April 27, 2025 • 43 mins
In This Hour:
From the Ruger booth at the 2025 NRA Annual Meetings
-- The NRA Competitions Division announces a new event, America's Rifle Challenge, which is shot with the AR-15 rifle and will be coming to shooting ranges around the country.
-- Darrell Morrow, of Huxwrx, reveals the newest generation of suppressors, made by 3D printing various high-tech metals.
-- Six time Olympic medal winner Kim Rhode continues to win World Cup events as she attempts to make it to a seventh Olympic Games in Los Angeles.
--Brownells started out as a supplier to gunsmiths, but now it's a major online retailer and wholesaler of guns, ammunition, and all things shooting. Pete Brown runs down the story and history of this iconic company.
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From the Ruger booth at the 2025 NRA Annual Meetings
-- The NRA Competitions Division announces a new event, America's Rifle Challenge, which is shot with the AR-15 rifle and will be coming to shooting ranges around the country.
-- Darrell Morrow, of Huxwrx, reveals the newest generation of suppressors, made by 3D printing various high-tech metals.
-- Six time Olympic medal winner Kim Rhode continues to win World Cup events as she attempts to make it to a seventh Olympic Games in Los Angeles.
--Brownells started out as a supplier to gunsmiths, but now it's a major online retailer and wholesaler of guns, ammunition, and all things shooting. Pete Brown runs down the story and history of this iconic company.
Gun Talk 04.27.25 Hour 2
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:30):
Still having fun can't make us not have fun because
we're at the NRA's annual meetings here and they were
surrounded by guns and m O and optics and cool
stuff everywhere you go. If you get a chance to
get here, you really should. It's it's really something. As
I say, you know, we talk about the shot Show,
but you can't go to the shot Show unless you're
in the industry. But you can go here. And I
(00:51):
know there are people are going to say, which, see
why n URRA because NRA did this, NI did that. Yeah,
there were some bad stuff that's happened over the last
few years. I think figures crossed. I think returning the corner.
And actually I think Monday is the big day. The
new board members and the reformers got elected. The new
board members are going to take their seats and then
(01:11):
they're going to elect new officers and that's going to
be when we find out what's really going on. If
it's they're on a new track. I think it's good,
and I think everything is moving ahead and there's some
good things in our future. But you know, part of
the NRA that you may have forgotten about, this kind
of where it all got started, actually is about shooting,
shooting guns, which joined me to talk about exactly that.
(01:33):
Cole mccull has joined me right now. Now, Cole, you've
got a new program, a new event, I guess you'd
call it involved with the NRA, and you just had
your big launch, your blowout to tell us about this.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Right.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
So, I run the competitive shooting division for the NRA,
and I'm.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Just glad to do it.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
And it's been a tough number of years for us,
had our division cut, with all the issues in COVID
and everything else along the way, But we have long
been planning our reawakening, so to speak. And under NRA
two point zero, the new leadership of the NRA, it
is just it's all happening. We're getting funded again, we're
hiring people back within the division, and we're not just
(02:10):
supporting our existing bullseye disciplines, which many of you know about,
but it's also what are we going to do in
the future. And boy, we've got some good things.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Well, how do you make shooting interesting to more people?
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Right?
Speaker 4 (02:21):
So we've evaluated this and I've had I've been working
on a plan for about ten years. But now under
new leadership, they're allowing this plan to move forward, and
Doug Hamlin is one hundred percent forward. And so what
it is is that you know, obviously, the AR fifteen
in my personal view and in most of our view
of the gun owners in this country, that's the gun
(02:41):
that is probably the most important firearm that there is.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
It's quite essential for freedom.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
It is. Now, that's right. I mean, we're more than
fifty years into the AR or as we like to
call it, America's rifle.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
America's rifle, that's right. And because it is used for
not just for sporting, it's used for hunting, it's used
for defense, it's used for lawful purposes, use for competitive shooting. Right,
why aren't we talking about that more? And what's the
NRA doing to make sure that that firearm that's sitting
out there by the millions is being able to have
a venue where people can shoot it, learn, train and
(03:14):
compete with that on the biggest level.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
So let me ask the question, what is the RI
doing about this and involving the AR fifteen.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Right.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
So there's a great new program and it's called the
America's Rifle Challenge by the NRA, and you can go
to the website. It's ARC dot nr A dot org.
That's ARC dot NRA dot org. And it's a competition
and a training event and it's a comprehensive program built
for AR owners of all different levels of sophistication. Whether
(03:44):
you're a former military, whether you hardly know where the
charging handle is, whether you're a competitor, it is there.
And so what we're doing is there's a little bit
of a dynamic to this and I'll explain it. Okay,
First of all, you know, the NRA is going to
offer a base level AR training course that's going to
be rolled out at clubs across the country.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Is there a lot of people who have an AR
who really don't know how to shoot it or run
it that's.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
Right, and how to set it up and how to
use it, how to be safe with it. And the
NRA understands that, and so we're setting up this course
that's going to go and you'll go out to your
specific club and they'll follow a specific NRA content that's
for one day. It's super affordable. And then what that
does is it gets you ready to compete at a
very basic level but fun and very difficult to some degree,
(04:32):
competition called the America's Rifle Challenge Level one competition. And
what is that that is a course of fire that's
shot shoulder to shoulder. So imagine being online with other
shooters shoot at the same time, under tight control of
range officers and a sophisticated and good range environment, and
we're going to have targets that are going to be
(04:52):
your specifically in front of you, and you will fire
from the standing position. Will teach you how to do
reloads in the course. If you're able already to do
these sort of things, you don't need to take the
training course. Just begin to sign up for this Level
one and you'll be able to shoot from basically from
ten yards all the way back to one hundred with
different drills and course of fire. It's about one hundred rounds,
but it covers all of the critical components of how
(05:15):
do you shoot fire and operate an AR in a
competition environment. Sounds like fun, It very much is, And
we just had all of this at Camp Adderbury, Indiana,
just this past weekend, so that.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Was kind of your big launch how to go.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
It was it was great. We limit it to about
one hundred competitors, and we didn't just have a level one.
We have the training component and then we also have
what's called a level two. So you may see you
may pee so many people maybe but familiar with multi
gun or with three gun. So essentially what this is
with the AR, this is an all ar sports. So
you shoot it on square ranges and or open terrain ranges,
(05:54):
so you'll encounter targets which you'll shoot one at a
time in a squad format, so there may be ten
of you.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
You'll go one at a time.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
There'll be stealing paper out in front of you, and
you'll see any and all types of targets from three
to five hundred yards.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
Right, So it's really dynamics, so you'll see different levels
of people shooting and you can as long as you're safe,
you can come in and learn those skills.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
We'll have a level two.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
Training program soon which we're going to be offering in
the same way that I explained Level one, and then
you'll be able to shoot that Level two courses of fire,
and beginning in twenty twenty six, we'll have a full
set and a full calendar of events to include club matches,
regional matches, state level matches, and national championships for level
one and two in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Is it? Would it be overstating it? And I'm just
listening to you talking about this to say that this
is maybe the first strong indication of the new leadership,
of the new era of the NRA.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
Well, I think, you know, one of the good things
is I can give you my opinion, and I'm an
old marine, and I'm definitely going to tell you, but
I think people need to make that make that up
for their own minds. Certainly that's my opinion, but it
sometimes action speaks louder in words. And we've been through
such a tough time and a lot of the staff
that's been here to fight through this time, we've been
(07:14):
handicapped in a way.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
We weren't allowed to take this out.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
But my thought is is if you take a step
back from it, you know, if outside of politics and
protecting the Second Amendment and doing the things that the
NRA does and has done really well to a large degree,
right over time. So I still have guns. Thank goodness,
thank God for the NRA and the success that we've had.
But if we don't have a program where we're teaching
(07:37):
people to basically and properly operate their ars and their
firearms and give them a competitive level program that starts
at the very beginning, people get entered it at different
places and have that comprehensive experience from training all the
way through a top level Level two course of fire
then to protect to help people train and to protect
(07:59):
the AR visit that DNA is doing, and Doug Hamlin
has authorized us to go ahead and do that.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
You know, it occurs to me too, there's something else
going on here. The more people use their ars, the
more they shoot their modern rifles, the more invested they
are of enjoying them, the more invested they will be
in protecting the ownership of them and talking to people
about how these are useful and regular normal rifles.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
Most certainly, like, for example, I have a number of
voice right and they're they're all growing up. But my
youngest son at the time when we started him a
hunting and that hunting was a way of it is
and was a way of life in our family right,
and he shot multiple deer legally and lawfully, and he
never shot a deer that wasn't suppressed and wasn't with
an AR And that's the point. It's like, you know,
(08:48):
they don't have the flinching issues. They don't get scared
of the firearms. The suppressors are tremendous. And I don't
think I did mention, but this particular America's Rifle Challenge
program is completely suppressor accepted.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Oh okay, and it's legal.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
Bring that suppressor with you and your documents and you
feel free to use that. And that works right into
the divisions. And if you're interested in this, go to
that website ARC dot NR dot org and there's a
blue button right in the center. You can click that
you can give us your basic information. And if you're
a club out there and you want to start holding
these matches or you're representing a club, there's a little
(09:22):
text fields that you can put in there about your club.
Our staff is going to get in touch with your
club and get them ready to do this. So we'll
help you understand and we'll help your clubs get ready
for this.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
On August the fourth.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
This is just launching right now as we're talking about
it right.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Now, it is.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
It's a little bit rushed because what we didn't want
to do is take a program like this and wait
until say November. We don't want to launch something in
the wintertime. We want to get it up.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Runn's get the clubs involved, get them on board, because
they've got to set their schedule.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
They don't just do this out of nowhere. A lot
of clubs have schedules. And one of the things, you know,
I was a range owner for many years, and one
of the things that enter a programs has to do,
in my view, is it has to bring people the
right kind of people to the ranges. And those people
need to be able to shoot, spend some money and
(10:14):
return doing so and have a good and safe time.
That's what ranges want. This program is designed to help
with that as well.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
And it is quite the outreach program. I got it
screwed here cold. I appreciate this great. It's give the
website again.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
ARC dot NR dot or o RG.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
There you go. That'll take care. Thank you, thanks so
much for sharing the story with us. All right, thank you,
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Now back to gun talk, all right, back with you here,
Tom Gresham. It is so the annual meetings. We're having
fun here talking with us, lots of cool people. There's
so much innovation going on. I mean, you think, okay,
what are you gonna do? You got guns? Well, there's
innovation and guns. There's innovation in ambo. But one of
(13:26):
the areas where we've got an awful lot going on
in terms of technology, it is in suppressures. We're joining
right now by Darryl Morrow. Darryl with Hucks works right, Yes, sir, okay.
So one of the things I keep hearing people talk about,
and I have to admit I don't fully understand it
is flow through and back pressure, and there's a lot
(13:47):
of science going on in some pressures these days. You
want to bring us up to speed.
Speaker 10 (13:50):
Absolutely, we are the pioneers of flow through technology. And
what that means is a traditional baffled suppressor, which is
what you know hire a Maximum invented back in the
early nineteen hundreds. A lot of people know this, but
he's the same guy that admitted the muffler.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
So so it's the machine gun, yep.
Speaker 10 (14:07):
Yeah, And so it's a it's a very similar concept
in that traditional baffled suppressure is what they're designed to
do is like the muffler in your car, is capture
and hold those gases as long as possible for entering
the atmosphere.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
That was what makes it quiet.
Speaker 10 (14:20):
But and when you put that application into a suppressor,
those gases have to go one.
Speaker 9 (14:24):
Or two directions.
Speaker 10 (14:25):
So normally on a traditional baffled suppressor, the gases they
go up to your you know, your muzzle or or not.
All the gases they're in the suppress so when they
come back into the operating system, that's what we're referred
to as blowback. And so what that's doing is it's
increasing the bolt velocity on your firearm. So it's making
the firearm run harder, so it's going to get a
sharper recolding pulse. It makes it run dirty or I
(14:48):
don't know if you ever shot suppressed much.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Oh man, it's dirty. Is everything up? Even you take
your meg out and the am of that is still
in the mag. It's like all this junk has been
blown right back into your mag. It's just everything's doct.
Speaker 10 (15:00):
Yeah, So the carbon and lead and all that stuff
that comes back in. So with what our suppressors do
is that is what we call float through technology, and
so we use a technology that allows for the gases
to enter the suppressors start spinning and then redirect to
go forward, backward, and then forward again, and then out
of we put ports on the end of our our
suppressors and so all those gases you're able to go forward.
(15:22):
So that does a couple of things for the shooter.
It makes it more pleasurable shooting experience because you're not
getting gas in your face. Sure within those gases are
not very good for you. Those gas contain obviously lead,
but ammonia, carbon dioxide and hundreds so star over there.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
You really don't want to be breathing.
Speaker 9 (15:37):
Correct And then so it makes a gun one cleaner.
Speaker 10 (15:40):
It's going to be a lighter recal impulse because your
bolt's not slamming back into the firearm, not not going
faster than the manufacturer designed it.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Yeah, okay, one of the b areers. It occurs to
me that I would think in the military this would
be particularly important for if I go out and shoot
a couple hundred rounds in a day, that's one thing.
But if somebody's out there shooting full auto and going
through an awful lot of ambo, that's a lot of
blowback coming back in their faces and hard on the equipment.
Speaker 10 (16:10):
So exactly, and we actually some people know that, some
people don't. But we rebranded from OSS Suppressors to Hugsworks,
And the reason being is what huswork stands for is
human exposure Workshop. So we did a deep dive, We
did scientific studies with PhDs to show the effects of
shooting suppressed at high volumes. So a big portion of
(16:33):
our customer base is the professional end user, and that
is very important to them. If you think of burn
pits and all of our boys and girls coming back
and the health effects that they're having sure because of that.
It's very similar to when you shoot suppressed and you're
getting some of that stuff and inhaling it. And so
we've done studies on baseline of unsuppressed versus suppressed with
traditional bafflet suppressors and then our float through cans, and
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so with our float through it's going to be very
close to that baseline and that is very important to
those guys because in the studies that we and girls
with the studies that we've shown is you have immediate,
mid term and long term health effects being exposed to
these toxic gases. And so so we do a lot
of work in the in the professional world and then
you know that transitions over to the commercial shooters. So
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it's you know, it's a good thing about our cans
is that there's no usually no weapon mods. A lot
of times when you put a pressure on there and.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
It, yeah, that's why you're adjusting the gas system and
everything else. But you've got a can on there. You
don't have to do that with yours. No, no, sir,
not for the most part.
Speaker 10 (17:36):
And I don't know if you're like me, but I'm
not a gunsmith, and I will bring up I once
I start tinkering, I usually break it. And so, uh
so it's it's good for a person like me that
is a novice when it comes to working on guns.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Uh, screwing on a can that's about as much gunsmith because.
Speaker 10 (17:53):
I do that's about as much as I'm comfortable doing.
But uh but no, so so that's been the trend
that we created. You know, the company started uh you
know a while ago, but it's people are really realizing
now what that blowback does. But just you know, for
the general consumer out there, the thing that I find
shooting our suppressius us traditional baplet suppresses. It's just a
(18:16):
more pleasurable shooting experience because you're not getting all that
gas in your face. You're still getting great sound suppression.
The gun's going to run how the manufacturer designed it.
And then so we're really proud of that.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
How do you make I mean, what's the process.
Speaker 10 (18:30):
So we use additive manufacturing or three D printing. And
what that's allowed is we used to see and see
and just do traditional manufacturing. But by switching over to
additive manufacturing and three D printing, we use a couple
of different mediums. We use, you know, titanium, stainless, We
can do incanel if called for specific applications. But you know,
(18:51):
with three D printing, the geometry you're able to accomplish
is impossible to do with traditional scene and c. So
by doing that, you're able to play with models and
the way we do it in you know, in houses,
we do a resin print, you know, proof concept on
the computer, resin print, make sure kind of looks like
and then we'll get an actual one and then test
(19:12):
it out.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
So with three D printing you can actually follow through
on the what if I say, what if we could
do this exactly? Well, actually we can.
Speaker 10 (19:20):
Now yeah, and from there we're able to from you know,
fluid dynamics and all kinds of things that I do
not understand that we have people a lot smarter than me.
Speaker 9 (19:28):
I'm just the dumb sales guy.
Speaker 10 (19:30):
Uh, But they're able to play around with and do
some really unique things. And then you know, we've got
some some key features in our products that we're really
proud of used to be you know, from an R
and D standpoint, that's where three D printing really comes
into play. Because if you're if you look at a
traditional you know, I don't care what you make, and
if you haven't deal with machines where you're programming and
(19:51):
stuff like that, you're dealing with changing out bits and
you know all the other things that again.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
It's slow and it's expensive. Yeah yeah, well three D
printing you just change programming.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Yes, we have to spit this out.
Speaker 10 (20:02):
And that also helps with production as well, because last
year about this time or beginning of twenty twenty four,
when the suppress were wait times you know, went way
down right, demand skyrocketed, which is great for the industry,
but it can.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Be it can be how you're going to catch up head.
Speaker 10 (20:19):
Exactly, and so some consumers are you know, like, hey,
I want this, but it's backwarder forever.
Speaker 9 (20:23):
So with us, by by printing, we're a lot.
Speaker 10 (20:25):
More nimble and so we were able to you know,
increase our production tremendously in about sixty days.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Wow. All right, let me ask you. You mentioned the
different materials, why would you choose one kind of material
over another.
Speaker 10 (20:40):
Well, every you know, material has its benefits and drawbacks, right,
I won't say drawbacks, but just it just depends on
the application. So if you're going for super lightweight, titanium
is a great meaning metal to use for that. If
you're looking for something that's going to be more hard use, uh,
stainless steel is going to be you know, going to
(21:01):
be more durable than that. And then if you're looking
for something that is going to go on a belt
fetter or something like that, that's gonna have what that
needs to have the most durability all that other good stuff,
that's where we go to like an incanel can.
Speaker 9 (21:13):
So that's the different materials titanium.
Speaker 10 (21:16):
Like I said, we really like titanium because it's lightweight,
it's great performance at prints really.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Well, and for your average user who's not going to
go through tens of thousands of rounds full auto, it
works fine.
Speaker 9 (21:28):
Yes sir, yes, sir.
Speaker 10 (21:29):
And it's so we were able to play around with
some different things and and and just have a different
option just depending on what the end user.
Speaker 9 (21:36):
You know, if you're a hard.
Speaker 10 (21:37):
Use guy, then you know we've got to can for
that if you're occasional guy backpack You know, if you're
going to a backpack hunter and you want something super lightweight,
we got you there.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Where do they find out? Watch your website hugsworks dot.
Speaker 9 (21:48):
Com, h u x w r x dot com, h
u x w.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
R x dot com. Yes, sir, and you got all
the information about the different you know, technologies and everything
else you got involved in. Yes, sir, very cool. I
really apreciate the education. I learned a lot on this though.
I appreciate. It's always good to talk to you, Tom,
Absolutely so. Can's are a thing. You know, people are
actually putting those on and use them everywhere. And if
you're not shooting the can, you're just not very considered.
When you know, when somebody on quirks one at the
(22:14):
range and it's loud, everybody's shooting suppressed, everybody kind of
turns over and looks at him and go, what's wrong
with that? Dude? Gran't tell you. It is a different time,
it's a different place, and we're having fun over here
and guess what this is? Gun talk. I'm Tom Gresham,
wish you could be here. Maybe I'll see you in
NRA next year. All right back with you here, Tom Gresham,
(22:36):
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If you don't, shame on you, Kim. You and I
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Yeah, we're both over there. We used to be a
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first time I interviewed you, and then you went on
to win let's see, medals in six consecutive Olympic.
Speaker 9 (23:15):
Games, just a few.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
You're unbelievable.
Speaker 11 (23:18):
Well thanks, I'm still going for it. Hopefully we got
another medal, you know, for the United States in LA
twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 12 (23:24):
We're still shooting.
Speaker 11 (23:25):
I just got back from two World Cups, one in
Argentina one in Lima.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
You're winning stuff.
Speaker 11 (23:29):
One is silver and a gold, so yeah, we're still
I still got it.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
How do you do that?
Speaker 11 (23:35):
You know, I think it's just a I think everyone
will tell you it's a lot of lead down range,
a lot of practice. I mean, I've shot just a
few rounds, a few million rounds in my life, right,
And yeah, I mean I hope I'm good at that point.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Yeah, you know you're more than just good. Nobody wins
Olympics medals in six consecutive games. That's a long period
of time to be the top of any sport.
Speaker 11 (24:01):
Yes, yeah, I'm the only one of two in the
world to have ever done that in any sport. So
to have six consecutive Olympic medals, yeah, it's it's amazing.
It's a huge honor, something I don't take lightly. And
hopefully we can make it a seventh in LA all right, so.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Tell me about that. Who You've got limit games coming up?
And I guess you just figured out where the venues
are going to be.
Speaker 11 (24:23):
Yes, LA twenty twenty just made the announcement. The shotgun
will be at La Clay's and the rifle pistol will
be at the Long Beach Convention Center. So we're very excited. Obviously,
ISSF is full support of that, and you know, We're
just looking forward to showcasing the sport, the venue. We
encourage everyone to come out, support, watch, cheer on the
athletes as we lead up to it too, because I mean,
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we still have World Cups, World Championships, that's true going.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
On, and that's what determines who actually gets to go
to the Olympics. It's the weirdest. I mean, you understand
that nobody else on the planet understands how this thing works,
of their slots and the quotas and the whatever they are.
Speaker 11 (25:00):
Right, it starts about two years out from the Olympics.
You have to win World Cups, World Championships and ultimately
win quotas, and depending upon how many quotas a country
has shows how many athletes get to go for that country.
And obviously United States is wanting to fill all those
slots and we want to have the best representation that
we can there, and you know USA Shooting is always
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looking to do that. So yeah, it's a tedious process,
takes a lot of time and a lot of commitment,
not just from the athletes but from the countries as well.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
One of the things you've always done is you've always
worked with young shooters encourage young people to get into this,
and it courage to me that we need more people
doing it, because as you get more people getting into
competitive shooting, you end up with better shooters just the
way the numbers work, and we have a better chance
of winning more medals at the Olympics.
Speaker 11 (25:52):
Oh of course, I mean we're looking at all the
pipelines coming in. I mean from all the different youth
organizations within you know, nra ATA. I mean, there's so
many different organizations out there, high school clay Targets, SCTP,
the list goes on and on, and so obviously we
want the best of the best. We want these kids
to be introduced to the international style of shotgun shooting
and then from there hopefully draw a passion for the
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Olympics and the competitive sports, and hopefully go on to
represent the United States, because at the end of the day,
that's what we're doing. We're wearing that red, white and
blue on our back, and we're bringing those home, bringing
home those medals for the United States, and I don't
think there's any greater honor than that.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
I want to tell a story on you.
Speaker 12 (26:31):
Oh, here we go.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
I don't know this one. We do have stories. We
were at the Grand many years ago, and you had
won Olympic medals up to that point, and there was
a day when the U shooters were all in there
and I'm looking for you, and somebody said, I think
she's in the back, and I go upstairs and go
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in the back and work my way through this building
and they're in the back in this room by yourself.
You're on your hands and knees on the floor, scoring
writing down scores for these young shooters. There's nobody in there.
You are the Olympic champion and you're in there writing
down the scores for these young shooters.
Speaker 11 (27:12):
I remember that. Yeah, it was basically I think it
was for an setp. We were just trying to get
these kids figured out so they could have their shoot
offs and their competitions and really get it scored correctly.
And I was just back there doing like everybody else,
just volunteering, trying to make it come together for these kids.
I mean, that's the future kids women. That's something I've
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always been passionate about.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
It.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
You're at the superstar everybody's looking up to, and you're
back there doing this. I mean that just I just
want to share that because I want people to know
who you are.
Speaker 11 (27:42):
Yeah, well, it's something I think that you know, as
a parent now I have an eleven year old, I
think every parent just wants to see their kids be
successful and see that future. I think, you know, I've
done it a million times. I've won a million different trophies.
And I was joking with you earlier before we got
on here that don't have trophy up in my house.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
You know.
Speaker 11 (28:01):
I don't do it for the for the metal or
for the win. I do it for the passion, for
the love, for the people, the places, and also for
giving back. I mean, these kids are the future, and
that's something I definitely want to have my son be
able to enjoy like I've you know, been able to
for so many years.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
You know, we say this, but you are the living
embodiment of it, and that is that shooting is a
lifetime sport. And people may not know that the oldest
person to win Olympic medal was in the shooting sport.
Speaker 12 (28:31):
Yeah, Oscar Swan.
Speaker 11 (28:32):
He was seventy two years old when he walked away
with a silver medal and the running beard double shot
team events at an event we don't have anymore. But yeah,
I mean it's incredible when you look back to some
of the photos of you know, the Olympics. I mean
they were standing out in the middle of a field
with stones, you know, marking this place and that place,
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and you know, the machines didn't even have houses. And
I mean it's fascinating to see where we started to
where we have come. And yeah, it's been incredible and
I think that you know, it's a testament to our ancestors,
testament to the sport, testament to our history. I mean,
it's been a lot of fun over the years. I
mean I can't go back that far, but I definitely
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have a few years under my belt.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Yes, you do. You were I think at like age thirteen,
you were the US women's skate champion.
Speaker 11 (29:24):
Yes, I won the world in at thirteen at the World.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Maybe the adults now at thirteen.
Speaker 11 (29:30):
Yes, yeah, I shot a I want to say, I
shot a four eight or four ninety nine out of
five hundred.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Of course you would remember that something like that.
Speaker 11 (29:38):
Yeah, that was a long time ago, and that was
an American skeet all four gauges, including doubles. And now
the Olympic coach happened to see me and said, you know,
would you be willing to try international? And I said sure,
And the journey began. There you go, and it takes
the Olympics later and.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Still tear it up and on your way to the
next one.
Speaker 11 (29:56):
I'm going for it again. And you know, I think
a lot of people don't realize that this is a pie.
It took a lot of people, a lot of support,
people like you, people from the industry, you know, my sponsors, BARRETTA, Winchester, Randolph,
A lot of people help get you to where you're going.
It's not something you do on your own. And I'm
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the first to say thank you to all of them,
to all the supporters and everything. So I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Over the years, and sometimes we'll come back, we'll talk
about how you're challenging California and people can look up
the Rody versus Bonte or Sarah or whoever it is
right now on the AML case because you're involved in
Second Amendment cases. But we're out of time here, Kim Roady,
I love you. Thank you so much for everything you do.
Speaker 11 (30:40):
Thanks for having me. It's a pleasure to be here.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
All right. We'll be right back.
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at the NRA's annual meetings here, and well I call
it the NRA Show. It's not actually what they call
it officially. That's okay, because it's a big exhibit hall
with lots of guns and Ammo and everything else. And
our next guest will be here in a minute because
he got Shanghai. He's outside the door there talking with
Kim Roady, our last guest I mentioned just as she
was finishing. Kim is the lead plaintiff ensuing the State
(33:29):
of California in their requirements about purchasing Ammo and doing
a background check and the restrictions they have there. So
that case is road versus I think it's Bonta, then Bassera,
and then whoever's the next attorney general. That's been going
on for years and years, and so she's in the
lead on that one as well as well. So just
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you know, let you know that people are involved in
a lot of different aspects of this. And of course
Kim being Alympic not just athlete, an Olympic champion. Nobody
wins nobody wins the Olympics, wins you know, the medal,
whether it's gold, silver, or bronze in six consecutive Olympic
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Games like she has done. Just an amazing athlete and
a really great person. And right now we're joined by
talking about another old friend of ours, somebody who had
been known for many years, been here a long time,
Pete Brown now from brown Els. Hey doing partner.
Speaker 12 (34:31):
I'm doing pretty good, Tom good.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
When didn't you last night you were making friends with
one of the homeless people out here on the street.
There I was, you were taking care of him. Yeah,
you're a good man.
Speaker 12 (34:42):
We're all blessed and we try to give back when
we can.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Well, there you go. So all right, everybody knows brown
Els except people don't know brown Ells been around your
third generation. Yeah, how long? How long has this been
going on?
Speaker 12 (34:55):
Eighty five years? We're not ready to cross over eighty six.
I like to remind and my friends over at Hornby
that we're ten years older than they are.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
You rub it in with Steve, you do a little bit, yeah,
j Yeah, there you go. I like that. I'm sure
he appreciates that. No, no, no, not at all. So
your dad actually started I know, your granddad actually started
this making parts and supplies for gunsmiths.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
Yeah, it was God.
Speaker 12 (35:24):
He innovated a lot in the early ages of gunsmith
and there's some great gunsmiths out there, and he was
the kind of the person that was helping them get parts,
and he made some of the tools, like I mean,
I don't want to say magnetic screwdriver kits were unique.
But he brought that to this industry, right right, gun
cold blwing, Oh yeah yeah. Glass glass betting acroaglass, acharglass.
(35:48):
So glass betting was my grandpa's term, and he brought
glass betting to it. All that accroisation stuff bluing at
home and you used to have to send it back
to send it back to.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Bill home guns smith. It was pretty much brown else.
That's what you did. You got all your stuff from
out Brown Els and the huge catalog that you got
each ear. It was kind of our equivalent of the
serious catalog from way back then. And now fast forward,
you know, eighty something years forward and it's online with
massive website and it's not just gunsmithing parts, it's everything
(36:20):
for guns and includes guns and AMMO.
Speaker 12 (36:23):
That's right, yep. So we've expanded. We actually acquired a
wholesale company that was right down the road from us,
and we're the third We are the only thirty percent
of the shot shell distribution as a distribute. Yeah yeah,
really yep, so Crow wholesale. So if you are basically
in the South or kind of the Midwest.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
The wholesaleer would be somebod who sells to gun stores.
So if you're a gun store, you can order directly from.
Speaker 12 (36:50):
Crowle Yes again yep. So that helped feed the the
warehouse and we drop ship from Crow to Brown House
Guns and well through Brown Elsa and all that.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
So so you can, but individuals can also go on
your website and order to amos.
Speaker 12 (37:06):
At Brownhels dot com.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
Take advantage of the discouts, the availability, the streamlining, if
you are the pipeline that you have available. That's right,
because you're the middleman as well as being you know,
the end sellar.
Speaker 12 (37:19):
Yeah, well, I mean yeah, we we manufactured or we
have manufactured for us, the tools, the things when you
have on your gun bench if you're really starting out,
we've got that anything that you need to really be
at a good start for cleaning mats, screw to every
kid's pins. The things you needed is to maintain your
fire all the way up to being a master gunsmith.
So it's souping nuts on one of the bench and
(37:40):
then all the parts and tools in between.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
Also, one of the big secrets you have that I
try to share so I don't want to be a secret.
And when people have a question about a part or
fixing something anything else, I said, look, just call the
text the brown house. You've got a whole team of
top level gunsmiths.
Speaker 12 (37:57):
Yeah, we do.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
And you know it's like they can eat answer the question,
or they know who can answer the question.
Speaker 12 (38:02):
Right with the advents of guys, we've been doing social
media for years. We used to write these books or
we used to get gunsmithing tips written and drawn and
sent to us and we'd produce these these books guns
with Kinks. That's right, And so that's now in the
modern day world where it's now online as social media
is one place. But you know, some of the advice
you get there is not necessarily fully baked by experts.
(38:25):
Give us a call at brown Els and you'll find
us at brownel dot com and they Internet.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
So you've got people who are doing really good, lots
of cool videos on how to do things. You've got
instructional videos all on the website. Now you know, available
a lot of different ways to do that. Let's do this.
I want to take a quick break here. We come
back and we're going to have a couple of mautes
just we'll talk a little bit about where we are
with the industry. Yes, that's one of the things you do,
is you work on that different level, not just selling stuff,
(38:50):
but actually kind of what's good for us as gun
owners and as the industry. Yep, glad to there you go.
So they check it out brown els dot com. Go
take a look over there and you can see what's
going on. It's like, you know, every time I go there,
it costs me money. I'm sorry, Pete, You're not sorry.
We're not sorry in the least that I spend money
over there. That's why you do it every day. There
(39:11):
you go, Hi, don't go a far. We'll be right
back right here at the NRA Annual meetings. All with
a good friend Pete brownele here from brownails dot com.
And p of course you've got brown Els, You've got Sinclair,
(39:31):
You've got you know crow, you got all different things
you guys do. Part of this is that you have
an outlook on this that's more than just selling product.
You take a look at the whole industry and kind
of where we are as an industry also from a
Second Amendment standpoint, and you're very active and that fight
as well. I just wondering if you kind of have
any thoughts of where we are at this moment in time.
Speaker 12 (39:55):
Industry. So this is really a macroeconomic aspect. The pandemic
was a multi generation I mean, I mean we were
talking over the break about you know, grandparents, Grits or
your dad and my grandpa were buddies, right, not even
they saw a spike and a trough in the industry
like we just saw with the pandemic. So it's really
(40:16):
hard to have to drop something that big into the
economy and have their the recovery be anything about what
it was, which was pretty bad, right. I Mean, we
had this great everybody was running hard, and over the
years we've seen spikes and troughs, and it's really been
It was fantastic for the industry as far as transactions
and sales and margin because it was scarcity and there
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was new entrance and there was a lot of demand.
But that stopped, and as an industry, we had this
feeling that just how long was it going to go?
And we've seen over the years that as far up
as you go, you go down that far. So there's
this volume thing, but it takes twice as long to recover.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
Okay, so we're still in recovery.
Speaker 12 (40:57):
We're still in recovery. So we had about eighteen months
of pandemic according to our clock, and we got about
about thirty six months. So it's about now. Somewhere in
the window of now is when we're going to get
back to our mean line. And the industry has always
had an increase in BAVE dollars and we're just approaching
that line now, still down year over year predominantly because
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we've had a lot of people who came into the
marketplace who are now leaving the marketplace, and when that happens,
that floods the industry. So we're seeing a lot. It's
a buyer's market right now, and we've trained the over
the last thirty six months, we've trained consumers to look
for the deal, and they don't trust the deal that
they see today because tomorrow it might be better. And
(41:43):
also customers the overall consumer behavior is one of concern now.
That's the lowest we've seen about forty years on consumer index,
consumer behavior index, and confidence. And so I think people
are that are in our space, that are buying arms,
are are hopeful for the future given that these these
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tariffs are just hitting us right will soon be going
to be I think anybody thinks will be negotiated in
our favor. Things will get cheaper, but not right now.
So they're really holding on to the dollars. Sure we
all do.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
It's all right now. If you're in the farm's industry,
your gun maker or seller of any type you're looking at,
you know sales are flat, are down, and you're kind
of saying where we're going to go. What you're saying
is be patient.
Speaker 12 (42:28):
Be patient. Right, consumers are making value decisions now, not
necessarily just cheap to buying cheap, they're buying good value.
So US Made is making inroads. People are when they're
when they're biking a purchase, they're looking at the generational
value that they're purchasing, which is really good. So that's
so the high end AR fifteens, for example, revolvers are
(42:49):
starting to move a little bit faster. Bolt action rifles
are doing great there, so focus in on that. We
also see people looking at personalizing their firem and that's
what we do is we see a lot of movement
toward people making it there.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
Oh, it's great about ars. You can make it anything
you want it to be, right, And that's what Brown
Els does is we will help you make it whatever
you want it to be. Yeah, that's the way your gun.
There will be no other gun like your gun because
you personalize it, that's right.
Speaker 12 (43:15):
It becomes your total your brand.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
And I would just say that take a look at
some of the videos you guys do. You do wonderful
work at helping people you know, customize and fix and
everything else. I mean the guys at Brown Else, you
are you know, talking about America's wifle. You are America's
supplier to the gunsmithing and the tinker of trade. Yeah yeah,
great work, Pey Brown. Now, thank you so much. Always
a pleasure having me around here.
Speaker 3 (43:36):
It's great to come back often.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
Okay, yeah, off and yeah, I will do there. You
go all right, So I'll tell you what. Speaking of
coming back, we won't do that in just a minute,
and you don't want to go far because we've got
quite the lineup coming up the NRA. What's going on there.
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Speaker 2 (00:30):
Still having fun can't make us not have fun because
we're at the NRA's annual meetings here and they were
surrounded by guns and m O and optics and cool
stuff everywhere you go. If you get a chance to
get here, you really should. It's it's really something. As
I say, you know, we talk about the shot Show,
but you can't go to the shot Show unless you're
in the industry. But you can go here. And I
(00:51):
know there are people are going to say, which, see
why n URRA because NRA did this, NI did that. Yeah,
there were some bad stuff that's happened over the last
few years. I think figures crossed. I think returning the corner.
And actually I think Monday is the big day. The
new board members and the reformers got elected. The new
board members are going to take their seats and then
(01:11):
they're going to elect new officers and that's going to
be when we find out what's really going on. If
it's they're on a new track. I think it's good,
and I think everything is moving ahead and there's some
good things in our future. But you know, part of
the NRA that you may have forgotten about, this kind
of where it all got started, actually is about shooting,
shooting guns, which joined me to talk about exactly that.
(01:33):
Cole mccull has joined me right now. Now, Cole, you've
got a new program, a new event, I guess you'd
call it involved with the NRA, and you just had
your big launch, your blowout to tell us about this.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Right.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
So, I run the competitive shooting division for the NRA,
and I'm.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Just glad to do it.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
And it's been a tough number of years for us,
had our division cut, with all the issues in COVID
and everything else along the way, But we have long
been planning our reawakening, so to speak. And under NRA
two point zero, the new leadership of the NRA, it
is just it's all happening. We're getting funded again, we're
hiring people back within the division, and we're not just
(02:10):
supporting our existing bullseye disciplines, which many of you know about,
but it's also what are we going to do in
the future. And boy, we've got some good things.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Well, how do you make shooting interesting to more people?
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Right?
Speaker 4 (02:21):
So we've evaluated this and I've had I've been working
on a plan for about ten years. But now under
new leadership, they're allowing this plan to move forward, and
Doug Hamlin is one hundred percent forward. And so what
it is is that you know, obviously, the AR fifteen
in my personal view and in most of our view
of the gun owners in this country, that's the gun
(02:41):
that is probably the most important firearm that there is.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
It's quite essential for freedom.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
It is. Now, that's right. I mean, we're more than
fifty years into the AR or as we like to
call it, America's rifle.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
America's rifle, that's right. And because it is used for
not just for sporting, it's used for hunting, it's used
for defense, it's used for lawful purposes, use for competitive shooting. Right,
why aren't we talking about that more? And what's the
NRA doing to make sure that that firearm that's sitting
out there by the millions is being able to have
a venue where people can shoot it, learn, train and
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compete with that on the biggest level.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
So let me ask the question, what is the RI
doing about this and involving the AR fifteen.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Right.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
So there's a great new program and it's called the
America's Rifle Challenge by the NRA, and you can go
to the website. It's ARC dot nr A dot org.
That's ARC dot NRA dot org. And it's a competition
and a training event and it's a comprehensive program built
for AR owners of all different levels of sophistication. Whether
(03:44):
you're a former military, whether you hardly know where the
charging handle is, whether you're a competitor, it is there.
And so what we're doing is there's a little bit
of a dynamic to this and I'll explain it. Okay,
First of all, you know, the NRA is going to
offer a base level AR training course that's going to
be rolled out at clubs across the country.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Is there a lot of people who have an AR
who really don't know how to shoot it or run
it that's.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
Right, and how to set it up and how to
use it, how to be safe with it. And the
NRA understands that, and so we're setting up this course
that's going to go and you'll go out to your
specific club and they'll follow a specific NRA content that's
for one day. It's super affordable. And then what that
does is it gets you ready to compete at a
very basic level but fun and very difficult to some degree,
(04:32):
competition called the America's Rifle Challenge Level one competition. And
what is that that is a course of fire that's
shot shoulder to shoulder. So imagine being online with other
shooters shoot at the same time, under tight control of
range officers and a sophisticated and good range environment, and
we're going to have targets that are going to be
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your specifically in front of you, and you will fire
from the standing position. Will teach you how to do
reloads in the course. If you're able already to do
these sort of things, you don't need to take the
training course. Just begin to sign up for this Level
one and you'll be able to shoot from basically from
ten yards all the way back to one hundred with
different drills and course of fire. It's about one hundred rounds,
but it covers all of the critical components of how
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do you shoot fire and operate an AR in a
competition environment. Sounds like fun, It very much is, And
we just had all of this at Camp Adderbury, Indiana,
just this past weekend, so that.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Was kind of your big launch how to go.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
It was it was great. We limit it to about
one hundred competitors, and we didn't just have a level one.
We have the training component and then we also have
what's called a level two. So you may see you
may pee so many people maybe but familiar with multi
gun or with three gun. So essentially what this is
with the AR, this is an all ar sports. So
you shoot it on square ranges and or open terrain ranges,
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so you'll encounter targets which you'll shoot one at a
time in a squad format, so there may be ten
of you.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
You'll go one at a time.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
There'll be stealing paper out in front of you, and
you'll see any and all types of targets from three
to five hundred yards.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
Right, So it's really dynamics, so you'll see different levels
of people shooting and you can as long as you're safe,
you can come in and learn those skills.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
We'll have a level two.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
Training program soon which we're going to be offering in
the same way that I explained Level one, and then
you'll be able to shoot that Level two courses of fire,
and beginning in twenty twenty six, we'll have a full
set and a full calendar of events to include club matches,
regional matches, state level matches, and national championships for level
one and two in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Is it? Would it be overstating it? And I'm just
listening to you talking about this to say that this
is maybe the first strong indication of the new leadership,
of the new era of the NRA.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
Well, I think, you know, one of the good things
is I can give you my opinion, and I'm an
old marine, and I'm definitely going to tell you, but
I think people need to make that make that up
for their own minds. Certainly that's my opinion, but it
sometimes action speaks louder in words. And we've been through
such a tough time and a lot of the staff
that's been here to fight through this time, we've been
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handicapped in a way.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
We weren't allowed to take this out.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
But my thought is is if you take a step
back from it, you know, if outside of politics and
protecting the Second Amendment and doing the things that the
NRA does and has done really well to a large degree,
right over time. So I still have guns. Thank goodness,
thank God for the NRA and the success that we've had.
But if we don't have a program where we're teaching
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people to basically and properly operate their ars and their
firearms and give them a competitive level program that starts
at the very beginning, people get entered it at different
places and have that comprehensive experience from training all the
way through a top level Level two course of fire
then to protect to help people train and to protect
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the AR visit that DNA is doing, and Doug Hamlin
has authorized us to go ahead and do that.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
You know, it occurs to me too, there's something else
going on here. The more people use their ars, the
more they shoot their modern rifles, the more invested they
are of enjoying them, the more invested they will be
in protecting the ownership of them and talking to people
about how these are useful and regular normal rifles.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
Most certainly, like, for example, I have a number of
voice right and they're they're all growing up. But my
youngest son at the time when we started him a
hunting and that hunting was a way of it is
and was a way of life in our family right,
and he shot multiple deer legally and lawfully, and he
never shot a deer that wasn't suppressed and wasn't with
an AR And that's the point. It's like, you know,
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they don't have the flinching issues. They don't get scared
of the firearms. The suppressors are tremendous. And I don't
think I did mention, but this particular America's Rifle Challenge
program is completely suppressor accepted.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Oh okay, and it's legal.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
Bring that suppressor with you and your documents and you
feel free to use that. And that works right into
the divisions. And if you're interested in this, go to
that website ARC dot NR dot org and there's a
blue button right in the center. You can click that
you can give us your basic information. And if you're
a club out there and you want to start holding
these matches or you're representing a club, there's a little
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text fields that you can put in there about your club.
Our staff is going to get in touch with your
club and get them ready to do this. So we'll
help you understand and we'll help your clubs get ready
for this.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
On August the fourth.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
This is just launching right now as we're talking about
it right.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Now, it is.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
It's a little bit rushed because what we didn't want
to do is take a program like this and wait
until say November. We don't want to launch something in
the wintertime. We want to get it up.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Runn's get the clubs involved, get them on board, because
they've got to set their schedule.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
They don't just do this out of nowhere. A lot
of clubs have schedules. And one of the things, you know,
I was a range owner for many years, and one
of the things that enter a programs has to do,
in my view, is it has to bring people the
right kind of people to the ranges. And those people
need to be able to shoot, spend some money and
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return doing so and have a good and safe time.
That's what ranges want. This program is designed to help
with that as well.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
And it is quite the outreach program. I got it
screwed here cold. I appreciate this great. It's give the
website again.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
ARC dot NR dot or o RG.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
There you go. That'll take care. Thank you, thanks so
much for sharing the story with us. All right, thank you,
you bet all right. We'll be right back with more
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Speaker 2 (13:04):
Now back to gun talk, all right, back with you here,
Tom Gresham. It is so the annual meetings. We're having
fun here talking with us, lots of cool people. There's
so much innovation going on. I mean, you think, okay,
what are you gonna do? You got guns? Well, there's
innovation and guns. There's innovation in ambo. But one of
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the areas where we've got an awful lot going on
in terms of technology, it is in suppressures. We're joining
right now by Darryl Morrow. Darryl with Hucks works right, Yes, sir, okay.
So one of the things I keep hearing people talk about,
and I have to admit I don't fully understand it
is flow through and back pressure, and there's a lot
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of science going on in some pressures these days. You
want to bring us up to speed.
Speaker 10 (13:50):
Absolutely, we are the pioneers of flow through technology. And
what that means is a traditional baffled suppressor, which is
what you know hire a Maximum invented back in the
early nineteen hundreds. A lot of people know this, but
he's the same guy that admitted the muffler.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
So so it's the machine gun, yep.
Speaker 10 (14:07):
Yeah, And so it's a it's a very similar concept
in that traditional baffled suppressure is what they're designed to
do is like the muffler in your car, is capture
and hold those gases as long as possible for entering
the atmosphere.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
That was what makes it quiet.
Speaker 10 (14:20):
But and when you put that application into a suppressor,
those gases have to go one.
Speaker 9 (14:24):
Or two directions.
Speaker 10 (14:25):
So normally on a traditional baffled suppressor, the gases they
go up to your you know, your muzzle or or not.
All the gases they're in the suppress so when they
come back into the operating system, that's what we're referred
to as blowback. And so what that's doing is it's
increasing the bolt velocity on your firearm. So it's making
the firearm run harder, so it's going to get a
sharper recolding pulse. It makes it run dirty or I
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don't know if you ever shot suppressed much.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Oh man, it's dirty. Is everything up? Even you take
your meg out and the am of that is still
in the mag. It's like all this junk has been
blown right back into your mag. It's just everything's doct.
Speaker 10 (15:00):
Yeah, So the carbon and lead and all that stuff
that comes back in. So with what our suppressors do
is that is what we call float through technology, and
so we use a technology that allows for the gases
to enter the suppressors start spinning and then redirect to
go forward, backward, and then forward again, and then out
of we put ports on the end of our our
suppressors and so all those gases you're able to go forward.
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So that does a couple of things for the shooter.
It makes it more pleasurable shooting experience because you're not
getting gas in your face. Sure within those gases are
not very good for you. Those gas contain obviously lead,
but ammonia, carbon dioxide and hundreds so star over there.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
You really don't want to be breathing.
Speaker 9 (15:37):
Correct And then so it makes a gun one cleaner.
Speaker 10 (15:40):
It's going to be a lighter recal impulse because your
bolt's not slamming back into the firearm, not not going
faster than the manufacturer designed it.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Yeah, okay, one of the b areers. It occurs to
me that I would think in the military this would
be particularly important for if I go out and shoot
a couple hundred rounds in a day, that's one thing.
But if somebody's out there shooting full auto and going
through an awful lot of ambo, that's a lot of
blowback coming back in their faces and hard on the equipment.
Speaker 10 (16:10):
So exactly, and we actually some people know that, some
people don't. But we rebranded from OSS Suppressors to Hugsworks,
And the reason being is what huswork stands for is
human exposure Workshop. So we did a deep dive, We
did scientific studies with PhDs to show the effects of
shooting suppressed at high volumes. So a big portion of
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our customer base is the professional end user, and that
is very important to them. If you think of burn
pits and all of our boys and girls coming back
and the health effects that they're having sure because of that.
It's very similar to when you shoot suppressed and you're
getting some of that stuff and inhaling it. And so
we've done studies on baseline of unsuppressed versus suppressed with
traditional bafflet suppressors and then our float through cans, and
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so with our float through it's going to be very
close to that baseline and that is very important to
those guys because in the studies that we and girls
with the studies that we've shown is you have immediate,
mid term and long term health effects being exposed to
these toxic gases. And so so we do a lot
of work in the in the professional world and then
you know that transitions over to the commercial shooters. So
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it's you know, it's a good thing about our cans
is that there's no usually no weapon mods. A lot
of times when you put a pressure on there and.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
It, yeah, that's why you're adjusting the gas system and
everything else. But you've got a can on there. You
don't have to do that with yours. No, no, sir,
not for the most part.
Speaker 10 (17:36):
And I don't know if you're like me, but I'm
not a gunsmith, and I will bring up I once
I start tinkering, I usually break it. And so, uh
so it's it's good for a person like me that
is a novice when it comes to working on guns.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Uh, screwing on a can that's about as much gunsmith because.
Speaker 10 (17:53):
I do that's about as much as I'm comfortable doing.
But uh but no, so so that's been the trend
that we created. You know, the company started uh you
know a while ago, but it's people are really realizing
now what that blowback does. But just you know, for
the general consumer out there, the thing that I find
shooting our suppressius us traditional baplet suppresses. It's just a
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more pleasurable shooting experience because you're not getting all that
gas in your face. You're still getting great sound suppression.
The gun's going to run how the manufacturer designed it.
And then so we're really proud of that.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
How do you make I mean, what's the process.
Speaker 10 (18:30):
So we use additive manufacturing or three D printing. And
what that's allowed is we used to see and see
and just do traditional manufacturing. But by switching over to
additive manufacturing and three D printing, we use a couple
of different mediums. We use, you know, titanium, stainless, We
can do incanel if called for specific applications. But you know,
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with three D printing, the geometry you're able to accomplish
is impossible to do with traditional scene and c. So
by doing that, you're able to play with models and
the way we do it in you know, in houses,
we do a resin print, you know, proof concept on
the computer, resin print, make sure kind of looks like
and then we'll get an actual one and then test
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it out.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
So with three D printing you can actually follow through
on the what if I say, what if we could
do this exactly? Well, actually we can.
Speaker 10 (19:20):
Now yeah, and from there we're able to from you know,
fluid dynamics and all kinds of things that I do
not understand that we have people a lot smarter than me.
Speaker 9 (19:28):
I'm just the dumb sales guy.
Speaker 10 (19:30):
Uh, But they're able to play around with and do
some really unique things. And then you know, we've got
some some key features in our products that we're really
proud of used to be you know, from an R
and D standpoint, that's where three D printing really comes
into play. Because if you're if you look at a
traditional you know, I don't care what you make, and
if you haven't deal with machines where you're programming and
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stuff like that, you're dealing with changing out bits and
you know all the other things that again.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
It's slow and it's expensive. Yeah yeah, well three D
printing you just change programming.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Yes, we have to spit this out.
Speaker 10 (20:02):
And that also helps with production as well, because last
year about this time or beginning of twenty twenty four,
when the suppress were wait times you know, went way
down right, demand skyrocketed, which is great for the industry,
but it can.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Be it can be how you're going to catch up head.
Speaker 10 (20:19):
Exactly, and so some consumers are you know, like, hey,
I want this, but it's backwarder forever.
Speaker 9 (20:23):
So with us, by by printing, we're a lot.
Speaker 10 (20:25):
More nimble and so we were able to you know,
increase our production tremendously in about sixty days.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Wow. All right, let me ask you. You mentioned the
different materials, why would you choose one kind of material
over another.
Speaker 10 (20:40):
Well, every you know, material has its benefits and drawbacks, right,
I won't say drawbacks, but just it just depends on
the application. So if you're going for super lightweight, titanium
is a great meaning metal to use for that. If
you're looking for something that's going to be more hard use, uh,
stainless steel is going to be you know, going to
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be more durable than that. And then if you're looking
for something that is going to go on a belt
fetter or something like that, that's gonna have what that
needs to have the most durability all that other good stuff,
that's where we go to like an incanel can.
Speaker 9 (21:13):
So that's the different materials titanium.
Speaker 10 (21:16):
Like I said, we really like titanium because it's lightweight,
it's great performance at prints really.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Well, and for your average user who's not going to
go through tens of thousands of rounds full auto, it
works fine.
Speaker 9 (21:28):
Yes sir, yes, sir.
Speaker 10 (21:29):
And it's so we were able to play around with
some different things and and and just have a different
option just depending on what the end user.
Speaker 9 (21:36):
You know, if you're a hard.
Speaker 10 (21:37):
Use guy, then you know we've got to can for
that if you're occasional guy backpack You know, if you're
going to a backpack hunter and you want something super lightweight,
we got you there.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Where do they find out? Watch your website hugsworks dot.
Speaker 9 (21:48):
Com, h u x w r x dot com, h
u x w.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
R x dot com. Yes, sir, and you got all
the information about the different you know, technologies and everything
else you got involved in. Yes, sir, very cool. I
really apreciate the education. I learned a lot on this though.
I appreciate. It's always good to talk to you, Tom,
Absolutely so. Can's are a thing. You know, people are
actually putting those on and use them everywhere. And if
you're not shooting the can, you're just not very considered.
When you know, when somebody on quirks one at the
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range and it's loud, everybody's shooting suppressed, everybody kind of
turns over and looks at him and go, what's wrong
with that? Dude? Gran't tell you. It is a different time,
it's a different place, and we're having fun over here
and guess what this is? Gun talk. I'm Tom Gresham,
wish you could be here. Maybe I'll see you in
NRA next year. All right back with you here, Tom Gresham,
(22:36):
it's gun talk. If you want to follow me over
on X. I am at gun talk over there, and
as I say, we're at Enner's Annuel meetings having fun. Here.
I get to talk to a lot of our friends,
some of them we've been friends with a long time.
And that is our next guest here. You probably know
the name Kim Roady, because if you do, you know shooting.
If you don't, shame on you, Kim. You and I
have known each other since you were a little bitty.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
Girl making me feel old here now.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Yeah, we're both over there. We used to be a
young lady and you were thirteen. I think there's the
first time I interviewed you, and then you went on
to win let's see, medals in six consecutive Olympic.
Speaker 9 (23:15):
Games, just a few.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
You're unbelievable.
Speaker 11 (23:18):
Well thanks, I'm still going for it. Hopefully we got
another medal, you know, for the United States in LA
twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 12 (23:24):
We're still shooting.
Speaker 11 (23:25):
I just got back from two World Cups, one in
Argentina one in Lima.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
You're winning stuff.
Speaker 11 (23:29):
One is silver and a gold, so yeah, we're still
I still got it.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
How do you do that?
Speaker 11 (23:35):
You know, I think it's just a I think everyone
will tell you it's a lot of lead down range,
a lot of practice. I mean, I've shot just a
few rounds, a few million rounds in my life, right,
And yeah, I mean I hope I'm good at that point.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Yeah, you know you're more than just good. Nobody wins
Olympics medals in six consecutive games. That's a long period
of time to be the top of any sport.
Speaker 11 (24:01):
Yes, yeah, I'm the only one of two in the
world to have ever done that in any sport. So
to have six consecutive Olympic medals, yeah, it's it's amazing.
It's a huge honor, something I don't take lightly. And
hopefully we can make it a seventh in LA all right, so.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Tell me about that. Who You've got limit games coming up?
And I guess you just figured out where the venues
are going to be.
Speaker 11 (24:23):
Yes, LA twenty twenty just made the announcement. The shotgun
will be at La Clay's and the rifle pistol will
be at the Long Beach Convention Center. So we're very excited. Obviously,
ISSF is full support of that, and you know, We're
just looking forward to showcasing the sport, the venue. We
encourage everyone to come out, support, watch, cheer on the
athletes as we lead up to it too, because I mean,
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we still have World Cups, World Championships, that's true going.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
On, and that's what determines who actually gets to go
to the Olympics. It's the weirdest. I mean, you understand
that nobody else on the planet understands how this thing works,
of their slots and the quotas and the whatever they are.
Speaker 11 (25:00):
Right, it starts about two years out from the Olympics.
You have to win World Cups, World Championships and ultimately
win quotas, and depending upon how many quotas a country
has shows how many athletes get to go for that country.
And obviously United States is wanting to fill all those
slots and we want to have the best representation that
we can there, and you know USA Shooting is always
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looking to do that. So yeah, it's a tedious process,
takes a lot of time and a lot of commitment,
not just from the athletes but from the countries as well.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
One of the things you've always done is you've always
worked with young shooters encourage young people to get into this,
and it courage to me that we need more people
doing it, because as you get more people getting into
competitive shooting, you end up with better shooters just the
way the numbers work, and we have a better chance
of winning more medals at the Olympics.
Speaker 11 (25:52):
Oh of course, I mean we're looking at all the
pipelines coming in. I mean from all the different youth
organizations within you know, nra ATA. I mean, there's so
many different organizations out there, high school clay Targets, SCTP,
the list goes on and on, and so obviously we
want the best of the best. We want these kids
to be introduced to the international style of shotgun shooting
and then from there hopefully draw a passion for the
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Olympics and the competitive sports, and hopefully go on to
represent the United States, because at the end of the day,
that's what we're doing. We're wearing that red, white and
blue on our back, and we're bringing those home, bringing
home those medals for the United States, and I don't
think there's any greater honor than that.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
I want to tell a story on you.
Speaker 12 (26:31):
Oh, here we go.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
I don't know this one. We do have stories. We
were at the Grand many years ago, and you had
won Olympic medals up to that point, and there was
a day when the U shooters were all in there
and I'm looking for you, and somebody said, I think
she's in the back, and I go upstairs and go
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in the back and work my way through this building
and they're in the back in this room by yourself.
You're on your hands and knees on the floor, scoring
writing down scores for these young shooters. There's nobody in there.
You are the Olympic champion and you're in there writing
down the scores for these young shooters.
Speaker 11 (27:12):
I remember that. Yeah, it was basically I think it
was for an setp. We were just trying to get
these kids figured out so they could have their shoot
offs and their competitions and really get it scored correctly.
And I was just back there doing like everybody else,
just volunteering, trying to make it come together for these kids.
I mean, that's the future kids women. That's something I've
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always been passionate about.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
It.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
You're at the superstar everybody's looking up to, and you're
back there doing this. I mean that just I just
want to share that because I want people to know
who you are.
Speaker 11 (27:42):
Yeah, well, it's something I think that you know, as
a parent now I have an eleven year old, I
think every parent just wants to see their kids be
successful and see that future. I think, you know, I've
done it a million times. I've won a million different trophies.
And I was joking with you earlier before we got
on here that don't have trophy up in my house.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
You know.
Speaker 11 (28:01):
I don't do it for the for the metal or
for the win. I do it for the passion, for
the love, for the people, the places, and also for
giving back. I mean, these kids are the future, and
that's something I definitely want to have my son be
able to enjoy like I've you know, been able to
for so many years.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
You know, we say this, but you are the living
embodiment of it, and that is that shooting is a
lifetime sport. And people may not know that the oldest
person to win Olympic medal was in the shooting sport.
Speaker 12 (28:31):
Yeah, Oscar Swan.
Speaker 11 (28:32):
He was seventy two years old when he walked away
with a silver medal and the running beard double shot
team events at an event we don't have anymore. But yeah,
I mean it's incredible when you look back to some
of the photos of you know, the Olympics. I mean
they were standing out in the middle of a field
with stones, you know, marking this place and that place,
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and you know, the machines didn't even have houses. And
I mean it's fascinating to see where we started to
where we have come. And yeah, it's been incredible and
I think that you know, it's a testament to our ancestors,
testament to the sport, testament to our history. I mean,
it's been a lot of fun over the years. I
mean I can't go back that far, but I definitely
(29:16):
have a few years under my belt.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Yes, you do. You were I think at like age thirteen,
you were the US women's skate champion.
Speaker 11 (29:24):
Yes, I won the world in at thirteen at the World.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Maybe the adults now at thirteen.
Speaker 11 (29:30):
Yes, yeah, I shot a I want to say, I
shot a four eight or four ninety nine out of
five hundred.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Of course you would remember that something like that.
Speaker 11 (29:38):
Yeah, that was a long time ago, and that was
an American skeet all four gauges, including doubles. And now
the Olympic coach happened to see me and said, you know,
would you be willing to try international? And I said sure,
And the journey began. There you go, and it takes
the Olympics later and.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Still tear it up and on your way to the
next one.
Speaker 11 (29:56):
I'm going for it again. And you know, I think
a lot of people don't realize that this is a pie.
It took a lot of people, a lot of support,
people like you, people from the industry, you know, my sponsors, BARRETTA, Winchester, Randolph,
A lot of people help get you to where you're going.
It's not something you do on your own. And I'm
(30:17):
the first to say thank you to all of them,
to all the supporters and everything. So I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Over the years, and sometimes we'll come back, we'll talk
about how you're challenging California and people can look up
the Rody versus Bonte or Sarah or whoever it is
right now on the AML case because you're involved in
Second Amendment cases. But we're out of time here, Kim Roady,
I love you. Thank you so much for everything you do.
Speaker 11 (30:40):
Thanks for having me. It's a pleasure to be here.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
All right. We'll be right back.
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at the NRA's annual meetings here, and well I call
it the NRA Show. It's not actually what they call
it officially. That's okay, because it's a big exhibit hall
with lots of guns and Ammo and everything else. And
our next guest will be here in a minute because
he got Shanghai. He's outside the door there talking with
Kim Roady, our last guest I mentioned just as she
was finishing. Kim is the lead plaintiff ensuing the State
(33:29):
of California in their requirements about purchasing Ammo and doing
a background check and the restrictions they have there. So
that case is road versus I think it's Bonta, then Bassera,
and then whoever's the next attorney general. That's been going
on for years and years, and so she's in the
lead on that one as well as well. So just
(33:51):
you know, let you know that people are involved in
a lot of different aspects of this. And of course
Kim being Alympic not just athlete, an Olympic champion. Nobody
wins nobody wins the Olympics, wins you know, the medal,
whether it's gold, silver, or bronze in six consecutive Olympic
(34:15):
Games like she has done. Just an amazing athlete and
a really great person. And right now we're joined by
talking about another old friend of ours, somebody who had
been known for many years, been here a long time,
Pete Brown now from brown Els. Hey doing partner.
Speaker 12 (34:31):
I'm doing pretty good, Tom good.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
When didn't you last night you were making friends with
one of the homeless people out here on the street.
There I was, you were taking care of him. Yeah,
you're a good man.
Speaker 12 (34:42):
We're all blessed and we try to give back when
we can.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Well, there you go. So all right, everybody knows brown
Els except people don't know brown Ells been around your
third generation. Yeah, how long? How long has this been
going on?
Speaker 12 (34:55):
Eighty five years? We're not ready to cross over eighty six.
I like to remind and my friends over at Hornby
that we're ten years older than they are.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
You rub it in with Steve, you do a little bit, yeah,
j Yeah, there you go. I like that. I'm sure
he appreciates that. No, no, no, not at all. So
your dad actually started I know, your granddad actually started
this making parts and supplies for gunsmiths.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
Yeah, it was God.
Speaker 12 (35:24):
He innovated a lot in the early ages of gunsmith
and there's some great gunsmiths out there, and he was
the kind of the person that was helping them get parts,
and he made some of the tools, like I mean,
I don't want to say magnetic screwdriver kits were unique.
But he brought that to this industry, right right, gun
cold blwing, Oh yeah yeah. Glass glass betting acroaglass, acharglass.
(35:48):
So glass betting was my grandpa's term, and he brought
glass betting to it. All that accroisation stuff bluing at
home and you used to have to send it back
to send it back to.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Bill home guns smith. It was pretty much brown else.
That's what you did. You got all your stuff from
out Brown Els and the huge catalog that you got
each ear. It was kind of our equivalent of the
serious catalog from way back then. And now fast forward,
you know, eighty something years forward and it's online with
massive website and it's not just gunsmithing parts, it's everything
(36:20):
for guns and includes guns and AMMO.
Speaker 12 (36:23):
That's right, yep. So we've expanded. We actually acquired a
wholesale company that was right down the road from us,
and we're the third We are the only thirty percent
of the shot shell distribution as a distribute. Yeah yeah,
really yep, so Crow wholesale. So if you are basically
in the South or kind of the Midwest.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
The wholesaleer would be somebod who sells to gun stores.
So if you're a gun store, you can order directly from.
Speaker 12 (36:50):
Crowle Yes again yep. So that helped feed the the
warehouse and we drop ship from Crow to Brown House
Guns and well through Brown Elsa and all that.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
So so you can, but individuals can also go on
your website and order to amos.
Speaker 12 (37:06):
At Brownhels dot com.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
Take advantage of the discouts, the availability, the streamlining, if
you are the pipeline that you have available. That's right,
because you're the middleman as well as being you know,
the end sellar.
Speaker 12 (37:19):
Yeah, well, I mean yeah, we we manufactured or we
have manufactured for us, the tools, the things when you
have on your gun bench if you're really starting out,
we've got that anything that you need to really be
at a good start for cleaning mats, screw to every
kid's pins. The things you needed is to maintain your
fire all the way up to being a master gunsmith.
So it's souping nuts on one of the bench and
(37:40):
then all the parts and tools in between.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
Also, one of the big secrets you have that I
try to share so I don't want to be a secret.
And when people have a question about a part or
fixing something anything else, I said, look, just call the
text the brown house. You've got a whole team of
top level gunsmiths.
Speaker 12 (37:57):
Yeah, we do.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
And you know it's like they can eat answer the question,
or they know who can answer the question.
Speaker 12 (38:02):
Right with the advents of guys, we've been doing social
media for years. We used to write these books or
we used to get gunsmithing tips written and drawn and
sent to us and we'd produce these these books guns
with Kinks. That's right, And so that's now in the
modern day world where it's now online as social media
is one place. But you know, some of the advice
you get there is not necessarily fully baked by experts.
(38:25):
Give us a call at brown Els and you'll find
us at brownel dot com and they Internet.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
So you've got people who are doing really good, lots
of cool videos on how to do things. You've got
instructional videos all on the website. Now you know, available
a lot of different ways to do that. Let's do this.
I want to take a quick break here. We come
back and we're going to have a couple of mautes
just we'll talk a little bit about where we are
with the industry. Yes, that's one of the things you do,
is you work on that different level, not just selling stuff,
(38:50):
but actually kind of what's good for us as gun
owners and as the industry. Yep, glad to there you go.
So they check it out brown els dot com. Go
take a look over there and you can see what's
going on. It's like, you know, every time I go there,
it costs me money. I'm sorry, Pete, You're not sorry.
We're not sorry in the least that I spend money
over there. That's why you do it every day. There
(39:11):
you go, Hi, don't go a far. We'll be right
back right here at the NRA Annual meetings. All with
a good friend Pete brownele here from brownails dot com.
And p of course you've got brown Els, You've got Sinclair,
(39:31):
You've got you know crow, you got all different things
you guys do. Part of this is that you have
an outlook on this that's more than just selling product.
You take a look at the whole industry and kind
of where we are as an industry also from a
Second Amendment standpoint, and you're very active and that fight
as well. I just wondering if you kind of have
any thoughts of where we are at this moment in time.
Speaker 12 (39:55):
Industry. So this is really a macroeconomic aspect. The pandemic
was a multi generation I mean, I mean we were
talking over the break about you know, grandparents, Grits or
your dad and my grandpa were buddies, right, not even
they saw a spike and a trough in the industry
like we just saw with the pandemic. So it's really
(40:16):
hard to have to drop something that big into the
economy and have their the recovery be anything about what
it was, which was pretty bad, right. I Mean, we
had this great everybody was running hard, and over the
years we've seen spikes and troughs, and it's really been
It was fantastic for the industry as far as transactions
and sales and margin because it was scarcity and there
(40:38):
was new entrance and there was a lot of demand.
But that stopped, and as an industry, we had this
feeling that just how long was it going to go?
And we've seen over the years that as far up
as you go, you go down that far. So there's
this volume thing, but it takes twice as long to recover.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
Okay, so we're still in recovery.
Speaker 12 (40:57):
We're still in recovery. So we had about eighteen months
of pandemic according to our clock, and we got about
about thirty six months. So it's about now. Somewhere in
the window of now is when we're going to get
back to our mean line. And the industry has always
had an increase in BAVE dollars and we're just approaching
that line now, still down year over year predominantly because
(41:19):
we've had a lot of people who came into the
marketplace who are now leaving the marketplace, and when that happens,
that floods the industry. So we're seeing a lot. It's
a buyer's market right now, and we've trained the over
the last thirty six months, we've trained consumers to look
for the deal, and they don't trust the deal that
they see today because tomorrow it might be better. And
(41:43):
also customers the overall consumer behavior is one of concern now.
That's the lowest we've seen about forty years on consumer index,
consumer behavior index, and confidence. And so I think people
are that are in our space, that are buying arms,
are are hopeful for the future given that these these
(42:03):
tariffs are just hitting us right will soon be going
to be I think anybody thinks will be negotiated in
our favor. Things will get cheaper, but not right now.
So they're really holding on to the dollars. Sure we
all do.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
It's all right now. If you're in the farm's industry,
your gun maker or seller of any type you're looking at,
you know sales are flat, are down, and you're kind
of saying where we're going to go. What you're saying
is be patient.
Speaker 12 (42:28):
Be patient. Right, consumers are making value decisions now, not
necessarily just cheap to buying cheap, they're buying good value.
So US Made is making inroads. People are when they're
when they're biking a purchase, they're looking at the generational
value that they're purchasing, which is really good. So that's
so the high end AR fifteens, for example, revolvers are
(42:49):
starting to move a little bit faster. Bolt action rifles
are doing great there, so focus in on that. We
also see people looking at personalizing their firem and that's
what we do is we see a lot of movement
toward people making it there.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
Oh, it's great about ars. You can make it anything
you want it to be, right, And that's what Brown
Els does is we will help you make it whatever
you want it to be. Yeah, that's the way your gun.
There will be no other gun like your gun because
you personalize it, that's right.
Speaker 12 (43:15):
It becomes your total your brand.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
And I would just say that take a look at
some of the videos you guys do. You do wonderful
work at helping people you know, customize and fix and
everything else. I mean the guys at Brown Else, you
are you know, talking about America's wifle. You are America's
supplier to the gunsmithing and the tinker of trade. Yeah yeah,
great work, Pey Brown. Now, thank you so much. Always
a pleasure having me around here.
Speaker 3 (43:36):
It's great to come back often.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
Okay, yeah, off and yeah, I will do there. You
go all right, So I'll tell you what. Speaking of
coming back, we won't do that in just a minute,
and you don't want to go far because we've got
quite the lineup coming up the NRA. What's going on there.
We'll have some updates for you.
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