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-- Old and new. Putting an electronic optic on a revolver. Colt pro shooter Mark Redl explains how the iconic gun manufacturer makes it easy.
-- Rob Morse, from Slow Facts, reviews the new book from Ed Monk on defending schools and churches.
-- Make your shooting practice realistic to make it worthwhile.
Gun Talk 07.20.25 Hour 3
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-- Old and new. Putting an electronic optic on a revolver. Colt pro shooter Mark Redl explains how the iconic gun manufacturer makes it easy.
-- Rob Morse, from Slow Facts, reviews the new book from Ed Monk on defending schools and churches.
-- Make your shooting practice realistic to make it worthwhile.
Gun Talk 07.20.25 Hour 3
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
Hey, welcome back to gun Talk Tom Gresham here, of course,
give me a call eight sixty six Talk Gun or
Tom Talkgun. It's always fun to talk about politics, and
we can go down that rat hole sometimes, but it's
for me. It's a lot more fun to talk about
cool guns and fun stuff and ammo and I mean
even primers and loading. I mean, this doesn't really matter
if it's about guns and all the stuff, because I
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am a stuff guy for sure. In fact, there are
some friends that dubbed me with the name they come
Gadget Gresham because all the stuff I have, and I
got a problem with that. That's fine, so let me
right now bring in another gadget guy. He's a stuff guy,
Mark Raddler from Colt Mark. I bet you got more
than one gun somewhere.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
I do.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
I definitely have more than one gun. And they're not
all cults.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
I'll tell you.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
I do like a variety of firearms.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Interesting you say that, because when I talk to like
Rob Latham, Okay, Springfield guy. But he'll say, well, let
me tell you about my Colt or my Smith. I'm like,
because we're gun guys, right, correct. I mean, you have
other brands of guns simply because they're interesting and fun
and you've had them for a long time. And yeah,
you may be a professional shooter with Colt and know
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all of that stuff and you have all access to
everything there.
Speaker 5 (01:23):
But we just like all sorts of different guns.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Let's let's talk some of the twenty two's that we
all own to go out and have fun clinking and
shooting and just take a brick out. It's an expensive
it's good practice absolutely.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
I mean, if you are lucky enough to have a
Smith and West Model forty one, you know, one of.
Speaker 5 (01:43):
The great target guns.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
I mean, and probably everybody has a Ruger twenty two
Semiauto somewhere.
Speaker 5 (01:49):
You know. He's like, oh yeah, I got that, I
got that. Okay, cool, you know.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Not just not to say we're not gonna love Colt. Okay,
And as long as you brought up twenty twos, let's
go ahead and start there, because you got to do
some really fun stuff. It's funny because last week on
the show. We were talking about twenty two's and you said,
we know, we got to talk about the twenty two revolver,
So you have the floor, sir, Yes, Well.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
We introduced our twenty two revolver last year at shot Show,
well this year at shot Show, right. The first offerings
were four and a quarter and six inch perils. Since
then we went with an eight inch peril. But the
ones that I really loved and I got done testing
and I think you're a really neat gun is we
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make it an two inch and a three inch person
now with adjustable sites. So it's ten shots, twenty two
long rifle, perfect kickgun, perfect gun that somebody can learn
to shoot a revolver well inexpensively.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Well yeah, inexpensively and not having to tackle the recoiler
of a thirty eight or a three fifty seven and
just work on your trigger pull and single action and
double action.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
Correct, you know, to take out my grandson that's eleven
years old and put that in his hands and there's
no flinching, or there's not a real loud no, especially
if you get some of the slower sub song stuff.
They're really quiet in a revolver. It doesn't matter because
it works well.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
That's true. You don't have to worry about it working
in action. In this case, it's just going to If
you'll go in the chamber, it's going to go off.
It's going to work.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
Really excited about them. They've been received very well. At
the Nterra show, we introduced optic plates for our adjustable
site revolvers, the King Cobra, Python and Anaconda. And what
makes that so great is Cam Langeman and I when
we started talking about coming up with it. It's designed
to go on the gun with no modifications to the
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gun whatsoever. So everybody has this.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
I'm just going to say this is backwards compatible. So
if I have a Python right now, I can go
optics on it.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
If you have the toy twenty Python, you can go optic.
You remove the rear sight, the optic plate is held
in by word, the adjustment screw would be on your
rear site and the front sight pin. You're off to
the races. It's nice and low and you can sweat
back and forth if you want. But it's somebody you know,
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so much of us when we see auto orders, Oh,
I wish I had bought a optic ready when now
I got to send a halb with have machine. Will
know I shot a lot of the different guns. I
tell you what it's neat shooting a revolver with a dot.
Speaker 5 (04:33):
It's different, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
It's very different when you're used to iron sights to
shoot a dot. But if you if you get used
to it, it is fast for aging eyes. It's a
great thing. I don't have to worry about prescription glasses.
I not go that to the affinity.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Well, I here's a thought then, to bounce this off
of you. You put a dot on your revolver and
a lot of people I mean, and you know, you've
taught a gazillion people to shoot trouble with the double
action pull on a revolver. A little heavier, pull a
little longer, pull harder, shoot it accurately. Let's go dry
fire with a dot and keep the dot on the
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target and work on that double action trigger pull.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
Yeah, I remember the old days. We used to put
like a penny or something on top.
Speaker 5 (05:18):
Of the gun. Yes, yes, it work.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
You don't need to do that now. You just put
the target down range. And you know, I like to
tell people it's really not a trigger pull like Thomas
more of a rolling motion.
Speaker 5 (05:29):
It's good to trigger.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Out describe that because I've called it a sweep. It's
like once you get started to sweep it all the
way back, now you're you're saying a rolling motion.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
Yeah, I told people this. Sometimes they think it's pretty neat.
It's when I have my lemon wedge in my hand
and I'm gonna squeeze into my iced tea. If I
mash it, the juice goes all over. You need that
if you want to call sweep.
Speaker 5 (05:53):
A rolling motion.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
Nice even press all the way through all that lemon
just goes in your ice tea.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
It doesn't spray all over.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
That's about the way you have to shoot a revolver
that nice constant pressure rolling on back through the truck.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
And don't hesitate and try to time that last part right.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
Well, no, just let it come right on back. It's
almost a surprise break. That's the best way to describe it.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Once you get the feel that you go, oh okay,
you know, but you know it cours to me work.
A lot of that is based on trust. You've got
to develop a trust that this works.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
Yes, But to dot, like you were saying, dry fire
is going to give you that confidence and then go
to steal where now you're get into ringing afterwards. Then
that's when your confidence goes sky high. And like you said,
it's almost like when it starts working, it's like, oh,
the light bulb comes on.
Speaker 5 (06:44):
Yeah, oh all right.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
I want to switch back, just so people didn't miss
the twenty two. We're talking a ten shot twenty two.
And of course you and I are both fans of
the three inch barrel revolver. I just I think that's
one of the best packages available. And you say it's
got adjustable.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
Yes, we left the adjustable rear site the target sites
from the king Cobra four inch, so it has that
same rib you know, heavy three inch barrel machine barrel.
It's I do. I probably think the balance on a
three inch is much better than a two inch, and
you're really not. Let's face it, if I'm carrying concealed
or I want to put them at a backpack or anything,
that one inch doesn't make that big of a difference
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doing that, But that one inch for target radius makes
a huge difference.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
I agree. I think they're much easier to shoot. I mean, honestly,
with a good three inch revolver. I feel completely comfortable
shooting fifty yards with most of those.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
Yeah, well, how many of us have Model ten three
inch six eighty six three inch and we'll do that.
We'll go on a woll shoot steel fifty yards, no.
Speaker 5 (07:44):
Problem, Oh yeah, or maybe even a Python Python.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
Yeah, we had the three the three I think the
three inch Python looked so much better than two inch too.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Oh yes, all right now, because I'm schizophrenic, let's jomp
back to the semiautos.
Speaker 5 (08:02):
Let's talk about those. Okay.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
Well, of course the rage is carry optics or a
red dot on your gun. And this year NRA we
released our nineteen eleven carry optic version. The first one
that we're basing on is, of course, our competition model.
It's a seventy series gun that comes with a cover
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plate with fixed site on the rear with your fiber
optic front site. Those are already on distribution. They are
going out to dealers stores right now September all the place.
There will be three plates like everybody else, to cover
eighty percent of all the optics that are out there today,
so you can put out whichever flavor you want. When
people have slides machine for dots, especially on nineteen eleven.
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That barrel is on a one degree downward slant when
it's locked up in a nineteen eleven, so we made sure,
of course that the machine to slide to mirror that.
So now you've got adjustment up and down on your dot.
A lot of times if they don't do that, you
can get to the to assert to the high level
and you're right there. It's cited in, but you can't
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go any higher in.
Speaker 5 (09:11):
Okay, she use machine that in from the start because
you knew that's what we needed.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
Underneath the screw holes for the mounting screws for the optic,
we may oblong holes pockets in the slide, so if
the screws are a little longer that come with your optic,
they don't bottom out on the slide. And a lot
of people have that problem. Oh it's torque, but it's
not tight to the optic. This way to go down,
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you're not taking them out, filing them and putting them
back down. We try to make it so when the
person goes to do it, it's real simple to do.
Speaker 5 (09:43):
Now. Is this available in forty five and nine at
this point? Yes?
Speaker 4 (09:47):
Yes, And you know for a plug this year USPSA
in limited ten. You can run a limited ten with
an optic on it. Now, so you can run your
forty five with a ten round mat I can shoot ma,
sure a limited ten it okay, excellent, Yeah, that's and
of course you know, when we design these plates for
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the future, they are compatible with our eighty series guns.
So you know, say two to what else we're going
to be coming.
Speaker 5 (10:15):
Out with, think you something there?
Speaker 4 (10:18):
Well, I want to make sure because even if somebody
wants to have their gun done this way, this eighty series,
it will work more than you wanted to take out
a safety future of your gun.
Speaker 5 (10:28):
Right, No, exactly right.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
So obviously you know, as they say, reports of Colt's
death are greatly exaggerated. Colts are doing a lot of
stuff and creaking out some new product.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
Now, yes, we are where we have, you know, a
team that works in product development. I'm happy to say
that that I have a lot of input from my
shooting experience, which helps, and with me doing a lot
of the testing, it helps because I can come back
and say, well, we've got a hotspot here. In the hotspot,
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of course, is something that will rub your hand or
something and cause it pain. You don't want that when
you're shooting a gun. So we'll make sure that the
guns feel good in everybody's hand.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Things like that.
Speaker 5 (11:09):
So you got a heck of a team of pro
shooters too.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
Yes, we do. You know whyatt whenever I want to
ask something about a rifle, I asked why Gibson. He
can shoot a rifle like you can't believe. And of
course to Williams sisters, they just came back from the
World PCC. Justine was high overall. Woman Jay least I
think was fourth, But I mean they just did outstanding
(11:35):
with our nine millimeter pccs and when they put a
one of our nineteen millimeters nineteen elevens in their hand,
it's wow.
Speaker 5 (11:43):
It's a pleasure to watch.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
The gun, watch them run those guys, it really is well,
Mark Redle, I appreciate your time. Where do we send
people where they want to go? Take a look at
these new ones where it's the best place online to go?
Cult dot com, Yeah, pret dot com. And you know,
we got some new stuff, and I know that there's
some things we can't talk about yet, both in terms
of product.
Speaker 5 (12:04):
And ooh, can I hint events coming up?
Speaker 4 (12:08):
You got a coup couple events coming up.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Yep, yep, yep, yep. We'll be having more about that
as we go along here. I sure appreciate your time,
and I appreciate your friendship.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
Man, No problem, nice, have a good daytime all right?
Speaker 5 (12:20):
You take care right, don't go far. Gun talk over,
You're right back.
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and I just want to congratulate Tom on hitting thirty
years on air. Gun Talk has proven to be a
phenomenal source for Second Amendment education, and here's hoping that
Tom continues to educate us for years to come.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
Well, I appreciate that. I'm just glad to be here,
and Dad that you're here as well. You know what,
you already give me a call.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Let's talk about well, the guns that you have, or
maybe a gun you're thinking about buying. If you've got
a question or comment, or you just think gun people
are just crazy, that's okay, I'll give you the floor.
It's fine, Tom Talk Gun. That's the number. Tom Talk Gun.
Pretty much open lines. As long as we keep it civil,
we can have a great civil conversation. So I am
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getting my hunting rifles ready for the season. I'm already
thinking about fall. It'll be here before you know it,
and if you're not, you need to work on that.
One of the things I have come to believe is
that a lot of hunters spend a lot of time
or some time at least shooting off the bench. They
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get their rifle sighted in, and then they shoot off
of a shooting bench, and maybe it's all you can
do at the range where you go. I get that,
but you got to find a way to practice practice
the way that you would be shooting when you're hunting.
That is, you may be shooting off hand, standing up,
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you may be shooting from a sitting position. You may
be shooting from a prone position laying down. If you
have a practice doing that, it's going to feel awkward
and uncomfortable and maybe unsteady. But there's another factor here
that I think people don't give enough importance, and that
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is it's going to be slower than.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
It needs to be.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
A lot of people I know, if they don't shoot,
get off the bench and practice, they're just incredibly slow, Like, Okay,
there's a deer, shoot it. It takes them forever to
get the rifle off the shoulder, get the scope covers off,
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get the sling on your arm if you're going to
use that, find the animal and the scope. Oh, you've
left the scope on the maximum magnification instead of leaving
it on the lowest magnification, which should always be the case.
And now it's like, where's the deer. Oh he left
a minute ago while you were trying to get ready,
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or you're just taking sodar and long. By the time
you get on the animal, you're nervous. By practicing getting
the rifle off your shoulder and to your you know,
off your shoulder with a sling, and then up to
your shoulder where you can shoot, and then looking through
the scope and oh yeah, this allows me to introduce
the idea of acceptable radical movement.
Speaker 5 (17:40):
The radical is your cross hair.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
And if the radical, if the crosshairs are wobbling so
much that they won't stay on the target area, you
have no business pulling the trigger. You've got to find
a way to get either spore steady or get closer
to where the crosshairs don't wobble off of the deer
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or the elk or whatever is you're shooting. Well, how
do you do that? Well, sit down, get into a
good steady sitting position, or use a shooting tripod. A
lot of people use those these days, a bog pod
type tripod, or lay down prone. If you have a backpack,
throw it down and rest the rifle on the backpack
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and lay down prone and shoot that way. You got
to find a way to get steady. I was just
reading something about this and somebody made a point. I
thought it was really good. He said, look the shots
you're about to take. If I ask you what is
the percentage that you think you'd be able to make
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that shot? Have said all conditions are perfect right now
from where you are and at that distance, what percentage
of shot do you think will hit? And if you say, well,
out eighty percent, you have no business pulling the trigger.
If it's not one hundred percent, then you got to
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change something realistically, ethically, maybe even morally. I think you
owe something to this animal that you're trying to shoot.
And what you owe it is a good clean shot
that won't wound it. They won't send it off hobbling along,
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won't send it off, gutshot where you may or may
not recover it.
Speaker 5 (19:34):
And the way you do.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
That is you say, I know without a doubt that
I can make this shot. Well, there are a lot
of different ways to get there, but primary is practice.
And you may say, oh, I don't want to go
shoot my magnum that much, Okay, fine, I get that.
Nobody wants to go shoot a three hundred magnum a lot.
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Do you have a twenty two? Do you have an
air gun? Do you have a smaller center fire rifle?
Practice with those you get the same training out of
those work. The rifle gets you twenty two that mimics
the rifle that you carry and go out and shoot it.
It's cheaper, there's no recoil, the noise is low, and
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you can practice working from a standing position, from a
sitting position, from a prone position, leaning up against the tree, whatever,
find a way to get in reps. I will guarantee
you this. You will see improvement in minutes. I know
that sounds crazy. If you go out and do a
little practice, you will find that within ten or fifteen
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minutes you're shooting better. You're focusing, you're working on your
trigger press, you're working on everything. It just flat gets better.
You get more accurate, you become more effective. You know
what else happens. You have a lot of fun because
you're shooting. So the other day when I was out shooting,
I was practicing shooting from a sitting position. I didn't
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flop down prone because our situation wasn't such that I
could do that. But it's really a good idea to
do that as well, because if you've not shot from
a prone position, you may find it's a little difficult
to get everything situated. Time is your enemy. You need
to get into a position and get on the animal
to where you can get your finger on the trigger
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and start pressing. And I would say put yourself on
a time, or have a buddy out there say okay,
make it as though you're walking along. You got the
rifle over your shoulder. There's the deer. Okay, obviously you
got to target out there at whatever distance fifty yards,
one hundred yards, start the timer, use the time on
your phone, and just see how long does it take
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you to get into a position where you can hit.
If you can't hit it, if you're missing, you got
to change something. You got to get into a better position.
Speaker 5 (21:51):
Work on that.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
I mean, I don't know what the number should be,
but ten seconds is a long time.
Speaker 5 (21:57):
You got to be able to get into a position
and be able to shoot.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
And it calling it an eight to ten inch target
at one hundred yards inside of ten seconds. It's worth practicing.
If you are an ethical, serious hunter. That out to
be part of your work up as you're getting ready
for the hunting.
Speaker 5 (22:14):
Seat what they use.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
All right, while we're trying to get a next guest, look,
get Tom in here online four out of Fargo, North Dakota.
Hey Tom, you're on gun Talk.
Speaker 10 (22:30):
Yeah, real quick. So I've never really When my dad
sort of taught me how to shoot, it was practice
on what you're going to be shooting at, bear, deer, squirrels,
whatever it is. I've never gone to a gun range.
I've never really known what they're for. I mean, we'd
set up some practice targets out in the field and
he'd have me do proner sitting and standing right. He
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was he was a World War two vet with an
A one rating I mean or whatever that is in
World War two and he was in the jungles of
the Pacific. So, I mean he never said about going
to a gun range or anything. But then I'm also
in my sixties.
Speaker 5 (23:09):
So he gave you practical experience.
Speaker 10 (23:14):
I'm sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 5 (23:15):
Sir, So he gave you practical experience.
Speaker 10 (23:18):
Yeah, exactly. So I've never sat at a bench. I've
never I've never gone to a gun range. I mean,
I mean, no, what what there really for?
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Well, when when you're when when you're siding in your rifle,
you got to be on the bench to side in
your rifle.
Speaker 5 (23:35):
Why how are you going to side in your rifle otherwise?
Talk to me?
Speaker 10 (23:41):
Well, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
See this is they've already.
Speaker 10 (23:43):
Been sighted in. All my guns are they've been I've
inherited them.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Uh okay, yeah, we need some work here because guns
don't stay sighted in. Uh, they can be off. You've
got and the only way to know if your gun
is I had it in is to shoot it off
of a very steady rest, typically sandbags on a bench,
so there's no movement. Otherwise you don't know if the
reason it's off is because you, or the scope or
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or something else. So it's got to be on a
steady rest of some sort. So generally it's a shooting
bench with sandbags.
Speaker 10 (24:19):
Oh, I didn't know that, so I view I've just
used iron sights because where we used to do it,
sculpes weren't real practical.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Okay, all right, if you used iron sights, and it's
probably not an issue. But if you're working with a scope,
you have to be sued off of a bench to
get it sided in, to get the scope adjusted.
Speaker 10 (24:36):
Oh see, I didn't know that. I really didn't. I
really didn't know that, sir, I really didn't know that.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Yeah, so that's that's why we're shooting off a bench. Also,
if you want to shoot something at a thousand yards,
which a lot of people are doing. Now they're hitting
steal targets. You got to be shooting.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
Off a bench, gotcha?
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Gotcha?
Speaker 10 (24:53):
Okay, well that's why I listen to your show. I
learned something new all the time.
Speaker 5 (24:58):
Thank you, thanks time.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
I appreciate the call, sir. All right, let's go grab
our buddy, Rob Morrise. He just sent me an email.
I said, Hey, we got to give him a call.
Speaker 5 (25:06):
Let's talk. Hey Rob, how are you doing? Man?
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Tom? I learned something every day. There are people that
don't know what arrange is for.
Speaker 5 (25:13):
That's fascinating exactly. Okay, are you pulling my leg? And
it turns out no, he's not.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
Okay, we come from a thousand backgrounds. You and I
both know Ed Monk, we both respect him. A decade ago,
Ed Monk got out of the military, started being a
school teacher, and Hi, I'm the new guy. How do
things work here? And they say, by the way, if
there's an emergency, put all your kids in the corner,
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lock the door, and pray. At Monk's military and he goes,
I'm sorry.
Speaker 10 (25:48):
Say what, say what?
Speaker 5 (25:49):
That doesn't work?
Speaker 3 (25:51):
And now, to his credit, he goes, I am the
new guy. Let me pay attention. Maybe if I stand
on my head, tilt sideway, look at it from a
certain perspective, this makes sense. Well, it does. If you're
afraid of being blamed by your school board, if you're
afraid of being blamed by your insurance company because you
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have arm staff at.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
School, well what you're saying is if you're afraid of
being held responsible.
Speaker 5 (26:19):
Let me back up.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Rob Morris writes a fascinating website called Slow Facts, and
you can look for Rob Morrise Slow Facts.
Speaker 5 (26:28):
And you just did this book review on the first thirty.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Seconds, which is the name of the book by Ed Munk,
And basically Ed goes around the country and talks to
churches and schools, sometimes police departments, and he's teaching them
about how to handle school shootings or mass shootings. So
all right, so that's our baseline that we're talking about.
So go ahead, pick us up and continue your book review, please.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
Well. Ed does a great job laying out the history,
and it's sadly a history of failure. How come we
had Valdi last year? We've what it's been what two
decades since the attack at Sandy Hook? We we should
know way way better. And why are we ignoring it.
Speaker 5 (27:15):
And keep doing the same thing expecting things to change.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
Right, we'll call police and the problem will go away. Well,
let's let's play that game a little bit. Well, SWAT
is better than police, right, And the school administrative goes, yeah, well, gosh,
we've got a National Guard unit in town that's even
better than SWAP. And you go, any solution that takes
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you days in case of National Guard, or hours in
case of SWAT, or minutes in case of your local
cop is going to fail.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Right, because it's all it is progressing. It is the
stopwatch of death. As the stopwatch clicking clicking, clicking, people
are dying, dying, dying, and you must deal with us
the immediately, and the way to do that is to
have one of the people who is on location at
the time it happens stop it exactly.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
Yes, But the thing that I find fun fun I've
been thinking about this problem too. Ed's done a wonderful
job collecting all the evidence. You know, he's going, please
show me that there's a pony and all this ugly,
ugly information that makes it look good, and there really isn't.
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And now he's going, Okay, we got to do better guys.
You know when he went to police departments, before, guys
would say no, no, we should wait for SWAT. And
now he's saying, guys, even if you're the SRO, you
might not be there in time. If it's a big
campus and you don't hear the gunshot, it's going to
be three minutes till you get a phone call from
just telling you where to go if we're not within
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earshot of the first gunspire.
Speaker 5 (28:58):
Well, as you.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
READIA, as you read the book, how is I mean?
People can take this class. If they are interested in this,
then just look up ed Monk and what he does.
What is the reception he's getting to his message of
you must have armed people on location to protect the children.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
This is an issue where sometimes he's talking to the
choir and they go, yeah, this isn't pretty, but yeah,
you know, just a church usher, just a janitor. Yeah,
I see people every day. I relate to those people
and the how how do I do that? Got it?
Ed made some comments in his book that he talks
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about the first thirty seconds. I'm going to distract us
for that. How do we get to that first thirty seconds?
And I think for a lot of the pastors in particular,
it's hard to look at people who have no passion
for others. They haven't they haven't seen people want to
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kill them. Guys in the military have, and I think
malevolence makes us feel so vulnerable they can't even look
at that problem. That's awesome. You're a compassionate pastor, hand
it off. You're a school educator. You work with empathy
and sympathy all day long. You've had coaches, you've had trainers.
They pull you forward. But there's some problems that are
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just not solved with more sympathy and empathy.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Look, sometimes violence is the answer, and sometimes sometimes violence
is the only answer. And the only question is, Okay,
we're going to solve this with violence now. The only
question is are we going to pick up the phone
and call somebody to bring violence here to end this?
Are we going to apply violence here and stop this
before more people get killed? That really is the only question.
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Are you going to wait a while and let more
people die? Are you going to deal with immediately and
let fewer people die? That's the only question to answer.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
What's fascinating is we're dealing with a murderer who finds
violence to be the perfect answer to get his name
into the newspaper.
Speaker 5 (31:09):
Right, he'll be.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
Known around the world by tomorrow morning. He'll probably die
doing it.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
And wanting the BodyCount to be as high as possible
because that's how you get famous. So therefore, a person
who is trained, who is on site and Ed does this,
and I would just encourage people to take a look
at this. The name of the book is the first
thirty seconds by Ed Monk. But Rob tell them how
to find out what you're doing because what you write
is fascinating.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Well, and you can get the links to Ed's book off.
I don't get a cut. It's just it touches me
so much. I think you should find it. Go to
slowfax dot WordPress dot com. I've been writing for a decade,
so slow Fact with you.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Tom all right, slowfactx dot WordPress dot com.
Speaker 5 (31:53):
You can find it there.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (31:56):
I tell you what, I really appreciate what.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
You're doing and bring this up. I appreciate the the
email you just sent me about this because it's an
important thing. And look, if you go to church, if
you've got kids in school, or you care about this,
y'all will know more about this thing. Thank you, so much,
Rob Morris, I appreciate that we're gonna take a quick
break here. When would come back, we'll have your thoughts.
If you've got a thought about the idea of armed
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Speaker 5 (32:22):
Know what you're thinking.
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It depends on where you are, of course, and if
they have metal detectors, that's one thing you can't carry
in those And in.
Speaker 5 (34:57):
A lot of states you may not know this.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
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no gun sign. I consider those requests not instructions, and
the request is for me to agree to or to reject,
and I almost always reject them because the reason I'm
carrying the gun is for my own protection and the
protection of my family. Why would I let somebody rob
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other people what I've been carrying effectively and safely, and
for the most part undetected for for three decades and more.
Why would I say, oh, gee, they've got a no
gun sign. I just I'm gonna go put my gun
in the cart. No, I'm not gonna do that. If
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it's an area where it's not illegal to carry there,
I'm just gonna carry and not worry about it if
I get detected. Here's the thing to understand from a
legal standpoint. If you get detected and they say you
have to leave, which is all they can do, then
you leave. If you don't leave, now, that's trespassing, and
that is in fact action of all, they could call
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you can find I'll leave right now and just leave
the premises. It's a mindset thing. And yeah, I know
you can say, well they have private property rights. Yeah okay,
And when they conflict with me being able to keep
myself alive, I know now we're not going to do that.
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you get to decide whether you actually want to go
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pretty much most federal buildings. But you got to check
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Speaker 5 (37:22):
Does it?
Speaker 2 (37:23):
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I don't see the sign. I don't care about the sign.
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But if something does happen, then I'm going to be
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is protecting myself does necessarily mean shooting, doesn't necessarily mean
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That's the goal is to not get into a gunfight
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or going through the kitchen in a restaurant or whatever.
Don't go out the front door. A lot of times
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And you're che us frankly to be a vicar. Oh,
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Speaker 5 (41:40):
I mentioned that when we.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
First got started, it was really interesting when we were
contacting radio stations. The conversations were and way kind of funny.
I mean I had people say, well, and we had
like a two hour show when we started out, how
could you possibly talk about guns for two hours?
Speaker 5 (41:57):
And they go, well, some of us.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
Talk about guns all day long, you know, more a
lot more than two hours. I don't think it's gonna
be a problem. And then we had the sometimes they
would say it. I think sometimes they wouldn't say it,
but they were thinking it when they would say, well,
you know, we don't we don't run shows like that.
Speaker 5 (42:18):
Well, what do you mean like that? And they had
never heard the show.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
They thought, well, guns, you guys got to be like
what advocating violence and overthrow the government and broadcasting from
your bunker?
Speaker 5 (42:30):
Well not quite, not exactly.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
If you heard of the Olympics shooting is one of
the biggest events in the Olympics. They have a whole
bunch of different separate competitions for shooting there and a
time Summer Olympics. In the Winter Olympics, you have only
the biathlon, which is cool and I could never do that.
Speaker 5 (42:47):
Of course.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
Imagine running cross country and then stopping and threading a needle.
That's kind of what biathlon is. Ski like crazy. Then
you stop and you have to shoot a twenty or
rife it little bitty targets and control your heart rate.
So it's I love watching. It's kind of crazy fun.
Wish we had more coverage of the Summer Olympics, of
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shooting in the Summer Olympics, but typically in the US
we don't get a lot of that. Hey, if you
want to join me for the after show, give me
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get to the range, shoot more right now. Ammal prices
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that you ought to be buying some because that's probably
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
Hey, welcome back to gun Talk Tom Gresham here, of course,
give me a call eight sixty six Talk Gun or
Tom Talkgun. It's always fun to talk about politics, and
we can go down that rat hole sometimes, but it's
for me. It's a lot more fun to talk about
cool guns and fun stuff and ammo and I mean
even primers and loading. I mean, this doesn't really matter
if it's about guns and all the stuff, because I
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am a stuff guy for sure. In fact, there are
some friends that dubbed me with the name they come
Gadget Gresham because all the stuff I have, and I
got a problem with that. That's fine, so let me
right now bring in another gadget guy. He's a stuff guy,
Mark Raddler from Colt Mark. I bet you got more
than one gun somewhere.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
I do.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
I definitely have more than one gun. And they're not
all cults.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
I'll tell you.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
I do like a variety of firearms.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Interesting you say that, because when I talk to like
Rob Latham, Okay, Springfield guy. But he'll say, well, let
me tell you about my Colt or my Smith. I'm like,
because we're gun guys, right, correct. I mean, you have
other brands of guns simply because they're interesting and fun
and you've had them for a long time. And yeah,
you may be a professional shooter with Colt and know
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all of that stuff and you have all access to
everything there.
Speaker 5 (01:23):
But we just like all sorts of different guns.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Let's let's talk some of the twenty two's that we
all own to go out and have fun clinking and
shooting and just take a brick out. It's an expensive
it's good practice absolutely.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
I mean, if you are lucky enough to have a
Smith and West Model forty one, you know, one of.
Speaker 5 (01:43):
The great target guns.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
I mean, and probably everybody has a Ruger twenty two
Semiauto somewhere.
Speaker 5 (01:49):
You know. He's like, oh yeah, I got that, I
got that. Okay, cool, you know.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Not just not to say we're not gonna love Colt. Okay,
And as long as you brought up twenty twos, let's
go ahead and start there, because you got to do
some really fun stuff. It's funny because last week on
the show. We were talking about twenty two's and you said,
we know, we got to talk about the twenty two revolver,
So you have the floor, sir, Yes, Well.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
We introduced our twenty two revolver last year at shot Show,
well this year at shot Show, right. The first offerings
were four and a quarter and six inch perils. Since
then we went with an eight inch peril. But the
ones that I really loved and I got done testing
and I think you're a really neat gun is we
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make it an two inch and a three inch person
now with adjustable sites. So it's ten shots, twenty two
long rifle, perfect kickgun, perfect gun that somebody can learn
to shoot a revolver well inexpensively.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Well yeah, inexpensively and not having to tackle the recoiler
of a thirty eight or a three fifty seven and
just work on your trigger pull and single action and
double action.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
Correct, you know, to take out my grandson that's eleven
years old and put that in his hands and there's
no flinching, or there's not a real loud no, especially
if you get some of the slower sub song stuff.
They're really quiet in a revolver. It doesn't matter because
it works well.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
That's true. You don't have to worry about it working
in action. In this case, it's just going to If
you'll go in the chamber, it's going to go off.
It's going to work.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
Really excited about them. They've been received very well. At
the Nterra show, we introduced optic plates for our adjustable
site revolvers, the King Cobra, Python and Anaconda. And what
makes that so great is Cam Langeman and I when
we started talking about coming up with it. It's designed
to go on the gun with no modifications to the
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gun whatsoever. So everybody has this.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
I'm just going to say this is backwards compatible. So
if I have a Python right now, I can go
optics on it.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
If you have the toy twenty Python, you can go optic.
You remove the rear sight, the optic plate is held
in by word, the adjustment screw would be on your
rear site and the front sight pin. You're off to
the races. It's nice and low and you can sweat
back and forth if you want. But it's somebody you know,
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so much of us when we see auto orders, Oh,
I wish I had bought a optic ready when now
I got to send a halb with have machine. Will
know I shot a lot of the different guns. I
tell you what it's neat shooting a revolver with a dot.
Speaker 5 (04:33):
It's different, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
It's very different when you're used to iron sights to
shoot a dot. But if you if you get used
to it, it is fast for aging eyes. It's a
great thing. I don't have to worry about prescription glasses.
I not go that to the affinity.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Well, I here's a thought then, to bounce this off
of you. You put a dot on your revolver and
a lot of people I mean, and you know, you've
taught a gazillion people to shoot trouble with the double
action pull on a revolver. A little heavier, pull a
little longer, pull harder, shoot it accurately. Let's go dry
fire with a dot and keep the dot on the
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target and work on that double action trigger pull.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
Yeah, I remember the old days. We used to put
like a penny or something on top.
Speaker 5 (05:18):
Of the gun. Yes, yes, it work.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
You don't need to do that now. You just put
the target down range. And you know, I like to
tell people it's really not a trigger pull like Thomas
more of a rolling motion.
Speaker 5 (05:29):
It's good to trigger.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Out describe that because I've called it a sweep. It's
like once you get started to sweep it all the
way back, now you're you're saying a rolling motion.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
Yeah, I told people this. Sometimes they think it's pretty neat.
It's when I have my lemon wedge in my hand
and I'm gonna squeeze into my iced tea. If I
mash it, the juice goes all over. You need that
if you want to call sweep.
Speaker 5 (05:53):
A rolling motion.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
Nice even press all the way through all that lemon
just goes in your ice tea.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
It doesn't spray all over.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
That's about the way you have to shoot a revolver
that nice constant pressure rolling on back through the truck.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
And don't hesitate and try to time that last part right.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
Well, no, just let it come right on back. It's
almost a surprise break. That's the best way to describe it.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Once you get the feel that you go, oh okay,
you know, but you know it cours to me work.
A lot of that is based on trust. You've got
to develop a trust that this works.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
Yes, But to dot, like you were saying, dry fire
is going to give you that confidence and then go
to steal where now you're get into ringing afterwards. Then
that's when your confidence goes sky high. And like you said,
it's almost like when it starts working, it's like, oh,
the light bulb comes on.
Speaker 5 (06:44):
Yeah, oh all right.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
I want to switch back, just so people didn't miss
the twenty two. We're talking a ten shot twenty two.
And of course you and I are both fans of
the three inch barrel revolver. I just I think that's
one of the best packages available. And you say it's
got adjustable.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
Yes, we left the adjustable rear site the target sites
from the king Cobra four inch, so it has that
same rib you know, heavy three inch barrel machine barrel.
It's I do. I probably think the balance on a
three inch is much better than a two inch, and
you're really not. Let's face it, if I'm carrying concealed
or I want to put them at a backpack or anything,
that one inch doesn't make that big of a difference
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doing that, But that one inch for target radius makes
a huge difference.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
I agree. I think they're much easier to shoot. I mean, honestly,
with a good three inch revolver. I feel completely comfortable
shooting fifty yards with most of those.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
Yeah, well, how many of us have Model ten three
inch six eighty six three inch and we'll do that.
We'll go on a woll shoot steel fifty yards, no.
Speaker 5 (07:44):
Problem, Oh yeah, or maybe even a Python Python.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
Yeah, we had the three the three I think the
three inch Python looked so much better than two inch too.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Oh yes, all right now, because I'm schizophrenic, let's jomp
back to the semiautos.
Speaker 5 (08:02):
Let's talk about those. Okay.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
Well, of course the rage is carry optics or a
red dot on your gun. And this year NRA we
released our nineteen eleven carry optic version. The first one
that we're basing on is, of course, our competition model.
It's a seventy series gun that comes with a cover
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plate with fixed site on the rear with your fiber
optic front site. Those are already on distribution. They are
going out to dealers stores right now September all the place.
There will be three plates like everybody else, to cover
eighty percent of all the optics that are out there today,
so you can put out whichever flavor you want. When
people have slides machine for dots, especially on nineteen eleven.
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That barrel is on a one degree downward slant when
it's locked up in a nineteen eleven, so we made sure,
of course that the machine to slide to mirror that.
So now you've got adjustment up and down on your dot.
A lot of times if they don't do that, you
can get to the to assert to the high level
and you're right there. It's cited in, but you can't
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go any higher in.
Speaker 5 (09:11):
Okay, she use machine that in from the start because
you knew that's what we needed.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
Underneath the screw holes for the mounting screws for the optic,
we may oblong holes pockets in the slide, so if
the screws are a little longer that come with your optic,
they don't bottom out on the slide. And a lot
of people have that problem. Oh it's torque, but it's
not tight to the optic. This way to go down,
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you're not taking them out, filing them and putting them
back down. We try to make it so when the
person goes to do it, it's real simple to do.
Speaker 5 (09:43):
Now. Is this available in forty five and nine at
this point? Yes?
Speaker 4 (09:47):
Yes, And you know for a plug this year USPSA
in limited ten. You can run a limited ten with
an optic on it. Now, so you can run your
forty five with a ten round mat I can shoot ma,
sure a limited ten it okay, excellent, Yeah, that's and
of course you know, when we design these plates for
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the future, they are compatible with our eighty series guns.
So you know, say two to what else we're going
to be coming.
Speaker 5 (10:15):
Out with, think you something there?
Speaker 4 (10:18):
Well, I want to make sure because even if somebody
wants to have their gun done this way, this eighty series,
it will work more than you wanted to take out
a safety future of your gun.
Speaker 5 (10:28):
Right, No, exactly right.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
So obviously you know, as they say, reports of Colt's
death are greatly exaggerated. Colts are doing a lot of
stuff and creaking out some new product.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
Now, yes, we are where we have, you know, a
team that works in product development. I'm happy to say
that that I have a lot of input from my
shooting experience, which helps, and with me doing a lot
of the testing, it helps because I can come back
and say, well, we've got a hotspot here. In the hotspot,
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of course, is something that will rub your hand or
something and cause it pain. You don't want that when
you're shooting a gun. So we'll make sure that the
guns feel good in everybody's hand.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Things like that.
Speaker 5 (11:09):
So you got a heck of a team of pro
shooters too.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
Yes, we do. You know whyatt whenever I want to
ask something about a rifle, I asked why Gibson. He
can shoot a rifle like you can't believe. And of
course to Williams sisters, they just came back from the
World PCC. Justine was high overall. Woman Jay least I
think was fourth, But I mean they just did outstanding
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with our nine millimeter pccs and when they put a
one of our nineteen millimeters nineteen elevens in their hand,
it's wow.
Speaker 5 (11:43):
It's a pleasure to watch.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
The gun, watch them run those guys, it really is well,
Mark Redle, I appreciate your time. Where do we send
people where they want to go? Take a look at
these new ones where it's the best place online to go?
Cult dot com, Yeah, pret dot com. And you know,
we got some new stuff, and I know that there's
some things we can't talk about yet, both in terms
of product.
Speaker 5 (12:04):
And ooh, can I hint events coming up?
Speaker 4 (12:08):
You got a coup couple events coming up.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Yep, yep, yep, yep. We'll be having more about that
as we go along here. I sure appreciate your time,
and I appreciate your friendship.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
Man, No problem, nice, have a good daytime all right?
Speaker 5 (12:20):
You take care right, don't go far. Gun talk over,
You're right back.
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Howdy yell, this is aw R Hawkins and Bridbart News
and I just want to congratulate Tom on hitting thirty
years on air. Gun Talk has proven to be a
phenomenal source for Second Amendment education, and here's hoping that
Tom continues to educate us for years to come.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
Well, I appreciate that. I'm just glad to be here,
and Dad that you're here as well. You know what,
you already give me a call.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Let's talk about well, the guns that you have, or
maybe a gun you're thinking about buying. If you've got
a question or comment, or you just think gun people
are just crazy, that's okay, I'll give you the floor.
It's fine, Tom Talk Gun. That's the number. Tom Talk Gun.
Pretty much open lines. As long as we keep it civil,
we can have a great civil conversation. So I am
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getting my hunting rifles ready for the season. I'm already
thinking about fall. It'll be here before you know it,
and if you're not, you need to work on that.
One of the things I have come to believe is
that a lot of hunters spend a lot of time
or some time at least shooting off the bench. They
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get their rifle sighted in, and then they shoot off
of a shooting bench, and maybe it's all you can
do at the range where you go. I get that,
but you got to find a way to practice practice
the way that you would be shooting when you're hunting.
That is, you may be shooting off hand, standing up,
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you may be shooting from a sitting position. You may
be shooting from a prone position laying down. If you
have a practice doing that, it's going to feel awkward
and uncomfortable and maybe unsteady. But there's another factor here
that I think people don't give enough importance, and that
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is it's going to be slower than.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
It needs to be.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
A lot of people I know, if they don't shoot,
get off the bench and practice, they're just incredibly slow, Like, Okay,
there's a deer, shoot it. It takes them forever to
get the rifle off the shoulder, get the scope covers off,
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get the sling on your arm if you're going to
use that, find the animal and the scope. Oh, you've
left the scope on the maximum magnification instead of leaving
it on the lowest magnification, which should always be the case.
And now it's like, where's the deer. Oh he left
a minute ago while you were trying to get ready,
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or you're just taking sodar and long. By the time
you get on the animal, you're nervous. By practicing getting
the rifle off your shoulder and to your you know,
off your shoulder with a sling, and then up to
your shoulder where you can shoot, and then looking through
the scope and oh yeah, this allows me to introduce
the idea of acceptable radical movement.
Speaker 5 (17:40):
The radical is your cross hair.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
And if the radical, if the crosshairs are wobbling so
much that they won't stay on the target area, you
have no business pulling the trigger. You've got to find
a way to get either spore steady or get closer
to where the crosshairs don't wobble off of the deer
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or the elk or whatever is you're shooting. Well, how
do you do that? Well, sit down, get into a
good steady sitting position, or use a shooting tripod. A
lot of people use those these days, a bog pod
type tripod, or lay down prone. If you have a backpack,
throw it down and rest the rifle on the backpack
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and lay down prone and shoot that way. You got
to find a way to get steady. I was just
reading something about this and somebody made a point. I
thought it was really good. He said, look the shots
you're about to take. If I ask you what is
the percentage that you think you'd be able to make
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that shot? Have said all conditions are perfect right now
from where you are and at that distance, what percentage
of shot do you think will hit? And if you say, well,
out eighty percent, you have no business pulling the trigger.
If it's not one hundred percent, then you got to
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change something realistically, ethically, maybe even morally. I think you
owe something to this animal that you're trying to shoot.
And what you owe it is a good clean shot
that won't wound it. They won't send it off hobbling along,
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won't send it off, gutshot where you may or may
not recover it.
Speaker 5 (19:34):
And the way you do.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
That is you say, I know without a doubt that
I can make this shot. Well, there are a lot
of different ways to get there, but primary is practice.
And you may say, oh, I don't want to go
shoot my magnum that much, Okay, fine, I get that.
Nobody wants to go shoot a three hundred magnum a lot.
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Do you have a twenty two? Do you have an
air gun? Do you have a smaller center fire rifle?
Practice with those you get the same training out of
those work. The rifle gets you twenty two that mimics
the rifle that you carry and go out and shoot it.
It's cheaper, there's no recoil, the noise is low, and
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you can practice working from a standing position, from a
sitting position, from a prone position, leaning up against the tree, whatever,
find a way to get in reps. I will guarantee
you this. You will see improvement in minutes. I know
that sounds crazy. If you go out and do a
little practice, you will find that within ten or fifteen
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minutes you're shooting better. You're focusing, you're working on your
trigger press, you're working on everything. It just flat gets better.
You get more accurate, you become more effective. You know
what else happens. You have a lot of fun because
you're shooting. So the other day when I was out shooting,
I was practicing shooting from a sitting position. I didn't
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flop down prone because our situation wasn't such that I
could do that. But it's really a good idea to
do that as well, because if you've not shot from
a prone position, you may find it's a little difficult
to get everything situated. Time is your enemy. You need
to get into a position and get on the animal
to where you can get your finger on the trigger
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and start pressing. And I would say put yourself on
a time, or have a buddy out there say okay,
make it as though you're walking along. You got the
rifle over your shoulder. There's the deer. Okay, obviously you
got to target out there at whatever distance fifty yards,
one hundred yards, start the timer, use the time on
your phone, and just see how long does it take
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you to get into a position where you can hit.
If you can't hit it, if you're missing, you got
to change something. You got to get into a better position.
Speaker 5 (21:51):
Work on that.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
I mean, I don't know what the number should be,
but ten seconds is a long time.
Speaker 5 (21:57):
You got to be able to get into a position
and be able to shoot.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
And it calling it an eight to ten inch target
at one hundred yards inside of ten seconds. It's worth practicing.
If you are an ethical, serious hunter. That out to
be part of your work up as you're getting ready
for the hunting.
Speaker 5 (22:14):
Seat what they use.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
All right, while we're trying to get a next guest, look,
get Tom in here online four out of Fargo, North Dakota.
Hey Tom, you're on gun Talk.
Speaker 10 (22:30):
Yeah, real quick. So I've never really When my dad
sort of taught me how to shoot, it was practice
on what you're going to be shooting at, bear, deer, squirrels,
whatever it is. I've never gone to a gun range.
I've never really known what they're for. I mean, we'd
set up some practice targets out in the field and
he'd have me do proner sitting and standing right. He
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was he was a World War two vet with an
A one rating I mean or whatever that is in
World War two and he was in the jungles of
the Pacific. So, I mean he never said about going
to a gun range or anything. But then I'm also
in my sixties.
Speaker 5 (23:09):
So he gave you practical experience.
Speaker 10 (23:14):
I'm sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 5 (23:15):
Sir, So he gave you practical experience.
Speaker 10 (23:18):
Yeah, exactly. So I've never sat at a bench. I've
never I've never gone to a gun range. I mean,
I mean, no, what what there really for?
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Well, when when you're when when you're siding in your rifle,
you got to be on the bench to side in
your rifle.
Speaker 5 (23:35):
Why how are you going to side in your rifle otherwise?
Talk to me?
Speaker 10 (23:41):
Well, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
See this is they've already.
Speaker 10 (23:43):
Been sighted in. All my guns are they've been I've
inherited them.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Uh okay, yeah, we need some work here because guns
don't stay sighted in. Uh, they can be off. You've
got and the only way to know if your gun
is I had it in is to shoot it off
of a very steady rest, typically sandbags on a bench,
so there's no movement. Otherwise you don't know if the
reason it's off is because you, or the scope or
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or something else. So it's got to be on a
steady rest of some sort. So generally it's a shooting
bench with sandbags.
Speaker 10 (24:19):
Oh, I didn't know that, so I view I've just
used iron sights because where we used to do it,
sculpes weren't real practical.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Okay, all right, if you used iron sights, and it's
probably not an issue. But if you're working with a scope,
you have to be sued off of a bench to
get it sided in, to get the scope adjusted.
Speaker 10 (24:36):
Oh see, I didn't know that. I really didn't. I
really didn't know that, sir, I really didn't know that.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Yeah, so that's that's why we're shooting off a bench. Also,
if you want to shoot something at a thousand yards,
which a lot of people are doing. Now they're hitting
steal targets. You got to be shooting.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
Off a bench, gotcha?
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Gotcha?
Speaker 10 (24:53):
Okay, well that's why I listen to your show. I
learned something new all the time.
Speaker 5 (24:58):
Thank you, thanks time.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
I appreciate the call, sir. All right, let's go grab
our buddy, Rob Morrise. He just sent me an email.
I said, Hey, we got to give him a call.
Speaker 5 (25:06):
Let's talk. Hey Rob, how are you doing? Man?
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Tom? I learned something every day. There are people that
don't know what arrange is for.
Speaker 5 (25:13):
That's fascinating exactly. Okay, are you pulling my leg? And
it turns out no, he's not.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
Okay, we come from a thousand backgrounds. You and I
both know Ed Monk, we both respect him. A decade ago,
Ed Monk got out of the military, started being a
school teacher, and Hi, I'm the new guy. How do
things work here? And they say, by the way, if
there's an emergency, put all your kids in the corner,
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lock the door, and pray. At Monk's military and he goes,
I'm sorry.
Speaker 10 (25:48):
Say what, say what?
Speaker 5 (25:49):
That doesn't work?
Speaker 3 (25:51):
And now, to his credit, he goes, I am the
new guy. Let me pay attention. Maybe if I stand
on my head, tilt sideway, look at it from a
certain perspective, this makes sense. Well, it does. If you're
afraid of being blamed by your school board, if you're
afraid of being blamed by your insurance company because you
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have arm staff at.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
School, well what you're saying is if you're afraid of
being held responsible.
Speaker 5 (26:19):
Let me back up.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Rob Morris writes a fascinating website called Slow Facts, and
you can look for Rob Morrise Slow Facts.
Speaker 5 (26:28):
And you just did this book review on the first thirty.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Seconds, which is the name of the book by Ed Munk,
And basically Ed goes around the country and talks to
churches and schools, sometimes police departments, and he's teaching them
about how to handle school shootings or mass shootings. So
all right, so that's our baseline that we're talking about.
So go ahead, pick us up and continue your book review, please.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
Well. Ed does a great job laying out the history,
and it's sadly a history of failure. How come we
had Valdi last year? We've what it's been what two
decades since the attack at Sandy Hook? We we should
know way way better. And why are we ignoring it.
Speaker 5 (27:15):
And keep doing the same thing expecting things to change.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
Right, we'll call police and the problem will go away. Well,
let's let's play that game a little bit. Well, SWAT
is better than police, right, And the school administrative goes, yeah, well, gosh,
we've got a National Guard unit in town that's even
better than SWAP. And you go, any solution that takes
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you days in case of National Guard, or hours in
case of SWAT, or minutes in case of your local
cop is going to fail.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Right, because it's all it is progressing. It is the
stopwatch of death. As the stopwatch clicking clicking, clicking, people
are dying, dying, dying, and you must deal with us
the immediately, and the way to do that is to
have one of the people who is on location at
the time it happens stop it exactly.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
Yes, But the thing that I find fun fun I've
been thinking about this problem too. Ed's done a wonderful
job collecting all the evidence. You know, he's going, please
show me that there's a pony and all this ugly,
ugly information that makes it look good, and there really isn't.
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And now he's going, Okay, we got to do better guys.
You know when he went to police departments, before, guys
would say no, no, we should wait for SWAT. And
now he's saying, guys, even if you're the SRO, you
might not be there in time. If it's a big
campus and you don't hear the gunshot, it's going to
be three minutes till you get a phone call from
just telling you where to go if we're not within
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earshot of the first gunspire.
Speaker 5 (28:58):
Well, as you.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
READIA, as you read the book, how is I mean?
People can take this class. If they are interested in this,
then just look up ed Monk and what he does.
What is the reception he's getting to his message of
you must have armed people on location to protect the children.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
This is an issue where sometimes he's talking to the
choir and they go, yeah, this isn't pretty, but yeah,
you know, just a church usher, just a janitor. Yeah,
I see people every day. I relate to those people
and the how how do I do that? Got it?
Ed made some comments in his book that he talks
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about the first thirty seconds. I'm going to distract us
for that. How do we get to that first thirty seconds?
And I think for a lot of the pastors in particular,
it's hard to look at people who have no passion
for others. They haven't they haven't seen people want to
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kill them. Guys in the military have, and I think
malevolence makes us feel so vulnerable they can't even look
at that problem. That's awesome. You're a compassionate pastor, hand
it off. You're a school educator. You work with empathy
and sympathy all day long. You've had coaches, you've had trainers.
They pull you forward. But there's some problems that are
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just not solved with more sympathy and empathy.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Look, sometimes violence is the answer, and sometimes sometimes violence
is the only answer. And the only question is, Okay,
we're going to solve this with violence now. The only
question is are we going to pick up the phone
and call somebody to bring violence here to end this?
Are we going to apply violence here and stop this
before more people get killed? That really is the only question.
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Are you going to wait a while and let more
people die? Are you going to deal with immediately and
let fewer people die? That's the only question to answer.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
What's fascinating is we're dealing with a murderer who finds
violence to be the perfect answer to get his name
into the newspaper.
Speaker 5 (31:09):
Right, he'll be.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
Known around the world by tomorrow morning. He'll probably die
doing it.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
And wanting the BodyCount to be as high as possible
because that's how you get famous. So therefore, a person
who is trained, who is on site and Ed does this,
and I would just encourage people to take a look
at this. The name of the book is the first
thirty seconds by Ed Monk. But Rob tell them how
to find out what you're doing because what you write
is fascinating.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Well, and you can get the links to Ed's book off.
I don't get a cut. It's just it touches me
so much. I think you should find it. Go to
slowfax dot WordPress dot com. I've been writing for a decade,
so slow Fact with you.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Tom all right, slowfactx dot WordPress dot com.
Speaker 5 (31:53):
You can find it there.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (31:56):
I tell you what, I really appreciate what.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
You're doing and bring this up. I appreciate the the
email you just sent me about this because it's an
important thing. And look, if you go to church, if
you've got kids in school, or you care about this,
y'all will know more about this thing. Thank you, so much,
Rob Morris, I appreciate that we're gonna take a quick
break here. When would come back, we'll have your thoughts.
If you've got a thought about the idea of armed
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Speaker 5 (32:22):
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It depends on where you are, of course, and if
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in those And in.
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A lot of states you may not know this.
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no gun sign. I consider those requests not instructions, and
the request is for me to agree to or to reject,
and I almost always reject them because the reason I'm
carrying the gun is for my own protection and the
protection of my family. Why would I let somebody rob
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that is in fact action of all, they could call
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you can find I'll leave right now and just leave
the premises. It's a mindset thing. And yeah, I know
you can say, well they have private property rights. Yeah okay,
And when they conflict with me being able to keep
myself alive, I know now we're not going to do that.
(36:54):
And if it's a place where you say, but you
can't carry there because they have metal detectors, well then
you get to decide whether you actually want to go
in there or not. And some places are in fact
prohibited by law. I mean police states generally speaking, police stations, courthouses,
pretty much most federal buildings. But you got to check
on that as well. I don't And I'm curious if
(37:17):
you carry, how do you handle that?
Speaker 5 (37:22):
Does it?
Speaker 2 (37:23):
And I think there's an education process and evolution where
you change your viewpoints on things like that. At first
you were oh, I can't carry you there. Then after
a while, whatever that wild is, it might be months,
it might be years. You just look at them, go yeah, no,
I don't see the sign. I don't care about the sign.
(37:44):
I'm not worried about the sign. I'm going to go
shop there and then I'll do my business there and
then I'll leave and no one will be the wiser.
But if something does happen, then I'm going to be
able to protect myself. And the other part of it
is protecting myself does necessarily mean shooting, doesn't necessarily mean
(38:05):
pulling your gun. This is where training comes in escaping.
That's the goal is to not get into a gunfight
and not get shot. If you can achieve those by
going out the back door or going through the service entrance,
or going through the kitchen in a restaurant or whatever.
Don't go out the front door. A lot of times
(38:25):
the setup is could be if somebody goes in and
fire some shots inside, drives everybody out the front door
where somebody is waiting to shoot them. I think that's
probably going to be happening. We will see that in
the future in terrorist attacks here in this country. Just
(38:46):
don't want to spook you, don't want to bum you out,
but just got to be aware of real events and
real things are going on. Having thought about it, you
will have a plan. If you choose not to think
about it, you're choosing not to have a plan.
Speaker 5 (38:59):
And you're che us frankly to be a vicar. Oh,
stuff happens.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
You know, the G T thirty rifle, the Scott rifle
that we put together with Ruger. Great rifle by the way,
Jim just mentioned. He says, man, he says, nothing's got
a good trigger. You finally got out and shot he
has this week. And yeah, it is real good trigger
out of the box. And it's adjustable too. And the
things happen category that you don't anticipate. There's a reason
(39:37):
you don't have your rifle yet. You'll be getting it shortly.
They came in at Duries. They got ready to the
process in the orders to get ready to ship the boxes.
The guns came in from Ruger won't fit in the
shipping boxes. The Duries got to send them out. He
(39:57):
had to order another batch of shipping boxes for the rifles.
So there's a few extra days built in there. So
they either we're going out late this week or first
part of next week because of a shipping box issue.
Speaker 5 (40:16):
Well, just stuff happens. There you go.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
It is a lovely rifle, by the way, and sales
are picking up.
Speaker 5 (40:24):
They're really going to pick up this week.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
Something's going to be happening this week, so if you
have thought about getting one, you might.
Speaker 5 (40:31):
Want to jump on board.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
You can go to guntalkscout dot com and take a
look at what I'm talking about. It's a cool concept,
and you can get it in three oh eight or
five five six, which obviously the five five six will
shoot two to three as well. Seven ninety nine is
the price, and then you can get packages, which I
frankly have been a bit surprised that a lot more
(40:55):
people than I thought are buying them with the scope
already mounted, and then more people and I thought, are
getting them already sided in. I mean juries take them
to the range and sites them in so when you
get it, it sited in and you get the AMO that
it sided in with. I mean it's an additional cost
for all of that, so it goes beyond the eight
hundred dollars, but people are buying that as well. I
think it's like twenty twenty five percent are getting the
(41:17):
additional package on that. It's that all convenience deal, right,
It's time versus money. Pay somebody to mount the scope
and bore sight it for me, or even site it in.
So whatever I mean it's your deal, however you want
to do it. But it's a real nice rifle, and
I would suggest that take a look at. It's part
of our thirty year celebration anniversary thirty years on the
(41:38):
air for Gun Talk.
Speaker 5 (41:40):
I mentioned that when we.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
First got started, it was really interesting when we were
contacting radio stations. The conversations were and way kind of funny.
I mean I had people say, well, and we had
like a two hour show when we started out, how
could you possibly talk about guns for two hours?
Speaker 5 (41:57):
And they go, well, some of us.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
Talk about guns all day long, you know, more a
lot more than two hours. I don't think it's gonna
be a problem. And then we had the sometimes they
would say it. I think sometimes they wouldn't say it,
but they were thinking it when they would say, well,
you know, we don't we don't run shows like that.
Speaker 5 (42:18):
Well, what do you mean like that? And they had
never heard the show.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
They thought, well, guns, you guys got to be like
what advocating violence and overthrow the government and broadcasting from
your bunker?
Speaker 5 (42:30):
Well not quite, not exactly.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
If you heard of the Olympics shooting is one of
the biggest events in the Olympics. They have a whole
bunch of different separate competitions for shooting there and a
time Summer Olympics. In the Winter Olympics, you have only
the biathlon, which is cool and I could never do that.
Speaker 5 (42:47):
Of course.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
Imagine running cross country and then stopping and threading a needle.
That's kind of what biathlon is. Ski like crazy. Then
you stop and you have to shoot a twenty or
rife it little bitty targets and control your heart rate.
So it's I love watching. It's kind of crazy fun.
Wish we had more coverage of the Summer Olympics, of
(43:10):
shooting in the Summer Olympics, but typically in the US
we don't get a lot of that. Hey, if you
want to join me for the after show, give me
a call right now eight sixty six Talk Gun or
Tom Talk Gun. In the meantime, I would suggest this,
get to the range, shoot more right now. Ammal prices
are pretty low and ammal is available, kind of suggest
that you ought to be buying some because that's probably
(43:32):
going to change at some point. I've been right about
this before, I'm right about it now as well. Get
to the range, have the fun, be safe, watch that muscle,
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