April 23, 2025 • 40 mins
In this episode of Gun Talk Nation, we bring you exclusive insights from LeverFest, a special media event celebrating the red-hot lever-action rifle market. Host Ryan Gresham is joined by JJ Reich of Federal Premium Ammunition to explore groundbreaking ammo innovations and deep-dive into topics every firearms enthusiast will love.
Key Topics Covered:
Key Topics Covered:
- Lever-action rifle calibers: .45-70 Gov’t, .44 Magnum, .45 Colt, .357 Magnum
- New HammerDown ammo optimized for lever guns
- Self-defense ammo insights: .22 LR Punch, .327 Federal Magnum, Hydra-Shok Deep
- Introduction of 7mm Backcountry: high-pressure cartridge made for suppressor use
- Subsonic rounds and suppressed hunting advantages
- Discussion on future trends: .32 caliber resurgence, revolver and suppressor fest ideas
- Shotgun ammo updates: paper hull nostalgia & sporting clays innovation
- Federal Premium: HammerDown, Hydra-Shok Deep, .22 LR Punch, Fusion, Terminal Ascent
- Vortex Viper Shotgun Enclosed Micro Red Dot
- Smith & Wesson CSX E-Series
- Ruger RXM
- Savage Revel .22
- Range Ready Training facility overview
- Lever guns and legacy firearms
- Ballistics, cartridge design, and hunting ammo
- Suppressors and tactical firearm setups
- New ammo tech and bullet bonding processes
- Real talk from industry insiders and gear nerds
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
So when you're squirrel hunting with this uppressor, you want
to shoot the ones on low branches so that they
fall to the ground. You don't want to shoot the
high ones first because then the ones in the low
branch will see the one falling and know something's up.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
I'm Ryan Gresham and this this is guntog Nation. This
Gun Talk Nation is brought to you by Smith and Wesson,
Range Ready, Ruger and Vortex. Hey, welcome into gun Talk
(00:38):
Nation this podcast. So this week we're doing a special event,
lever Fest, and lever Fest is a media event all
celebrating lever action guns because they're hot. Right now, My
guest is JJ Reich. Correct, all right? You know, I
always want to make sure I'm saying people's names right.
And then what's funny is when people go is that right,
(01:00):
They're like whatever. I'm like, no, No, there's there's a
right way. There's a there's a correct way. JJ. You
work with Federal Ammunition. You came down, you sent us
a variety of stuff to use for lever Fest, but
we'll also talk about what's new with with Federal in general,
because you got some really new stuff, including a brand
new cartridge that was released earlier this year.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Yes, so when you invite me on something like this, well,
first of all, you didn't even have to finish your sentence,
and I wanted to come down for lever Fest like
that's that's awesome. So I really chose a lot of
target and kind of plinking ammo yeah to bring for
down here. And that's great because you get a lot
of coverage on your legacy type you know, product lines
(01:42):
as Yeah, I've been for a long long time, and
that's what you need to shoot. You want to shoot
some FMJ and you want to you want to pull
the trigger a lot, so you want to get some
some target AMMO. But the real beauty of these events
are all the conversations you have at breakfast and lunch
and dinner and all allays. It always comes down to
what do you have new this year?
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Sure?
Speaker 1 (02:04):
No, Sure, So I knew we're gonna get a tony
coverage on our AMMO just in general.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
But the real beauty of meant like this is.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Talking about the new stuff.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
With the Yeah and just kind of just reacting to
what we've been doing the last day and a half
or so with these guns. I mean, you've got you
know the ones we have here. We've got forty five
to seventy Yep, we've got forty four mag. We've got
forty five Colt, which those three at forty five seventy
obviously big boomer, But I'm impressed with the forty five
(02:34):
Colt and the forty four mag. You can that's a
real versatile one. Depending on the ammo, you can say,
I want this to be easy shooting, or I want
it to be optimized for self defense, or it could
be I want to, I mean, shoot big animals.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
With this, correct, depending on the load, Yeah, exactly. So
that's the beauty of anything.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Really.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
It's like people say, well, what what Carson Jo you're shooting,
and really doesn't really matter what cartridge you're shooting, And
what matters is what bullet you're shooting. That's the secret,
that's the secretly asking that question, you know.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Asking the wrong question.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
And one of my friends she used to say, the
bullet delivers your intention to the target, so you can
really tailor the load to what you're doing. And I
think that's one of the cool things about lever guns
and the cartridges, the calibers that we're chambered in here
that you can really do.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
That right, And it also kind of boils down to
especially for hunting loads, it's the only thing that actually
connects to the animal, right, right, So why would you
chintse on something like that? Right?
Speaker 3 (03:43):
So if you have especially if you're.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Going to Africa or or it's kind of quote unquote
hunt of a lifetime, it's the only thing that connects
with the animal. So why wouldn't you get like the
best possible jectile you can for that?
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Well, I mean when people wound an animal or have
to track an animal, maybe it's a bad shot, but
there are times when you were using the wrong bullet
or the bullet didn't perform like you wanted. Depending there's
all in a number of factors, it could be right.
But if you use the right bullet the right ammo,
(04:17):
it can really make that difference where you can anchor
that that critter right where you shot.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
It right right. And so that's immediately why I really
wanted to come down here because of hammer Down. Hammer
Down is our lover gun optimized cartridge and really kind
of putting me on the spot here. I think it
was five or six years ago, but it might be longer.
I've been there fifteen years.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
So a lot of different loads to remember.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
They're kind of blendy, you know, but I would say
it's relatively new, and it is optimized for lover guns.
It is optimized for hunting with lover guns, okay, And
a lot of lover guns are pist caliber carbings four
mags forty five COLT three seven magnum. And so what
(05:08):
we did is we took any of those cartridges for
that are popular in the lever gun platform and we
put bonded hunting bullets in there. Oh wow, heavy for caliber.
Bonded hunting.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
So it holds together into animals and it and maybe
I'll be even more specific, when it hits hard stuff too, Right,
it holds together. If you could hit bone and stuff
like that, it's going to keep going.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Yeah, So when you hit, when the bullet hits the animal,
you wanted to keep its weight retention for as long
as possible so that it penetrates deeper. But you also
want to program that bullet so that it also opens
and has a wide wound channel as well. So you
want that bullet expansion and you also want the bullet penetration.
And so with bonding you're basically taking the core, the
(05:56):
lead core, and then the copper jacket and you're using
those together.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
How do they fuse it?
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Well, I mean that's an engineering there's.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
A secret super glue.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
No, there's well kind of. I mean there's different ways
to bond a bullet. You can do like an electro
chemical heat process. You can do it all heat processed
with different things. So there's different ways to bond a bullet. Okay,
so we have different different ways to do it. So
for example, our fusion bullets is more of electro chemical
(06:31):
and then our terminal ascent is more of a heat chemical.
Interesting though, Yeah, there's different ways to do it.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
One of the things that we've observed even before Leverfest
getting all the guns ready because we had dozens of
guns we had to shoot and get ready, but also
during everyone shooting it three point fifty seven bag out
of a lever gun, that sucker hits hard.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
I've killed several deer with that.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Yeah, it is awesome and great for hunting. And you go, well,
it's kind of just it's a it's a revolver around. Yes, However,
out of a lever gun you're getting more velocity and Frankly,
it would probably be fantastic as a home defense rig too.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Definitely for sure. So really, when when you when you
think about optimizing cartridges like a threefty seven magnum, you
can take the bullet choice and you can optimize that
for personal defense, and you can program that bullet to
do what you wanted to do on that and you
can test it an FBI protocol GEL with all the
(07:35):
you know, venom tests and all that stuff, and that's
great for that particular purpose. And then you could also
take it and optimize it for rifles for hunting. And
then I just said with the bonded hunting bullets and
the heavier grain weights, and then we actually package that
in like a rifle looking box, so it's a two box,
you know, a longer box. So it's for rifle. But
(07:57):
now it's still safe to shoot in a pistol. Okay,
it's because of all the Sammy specs and so it's
still it's gonna be hot, it's gonna surprise, hold on,
but you can't do it. But you know, one one
story I knew I wanted to tell when I when
it came down here was getting my son into hunting.
(08:18):
So it's like, okay, finally I have Calvin, and he
gets he gets to go hunting. And so I take
Air fifteen and we're using bonded bullets trophy trophy bonded
tip from Federal. The heaviest green weight you can get
is sixty two. But you know with that and it's bonded,
that's gonna work on a deer.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
So I set all that up and then I also
take the three fifty seven magnum lover gun that I have,
put a scope on that, grab the hammer down, put
that out there, and I put him on the range
bench and I'm like, all right, Kelvin, you can hunt
with the Air fifteen and or you can hunt with
the three seven magnum lover gun. Yeah, and every everyone
(09:01):
or your your thoughts are the kid that's going to
pick the AR fifty.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
It just looks cooler and all that.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Yeah, that kind of their video game type thing. And
he's like, nope, I want I want the three fifty seven. Really,
he goes, I just love the way it just feels.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
I love the way, you know, reloading.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
It's just it looks cool, it sounds cool. It's just
I want to shoot that. Yeah, and because it's a
three fifty seven magnum cartridge, there's like no recoil. Now
there's not any recoil in the two two three either.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
But yeah, you're right. I mean it's it's what one
hundred and twenty five grain bullets somewhere in that ballpark.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
One hundred and seventy grain.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Oh, it's heavy.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
That's right heavy for calib So the two two three
is sixty two grains and the threefty seven magnum is
one hundred and seventy.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
It's like you're doing Yeah, I think that's almost eight
maybe yeah, three times as much almost.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Well, I mean so I was happy about that because
I'm like, okay, I want to that'sl heavier bullet hitting
the animal.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Yeah, it's I will say, we've tested some stuff this week.
Heavier bullets are impressive when you get into some of
that big stuff, you know, the three hundred and four
hundred grand bullets. Boy, yes, that's real impressive.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
I think that forty four mag is to seventy I believe. Yeah,
so you can really get some heavy bullets. And when
you have all that that weight retention and all that
mass hitting hitting the deer, it's going down.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
It's going down.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
And so he shot his first deer with that.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
He absolutely loved it, and it's just and he wants
to continue hunting with it.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
You know.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
One of the things that we kind of reacted to
shooting these lever actions. You run the gun. The gun
doesn't just run by itself. You make it happen. I
think that's why people like it. I think that's it's
an analog experience, a feeling, a kinetic type of thing. Also,
there could be an argument for well, you're running the gun,
(10:57):
so there is perhaps some more you have more control,
perhaps more reliability in certain ways when you come to
maybe a defensive use. So you know, the tactical lever
guns or a hot thing right now, yes, yes.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
So with the technical with the tactical guns being lever guns,
people are wondering what to use for am all there.
I mean, if you're really not too worried about over penetration,
I would just go with the hunting bullet. I would
just go with the hammer down. I mean, it's it'll do,
it'll do the job. Now, everything is going to do
the job. Like even if you did you know, an
HST that's a very popular round for.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
A defensive use.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Yeah, it's going to work on on a rifle, you're
going to have more velocity of course, case you have
a longer barrel, So it's it's going to open faster.
It's gonna be a little bit more violent. You might
lose a lot of weight. I mean, depending on what
the bullet is like, you might even lose.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
A pedal well. And also jj, I mean if it's
going a little bit faster, it opens faster, actually might
not penetrate as far.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
But you're gonna be a a wider, more violent Yeah,
which maybe actually what you might be looking for in
some close quarter type stuff. Sure, sure, yeah, yeah, No,
you're right, and especially if you're worried about over penetration
in that situation going through walls and whatnot. But also
hydro shock deep, that bullet is fantastic. That bullet does
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not care what you're shooting it out of. It doesn't
care if it's a short barrel, it doesn't care if
it's a long barrel. That thing is going to penetrate deep.
It's hydroshock deep. It's a modern version of hydro shock.
So hydroshock came out in the nineties late nineties and
that was a defense round. It's been around for decades
(12:45):
and really just most recently in the last ten years
or so or eight years, we redid that bullet. The
engineers that designed the bullet in the nineties, they're about
to retire late to you know, twenty tens, and before
they before they retired, they're like, you know what, we
want to redo. Wow, like everything we learned the last
(13:06):
twenty five years, that's cool. You want to go back
to that first design and we want to redo it.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Yeah, there's new technology, We've have lessons learned and all
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it's a twenty two caliber and they have it. I
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guess they have it coming in seventeen h twenty two
mag which is cool too, super accurate, very smooth actions.
Everybody's enjoying them, and I didn't realize, but you sent
us some new AMMO. That's twenty two ammo. Yes.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
So going back to the hammer Down, we brought that
hammered Down. It was it's a brand new product for
us in twenty twenty four, but we we talked about
a shot show in January. So yeah, it's so that
again is a heavier plated lead core bullet, but it's
optimized for the lever gun as far as you know,
(16:17):
being a heavier hunting bullet.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
And also it also is more of like a.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Match grade as far as it's got the nickel plated
casing and all that. We used to have the product
called Hunter Match, but now everything is going to hammer Down. Okay,
so it's really kind of our twenty two lur kind
of match grade hunting round. And we also put it
in three hundred and twenty five count boxes. Oh like,
why messed with fifty roundcounts when people are going to
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be shooting something like that.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Yeah, so it could be and I kind of I
kind of teased it with maybe a defensive thing, great
for hunting, right, Yes, but we were kind of saying, gosh,
I mean I think we were getting eleven and a
half inches of penetration into jail with a twenty two exactly.
I mean that's pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Yeah, it's it's again, it's going to perform, and that
extra velocity is gonna it's gonna soak up that extra
velocity and it's going to you know, it's gonna love
that extra velocity and even penetrate deeper. Then I also
brought the twenty two long rifle punch, and so that's
the defensive.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Okay, Okay, that's the defensive one.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
And it's really meant for semi autos and revolvers for
people who want to carry a twenty two LR or
have it for it. You know, it's everybody is different.
There's there's no one right, particular solution for self defense.
And so if people want to choose a twenty two
l R or a twenty two WMR, then we're gonna
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give them options for that.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
So, yeah, especially you're talking about the importance of bullets
and AMMO. If you're gonna use that as maybe like
my little backup gun or whatever, you better have some
good AMMO and it loaded into their right.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
So that is a solid bullet. There's no hollow point
or anything. It's just a flat faced bullet. It's a
very hard lead core and then it's nickel plated. The
case is also nickel plated, and it's very reliable as
far as priming and all that. And I think we
shout through gel too with it, right thing. Yeah, so
(18:13):
you know it, and it worked great. But it's also
meant it's also is meant to have deep penetration, but
it's also meant for that penetration not to overpenetrate. Yeah,
because over penetration in a self defense situation is never good.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
It's not good, all right, So but we got to
talk about I am a cartridge caliber nerd, okay. I
mean I grew up reading gun digest and and looking
at all the ballistics charts and just looking at like, oh,
the two twenty swift with this bullet is going forth
thirty nine feet per second. Just I nerd out on
(18:50):
this stuff. And so I like it when there's new
cartridges that we can talk about. Yea jam and there's
two we ought to talk about. I know you've got
stuff you want to talk about. The two I'm thinking
of the seven millimeter back country Yes, talk about that.
Tell me about it.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Well, I mean, you guys did a fantastic job covering
the seven million back country and.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
We had fun with it.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Yes, and your your dad's video was probably one of
my favorite videos out of all of them. Really very
short and sweet and if you can get that guy
to smile and just kind of be surprised on something
and chuckle. I mean he had a legitimate chuckle when
he said for the first time and.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
He's I mean, well, I apple doesn't fall far from
the tree. I mean, we liked the ballistics nerd stuff.
We'd like talking about what this, what this does, and
I think this is for regular people who maybe aren't
a ballistics nerd like I am. It needs a little
bit of explanation to go like, okay, well wait a man,
there's already seven mag there's these other things. Why why
(19:50):
does this cartridge exist? Why do you guys bring it out?
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Yeah, so, to start at ground zero, seven millimeter of
back country is a new big game cartridge. It's designed
for the suppressor in mind.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
That's kind of one of the keys that is.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Yeah, it's yeah, it's definitely the main point. And then
it's also designed well, really it's designed for high pressure.
So the seven millimeter back country is very cool because
it's great for suppressors. What helps make it great for
suppressors is the the pressure and the velocity that it
(20:28):
can get.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
So a lot of hunters are they've decided I like
hunting with a suppressor. And then once you do that
and you carry your regular gun, then you have it
thread and you put a five to seven inch suppressor
on it, you go, this is really long and unwieldy.
So then everyone's going to shorter barrels twenty two twenty
some people using eighteen inch barrels. Yes, you lose velocity
(20:52):
out of whatever cartridge you're shooting. I mean you lose
you lose velocity, It doesn't matter. This is just physics.
So you guys are optimizing this with higher pressures to
get more velocity out of a shorter barrel, so you're
not losing a performance. But how do you do that
and keep it safe? In Sammy Speck exactly, there's a secret.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
There's a secret, and it's all about the case technology.
At that point, cases are brass. You know, you can
have nickel plated brass and that kind of thing. But
really what we have here with the Suva Millium back
country is the peak alloy case. So it's not brass.
It's not brass. Okay, it's not steel. Okay, it's an alloy. Now,
(21:36):
they's steel in it, but there's also other stuff in
it too. And what that does is it allows for
the pressure for the case, the peak alloy case, to
take all the pressure, so that pressure isn't being distributed
out to the receiver of the chamber. That case is
taking it all, you know, and so it's not throwing
(21:57):
it back into the the bolt. It's not you, it's
take it's being able to take all the pressure and
then deliver that pressure down with the projectile down the barrel,
and you are able to get really good velocity out
of a short barrel. Yeah, because you're right. Seven million,
seven millimeter PRC is very popular. People want that that velocity,
(22:18):
but they're getting that velocity of a twenty four inch barrel.
You sure can on there all of a sudden, it's
thirty inch on wieldy, you know, yeah, branch kind of thing.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
So they want shorter barrels.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
We basically sauce people saying, well, I bought the seven million,
seven milliminire PRC, but it's so long, I just chopped
it down to eighteen inch barrel and it's like, well,
you just lost all the velocity that you bought.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
I mean, burning gunpowder is fun and all that, but
you know, like geez, yeah, yeah, I think it's it's
just a response to how people are hunting and what
they're using for their gear, certainly out west, I mean
people who are moving in doing spot in stock and
that type of thing. We took it on an elk
hunt right at the turn of the new year, and
(23:08):
so we got the guns ready here at I don't know,
we're about twenty feet above sea level, and we took
it to We drove sixteen hours to New Mexico. We
woke up in the morning.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
I saw the podcast on that.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Yeah, we hiked up the hill. Oh dude, we hiked
up the hill. We spotted some cow elk because we said,
how do you do By the way, guys, pro tip
for you great way to do a Western hunt. Do
a cow el hunt. I mean, if you're not worried
about the horns and all that stuff, and you're like,
I want to get like one hundred and seventy pounds
(23:44):
of meat, Yes, yeah, I'm down with this. I like, yeah,
I'm a big fan, a big fan of backstrap and
and it's just a real accessible hunt. I think it
just kind of sidebar there. But I think we were
at like seven thousand feet elevation. And I'll be honest
with you, JJ, we're a little busy around here. I
(24:05):
hadn't shot that gun yet.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Well, I also didn't send it to you like two
days before you left.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
You. Well, it's new cartridge. And look that's a chicken
egg thing too, which we'll get into new cartridge. But
who's chambering it? In rifle companies and all this stuff?
So you guys do great with that because there's a
bunch of people that are actually chambering this this load.
But four hundred yards on a cow elk, she goes down,
kJ shoots his, she goes down. It was just incredible.
(24:34):
And you had because you have these the bullets you're using,
there's not a lot of drop, but there's also not
a lot of wind drift. They're just really suited for
that type of hunting.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Yeah, it's a very flat shitting cartridge. Yeah, it's and
then the bullet options like you said there there there's
of course our terminal ascent, which is invest on the
bullet you can get. That's we had one seventy grain
and now so grain we have a copper option in
Barnes l RX. We are doing a heavy, really heavy
(25:05):
one with Burger at one ninety five grain. Yeah, then crazy,
yes it is. And then we have fusion and that
fusion is one seventy five grainsion tipped, and so that's
you definitely have your price point options and your different
bullet type options do so that's all great, but really
(25:26):
it's about the case technology. You know, people are writing
the story and they're like, it's the seven millimeter is
cool cartridge, but the case technology is why this story
is cool.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Yeah, it's innovation.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
We'll ask you about and what can we do in
the future for it? Sure, like what other cartridges can
we do for it?
Speaker 2 (25:42):
We're going to soup up the thirty five remington I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Well, yeah, there's there's guys at the office figuring out
what they're going to do.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Thirty thirty that goes, you know, six thousand feet per second.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
So you're basically are for sure adding at least for this,
you're adding one hundred and fifty defeed per second.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Yeah, and that does that does add to performance. Yes, Now,
you guys, I don't want to lose I don't want
to lose the ability to cover all the new stuff.
I mean, you guys have a bunch of other new stuff.
Is there anything in particular that you're excited about?
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (26:13):
So, actually, if you go to Federal Premium dot com
and then there is on the menu bar you say
this is Federal and then there's a big product section,
hit that and you'll and we every year we list
just the new products so I can scroll through that.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Can I ask you? I feel like there is this
little movement with thirty two's right, Yes there is. And
I noticed you guys had a new offering there. Yes,
I'll just tell you. I'm we're going to do some
content that's covering a bunch of different guns and AMMO
in thirty two. Like, I just think it's interesting talk
about this one.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
So, so cartridges in popularity, they just kind of ebb
and flow, you know, they have different they have ups
and downs, and right now thirty two is hot for
some reason. And so that's it's great because we have
thirty three twenty seven Federal Magnum. Yes, that is you
know something that is our proprietary cartridge that we did
(27:07):
in the late two thousands. That is really a badass cartridge.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
It is.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
It's absolutely fantastic.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
I mean, people who know the gun guys that I know,
when you get into talking about defensive revolvers and things
like that, they're like, oh, dude, three twenty seven Federal
is the magic sauce.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
And one of the things, you know, we worked with
H and R when they did their thirty two h
and R. When was that in the eighties or something. Oh, yeah,
we definitely work with them on that, and then we
took that thirty to H and R and we we
created three twenty seven Federal off of that, and so
it really it really is a cartridge that acts like
(27:49):
a three fifty seven magnum Yeah, but it's a smaller,
smaller bullet and.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
You can usually get an extra round in the gun, right.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Yes, yep, compared to a revolver around three fifty seven magnum.
You definitely get next a round with that, and and
then you can also shoot the different thirty twos out
of that too, so you can chamber the thirty two
h and hour on that and some light stuff. Yes,
so it has it's very versatile and it's it's great,
(28:20):
and I think it's just when the gun manufacturers get
excited and start chambering new guns in these old cartridges,
that's when the AMMO companies need to step up and
you know, either create new products. This one is basically
our is our hydroshock deep. I touched on that earlier
in the podcast. It's it's an absolutely fantastic bullet that
(28:41):
we reinvented from old technology the nineties. That bullet is fantastic.
It doesn't care what guns shooting or what it doesn't
care what. Well, actually, we we program each bullet to
be for each cartridge, so we're not just taking oh,
okayend bullet and putting it in a interesting We actually say, okay,
(29:01):
well this is for thirty two, so.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
We know it's going to be going this fast. We
kind of need it to do these things right. It's
going to adjust how you manufacture.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
The bullet exactly. Wow. So we basically said, okay, well,
if you have a new thirty two ace R meg again,
well then here's modern new thirty two acean R animal
for it.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Very cool, yeah, very cool, And I mean we we
covered it last year and one of the new ones
that was the ultimate carry the UC the Smith and
Weston new jframe that they launched in conjunction with Lipsis,
And one of the options is getting it in thirty
two and you get six shots instead of five in
a J frame revolver. It's it's super fun and I've
(29:42):
got one. I'll shoot it with little light loads just
for funzies. But the hot stuff is still totally fine
to shoot. But it performs at distance on targets, it
performs into gail. We've seen it into different mediums. It's
really impressive stuff. JG. Is there anything else? As we're
kind of like getting ready to wrap up here, Guy,
(30:03):
I don't want to. There's so much new stuff from Federal.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
The best thing to do is again go to Federal
Premium dot Com right there on the on the menu
bar on top. As this is Federal, it kind of is.
That whole section is kind of who we are and
gives you all kinds of cool things to look at.
But new products is there, and then you can just
walk through all the new products.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
A lot of new shotguns stuff too. Yeah, so we did,
which I always enjoy the shotgun stuff. It's fun. I
mean because shotguns so versatile, right, I mean shotguns for waterfowl, upland,
target shooting, defensive stuff. I mean, there's just so many
things you can do with the shotgun.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Yes, So we have a new sporting plays load. It's
called Masterclass. That's absolutely great to check out. We have
a lot of new Well, one of my favorites is
going to be the upland paper.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
So it's paper.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
So it's that nostalgia, which is the paper halls is
what built the company in nineteen twenty two. And they
actually didn't become plastic halls until the fifties really, so
it's all papers then and into the sixties and then
we've always kept our paper halls in our target loads.
But for folks who are shooting that high end over
(31:23):
under or double barrel on a pheasant hunt and they
want that nostalgia and they want that paper hall. It
has a smell.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
I was going to talk about the smell. Everybody knows it.
You're like, oh, yeah, paper holls.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
So we got a lot of requests for that, and
so it's like.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Mama's cinnamon bread or something. It's just like, man, this
just makes me warm and fuzzy.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Yep, so look for that. It's it's Upland paper, so
it's it's it's cool. It's not target load, it's for pheasants.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
What's it? Uh? Is it available in variety loads? I
know we got a cheat sheet here. Yeah, we got
to use guys watching because there's so many different different
loads that they're doing.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
Yeah, we're doing six two and three quarter inch twelve
gauge or twenty gauge and we're doing four, five or
six shots nice. So typically has always been seven and
a half or eight four targets, but now we're doing
the larger shot size for Upland game.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Very cool.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
And then the Barnes RX. We mentioned that in southern
Milliner back country, but we're loading that copper bullet in
several other cartridges.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
People listen to this, they know I'm a fan of
solid copper bullets, monolithic bullets. They're kind of like talk
about don't care. They don't care you shoot them into stuff.
It just does its.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Job, right, And Barnes said, hey, we're doing a new one.
We're doing LRX now. So I'm like, okay, Well, so
Federal said, okay, we're going to load that now we
have that terminalist. Then of course we're doing a couple
of new rounds in that six five PRC three hundred
(33:01):
in terminals sent if.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
You're real mad, you're real mad at the critter, that's
the one.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
For the target side, we are finally doing the six
millimere arc.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
Oh, I've got Okay, that's a hot one these days.
Six millimeter arc. The long range guys are loving it.
They're loving that for precision rifle stuff and RL hunter stuff.
But here's the thing, guys, it's great for hunting.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Yes, we don't have a hunting round yet. Yeah, but
you know, the target guys for sure now have now
an option. Yeah, that's cold metal line.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
That's cool.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
HST.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
We're doing the forty four rem meg and HST. So
we're putting a lot of effort into personal defense ammunition
for the Revolver, which personally, and maybe you'll be mad
at me for saying this live on air, but maybe
next year you do a Revolver Fest.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Maybe we should.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
I think Revolver Fest would be cool.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
Look, you guys, last year we did five to seven
Fast because five to seven was kind of a it's
been around, but it had a little resurgence some people
were excited. Now we're doing lever Fest. That's been popular.
What's the next thing we should do? If you're listening
to this, I've got I have IDEASJJ. Let me tell
you all. JJ always has ideas. He's that guy. It's like, hey,
I got a suggestion for you. I got some ideas.
(34:20):
But that's what we do with these things, right, we brainstorm.
There was somebody's close to me says, sometimes we just
need to drink about it. Sure, we come up with
some concepts. You know, drink wisconsibly, drink wisconsinably. Yeah he's
from Wisconsin, and yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
But my best idea is come when I'm not drinking.
And my wife has told me that. But anyway, I
would say revolver Fest. I also like suppress Fest. I
think that that. I think that when people come up
to me and ask me, Hey, thinking about buying a
new gun, what new gun should I buy? And I
and my answer over the last one or two years
has been, your next gun should be a suppressor. You
(34:57):
have because it is an FFL item, so it is
it is a gun, So your next gun should.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
Be a suppressor. If you already have a suppressor.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Your next gun should be another suppressor.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Yeah, most likely if you're a gun goofball like we are.
You listen to this thing. You probably have plenty of guns,
and I mean, look, i'll give you permission. You're allowed
to buy more guns.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
That's okay.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
I give you some comments.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
Yeah, you can never have too many guns.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
You can never have too many. Just one more is
the right number. But you probably don't have enough suppressors.
And look, you get the one. You're like, oh, yeah,
I get the one, and I can switch around. Where
you end up is where we end up is no, no,
like I want one for every gun. Like it's not
like I'm moving it around. I just like, have lots
(35:45):
of suppressors. You have to.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
I mean you have to have a room fire, you
have to have a thirty KLi you have to have
especially with you know, with some of the bigger cartridges
that are doing really well, like neither big ones. I
have a Magnum in the forty four, you need a
forty sive. So you need different ones. And then you also,
you know, if you have multiple guns and you don't
(36:07):
want to be switching them around, you want multiple suppressors.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
You could get k cans that are really short, So
if you don't want to add length to the gun,
you can do that a little short, fatty guy. Yeah,
there's all kind I mean, it's another world that you
can go in. And here's the thing. It's never been easier.
You used to used to be. It's going to be
away time. This has never been easier. We're talking weeks
(36:31):
sometimes days these days to get a suppressor. And you
can go through one of these guys like a silencer
Shop or silencer Central that make it super easy. And I,
I don't know, I can't. I think that the prices
are actually going to come down on suppressors. I think
that they're they're going to actually come down, but don't
(36:52):
I'm not saying wait, yeah, yeah, yeah, go ahead and
get some for sure.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
And I also think that when you look at friends
and you look what animal companies are doing. We came
out with the seven millioner back country because people are
hunting with suppressors. You know, hint, hint. We our sister
are affiliate company, CCI just came out with a new
suppressor Max with segmenting Holow point or I mean, go
(37:17):
out and do some squirrel hunting with a suppressor and
some segmented Holow points.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
I'd like to see what that does. I mean, you
have a blast, literally a blast.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
It's absolutely fantastic.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
You know, subsonic animals is popular.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
That's what I was going to get into. JJ's like,
you want to have fun. Yes, one way to have
fund guns is this is a big boomer boom wow.
You know, but it's also fun to shoot something like
we're shooting forty five seventy that's subsonic AMMO suppressed and
you know it's a big bullet, but it's like, yeah, yeah,
what just happened?
Speaker 3 (37:51):
That was it exactly?
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (37:53):
And then yeah, my son wants to hunt suppressed. I
mean I I shot my one of my first animals
with suppressor a couple of years ago, and I never
want to go back.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
I want to. Well, there's an advantage there too. I mean,
not only that you're helping your hearing, because let's be honest,
most people aren't wearing hearing protection when they're hunting. What sorry,
speak up, but like they're not wearing hearing protection. Also,
it reduces the recoil, so you're able to stay kind
of in the gun. Looking through the scope you can
(38:24):
see what happened. And it gives you some wiggle room.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
Well, a lot of people flinch because of the noise, right,
the noise hurts, especially if you have hearing damage. It
hurts even more blasting more so.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
I think people as far as recoil goes.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
I think people actually flinch, not because of the of
the hit to the shoulder, the push of the shoulder.
That's not it's actually it doesn't hurt. It's really over
your ears. I think people they don't want that.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
That's concussion becuse of feeling. Yeah, And then the other
part is just I mean I've seen it in person
where you shoot and maybe you need a second follow
up shot and the animal doesn't run away. Or if
you're hunting something like cogs or coyotes, squirrels, they stick around.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
The squirrel stick around. Yeah, yeah, they're not sure.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
Twenty two is very quiet.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
So when you're squirrel hunting with this suppressor, you want
to shoot the ones on low branches so that they
fall to the ground. You don't want shoot high ones
first because then the ones in the low branch will
see the one falling and know something's up.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
You know. That's have you ever read have you ever
heard about Audie Murphy, the World War two guy. No,
he was one of the most decorated veterans of World
War Two. He was a country dude. And one of
his stories is he learned this from I think he
was turkey hunting. And this is old school turkey hunting. Okay,
(39:46):
you shoot the rear ones first, okay, because they fall
and the ones in front don't realize it's happening. He
did that to Germans in World War Two. Sure, turkey shoot. Yeah,
but do you imagine if he had presser? Yeah, they
don't even know what's happening.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
I mean, yeah, So I think squirrels with suppressors.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
Plus, I think that suppress Fest would sounds good, sounds cool,
and would look cool on a T shirt. And my
guys are into the T shirt. So suppress Fest and
maybe happened next year the all right, all right.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
We're gonna put that in the bucket. I think that's
that's definitely a contender. Suppressed Fest. Yeah, all right, guys, JJ,
thanks for being with us. Anything else we ought to know?
Speaker 3 (40:27):
I think tell him I talked your ear off again.
I could. I could talk for.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
Days on this stuff. So I'm I'm like a happy
little pig and mud I love this kind of stuff,
and I really like it's really fun to hang out
with you, you know, so.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
I'm glad you're here. Man, this is fun. He is
the AMMO Daddy, JJ Reich Federal. Thanks for being with us.
That's it for us. We'll see you next time on
guntognation
So when you're squirrel hunting with this uppressor, you want
to shoot the ones on low branches so that they
fall to the ground. You don't want to shoot the
high ones first because then the ones in the low
branch will see the one falling and know something's up.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
I'm Ryan Gresham and this this is guntog Nation. This
Gun Talk Nation is brought to you by Smith and Wesson,
Range Ready, Ruger and Vortex. Hey, welcome into gun Talk
(00:38):
Nation this podcast. So this week we're doing a special event,
lever Fest, and lever Fest is a media event all
celebrating lever action guns because they're hot. Right now, My
guest is JJ Reich. Correct, all right? You know, I
always want to make sure I'm saying people's names right.
And then what's funny is when people go is that right,
(01:00):
They're like whatever. I'm like, no, No, there's there's a
right way. There's a there's a correct way. JJ. You
work with Federal Ammunition. You came down, you sent us
a variety of stuff to use for lever Fest, but
we'll also talk about what's new with with Federal in general,
because you got some really new stuff, including a brand
new cartridge that was released earlier this year.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Yes, so when you invite me on something like this, well,
first of all, you didn't even have to finish your sentence,
and I wanted to come down for lever Fest like
that's that's awesome. So I really chose a lot of
target and kind of plinking ammo yeah to bring for
down here. And that's great because you get a lot
of coverage on your legacy type you know, product lines
(01:42):
as Yeah, I've been for a long long time, and
that's what you need to shoot. You want to shoot
some FMJ and you want to you want to pull
the trigger a lot, so you want to get some
some target AMMO. But the real beauty of these events
are all the conversations you have at breakfast and lunch
and dinner and all allays. It always comes down to
what do you have new this year?
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Sure?
Speaker 1 (02:04):
No, Sure, So I knew we're gonna get a tony
coverage on our AMMO just in general.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
But the real beauty of meant like this is.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Talking about the new stuff.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
With the Yeah and just kind of just reacting to
what we've been doing the last day and a half
or so with these guns. I mean, you've got you
know the ones we have here. We've got forty five
to seventy Yep, we've got forty four mag. We've got
forty five Colt, which those three at forty five seventy
obviously big boomer, But I'm impressed with the forty five
(02:34):
Colt and the forty four mag. You can that's a
real versatile one. Depending on the ammo, you can say,
I want this to be easy shooting, or I want
it to be optimized for self defense, or it could
be I want to, I mean, shoot big animals.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
With this, correct, depending on the load, Yeah, exactly. So
that's the beauty of anything.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Really.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
It's like people say, well, what what Carson Jo you're shooting,
and really doesn't really matter what cartridge you're shooting, And
what matters is what bullet you're shooting. That's the secret,
that's the secretly asking that question, you know.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Asking the wrong question.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
And one of my friends she used to say, the
bullet delivers your intention to the target, so you can
really tailor the load to what you're doing. And I
think that's one of the cool things about lever guns
and the cartridges, the calibers that we're chambered in here
that you can really do.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
That right, And it also kind of boils down to
especially for hunting loads, it's the only thing that actually
connects to the animal, right, right, So why would you
chintse on something like that? Right?
Speaker 3 (03:43):
So if you have especially if you're.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Going to Africa or or it's kind of quote unquote
hunt of a lifetime, it's the only thing that connects
with the animal. So why wouldn't you get like the
best possible jectile you can for that?
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Well, I mean when people wound an animal or have
to track an animal, maybe it's a bad shot, but
there are times when you were using the wrong bullet
or the bullet didn't perform like you wanted. Depending there's
all in a number of factors, it could be right.
But if you use the right bullet the right ammo,
(04:17):
it can really make that difference where you can anchor
that that critter right where you shot.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
It right right. And so that's immediately why I really
wanted to come down here because of hammer Down. Hammer
Down is our lover gun optimized cartridge and really kind
of putting me on the spot here. I think it
was five or six years ago, but it might be longer.
I've been there fifteen years.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
So a lot of different loads to remember.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
They're kind of blendy, you know, but I would say
it's relatively new, and it is optimized for lover guns.
It is optimized for hunting with lover guns, okay, And
a lot of lover guns are pist caliber carbings four
mags forty five COLT three seven magnum. And so what
(05:08):
we did is we took any of those cartridges for
that are popular in the lever gun platform and we
put bonded hunting bullets in there. Oh wow, heavy for caliber.
Bonded hunting.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
So it holds together into animals and it and maybe
I'll be even more specific, when it hits hard stuff too, Right,
it holds together. If you could hit bone and stuff
like that, it's going to keep going.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Yeah, So when you hit, when the bullet hits the animal,
you wanted to keep its weight retention for as long
as possible so that it penetrates deeper. But you also
want to program that bullet so that it also opens
and has a wide wound channel as well. So you
want that bullet expansion and you also want the bullet penetration.
And so with bonding you're basically taking the core, the
(05:56):
lead core, and then the copper jacket and you're using
those together.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
How do they fuse it?
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Well, I mean that's an engineering there's.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
A secret super glue.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
No, there's well kind of. I mean there's different ways
to bond a bullet. You can do like an electro
chemical heat process. You can do it all heat processed
with different things. So there's different ways to bond a bullet. Okay,
so we have different different ways to do it. So
for example, our fusion bullets is more of electro chemical
(06:31):
and then our terminal ascent is more of a heat chemical.
Interesting though, Yeah, there's different ways to do it.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
One of the things that we've observed even before Leverfest
getting all the guns ready because we had dozens of
guns we had to shoot and get ready, but also
during everyone shooting it three point fifty seven bag out
of a lever gun, that sucker hits hard.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
I've killed several deer with that.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Yeah, it is awesome and great for hunting. And you go, well,
it's kind of just it's a it's a revolver around. Yes, However,
out of a lever gun you're getting more velocity and Frankly,
it would probably be fantastic as a home defense rig too.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Definitely for sure. So really, when when you when you
think about optimizing cartridges like a threefty seven magnum, you
can take the bullet choice and you can optimize that
for personal defense, and you can program that bullet to
do what you wanted to do on that and you
can test it an FBI protocol GEL with all the
(07:35):
you know, venom tests and all that stuff, and that's
great for that particular purpose. And then you could also
take it and optimize it for rifles for hunting. And
then I just said with the bonded hunting bullets and
the heavier grain weights, and then we actually package that
in like a rifle looking box, so it's a two box,
you know, a longer box. So it's for rifle. But
(07:57):
now it's still safe to shoot in a pistol. Okay,
it's because of all the Sammy specs and so it's
still it's gonna be hot, it's gonna surprise, hold on,
but you can't do it. But you know, one one
story I knew I wanted to tell when I when
it came down here was getting my son into hunting.
(08:18):
So it's like, okay, finally I have Calvin, and he
gets he gets to go hunting. And so I take
Air fifteen and we're using bonded bullets trophy trophy bonded
tip from Federal. The heaviest green weight you can get
is sixty two. But you know with that and it's bonded,
that's gonna work on a deer.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
So I set all that up and then I also
take the three fifty seven magnum lover gun that I have,
put a scope on that, grab the hammer down, put
that out there, and I put him on the range
bench and I'm like, all right, Kelvin, you can hunt
with the Air fifteen and or you can hunt with
the three seven magnum lover gun. Yeah, and every everyone
(09:01):
or your your thoughts are the kid that's going to
pick the AR fifty.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
It just looks cooler and all that.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Yeah, that kind of their video game type thing. And
he's like, nope, I want I want the three fifty seven. Really,
he goes, I just love the way it just feels.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
I love the way, you know, reloading.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
It's just it looks cool, it sounds cool. It's just
I want to shoot that. Yeah, and because it's a
three fifty seven magnum cartridge, there's like no recoil. Now
there's not any recoil in the two two three either.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
But yeah, you're right. I mean it's it's what one
hundred and twenty five grain bullets somewhere in that ballpark.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
One hundred and seventy grain.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Oh, it's heavy.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
That's right heavy for calib So the two two three
is sixty two grains and the threefty seven magnum is
one hundred and seventy.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
It's like you're doing Yeah, I think that's almost eight
maybe yeah, three times as much almost.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Well, I mean so I was happy about that because
I'm like, okay, I want to that'sl heavier bullet hitting
the animal.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Yeah, it's I will say, we've tested some stuff this week.
Heavier bullets are impressive when you get into some of
that big stuff, you know, the three hundred and four
hundred grand bullets. Boy, yes, that's real impressive.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
I think that forty four mag is to seventy I believe. Yeah,
so you can really get some heavy bullets. And when
you have all that that weight retention and all that
mass hitting hitting the deer, it's going down.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
It's going down.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
And so he shot his first deer with that.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
He absolutely loved it, and it's just and he wants
to continue hunting with it.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
You know.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
One of the things that we kind of reacted to
shooting these lever actions. You run the gun. The gun
doesn't just run by itself. You make it happen. I
think that's why people like it. I think that's it's
an analog experience, a feeling, a kinetic type of thing. Also,
there could be an argument for well, you're running the gun,
(10:57):
so there is perhaps some more you have more control,
perhaps more reliability in certain ways when you come to
maybe a defensive use. So you know, the tactical lever
guns or a hot thing right now, yes, yes.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
So with the technical with the tactical guns being lever guns,
people are wondering what to use for am all there.
I mean, if you're really not too worried about over penetration,
I would just go with the hunting bullet. I would
just go with the hammer down. I mean, it's it'll do,
it'll do the job. Now, everything is going to do
the job. Like even if you did you know, an
HST that's a very popular round for.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
A defensive use.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Yeah, it's going to work on on a rifle, you're
going to have more velocity of course, case you have
a longer barrel, So it's it's going to open faster.
It's gonna be a little bit more violent. You might
lose a lot of weight. I mean, depending on what
the bullet is like, you might even lose.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
A pedal well. And also jj, I mean if it's
going a little bit faster, it opens faster, actually might
not penetrate as far.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
But you're gonna be a a wider, more violent Yeah,
which maybe actually what you might be looking for in
some close quarter type stuff. Sure, sure, yeah, yeah, No,
you're right, and especially if you're worried about over penetration
in that situation going through walls and whatnot. But also
hydro shock deep, that bullet is fantastic. That bullet does
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not care what you're shooting it out of. It doesn't
care if it's a short barrel, it doesn't care if
it's a long barrel. That thing is going to penetrate deep.
It's hydroshock deep. It's a modern version of hydro shock.
So hydroshock came out in the nineties late nineties and
that was a defense round. It's been around for decades
(12:45):
and really just most recently in the last ten years
or so or eight years, we redid that bullet. The
engineers that designed the bullet in the nineties, they're about
to retire late to you know, twenty tens, and before
they before they retired, they're like, you know what, we
want to redo. Wow, like everything we learned the last
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twenty five years, that's cool. You want to go back
to that first design and we want to redo it.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Yeah, there's new technology, We've have lessons learned and all
that exactly. One of the other things that you have
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already did the hard part, so jj. One of the
rifles we have here is the new Savage Revel and
it's a twenty two caliber and they have it. I
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guess they have it coming in seventeen h twenty two
mag which is cool too, super accurate, very smooth actions.
Everybody's enjoying them, and I didn't realize, but you sent
us some new AMMO. That's twenty two ammo. Yes.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
So going back to the hammer Down, we brought that
hammered Down. It was it's a brand new product for
us in twenty twenty four, but we we talked about
a shot show in January. So yeah, it's so that
again is a heavier plated lead core bullet, but it's
optimized for the lever gun as far as you know,
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being a heavier hunting bullet.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
And also it also is more of like a.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Match grade as far as it's got the nickel plated
casing and all that. We used to have the product
called Hunter Match, but now everything is going to hammer Down. Okay,
so it's really kind of our twenty two lur kind
of match grade hunting round. And we also put it
in three hundred and twenty five count boxes. Oh like,
why messed with fifty roundcounts when people are going to
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be shooting something like that.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Yeah, so it could be and I kind of I
kind of teased it with maybe a defensive thing, great
for hunting, right, Yes, but we were kind of saying, gosh,
I mean I think we were getting eleven and a
half inches of penetration into jail with a twenty two exactly.
I mean that's pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Yeah, it's it's again, it's going to perform, and that
extra velocity is gonna it's gonna soak up that extra
velocity and it's going to you know, it's gonna love
that extra velocity and even penetrate deeper. Then I also
brought the twenty two long rifle punch, and so that's
the defensive.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Okay, Okay, that's the defensive one.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
And it's really meant for semi autos and revolvers for
people who want to carry a twenty two LR or
have it for it. You know, it's everybody is different.
There's there's no one right, particular solution for self defense.
And so if people want to choose a twenty two
l R or a twenty two WMR, then we're gonna
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give them options for that.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
So, yeah, especially you're talking about the importance of bullets
and AMMO. If you're gonna use that as maybe like
my little backup gun or whatever, you better have some
good AMMO and it loaded into their right.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
So that is a solid bullet. There's no hollow point
or anything. It's just a flat faced bullet. It's a
very hard lead core and then it's nickel plated. The
case is also nickel plated, and it's very reliable as
far as priming and all that. And I think we
shout through gel too with it, right thing. Yeah, so
(18:13):
you know it, and it worked great. But it's also
meant it's also is meant to have deep penetration, but
it's also meant for that penetration not to overpenetrate. Yeah,
because over penetration in a self defense situation is never good.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
It's not good, all right, So but we got to
talk about I am a cartridge caliber nerd, okay. I
mean I grew up reading gun digest and and looking
at all the ballistics charts and just looking at like, oh,
the two twenty swift with this bullet is going forth
thirty nine feet per second. Just I nerd out on
(18:50):
this stuff. And so I like it when there's new
cartridges that we can talk about. Yea jam and there's
two we ought to talk about. I know you've got
stuff you want to talk about. The two I'm thinking
of the seven millimeter back country Yes, talk about that.
Tell me about it.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Well, I mean, you guys did a fantastic job covering
the seven million back country and.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
We had fun with it.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Yes, and your your dad's video was probably one of
my favorite videos out of all of them. Really very
short and sweet and if you can get that guy
to smile and just kind of be surprised on something
and chuckle. I mean he had a legitimate chuckle when
he said for the first time and.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
He's I mean, well, I apple doesn't fall far from
the tree. I mean, we liked the ballistics nerd stuff.
We'd like talking about what this, what this does, and
I think this is for regular people who maybe aren't
a ballistics nerd like I am. It needs a little
bit of explanation to go like, okay, well wait a man,
there's already seven mag there's these other things. Why why
(19:50):
does this cartridge exist? Why do you guys bring it out?
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Yeah, so, to start at ground zero, seven millimeter of
back country is a new big game cartridge. It's designed
for the suppressor in mind.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
That's kind of one of the keys that is.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Yeah, it's yeah, it's definitely the main point. And then
it's also designed well, really it's designed for high pressure.
So the seven millimeter back country is very cool because
it's great for suppressors. What helps make it great for
suppressors is the the pressure and the velocity that it
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can get.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
So a lot of hunters are they've decided I like
hunting with a suppressor. And then once you do that
and you carry your regular gun, then you have it
thread and you put a five to seven inch suppressor
on it, you go, this is really long and unwieldy.
So then everyone's going to shorter barrels twenty two twenty
some people using eighteen inch barrels. Yes, you lose velocity
(20:52):
out of whatever cartridge you're shooting. I mean you lose
you lose velocity, It doesn't matter. This is just physics.
So you guys are optimizing this with higher pressures to
get more velocity out of a shorter barrel, so you're
not losing a performance. But how do you do that
and keep it safe? In Sammy Speck exactly, there's a secret.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
There's a secret, and it's all about the case technology.
At that point, cases are brass. You know, you can
have nickel plated brass and that kind of thing. But
really what we have here with the Suva Millium back
country is the peak alloy case. So it's not brass.
It's not brass. Okay, it's not steel. Okay, it's an alloy. Now,
(21:36):
they's steel in it, but there's also other stuff in
it too. And what that does is it allows for
the pressure for the case, the peak alloy case, to
take all the pressure, so that pressure isn't being distributed
out to the receiver of the chamber. That case is
taking it all, you know, and so it's not throwing
(21:57):
it back into the the bolt. It's not you, it's
take it's being able to take all the pressure and
then deliver that pressure down with the projectile down the barrel,
and you are able to get really good velocity out
of a short barrel. Yeah, because you're right. Seven million,
seven millimeter PRC is very popular. People want that that velocity,
(22:18):
but they're getting that velocity of a twenty four inch barrel.
You sure can on there all of a sudden, it's
thirty inch on wieldy, you know, yeah, branch kind of thing.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
So they want shorter barrels.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
We basically sauce people saying, well, I bought the seven million,
seven milliminire PRC, but it's so long, I just chopped
it down to eighteen inch barrel and it's like, well,
you just lost all the velocity that you bought.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
I mean, burning gunpowder is fun and all that, but
you know, like geez, yeah, yeah, I think it's it's
just a response to how people are hunting and what
they're using for their gear, certainly out west, I mean
people who are moving in doing spot in stock and
that type of thing. We took it on an elk
hunt right at the turn of the new year, and
(23:08):
so we got the guns ready here at I don't know,
we're about twenty feet above sea level, and we took
it to We drove sixteen hours to New Mexico. We
woke up in the morning.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
I saw the podcast on that.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Yeah, we hiked up the hill. Oh dude, we hiked
up the hill. We spotted some cow elk because we said,
how do you do By the way, guys, pro tip
for you great way to do a Western hunt. Do
a cow el hunt. I mean, if you're not worried
about the horns and all that stuff, and you're like,
I want to get like one hundred and seventy pounds
(23:44):
of meat, Yes, yeah, I'm down with this. I like, yeah,
I'm a big fan, a big fan of backstrap and
and it's just a real accessible hunt. I think it
just kind of sidebar there. But I think we were
at like seven thousand feet elevation. And I'll be honest
with you, JJ, we're a little busy around here. I
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hadn't shot that gun yet.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Well, I also didn't send it to you like two
days before you left.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
You. Well, it's new cartridge. And look that's a chicken
egg thing too, which we'll get into new cartridge. But
who's chambering it? In rifle companies and all this stuff?
So you guys do great with that because there's a
bunch of people that are actually chambering this this load.
But four hundred yards on a cow elk, she goes down,
kJ shoots his, she goes down. It was just incredible.
(24:34):
And you had because you have these the bullets you're using,
there's not a lot of drop, but there's also not
a lot of wind drift. They're just really suited for
that type of hunting.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Yeah, it's a very flat shitting cartridge. Yeah, it's and
then the bullet options like you said there there there's
of course our terminal ascent, which is invest on the
bullet you can get. That's we had one seventy grain
and now so grain we have a copper option in
Barnes l RX. We are doing a heavy, really heavy
(25:05):
one with Burger at one ninety five grain. Yeah, then crazy,
yes it is. And then we have fusion and that
fusion is one seventy five grainsion tipped, and so that's
you definitely have your price point options and your different
bullet type options do so that's all great, but really
(25:26):
it's about the case technology. You know, people are writing
the story and they're like, it's the seven millimeter is
cool cartridge, but the case technology is why this story
is cool.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Yeah, it's innovation.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
We'll ask you about and what can we do in
the future for it? Sure, like what other cartridges can
we do for it?
Speaker 2 (25:42):
We're going to soup up the thirty five remington I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Well, yeah, there's there's guys at the office figuring out
what they're going to do.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Thirty thirty that goes, you know, six thousand feet per second.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
So you're basically are for sure adding at least for this,
you're adding one hundred and fifty defeed per second.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Yeah, and that does that does add to performance. Yes, Now,
you guys, I don't want to lose I don't want
to lose the ability to cover all the new stuff.
I mean, you guys have a bunch of other new stuff.
Is there anything in particular that you're excited about?
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (26:13):
So, actually, if you go to Federal Premium dot com
and then there is on the menu bar you say
this is Federal and then there's a big product section,
hit that and you'll and we every year we list
just the new products so I can scroll through that.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Can I ask you? I feel like there is this
little movement with thirty two's right, Yes there is. And
I noticed you guys had a new offering there. Yes,
I'll just tell you. I'm we're going to do some
content that's covering a bunch of different guns and AMMO
in thirty two. Like, I just think it's interesting talk
about this one.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
So, so cartridges in popularity, they just kind of ebb
and flow, you know, they have different they have ups
and downs, and right now thirty two is hot for
some reason. And so that's it's great because we have
thirty three twenty seven Federal Magnum. Yes, that is you
know something that is our proprietary cartridge that we did
(27:07):
in the late two thousands. That is really a badass cartridge.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
It is.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
It's absolutely fantastic.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
I mean, people who know the gun guys that I know,
when you get into talking about defensive revolvers and things
like that, they're like, oh, dude, three twenty seven Federal
is the magic sauce.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
And one of the things, you know, we worked with
H and R when they did their thirty two h
and R. When was that in the eighties or something. Oh, yeah,
we definitely work with them on that, and then we
took that thirty to H and R and we we
created three twenty seven Federal off of that, and so
it really it really is a cartridge that acts like
(27:49):
a three fifty seven magnum Yeah, but it's a smaller,
smaller bullet and.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
You can usually get an extra round in the gun, right.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Yes, yep, compared to a revolver around three fifty seven magnum.
You definitely get next a round with that, and and
then you can also shoot the different thirty twos out
of that too, so you can chamber the thirty two
h and hour on that and some light stuff. Yes,
so it has it's very versatile and it's it's great,
(28:20):
and I think it's just when the gun manufacturers get
excited and start chambering new guns in these old cartridges,
that's when the AMMO companies need to step up and
you know, either create new products. This one is basically
our is our hydroshock deep. I touched on that earlier
in the podcast. It's it's an absolutely fantastic bullet that
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we reinvented from old technology the nineties. That bullet is fantastic.
It doesn't care what guns shooting or what it doesn't
care what. Well, actually, we we program each bullet to
be for each cartridge, so we're not just taking oh,
okayend bullet and putting it in a interesting We actually say, okay,
(29:01):
well this is for thirty two, so.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
We know it's going to be going this fast. We
kind of need it to do these things right. It's
going to adjust how you manufacture.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
The bullet exactly. Wow. So we basically said, okay, well,
if you have a new thirty two ace R meg again,
well then here's modern new thirty two acean R animal
for it.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Very cool, yeah, very cool, And I mean we we
covered it last year and one of the new ones
that was the ultimate carry the UC the Smith and
Weston new jframe that they launched in conjunction with Lipsis,
And one of the options is getting it in thirty
two and you get six shots instead of five in
a J frame revolver. It's it's super fun and I've
(29:42):
got one. I'll shoot it with little light loads just
for funzies. But the hot stuff is still totally fine
to shoot. But it performs at distance on targets, it
performs into gail. We've seen it into different mediums. It's
really impressive stuff. JG. Is there anything else? As we're
kind of like getting ready to wrap up here, Guy,
(30:03):
I don't want to. There's so much new stuff from Federal.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
The best thing to do is again go to Federal
Premium dot Com right there on the on the menu
bar on top. As this is Federal, it kind of is.
That whole section is kind of who we are and
gives you all kinds of cool things to look at.
But new products is there, and then you can just
walk through all the new products.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
A lot of new shotguns stuff too. Yeah, so we did,
which I always enjoy the shotgun stuff. It's fun. I
mean because shotguns so versatile, right, I mean shotguns for waterfowl, upland,
target shooting, defensive stuff. I mean, there's just so many
things you can do with the shotgun.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Yes, So we have a new sporting plays load. It's
called Masterclass. That's absolutely great to check out. We have
a lot of new Well, one of my favorites is
going to be the upland paper.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
So it's paper.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
So it's that nostalgia, which is the paper halls is
what built the company in nineteen twenty two. And they
actually didn't become plastic halls until the fifties really, so
it's all papers then and into the sixties and then
we've always kept our paper halls in our target loads.
But for folks who are shooting that high end over
(31:23):
under or double barrel on a pheasant hunt and they
want that nostalgia and they want that paper hall. It
has a smell.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
I was going to talk about the smell. Everybody knows it.
You're like, oh, yeah, paper holls.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
So we got a lot of requests for that, and
so it's like.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Mama's cinnamon bread or something. It's just like, man, this
just makes me warm and fuzzy.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Yep, so look for that. It's it's Upland paper, so
it's it's it's cool. It's not target load, it's for pheasants.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
What's it? Uh? Is it available in variety loads? I
know we got a cheat sheet here. Yeah, we got
to use guys watching because there's so many different different
loads that they're doing.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
Yeah, we're doing six two and three quarter inch twelve
gauge or twenty gauge and we're doing four, five or
six shots nice. So typically has always been seven and
a half or eight four targets, but now we're doing
the larger shot size for Upland game.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Very cool.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
And then the Barnes RX. We mentioned that in southern
Milliner back country, but we're loading that copper bullet in
several other cartridges.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
People listen to this, they know I'm a fan of
solid copper bullets, monolithic bullets. They're kind of like talk
about don't care. They don't care you shoot them into stuff.
It just does its.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Job, right, And Barnes said, hey, we're doing a new one.
We're doing LRX now. So I'm like, okay, Well, so
Federal said, okay, we're going to load that now we
have that terminalist. Then of course we're doing a couple
of new rounds in that six five PRC three hundred
(33:01):
in terminals sent if.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
You're real mad, you're real mad at the critter, that's
the one.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
For the target side, we are finally doing the six
millimere arc.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
Oh, I've got Okay, that's a hot one these days.
Six millimeter arc. The long range guys are loving it.
They're loving that for precision rifle stuff and RL hunter stuff.
But here's the thing, guys, it's great for hunting.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Yes, we don't have a hunting round yet. Yeah, but
you know, the target guys for sure now have now
an option. Yeah, that's cold metal line.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
That's cool.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
HST.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
We're doing the forty four rem meg and HST. So
we're putting a lot of effort into personal defense ammunition
for the Revolver, which personally, and maybe you'll be mad
at me for saying this live on air, but maybe
next year you do a Revolver Fest.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Maybe we should.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
I think Revolver Fest would be cool.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
Look, you guys, last year we did five to seven
Fast because five to seven was kind of a it's
been around, but it had a little resurgence some people
were excited. Now we're doing lever Fest. That's been popular.
What's the next thing we should do? If you're listening
to this, I've got I have IDEASJJ. Let me tell
you all. JJ always has ideas. He's that guy. It's like, hey,
I got a suggestion for you. I got some ideas.
(34:20):
But that's what we do with these things, right, we brainstorm.
There was somebody's close to me says, sometimes we just
need to drink about it. Sure, we come up with
some concepts. You know, drink wisconsibly, drink wisconsinably. Yeah he's
from Wisconsin, and yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
But my best idea is come when I'm not drinking.
And my wife has told me that. But anyway, I
would say revolver Fest. I also like suppress Fest. I
think that that. I think that when people come up
to me and ask me, Hey, thinking about buying a
new gun, what new gun should I buy? And I
and my answer over the last one or two years
has been, your next gun should be a suppressor. You
(34:57):
have because it is an FFL item, so it is
it is a gun, So your next gun should.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
Be a suppressor. If you already have a suppressor.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Your next gun should be another suppressor.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Yeah, most likely if you're a gun goofball like we are.
You listen to this thing. You probably have plenty of guns,
and I mean, look, i'll give you permission. You're allowed
to buy more guns.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
That's okay.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
I give you some comments.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
Yeah, you can never have too many guns.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
You can never have too many. Just one more is
the right number. But you probably don't have enough suppressors.
And look, you get the one. You're like, oh, yeah,
I get the one, and I can switch around. Where
you end up is where we end up is no, no,
like I want one for every gun. Like it's not
like I'm moving it around. I just like, have lots
(35:45):
of suppressors. You have to.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
I mean you have to have a room fire, you
have to have a thirty KLi you have to have
especially with you know, with some of the bigger cartridges
that are doing really well, like neither big ones. I
have a Magnum in the forty four, you need a
forty sive. So you need different ones. And then you also,
you know, if you have multiple guns and you don't
(36:07):
want to be switching them around, you want multiple suppressors.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
You could get k cans that are really short, So
if you don't want to add length to the gun,
you can do that a little short, fatty guy. Yeah,
there's all kind I mean, it's another world that you
can go in. And here's the thing. It's never been easier.
You used to used to be. It's going to be
away time. This has never been easier. We're talking weeks
(36:31):
sometimes days these days to get a suppressor. And you
can go through one of these guys like a silencer
Shop or silencer Central that make it super easy. And I,
I don't know, I can't. I think that the prices
are actually going to come down on suppressors. I think
that they're they're going to actually come down, but don't
(36:52):
I'm not saying wait, yeah, yeah, yeah, go ahead and
get some for sure.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
And I also think that when you look at friends
and you look what animal companies are doing. We came
out with the seven millioner back country because people are
hunting with suppressors. You know, hint, hint. We our sister
are affiliate company, CCI just came out with a new
suppressor Max with segmenting Holow point or I mean, go
(37:17):
out and do some squirrel hunting with a suppressor and
some segmented Holow points.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
I'd like to see what that does. I mean, you
have a blast, literally a blast.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
It's absolutely fantastic.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
You know, subsonic animals is popular.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
That's what I was going to get into. JJ's like,
you want to have fun. Yes, one way to have
fund guns is this is a big boomer boom wow.
You know, but it's also fun to shoot something like
we're shooting forty five seventy that's subsonic AMMO suppressed and
you know it's a big bullet, but it's like, yeah, yeah,
what just happened?
Speaker 3 (37:51):
That was it exactly?
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (37:53):
And then yeah, my son wants to hunt suppressed. I
mean I I shot my one of my first animals
with suppressor a couple of years ago, and I never
want to go back.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
I want to. Well, there's an advantage there too. I mean,
not only that you're helping your hearing, because let's be honest,
most people aren't wearing hearing protection when they're hunting. What sorry,
speak up, but like they're not wearing hearing protection. Also,
it reduces the recoil, so you're able to stay kind
of in the gun. Looking through the scope you can
(38:24):
see what happened. And it gives you some wiggle room.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
Well, a lot of people flinch because of the noise, right,
the noise hurts, especially if you have hearing damage. It
hurts even more blasting more so.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
I think people as far as recoil goes.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
I think people actually flinch, not because of the of
the hit to the shoulder, the push of the shoulder.
That's not it's actually it doesn't hurt. It's really over
your ears. I think people they don't want that.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
That's concussion becuse of feeling. Yeah, And then the other
part is just I mean I've seen it in person
where you shoot and maybe you need a second follow
up shot and the animal doesn't run away. Or if
you're hunting something like cogs or coyotes, squirrels, they stick around.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
The squirrel stick around. Yeah, yeah, they're not sure.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
Twenty two is very quiet.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
So when you're squirrel hunting with this suppressor, you want
to shoot the ones on low branches so that they
fall to the ground. You don't want shoot high ones
first because then the ones in the low branch will
see the one falling and know something's up.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
You know. That's have you ever read have you ever
heard about Audie Murphy, the World War two guy. No,
he was one of the most decorated veterans of World
War Two. He was a country dude. And one of
his stories is he learned this from I think he
was turkey hunting. And this is old school turkey hunting. Okay,
(39:46):
you shoot the rear ones first, okay, because they fall
and the ones in front don't realize it's happening. He
did that to Germans in World War Two. Sure, turkey shoot. Yeah,
but do you imagine if he had presser? Yeah, they
don't even know what's happening.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
I mean, yeah, So I think squirrels with suppressors.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
Plus, I think that suppress Fest would sounds good, sounds cool,
and would look cool on a T shirt. And my
guys are into the T shirt. So suppress Fest and
maybe happened next year the all right, all right.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
We're gonna put that in the bucket. I think that's
that's definitely a contender. Suppressed Fest. Yeah, all right, guys, JJ,
thanks for being with us. Anything else we ought to know?
Speaker 3 (40:27):
I think tell him I talked your ear off again.
I could. I could talk for.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
Days on this stuff. So I'm I'm like a happy
little pig and mud I love this kind of stuff,
and I really like it's really fun to hang out
with you, you know, so.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
I'm glad you're here. Man, this is fun. He is
the AMMO Daddy, JJ Reich Federal. Thanks for being with us.
That's it for us. We'll see you next time on
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