velocities that we're achieving, that sixty five grain is
coming out somewhere between one thousand, seven hundred and fifty
feet per second up to nineteen hundred feet.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Perc out of it, we're talking nine milimeters.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
Nine milimeter ca.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Yeah, what's that do in ballistic gelatin? I mean you're
getting penetration.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
We are getting penetration. Yeah, actually a phenomenal amount of it.
At the projectile is moving at such an incredible speed
that we are actually moving blocks around when it makes impact.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
All right, you were telling us in the class, you
know you have to buy this online. You're going direct,
but you have a subscription offer or a system.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
We do so not only can you buy direct, you know,
at one time purchases, but you can also sign up
for our subscription model and it allows you an additional
fifteen percent discount off of our ammunition. And then you
can kind of set your schedule where you want. You know,
you want a quantity every month, every two months, every
three months.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
It shows up.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
It just shows up and then you can log in,
pause it, move around.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
You're going to be out of the country for a
month and want applause things you can.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
So it's really built for you know, somebody.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Who is actively shooting on a regular basis and you know,
wants to have that little bit of extra.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Ammo interesting and occasionally you have like super duper sales
we do.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
Yeah, so we're running front We've got to be on
the list, right, you got to be on the list.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Yeah, you got to come in sign up, but put
your name on on our email list.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
But we're running promotions also letting people know.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
I mean, we've got a really long list of product
development things that are coming out over the next you know,
twelve eighteen months.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
We just launched our new apparel line.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
We're excited about that, and we've got a few other
surprises coming out.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Okay, obvious question here. I mean, do you see this
as the future of ammunition?
Speaker 4 (07:46):
I think we do.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Yeah, I mean the benefits are so substantial, and once
people actually shoot the ammo feel and see the accuracy
and they understand what it really is, I think that
you know, we are going to find it a really
major place in the industry.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Since you say that when they feel it, it's comfortable
to shoot.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Yeah, because of the weight configuration and how it's being loaded.
We have demonstrated less recoil.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
And going back to it makes the entire gun way
less it does with a full loadouts or what's the website?
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Website is Shellshock Technologies dot com.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Very cool, Ross, I appreciate it, man, it's been let's
been fun out here.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
Shooting with We've enjoyed it. Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
This is great. All right, we'll be right back with
more gun talk.
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Welcome back to gun talk. Hey, we are in fact
back eight to sixty six talk gun will get you
in here a tom talk gun. Either way, it works
for you. Let's say news, I got several new stories
for you. We're going to run through them very quickly.
Here at Supreme Court rule against us in a case
that the US Supreme Court in the Vanderstock case, it
(11:04):
ruled in favor of ATF's Biden era ghost gun kit ban.
Now there's not a law, it's a rule issued by
the ATF, and it wasn't actually as economic case. We'll
see where this ends up. I mean it's like, okay,
it's a Supreme Court, but other things can happen. I mean,
the ATF could actually rescind the rule and say, yeah, okay,
(11:28):
we were wrong and we're pulling that back. So we'll
see what happens there. In Virginia, Governor Younkan vetoed a
whole bunch of gun control all on, Like twenty six
bills hit his desk and he vetoed him signed two
of them that were mild and not too bad, but uh,
that was huge that the governor there vetoed all of
(11:51):
those bills. We also have a judge in New York's
first one to rule that it's okay to ban stun guns. Well,
the Supreme Court already ruled on this and said under
in the Catano case. They said stun guns fall under
the Second Amendment and cannot be banned. They're in common use.
(12:14):
So watch for this to be appealed and probably overturned.
Let's see here new civil rights investigation from the US
Department of Justice. They're going to look at Los Angeles
and the county's gun carry permitting process or concealed carry
permitting process. It's taking as much or more than a year,
(12:34):
and it's very expensive, and the United States Department of
Justice is going to look in that. Also, on the
good news side of things, remember that group Marched for
Our Lives, bunch of young people that were funded and
they went to DC and they marched and people somebody
was funding it to the tune of millions of dollars
and quite literally handing them thirty dollars each to go
(12:58):
buy their lunch thirty dollars cash. Well, March for Our
Lives is slashing its employees and appointing a new leader.
They're cutting thirteen of their sixteen full time staffers. Why
would they do that? Oh yeah, let's see. Trump is
getting rid of USAID and that four hundred billion dollars
(13:21):
slush fund had gone to NGOs, non governmental organizations, and
those organizations were pouring money into gun control groups in
the US. So the Democrat controlled administration was taking money
from you and putting your money into lobbying groups who
(13:45):
were trying to ban gun ownership. And now that that
money is drying up, the gun control groups are folding
left and right. Expect to see more of this as
we go along. All right, Going to the phones, Line five.
Joe's with us out of Jefferson, Texas. Joe, you're on
gun Talk. What's going on? Well?
Speaker 10 (14:06):
I want we give a shout out to Midway Usay.
I've been looking for thirty five Rimington ammunition and been
having a real hard time finding it.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Uh huh.
Speaker 10 (14:18):
I purchased two boxes this morning at thirty six dollars
a box.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Nice way to go.
Speaker 10 (14:23):
Yeah, that's what I thought.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Where are you shooting at in.
Speaker 10 (14:27):
More than three thirty six.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Nice had I had a buddy I used to hunt
with that had that rifle, shooting thirty five Remington and
he was some kind of bad on deer man. He
knew what he was doing.
Speaker 10 (14:41):
It will definitely knock him down. I've also got a
Remington Model eighty one that is chambered in thirty five Remington.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Very good. Now you're looking for something else.
Speaker 10 (14:50):
It looks like, yeah, I'm a desperate huh for two
eighty four Winchester.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Load of ammo.
Speaker 10 (14:58):
Yes, I've got dies, but I hadn't quite dipped my
feet into it yet.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Okay, I know where to go if.
Speaker 10 (15:05):
You will go to HM.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Okay, well that's where I was gonna send you. What's
the word? Do they not have it?
Speaker 10 (15:12):
They don't have any in stock. I sent them an
email kind of begging and bleeding and see what comes
up with that. But I, of course, you know, I
haven't had anything coming off the shelves.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
No, nobody's making it. HSM was the only company I
know that's loading to eighty four. They only do it occasionally.
It's a handloader's cartridge. Do you have any brass?
Speaker 10 (15:37):
I've got some of my dad's old brass. But it's
I can't tell you how many times it's been fired, Tom.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
I know how to take care of you. Look for
six five to eighty four cases, okay, because there's a
lot of that. Weirdly enough, the two eighty four got
popular as a six y five to eighty four wildcat
that then became a factory cartridge. But if you poke
around and look for six five two eighty four brass,
(16:07):
you'll find that, and then just run it through your
two eighty four dies.
Speaker 11 (16:12):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Probably not a bad idea to buy a tapered expanderball
for your die, and now you're good to go. Just
run it up in there. You'll lube that case neck
and it'll expand the neck and you can ye. I mean,
now you got two eighty four again.
Speaker 10 (16:28):
Fantastic. I didn't know that. I appreciate the information. Tom.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
There you go. Us two eighty four shooters have to
stick together many. Thank you for the call. I appreciate that. Yeah,
it's one of those weird interesting deals. The two eighty
four Winchester cartridge brought out what forty five years ago
something like that was popular for a while, but not
real popular. It kind of went down and nobody paid
(16:52):
the attention to it, and then the target shooters looked
at it and said, well, what if we neck that
down to six five? And they did, and then it
became a very popular target round for long range shooting.
But then they said, well, this burns out barrels quickly.
What if we took wait for it, now, what if
we took the six five two eighty four and we
(17:12):
necked it up to seven millimeter? You know what that is.
That's a two eighty four Winchester. They are necking it
up and making it the original cartridge and winning competitions
with Now the two eighty four. Now, nobody, to my
knowledge other than HSM is loading two eighty four Winchester
(17:33):
factory Ambo. It's pretty much it's just a handler's cartridge.
But it's really good. It was so far ahead of
its time. You know, there's a downside to be in
the head of everybody else. So yeah, and yeah, you
can go to ambosek dot com and look for two
eighty four AMBO. Good luck, You're not gonna find much
over there. I guarantee you. Hey, did we end up
(17:55):
getting marked back in here? Guys? Okay, good deal. Let's
grab Mark in Alton, Illinois, mark your own gun. Talk.
What's up?
Speaker 12 (18:02):
Hey, real good, it's not funny story. You're talking about
your favorite guns and stuff. When I was a kid,
my dad gave me a Stevens four to ten. We
used to shoot high brass and squirrels and we go
out hunt some mushrooms and get a few squirrel and
go back and fix them up. And now that I'm older,
I realize I think we're kind of poaching those scrolls
because I don't think squirrel season was in very much.
(18:27):
But it was fun at the time. Hey, how can
I tell how old my Winchester Model seventy is? There's
a pre sixty four? Some wasn't there on those?
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Yeah, there's a pre sixty four. There are a number
of websites if you just go look up Winchester Model
seventy serial number list, just literally type that in. You'll
get several sites that list where your serial number is
and what years made.
Speaker 13 (18:52):
Okay, you know what.
Speaker 12 (18:53):
When I first fought again three hundred win back, I
was like, oh man, this is gonna be a mule
and I shot. I was like, hey, dad, now let's get.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Up exactly you kind of get over it, don't you say? Okay, yeah,
it didn't hurt. I guess I need to pay attention
to actually shoot it now.
Speaker 12 (19:08):
Yeah. Well I shot the first it was like three
or four inches high, and then I just okay, that
wasn't bad. As like a twelve gates going off, and
I put the sec one right in and I was like, yep,
this is a shooter, baby.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
The three hundred Win mag is probably one of the
very best hunting cartridges ever made. And as long as
the recoil doesn't bother you, because it's kind of a
sharp little smack you if you could shoot it, man,
it's a great cartridge.
Speaker 12 (19:32):
Hey, another thing, real quick. I was at the Oxy
a couple of weeks ago and they had a I've
always wanted a Ruger single six convertible, and I didn't
really know what I was getting. I looked at the
gun before in the case and stuff. It looked good.
But it's a new model.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
But it's still not.
Speaker 12 (19:47):
Man, what a plinker.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
There are some really great guns out here. Look, I
got a run. I got to pick up Edwin and
out of broken Arrow, Oklahoma, Hey, Edwin, what you got?
Speaker 14 (20:00):
Yeah? The guy that called in last hour asking about
a DASA hammer fired gun that he could cross draw, right,
I'm thinking, and since he's already owned some PX four storms,
so they have a compact model with a three point
two seven inch barrel.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Yes, I was thinking of that long, that's the one
I was thinking of, and he kind of dismissed it.
Maybe maybe he didn't catch that was actually talking about
the combat. That ought to be exactly what he's looking for,
don't you think.
Speaker 14 (20:29):
Yeah, and for an extra sixty bucks, you can buy
a replacement for the de Cocker slash safety that turns
it into his decocker only, so it'd.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Be just like a sig Oh okay, interesting. I mean,
if you want to go that way, fortunately, you know
they will accommodate you. So, so, what's your favorite carry gun?
Speaker 14 (20:50):
Right now? I've got a six P two thirty and
a Cannick MC nine.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Tell me about the Cannic. I hear good things about it.
Speaker 14 (21:01):
I haven't really shot it much, but I'll tell you
I have an early model, I think just before they
worked out the problem with the mag sticking, so I
think I got to, you know, kind of play with
it a little bit. But yeah, huh interesting. Okay, yeah, hey,
you're going to be at the Watermaker's next week.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
I am not. I wish I was. You know the
problem with me, if I go to the big Tulsa
gun show, the Watermaker Show, it's going to cost me
a ton of money. Unfortunately, I can spend money without
going there, So I think I'm going to be passing
on that one. But I am going to go pick
up a new rifle this week, so I appreciate that. Yeah. Uh,
that's a great and if anybody else wants to go,
the one Wannamaker gun show in Tulsa is the mother
(21:44):
of all gun shows. If you can't find it there,
it probably doesn't exist. I mean you'll find people that
have a table where all the guns on them are
thirty thousand dollars each or more or a lot more.
And then you'll find a bunch of caltechs know or
you know high Point, So you never know what you're
gonna find there. It's a great place. Just understand that
(22:06):
when you go, it's it's gonna cost you money. It's
sure it does me. There's another a couple of questions
about the double action single action pistols. So we're gonna
be talking about that with a couple of callers. Here.
(22:27):
Another option out there, it occurs to me, is a
double action only trigger pool on a semi auto pistol.
That means you basically get the heavier ten to twelve
pounds double action trigger pool every time. It never goes
to a single action. And I know people going, why
would you do that? Well, it kind of works the
same as a double action revolver, and with a little
(22:49):
bit of practice, it's amazing how good you can get
with that, and you can shoot them very well. So
if you were a person who was concerned about having
a lighter trigger pool for the first trigger pool and
you want that double action and single action because of that,
this might be a way to go too, is take
a look at something that's a double action only a
DAO trigger poll on semi auto. I used to have
(23:12):
a Smith and Wesson thirty nine fifty three I think
it was, and that was a DA only nice gun,
really nice gun. Anyway, we've got people that want to
talk about such things. Line three. Allen's with us out
of Virginia. Hey, Alan, which one are you recommended?
Speaker 15 (23:29):
Well?
Speaker 13 (23:29):
I was thinking the HK series, the P two thousand
SK would probably fall right in what he's looking for.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
So what's the trigger pool like on that one?
Speaker 13 (23:40):
I honestly don't know. I have some of the USP
family and the triggers are very nice with a good
single action double action trigger, but I don't have the
SK personally. But looking for something that would fit his needs,
that was one that came to mind.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
It looks like I'm looking at it one. The P
two thousand SK looks like you can have it like
a seven to eight pound trigger pull, or even a
twelve pound if I'm reasoning, I'm reading quickly on this
certainly a possibility. Yeah, the s HK P two thousand
SK there you go, certainly worth of Looky, Alan, do
(24:21):
you have any you hat SK R HK yourself?
Speaker 13 (24:25):
I have several, Yes, definitely a fan boy.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
They are really well made, aren't they They are?
Speaker 13 (24:33):
Indeed, Yeah, I have transitioned from the USB and forty
five to the VP nine and nine millimeter, but I
still like them all.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
I when I got here this week, Ryan says, you
got to go shoot the HK CC nine and I
had not shot that before, so I grabbed it out
of the gun room and went out and shot it
at the range. I like it. I mean it's kind
of a sick P three sixty five SI type gun,
but shoots really well. I mean I've never shot an
HK that didn't you.
Speaker 13 (25:04):
Well, yeah, they tend to be pretty good.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
They really do. All right, Well, thank you for that.
That's an interesting observation. The P two thousand SK as
a possibility. Randy's got a thought on that online four
out of Springfield, Missouri. Hey, Randy, you're up next.
Speaker 11 (25:21):
Well, my question is I'm sending in my NRA ballot
for border directors a little bit late, and I need
the two ride in candidate state and city, and I.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Don't know them.
Speaker 11 (25:39):
Okay, Well, you'd give them out several times before, and
I never was able to write them down.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Yeah. Yeah, I did not give out because I've never
known what see or state they're from the writing candidates.
I just don't have that information. And I most certainly
cannot explain that proposed amendment. It's just and I don't
have it in front of me. And I apologize not
having that with me right now, but I just I
don't have it in front of me, So I don't
think I could get into that Randy. Again, I apologize
(26:06):
for not knowing about but I appreciate the call, sir. Yeah,
and if you haven't sent in your ballot, you're right
up against it right now. It's from a time standpoint,
there you go. We will be talking with the folks
from NRA at the NRA Annual Meetings where is that
three weeks from now something like that going to be
in Atlanta. If you've never been to it, let me
(26:27):
recommend that you go because the NRA Annual Meeting is, yeah,
they meet, they've got classes and stuff, but that's really
not what it's about for me. It's they got a
huge exhibition hall, kind of like the Shot Show. Let's see.
That would be April twenty four to twenty five, twenty
six right in there, or actually maybe twenty five, twenty six,
(26:47):
twenty seven. You can go on the inn our website
and take a look at it's in Atlanta. It's really
something else. And they do have, of course, a lot
of instructional seminars and then they have some events and
concerts at night. So if you're in the area, if
you're in that part of the country and you want
(27:08):
to zip over to Atlanta, we're gonna be there. I'm
gonna be doing the show a lot, or actually I
say live. We're gonna have to do it recorded and
then it'll be aired on Sunday because we've got to
get out of there before Sunday. So we'll be doing
that show there and you can drop by and see us,
and Ryan's gonna be there. We'll have some other folks
from the gun Talk world there as well, so there's that.
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Tell you what we are open lines. If there's a
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Speaker 2 (30:06):
I have a question for you. If you have a
self defense gun, probably a carry gun and sometimes that
doubles as your housegun to and we talk about have
you shot enough AMMO through it to know that it's
going to work, it's going to function, that it's reliable.
Have you done the same thing with your chosen self
(30:28):
defense life saving ammo? That is, do you know that
your AMMO will run in your gun? We experience an
I thing this past week where a particular kind of
AMMO in a particular magazine and a particular gun. What's
a bad combination? We use Different ammo work just fine
if you haven't. And look, you can go out and
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shoot practice amo all you want and it runs. But
your choice of defensive AMMO may or may not feed correctly,
may or may not eject well, It may or may
not work well. And then if you want to go
one step further, this becomes very interesting. Have you ever
tested the terminal ballistics of your carry ammo? Have you
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shot them into water jugs? Have you shot them into
any kind of ballistic medium to see what they do?
And I know we're getting into the gun geekery thing.
It's gonna be gun nerds here, but you aren't bet
in your life on this thing, and you need I
would offer that you need to know that this stuff
is going to work. One other thought here, and it
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comes out of doing this class this week where we're
shooting very accurate guns, and I was thinking about the
need for accuracy you may have to make and look,
this is gonna get it gets graphic, and it's just
what it is, the reality of it. At some point,
it's a possibility you may need to make a head
shot to stop an attacker. Could be a hosted situation,
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could be somebody behind the barricade, could be somebody who's
wearing body armor. That happens more and more now and
your shots to the center of mass are not impressing
him a lot, and you have to make a headshot.
Headshot is about the size maybe the size of a
playing card. There you go, that's good, a good analogy.
I think a playing card is perfect horizontal playing card.
(32:22):
Get your cheap pack of playing cards, you go out
to the range and put them up. Can you put
all your shots in that at fifteen feet? That's reasonable?
If you can't, would suggest something needs to change. Different gun,
different ammo, different U. Probably the latter. It's about ninety
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eight percent of it. It's the person pulled the trigger
that's the problem. If you can't put all your shots
into a playing card at fifteen feet, I think we've
got a problem. No time limit, not trying to rush you,
just take your time, put it all in there. Just
a thought for you. Throw it out there for your consideration.
Let's grabbed Dean online one out of California. Hey Dean,
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what's on your mind?
Speaker 10 (33:08):
Hey?
Speaker 15 (33:08):
Tom got a got a consideration for the double action
single action pistol okay uh cz rammy r E M. I. Yeah,
and a friend of mine got one. He likes it,
but it does have a pretty stiff slide on it,
so I thought that might be something he might want
to check out.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Yes, Cze and I think CZ maybe getting away from
the DASA guns. So if you want one of those,
you may want to grab one before you know they're gone,
or you'd be buying on the use front there. I
think you had a comment about the shallow sharps rifle.
Speaker 15 (33:43):
Also, yeah, as in Big Timber about three years ago,
and went a little gun store there and they called
me and I should get my quiggly sharps in bout
the end of May.
Speaker 10 (33:58):
Three year.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
Wait, I just gonna say three years for the best
of your gun for you.
Speaker 15 (34:04):
Yeah, they said seventeen months, and then it was twenty two,
and then I thought they forgot about me, but they
called me a couple of days ago, and my initials
in gold will be on the right side and a
standing bowl buffalo will be on the left.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
In seventy That is a lifetime gun, isn't it?
Speaker 10 (34:23):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (34:24):
It is.
Speaker 13 (34:25):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (34:26):
What caliber did you get? Oh?
Speaker 15 (34:28):
Forty five? Seventy okay? And the movie Quickly down Under
they made three of them for it. But as you know,
that one was in forty five one ten, and I
thought about getting that, but it seemed like it's more
of a headache to load, and I'm just punching paper,
so I don't you know.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Yeah, you could buy four everywhere. Yeah, that's gonna be.
So this is not a collector. You're actually going to
shoot it, right?
Speaker 15 (34:50):
Oh yeah, I'm going to shoot it when I get it.
I'll leave meail you a picture.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
What barrel length did you get?
Speaker 15 (34:59):
Oh?
Speaker 10 (35:00):
Whatever?
Speaker 15 (35:00):
The was it thirty two or thirty four?
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Oh? Man, you got the long barrel. That thing is
gonna be so heavy, it's gonna be so much fun
to shoot.
Speaker 15 (35:11):
Yep, and they got the Vernier California sisner.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Yeah yeah, we're burnier side. That's just gonna be so
much fun. Well, yeah, absolutely, all right, Now you have
a homework assignment. Once you get it and you shoot it,
you got to call us back and give us a
full range report on that. Okay, Oh, I will, I will. Cool.
That's very good. Well, congrats, you have a great day.
(35:38):
You two three years. Holy cow.
Speaker 5 (35:41):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Let's see Michael's out of Centennial, Colorado. He's got a
thought on this double action single action thing. Michael, what
are you thinking?
Speaker 17 (35:49):
Well, I don't know if you're familiar with the Chiappa
Rhino chai.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Ah, yeah, yes, yes I am. That is one weird
goofy thing, isn't it.
Speaker 17 (35:58):
But I tell you, if you ever carry one. The
cylinders are flat sided, and the hand grip is very
small because they've flipped the barrel and the ramp, so
the barrels below where you normally think it is right,
and so the recoil is considerably less.
Speaker 10 (36:15):
But I just I just love them.
Speaker 18 (36:17):
My daughter I got her one, and I have one,
and they're they're just wonderful guns to shoot. But yeah,
they're a little they're a little funny looking, but they're
wonderful to carry.
Speaker 10 (36:27):
They tell you that.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
Well, let me explain for people where they're thinking, what
are you talking about? The In a regular revolver, the
chamber rotates to the top. The one that's firing is
at the top of the cylinder. In the Chiapa, it
fires the cylinder or the chamber that's at the bottom
of the cylinder.
Speaker 17 (36:47):
Am I right, Well I don't huh, Yeah, the top,
it's just configured different. Oh okay, that kind of threw
me for a loop. I'm gonna I'm gonna have to.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
Reach it green for some reason. And again you could
tell I'm not on one for some reason. I was
thinking fired from the bottom. Maybe not, but yeah, it's
it's the recoil comes more straight back into your hand,
so you don't get muscle rise out of it, so
it's more comfortable to shooting it. Did you get three
fifty seven? I did?
Speaker 6 (37:18):
I did.
Speaker 18 (37:18):
But it comes with the clips so you can put
thirty eighth in it as well.
Speaker 17 (37:21):
That just changed out the clips in the cylinder.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
I'll be darn. Okay, well, there you go. Vote for
the Chiapa Rhino revolver. There you go. I appreciate that, sir.
You know, and if you really interesting thought. We had
a caller earlier, if you didn't catch it, he was
saying he wanted a double action, single action semiato. That
way you get the heavy trigger pull at first and
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then the lighter trigger pull after that, because he has
a hand trimmer and he doesn't want to kind of
like accidentally stumble into a lighter trigger. Okay, great, I
get that. That's fine, but let me throw this thought out.
Why not just a double action revolver. I mean, yeah,
you can always shoot single action, but for self defense,
and in case you don't know, using a revolver for
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self defense, I would recommend, and all the experts recommend,
never cocking the hammer. Not shooting at single action, shooting
at double action. Now you got a nice twelve pounds
trigger pool, very controllable. You just learn to shoot it.
You're not going to stumble into it. Because when once
you cock the hammer on a double action revolver, you're
looking at a pound and a half two pounds to
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set it off, and then a high stress situation, you
could easily fire that gun when you didn't intend to,
which could be horrific. But shooting a double action trigger
pool on a revolver is fun and you can master it.
Here's how works. Put your finger in that trigger all
the way to that first knuckle and sweep that thing.
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Don't try to time it. Just start from beginning to
end in one pool is sweep it back, sweep it back,
sweep it back. That will get you on target. They
are so much fun to shoot. I've been a great week.
(39:12):
I've been having so much fun over here at Range
Bred Studios. I was here for the experience class with
the Jacob Gray folks and we got to shoot Jacob
Gray pistols and had trench cut armar optics on it
and shoot this incredible AMMO. It was just great fun
and meet some interesting people and I learned some things
(39:34):
about double stack nineteen elevens. I had shot some a
little bit back in the day. I had pair ordnance
double stacks, but those were forty five. I shot him
a little bit, carried him a little bit. But they're
different now and it's a different level of quality that
Jacob Gray just smoothed. If you remember what a sewing
machine was like. We used to say it runs like
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a finely tuned sewing machine. Well it does, and super accurate,
easy to shoot. Grip's a little bit big, Well they bigger,
have to be bigger. It's double stack. Okay. I keep
waiting for somebody to make a little bit smaller grip
when I don't know that that's ever gonna happen. Maybe
it's just an impossibility. I don't know. Would it be
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my carry gun, No, it would not be, not for me.
Could I do it? Yeah? I could. Would I feel
comfortable with it? Yeah, after putting a bunch of rounds
through it, I would, And Lord knows I would feel
comfortable about hitting my target with it.
Speaker 12 (40:30):
It was.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
It was stupid. It got to be easy to hit
with it. It got to be really easy to play
shots with it because of the fabulous trigger. I mean, yeah,
the gun's got to be accurate anyway, but it's got
this great trigger in it. So anyway, it was great fun.
Had a lot of fun here, And congratulations to all
the folks who made it into the class. You know
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there weren't that many. These classes are small. Maybe that's
one of the reasons that people like them so much.
I mean it's fourteen to fifteen people maybe in each class,
and then a lot of times for these experienced classes
will add two to four media people in there. So
you're getting to rub shoulders with the people who write
the stories or do the YouTube videos about guns, and
(41:14):
that's kind of a fun thing as well, thinking about
I mean, I'm picking up this rifle. I just bought
another used rifle, another Ultra light arms rifle, this one
in two fifty seven Roberts actually improved. Yes, it makes
no sense. I like goofy cartridges. I like older cartes.
I like the cartridges that have some history. My mother
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had a two fifty seven Roberts rifle. It was the
first center fire rifle I ever shot. For me, it
has a lot of meaning and I love shooting them.
They're low recoil and very effective for antelope, for deer, mule, deer,
even elk if you had the right bullet. We'll see
what this one does. I mean, it'll be like every
other ultra light arms rifle that Melvin Forbes ever made.
(42:01):
It'll shoot great. It will be lightweight, probably five pounds
five to two without a scope, so I'll give you
some reports on that. It's a handloader's cartridge. I like
handler I like the process. In summer's coming, the snow's
melting in Idaho. I'll be able to get to the
range here before too long and start working on working
(42:22):
up loads. I guess you know we talk about all
these different things. I don't care if you're shooting shotguns
or pistols or rifles. You can attack it at any
level you want. You can say I just want to
go out and shoot now, and then I just want
to carry a gun, or you can get deeply into it.
It is one of the things that's great. I would
(42:43):
encourage you to do it with friends. It's just simply
more fun. You will get more out of it. You
will start shooting more, you will learn more, and then
maybe take a class. You don't have to come down here.
You can go to a gun site, thunder ranch, anywhere.
You can go to the local range. You can take
classes wherever you are. You will learn things. Go to
multiple instructors because each one's going to have something different
(43:04):
to teach you. And if you go into the right place,
you'll have fun doing it as well. The only thing
I would suggest is be discerning about safety, Watch other
people in your class, watch the instructor, make sure that
everything is safe, that you're comfortable with what they're doing.
If it's not safe, If you're not comfortable, fail inject,
(43:25):
get out of there okay. In the meantime, carry, always
watch your six, take people with you to the range,
and by all means and most of all, have fun
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
Hey, welcome back to Gun Talk, Tom Gresham. We're here
to call me right now at eight sixty six Talk
gun or Tom Talkgun. All right, we're down here at
Range Rady Studios. We've been talk about this for the
show because this has been such a fun deal. It
is an experience, one of the experienced things that Ryan
has put together, and we're working with Jacob Gray. Really
cool twenty eleven pistol. We got the Trigicon RMR. But
(00:35):
the AMMO we're shooting is something very different, and Rush
deal is with us. Now tell me about this crazy AMO,
because I mean, it looks different, it shoots different, it
is different. What is this?
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Well, we were fortunate enough to come up with a
patented two piece design that has some very unique property
easy and we were able to create something that the
casing itself is fifty percent lighter In a loaded ammal configuration,
it's up to thirty percent lighter.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
So is it aluminum?
Speaker 3 (01:06):
It's well, it's a combination of an aluminum base with
a nickel stainless steel alloy casing around it, and then
we developed a patent technology for connecting the two pieces
of metal together.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
But because of that, it also has.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
A unique shape which allows us to get a much
hotter round. Our velocities and our feet per second are
significantly more than brass.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Are you doing that through higher pressures?
Speaker 3 (01:32):
We're doing that through the amount of gunpowder and in
turn creating higher pressures.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Yes, okay, all right now is it shell Tech? Is
that the AMMO or is that the company which is great?
Speaker 3 (01:43):
So it's shell Tech is the ammal line. Shell Shock
Technologies is the corporate structure. So we started out in
twenty fifteen primarily in the commercial and military space, building
our custom cases, and in twenty twenty four we made
the decision to launch a direct consumer line that can
only be acquired through our website.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
And so it's just not availing gun stores or anything
like that.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
It's not no more retail factory direct.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Interesting, so what you pass along the savings that way?
Speaker 5 (02:13):
We do?
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Yeah, I mean it's a higher ammunition. We don't do
any plateloading and everything.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Playing with that is because people don't know what plateloading.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Is so plateloading is basically where you put a large
quantity of bases in a fixture and then.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Basically dump powder in it correct and hope that it
turns out to be the same in each case, which
it never does.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
That is so true.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
And then basically, you know, they're squeezing the rounds together
in mass. We're doing it one round at a time,
and then we're actually hand inspecting our rounds and hand
packing them to make sure that the quality and the
high end particulates of our ammunition are there.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Interesting, so it's a two piece case. It is lighter.
I mean it's not like a little bit lighter, it's
a lot lighter.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
It's a lot lighter. Yeah, it's very noticeable. I mean
just when you pick up the ammunition you'll notice it.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
But you know, you got.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Seventeen rounds in your pistol, you really can tell the difference.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Yes, yeah, and that's a nine millimeters, which is what
we're shooting at this event, right, you get up into
some of our larger rounds, you know, and you get
up into our seven six two case and loaded animal
that's coming out next month to the consumer market. And
then you get into our three three eight lapua in
our fifty BMG which is coming out at the end
(03:33):
of twenty twenty five to the civilian market. You know,
those are really really noticeable. I mean, when you think
about it, that's.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Got to be important on the military side, where they've
got heavy load outs and they're carrying a lot of ammal,
not just physically carrying on their bodies, but just everything
involved is shipping it and moving it around battlefields and.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
Everything it is.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Yeah, we actually just came out with a white paper
that we just put out in the industry talking about
that specific accept of subjects. I mean, because not only
is it the fatigue in the field and what it
means to the individual that's having the lug ammunition, whether
it's in training or in practical applications, but also what
the effect is on transportation on aircrafts. So when you
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start to look at what the technology can really do,
you know, and there really hasn't been a game changer
in the ammunition world from brass to something new until
I think we hit the marketplace.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
It's funny I started to ask you a question and
I realized I have to change my verbiage because I
was going to say, well, there's the brass reloadable. It's
not brass, right. Are the cases reloadable?
Speaker 4 (04:41):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (04:41):
In the handgun ammunition, all of our cases are reloadable.
We offer dissets and the tools necessary to reload on
our website. The rifle rounds, currently we do not offer that,
but we're working on it. So at the higher pressures
and the technology, we want to make sure that we
get it right before we tell people that they can
(05:02):
reload your rifle rounds.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
At the end of the day, I was watching there's
a benefit of this that people may not have thought
of on the front end, and that is what it's
time to pick up your brass your cases. You can
go out there with a rolling magnet and pick it
all up, which you cannot do with brass cases.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
That is absolutely true.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Yeah, I watched the team do it yesterday after we
went through six thousand rounds on the range yesterday.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
So what kind of bullets are you loading the handgun AMMA.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
So in the handgun AMMO, right now we're loading in
the nine millimeters, specifically a one hundred and fifteen grain FMJ.
And then we're also got too self defense or home
defense rounds. One is a hollow point. The other one
is a very unique projectile. It's a copper polymer sixty
five grain and six sixty five grain. Yet, because of
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the velocities that we're achieving, that sixty five grain is
coming out somewhere between one thousand, seven hundred and fifty
feet per second up to nineteen hundred feet.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Perc out of it, we're talking nine milimeters.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
Nine milimeter ca.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Yeah, what's that do in ballistic gelatin? I mean you're
getting penetration.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
We are getting penetration. Yeah, actually a phenomenal amount of it.
At the projectile is moving at such an incredible speed
that we are actually moving blocks around when it makes impact.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
All right, you were telling us in the class, you
know you have to buy this online. You're going direct,
but you have a subscription offer or a system.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
We do so not only can you buy direct, you know,
at one time purchases, but you can also sign up
for our subscription model and it allows you an additional
fifteen percent discount off of our ammunition. And then you
can kind of set your schedule where you want. You know,
you want a quantity every month, every two months, every
three months.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
It shows up.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
It just shows up and then you can log in,
pause it, move around.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
You're going to be out of the country for a
month and want applause things you can.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
So it's really built for you know, somebody.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Who is actively shooting on a regular basis and you know,
wants to have that little bit of extra.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Ammo interesting and occasionally you have like super duper sales
we do.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
Yeah, so we're running front We've got to be on
the list, right, you got to be on the list.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Yeah, you got to come in sign up, but put
your name on on our email list.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
But we're running promotions also letting people know.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
I mean, we've got a really long list of product
development things that are coming out over the next you know,
twelve eighteen months.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
We just launched our new apparel line.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
We're excited about that, and we've got a few other
surprises coming out.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Okay, obvious question here. I mean, do you see this
as the future of ammunition?
Speaker 4 (07:46):
I think we do.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Yeah, I mean the benefits are so substantial, and once
people actually shoot the ammo feel and see the accuracy
and they understand what it really is, I think that
you know, we are going to find it a really
major place in the industry.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Since you say that when they feel it, it's comfortable
to shoot.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Yeah, because of the weight configuration and how it's being loaded.
We have demonstrated less recoil.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
And going back to it makes the entire gun way
less it does with a full loadouts or what's the website?
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Shooting with We've enjoyed it. Thank you so much.
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Welcome back to gun talk. Hey, we are in fact
back eight to sixty six talk gun will get you
in here a tom talk gun. Either way, it works
for you. Let's say news, I got several new stories
for you. We're going to run through them very quickly.
Here at Supreme Court rule against us in a case
that the US Supreme Court in the Vanderstock case, it
(11:04):
ruled in favor of ATF's Biden era ghost gun kit ban.
Now there's not a law, it's a rule issued by
the ATF, and it wasn't actually as economic case. We'll
see where this ends up. I mean it's like, okay,
it's a Supreme Court, but other things can happen. I mean,
the ATF could actually rescind the rule and say, yeah, okay,
(11:28):
we were wrong and we're pulling that back. So we'll
see what happens there. In Virginia, Governor Younkan vetoed a
whole bunch of gun control all on, Like twenty six
bills hit his desk and he vetoed him signed two
of them that were mild and not too bad, but uh,
that was huge that the governor there vetoed all of
(11:51):
those bills. We also have a judge in New York's
first one to rule that it's okay to ban stun guns. Well,
the Supreme Court already ruled on this and said under
in the Catano case. They said stun guns fall under
the Second Amendment and cannot be banned. They're in common use.
(12:14):
So watch for this to be appealed and probably overturned.
Let's see here new civil rights investigation from the US
Department of Justice. They're going to look at Los Angeles
and the county's gun carry permitting process or concealed carry
permitting process. It's taking as much or more than a year,
(12:34):
and it's very expensive, and the United States Department of
Justice is going to look in that. Also, on the
good news side of things, remember that group Marched for
Our Lives, bunch of young people that were funded and
they went to DC and they marched and people somebody
was funding it to the tune of millions of dollars
and quite literally handing them thirty dollars each to go
(12:58):
buy their lunch thirty dollars cash. Well, March for Our
Lives is slashing its employees and appointing a new leader.
They're cutting thirteen of their sixteen full time staffers. Why
would they do that? Oh yeah, let's see. Trump is
getting rid of USAID and that four hundred billion dollars
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slush fund had gone to NGOs, non governmental organizations, and
those organizations were pouring money into gun control groups in
the US. So the Democrat controlled administration was taking money
from you and putting your money into lobbying groups who
(13:45):
were trying to ban gun ownership. And now that that
money is drying up, the gun control groups are folding
left and right. Expect to see more of this as
we go along. All right, Going to the phones, Line five.
Joe's with us out of Jefferson, Texas. Joe, you're on
gun Talk. What's going on? Well?
Speaker 10 (14:06):
I want we give a shout out to Midway Usay.
I've been looking for thirty five Rimington ammunition and been
having a real hard time finding it.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Uh huh.
Speaker 10 (14:18):
I purchased two boxes this morning at thirty six dollars
a box.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Nice way to go.
Speaker 10 (14:23):
Yeah, that's what I thought.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Where are you shooting at in.
Speaker 10 (14:27):
More than three thirty six.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Nice had I had a buddy I used to hunt
with that had that rifle, shooting thirty five Remington and
he was some kind of bad on deer man. He
knew what he was doing.
Speaker 10 (14:41):
It will definitely knock him down. I've also got a
Remington Model eighty one that is chambered in thirty five Remington.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Very good. Now you're looking for something else.
Speaker 10 (14:50):
It looks like, yeah, I'm a desperate huh for two
eighty four Winchester.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Load of ammo.
Speaker 10 (14:58):
Yes, I've got dies, but I hadn't quite dipped my
feet into it yet.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Okay, I know where to go if.
Speaker 10 (15:05):
You will go to HM.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Okay, well that's where I was gonna send you. What's
the word? Do they not have it?
Speaker 10 (15:12):
They don't have any in stock. I sent them an
email kind of begging and bleeding and see what comes
up with that. But I, of course, you know, I
haven't had anything coming off the shelves.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
No, nobody's making it. HSM was the only company I
know that's loading to eighty four. They only do it occasionally.
It's a handloader's cartridge. Do you have any brass?
Speaker 10 (15:37):
I've got some of my dad's old brass. But it's
I can't tell you how many times it's been fired, Tom.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
I know how to take care of you. Look for
six five to eighty four cases, okay, because there's a
lot of that. Weirdly enough, the two eighty four got
popular as a six y five to eighty four wildcat
that then became a factory cartridge. But if you poke
around and look for six five two eighty four brass,
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you'll find that, and then just run it through your
two eighty four dies.
Speaker 11 (16:12):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Probably not a bad idea to buy a tapered expanderball
for your die, and now you're good to go. Just
run it up in there. You'll lube that case neck
and it'll expand the neck and you can ye. I mean,
now you got two eighty four again.
Speaker 10 (16:28):
Fantastic. I didn't know that. I appreciate the information. Tom.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
There you go. Us two eighty four shooters have to
stick together many. Thank you for the call. I appreciate that. Yeah,
it's one of those weird interesting deals. The two eighty
four Winchester cartridge brought out what forty five years ago
something like that was popular for a while, but not
real popular. It kind of went down and nobody paid
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the attention to it, and then the target shooters looked
at it and said, well, what if we neck that
down to six five? And they did, and then it
became a very popular target round for long range shooting.
But then they said, well, this burns out barrels quickly.
What if we took wait for it, now, what if
we took the six five two eighty four and we
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necked it up to seven millimeter? You know what that is.
That's a two eighty four Winchester. They are necking it
up and making it the original cartridge and winning competitions
with Now the two eighty four. Now, nobody, to my
knowledge other than HSM is loading two eighty four Winchester
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factory Ambo. It's pretty much it's just a handler's cartridge.
But it's really good. It was so far ahead of
its time. You know, there's a downside to be in
the head of everybody else. So yeah, and yeah, you
can go to ambosek dot com and look for two
eighty four AMBO. Good luck, You're not gonna find much
over there. I guarantee you. Hey, did we end up
(17:55):
getting marked back in here? Guys? Okay, good deal. Let's
grab Mark in Alton, Illinois, mark your own gun. Talk.
What's up?
Speaker 12 (18:02):
Hey, real good, it's not funny story. You're talking about
your favorite guns and stuff. When I was a kid,
my dad gave me a Stevens four to ten. We
used to shoot high brass and squirrels and we go
out hunt some mushrooms and get a few squirrel and
go back and fix them up. And now that I'm older,
I realize I think we're kind of poaching those scrolls
because I don't think squirrel season was in very much.
(18:27):
But it was fun at the time. Hey, how can
I tell how old my Winchester Model seventy is? There's
a pre sixty four? Some wasn't there on those?
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Yeah, there's a pre sixty four. There are a number
of websites if you just go look up Winchester Model
seventy serial number list, just literally type that in. You'll
get several sites that list where your serial number is
and what years made.
Speaker 13 (18:52):
Okay, you know what.
Speaker 12 (18:53):
When I first fought again three hundred win back, I
was like, oh man, this is gonna be a mule
and I shot. I was like, hey, dad, now let's get.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Up exactly you kind of get over it, don't you say? Okay, yeah,
it didn't hurt. I guess I need to pay attention
to actually shoot it now.
Speaker 12 (19:08):
Yeah. Well I shot the first it was like three
or four inches high, and then I just okay, that
wasn't bad. As like a twelve gates going off, and
I put the sec one right in and I was like, yep,
this is a shooter, baby.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
The three hundred Win mag is probably one of the
very best hunting cartridges ever made. And as long as
the recoil doesn't bother you, because it's kind of a
sharp little smack you if you could shoot it, man,
it's a great cartridge.
Speaker 12 (19:32):
Hey, another thing, real quick. I was at the Oxy
a couple of weeks ago and they had a I've
always wanted a Ruger single six convertible, and I didn't
really know what I was getting. I looked at the
gun before in the case and stuff. It looked good.
But it's a new model.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
But it's still not.
Speaker 12 (19:47):
Man, what a plinker.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
There are some really great guns out here. Look, I
got a run. I got to pick up Edwin and
out of broken Arrow, Oklahoma, Hey, Edwin, what you got?
Speaker 14 (20:00):
Yeah? The guy that called in last hour asking about
a DASA hammer fired gun that he could cross draw, right,
I'm thinking, and since he's already owned some PX four storms,
so they have a compact model with a three point
two seven inch barrel.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Yes, I was thinking of that long, that's the one
I was thinking of, and he kind of dismissed it.
Maybe maybe he didn't catch that was actually talking about
the combat. That ought to be exactly what he's looking for,
don't you think.
Speaker 14 (20:29):
Yeah, and for an extra sixty bucks, you can buy
a replacement for the de Cocker slash safety that turns
it into his decocker only, so it'd.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Be just like a sig Oh okay, interesting. I mean,
if you want to go that way, fortunately, you know
they will accommodate you. So, so, what's your favorite carry gun?
Speaker 14 (20:50):
Right now? I've got a six P two thirty and
a Cannick MC nine.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Tell me about the Cannic. I hear good things about it.
Speaker 14 (21:01):
I haven't really shot it much, but I'll tell you
I have an early model, I think just before they
worked out the problem with the mag sticking, so I
think I got to, you know, kind of play with
it a little bit. But yeah, huh interesting. Okay, yeah, hey,
you're going to be at the Watermaker's next week.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
I am not. I wish I was. You know the
problem with me, if I go to the big Tulsa
gun show, the Watermaker Show, it's going to cost me
a ton of money. Unfortunately, I can spend money without
going there, So I think I'm going to be passing
on that one. But I am going to go pick
up a new rifle this week, so I appreciate that. Yeah. Uh,
that's a great and if anybody else wants to go,
the one Wannamaker gun show in Tulsa is the mother
(21:44):
of all gun shows. If you can't find it there,
it probably doesn't exist. I mean you'll find people that
have a table where all the guns on them are
thirty thousand dollars each or more or a lot more.
And then you'll find a bunch of caltechs know or
you know high Point, So you never know what you're
gonna find there. It's a great place. Just understand that
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when you go, it's it's gonna cost you money. It's
sure it does me. There's another a couple of questions
about the double action single action pistols. So we're gonna
be talking about that with a couple of callers. Here.
(22:27):
Another option out there, it occurs to me, is a
double action only trigger pool on a semi auto pistol.
That means you basically get the heavier ten to twelve
pounds double action trigger pool every time. It never goes
to a single action. And I know people going, why
would you do that? Well, it kind of works the
same as a double action revolver, and with a little
(22:49):
bit of practice, it's amazing how good you can get
with that, and you can shoot them very well. So
if you were a person who was concerned about having
a lighter trigger pool for the first trigger pool and
you want that double action and single action because of that,
this might be a way to go too, is take
a look at something that's a double action only a
DAO trigger poll on semi auto. I used to have
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a Smith and Wesson thirty nine fifty three I think
it was, and that was a DA only nice gun,
really nice gun. Anyway, we've got people that want to
talk about such things. Line three. Allen's with us out
of Virginia. Hey, Alan, which one are you recommended?
Speaker 15 (23:29):
Well?
Speaker 13 (23:29):
I was thinking the HK series, the P two thousand
SK would probably fall right in what he's looking for.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
So what's the trigger pool like on that one?
Speaker 13 (23:40):
I honestly don't know. I have some of the USP
family and the triggers are very nice with a good
single action double action trigger, but I don't have the
SK personally. But looking for something that would fit his needs,
that was one that came to mind.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
It looks like I'm looking at it one. The P
two thousand SK looks like you can have it like
a seven to eight pound trigger pull, or even a
twelve pound if I'm reasoning, I'm reading quickly on this
certainly a possibility. Yeah, the s HK P two thousand
SK there you go, certainly worth of Looky, Alan, do
(24:21):
you have any you hat SK R HK yourself?
Speaker 13 (24:25):
I have several, Yes, definitely a fan boy.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
They are really well made, aren't they They are?
Speaker 13 (24:33):
Indeed, Yeah, I have transitioned from the USB and forty
five to the VP nine and nine millimeter, but I
still like them all.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
I when I got here this week, Ryan says, you
got to go shoot the HK CC nine and I
had not shot that before, so I grabbed it out
of the gun room and went out and shot it
at the range. I like it. I mean it's kind
of a sick P three sixty five SI type gun,
but shoots really well. I mean I've never shot an
HK that didn't you.
Speaker 13 (25:04):
Well, yeah, they tend to be pretty good.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
They really do. All right, Well, thank you for that.
That's an interesting observation. The P two thousand SK as
a possibility. Randy's got a thought on that online four
out of Springfield, Missouri. Hey, Randy, you're up next.
Speaker 11 (25:21):
Well, my question is I'm sending in my NRA ballot
for border directors a little bit late, and I need
the two ride in candidate state and city, and I.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Don't know them.
Speaker 11 (25:39):
Okay, Well, you'd give them out several times before, and
I never was able to write them down.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Yeah. Yeah, I did not give out because I've never
known what see or state they're from the writing candidates.
I just don't have that information. And I most certainly
cannot explain that proposed amendment. It's just and I don't
have it in front of me. And I apologize not
having that with me right now, but I just I
don't have it in front of me, So I don't
think I could get into that Randy. Again, I apologize
(26:06):
for not knowing about but I appreciate the call, sir. Yeah,
and if you haven't sent in your ballot, you're right
up against it right now. It's from a time standpoint,
there you go. We will be talking with the folks
from NRA at the NRA Annual Meetings where is that
three weeks from now something like that going to be
in Atlanta. If you've never been to it, let me
(26:27):
recommend that you go because the NRA Annual Meeting is, yeah,
they meet, they've got classes and stuff, but that's really
not what it's about for me. It's they got a
huge exhibition hall, kind of like the Shot Show. Let's see.
That would be April twenty four to twenty five, twenty
six right in there, or actually maybe twenty five, twenty six,
(26:47):
twenty seven. You can go on the inn our website
and take a look at it's in Atlanta. It's really
something else. And they do have, of course, a lot
of instructional seminars and then they have some events and
concerts at night. So if you're in the area, if
you're in that part of the country and you want
(27:08):
to zip over to Atlanta, we're gonna be there. I'm
gonna be doing the show a lot, or actually I
say live. We're gonna have to do it recorded and
then it'll be aired on Sunday because we've got to
get out of there before Sunday. So we'll be doing
that show there and you can drop by and see us,
and Ryan's gonna be there. We'll have some other folks
from the gun Talk world there as well, so there's that.
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We're gonna have a bunch of fun while we're there.
Tell you what we are open lines. If there's a
gun you want to know about or gun you want
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Speaker 2 (30:06):
I have a question for you. If you have a
self defense gun, probably a carry gun and sometimes that
doubles as your housegun to and we talk about have
you shot enough AMMO through it to know that it's
going to work, it's going to function, that it's reliable.
Have you done the same thing with your chosen self
(30:28):
defense life saving ammo? That is, do you know that
your AMMO will run in your gun? We experience an
I thing this past week where a particular kind of
AMMO in a particular magazine and a particular gun. What's
a bad combination? We use Different ammo work just fine
if you haven't. And look, you can go out and
(30:50):
shoot practice amo all you want and it runs. But
your choice of defensive AMMO may or may not feed correctly,
may or may not eject well, It may or may
not work well. And then if you want to go
one step further, this becomes very interesting. Have you ever
tested the terminal ballistics of your carry ammo? Have you
(31:15):
shot them into water jugs? Have you shot them into
any kind of ballistic medium to see what they do?
And I know we're getting into the gun geekery thing.
It's gonna be gun nerds here, but you aren't bet
in your life on this thing, and you need I
would offer that you need to know that this stuff
is going to work. One other thought here, and it
(31:36):
comes out of doing this class this week where we're
shooting very accurate guns, and I was thinking about the
need for accuracy you may have to make and look,
this is gonna get it gets graphic, and it's just
what it is, the reality of it. At some point,
it's a possibility you may need to make a head
shot to stop an attacker. Could be a hosted situation,
(31:56):
could be somebody behind the barricade, could be somebody who's
wearing body armor. That happens more and more now and
your shots to the center of mass are not impressing
him a lot, and you have to make a headshot.
Headshot is about the size maybe the size of a
playing card. There you go, that's good, a good analogy.
I think a playing card is perfect horizontal playing card.
(32:22):
Get your cheap pack of playing cards, you go out
to the range and put them up. Can you put
all your shots in that at fifteen feet? That's reasonable?
If you can't, would suggest something needs to change. Different gun,
different ammo, different U. Probably the latter. It's about ninety
(32:43):
eight percent of it. It's the person pulled the trigger
that's the problem. If you can't put all your shots
into a playing card at fifteen feet, I think we've
got a problem. No time limit, not trying to rush you,
just take your time, put it all in there. Just
a thought for you. Throw it out there for your consideration.
Let's grabbed Dean online one out of California. Hey Dean,
(33:06):
what's on your mind?
Speaker 10 (33:08):
Hey?
Speaker 15 (33:08):
Tom got a got a consideration for the double action
single action pistol okay uh cz rammy r E M. I. Yeah,
and a friend of mine got one. He likes it,
but it does have a pretty stiff slide on it,
so I thought that might be something he might want
to check out.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Yes, Cze and I think CZ maybe getting away from
the DASA guns. So if you want one of those,
you may want to grab one before you know they're gone,
or you'd be buying on the use front there. I
think you had a comment about the shallow sharps rifle.
Speaker 15 (33:43):
Also, yeah, as in Big Timber about three years ago,
and went a little gun store there and they called
me and I should get my quiggly sharps in bout
the end of May.
Speaker 10 (33:58):
Three year.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
Wait, I just gonna say three years for the best
of your gun for you.
Speaker 15 (34:04):
Yeah, they said seventeen months, and then it was twenty two,
and then I thought they forgot about me, but they
called me a couple of days ago, and my initials
in gold will be on the right side and a
standing bowl buffalo will be on the left.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
In seventy That is a lifetime gun, isn't it?
Speaker 10 (34:23):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (34:24):
It is.
Speaker 13 (34:25):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (34:26):
What caliber did you get? Oh?
Speaker 15 (34:28):
Forty five? Seventy okay? And the movie Quickly down Under
they made three of them for it. But as you know,
that one was in forty five one ten, and I
thought about getting that, but it seemed like it's more
of a headache to load, and I'm just punching paper,
so I don't you know.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Yeah, you could buy four everywhere. Yeah, that's gonna be.
So this is not a collector. You're actually going to
shoot it, right?
Speaker 15 (34:50):
Oh yeah, I'm going to shoot it when I get it.
I'll leave meail you a picture.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
What barrel length did you get?
Speaker 15 (34:59):
Oh?
Speaker 10 (35:00):
Whatever?
Speaker 15 (35:00):
The was it thirty two or thirty four?
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Oh? Man, you got the long barrel. That thing is
gonna be so heavy, it's gonna be so much fun
to shoot.
Speaker 15 (35:11):
Yep, and they got the Vernier California sisner.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Yeah yeah, we're burnier side. That's just gonna be so
much fun. Well, yeah, absolutely, all right, Now you have
a homework assignment. Once you get it and you shoot it,
you got to call us back and give us a
full range report on that. Okay, Oh, I will, I will. Cool.
That's very good. Well, congrats, you have a great day.
(35:38):
You two three years. Holy cow.
Speaker 5 (35:41):
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Speaker 2 (35:41):
Let's see Michael's out of Centennial, Colorado. He's got a
thought on this double action single action thing. Michael, what
are you thinking?
Speaker 17 (35:49):
Well, I don't know if you're familiar with the Chiappa
Rhino chai.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Ah, yeah, yes, yes I am. That is one weird
goofy thing, isn't it.
Speaker 17 (35:58):
But I tell you, if you ever carry one. The
cylinders are flat sided, and the hand grip is very
small because they've flipped the barrel and the ramp, so
the barrels below where you normally think it is right,
and so the recoil is considerably less.
Speaker 10 (36:15):
But I just I just love them.
Speaker 18 (36:17):
My daughter I got her one, and I have one,
and they're they're just wonderful guns to shoot. But yeah,
they're a little they're a little funny looking, but they're
wonderful to carry.
Speaker 10 (36:27):
They tell you that.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
Well, let me explain for people where they're thinking, what
are you talking about? The In a regular revolver, the
chamber rotates to the top. The one that's firing is
at the top of the cylinder. In the Chiapa, it
fires the cylinder or the chamber that's at the bottom
of the cylinder.
Speaker 17 (36:47):
Am I right, Well I don't huh, Yeah, the top,
it's just configured different. Oh okay, that kind of threw
me for a loop. I'm gonna I'm gonna have to.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
Reach it green for some reason. And again you could
tell I'm not on one for some reason. I was
thinking fired from the bottom. Maybe not, but yeah, it's
it's the recoil comes more straight back into your hand,
so you don't get muscle rise out of it, so
it's more comfortable to shooting it. Did you get three
fifty seven? I did?
Speaker 6 (37:18):
I did.
Speaker 18 (37:18):
But it comes with the clips so you can put
thirty eighth in it as well.
Speaker 17 (37:21):
That just changed out the clips in the cylinder.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
I'll be darn. Okay, well, there you go. Vote for
the Chiapa Rhino revolver. There you go. I appreciate that, sir.
You know, and if you really interesting thought. We had
a caller earlier, if you didn't catch it, he was
saying he wanted a double action, single action semiato. That
way you get the heavy trigger pull at first and
(37:44):
then the lighter trigger pull after that, because he has
a hand trimmer and he doesn't want to kind of
like accidentally stumble into a lighter trigger. Okay, great, I
get that. That's fine, but let me throw this thought out.
Why not just a double action revolver. I mean, yeah,
you can always shoot single action, but for self defense,
and in case you don't know, using a revolver for
(38:08):
self defense, I would recommend, and all the experts recommend,
never cocking the hammer. Not shooting at single action, shooting
at double action. Now you got a nice twelve pounds
trigger pool, very controllable. You just learn to shoot it.
You're not going to stumble into it. Because when once
you cock the hammer on a double action revolver, you're
looking at a pound and a half two pounds to
(38:28):
set it off, and then a high stress situation, you
could easily fire that gun when you didn't intend to,
which could be horrific. But shooting a double action trigger
pool on a revolver is fun and you can master it.
Here's how works. Put your finger in that trigger all
the way to that first knuckle and sweep that thing.
(38:50):
Don't try to time it. Just start from beginning to
end in one pool is sweep it back, sweep it back,
sweep it back. That will get you on target. They
are so much fun to shoot. I've been a great week.
(39:12):
I've been having so much fun over here at Range
Bred Studios. I was here for the experience class with
the Jacob Gray folks and we got to shoot Jacob
Gray pistols and had trench cut armar optics on it
and shoot this incredible AMMO. It was just great fun
and meet some interesting people and I learned some things
(39:34):
about double stack nineteen elevens. I had shot some a
little bit back in the day. I had pair ordnance
double stacks, but those were forty five. I shot him
a little bit, carried him a little bit. But they're
different now and it's a different level of quality that
Jacob Gray just smoothed. If you remember what a sewing
machine was like. We used to say it runs like
(39:55):
a finely tuned sewing machine. Well it does, and super accurate,
easy to shoot. Grip's a little bit big, Well they bigger,
have to be bigger. It's double stack. Okay. I keep
waiting for somebody to make a little bit smaller grip
when I don't know that that's ever gonna happen. Maybe
it's just an impossibility. I don't know. Would it be
(40:16):
my carry gun, No, it would not be, not for me.
Could I do it? Yeah? I could. Would I feel
comfortable with it? Yeah, after putting a bunch of rounds
through it, I would, And Lord knows I would feel
comfortable about hitting my target with it.
Speaker 12 (40:30):
It was.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
It was stupid. It got to be easy to hit
with it. It got to be really easy to play
shots with it because of the fabulous trigger. I mean, yeah,
the gun's got to be accurate anyway, but it's got
this great trigger in it. So anyway, it was great fun.
Had a lot of fun here, And congratulations to all
the folks who made it into the class. You know
(40:52):
there weren't that many. These classes are small. Maybe that's
one of the reasons that people like them so much.
I mean it's fourteen to fifteen people maybe in each class,
and then a lot of times for these experienced classes
will add two to four media people in there. So
you're getting to rub shoulders with the people who write
the stories or do the YouTube videos about guns, and
(41:14):
that's kind of a fun thing as well, thinking about
I mean, I'm picking up this rifle. I just bought
another used rifle, another Ultra light arms rifle, this one
in two fifty seven Roberts actually improved. Yes, it makes
no sense. I like goofy cartridges. I like older cartes.
I like the cartridges that have some history. My mother
(41:38):
had a two fifty seven Roberts rifle. It was the
first center fire rifle I ever shot. For me, it
has a lot of meaning and I love shooting them.
They're low recoil and very effective for antelope, for deer, mule, deer,
even elk if you had the right bullet. We'll see
what this one does. I mean, it'll be like every
other ultra light arms rifle that Melvin Forbes ever made.
(42:01):
It'll shoot great. It will be lightweight, probably five pounds
five to two without a scope, so I'll give you
some reports on that. It's a handloader's cartridge. I like
handler I like the process. In summer's coming, the snow's
melting in Idaho. I'll be able to get to the
range here before too long and start working on working
(42:22):
up loads. I guess you know we talk about all
these different things. I don't care if you're shooting shotguns
or pistols or rifles. You can attack it at any
level you want. You can say I just want to
go out and shoot now, and then I just want
to carry a gun, or you can get deeply into it.
It is one of the things that's great. I would
(42:43):
encourage you to do it with friends. It's just simply
more fun. You will get more out of it. You
will start shooting more, you will learn more, and then
maybe take a class. You don't have to come down here.
You can go to a gun site, thunder ranch, anywhere.
You can go to the local range. You can take
classes wherever you are. You will learn things. Go to
multiple instructors because each one's going to have something different
(43:04):
to teach you. And if you go into the right place,
you'll have fun doing it as well. The only thing
I would suggest is be discerning about safety, Watch other
people in your class, watch the instructor, make sure that
everything is safe, that you're comfortable with what they're doing.
If it's not safe, If you're not comfortable, fail inject,
(43:25):
get out of there okay. In the meantime, carry, always
watch your six, take people with you to the range,
and by all means and most of all, have fun
with this
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