April 6, 2025 • 43 mins
In This Hour:
-- It's legal, but nearly impossible to ship a handgun unless you are a gun store. The big shipping companies won't let you. Now there's a way to do it. Allen Forkner explains how www.gunbroker.com created a workaround.
-- Is switching from a Kydex holster to leather a step backward, or is it an appreciation of real quality that lasts decades?
-- If you travel across state lines with a number of guns, there are specific things you need to know and do, and you should never agree to let the police search your vehicle.
Gun Talk 04.06.25 Hour 1
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-- It's legal, but nearly impossible to ship a handgun unless you are a gun store. The big shipping companies won't let you. Now there's a way to do it. Allen Forkner explains how www.gunbroker.com created a workaround.
-- Is switching from a Kydex holster to leather a step backward, or is it an appreciation of real quality that lasts decades?
-- If you travel across state lines with a number of guns, there are specific things you need to know and do, and you should never agree to let the police search your vehicle.
Gun Talk 04.06.25 Hour 1
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
He was the first and he's still the best. For
thirty years, Tom Gresham has been your trusted source on
all things ballistic, new guns, Second Amendment, personal protection, be
part of it, Paul, Tom Talk Gun Now.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Here's Tom.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
All right, let's do this thing. It is gun talking.
I'm Tom Gresham once again, because well that's what we
do around here. I'm glad that you could be with us.
If you were to join us, it's pretty easy. Give
me a call at eight to sixty six. Talk gun
or Tom Talk Gun. Now. You know, we talk a
lot about buying and selling guns, and there are a
lot of different ways to go about it. You could
do it locally, you could do it through online services.
(00:54):
You can do it with gun broker obviously, which is
you know, yeah, I'm there all the time. One of
the issues we've run into, though, when it comes time
to send a gun, to ship a gun, what legal
may not actually be possible. I know that doesn't make
any sense, but let me have you talk about this.
We're bringing in Alan Parkner now, Alan with gun Broker. Some
(01:16):
of the shippers say, yeah, it's legal for you to
ship a gun to an FFL, but if you're not
an FFL, we're not going to take your package. We're
not going to take your gun.
Speaker 5 (01:27):
Yeah, Tom, you know, you and I both know it's
legal to ship firearms to an FFL, but the various
shipping companies have policies in place of what they will
accept and what they want and who they accept it from.
And you know, it's becoming harder and harder to actually
ship a firearm. So you know, if you've, like you said,
if you've sold one, or even if you need to
send one in for service, or you know, maybe you
got a two two six you're sending off to Bruce
(01:49):
Grade to get tuned up, whatever it might be, it's
becoming more and more likely that you're going to have
to find an FFL locally willing to ship it to
another one for you. And aside from being a nuisance
and a bit of a time suck, you know, you're
using the FFL's time, so they're probably going to charge
you a little bit for it to just sure they're not.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
And that's I understand. It is fair you're using their service,
but it is going to cost you some extra and
you're right, it's a pain in the reer and have
to go down at the gun store and get it,
you know, taken care of. So all that being said,
they say that, you know, with every problem there's an opportunity.
It looks like that has become an opportunity for Gunbroker. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (02:25):
So you know, obviously as gun folks, we know the
issues and you know, we hear from sellers all the
time of some of the struggles, especially some of our
you know, the private folks who are just selling off
some collections. But we've always offered shipping through gun Broker,
through you know, all the major carriers. But we sat
down with one of them and worked out a program
and have built a platform now where you can ship
(02:46):
as a private individual through one of the major carriers
to an FFL without the hassle. You can do everything online,
put up the tag, slap it on and take it
down and either a range of pickup or drop it
off and it'll ship through. And in addition to that,
you know, we put a few extra layers of security,
but also just you know, making you feel a little
more comfortab about it in the process. And the cool
(03:08):
thing is you don't have to sell something through gun broker.
You know, if you if you need to ship a firearm,
you can still come come in through gun broker and
ship with gun without having to sell it.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
Okay. So if I just have a gun, I need
to have prepare. I have a handgun, I need to
send it to Bruce Scrare, I need to send to somebody.
I'm not selling it. I'm not working through a gun broker,
but gun broker has arranged for me to be able
to actually ship that handgun. And by the way, people
they the post office will let you send a long
gun through the post office, but you cannot send handguns
(03:40):
if you don't have an FFL. But with this system
that you have, me individual without an FFL can ship
a handgun to an FFL even if I'm not selling
it through a gun broker. Yep.
Speaker 5 (03:52):
And the way the system is built, you know, it
walks you through all that. So if you are shipping
a handgun, you know it also has to do certain ways.
You can't go ground, has to go second day. Other
things like that and this kind of takes care of
it for you. You know, the first question is you
know which carrier do you want to use and what
are you putting in there? And from there it walks
you through everything. The only qualifier is you know you
are going to have to set up an account on
a gun broker as a seller, but that's free, that's
(04:14):
super simple. That will also require you to put your
payment information in but you know.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
You have to pay for the shipping away.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
But yeah, after that, you get into our shipping platform
and just select the f FL delivery there. You need
a little little bit of information you listen need I
think it's the first two digits and last four or
five of the FFL you're sending it to. And after
that the system takes over. It's going to look in
the database, find that f FL, make sure it's a
valid active FFL. It fills out the shipping information so
you're not worried about getting it sent to the wrong address.
(04:45):
And the part that I think is really cool is
it's going to sanitize that tag for you as well,
so you know, if you're shipping it to Gym's gun emporium,
you don't really want Gym's Gun Emporium on your shipping
label's Unfortunately, there are sticky fingers between point A and B,
so your tag might print out as Jim's Emporium or
jg Imporium, but it'll be sanitized in a way that
(05:06):
it's not going to scream about what the contents of
the package are.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
That's clever.
Speaker 5 (05:10):
Yeah, we thought that was a nice additional layer of security.
And then you know, if you are a private individual,
it's verifying that's a real legitimate FFL. You know, Unfortunately
these days it's it's a little hard to trust anything.
So just having that secondary backup lets you know it's
going to a legitimate, valid place.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
So you have you have a database of all the FFLs,
so you actually verified this is an FFL number, and
then when the FFL number comes up, you put the
correct address in to verify and make sure that this
package actually goes to this FFL.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
Yeah, that's exactly right. That's you know, part of our
arrangements with the shippers to make sure that we're absolutely
sending it to the right spot. So you know, you know,
you don't say you're sending it to Bruce Gray and
then it goes somewhere else should cut down on you know,
even just if you're like me, you're constantly hitting the
wrong key and it's on your flipped a cup numbers
and right package goes to Poughkeepsie instead of California.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
Awhaere Okay, So how do we do this? I mean,
do you go? You start at the gunbroker dot com website. Yep.
Speaker 5 (06:09):
If you're not already set up with a gun broker account,
just gunbroker dot com and how to become a seller.
There's a quick easy linked at the bottom.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
Of the page.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
It'll walk you through the registration process. Again pretty simple
if you're already set up. It's even easier than that.
It's gunbroker dot com slash shipping and that's going to
land you right on the front page of the tool.
There is an FAQ link at the top if you've
got some questions. But after the first thing that's going
to ask is, you know, how do you want to
ship at FFL delivery, you know, Postal, other carriers and
(06:39):
what are you shipping? So it walks you through.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
Everything that is slick, I mean, and look, I get it.
It's helpful to gun broker to make it easier for
people to ship guns, to send guns. But this is
going to help everybody, whether they're selling or repairing or
any well, it's been a real problem for a lot
of us for quite a while now.
Speaker 5 (06:58):
Yeah, and that's exactly how he looked at it. You know,
this was something we obviously were hearing feedback from sellers,
both FFL sellers looking for an easier way to do it,
but also just private individuals, And once we'd come up
with a solution for that, we thought, you know, why
limit this. This is a problem all gun owners face.
We should open up for everybody. And you know, Tom,
you'll get a kick out of this one. The person
(07:18):
are the people I've probably heard the most about feedback
from have been our meet friends in the media who
always have test guns that they've got to get back
to the manufacturer. You know, making their life easier has
made a lot of them happy.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
People don't understand telling me, I get a lot of
these guns in and then I have to send them
back and I'm always having to tell my local law
FFL when I get them in, save the shipping box
because I am going to have to return this gun
to the manufacturer.
Speaker 5 (07:43):
Yeah, so you know, we figured if it was good
for one one segment, it's great for the entire segment.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
Well, exactly, great idea, al I appreciate what you guys
are doing, and just go to the gunbroker dot com
website and it goes from there. Blliant man, I appreciate it, Tom,
thanks for having us on you bet you, thank you
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Speaker 9 (10:12):
Hey, I'm Bright from Utah and I've been listening to
gun Talk for almost the full thirty years. Congrats on
thirty years, Tom. I started listening in that first first
two years, and I missed a few at that time,
but since then I have an almost perfect record if
I'm not missing an episode. And because of you, Tom,
and I've taken classes from I don't know how many instructors,
(10:35):
big and small, all over the country. I'm an evangelist
for others. I teach others all the stuff I learn.
I carry two flashlights at all times, always have a
gun on with an extra mag pants on guns on.
You've helped me be more knowledgeable and how to talk
about the subject quickly and get to the point. I
have been smarter, more knowledgeable, more helpful, and more prepared
(10:59):
because of you, Tom Gresham and your amazing show, which
I can't live without. So thanks for thirty years, and
I'll look forward to anymore.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
All right, Welcome to gun Talk. I'm Tom Gresham, your host.
We're gonna be talking about guess what guns, as we
always do around here. If you'd like to be a
part of this. If you'd like to call in, it's
just the easiest thing in the world. The number is
Tom Talk Gun. It's me and what we do right,
Tom Talk Gun, And really doesn't matter what you want
to talk about. We're kind of all over the place.
(11:33):
You know. I can't keep a thought going in a
particular direction for very long anyway, so you might as
well take it in the direction you want to go in.
There could be a gun you're thinking about buying one,
you just purchased, an experience you had at the range.
Maybe you've decided to get into competition. But frankly, word
likely the primary reason you own guns is for personal protection,
(11:59):
your safety, safety of your family. And can I just
say that, if you're listening to this, you probably are
more advanced than most people. Frankly, you know, more you
think about this more, you probably take more action in
terms of preparing and making sure that you are competent.
Having said that, maybe not, maybe not. Maybe you just
(12:24):
bought a gun and say, okay, I'll have a gun
for self defense, and then you kind of think, yeah, okay,
I got a gun for self defense. You know, it
doesn't really work like that. It just doesn't work like that.
The gun is just a tool. The real safety, the
real competency is you, and it's a combination of a
(12:48):
lot of different things. It's not can you shoot and
hit a target? I mean, that's part of it, certainly,
but it's how do you choose a gun? Which gun
do you choose? What animal do you chase? Do you
carry a gun? Do you just keep it at the house?
Where do you keep it at the house? How do
you have your gun equipped? And if you carry a
(13:10):
gun with you when you're walking around, how do you
carry it? You carry it inside the wat span, outside
the wat span, holster appendix, carry, pocket carry or do
you just stick it to the console of your car
or truck and call that protection, Which, as I pointed out,
(13:32):
when you step out of your car, you don't have
it with you anymore. If you have to step out
in a hurry, take off, run, you don't have it
with you anymore. Even if you said, well, i'll take
it out of my holster and then I put it
in the console. Great, something happens and you've got to
bail out fast, you don't have it with you anymore. So,
(13:53):
just wondering if you had to pick a place where
you are on the spectrum not no no, no, no no,
not that spectrum, the spectrum of preparedness. Where would you
place yourself? Are you happy with where you are? And
if not, what, if any plans do you have to
(14:15):
move your position along this timeline or spectrum of preparedness
from completely unaware and don't have a gun on one
side to I don't know what the ultimate would be
on the other side. You know, super Ninja carry dude
with fourteen guns on you. It didn't give the time
you laugh. It is a fun thing we've done. I've
(14:37):
done it. In fact, a lot of people have done
it actually on video and other places. You know, how
many guns can you carry the time I got to
twenty five? At one point I was carried and I'm
talking about me carrying in front of a bunch of people,
including cops, and they did not know I was carrying
a single gun. And then in the middle of my talk,
(15:00):
I started pulling out guns and I was carrying twenty
five pistols on my body and nobody knew it. It
was kind of fun, actually, when I think about it,
to watch the cops and their eyes get bigger and
bigger as I'm pulling out guns and you could almost
(15:21):
hear them thinking, boy, we got to be more careful
about people when we're patting them down or checking them
for guns. Just you know, one of those and then
the last one. This was fun because the whole time
I'm drinking from like a big gulp drink and talking
to them, and I was wearing shorts. I didn't even
(15:41):
have an angle hole strawn. And at the end I
reached down inside this big gulp which I actually had
watered I'd been drinking from, and pulled out a North
American Arms Mini Revolver. It was down in the water. Yes,
it was soaked in water and came out, but it
would have would have functioned. It would have worked a
lot of different ways to carry a gun. Hey, let's
(16:02):
grab bread online two out of Topeka, Kansas. Hey, Brad,
you're on gun Talk. What're you doing here? Tom?
Speaker 10 (16:08):
A couple of months ago I talked to you about
switching from kay Dex to a leather holster, and I
contacted Simply Rugged Holsters and talked to the owner out
there and got me a very very nice holster from them.
(16:30):
About a ten day turnaround. Got it. Knox Blood and
it is just wonderful, wonderful craftsmanship. So I give them
a little plug here on the radio. It's just fantastic.
The field of leather instead of kindex is you know,
(16:51):
so great. And I couldn't find anything over the counter,
you know, from some of these major companies make homes,
and so I just wanted to thank you for that
good advice.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
Well, let me ask you. I mean, you know that
going from kay deecs to leather to a lot of
people sounds like you have put your transmission in reverse
and gone back in time. Right.
Speaker 10 (17:18):
Well maybe so, but you know, I just love that feel.
And you know, this thing's going to last one hundred years.
It's going to be someone's going to be worrying this
long after I'm gone.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
So what was it about kaydacs that you either weren't
happy about or wasn't just you couldn't find a hole
so that would work for your gun?
Speaker 10 (17:41):
Well, you know that was the main thing. I couldn't
find anything for my light attachment and my red dot.
I contacted a couple of major companies said well, you know,
we don't have anything really will set that light that
you have on it. Because I had a a sig
Fox Trot one X and so that was a problem.
(18:06):
But I don't know, It's just a great holster. And
the kite x you know, some of those. I've got
some cheap ones. They're you know, they're thin.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
And.
Speaker 10 (18:19):
I just don't like them. You know, I've got a
number of them, and I've got some leather holsters for
my revolvers and things. But this is just they do
a great job.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
Out which way did you go to? You go inside
the waistbander outside the waist, this one both.
Speaker 10 (18:35):
I can wear it both ways, depending on, you know,
how I feel. I've got straps that I can take off,
and men just wear it regularly on my hip.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
Is there. And look, I get it because I like
leather holsters, and I almost feel guilty when I do it,
and people go, well, yo, you're a boomer, you're an
old guy. Yeah, I am both of those things. But
I also like them because and I get to try
everything and I get to use everything. But there is
something about a quality leather holster that's just fun or
(19:09):
enjoyable or something.
Speaker 10 (19:11):
Yeah, it's you know, once you try him, I don't know.
I don't think I'll ever go.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
Back isn't that interesting. I mean, and you know that's
kind of going against the grain, so to speak, or
leather grain. You get it in terms of kaydex is
where everything is moving well and kay deex is generally
less expensive. But then again, I like what you said
if when you buy a really good quality of leather holster,
(19:39):
you feel like, man, this thing's gonna outlive me.
Speaker 10 (19:42):
Oh yeah, definitely. And now you know this wasn't inexpensive.
This is probably the most money ever spent on a ulster,
but it's darn well worth it.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
Simply Rugged Holsters, simply Rugged dot com. They just do
a really good job. They've got a lot of good stuff.
They got a lot of good people there who are
making holsters for them all the time. And you can
get simple to fancy you or get them dolled up
however you want. I've got two or three of theirs
and robing their crew. They just do a really good
job over there.
Speaker 10 (20:13):
Oh yeah. And you know you can get anything else
from them, for belts to you know, mag holders and everything,
so they have a lot to offer.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
I'm just yeah, you know, you are actually a turn
in the favor because as you're talking to me. I'm
going on to the website. Then I just found another
holster that I like. This is not good. I'm looking
at this good. Huh, that's a good looking holster. Oh
look they've got a matching mag pouch for it. Holy cow. Yeah,
(20:44):
here we go. Right.
Speaker 10 (20:46):
Well, this this aux Blood is just beautiful. It's it's
just great cool.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
We're very good. Well, look, thank you for the range Report.
I'm glad that they took care of you. I mean
I knew they would. It's like there are companies I
can recommend and just go, Okay, this is to work
out really well for everybody. So it works out great.
So thank you so much. I appreciate that. Don't forget
to tell Rob and the crew there that you like
your holster. It's always good to say thanks. I love
the range Reports. We get a lot of calls from
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people who are very happy with the products they get.
We're fortunate with our activity. Whether it's an advocation or
you have guns for self defense or you're a competition shooter.
The companies in this industry, farm's industry, not just guns,
the AMMO, the guns, the accessories, everything generally take really
(21:40):
good care of us. And if there's a problem, they
go back and take care of that as well. And look,
stuff gets made. Sometimes there's a problem, not all that often.
Oh I just saw this. The Simply Rugged also now
has the Wilderness Renegate ankle Holster, which I think is
one of the best ankle holsters ever made. Interesting, I
did not know that they head, so if you're thinking
(22:01):
about an ankle holster, you might take a look at
that as well. But yeah, they look at the leather holsters.
I think you'll like them. Our number here is eight
sixty six Talk Gun. I'm Tom Gresham. When we are
open lives waiting for you. Alrighty back with you, Tom
(22:23):
Gresham Here it's gun Talk. By the way, if you
want to follow me over on x formerly known as Twitter,
I am at gun Talk over there. If you are
somebody who follows me over there day, you might want
to call in and kind of give a range report
on X and what we do over there as well.
It's a fun place, it's a weird place. It's got
lots of politics involved. And then sometimes, like this morning,
(22:46):
you just need a break. So I just posted a
pretty picture of a pretty rifle at a pretty setting,
just kind of like everybody, sit back, take a deep breath,
smell that mountain there. Get away from politics for a
minute or two. Didn't last very long because speople are
that for politics. That's okay, it doesn't matter. We're having
fun if nothing else. Right, Let's see here Michael Line four, Dallas, Texas,
(23:11):
traveling videographer talk to me, Michael.
Speaker 11 (23:16):
Yes, that's all I do now. I basically just travel
and I have that little bitty video. I have a
YouTube channel and it's primarily about guns, and I may
carry up to fifteen different type of weapons. Ar's the pressors, pistols,
and I'm always worried about being in New Mexico or
Colorado and getting pulled over and having.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
To root it in.
Speaker 11 (23:38):
I'm not a terrorist.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
Okay, let's go through that first of all, you really
this is serious. You really do need to know the
laws of every state you go into, and it's a
pain in the rear. But if you're going into a
state where they limit the capacity of magazines, you had
better be paid attention to that. Yeah.
Speaker 11 (24:03):
I just found out in Colorado that it was I
think it was Max and ten and I almost I
almost had a canips and.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
I had to do it, and that's why towards the right,
that's why I mentioned it because I figured, if you're
going to Colorado and you've got ars, you probably are
not aware of their ten round limital magazines. You need
to be aware of that. Now, let's talk for a second.
When you're traveling with the guns and suppressors and things,
do you have them generally in hard cases?
Speaker 11 (24:32):
Yes, except for maybe like one.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
Well, I mean, to carry gun is a different deal.
If you've got a carry gun, you've got it on you,
that's that's a different issue. But if if you've got
a bunch of guns in the back and they're in
hard cases, especially if they're locked, which it's like, go
buy some cheap locks and just throw them in there.
Now you can say, okay, they're all locked, you're statisfying
the laws as you travel. They're locked and away from you.
(24:58):
Rule number one, don't volunteer any information during the traffic stop, right,
So you just answer, you know, do you have any
guns in the car? Yes, sir, you know what do
you have? Well, i'm where I'm wearing a gun. I've
got to carry ford. Stop talking. And now if they
say are there any others? You know, you could you
answer them honestly, but generally speaking, just don't volunteer any information. Okay, Okay. Now,
(25:25):
having said that, if they say, you know, typical cop deal.
Do you mind if I look in the car? Or
you don't mind if I take a look at the car?
Do you the answerests I'm sorry, officer, I don't consent
to searches.
Speaker 11 (25:40):
I'd say, okay, I would say ahead, No I figured out.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
No, No, it's a bad idea. No, you have no
idea what the CoP's going to come out of that
car with. You have no idea what law you may
have broken inadvertently. You don't know if it's guy or
gal is just having a bad day and just wants
to hassle you. The the answer is, I'm sorry, officer,
(26:06):
I don't consent to searches. And then you kind of
go through this round about, well, what's the what's the deal?
You're hiding something? I just don't concert consent to searches. Well,
what's the deal? You know? You know I can look
at it if I want to say, well, you know,
I understand, but I don't consent to a search. Now,
if if the officer decides he or she's going to
look in your car, then that's gonna happen. Don't try
(26:29):
to stop it. If they say, well, you know, we're
gonna call, We're gonna handcuff you, put you on the
side of the road, and it could be a couple
of hours before someone can get it with the dog.
The answer to that is, you know, officer, I just
don't consent to searches, or if you want to make
it further than that. So you know, uh, my cop
friends and my attorney friends tell me I should never
(26:52):
consult consent to searches. So I'm gonna go with what
they tell me, and you just end up saying the
same thing over and over. Generally speaking, they're going to go, oh, okay,
I mean they were just trying. They were fishing. But no, no, no, no, no,
you never never give consent to go inside your car.
Speaker 11 (27:10):
I'm not glad I called. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
Yeah. I mean there is a spectrum of you know,
it's a bell curve and everything. There's a spectrum of officers,
and a lot of them are very good and good,
honest people and would love to have a conversation with
you about guns. Some of them really don't like the
fact that you own guns at all and would like
a chance to hassle you. You don't know who you're
dealing with. There's no point in opening that door. There's
no benefit to you in opening the door. But there's
(27:36):
sure could be a problem here. So you know, make
sure you know the laws, make sure you obey the laws.
Guns that are in the back of the car in
hard cases and locked, and you know, sorry, officer, I
don't consent to searches. That's the end of it. And
they said, well, why is that. I just you know,
I just don't consent to searches. You just say the
(27:58):
same thing over and over again. You don't try to
explain it, you don't anything else. Remember, you're not trying
to show you're a good guy. You're not trying to
have a conversation. You're just trying to get out of
there with the shortest amount of time, with the fewest
number of words said. Don't have a conversation.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Okay, fair enough, Okay.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
All right, you'll be fine. Just be informed and take
action in terms of travel smart that isn't traveled intelligently,
and you'll be just fine. Okay, all right, Thanks Mike,
appreciate that. Hey, Bruce, start going anywhere, I'm gonna get
your next up. But we do have room. If you'd
(28:43):
like to join this, give me a call right now.
Clearly we will go in any direction or sometimes all
directions at the same time. Rudderless, that's me.
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Speaker 4 (31:14):
All right, you want to be a part of this,
Just give me a call eight sixty six Talk Gun
or Tom Talk Gun. Bruce did that. He's in Minnesota.
Hey Bruce, what are you looking at here?
Speaker 14 (31:24):
Moon, sir, Well, I'm looking at the Browning Expot two Speed.
I think it's a nice looking firearm. It's a little
high on my price range. But I'm wondering, because it
is you can move the columb in the length to pull,
if there are other firearms in that price range or
cheaper that are comparable. I'm looking at three o eight
(31:48):
because I have a plethora of that calender.
Speaker 4 (31:54):
Well, let me ask you this. I will directly answer
your question a minute, but I got a questions for you. Certainly,
do you have a preference for the Browning because you
mentioned that, and generally people when people do that, they
go to that because you think, man, I'd really like
to have a Browning.
Speaker 14 (32:12):
No, sir, I am not brand specific.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
Okay, all right, because where I was going to go
with that is, if that's the one you really want,
Let's get away from saying is there's something cheaper, Just
get the one you really want, because you'll be frankly,
you'd be unhappy if you got something less than it.
But if you're not really locked in on the Browning,
then yes, there are other guns available. The Ruger American
(32:36):
series certainly comes to mind. Savage has some that are
fairly inexpensive, with adjustable stocks and combs and things. I'm
trying to think there was somebody else that was coming
to mind, and I'm just pulling a blank on it
right now, But there are several out there that would
work for you. What are you going to do with
(32:56):
the rifle?
Speaker 14 (32:58):
This is zero hunting. I'm primarily and shooting two three
four hundred yards just target blinking.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
Okay, that's not that big of a challenge. Then let
me ask you this then, going all the way back
to your initial question, what is it about having adjustments
on the stock that appeals to you.
Speaker 14 (33:21):
More customization comfort? I would imagine that. And I'm getting
up there in age where the heck with it? I
want to spend my money and have a nice rite.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
I love it. That's a good, honest answer that I
want what I want, right, That's okay, Well, you know, honestly,
look around. I'm just going to make a suggestion here.
It's easy for me to spend your money. I'm really
good at spending other people's money. Find the one you
want without looking at the price tag, and then get
(33:57):
that one.
Speaker 14 (34:00):
You know, they do make Browning does make one. It's
called a composite. It's just the blackstock where the two
speed is stercoat with a bronze bolt. So it's a
little bit more pricey, it's sexy looking, I'll say that.
Speaker 4 (34:18):
Well, here's what I have found through the years. Every
time I said I really want this one, but I'm
going to get this other one because it's a little
less expensive, I have ended up being unhappy and regretted
not getting the one I really wanted. Because after you
buy the one you want, after about a month, or
actually after about an hour, you won't care about how
(34:40):
much you spent, because you're going to say, I love
this gun, and it just doesn't matter. Now as I say,
it's easy for me to spend your money for you,
but my experience is within if you can make it
work with the budget, honestly, seriously, get the one you
really want.
Speaker 14 (34:56):
Okay, yeah, that makes sense. I just I guess I
was looking for confirmation on my my Uh, I guess
I understand.
Speaker 4 (35:10):
Oh yeah, Jim just messes Tika as another prosperity. Look,
there are a lot of really good rifles out there
these days, you know, Tika, Ruger, Savage, Winchester. I mean,
go down the line, Uh, look at all of them.
If you can get them in your hands, if you
can find a gun store that has a good supply,
take a look at him. But honestly, really seriously, UH,
(35:30):
think about if you're next year and you bought the
one that was almost as good as the one you want,
You're not gonna be happy with it. You're gonna wish
you bought the one you wanted.
Speaker 14 (35:40):
Yeah, I understand that it's kind of hard though. I'm
in central Minnesota and the nearest fairly large gun store
would be uh Fargo or down towards Saint Cloud in
the city. Yeah, maybe makes shopping a little bit more interesting.
Speaker 4 (35:58):
I understand it is it is, you know, and maybe
you can poke around. But then again, maybe it's a
field trip. Say hey, we're gonna go on a road trip.
We're gonna go gun shopping for a day or something. Look,
I got to keep running here. I appreciate the call.
Good luck with that search. Let me talk with Brenda,
who is uh calling out of North Carolina. Hey, Brenda,
you're on gun Talk. How can we help you?
Speaker 11 (36:18):
Thank you.
Speaker 15 (36:20):
I'm interested in that, but I play that recruitory people,
and I don't pay the knowledge that the knowledgeable and
I need about to guide me. What's the best pistoms
for me to buy? I don't want anything to say,
because I want baby lived, so I don't know.
Speaker 4 (36:38):
What to buy, right, I understand it's it's very hard
for me to make a recommendation without knowing what you
your your background is, or what you Let me ask
you a question, are you going to carry this gun
or you just going to keep it at home?
Speaker 14 (36:56):
Keep it at home?
Speaker 4 (36:58):
Okay, then don't buy a real super small gun. Typically
a lot of women want to have a little small gun.
The problem is the smaller the pistol gets, the harder
it is to shoot well, and the more it kicks
and recoils. A little bit larger and heavier gun it's
(37:18):
much easier to shoot. And I'm going to just say
this on the front end. If you get a gun
for protection, you must go out and shoot it. You
can't just buy a gun and load it and keep
it the house and think it's going to do you
any good at all. Okay, that I'm going to suggest
(37:40):
you take a look. Now you're in your seventies, I
gather right, Okay. Smith and Wesson makes a pistol called
the Equalizer and the or you look at one that's
called the e Z from Smith and Wesson, and it
(38:01):
is very easy to work the slide, work that slide
with these, and I think something like that would work
for you. But here's where I'm going to recommend. Find
a shooting range in your area and ask them if
they have an instructor that you could get some time
with at the shooting range and try two or three
different guns. It's going to be some of the best
(38:23):
money you ever spent. Go to a shooting range and say, look,
do you have an instructor I could hire for an
hour and have I was going to try several of
your different rental guns and that process you're going to
find something that works for you. So much better to
try it before you buy it than to buy one
and then it doesn't work out for you. I wish
you a lot of luck with Brenda. Thank you, thanks
(38:45):
so much for colling. You take care of yourself, all right,
there you go. I mean try before you buy. It's
always a good idea. Our number is eighty six six
Talk Gun or Tom Talk Gun. We're pretty much open lines.
What are you carrying these days? And how do you
carry it? Oh? This is interesting. This came out a
(39:14):
couple of days ago the US Department of Justice under
Pam Bondy announces a Second Amendment pattern or practice investigation
into California's Los Angeles County. This is from the Office
of Public Affairs at the Department of Justice. Let's see
(39:36):
the Justice part of Justice's Civil Rights Division announced an
investigation into Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department to determine whether
it is engaging in a pattern or practice of depriving
ordinary law abidings Californians of their Second Amendment rights. Here's
(39:56):
what's going on the Sheriff's department there is dragging it
its feet in terms of issuing carry permits. We're talking
more than a year, sometimes two years to get your
carry permit. This is ridiculous. Well, literally all they have
to do is the background check. So the new under
(40:18):
new management Department of Justice, Donald Trump's Department of Justice said,
you know, we're going to go take a look at
this and we're going to see if there's a pattern
or practice of discrimination here. This has teeth to it
because the DOJ is almost definitely going to send in
its Special Litigation section. This is like scary words to
(40:46):
the Sheriff's department in LA. The special Litigation section has
literally never lost a case, not a single case win.
They're gonna win, and there's a lot of things they
can do. And one of them. Think about this, those
of us who grew up in the South and know
(41:08):
about this, they can enter into a consent decree. For
a number of states in the South, for decades, the
education department worked under a consent decree from the federal government.
That is, the federal government ran the education departments in
(41:28):
these states. The La County Sheriffs Department could be forced
to enter into a consent decree where the US Justice
Department runs their program on conceal carrey. And this wouldn't
be like, Okay, we're going to do this for two weeks.
This could be for two decades. Now, given you have
(41:48):
a different president, you have different Department of Justice. But
I'm just saying that this is very promising because we
weren't sure what was going to come out of the
Pam Bondie Justice Department. She had a mixed record in Florida,
(42:09):
supported red flag laws, lack of due process for gun owners.
But this is good. This is really good. We'll see
where it goes. But this is a whole lot more
than nothing. This is a kind of a big deal.
So I'll keep you posted as that goes forward. But yeah,
you know you've got places that simply say sheriff's departments,
(42:33):
police departments, governmental entities. Is is that we don't care. We
don't care what the Supreme Court say is, we don't
care what the ruined decision is. We don't care that
we are stripping people of their constitutional rights. We don't
like people having guns, and we're going to do everything
we can do to keep people from having guns, whether
it's putting additional taxes on guns, putting waiting periods on
(42:55):
buying guns, having limits on the ages of citizens, adult
citizens who can buy guns. But now you have the
US Justice Department coming in and saying, yeah, and that's
really not how it works, and we have the hammer
of thor we can drop down on you. And I
(43:17):
think that's exactly what's going to happen here. Fascinating, really
interesting something effect tell you what, in a minute, we're
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Here's Tom.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
All right, let's do this thing. It is gun talking.
I'm Tom Gresham once again, because well that's what we
do around here. I'm glad that you could be with us.
If you were to join us, it's pretty easy. Give
me a call at eight to sixty six. Talk gun
or Tom Talk Gun. Now. You know, we talk a
lot about buying and selling guns, and there are a
lot of different ways to go about it. You could
do it locally, you could do it through online services.
(00:54):
You can do it with gun broker obviously, which is
you know, yeah, I'm there all the time. One of
the issues we've run into, though, when it comes time
to send a gun, to ship a gun, what legal
may not actually be possible. I know that doesn't make
any sense, but let me have you talk about this.
We're bringing in Alan Parkner now, Alan with gun Broker. Some
(01:16):
of the shippers say, yeah, it's legal for you to
ship a gun to an FFL, but if you're not
an FFL, we're not going to take your package. We're
not going to take your gun.
Speaker 5 (01:27):
Yeah, Tom, you know, you and I both know it's
legal to ship firearms to an FFL, but the various
shipping companies have policies in place of what they will
accept and what they want and who they accept it from.
And you know, it's becoming harder and harder to actually
ship a firearm. So you know, if you've, like you said,
if you've sold one, or even if you need to
send one in for service, or you know, maybe you
got a two two six you're sending off to Bruce
(01:49):
Grade to get tuned up, whatever it might be, it's
becoming more and more likely that you're going to have
to find an FFL locally willing to ship it to
another one for you. And aside from being a nuisance
and a bit of a time suck, you know, you're
using the FFL's time, so they're probably going to charge
you a little bit for it to just sure they're not.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
And that's I understand. It is fair you're using their service,
but it is going to cost you some extra and
you're right, it's a pain in the reer and have
to go down at the gun store and get it,
you know, taken care of. So all that being said,
they say that, you know, with every problem there's an opportunity.
It looks like that has become an opportunity for Gunbroker. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (02:25):
So you know, obviously as gun folks, we know the
issues and you know, we hear from sellers all the
time of some of the struggles, especially some of our
you know, the private folks who are just selling off
some collections. But we've always offered shipping through gun Broker,
through you know, all the major carriers. But we sat
down with one of them and worked out a program
and have built a platform now where you can ship
(02:46):
as a private individual through one of the major carriers
to an FFL without the hassle. You can do everything online,
put up the tag, slap it on and take it
down and either a range of pickup or drop it
off and it'll ship through. And in addition to that,
you know, we put a few extra layers of security,
but also just you know, making you feel a little
more comfortab about it in the process. And the cool
(03:08):
thing is you don't have to sell something through gun broker.
You know, if you if you need to ship a firearm,
you can still come come in through gun broker and
ship with gun without having to sell it.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
Okay. So if I just have a gun, I need
to have prepare. I have a handgun, I need to
send it to Bruce Scrare, I need to send to somebody.
I'm not selling it. I'm not working through a gun broker,
but gun broker has arranged for me to be able
to actually ship that handgun. And by the way, people
they the post office will let you send a long
gun through the post office, but you cannot send handguns
(03:40):
if you don't have an FFL. But with this system
that you have, me individual without an FFL can ship
a handgun to an FFL even if I'm not selling
it through a gun broker. Yep.
Speaker 5 (03:52):
And the way the system is built, you know, it
walks you through all that. So if you are shipping
a handgun, you know it also has to do certain ways.
You can't go ground, has to go second day. Other
things like that and this kind of takes care of
it for you. You know, the first question is you
know which carrier do you want to use and what
are you putting in there? And from there it walks
you through everything. The only qualifier is you know you
are going to have to set up an account on
a gun broker as a seller, but that's free, that's
(04:14):
super simple. That will also require you to put your
payment information in but you know.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
You have to pay for the shipping away.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
But yeah, after that, you get into our shipping platform
and just select the f FL delivery there. You need
a little little bit of information you listen need I
think it's the first two digits and last four or
five of the FFL you're sending it to. And after
that the system takes over. It's going to look in
the database, find that f FL, make sure it's a
valid active FFL. It fills out the shipping information so
you're not worried about getting it sent to the wrong address.
(04:45):
And the part that I think is really cool is
it's going to sanitize that tag for you as well,
so you know, if you're shipping it to Gym's gun emporium,
you don't really want Gym's Gun Emporium on your shipping
label's Unfortunately, there are sticky fingers between point A and B,
so your tag might print out as Jim's Emporium or
jg Imporium, but it'll be sanitized in a way that
(05:06):
it's not going to scream about what the contents of
the package are.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
That's clever.
Speaker 5 (05:10):
Yeah, we thought that was a nice additional layer of security.
And then you know, if you are a private individual,
it's verifying that's a real legitimate FFL. You know, Unfortunately
these days it's it's a little hard to trust anything.
So just having that secondary backup lets you know it's
going to a legitimate, valid place.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
So you have you have a database of all the FFLs,
so you actually verified this is an FFL number, and
then when the FFL number comes up, you put the
correct address in to verify and make sure that this
package actually goes to this FFL.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
Yeah, that's exactly right. That's you know, part of our
arrangements with the shippers to make sure that we're absolutely
sending it to the right spot. So you know, you know,
you don't say you're sending it to Bruce Gray and
then it goes somewhere else should cut down on you know,
even just if you're like me, you're constantly hitting the
wrong key and it's on your flipped a cup numbers
and right package goes to Poughkeepsie instead of California.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
Awhaere Okay, So how do we do this? I mean,
do you go? You start at the gunbroker dot com website. Yep.
Speaker 5 (06:09):
If you're not already set up with a gun broker account,
just gunbroker dot com and how to become a seller.
There's a quick easy linked at the bottom.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
Of the page.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
It'll walk you through the registration process. Again pretty simple
if you're already set up. It's even easier than that.
It's gunbroker dot com slash shipping and that's going to
land you right on the front page of the tool.
There is an FAQ link at the top if you've
got some questions. But after the first thing that's going
to ask is, you know, how do you want to
ship at FFL delivery, you know, Postal, other carriers and
(06:39):
what are you shipping? So it walks you through.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
Everything that is slick, I mean, and look, I get it.
It's helpful to gun broker to make it easier for
people to ship guns, to send guns. But this is
going to help everybody, whether they're selling or repairing or
any well, it's been a real problem for a lot
of us for quite a while now.
Speaker 5 (06:58):
Yeah, and that's exactly how he looked at it. You know,
this was something we obviously were hearing feedback from sellers,
both FFL sellers looking for an easier way to do it,
but also just private individuals, And once we'd come up
with a solution for that, we thought, you know, why
limit this. This is a problem all gun owners face.
We should open up for everybody. And you know, Tom,
you'll get a kick out of this one. The person
(07:18):
are the people I've probably heard the most about feedback
from have been our meet friends in the media who
always have test guns that they've got to get back
to the manufacturer. You know, making their life easier has
made a lot of them happy.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
People don't understand telling me, I get a lot of
these guns in and then I have to send them
back and I'm always having to tell my local law
FFL when I get them in, save the shipping box
because I am going to have to return this gun
to the manufacturer.
Speaker 5 (07:43):
Yeah, so you know, we figured if it was good
for one one segment, it's great for the entire segment.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
Well, exactly, great idea, al I appreciate what you guys
are doing, and just go to the gunbroker dot com
website and it goes from there. Blliant man, I appreciate it, Tom,
thanks for having us on you bet you, thank you
all right, don't go far. Gun Talk will be right back.
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You've helped me be more knowledgeable and how to talk
about the subject quickly and get to the point. I
have been smarter, more knowledgeable, more helpful, and more prepared
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because of you, Tom Gresham and your amazing show, which
I can't live without. So thanks for thirty years, and
I'll look forward to anymore.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
All right, Welcome to gun Talk. I'm Tom Gresham, your host.
We're gonna be talking about guess what guns, as we
always do around here. If you'd like to be a
part of this. If you'd like to call in, it's
just the easiest thing in the world. The number is
Tom Talk Gun. It's me and what we do right,
Tom Talk Gun, And really doesn't matter what you want
to talk about. We're kind of all over the place.
(11:33):
You know. I can't keep a thought going in a
particular direction for very long anyway, so you might as
well take it in the direction you want to go in.
There could be a gun you're thinking about buying one,
you just purchased, an experience you had at the range.
Maybe you've decided to get into competition. But frankly, word
likely the primary reason you own guns is for personal protection,
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your safety, safety of your family. And can I just
say that, if you're listening to this, you probably are
more advanced than most people. Frankly, you know, more you
think about this more, you probably take more action in
terms of preparing and making sure that you are competent.
Having said that, maybe not, maybe not. Maybe you just
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bought a gun and say, okay, I'll have a gun
for self defense, and then you kind of think, yeah, okay,
I got a gun for self defense. You know, it
doesn't really work like that. It just doesn't work like that.
The gun is just a tool. The real safety, the
real competency is you, and it's a combination of a
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lot of different things. It's not can you shoot and
hit a target? I mean, that's part of it, certainly,
but it's how do you choose a gun? Which gun
do you choose? What animal do you chase? Do you
carry a gun? Do you just keep it at the house?
Where do you keep it at the house? How do
you have your gun equipped? And if you carry a
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gun with you when you're walking around, how do you
carry it? You carry it inside the wat span, outside
the wat span, holster appendix, carry, pocket carry or do
you just stick it to the console of your car
or truck and call that protection, Which, as I pointed out,
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when you step out of your car, you don't have
it with you anymore. If you have to step out
in a hurry, take off, run, you don't have it
with you anymore. Even if you said, well, i'll take
it out of my holster and then I put it
in the console. Great, something happens and you've got to
bail out fast, you don't have it with you anymore. So,
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just wondering if you had to pick a place where
you are on the spectrum not no no, no, no no,
not that spectrum, the spectrum of preparedness. Where would you
place yourself? Are you happy with where you are? And
if not, what, if any plans do you have to
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move your position along this timeline or spectrum of preparedness
from completely unaware and don't have a gun on one
side to I don't know what the ultimate would be
on the other side. You know, super Ninja carry dude
with fourteen guns on you. It didn't give the time
you laugh. It is a fun thing we've done. I've
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done it. In fact, a lot of people have done
it actually on video and other places. You know, how
many guns can you carry the time I got to
twenty five? At one point I was carried and I'm
talking about me carrying in front of a bunch of people,
including cops, and they did not know I was carrying
a single gun. And then in the middle of my talk,
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I started pulling out guns and I was carrying twenty
five pistols on my body and nobody knew it. It
was kind of fun, actually, when I think about it,
to watch the cops and their eyes get bigger and
bigger as I'm pulling out guns and you could almost
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hear them thinking, boy, we got to be more careful
about people when we're patting them down or checking them
for guns. Just you know, one of those and then
the last one. This was fun because the whole time
I'm drinking from like a big gulp drink and talking
to them, and I was wearing shorts. I didn't even
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have an angle hole strawn. And at the end I
reached down inside this big gulp which I actually had
watered I'd been drinking from, and pulled out a North
American Arms Mini Revolver. It was down in the water. Yes,
it was soaked in water and came out, but it
would have would have functioned. It would have worked a
lot of different ways to carry a gun. Hey, let's
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grab bread online two out of Topeka, Kansas. Hey, Brad,
you're on gun Talk. What're you doing here? Tom?
Speaker 10 (16:08):
A couple of months ago I talked to you about
switching from kay Dex to a leather holster, and I
contacted Simply Rugged Holsters and talked to the owner out
there and got me a very very nice holster from them.
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About a ten day turnaround. Got it. Knox Blood and
it is just wonderful, wonderful craftsmanship. So I give them
a little plug here on the radio. It's just fantastic.
The field of leather instead of kindex is you know,
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so great. And I couldn't find anything over the counter,
you know, from some of these major companies make homes,
and so I just wanted to thank you for that
good advice.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
Well, let me ask you. I mean, you know that
going from kay deecs to leather to a lot of
people sounds like you have put your transmission in reverse
and gone back in time. Right.
Speaker 10 (17:18):
Well maybe so, but you know, I just love that feel.
And you know, this thing's going to last one hundred years.
It's going to be someone's going to be worrying this
long after I'm gone.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
So what was it about kaydacs that you either weren't
happy about or wasn't just you couldn't find a hole
so that would work for your gun?
Speaker 10 (17:41):
Well, you know that was the main thing. I couldn't
find anything for my light attachment and my red dot.
I contacted a couple of major companies said well, you know,
we don't have anything really will set that light that
you have on it. Because I had a a sig
Fox Trot one X and so that was a problem.
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But I don't know, It's just a great holster. And
the kite x you know, some of those. I've got
some cheap ones. They're you know, they're thin.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
And.
Speaker 10 (18:19):
I just don't like them. You know, I've got a
number of them, and I've got some leather holsters for
my revolvers and things. But this is just they do
a great job.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
Out which way did you go to? You go inside
the waistbander outside the waist, this one both.
Speaker 10 (18:35):
I can wear it both ways, depending on, you know,
how I feel. I've got straps that I can take off,
and men just wear it regularly on my hip.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
Is there. And look, I get it because I like
leather holsters, and I almost feel guilty when I do it,
and people go, well, yo, you're a boomer, you're an
old guy. Yeah, I am both of those things. But
I also like them because and I get to try
everything and I get to use everything. But there is
something about a quality leather holster that's just fun or
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enjoyable or something.
Speaker 10 (19:11):
Yeah, it's you know, once you try him, I don't know.
I don't think I'll ever go.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
Back isn't that interesting. I mean, and you know that's
kind of going against the grain, so to speak, or
leather grain. You get it in terms of kaydex is
where everything is moving well and kay deex is generally
less expensive. But then again, I like what you said
if when you buy a really good quality of leather holster,
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you feel like, man, this thing's gonna outlive me.
Speaker 10 (19:42):
Oh yeah, definitely. And now you know this wasn't inexpensive.
This is probably the most money ever spent on a ulster,
but it's darn well worth it.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
Simply Rugged Holsters, simply Rugged dot com. They just do
a really good job. They've got a lot of good stuff.
They got a lot of good people there who are
making holsters for them all the time. And you can
get simple to fancy you or get them dolled up
however you want. I've got two or three of theirs
and robing their crew. They just do a really good
job over there.
Speaker 10 (20:13):
Oh yeah. And you know you can get anything else
from them, for belts to you know, mag holders and everything,
so they have a lot to offer.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
I'm just yeah, you know, you are actually a turn
in the favor because as you're talking to me. I'm
going on to the website. Then I just found another
holster that I like. This is not good. I'm looking
at this good. Huh, that's a good looking holster. Oh
look they've got a matching mag pouch for it. Holy cow. Yeah,
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here we go. Right.
Speaker 10 (20:46):
Well, this this aux Blood is just beautiful. It's it's
just great cool.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
We're very good. Well, look, thank you for the range Report.
I'm glad that they took care of you. I mean
I knew they would. It's like there are companies I
can recommend and just go, Okay, this is to work
out really well for everybody. So it works out great.
So thank you so much. I appreciate that. Don't forget
to tell Rob and the crew there that you like
your holster. It's always good to say thanks. I love
the range Reports. We get a lot of calls from
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people who are very happy with the products they get.
We're fortunate with our activity. Whether it's an advocation or
you have guns for self defense or you're a competition shooter.
The companies in this industry, farm's industry, not just guns,
the AMMO, the guns, the accessories, everything generally take really
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good care of us. And if there's a problem, they
go back and take care of that as well. And look,
stuff gets made. Sometimes there's a problem, not all that often.
Oh I just saw this. The Simply Rugged also now
has the Wilderness Renegate ankle Holster, which I think is
one of the best ankle holsters ever made. Interesting, I
did not know that they head, so if you're thinking
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about an ankle holster, you might take a look at
that as well. But yeah, they look at the leather holsters.
I think you'll like them. Our number here is eight
sixty six Talk Gun. I'm Tom Gresham. When we are
open lives waiting for you. Alrighty back with you, Tom
(22:23):
Gresham Here it's gun Talk. By the way, if you
want to follow me over on x formerly known as Twitter,
I am at gun Talk over there. If you are
somebody who follows me over there day, you might want
to call in and kind of give a range report
on X and what we do over there as well.
It's a fun place, it's a weird place. It's got
lots of politics involved. And then sometimes, like this morning,
(22:46):
you just need a break. So I just posted a
pretty picture of a pretty rifle at a pretty setting,
just kind of like everybody, sit back, take a deep breath,
smell that mountain there. Get away from politics for a
minute or two. Didn't last very long because speople are
that for politics. That's okay, it doesn't matter. We're having
fun if nothing else. Right, Let's see here Michael Line four, Dallas, Texas,
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traveling videographer talk to me, Michael.
Speaker 11 (23:16):
Yes, that's all I do now. I basically just travel
and I have that little bitty video. I have a
YouTube channel and it's primarily about guns, and I may
carry up to fifteen different type of weapons. Ar's the pressors, pistols,
and I'm always worried about being in New Mexico or
Colorado and getting pulled over and having.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
To root it in.
Speaker 11 (23:38):
I'm not a terrorist.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
Okay, let's go through that first of all, you really
this is serious. You really do need to know the
laws of every state you go into, and it's a
pain in the rear. But if you're going into a
state where they limit the capacity of magazines, you had
better be paid attention to that. Yeah.
Speaker 11 (24:03):
I just found out in Colorado that it was I
think it was Max and ten and I almost I
almost had a canips and.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
I had to do it, and that's why towards the right,
that's why I mentioned it because I figured, if you're
going to Colorado and you've got ars, you probably are
not aware of their ten round limital magazines. You need
to be aware of that. Now, let's talk for a second.
When you're traveling with the guns and suppressors and things,
do you have them generally in hard cases?
Speaker 11 (24:32):
Yes, except for maybe like one.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
Well, I mean, to carry gun is a different deal.
If you've got a carry gun, you've got it on you,
that's that's a different issue. But if if you've got
a bunch of guns in the back and they're in
hard cases, especially if they're locked, which it's like, go
buy some cheap locks and just throw them in there.
Now you can say, okay, they're all locked, you're statisfying
the laws as you travel. They're locked and away from you.
(24:58):
Rule number one, don't volunteer any information during the traffic stop, right,
So you just answer, you know, do you have any
guns in the car? Yes, sir, you know what do
you have? Well, i'm where I'm wearing a gun. I've
got to carry ford. Stop talking. And now if they
say are there any others? You know, you could you
answer them honestly, but generally speaking, just don't volunteer any information. Okay, Okay. Now,
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having said that, if they say, you know, typical cop deal.
Do you mind if I look in the car? Or
you don't mind if I take a look at the car?
Do you the answerests I'm sorry, officer, I don't consent
to searches.
Speaker 11 (25:40):
I'd say, okay, I would say ahead, No I figured out.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
No, No, it's a bad idea. No, you have no
idea what the CoP's going to come out of that
car with. You have no idea what law you may
have broken inadvertently. You don't know if it's guy or
gal is just having a bad day and just wants
to hassle you. The the answer is, I'm sorry, officer,
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I don't consent to searches. And then you kind of
go through this round about, well, what's the what's the deal?
You're hiding something? I just don't concert consent to searches. Well,
what's the deal? You know? You know I can look
at it if I want to say, well, you know,
I understand, but I don't consent to a search. Now,
if if the officer decides he or she's going to
look in your car, then that's gonna happen. Don't try
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to stop it. If they say, well, you know, we're
gonna call, We're gonna handcuff you, put you on the
side of the road, and it could be a couple
of hours before someone can get it with the dog.
The answer to that is, you know, officer, I just
don't consent to searches, or if you want to make
it further than that. So you know, uh, my cop
friends and my attorney friends tell me I should never
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consult consent to searches. So I'm gonna go with what
they tell me, and you just end up saying the
same thing over and over. Generally speaking, they're going to go, oh, okay,
I mean they were just trying. They were fishing. But no, no, no, no, no,
you never never give consent to go inside your car.
Speaker 11 (27:10):
I'm not glad I called. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
Yeah. I mean there is a spectrum of you know,
it's a bell curve and everything. There's a spectrum of officers,
and a lot of them are very good and good,
honest people and would love to have a conversation with
you about guns. Some of them really don't like the
fact that you own guns at all and would like
a chance to hassle you. You don't know who you're
dealing with. There's no point in opening that door. There's
no benefit to you in opening the door. But there's
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sure could be a problem here. So you know, make
sure you know the laws, make sure you obey the laws.
Guns that are in the back of the car in
hard cases and locked, and you know, sorry, officer, I
don't consent to searches. That's the end of it. And
they said, well, why is that. I just you know,
I just don't consent to searches. You just say the
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same thing over and over again. You don't try to
explain it, you don't anything else. Remember, you're not trying
to show you're a good guy. You're not trying to
have a conversation. You're just trying to get out of
there with the shortest amount of time, with the fewest
number of words said. Don't have a conversation.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Okay, fair enough, Okay.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
All right, you'll be fine. Just be informed and take
action in terms of travel smart that isn't traveled intelligently,
and you'll be just fine. Okay, all right, Thanks Mike,
appreciate that. Hey, Bruce, start going anywhere, I'm gonna get
your next up. But we do have room. If you'd
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like to join this, give me a call right now.
Clearly we will go in any direction or sometimes all
directions at the same time. Rudderless, that's me.
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Speaker 4 (31:14):
All right, you want to be a part of this,
Just give me a call eight sixty six Talk Gun
or Tom Talk Gun. Bruce did that. He's in Minnesota.
Hey Bruce, what are you looking at here?
Speaker 14 (31:24):
Moon, sir, Well, I'm looking at the Browning Expot two Speed.
I think it's a nice looking firearm. It's a little
high on my price range. But I'm wondering, because it
is you can move the columb in the length to pull,
if there are other firearms in that price range or
cheaper that are comparable. I'm looking at three o eight
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because I have a plethora of that calender.
Speaker 4 (31:54):
Well, let me ask you this. I will directly answer
your question a minute, but I got a questions for you. Certainly,
do you have a preference for the Browning because you
mentioned that, and generally people when people do that, they
go to that because you think, man, I'd really like
to have a Browning.
Speaker 14 (32:12):
No, sir, I am not brand specific.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
Okay, all right, because where I was going to go
with that is, if that's the one you really want,
Let's get away from saying is there's something cheaper, Just
get the one you really want, because you'll be frankly,
you'd be unhappy if you got something less than it.
But if you're not really locked in on the Browning,
then yes, there are other guns available. The Ruger American
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series certainly comes to mind. Savage has some that are
fairly inexpensive, with adjustable stocks and combs and things. I'm
trying to think there was somebody else that was coming
to mind, and I'm just pulling a blank on it
right now, But there are several out there that would
work for you. What are you going to do with
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the rifle?
Speaker 14 (32:58):
This is zero hunting. I'm primarily and shooting two three
four hundred yards just target blinking.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
Okay, that's not that big of a challenge. Then let
me ask you this then, going all the way back
to your initial question, what is it about having adjustments
on the stock that appeals to you.
Speaker 14 (33:21):
More customization comfort? I would imagine that. And I'm getting
up there in age where the heck with it? I
want to spend my money and have a nice rite.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
I love it. That's a good, honest answer that I
want what I want, right, That's okay, Well, you know, honestly,
look around. I'm just going to make a suggestion here.
It's easy for me to spend your money. I'm really
good at spending other people's money. Find the one you
want without looking at the price tag, and then get
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that one.
Speaker 14 (34:00):
You know, they do make Browning does make one. It's
called a composite. It's just the blackstock where the two
speed is stercoat with a bronze bolt. So it's a
little bit more pricey, it's sexy looking, I'll say that.
Speaker 4 (34:18):
Well, here's what I have found through the years. Every
time I said I really want this one, but I'm
going to get this other one because it's a little
less expensive, I have ended up being unhappy and regretted
not getting the one I really wanted. Because after you
buy the one you want, after about a month, or
actually after about an hour, you won't care about how
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much you spent, because you're going to say, I love
this gun, and it just doesn't matter. Now as I say,
it's easy for me to spend your money for you,
but my experience is within if you can make it
work with the budget, honestly, seriously, get the one you
really want.
Speaker 14 (34:56):
Okay, yeah, that makes sense. I just I guess I
was looking for confirmation on my my Uh, I guess
I understand.
Speaker 4 (35:10):
Oh yeah, Jim just messes Tika as another prosperity. Look,
there are a lot of really good rifles out there
these days, you know, Tika, Ruger, Savage, Winchester. I mean,
go down the line, Uh, look at all of them.
If you can get them in your hands, if you
can find a gun store that has a good supply,
take a look at him. But honestly, really seriously, UH,
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think about if you're next year and you bought the
one that was almost as good as the one you want,
You're not gonna be happy with it. You're gonna wish
you bought the one you wanted.
Speaker 14 (35:40):
Yeah, I understand that it's kind of hard though. I'm
in central Minnesota and the nearest fairly large gun store
would be uh Fargo or down towards Saint Cloud in
the city. Yeah, maybe makes shopping a little bit more interesting.
Speaker 4 (35:58):
I understand it is it is, you know, and maybe
you can poke around. But then again, maybe it's a
field trip. Say hey, we're gonna go on a road trip.
We're gonna go gun shopping for a day or something. Look,
I got to keep running here. I appreciate the call.
Good luck with that search. Let me talk with Brenda,
who is uh calling out of North Carolina. Hey, Brenda,
you're on gun Talk. How can we help you?
Speaker 11 (36:18):
Thank you.
Speaker 15 (36:20):
I'm interested in that, but I play that recruitory people,
and I don't pay the knowledge that the knowledgeable and
I need about to guide me. What's the best pistoms
for me to buy? I don't want anything to say,
because I want baby lived, so I don't know.
Speaker 4 (36:38):
What to buy, right, I understand it's it's very hard
for me to make a recommendation without knowing what you
your your background is, or what you Let me ask
you a question, are you going to carry this gun
or you just going to keep it at home?
Speaker 14 (36:56):
Keep it at home?
Speaker 4 (36:58):
Okay, then don't buy a real super small gun. Typically
a lot of women want to have a little small gun.
The problem is the smaller the pistol gets, the harder
it is to shoot well, and the more it kicks
and recoils. A little bit larger and heavier gun it's
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much easier to shoot. And I'm going to just say
this on the front end. If you get a gun
for protection, you must go out and shoot it. You
can't just buy a gun and load it and keep
it the house and think it's going to do you
any good at all. Okay, that I'm going to suggest
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you take a look. Now you're in your seventies, I
gather right, Okay. Smith and Wesson makes a pistol called
the Equalizer and the or you look at one that's
called the e Z from Smith and Wesson, and it
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is very easy to work the slide, work that slide
with these, and I think something like that would work
for you. But here's where I'm going to recommend. Find
a shooting range in your area and ask them if
they have an instructor that you could get some time
with at the shooting range and try two or three
different guns. It's going to be some of the best
(38:23):
money you ever spent. Go to a shooting range and say, look,
do you have an instructor I could hire for an
hour and have I was going to try several of
your different rental guns and that process you're going to
find something that works for you. So much better to
try it before you buy it than to buy one
and then it doesn't work out for you. I wish
you a lot of luck with Brenda. Thank you, thanks
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so much for colling. You take care of yourself, all right,
there you go. I mean try before you buy. It's
always a good idea. Our number is eighty six six
Talk Gun or Tom Talk Gun. We're pretty much open lines.
What are you carrying these days? And how do you
carry it? Oh? This is interesting. This came out a
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couple of days ago the US Department of Justice under
Pam Bondy announces a Second Amendment pattern or practice investigation
into California's Los Angeles County. This is from the Office
of Public Affairs at the Department of Justice. Let's see
(39:36):
the Justice part of Justice's Civil Rights Division announced an
investigation into Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department to determine whether
it is engaging in a pattern or practice of depriving
ordinary law abidings Californians of their Second Amendment rights. Here's
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what's going on the Sheriff's department there is dragging it
its feet in terms of issuing carry permits. We're talking
more than a year, sometimes two years to get your
carry permit. This is ridiculous. Well, literally all they have
to do is the background check. So the new under
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new management Department of Justice, Donald Trump's Department of Justice said,
you know, we're going to go take a look at
this and we're going to see if there's a pattern
or practice of discrimination here. This has teeth to it
because the DOJ is almost definitely going to send in
its Special Litigation section. This is like scary words to
(40:46):
the Sheriff's department in LA. The special Litigation section has
literally never lost a case, not a single case win.
They're gonna win, and there's a lot of things they
can do. And one of them. Think about this, those
of us who grew up in the South and know
(41:08):
about this, they can enter into a consent decree. For
a number of states in the South, for decades, the
education department worked under a consent decree from the federal government.
That is, the federal government ran the education departments in
(41:28):
these states. The La County Sheriffs Department could be forced
to enter into a consent decree where the US Justice
Department runs their program on conceal carrey. And this wouldn't
be like, Okay, we're going to do this for two weeks.
This could be for two decades. Now, given you have
(41:48):
a different president, you have different Department of Justice. But
I'm just saying that this is very promising because we
weren't sure what was going to come out of the
Pam Bondie Justice Department. She had a mixed record in Florida,
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supported red flag laws, lack of due process for gun owners.
But this is good. This is really good. We'll see
where it goes. But this is a whole lot more
than nothing. This is a kind of a big deal.
So I'll keep you posted as that goes forward. But yeah,
you know you've got places that simply say sheriff's departments,
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police departments, governmental entities. Is is that we don't care. We
don't care what the Supreme Court say is, we don't
care what the ruined decision is. We don't care that
we are stripping people of their constitutional rights. We don't
like people having guns, and we're going to do everything
we can do to keep people from having guns, whether
it's putting additional taxes on guns, putting waiting periods on
(42:55):
buying guns, having limits on the ages of citizens, adult
citizens who can buy guns. But now you have the
US Justice Department coming in and saying, yeah, and that's
really not how it works, and we have the hammer
of thor we can drop down on you. And I
(43:17):
think that's exactly what's going to happen here. Fascinating, really
interesting something effect tell you what, in a minute, we're
going to have an update of what's actually going on
the real story and what's going on with Second amendic
cases in the courts. From an absolute constitutional Second Amendment expert,
you do not want to miss this time time aggression
this is gun talk.
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