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From the Ruger Booth at the 2025 NRA Annual Meetings
-- The NRA has a direct pipeline to the White House. NRA-ILA head John Commerford hints at big announcements coming soon.
-- Marlin's new rifles are better than ever, but there are more to come. Eric Lundgren gives us a peek at what's on the drawing board.
-- Turkey has made guns for hundreds of years. Neil Sanders details some of the shotguns, rifles and pistols from SDS Imports, including high-value double stack 1911s.
-- Professional shooter Jalise Williams just shot her way onto the men's team that will take on the best competitors in the world.
-- Gun Talk 04.27.25 Hour 3
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From the Ruger Booth at the 2025 NRA Annual Meetings
-- The NRA has a direct pipeline to the White House. NRA-ILA head John Commerford hints at big announcements coming soon.
-- Marlin's new rifles are better than ever, but there are more to come. Eric Lundgren gives us a peek at what's on the drawing board.
-- Turkey has made guns for hundreds of years. Neil Sanders details some of the shotguns, rifles and pistols from SDS Imports, including high-value double stack 1911s.
-- Professional shooter Jalise Williams just shot her way onto the men's team that will take on the best competitors in the world.
-- Gun Talk 04.27.25 Hour 3
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
All right, back with you, Tom Gresham. At the na's
annual meetings here in Atlanta. We ought to talk to
somebody from the NRA. Oh yeah, well, let's talk to
somebody knows about litigation and legislation. John Comerford is the
head of the NRA's Institute for Legislative Action. John, Thanks
for being here, man. Oh wait a minute, let me
hit the button there so I tell me go ahead.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Tom, happy to be here, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
So all right.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Last night you presented a video from President Trump.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Yes we did.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
You know, he's not.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Here and people made a big deal not there. Well,
it turns out he couldn't have been here anyway because
he's going to the Pope's funeral, So that worked out okay.
But he actually had some news, some kind of breaking
news in his video that you aired here.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
You want to talk about that, yeah, absolutely. You know,
the President was nice enough to address our members through
his video. We showed it last night. We're gonna show
it again tomorrow in our members meeting. But what I
had told you is some definitive news on the pistol
brace band. So if you see in the video, he
definitively says they're ending the pistol brase ban. Now that's
a rule. It's going to take a little bit of
time to get that done. And we knew this was
(01:32):
coming because of his executive order where he asked Attorney
General Bondi to fix the wrongs of the Biden administration.
And it suggests new reforms to further Second Amendment rights.
And we're seeing action incrementally and that report is coming.
But the President last night in that video said we're
ending the pistol brase ban. So that most popular firem
accessory in the last few years. We need to protect
(01:54):
that and we got to give the consumer what they want.
That's options.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Well, you know how it worked. We always say that's great.
Now let's talk about the next thing. Right, It's like,
what have you done for me lately? Because that was
a full twelve hours ago. Man, come on, all right,
So we got the pistol brace it's going away. The
pistol brates ban is going away. What can we look
for on our wish list, because I mean, you're talking
to the people in the White House and they are
(02:20):
actively working on this. They got people who are working
on cleaning up what's going on with the Secondmendment and
with gun bands and restrictions and everything else.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
What's on the list? What are we going to get
out of this?
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Well, as your listeners know, there's plenty of work to
be done at the ATF. I mean, it's the place
has been a mess. The stories are timeless on what
they've done to gun owners, particularly in the last four years.
But the Attorney General has directed that agency, so it
falls under DOJ. They've made staff changes. We obviously saw
some changes in the acting director. They put another Senate
(02:52):
confirms political appointee is acting and eventually we'll get a
Senate confirmed, permanent director. But they're making those changes and
I think what you're going to see is keep tuned.
Next week there's a potential that that report will come
out that was due back. It was done on time. However,
Administrative Procedures Act process is complex and they want to
make sure they have things right. But what I heard,
(03:14):
and I won't say names from the White House, but
someone senior there told me and I quote, we've never
seen anything like this, and you guys will be very happy.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
What does that mean?
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Well, I think it's I think I may have mentioned
last time we talked. We've provided the White House with
a thirty plus page document, so called wish list of
items that needed to be fixed and furthering things, and
just a brief example, Page one was getting rid of
the frame and receiver rule because that's a problem for
home manufactured firearms. It's a problem for ambiguity in the
rule on commercial manufacturers. But we went all the way
(03:46):
from there to ending the report with advocating to reopen
the machine gun Amnesty because there's a period that that
could happen on pre eighty six firems. So we're advocating
for everything we possibly can, because you're not going to
get it unless you ask.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Well, and there are some things that they can't do administratively.
I mean they can't if it's in the law, and
I'm specifically thinking about suppressors. You know, that's actually part
of a law passed by Congress, so they can't arbitrary
say okay, well suddenly you know there's no restrictions on suppressors.
But that doesn't mean we can't work on trying to
get something done there.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Well, if you look at NFA in general, look what
the ATF did when they arbitrarily ban braces and you
had to you had a quote unquote amnesty to register
your so called SBR under their new rule tax free.
There's nothing in the statute that gives ATF the authority,
but they did it anyway. So we got to look
for creative ways there. Get to look at the reconciliation
(04:40):
process because the suppressors are in the NFA through the
tax code, so why couldn't they Why couldn't they be
removed from the NFA through that process. So I think
there's some some different things to look at. 're reducing
the tax in general, but ITERA is going to try
to advocate for as much as we can for the
American gun owner. Why we can't we have a once
in a generation opportunity to fix and restore Second Amendment
(05:03):
rights in this country under President Trump's leadership, and we're
going to work to do that.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Yeah, this is a very narrow window. We're really talking
eighteen months, you know, I mean by the time midterms
get here, who knows what happens so yeah, they got
to move fast, and they are moving fast.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
And Tom, you know your listeners out there. A lot
of people gave Attorney General Bondi some criticism when she
came in. Sure, we heard some of the comments that
happened after twenty eighteen, and I can understand that. But
what I judge is action, and she's running with President
Trump's leadership. And I want to talk about creativity for
a second. I just mentioned that, let's take a look
at what they did from DOJ in regards to restoration
(05:39):
of rights. The Schumer rider that's been around for more
than twenty five years, that prohibited ATF from working on
that process to restore the rights of individuals who have
had those deprived. What did DOJ do? They found creativity
and they realized the writer only applied to ATF, it
didn't apply to the Pardon Attorney's office. They directed the
(06:01):
Pardon Attorney to work on this and the first recipie
of that was mister melgi Or Gibson. So if I
think that gives confidence in what they're doing, and I
think as that department gets staffed up, we're going to
see more because it takes time to staff these big agencies.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Let me say something here, because you're talking to the
White House directly, you're you've got a pipeline in there.
And there are people out there in our world who
continue to say, well, the NA is really not a
factor and Second Amendment they're not there anymore.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
Why we pay attention?
Speaker 2 (06:31):
And I keep saying, you have no idea what's actually
going on? And I hear people all the time say
why is it the NRA doing X? And I always
tell them, why do you think they're not? Just because
you don't know about it doesn't mean they're not things
that are happening. And this is a prime example of
it of you're doing things that frankly, no other group
(06:54):
can or is doing.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
We've always been held to a different accountable standard, right
and the media never writes anything positive, and some in
the Second Amendment community, more on the influencer side, they
don't They don't write anything positive as well, so people
don't hear the good things. But we are having those conversations.
The fact is, the senior leadership in the US Congress
and the senior leadership within the President Trump's staff they
(07:18):
call the NA first. And we have we have alumni
from our staff in the White House right now who
worked for NRA, So they make that call. But a
lot of these things get done in private. That's just
the nature of politics. Yes, And we can't talk about
everything we're working on because then they won't call us.
And I don't have the luxury of just making things
up and putting them on social media and hope and
(07:38):
they're true. But NA is committed to working with the
other gun groups that are out there because it's for
the greater good. And we've been trying to do that
with our.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Actually don't know, they don't know that NRA works with
Second Moon Foundation, a FBC and GOA and other groups.
And there are a lot of these cases, these court
cases where you look at you go, oh, look, there's
all these.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Groups working together exactly right.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Frankly, Sometimes there'll be some groups that want to beat
up on the NRA, but that's a fundraising effort really,
and we get it. We understand what's going on, right.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
And if you look at let's go look at a
really recent example, the Toronto case. That's an individual in Washington,
DC that was involved in January sixth. They found a
CZ scorpion on his person and then ATF was going through.
DJ was going after him for NFA violations, even though
they said they wouldn't do that on a brace. Pistol
n broke that story. We're the first ones to report
(08:30):
on it, and credit where credits due. GA and others
jumped in and submitted requests on that to defend that individual,
and DJ dropped the charges on the NFA. But what
did I see on the internet? Every other gun group
did something, no mention of NRAA. But you know what,
in the end, the fact is we got it changed
and that's all that matters to me.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
So what else can we get? Do you think?
Speaker 2 (08:53):
I mean if you say, okay, you know in our
wish list, what's going to come our way?
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Well, look, we've talked four on. Our top priority is
HR thirty eight, concealed carry reciprocity. There is a sixty
voter threshold in the Senate. However, I don't know what
the future holds, so I want to get that bill
in the Senate. There may be a must pass vehicle
that comes along that we can attach it to. The
Republicans may go nuclear and get rid of the filibuster.
We know the Democrats will. Yeah, we absolutely know they've
(09:21):
said they'll do it sure, so if Republicans decide to
do that, they may make parliamentary changes. I don't know
what the future holds, but what I want to know
is I want to be ready if an opportunity comes up.
So we want to move that first. That has the
most co sponsors of any gun bill in Congress right now,
more than one hundred and eighty, the most since twenty seventeen.
We want to work on NFA changes, of course, because
(09:42):
everyone here what's one of the hottest items in the
firearms industry suppressors and also it's ridiculous you can have
a braced pistol, but you can't have an SBR so.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
That makes no sense. And the idea that you have
to pay two hundred dollars and go through all this
rigorm road to put a muffler on your gun that
makes it safer.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
To that's exactly right. And Joe Greenley runs our litigation operation.
He's doing incredible work working together with those other gun groups. Hey,
we filed almost twenty AMEKAS briefs in the last year,
more than anyone else. But Joe is working on NFA
litigation right now. We want to be a leader in
that space as well. But these cases are a lot
of money. If you take some of the Supreme Court,
(10:20):
it's more than a million dollars. But and we will
not file a piece of litigation unless we're committed to
taking it to the Supreme Court. We don't file litigation
to fundraise. We file litigation to win and provide good
case law for the American gun owner. And we're going
to keep doing that now.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
We'll keep watching the Second Amendment cases at the Supreme Court.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
I appreciate what you're doing.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
I'm glad you're telling the story and getting it out
there now because people need to know what's going on
with NRAIOLA, because you're really doing it.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Man, Yes, sir, thank you for having me converciate it.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
Thank you so much. All right, you take care.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
We're going to be right back in just a minute.
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Speaker 2 (13:44):
Oh boy, were having fun around here. We get to
handle a lot of cool guns and do fun stuff. Yeah,
we're at the NRA's annual meetings, having fun here. I
was really glad to be able to get John comerfort
On here. He's the head of the NRA's Institute for
Legislative Action. Because people I keep hearing people say, well,
you know the NRA, Why are you even going to
the NRA. It's it's you know, they're not really protecting
(14:04):
gun rights. I'm going really, are you kidding me? I
mean they're at the lead. I always have been at
the lead. And yeah, there's been a bad We've had
what five years of nastiness with the leadership. Uh, those
guys have gone, and come Monday, more of them are
going to be gone because I think they're going to
be replacing the.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
Officers, some of the officers.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
And that's a good thing because reformers won in the
board elections.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
So we'll see.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
I got my fingers crossed, but I think we've entered
into NRA two point zero. Going to be interesting there,
all right. So we're wandering through the boosts around here,
and right now we're at the Rugger Booth, which, by
the way, the Rugger Booth is now the Ruger and
Marlin Booth, because of course Ruger owns Marlin and producing
some really cool guns. Eric Lundron joins us. Right now, Eric,
(14:51):
why aren't you making more Marlins? How about we just
start off and kick you're right in the chin.
Speaker 11 (14:56):
No, I know, it's that actually is a good question.
Speaker 12 (14:59):
That's the question you get out here. I can't find them.
I want more all the time. But you know, we're
probably making We are probably making as many marlins now
as marlins made before. Really we we are are We
are almost at full capacity just this year.
Speaker 11 (15:15):
I think we are starting to see a flow that
is that is uniform. Our supply chain is good. The
people in charge running the lines and on the lines
are excellent. They've been there for for a long time.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
So the process is what you really are working on
as much as anything else, is making putting guns out
the door, starting the stuff on the one end and
getting guns out the other, and do it in a
consistent manner.
Speaker 7 (15:44):
Yeah, it's it's all about consistency.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
You know.
Speaker 11 (15:48):
At first, it was we paid so much attention to
what the gun looked like. We wanted to run and
and but but they needed to look good. We didn't
want mars the contents that the fit and finished lead.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
It probably slows down the process hugely.
Speaker 7 (16:04):
I mean it was that was a big problem for us.
Speaker 11 (16:07):
But I think that we have instituted some processes to
help with that. But we also have so much more
experience under our belt. It's now we're three plus years
of experience in polishing guns, getting them through the first
time and not having it so.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
You're not lowering the quality or the standards, you're just
able to meet the standards more quickly.
Speaker 7 (16:34):
That's exactly right.
Speaker 11 (16:35):
So you know, two years ago we were making a
gun having to we look at it and say this
is not acceptable. It would go back, it would be
torn down and redone, and it was a process where
you would see guns go back.
Speaker 7 (16:49):
Through a couple of times.
Speaker 11 (16:51):
Now we're nailing them on the first time, first pass.
Yield is way way higher than it was before, So
that's helped us trom.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
One of the things that I know that I used
to say about the old Marlins is there was an
awful lot of handwork and they went into them, which
made an expensive would slowed down the process. Do we
still have the same amount of handwork or have you
been able to use the modern machinery to take care
of a lot of that?
Speaker 11 (17:16):
Yeah, it really it's the modern machinery without Without that,
you would have to if we were doing handwork on guns,
you'd have to charge twenty five hundred dollars for a
gun wow for it. I think that was part of
the problem before Remington was sold to I'm sorry. Before
Marlin was sold to Remington, right, there was so much
handwork that I'm not sure what kind of margins they
(17:39):
were getting on the gun.
Speaker 7 (17:40):
So it may have been small enough to where.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
They really weren't making money on them now and.
Speaker 11 (17:45):
It may have been really the reason that they sold it.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Sure, Okay, so they sold to Remington, Remaeden screwed it up,
like they did everything they touched. I'm sorry, they just did.
I can say that, you don't have to say that.
And then you ended up with Marlin. Ruger ends up
with Marlan, and of course start off with the forty
five to seventy and made a lot of those in
different variations. Now we have the three fifty seven, Magna
(18:12):
what else? So we'll be doing what are you? What
are you doing new? I mean, is there anything new
here or anything you could talk about?
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Or no?
Speaker 11 (18:18):
I well there really there isn't anything I can talk about.
Speaker 7 (18:22):
But you will see something.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Since the problem with you be in publicly traded, normally
you could just say hey, I'm going to tell you
about this thing, and now you go, yeah, well that's
going to throw the stock off and we're going to
have hand listing here in the SEC is going to
be talking to me, and you know, well, put it.
Speaker 11 (18:35):
This way, we are we have been working on new
stuff since since we brought Marlin in. I mean, so
we we we focused heavily on getting that first gun out,
building the foundation, but at the same time we were
also working on.
Speaker 7 (18:55):
Some new things, things that.
Speaker 11 (18:57):
You've probably never seen in Marlin before. Really that you
mean you may see before too long. So I'm excited
about it.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
I think we're Jim's telling me he wants the three
twenty seventh Federal or you got quiet when I say that,
He's thinking, who's.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
Listening to this?
Speaker 7 (19:18):
That would that would be cool?
Speaker 4 (19:20):
Okay, you're allowed to say that, that would be cool. Yeah.
Speaker 11 (19:22):
Yeah, we're not working on that right now, but it is.
Speaker 7 (19:28):
On the radar.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
Probably have a whole wish list.
Speaker 11 (19:31):
Well, we do, and the problem is we're trying to
We've got a back order situation and we're trying to
focus on on on that and you know, I think
our customers sometimes get a little frustrated when they can't
get sure they can't get the three fifty sevens Jordan,
and then you then you're going to introduce.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
A news it's something new to this.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
So how about just making the stuff that you've already
got in the catalog that we're sold. I understand that,
you know, okay, obviously, I'm sure the question you get
like forty two times an hour out here on the
floor is how about twenty twos because that was one
of the things that Marlin is known for making, really
lovely lever action twenty two.
Speaker 7 (20:09):
Yeah, that you know that, the thirty nine and thirty nine.
Speaker 11 (20:11):
The thirty nine a great guns. Oh what a great
guns you know that was that was a gun that
was machined from forgings, just like our ninety fourths and
our ninety fives.
Speaker 7 (20:21):
Three thirty six.
Speaker 11 (20:22):
Is so it would be expensive to make if we
made it the same way.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
And so the question then becomes what people are used
to getting twenty two rifles inexpensively? Would you pay one
thousand dollars would you pay fifteen hundred dollars for a
lever action.
Speaker 11 (20:39):
Twenty tom That that is the question, and it's one
where because there would be significant investment upfront in time,
it would take a long time to do what we
did with the ninety five and the three thirty six.
It would you know it would take a year and
a half of development probably, and.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
That's that's a lot of time and money for our
company to put into that and hope that they're going
to sell enough over a fairly long period of time
to make that money back.
Speaker 7 (21:05):
But we could do it.
Speaker 11 (21:07):
I mean, Marlon may get to a position where we
need to start adding things like that into the line.
That would be a great one to bring back. My
view is that you could probably sell a smaller number
of high priced guns, make them very, very nice, and
and you would get maybe a little bit more margin
for them.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
So sure, okay, just make them really nice, and you
know people there are enough people that would buy a
little bit more expensive gun to say, yeah, I want
the really good stuff here. But that's the balance hat
you have all the time of do we go more
expensive on these and sell fewer of them, do we
go less expensive and we sell a whole lot of them.
(21:48):
Neither one is wrong, right, It's just what works for you.
Speaker 9 (21:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 11 (21:53):
Yeah, when when you when you look at low priced guns,
it is it is a lot more difficult to compete
at the low points because.
Speaker 7 (22:01):
You've gotten nowhere to go. When you go low and
you can't go you know you want to.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
Go solo and then now you're losing money. Yeah, exactly right, Hold.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
On secondre Eric, We'll take a little break here, we'll
come back talk a little bit more about Marlin.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
What's going on.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
They're great guns for Grave seventy three fifty seven. Got
to be some more calibers in our future here and
maybe we'll find out a little bit more about that.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
Will become that.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
I am at the NRA's annual meetings and we're in
the Ruger slash Marlin Boost because they're nice people and
they let us hang out here, have it fun, talk
with some friends around here at the NRA show. Jaylie's
Williams joins us right now. Jelle's I guess we first
met when you were eleven twelve years old and a
(22:43):
competitive shooter at that point, professional competitive shooter?
Speaker 4 (22:46):
How long you been doing this now?
Speaker 7 (22:47):
Eleven years?
Speaker 4 (22:48):
Holy cow? Yep, it's amazing and shooting for Colt.
Speaker 7 (22:54):
Yes, yep.
Speaker 13 (22:54):
I'm one of the Cult pro shooters.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
One of the Cult pro shootings. So are you like
a real professional?
Speaker 13 (23:00):
Yeah, I consider myself a real professional.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
That's what you did?
Speaker 8 (23:04):
Or yes?
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Yeah, well you must.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Be pretty good at it because you just did something
nobody has ever done before.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
Tell me about this team you just made.
Speaker 13 (23:12):
Yes.
Speaker 14 (23:12):
So there was qualifications over the past two years for
the Handgun World Shoot and that will be in South
Africa September. And I was competing on for single stack
and in iPSC that's known as Classic and there's only
four slots on the team.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
And I'm sorry, this is the men's team. Did you
not get the memo on this?
Speaker 13 (23:33):
Well, they don't send a ladies team for Classic.
Speaker 14 (23:36):
So that was my goal is to try and make
the men's and I accomplished that and that had never
been done before in the US, a woman making a
men's team. So I accomplished that in September of last year.
And then my sister Justine, she made it onto the
men's PCC old team in October.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
You guys are ruining everything, you know that.
Speaker 14 (24:01):
It's crazy. We did a month apart, back to back.
So she did it in her PCC and I did
it in my handgun Like it was incredible.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
So where do you go from? What does that do
for you? What do you do with that? Where do
you go?
Speaker 14 (24:13):
So we're going to South Africa to compete in the
World championship. So I'll be on the men's team for
that and that's in September. So that's where we're going.
We're competing for gold medals. Individually, we're competing for gold
medals and teams.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
It's, you know, if they don't want if they don't
want the women to be on the men's team, they
should need to shoot.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
They need shoot better.
Speaker 13 (24:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
Right, it's pretty much what it is.
Speaker 13 (24:36):
Good points or I.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Know you probably have the T shirts and the hats,
but I just love the whole thing of shoot like
a girl if you can, right, yes, ye, all right,
So I just made We just had cam in here
Kim Roady and some years ago I did a little
thing with her and she said, well, where do you think, Tom,
We're of course we're shooting skeet and she's you know,
she is God when it comes to that. Yes, where
(25:00):
do you think? Like a dollar target time? Are you kids?
It's just well, come on, I'm just a girl. Yeah,
six time Olympic champion. Yeah, my gosh, I'm just a girl.
Yeah that doesn't work anymore.
Speaker 13 (25:14):
The greatest of all time.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
It's like, I'm sorry, that doesn't work, you know that, right?
We all are onto you now, right? So, so how
often do you shoot?
Speaker 7 (25:24):
Gosh?
Speaker 13 (25:25):
I try to shoot every day nowadays.
Speaker 14 (25:27):
I do five days a week, really, and then I
travel for two of those days towards matches.
Speaker 13 (25:34):
I am yes, corn and raised.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
Yeah, that's where we came out and did that video
piece with you.
Speaker 14 (25:39):
Yes, I got to show my friends that the other day.
Mitchella and Lanni and Sofia, they were all into the training.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
Who are these little girls who were shooting? Right?
Speaker 13 (25:50):
They're like, what was your first interview?
Speaker 14 (25:51):
And we were all talking each other about it, and
I pulled mine up and we all watched it together.
It was so funny looking back on it all these
years later.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
So what do you What gun are you shooting in
your competition in these days?
Speaker 14 (26:04):
I shoot a cold nineteen eleven Gold Cup Trophy in
nine millimeter?
Speaker 4 (26:08):
Okay, iron sights are irons.
Speaker 14 (26:10):
Irons all the way. I am an iron sight cheater
at heart. I'm learning dots, but man, irons is just
where the love of the game is for me.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
It's interesting you say that because we can agree dots
are faster for a lot of people. That certainly allows
you to be more accurate in some ways. But it
is a different experience.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
It is.
Speaker 14 (26:37):
It's like a brain switch to a completely it's it's
almost a different sports, yes, compared to irons.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
It's it's I love irons.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
I started on irons, You started on irons, And I
can shoot dots and I should I even admit this
in public. I don't enjoy shooting dots the way I
do enjoy shooting irons.
Speaker 14 (27:02):
I understand that I definitely have that in me where
if I have an option at a match to shoot
irons or optics, I'm going to shoot irons, Okay.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
But if they say, okay, you could shoot either one,
but everybody gets to shoot either one in this competition,
are you going to go with it at.
Speaker 13 (27:20):
It depends who's shooting that competition, Okay.
Speaker 14 (27:24):
I make it a goal for myself when I go
shoot competitions, I try and be the best shooter no
matter what I'm shooting, whether it's single sack, it's an
iron sight gun, whatever, like, I want to dominate no
matter if everybody else's shooting dots or not. And I've
worked very hard to get my iron sight shooting to
very high level that I can accomplish that.
Speaker 13 (27:46):
And I've accomplished it quite a bit.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
When you were littler than when I first met you.
Were you always competitive?
Speaker 14 (27:54):
Oh yes, Oh my god. I had a sister. I
have a sister, Justine. She was born sixteen after me,
and so we grew up doing everything together. And my
parents like helped build that competitiveness between us, and that
like bled into the rest of our lives, being just
competitive with everybody over every little thing, Like game night
(28:15):
is a blood show in our house, it really is.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
I could see that.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Yeah, I mean, you know, it's funny because I was
doing a piece of thing with Jerry mentioned it one time,
and we brought some of the action pistol shooters in
to the Olympic Training Center and let them try the
Olympic shooting and talk about your clash of cultures and all.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
But it was just an deal. We're kind of trying
this out.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
And Jerry had a bad round and he came in.
I was interviewing him, and he was all grumpy and all,
and I said, you know, Jerry, it's come on, it's
not a big deal. It's it's just you know, this
is a demo thing.
Speaker 7 (28:50):
He says.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
You don't understand. He says, I want to beat him
at everything. I don't care what it is. I want
to beat him. I don't care if we're racing shopping carts. Yeah,
you know that's you, guys, That's that's what you do.
Speaker 13 (29:00):
Yes, absolutely, that's who you are. It's that competitive drive.
Speaker 14 (29:05):
But it's also like a killer instinct almost, if that
makes sense.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Well, if you don't have it, you're not gonna be
a champion exactly. And you are a champion.
Speaker 13 (29:15):
Thank you, This is great.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Congratulations with whateverthing you're doing shooting for Colt, that's terrific.
Speaker 4 (29:20):
We love seeing what you're up to. Would you keep
us posted as you go through all of this?
Speaker 3 (29:25):
Yes?
Speaker 13 (29:25):
Absolutely, I'd love to say.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
People want to follow you. How's the best way for
them to know what you're up to?
Speaker 14 (29:30):
I'm on Facebook and Instagram. On Instagram I'm jay Lee's
Underscore Williams Underscore shooting. And on Facebook I'm Jaylee's william Shooting.
Speaker 13 (29:39):
I believe I'm on X. Yes, I am on X.
Speaker 7 (29:41):
Why'd I say that?
Speaker 13 (29:42):
I'm on X under jay Lee's W nineteen eleven.
Speaker 7 (29:46):
There you go.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
All right, congratulations and good luck.
Speaker 13 (29:49):
Thank you, thank you for having me on. It's going
to see you again.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
Always a pleasure, All right, We'll be right back.
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Speaker 7 (32:14):
All right, back with you.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
There are a lot of cool companies around here, and
some of them you may not even have heard of,
or you may know the product, but you may not
know the company. And we'll talk a little bit about
that in just a second. We're talking with a longtime friend,
Neil Sanders with us, and I was going to say
from and then I'm going how do I even explain?
You know, it's like tea sauce and mac and that's
(32:36):
and you have been We were talking about this during
the break. You've been in this industry for a long
time and we people move around, they go to different companies.
But this is a fun industry. Other industries are not
this much fun man.
Speaker 7 (32:50):
That's right.
Speaker 4 (32:51):
You tried it, You tried it. You tried to skate.
Speaker 18 (32:52):
I tried to escape for about a year and a
half and they kept pulling me back in. So now
I'm stuck. This is twenty four worth shot show for me.
Speaker 4 (33:01):
Hold are in our race show? Now?
Speaker 7 (33:03):
Are in our rat shows?
Speaker 4 (33:04):
All right? You're the same as me?
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Where am I'm We're sure I'm going to now? All right,
So let's start off with the overall company and what
why don't you give me a breakdown?
Speaker 18 (33:13):
So we're SDS Arms. We under SDS Arms Umbrella. We
have Tea Sauce, Tokerev SPANDAU Military Armament Corp.
Speaker 7 (33:28):
And Ingless.
Speaker 18 (33:30):
All firearms companies we have are all Our manufacturing is
in Turkey and we have about I think right now,
we have twelve different factory partners wow, that are producing
products under each of those.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Brain Turkey has been making guns for a long time.
Long history of making guns in.
Speaker 18 (33:54):
Turkey, Yeah, late fifteen hundred's. Things like that's crazy.
Speaker 7 (34:01):
You know.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Basically when guns started being made pretty much so they've
got long history and a lot of different companies, a
lot of factories over there, and they could do it
pretty much anything.
Speaker 4 (34:10):
You just got an award, by the way we did.
Speaker 18 (34:12):
We got the NRA's Golden Bullseye Award for Shotgun of
the Year for American Riflemen for our what was the
shot gun? It's our mac our Military arm at Corp
ten to fourteen, which is based off the Benelli M
four platform, which is a great proven short form of course,
(34:32):
and we basically took that as the mold and then
put some different little features on it that that maybe
over time people were like, hey, it'd be cool if
it did this.
Speaker 4 (34:46):
What if we could do this? And also Franklin came
in at a really good price.
Speaker 7 (34:50):
Yeah, I mean, you're your sub five hundred dollars.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
Unbelievable, unbelievable. I was at a gun store a few
months ago and just talking to a guy. They about
pistols and all just I didn't know the guy, I
didn't know the storage. He says, have you ever see
a t sauce pistol? I said, well, yeah, he says,
he says. We are selling these like crazy, he says,
and we never get them back. They don't come back
in like with problems or anything. He's he is so
(35:15):
excited to start taking these guns and hand them to
me one after another.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
You've got to see this. You gotta say.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Gorgeous nineteen eleven, you know, just really nice pistols. If
you would talk about t sauce for a second.
Speaker 18 (35:26):
So we started importing Tea sauce. They've been in the
US since ninety three, and we took over that about
seven years ago.
Speaker 7 (35:38):
And the one thing that we.
Speaker 18 (35:40):
Ran into and I would say mainly post COVID because
COVID anybody that made something that went and bang sold right.
But we we have an SDS Turkey office. We have
full time STDs employees that live in Turkey. Oh, we
have an engineer that lives here in the US and
(36:01):
he spends six eight months a year in Turkey on
quality control.
Speaker 7 (36:06):
So we.
Speaker 18 (36:08):
Tisaus knew how to make a nineteen eleven, but we
wanted to make it better. So we have now converted
all the nineteen elevens to where there's no mem parts.
Oh wow, So you know hammer Forge, I mean it's
the quality control, and again nineteen elevens typically don't come
standard with a good trigger. Our triggers are pretty good.
(36:31):
But it's that little detail into my knowledge of all
the in borders. We're the only ones in Turkey that
have an office there and full time employees there and
doing quality control a lot of our stuff. We have
engineers in Knoxville that design the guns and then we
have them make them, and then we're making sure they
(36:51):
make them to our specs.
Speaker 7 (36:52):
Because the double stack craze, as an example, Squire is.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Going to go next is the double stack craze. It's
you know, I've been telling people this is the year
of the double stack nineteen eleven because nobody's figured it out.
Speaker 7 (37:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (37:03):
Yeah, and you guys have a really good one.
Speaker 18 (37:05):
Yeah, under Tea Sauce and under Mac we we have them.
The new Tea Sauce double stack that we launched at
Shot Show in January is you know, bull barrel bushing
list design double stack optics play.
Speaker 4 (37:22):
You know, thirty five hundred dollars not not not.
Speaker 18 (37:28):
Seven fifty nine crazy, you know, And so it it's
became and it wasn't intentional when we launched the first
double stack a year, just over a year ago. The
intention was, Hey, we can make a really cool double stack.
Let's make it with all the bells and whistles. We
did all the bells and whistles, one under MAC under
military arm, and then the tea sauce was more the
(37:50):
standard and it became the.
Speaker 7 (37:55):
Entry level. But I'm going to go tweak it all myself.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
Ah, okay, say it back to the original nineteen eleven,
which a lot of us did many years ago. You
get to nineteen oo and then you start just adding,
tweaking and making it your own kind of it we
do with rs these days exactly.
Speaker 18 (38:11):
And so now hey, I want my own grip module,
I want my own controls. And then they all start
changing them and it is taking off. We can't make
them faster really, yeah, under Tea sauce.
Speaker 7 (38:22):
Or MAC of them.
Speaker 4 (38:23):
Yeah amazing.
Speaker 18 (38:25):
So nine milimeter nine millimeter for the double stacks, yep, exactly,
and retailing from seven to fifty nine to eleven hundred
for the MAC that's comped and got all the slide
cuts and everything else.
Speaker 11 (38:38):
I mean.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
And this is in a world where now it's kind
of expected. A lot of these double stacks are literally
twenty five hundred and thirty five hundred bucks.
Speaker 4 (38:45):
Yeah, so to start to start, yes.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
To start, Yeah, as I say, that's just the anti
to get into the game here.
Speaker 4 (38:51):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
You'll hold on a second here, I can take a
quick break here or dog with Neil Sanders and talk
about tea sauce and mac and spend out and go off.
We'll talk about I don't know what all up are,
but you know we'll talk about that when we come back.
We're having fun here at the NRA's annual meetings.
Speaker 4 (39:07):
And Atlanta, Georgia. I'm Tom Gresham. This is gun Talk.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
With Neil Sanders from SDS and I guess we are
to get about the website because I forgot to do that.
Speaker 18 (39:25):
SDSP They go SDS arms dot com, SDS arms dot Com.
Speaker 4 (39:31):
That covers all the different brands.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
Yes, okay, correct, because you've got pistols, rifles, shotguns, correct, okay,
squirt guns, anything else you're going to get into.
Speaker 3 (39:41):
I mean, I don't know, high power, you don't care,
you'll you'll.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
Do anything on tifical bolt actions, both actions. Okay, all right, good,
we're getting there. Things we can't talk about here over
and unders.
Speaker 7 (39:53):
Really cool yeah, and really nice over and unders and oh.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
I know it's going to ask you what these guns
coming in from Turkey? I ask you during the break
and you said yes, but I want to get it
out here. Can you still get really nice Turkish walnut
these days? Yes you can't.
Speaker 18 (40:09):
Yeah, Actually are ten fourteen and M two tactical shotguns
under mac.
Speaker 7 (40:15):
Some people are looking at the wood and.
Speaker 4 (40:17):
They're like tactical seeh I got with good wood?
Speaker 7 (40:20):
Yeah, And they're like, hey, wait a minute, I don't
want to dirty this one up.
Speaker 4 (40:24):
I don't want to throw this in down on the
ground and do all the stuff we do with them.
Speaker 7 (40:27):
Yeah, it's too pretty to go do that. That's but like, well, sorry,
you know.
Speaker 4 (40:33):
I'm sorry for an upgrade. We can give you some
bad wood. How's that?
Speaker 1 (40:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (40:36):
Exactly?
Speaker 4 (40:37):
The love charge here?
Speaker 3 (40:39):
Sure?
Speaker 7 (40:39):
Sure lord.
Speaker 4 (40:41):
So where do you get your ideas for new products? Oh?
Speaker 18 (40:44):
Well, I mean shows like this. This has a lot
to do with it, you know, is and we look
at data. I mean data kind of tells you.
Speaker 4 (40:52):
Yeah, we're worth the market going when people want right right?
Speaker 18 (40:55):
And then does it fit our niche and does it
fit our brands? Because each of us rands are a
little different, you know, military arma at Corp MAC it's
kind of that nostalgic global War on tear stuff with
a jsock nineteen eleven. You know, we do an MP
five clone color MAC five. You know the ten fourteen,
(41:17):
which an M four clone and an M two clone. Right,
So all of those kind of fall into that TA
sauce again mainly known for their nineteen elevens. They have
some polymer pistols too. Under the PX line. We sell
a bunch of those too good entry level price point products.
Getting the everyday shooter into a nineteen eleven. Hey, I
(41:39):
always wanted one, but you can get one for sub
five hundred dollars.
Speaker 4 (41:43):
Yeah, a lot of value, a lot of value. Yeah.
It makes it accessible right to get in. And then
you say, okay, you know if you want to upgrade,
we have that too.
Speaker 18 (41:52):
Sure, Yeah, I want a stainless steel blah blah blah
with all these bells and whistles. Great, we have that
also with you know, G ten grips or whatever you
might want on it.
Speaker 11 (42:03):
Uh.
Speaker 18 (42:03):
So we offer those options as well, and then we
just pay attention to the market and see what it's doing.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
All right, uh And the thirty second answer. Here, are
you guys going to get hit with tariffs?
Speaker 7 (42:14):
Yes, we are hit with tariffs.
Speaker 18 (42:16):
Okay, so we we looked at it and currently turkeys
and they might can look that up is ten percent
and so we're making a price adjustment right now.
Speaker 4 (42:27):
Yeah, that's not killer.
Speaker 18 (42:29):
No, and we're not we're not raising our prices ten percent.
We're going to eat part of it too, okay, and
so it'll impact some some You like those nice round numbers,
you know, hey, what is your gun MSRP for? And
you tell them and it's like ooh, and well, now
it's not as sexy of a number as it used
to be.
Speaker 4 (42:46):
But that's okay, it's okay. Yeah, we're all living with it.
Then we go through this tumultuous time and we'll get
on the backside of the Yeah. Yeah, I appreciate you
spend some time with us. This is fun to learn
about what you guys are up to.
Speaker 7 (42:57):
Yeah, it's fun.
Speaker 4 (42:58):
Sdsarms dot com that's the one. There you go. You
can take a look at all the cool stuff.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
And that's like the guy in the store said, you
need to look at these these things are really good.
I was impressed. He was really telling me all about it,
and so I started learning things.
Speaker 4 (43:12):
Neil. It's always pleasure, man, absolutely, I appreciate it. You bet.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
Take care, all right. So we are wrapping up here
at the NRA's annual meetings. So let me just tell you,
if you have never been to one, try to make
plans next year to go to it. It's really fun.
You get to handle the guns, you get to talk
to interesting people, and you know what, you might even
meet somebody from gun Talk like me.
Speaker 4 (43:34):
You go out and do some shooting, take somebody with you,
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Speaker 2 (43:37):
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
All right, back with you, Tom Gresham. At the na's
annual meetings here in Atlanta. We ought to talk to
somebody from the NRA. Oh yeah, well, let's talk to
somebody knows about litigation and legislation. John Comerford is the
head of the NRA's Institute for Legislative Action. John, Thanks
for being here, man. Oh wait a minute, let me
hit the button there so I tell me go ahead.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Tom, happy to be here, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
So all right.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Last night you presented a video from President Trump.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Yes we did.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
You know, he's not.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Here and people made a big deal not there. Well,
it turns out he couldn't have been here anyway because
he's going to the Pope's funeral, So that worked out okay.
But he actually had some news, some kind of breaking
news in his video that you aired here.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
You want to talk about that, yeah, absolutely. You know,
the President was nice enough to address our members through
his video. We showed it last night. We're gonna show
it again tomorrow in our members meeting. But what I
had told you is some definitive news on the pistol
brace band. So if you see in the video, he
definitively says they're ending the pistol brase ban. Now that's
a rule. It's going to take a little bit of
time to get that done. And we knew this was
(01:32):
coming because of his executive order where he asked Attorney
General Bondi to fix the wrongs of the Biden administration.
And it suggests new reforms to further Second Amendment rights.
And we're seeing action incrementally and that report is coming.
But the President last night in that video said we're
ending the pistol brase ban. So that most popular firem
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that and we got to give the consumer what they want.
That's options.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Well, you know how it worked. We always say that's great.
Now let's talk about the next thing. Right, It's like,
what have you done for me lately? Because that was
a full twelve hours ago. Man, come on, all right,
So we got the pistol brace it's going away. The
pistol brates ban is going away. What can we look
for on our wish list, because I mean, you're talking
to the people in the White House and they are
(02:20):
actively working on this. They got people who are working
on cleaning up what's going on with the Secondmendment and
with gun bands and restrictions and everything else.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
What's on the list? What are we going to get
out of this?
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Well, as your listeners know, there's plenty of work to
be done at the ATF. I mean, it's the place
has been a mess. The stories are timeless on what
they've done to gun owners, particularly in the last four years.
But the Attorney General has directed that agency, so it
falls under DOJ. They've made staff changes. We obviously saw
some changes in the acting director. They put another Senate
(02:52):
confirms political appointee is acting and eventually we'll get a
Senate confirmed, permanent director. But they're making those changes and
I think what you're going to see is keep tuned.
Next week there's a potential that that report will come
out that was due back. It was done on time. However,
Administrative Procedures Act process is complex and they want to
make sure they have things right. But what I heard,
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and I won't say names from the White House, but
someone senior there told me and I quote, we've never
seen anything like this, and you guys will be very happy.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
What does that mean?
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Well, I think it's I think I may have mentioned
last time we talked. We've provided the White House with
a thirty plus page document, so called wish list of
items that needed to be fixed and furthering things, and
just a brief example, Page one was getting rid of
the frame and receiver rule because that's a problem for
home manufactured firearms. It's a problem for ambiguity in the
rule on commercial manufacturers. But we went all the way
(03:46):
from there to ending the report with advocating to reopen
the machine gun Amnesty because there's a period that that
could happen on pre eighty six firems. So we're advocating
for everything we possibly can, because you're not going to
get it unless you ask.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Well, and there are some things that they can't do administratively.
I mean they can't if it's in the law, and
I'm specifically thinking about suppressors. You know, that's actually part
of a law passed by Congress, so they can't arbitrary
say okay, well suddenly you know there's no restrictions on suppressors.
But that doesn't mean we can't work on trying to
get something done there.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Well, if you look at NFA in general, look what
the ATF did when they arbitrarily ban braces and you
had to you had a quote unquote amnesty to register
your so called SBR under their new rule tax free.
There's nothing in the statute that gives ATF the authority,
but they did it anyway. So we got to look
for creative ways there. Get to look at the reconciliation
(04:40):
process because the suppressors are in the NFA through the
tax code, so why couldn't they Why couldn't they be
removed from the NFA through that process. So I think
there's some some different things to look at. 're reducing
the tax in general, but ITERA is going to try
to advocate for as much as we can for the
American gun owner. Why we can't we have a once
in a generation opportunity to fix and restore Second Amendment
(05:03):
rights in this country under President Trump's leadership, and we're
going to work to do that.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Yeah, this is a very narrow window. We're really talking
eighteen months, you know, I mean by the time midterms
get here, who knows what happens so yeah, they got
to move fast, and they are moving fast.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
And Tom, you know your listeners out there. A lot
of people gave Attorney General Bondi some criticism when she
came in. Sure, we heard some of the comments that
happened after twenty eighteen, and I can understand that. But
what I judge is action, and she's running with President
Trump's leadership. And I want to talk about creativity for
a second. I just mentioned that, let's take a look
at what they did from DOJ in regards to restoration
(05:39):
of rights. The Schumer rider that's been around for more
than twenty five years, that prohibited ATF from working on
that process to restore the rights of individuals who have
had those deprived. What did DOJ do? They found creativity
and they realized the writer only applied to ATF, it
didn't apply to the Pardon Attorney's office. They directed the
(06:01):
Pardon Attorney to work on this and the first recipie
of that was mister melgi Or Gibson. So if I
think that gives confidence in what they're doing, and I
think as that department gets staffed up, we're going to
see more because it takes time to staff these big agencies.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Let me say something here, because you're talking to the
White House directly, you're you've got a pipeline in there.
And there are people out there in our world who
continue to say, well, the NA is really not a
factor and Second Amendment they're not there anymore.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
Why we pay attention?
Speaker 2 (06:31):
And I keep saying, you have no idea what's actually
going on? And I hear people all the time say
why is it the NRA doing X? And I always
tell them, why do you think they're not? Just because
you don't know about it doesn't mean they're not things
that are happening. And this is a prime example of
it of you're doing things that frankly, no other group
(06:54):
can or is doing.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
We've always been held to a different accountable standard, right
and the media never writes anything positive, and some in
the Second Amendment community, more on the influencer side, they
don't They don't write anything positive as well, so people
don't hear the good things. But we are having those conversations.
The fact is, the senior leadership in the US Congress
and the senior leadership within the President Trump's staff they
(07:18):
call the NA first. And we have we have alumni
from our staff in the White House right now who
worked for NRA, So they make that call. But a
lot of these things get done in private. That's just
the nature of politics. Yes, And we can't talk about
everything we're working on because then they won't call us.
And I don't have the luxury of just making things
up and putting them on social media and hope and
(07:38):
they're true. But NA is committed to working with the
other gun groups that are out there because it's for
the greater good. And we've been trying to do that
with our.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Actually don't know, they don't know that NRA works with
Second Moon Foundation, a FBC and GOA and other groups.
And there are a lot of these cases, these court
cases where you look at you go, oh, look, there's
all these.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Groups working together exactly right.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Frankly, Sometimes there'll be some groups that want to beat
up on the NRA, but that's a fundraising effort really,
and we get it. We understand what's going on, right.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
And if you look at let's go look at a
really recent example, the Toronto case. That's an individual in Washington,
DC that was involved in January sixth. They found a
CZ scorpion on his person and then ATF was going through.
DJ was going after him for NFA violations, even though
they said they wouldn't do that on a brace. Pistol
n broke that story. We're the first ones to report
(08:30):
on it, and credit where credits due. GA and others
jumped in and submitted requests on that to defend that individual,
and DJ dropped the charges on the NFA. But what
did I see on the internet? Every other gun group
did something, no mention of NRAA. But you know what,
in the end, the fact is we got it changed
and that's all that matters to me.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
So what else can we get? Do you think?
Speaker 2 (08:53):
I mean if you say, okay, you know in our
wish list, what's going to come our way?
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Well, look, we've talked four on. Our top priority is
HR thirty eight, concealed carry reciprocity. There is a sixty
voter threshold in the Senate. However, I don't know what
the future holds, so I want to get that bill
in the Senate. There may be a must pass vehicle
that comes along that we can attach it to. The
Republicans may go nuclear and get rid of the filibuster.
We know the Democrats will. Yeah, we absolutely know they've
(09:21):
said they'll do it sure, so if Republicans decide to
do that, they may make parliamentary changes. I don't know
what the future holds, but what I want to know
is I want to be ready if an opportunity comes up.
So we want to move that first. That has the
most co sponsors of any gun bill in Congress right now,
more than one hundred and eighty, the most since twenty seventeen.
We want to work on NFA changes, of course, because
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everyone here what's one of the hottest items in the
firearms industry suppressors and also it's ridiculous you can have
a braced pistol, but you can't have an SBR so.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
That makes no sense. And the idea that you have
to pay two hundred dollars and go through all this
rigorm road to put a muffler on your gun that
makes it safer.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
To that's exactly right. And Joe Greenley runs our litigation operation.
He's doing incredible work working together with those other gun groups. Hey,
we filed almost twenty AMEKAS briefs in the last year,
more than anyone else. But Joe is working on NFA
litigation right now. We want to be a leader in
that space as well. But these cases are a lot
of money. If you take some of the Supreme Court,
(10:20):
it's more than a million dollars. But and we will
not file a piece of litigation unless we're committed to
taking it to the Supreme Court. We don't file litigation
to fundraise. We file litigation to win and provide good
case law for the American gun owner. And we're going
to keep doing that now.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
We'll keep watching the Second Amendment cases at the Supreme Court.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
I appreciate what you're doing.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
I'm glad you're telling the story and getting it out
there now because people need to know what's going on
with NRAIOLA, because you're really doing it.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Man, Yes, sir, thank you for having me converciate it.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
Thank you so much. All right, you take care.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
We're going to be right back in just a minute.
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Speaker 2 (13:44):
Oh boy, were having fun around here. We get to
handle a lot of cool guns and do fun stuff. Yeah,
we're at the NRA's annual meetings, having fun here. I
was really glad to be able to get John comerfort
On here. He's the head of the NRA's Institute for
Legislative Action. Because people I keep hearing people say, well,
you know the NRA, Why are you even going to
the NRA. It's it's you know, they're not really protecting
(14:04):
gun rights. I'm going really, are you kidding me? I
mean they're at the lead. I always have been at
the lead. And yeah, there's been a bad We've had
what five years of nastiness with the leadership. Uh, those
guys have gone, and come Monday, more of them are
going to be gone because I think they're going to
be replacing the.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
Officers, some of the officers.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
And that's a good thing because reformers won in the
board elections.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
So we'll see.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
I got my fingers crossed, but I think we've entered
into NRA two point zero. Going to be interesting there,
all right. So we're wandering through the boosts around here,
and right now we're at the Rugger Booth, which, by
the way, the Rugger Booth is now the Ruger and
Marlin Booth, because of course Ruger owns Marlin and producing
some really cool guns. Eric Lundron joins us. Right now, Eric,
(14:51):
why aren't you making more Marlins? How about we just
start off and kick you're right in the chin.
Speaker 11 (14:56):
No, I know, it's that actually is a good question.
Speaker 12 (14:59):
That's the question you get out here. I can't find them.
I want more all the time. But you know, we're
probably making We are probably making as many marlins now
as marlins made before. Really we we are are We
are almost at full capacity just this year.
Speaker 11 (15:15):
I think we are starting to see a flow that
is that is uniform. Our supply chain is good. The
people in charge running the lines and on the lines
are excellent. They've been there for for a long time.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
So the process is what you really are working on
as much as anything else, is making putting guns out
the door, starting the stuff on the one end and
getting guns out the other, and do it in a
consistent manner.
Speaker 7 (15:44):
Yeah, it's it's all about consistency.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
You know.
Speaker 11 (15:48):
At first, it was we paid so much attention to
what the gun looked like. We wanted to run and
and but but they needed to look good. We didn't
want mars the contents that the fit and finished lead.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
It probably slows down the process hugely.
Speaker 7 (16:04):
I mean it was that was a big problem for us.
Speaker 11 (16:07):
But I think that we have instituted some processes to
help with that. But we also have so much more
experience under our belt. It's now we're three plus years
of experience in polishing guns, getting them through the first
time and not having it so.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
You're not lowering the quality or the standards, you're just
able to meet the standards more quickly.
Speaker 7 (16:34):
That's exactly right.
Speaker 11 (16:35):
So you know, two years ago we were making a
gun having to we look at it and say this
is not acceptable. It would go back, it would be
torn down and redone, and it was a process where
you would see guns go back.
Speaker 7 (16:49):
Through a couple of times.
Speaker 11 (16:51):
Now we're nailing them on the first time, first pass.
Yield is way way higher than it was before, So
that's helped us trom.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
One of the things that I know that I used
to say about the old Marlins is there was an
awful lot of handwork and they went into them, which
made an expensive would slowed down the process. Do we
still have the same amount of handwork or have you
been able to use the modern machinery to take care
of a lot of that?
Speaker 11 (17:16):
Yeah, it really it's the modern machinery without Without that,
you would have to if we were doing handwork on guns,
you'd have to charge twenty five hundred dollars for a
gun wow for it. I think that was part of
the problem before Remington was sold to I'm sorry. Before
Marlin was sold to Remington, right, there was so much
handwork that I'm not sure what kind of margins they
(17:39):
were getting on the gun.
Speaker 7 (17:40):
So it may have been small enough to where.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
They really weren't making money on them now and.
Speaker 11 (17:45):
It may have been really the reason that they sold it.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Sure, Okay, so they sold to Remington, Remaeden screwed it up,
like they did everything they touched. I'm sorry, they just did.
I can say that, you don't have to say that.
And then you ended up with Marlin. Ruger ends up
with Marlan, and of course start off with the forty
five to seventy and made a lot of those in
different variations. Now we have the three fifty seven, Magna
(18:12):
what else? So we'll be doing what are you? What
are you doing new? I mean, is there anything new
here or anything you could talk about?
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Or no?
Speaker 11 (18:18):
I well there really there isn't anything I can talk about.
Speaker 7 (18:22):
But you will see something.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Since the problem with you be in publicly traded, normally
you could just say hey, I'm going to tell you
about this thing, and now you go, yeah, well that's
going to throw the stock off and we're going to
have hand listing here in the SEC is going to
be talking to me, and you know, well, put it.
Speaker 11 (18:35):
This way, we are we have been working on new
stuff since since we brought Marlin in. I mean, so
we we we focused heavily on getting that first gun out,
building the foundation, but at the same time we were
also working on.
Speaker 7 (18:55):
Some new things, things that.
Speaker 11 (18:57):
You've probably never seen in Marlin before. Really that you
mean you may see before too long. So I'm excited
about it.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
I think we're Jim's telling me he wants the three
twenty seventh Federal or you got quiet when I say that,
He's thinking, who's.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
Listening to this?
Speaker 7 (19:18):
That would that would be cool?
Speaker 4 (19:20):
Okay, you're allowed to say that, that would be cool. Yeah.
Speaker 11 (19:22):
Yeah, we're not working on that right now, but it is.
Speaker 7 (19:28):
On the radar.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
Probably have a whole wish list.
Speaker 11 (19:31):
Well, we do, and the problem is we're trying to
We've got a back order situation and we're trying to
focus on on on that and you know, I think
our customers sometimes get a little frustrated when they can't
get sure they can't get the three fifty sevens Jordan,
and then you then you're going to introduce.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
A news it's something new to this.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
So how about just making the stuff that you've already
got in the catalog that we're sold. I understand that,
you know, okay, obviously, I'm sure the question you get
like forty two times an hour out here on the
floor is how about twenty twos because that was one
of the things that Marlin is known for making, really
lovely lever action twenty two.
Speaker 7 (20:09):
Yeah, that you know that, the thirty nine and thirty nine.
Speaker 11 (20:11):
The thirty nine a great guns. Oh what a great
guns you know that was that was a gun that
was machined from forgings, just like our ninety fourths and
our ninety fives.
Speaker 7 (20:21):
Three thirty six.
Speaker 11 (20:22):
Is so it would be expensive to make if we
made it the same way.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
And so the question then becomes what people are used
to getting twenty two rifles inexpensively? Would you pay one
thousand dollars would you pay fifteen hundred dollars for a
lever action.
Speaker 11 (20:39):
Twenty tom That that is the question, and it's one
where because there would be significant investment upfront in time,
it would take a long time to do what we
did with the ninety five and the three thirty six.
It would you know it would take a year and
a half of development probably, and.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
That's that's a lot of time and money for our
company to put into that and hope that they're going
to sell enough over a fairly long period of time
to make that money back.
Speaker 7 (21:05):
But we could do it.
Speaker 11 (21:07):
I mean, Marlon may get to a position where we
need to start adding things like that into the line.
That would be a great one to bring back. My
view is that you could probably sell a smaller number
of high priced guns, make them very, very nice, and
and you would get maybe a little bit more margin
for them.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
So sure, okay, just make them really nice, and you
know people there are enough people that would buy a
little bit more expensive gun to say, yeah, I want
the really good stuff here. But that's the balance hat
you have all the time of do we go more
expensive on these and sell fewer of them, do we
go less expensive and we sell a whole lot of them.
(21:48):
Neither one is wrong, right, It's just what works for you.
Speaker 9 (21:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 11 (21:53):
Yeah, when when you when you look at low priced guns,
it is it is a lot more difficult to compete
at the low points because.
Speaker 7 (22:01):
You've gotten nowhere to go. When you go low and
you can't go you know you want to.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
Go solo and then now you're losing money. Yeah, exactly right, Hold.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
On secondre Eric, We'll take a little break here, we'll
come back talk a little bit more about Marlin.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
What's going on.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
They're great guns for Grave seventy three fifty seven. Got
to be some more calibers in our future here and
maybe we'll find out a little bit more about that.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
Will become that.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
I am at the NRA's annual meetings and we're in
the Ruger slash Marlin Boost because they're nice people and
they let us hang out here, have it fun, talk
with some friends around here at the NRA show. Jaylie's
Williams joins us right now. Jelle's I guess we first
met when you were eleven twelve years old and a
(22:43):
competitive shooter at that point, professional competitive shooter?
Speaker 4 (22:46):
How long you been doing this now?
Speaker 7 (22:47):
Eleven years?
Speaker 4 (22:48):
Holy cow? Yep, it's amazing and shooting for Colt.
Speaker 7 (22:54):
Yes, yep.
Speaker 13 (22:54):
I'm one of the Cult pro shooters.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
One of the Cult pro shootings. So are you like
a real professional?
Speaker 13 (23:00):
Yeah, I consider myself a real professional.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
That's what you did?
Speaker 8 (23:04):
Or yes?
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Yeah, well you must.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Be pretty good at it because you just did something
nobody has ever done before.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
Tell me about this team you just made.
Speaker 13 (23:12):
Yes.
Speaker 14 (23:12):
So there was qualifications over the past two years for
the Handgun World Shoot and that will be in South
Africa September. And I was competing on for single stack
and in iPSC that's known as Classic and there's only
four slots on the team.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
And I'm sorry, this is the men's team. Did you
not get the memo on this?
Speaker 13 (23:33):
Well, they don't send a ladies team for Classic.
Speaker 14 (23:36):
So that was my goal is to try and make
the men's and I accomplished that and that had never
been done before in the US, a woman making a
men's team. So I accomplished that in September of last year.
And then my sister Justine, she made it onto the
men's PCC old team in October.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
You guys are ruining everything, you know that.
Speaker 14 (24:01):
It's crazy. We did a month apart, back to back.
So she did it in her PCC and I did
it in my handgun Like it was incredible.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
So where do you go from? What does that do
for you? What do you do with that? Where do
you go?
Speaker 14 (24:13):
So we're going to South Africa to compete in the
World championship. So I'll be on the men's team for
that and that's in September. So that's where we're going.
We're competing for gold medals. Individually, we're competing for gold
medals and teams.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
It's, you know, if they don't want if they don't
want the women to be on the men's team, they
should need to shoot.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
They need shoot better.
Speaker 13 (24:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
Right, it's pretty much what it is.
Speaker 13 (24:36):
Good points or I.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Know you probably have the T shirts and the hats,
but I just love the whole thing of shoot like
a girl if you can, right, yes, ye, all right,
So I just made We just had cam in here
Kim Roady and some years ago I did a little
thing with her and she said, well, where do you think, Tom,
We're of course we're shooting skeet and she's you know,
she is God when it comes to that. Yes, where
(25:00):
do you think? Like a dollar target time? Are you kids?
It's just well, come on, I'm just a girl. Yeah,
six time Olympic champion. Yeah, my gosh, I'm just a girl.
Yeah that doesn't work anymore.
Speaker 13 (25:14):
The greatest of all time.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
It's like, I'm sorry, that doesn't work, you know that, right?
We all are onto you now, right? So, so how
often do you shoot?
Speaker 7 (25:24):
Gosh?
Speaker 13 (25:25):
I try to shoot every day nowadays.
Speaker 14 (25:27):
I do five days a week, really, and then I
travel for two of those days towards matches.
Speaker 13 (25:34):
I am yes, corn and raised.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
Yeah, that's where we came out and did that video
piece with you.
Speaker 14 (25:39):
Yes, I got to show my friends that the other day.
Mitchella and Lanni and Sofia, they were all into the training.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
Who are these little girls who were shooting? Right?
Speaker 13 (25:50):
They're like, what was your first interview?
Speaker 14 (25:51):
And we were all talking each other about it, and
I pulled mine up and we all watched it together.
It was so funny looking back on it all these
years later.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
So what do you What gun are you shooting in
your competition in these days?
Speaker 14 (26:04):
I shoot a cold nineteen eleven Gold Cup Trophy in
nine millimeter?
Speaker 4 (26:08):
Okay, iron sights are irons.
Speaker 14 (26:10):
Irons all the way. I am an iron sight cheater
at heart. I'm learning dots, but man, irons is just
where the love of the game is for me.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
It's interesting you say that because we can agree dots
are faster for a lot of people. That certainly allows
you to be more accurate in some ways. But it
is a different experience.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
It is.
Speaker 14 (26:37):
It's like a brain switch to a completely it's it's
almost a different sports, yes, compared to irons.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
It's it's I love irons.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
I started on irons, You started on irons, And I
can shoot dots and I should I even admit this
in public. I don't enjoy shooting dots the way I
do enjoy shooting irons.
Speaker 14 (27:02):
I understand that I definitely have that in me where
if I have an option at a match to shoot
irons or optics, I'm going to shoot irons, Okay.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
But if they say, okay, you could shoot either one,
but everybody gets to shoot either one in this competition,
are you going to go with it at.
Speaker 13 (27:20):
It depends who's shooting that competition, Okay.
Speaker 14 (27:24):
I make it a goal for myself when I go
shoot competitions, I try and be the best shooter no
matter what I'm shooting, whether it's single sack, it's an
iron sight gun, whatever, like, I want to dominate no
matter if everybody else's shooting dots or not. And I've
worked very hard to get my iron sight shooting to
very high level that I can accomplish that.
Speaker 13 (27:46):
And I've accomplished it quite a bit.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
When you were littler than when I first met you.
Were you always competitive?
Speaker 14 (27:54):
Oh yes, Oh my god. I had a sister. I
have a sister, Justine. She was born sixteen after me,
and so we grew up doing everything together. And my
parents like helped build that competitiveness between us, and that
like bled into the rest of our lives, being just
competitive with everybody over every little thing, Like game night
(28:15):
is a blood show in our house, it really is.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
I could see that.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Yeah, I mean, you know, it's funny because I was
doing a piece of thing with Jerry mentioned it one time,
and we brought some of the action pistol shooters in
to the Olympic Training Center and let them try the
Olympic shooting and talk about your clash of cultures and all.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
But it was just an deal. We're kind of trying
this out.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
And Jerry had a bad round and he came in.
I was interviewing him, and he was all grumpy and all,
and I said, you know, Jerry, it's come on, it's
not a big deal. It's it's just you know, this
is a demo thing.
Speaker 7 (28:50):
He says.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
You don't understand. He says, I want to beat him
at everything. I don't care what it is. I want
to beat him. I don't care if we're racing shopping carts. Yeah,
you know that's you, guys, That's that's what you do.
Speaker 13 (29:00):
Yes, absolutely, that's who you are. It's that competitive drive.
Speaker 14 (29:05):
But it's also like a killer instinct almost, if that
makes sense.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Well, if you don't have it, you're not gonna be
a champion exactly. And you are a champion.
Speaker 13 (29:15):
Thank you, This is great.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Congratulations with whateverthing you're doing shooting for Colt, that's terrific.
Speaker 4 (29:20):
We love seeing what you're up to. Would you keep
us posted as you go through all of this?
Speaker 3 (29:25):
Yes?
Speaker 13 (29:25):
Absolutely, I'd love to say.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
People want to follow you. How's the best way for
them to know what you're up to?
Speaker 14 (29:30):
I'm on Facebook and Instagram. On Instagram I'm jay Lee's
Underscore Williams Underscore shooting. And on Facebook I'm Jaylee's william Shooting.
Speaker 13 (29:39):
I believe I'm on X. Yes, I am on X.
Speaker 7 (29:41):
Why'd I say that?
Speaker 13 (29:42):
I'm on X under jay Lee's W nineteen eleven.
Speaker 7 (29:46):
There you go.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
All right, congratulations and good luck.
Speaker 13 (29:49):
Thank you, thank you for having me on. It's going
to see you again.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
Always a pleasure, All right, We'll be right back.
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Speaker 7 (32:14):
All right, back with you.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
There are a lot of cool companies around here, and
some of them you may not even have heard of,
or you may know the product, but you may not
know the company. And we'll talk a little bit about
that in just a second. We're talking with a longtime friend,
Neil Sanders with us, and I was going to say
from and then I'm going how do I even explain?
You know, it's like tea sauce and mac and that's
(32:36):
and you have been We were talking about this during
the break. You've been in this industry for a long
time and we people move around, they go to different companies.
But this is a fun industry. Other industries are not
this much fun man.
Speaker 7 (32:50):
That's right.
Speaker 4 (32:51):
You tried it, You tried it. You tried to skate.
Speaker 18 (32:52):
I tried to escape for about a year and a
half and they kept pulling me back in. So now
I'm stuck. This is twenty four worth shot show for me.
Speaker 4 (33:01):
Hold are in our race show? Now?
Speaker 7 (33:03):
Are in our rat shows?
Speaker 4 (33:04):
All right? You're the same as me?
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Where am I'm We're sure I'm going to now? All right,
So let's start off with the overall company and what
why don't you give me a breakdown?
Speaker 18 (33:13):
So we're SDS Arms. We under SDS Arms Umbrella. We
have Tea Sauce, Tokerev SPANDAU Military Armament Corp.
Speaker 7 (33:28):
And Ingless.
Speaker 18 (33:30):
All firearms companies we have are all Our manufacturing is
in Turkey and we have about I think right now,
we have twelve different factory partners wow, that are producing
products under each of those.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Brain Turkey has been making guns for a long time.
Long history of making guns in.
Speaker 18 (33:54):
Turkey, Yeah, late fifteen hundred's. Things like that's crazy.
Speaker 7 (34:01):
You know.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Basically when guns started being made pretty much so they've
got long history and a lot of different companies, a
lot of factories over there, and they could do it
pretty much anything.
Speaker 4 (34:10):
You just got an award, by the way we did.
Speaker 18 (34:12):
We got the NRA's Golden Bullseye Award for Shotgun of
the Year for American Riflemen for our what was the
shot gun? It's our mac our Military arm at Corp
ten to fourteen, which is based off the Benelli M
four platform, which is a great proven short form of course,
(34:32):
and we basically took that as the mold and then
put some different little features on it that that maybe
over time people were like, hey, it'd be cool if
it did this.
Speaker 4 (34:46):
What if we could do this? And also Franklin came
in at a really good price.
Speaker 7 (34:50):
Yeah, I mean, you're your sub five hundred dollars.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
Unbelievable, unbelievable. I was at a gun store a few
months ago and just talking to a guy. They about
pistols and all just I didn't know the guy, I
didn't know the storage. He says, have you ever see
a t sauce pistol? I said, well, yeah, he says,
he says. We are selling these like crazy, he says,
and we never get them back. They don't come back
in like with problems or anything. He's he is so
(35:15):
excited to start taking these guns and hand them to
me one after another.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
You've got to see this. You gotta say.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Gorgeous nineteen eleven, you know, just really nice pistols. If
you would talk about t sauce for a second.
Speaker 18 (35:26):
So we started importing Tea sauce. They've been in the
US since ninety three, and we took over that about
seven years ago.
Speaker 7 (35:38):
And the one thing that we.
Speaker 18 (35:40):
Ran into and I would say mainly post COVID because
COVID anybody that made something that went and bang sold right.
But we we have an SDS Turkey office. We have
full time STDs employees that live in Turkey. Oh, we
have an engineer that lives here in the US and
(36:01):
he spends six eight months a year in Turkey on
quality control.
Speaker 7 (36:06):
So we.
Speaker 18 (36:08):
Tisaus knew how to make a nineteen eleven, but we
wanted to make it better. So we have now converted
all the nineteen elevens to where there's no mem parts.
Oh wow, So you know hammer Forge, I mean it's
the quality control, and again nineteen elevens typically don't come
standard with a good trigger. Our triggers are pretty good.
(36:31):
But it's that little detail into my knowledge of all
the in borders. We're the only ones in Turkey that
have an office there and full time employees there and
doing quality control a lot of our stuff. We have
engineers in Knoxville that design the guns and then we
have them make them, and then we're making sure they
(36:51):
make them to our specs.
Speaker 7 (36:52):
Because the double stack craze, as an example, Squire is.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Going to go next is the double stack craze. It's
you know, I've been telling people this is the year
of the double stack nineteen eleven because nobody's figured it out.
Speaker 7 (37:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (37:03):
Yeah, and you guys have a really good one.
Speaker 18 (37:05):
Yeah, under Tea Sauce and under Mac we we have them.
The new Tea Sauce double stack that we launched at
Shot Show in January is you know, bull barrel bushing
list design double stack optics play.
Speaker 4 (37:22):
You know, thirty five hundred dollars not not not.
Speaker 18 (37:28):
Seven fifty nine crazy, you know, And so it it's
became and it wasn't intentional when we launched the first
double stack a year, just over a year ago. The
intention was, Hey, we can make a really cool double stack.
Let's make it with all the bells and whistles. We
did all the bells and whistles, one under MAC under
military arm, and then the tea sauce was more the
(37:50):
standard and it became the.
Speaker 7 (37:55):
Entry level. But I'm going to go tweak it all myself.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
Ah, okay, say it back to the original nineteen eleven,
which a lot of us did many years ago. You
get to nineteen oo and then you start just adding,
tweaking and making it your own kind of it we
do with rs these days exactly.
Speaker 18 (38:11):
And so now hey, I want my own grip module,
I want my own controls. And then they all start
changing them and it is taking off. We can't make
them faster really, yeah, under Tea sauce.
Speaker 7 (38:22):
Or MAC of them.
Speaker 4 (38:23):
Yeah amazing.
Speaker 18 (38:25):
So nine milimeter nine millimeter for the double stacks, yep, exactly,
and retailing from seven to fifty nine to eleven hundred
for the MAC that's comped and got all the slide
cuts and everything else.
Speaker 11 (38:38):
I mean.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
And this is in a world where now it's kind
of expected. A lot of these double stacks are literally
twenty five hundred and thirty five hundred bucks.
Speaker 4 (38:45):
Yeah, so to start to start, yes.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
To start, Yeah, as I say, that's just the anti
to get into the game here.
Speaker 4 (38:51):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
You'll hold on a second here, I can take a
quick break here or dog with Neil Sanders and talk
about tea sauce and mac and spend out and go off.
We'll talk about I don't know what all up are,
but you know we'll talk about that when we come back.
We're having fun here at the NRA's annual meetings.
Speaker 4 (39:07):
And Atlanta, Georgia. I'm Tom Gresham. This is gun Talk.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
With Neil Sanders from SDS and I guess we are
to get about the website because I forgot to do that.
Speaker 18 (39:25):
SDSP They go SDS arms dot com, SDS arms dot Com.
Speaker 4 (39:31):
That covers all the different brands.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
Yes, okay, correct, because you've got pistols, rifles, shotguns, correct, okay,
squirt guns, anything else you're going to get into.
Speaker 3 (39:41):
I mean, I don't know, high power, you don't care,
you'll you'll.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
Do anything on tifical bolt actions, both actions. Okay, all right, good,
we're getting there. Things we can't talk about here over
and unders.
Speaker 7 (39:53):
Really cool yeah, and really nice over and unders and oh.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
I know it's going to ask you what these guns
coming in from Turkey? I ask you during the break
and you said yes, but I want to get it
out here. Can you still get really nice Turkish walnut
these days? Yes you can't.
Speaker 18 (40:09):
Yeah, Actually are ten fourteen and M two tactical shotguns
under mac.
Speaker 7 (40:15):
Some people are looking at the wood and.
Speaker 4 (40:17):
They're like tactical seeh I got with good wood?
Speaker 7 (40:20):
Yeah, And they're like, hey, wait a minute, I don't
want to dirty this one up.
Speaker 4 (40:24):
I don't want to throw this in down on the
ground and do all the stuff we do with them.
Speaker 7 (40:27):
Yeah, it's too pretty to go do that. That's but like, well, sorry,
you know.
Speaker 4 (40:33):
I'm sorry for an upgrade. We can give you some
bad wood. How's that?
Speaker 1 (40:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (40:36):
Exactly?
Speaker 4 (40:37):
The love charge here?
Speaker 3 (40:39):
Sure?
Speaker 7 (40:39):
Sure lord.
Speaker 4 (40:41):
So where do you get your ideas for new products? Oh?
Speaker 18 (40:44):
Well, I mean shows like this. This has a lot
to do with it, you know, is and we look
at data. I mean data kind of tells you.
Speaker 4 (40:52):
Yeah, we're worth the market going when people want right right?
Speaker 18 (40:55):
And then does it fit our niche and does it
fit our brands? Because each of us rands are a
little different, you know, military arma at Corp MAC it's
kind of that nostalgic global War on tear stuff with
a jsock nineteen eleven. You know, we do an MP
five clone color MAC five. You know the ten fourteen,
(41:17):
which an M four clone and an M two clone. Right,
So all of those kind of fall into that TA
sauce again mainly known for their nineteen elevens. They have
some polymer pistols too. Under the PX line. We sell
a bunch of those too good entry level price point products.
Getting the everyday shooter into a nineteen eleven. Hey, I
(41:39):
always wanted one, but you can get one for sub
five hundred dollars.
Speaker 4 (41:43):
Yeah, a lot of value, a lot of value. Yeah.
It makes it accessible right to get in. And then
you say, okay, you know if you want to upgrade,
we have that too.
Speaker 18 (41:52):
Sure, Yeah, I want a stainless steel blah blah blah
with all these bells and whistles. Great, we have that
also with you know, G ten grips or whatever you
might want on it.
Speaker 11 (42:03):
Uh.
Speaker 18 (42:03):
So we offer those options as well, and then we
just pay attention to the market and see what it's doing.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
All right, uh And the thirty second answer. Here, are
you guys going to get hit with tariffs?
Speaker 7 (42:14):
Yes, we are hit with tariffs.
Speaker 18 (42:16):
Okay, so we we looked at it and currently turkeys
and they might can look that up is ten percent
and so we're making a price adjustment right now.
Speaker 4 (42:27):
Yeah, that's not killer.
Speaker 18 (42:29):
No, and we're not we're not raising our prices ten percent.
We're going to eat part of it too, okay, and
so it'll impact some some You like those nice round numbers,
you know, hey, what is your gun MSRP for? And
you tell them and it's like ooh, and well, now
it's not as sexy of a number as it used
to be.
Speaker 4 (42:46):
But that's okay, it's okay. Yeah, we're all living with it.
Then we go through this tumultuous time and we'll get
on the backside of the Yeah. Yeah, I appreciate you
spend some time with us. This is fun to learn
about what you guys are up to.
Speaker 7 (42:57):
Yeah, it's fun.
Speaker 4 (42:58):
Sdsarms dot com that's the one. There you go. You
can take a look at all the cool stuff.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
And that's like the guy in the store said, you
need to look at these these things are really good.
I was impressed. He was really telling me all about it,
and so I started learning things.
Speaker 4 (43:12):
Neil. It's always pleasure, man, absolutely, I appreciate it. You bet.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
Take care, all right. So we are wrapping up here
at the NRA's annual meetings. So let me just tell you,
if you have never been to one, try to make
plans next year to go to it. It's really fun.
You get to handle the guns, you get to talk
to interesting people, and you know what, you might even
meet somebody from gun Talk like me.
Speaker 4 (43:34):
You go out and do some shooting, take somebody with you,
have
Speaker 2 (43:37):
Some fun this week, and do something for the Second Amendment.
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