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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to KFI AM six forty. The bill handles
show on demand on the iheartradiop Now, of course you've
been hearing and dealing with if you've been there with
these demonstrations against Israel going on throughout the country, and
a lot of them here in southern California.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
One of the big ones was.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
At UCLA, and so lawsuits have been filed and they're
on either side these demonstrations, primarily anti Israel pro Palestinian demonstrations,
with some anti Palestinians pro Israel demonstrations to a lesser
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degree in fewer people, and some of them have gotten
pretty vicious, one particularly at UCLA, and so a local
Jewish man has filed a lawsuit against two groups that
led demonstration demonstrations across or outside of an LA synagogue
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that ended up in violence, and that was all kinds
of national condemnation against the demonstrator, including President Biden and
LA Mayor Karen Boss. The lawsuit was filed against Code Pink,
it's a feminist anti war organization, and at the same
time against the Palestinian Youth Movements, a grass roots group
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that oppose Zionism and are calling for a ceasefire in
Gaza like right now. Now, people were injured at that demonstration.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
So here is a local Jewish man.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
And he said he was trying to walk into his
synagogue and he was stopped and he was injured. So
the lawsuit is about these two groups and anti Semitism,
that it was spurred by anti Semitism, which by the way,
then becomes then it becomes a hate crime. Now here's
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what the two group hoops are saying. This has nothing
to do with you being Jewish.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Mister plaintiff.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
This has to do with Zionism, and we are simply
demonstrating against the state of Israel. We're not anti Semitic,
We're just anti Israel, which by the way is generally
a croc but that's besides the point because it's usually
conflated anyway. But this is a legal issue and it
has to be very specific. And so the argument is, oh, no,
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you're a bunch of anti Semites. That's all, is what
the two what these groups are. And they're saying no, no,
And here's our proof. Because there was a real estate
agent a real estate event at the synagogue, and there
was an advertisement for that event in the Jewish journal
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and said that there would be an event, a seminar
on quote housing projects in all the better Anglo neighborhoods
in Israel. We're gonna show you where you can move
to Israel and get into great neighborhoods.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
They're saying, where's the anti Semitism?
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Where are we anti Semitic when we're just demonstrating against Israel. Also,
it included religious education and opportunities for members of.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
The la Jewish.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Community to make aliah alia is the ability for any
Jew in the world to go to Israel and become
a citizen of Israel walking in the door. Keep in mind,
Israel was created out of the ashes of the Holocaust,
and for over three thousand years Jews never had a country.
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There was the diaspora, where Jews are all over the world.
Twice in the history of Israel has there been a
Jewish once when King David, the Kingdom of King David
existed and twy and the second time it was created
on April fifteenth, nineteen forty eight.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
And so one of the concepts of the modern state
of Israel was any Jew anywhere in the world can
come to this country and you are a citizen of
this country if you intend on.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Living here, and then there are all kinds of rules, etc.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
And so what these pro Palestinian groups are saying, That's
what we were demonstrating against, not anti Semitism.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Moving to Israel.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Going in, by the way, a lot of these settlements
are in the West Bank contested territory, so there is
a lot to be said.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Now, I am obviously pro Israel. That's not an issue.
You know where I stand.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
I've family in Israel, I've gone there half a dozen times.
I'm Jewish, I mean you all and down in line.
I am in favor of Israel. However, anti Semitism is
not necessarily or anti Zionism is not necessarily anti Semitism usually.
I mean the two are in many cases inseparable, but
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not here legally. I think that lawsuit is going no place,
absolutely no place. All right, let's go ahead and take
some phone calls. Hello, Gil, welcome, Hi Bill.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Yeah, that I got on Bill. I recently had I
had a trust made up a number of years ago
this law firm, and my wife passed away, and I
eventually got a girlfriend and I put her on my trust.
I have a substantial irah and a pretty good net worth,
and I put her on there for fifty percent of
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my IRA account, which is a big number.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
All right, you put the wait second, you put the
girlfriend on for fifty percent of the IRA.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Correct my will? Oh my okay, and on a trust
and then we basically got married. I don't have any kids,
so I raised up to seventy percent. Well, I went
to an attorney. This attorney did the original one, and
I said, go from fifty cent to seventy percent. And
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I also had my nephew as a co executor. He
moved out of states, so I said, I want to
make him not a co executor, but a contingent executor
in case we both died together or something like that.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
Okay, okay.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
I just got the bill from him, and I'm shaken
as I look at it. And he's built me for
thirteen hours to make these two changes.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Yeah, and yeah, that's what lawyers do. Yeah, I know,
lawyers did. Not How long or complicated is that trust?
Speaker 3 (06:46):
And it charged me seven thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Yeah, that's a lot of money. But let me ask
you this, that's long past long.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
How complicated and lengthy is the trust instrument?
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Itself.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
It's very simple. I have a home and the two
big things I have.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
I have a Okay, how many I'm just curious how
many pages?
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Well, I haven't gotten anything yet. It's just a bill
to do it.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Okay. Well, how about the original trust you have that
in your hand?
Speaker 3 (07:15):
I had to pull the book out, Bill.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Okay, Well, I wish you had had that.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
But okay, if it's a simple trust and he charged
you seven thousand dollars, that's pricey.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
I mean that is that's let me tell you, that's pricey.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
However, to make those two changes in a trust that
he wrote, did you say thirteen thousand dollars he billed
you for?
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Well, no, he's got the bills for seven thousand dollars
for these changes.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Okay, Okay, that's crazy. So Gil, it's real easy.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
This is hey, Bill, all I run is told from
fifty to seventy and change.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Well, I understand, No, I get it. You don't have
to repeat yourself. I understand what you're doing here.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
And so the the what I'm telling you is that
Bill is crazy.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
It's just insane.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
So you tell here's a complicated way of dealing this.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
This with this. You tell him no, you say, not
a chance, and you go take me to.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Court, argue that this is worth seven thousand dollars to
make these two changes in a trust that you wrote,
and somehow that's worth seven thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Explain that one to a judge. That's what you tell him.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Well, I'm just exactly what I was going to do,
but I want to pry it by you to say.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Yeah, no, that's what you do. That's no, that's what
you do.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
I mean, your first thing, your first response is this
is completely crazy.
Speaker 6 (08:36):
It is.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
It is crazy.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
It is And by the way, are you telling me
Hold on a minute, let me ask you this. You're
telling me that original, that original trust. He spent thirteen
thousand dollars.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
I don't remember it, the original because a number of
years ago.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Okay, got it. Yeah, but he sees out of his mind.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Yeah yeah, tell him to go stuff it and I
can't wait.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Let him go in front of a judge. Let him
go in front of a judge and argue that can't
wait for that. This is Handle on the Law.
Speaker 7 (09:05):
You're listening to Bill Handle on demand from kf I
am six forty.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Joanne, Hello, Joanne, Hi Bill, Yes, ma'am, Yes, ma'am.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
Okay, I can't hear you.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Okay, you can't hear me at all.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
Why you're very soft?
Speaker 3 (09:25):
And what happened? I go with my phone.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
Okay, I'm gonna tell you my case.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
You know what.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
We may want to have you call back, because if
you basically can't hear me, I gotta tell you.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
I speak in a very loud voice.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
So something's going on. You want to move a couple
of feet and see if.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
It works better?
Speaker 3 (09:41):
There you go?
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Okay, much better, much better? Okay, all right, Joanne? What
can I do for you?
Speaker 8 (09:46):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (09:46):
I put in a walk in tub, and my old
water heater, which allowed enough hot water for a full tub,
that died, and so in a panic, I searched the
web and I called the first blumber that answer. He
came out, and I don't know if I could give
you his name.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
No, you do not want to give me his name,
because both of us are going to get sued.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
And I don't care if you do, but I care
if I do. So.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
First, all right, first plumber comes out and does what I.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
Said, that my water heater had died, which had had
and he went and he bought me another one, and
he charged me sixteen hundred dollars for the eater and
the installation. Okay, and I probably probably should have gotten estimates,
but I didn't.
Speaker 6 (10:29):
Have a question.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Actually, actually that's not horrible. Okay.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
You no, you didn't get ripped off to the tune
of thousands of dollars. It may have been expensive, but
that's right in line. A lot of plumbers would charge that.
How big a water heater?
Speaker 4 (10:41):
By the way, Well, I guess it's a forty gallon, all.
Speaker 6 (10:45):
Right, I saw it big.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Okay, that's not very big.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
All right. Well that's what my problem is.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
I think my old one might have been sixty.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Ah do you know if it was sixty I don't
know for sure.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Okay, I know, yeah, all right, Well.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
And now this one isn't okay, not enough water for
my full tub?
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
So I called him, and I called him quite a
few times. I actually got him a couple of times.
Now he comes from a different area. I'm in an
ocean side. He listened to Mechilla Miriette. Actually so he said.
He told me that if he was down here, we
had other customers down here. And he when he came
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down here, you would give me a call and come
look at him. Well, that was ages ago. I think
I had to put in in September fifteen, twenty twenty three.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Okay, all right, well you're still within the statue.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Okay, so he's ignoring you basically, bottom line.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Okay, good, all right, what's your question? Your recourse?
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Assumeim in a small claim scort for the sixteen hundred
dollars he put in. You just tell your story. He'll say, oh, no,
it was appropriate. This is why I asked you. Uh,
you had a sixty gallon tear and unfortunately, and by
the way, I'm not saying.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
You did anything wrong, because no one thinks of this.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
I would love for you to have had a picture
of that water heater, because he may very well say
she had a forty gallon.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
I put in a forty gallon. And your argument's going to.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Be, there isn't enough hot water where there was plenty
of hot water before in my regular tub. By the way,
those walk in tub things that you see commercials for
do they take more water than a regular bathtub.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
I'm not sure. I'm actually okay sure.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Oh, by the way, that really doesn't matter. He should
know how much water those take. So that's not a
big deal. I'm just being curious about small claims small
claims court. We'll see what the judge says and give.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
It a shot.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Yeah. I don't know what the hell she was doing,
all right, that was probably my mistake. She probably had
the best question in the world. Okay, Peter, what can
I do for you?
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Yeah? Sure, yeah.
Speaker 8 (13:00):
Bit by a dog and a dog daycare boarding facility.
I worked there but was not on the books. It
was a strange situation. I was doing work for the
owner and.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Yeah, that doesn't matter, that doesn't matter.
Speaker 8 (13:14):
Yeah, okay, so he be the dog baby the first time,
I let it go the dog babe me. Second time
I was working with the big dog area. And this
time the dog bite was pretty bad. The doctors got
it treated, but it's gotten infected to go back again.
I don't know where the negligence goes with the owner
or yeah, let's start.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Let's start with this. Did you or the facility kill
the dog?
Speaker 8 (13:43):
No?
Speaker 6 (13:43):
They didn't.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Oh why not?
Speaker 8 (13:46):
Well, I mean because they're making money off the dog.
This is the part of the day they.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Can make money off of dead dog.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
No, I mean you know, whether you're boarding a live
dog or a dead dog, you're still boarding a dog.
Speaker 8 (13:58):
Ges you're right about that, of course, I'm right. I
did send pictures. I thought that maybe the owner, since
the facility didn't want to do anything about it, I
send pictures to the owners.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Yeah, number Okay, here, okay, here's okay, Peter, assuming the
dog is still alive, which I probably I'd rather have
you say, hey, Bill, I killed the dog.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
You know how much Trump might, But we're not. We're
not going in that direction. Okay.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
So now, yeah, the owner's liable except for the fact
you work there.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
And dogs bite, and that's it. There's something called assumption
of the risk.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Dogs are taken from their home and put in these
little cages or medium sized cages. What they're not used
to that, or with a bunch of strangers. Okay, that's
a big assumption of the risk. Okay, you take your
chances when you work in that kind of facility. That's
not to say there was a negligence involved. It just
really reduces their negligence. It's not like a hundred percent.
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It's not like you're walking down the street and a
dog jumps out of the front of the front door
of the boarding facility and bites you. I mean, that's
pretty negligent. So you've got assumption of the risk in that.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
One, or at least for the motion on the book.
It doesn't matter that you were on the books or not.
It doesn't matter. You're there.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
You're there, you walked in, you did voluntarily. They didn't
kidnap you.
Speaker 8 (15:23):
And and well, what if I because my dog was
What if I was seeing the dog and the dog
put me there? Is that part of the risk as well?
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Am I sorry?
Speaker 8 (15:33):
What I have a dog that was boarding there?
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Yeah, it doesn't matter if you But the point is
you work there, you understood the risk also a lot.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Also, the infection.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Part has nothing to do with them. They're not responsible
for the infection. That's between you and your doctor.
Speaker 8 (15:51):
If I wasn't working there at the time.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Well you would. I wish you weren't working there either.
Speaker 8 (15:57):
No, I mean I wasn't on the job duties there.
I was going to visit my dogars.
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You're listening to Bill handle on demand from KFI AM
six forty.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Handle on the law, Marginal Legal Advice, Beth, Hello Beth, Hi.
Speaker 5 (17:47):
I'm calling this morning because my twenty year old son
had his friend rent a car for him in May
of twenty twenty three, and my son gotten a small accident.
But anyway, his friend ended up completing the rental and
turning in the car and we didn't hear anything about it.
(18:08):
And that was that until recently, about a week ago,
the friend's mother, who I'm friends with, received a notice
in the mail from a third party collection agency asking
for twenty thousand dollars.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Okay, so he got into a s fender bender, right, yes, Okay,
did he take pictures?
Speaker 8 (18:31):
No?
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Ooh, so it's his word that the car wasn't that banged.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Up, correct, Okay, So, and then my mother go ahead.
Speaker 5 (18:44):
But because it has been over a year. That happened
in May of twenty twenty three, and we just got notification.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
On it like that doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
That doesn't matter, it's within the statue. So that one
is gone. Now your son is twenty Yes, twenty year
olds are not allowed to rent cars.
Speaker 5 (19:05):
That's why his friend rented it.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Okay, So effectively they committed fraud on the insurance company.
Your friend or his friend, he rented the car for
the purposes of giving it to someone who's not allowed
to rent the car. By the way, not talking about legally,
we're talking about contractually procedurally with the car rental company.
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So there are all kinds of problems. And by the way,
just to let you know, your son is not responsible.
It is the friend who is responsible. He's the one
that rented the car, not your son. That's for starters.
The other one is was there a toe twenty thousand
dollars for a car?
Speaker 2 (19:45):
What kind of car was it?
Speaker 5 (19:47):
Just like a little Corolla?
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Okay, so a little Corolla twenty thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
They totaled it. They totaled it. And now the.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Question is when they sue for the twenty thousand dollars
and you get it your friend, his friends took it.
Speaker 5 (20:03):
Back, the car was drivable, and the car ends up driven.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Okay, all right, so here's what they're saying this.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Okay, man, here's what the Here's what they're saying you are,
and now it's we're talking about your son's friend. You
are responsible for damage to the car. You signed, you agreed.
Look at the damage you caused.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
No, I didn't.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
It was only a fender bender. Where's the proof that
it was only a fender bender? Here's our proof?
Speaker 2 (20:32):
It's gonna cost twenty thousand.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Dollars to fix it. Where's your proof that it was
only a fender bender? Was someone involved? It was someone
in the other car that was hit.
Speaker 5 (20:43):
No, oh, you mean like, did he hit another car?
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Yeah? Yeah, how the accident happened.
Speaker 5 (20:49):
He was hitting both, so they were both it. He
hit the guy's tired because the car was still okay,
is the.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Other guy still around? Was the other guy they exchanged
information or anything? No? Why not?
Speaker 5 (21:04):
Because my son didn't realize he hit him, so.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
He Okay, So here's you here's what you have.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
You have I got into a fender bender with another driver.
No proof that there was another driver? Number two didn't
take pictures at all. It isn't twenty thousand dollars. Okay, Well,
here's the bid, and I'm assuming they have a picture
of it now based on what you say. Of course,
(21:33):
he got into some other accident or whatever happened, and
they're trying to nail your son's friend. And the other
great thing is because their geniuses, no one took insurance
out on the car, which I always always say to do.
It's a little expensive, but it's not insurance insurance insurance.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
What it is a waiver.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Any damage you do to the car is covered by
that eleven dollars a day or whatever they charge.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
I mean you can walk in with a that's basically
not working.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
I mean literally you bring in one tire and you
go hear the keys, and I bought literally.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
You could do that.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
And so your son or your son's friend and your
son did everything wrong, and there's going to be there's
and they may take a lawsuit because this is what
car companies do. They turn the collections over to always
a third party. Always here you go, you collect on it. So, now,
how old is your son's friend.
Speaker 5 (22:31):
At the time. I think he was twenty four.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Okay, And is he working? Does he have assets?
Speaker 5 (22:38):
He's incarcerated?
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Well, where are they going to go? What is he
incarcerated for? Boy, your son has friends?
Speaker 2 (22:44):
What are they? What's he in jail for?
Speaker 9 (22:46):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (22:46):
My word, I'm telling you, but I can't talk about it.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Okay, Well let's hint around it serious crime?
Speaker 8 (22:58):
No?
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Oh okay, So where are they going to go?
Speaker 1 (23:02):
So okay, So even if they get a judgment, where
are they going to go?
Speaker 9 (23:07):
I worried.
Speaker 5 (23:08):
So I feel bad because then paying them.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Paying then pay it responsible. But if you feel bad,
pay it now. They're not going after their son. I
guarantee you they are not going after your son. There
is no basis for them to go after your son.
Speaker 5 (23:27):
What about negotiating a like instead of twenty thousand, just
offering like three or four?
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Yeah, you can do that.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Okay, I wouldn't do that because they're not going to
talk to you.
Speaker 5 (23:40):
No, but I feel bad if so, if we don't
pay it and they don't pay it, then does it
go on the kids? His friends?
Speaker 3 (23:49):
You know?
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Yeah, I mean it's gonna be a lawsuit, gonna be
a judgment against it. They'll be Yeah, they'll be a
judgment against.
Speaker 5 (23:55):
Him for seven years, ten years.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Uh, well, the judge, no, the judgment stays basically forever
ten years, and they can reaffirm it for another ten years.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
So but there's a lot of defenses to that. I
don't even know if they're going.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
To go forward with it, because, first of all, if
he can't show up in court and he's in prison,
they're not going to go forward. Ret's a letter to
the rets, a letter to the judge saying, I can't
move forward. I don't even know if they can serve
him in prison, got it? And if they can't serve
him there is, they can't move forward. Okay, here's a
(24:32):
takeaway everybody. All Right, we start with if you ever
get into an accident, you immediately take pictures instantly of
everything that happened. If there is someone else in the accident,
you immediately take insurance information and you exchange information.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
All right, that's for starters.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
I believe in buying that waiver which they call insurance,
that waiver where even if it's someone else's fault, the
rental company will tag you and then you can deal
with it later.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
And you have some.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Credit cards in the American Express and certain Visa Master
cards that have that built in. You just want to
check that out with your insurance company. So the lesson
was that everything this.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Kid did was wrong.
Speaker 7 (25:16):
You're listening to Bill Handle on demand from KFI AM
six forty.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
James Welcome. What can I do for you?
Speaker 3 (25:26):
Hi?
Speaker 6 (25:27):
Good morning Bill? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Go ahead?
Speaker 6 (25:30):
Are you there?
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (25:31):
I am I. I. My question is an agreement was
at a lawyer that was done six years ago when
his services were terminated at when he finished to judgment
illegal judgment. I asked the question recently and he offered
(25:52):
to write a letter to my ex. And now he's
charging me thirteen hundred dollars.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
So I'm okay for a letter for a letter? Yes, okay, Yeah,
I think okay.
Speaker 6 (26:03):
I didn't ask. I didn't ask what. I didn't ask
him to write it?
Speaker 9 (26:06):
He offered, all right.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
So with that, what you call him up? And what
did you ask him? So he comes in six years later,
you're talking him six years later about what.
Speaker 6 (26:15):
It had to do with a timeshare. She wouldn't sign
a paper time right, But it was okay.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
It was a single question about the time share, right,
Yes okay. So he says, I'll write a letter to
your ex and then he turns around and charges you
thirteen hundred dollars, And there was no agreement between you
and the lawyer in terms of number one, him writing
the letter number two, what the charge was going to be.
(26:43):
And there's none of that. It was just a verbal
phone call.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Right.
Speaker 6 (26:48):
Yes, he just wrote to me. I just received it
yesterday saying that we had an he had an agreement
in his office that was signed six years ago. So
I'm asking was it in perpetuity?
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Well, I don't know if it's in perpetuity, but I
mean he is entitled to time spent. So now let's
talk about what he actually did. How long were you
on the phone with him?
Speaker 6 (27:15):
I don't know, maybe fifteen minutes, may there's fifteen minutes.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
And then he wrote a letter. So what do you
remember what you paid him six years ago? The one
of the retainer?
Speaker 6 (27:33):
Yeah, it was five thousand initially in the wind?
Speaker 2 (27:35):
No, no, no, what did you pay him an hour?
Speaker 3 (27:36):
Do you?
Speaker 2 (27:37):
I don't care what you paid him retainer? How many
hours he spent?
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Then?
Speaker 2 (27:39):
What do you remember what it was an hour?
Speaker 6 (27:41):
I'm trying to find that right now.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Okay, all right, well let me do this first of all,
for thirteen hundred dollars bill. You tell him, you say,
I'm you can go pound sand I'll see you in court.
If you expect thirteen hundred dollars for one letter, you're
out of your mind.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Okay, sue me, shoe me, just say, sue me.
Speaker 6 (28:03):
He reviewed the judgment and whatever he added on, well,
that's a different story.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
And now if he's saying he reviewed the judgment, so okay,
there's an hour.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
I don't know how complicated. I'll tell you one thing
you're gonna do.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
He's gonna do if he does sue you, he will
manufacture thirteen hundred dollars worth of charges. Lawyers like that
come up with stuff that's complete crap, and you're going
to have to just defend. And you, first of all,
you asked for an itemized bill. First thing you do,
give me an itemized bill. Just don't send me thirteen
(28:37):
hundred dollars of charges.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
I want to know how much time what you did?
Did he send you that?
Speaker 6 (28:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Okay, so what does he say? How much time did
he say he spent on it?
Speaker 6 (28:52):
He said it was over. I'm sorry, sorry, sorry, I.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Don't have a lot of time for you to read this.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
I know.
Speaker 6 (29:02):
Sorry, I'm got it. I've got it right here.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Okay, how much time did he say he spent on it?
Speaker 1 (29:10):
All right, I'm sorry, I can't you know what I
just I don't have time for this. It's you know,
the bottom line. You can't start looking for documents.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Dennis. Hello, Dennis, welcome.
Speaker 9 (29:21):
Yes, Bill, this this is Dennis. I have a question.
I'm getting older now and I've been having health issues,
and I want to put my son on my checking
account as a thing, you know, as a signature, Yeah,
to pay my bills when I have problems. I just
(29:42):
went to where I was in the hospital. He had
to take care of my bills. But I have to
sign all the checks, so I want him to do it.
All right, He is telling me that he is having
some issues coming down the road with the I r S.
All right, Well, the I R S go after me. Now,
I'm on no.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Two things, okay.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Number one, you're handling it right by having him as
a signatory, not as an owner of the checking account.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
If you put you and him as an owner of.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
The checking account, yeah, the I R S can dip in,
but as a signatory, absolutely not. He doesn't known the
account it's not his at all. How much when is
how much?
Speaker 2 (30:24):
When he's in the account? Dennis right now is three
thousand dollars? Oh, I mean that's nothing.
Speaker 9 (30:29):
Okay, I'm on, I'm on assistant living, all right. You know,
I'm a Social Security and all that.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
All right, Okay, you're basically living in a dumpster.
Speaker 9 (30:43):
Senior facility.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Okay, so you're okay, you're in a senior facility dumpster
and you only have the yeah, and you have three
thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
No, you're fine, Dennis.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Just have him as a signatory, as you said, and
you're gonna be fine.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Your hand, you're handling it. Yeah. And by the way,
enjoy your cat food dinner. I'm sure you're going to. Hey,
I want to talk about your breath.
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Speaker 2 (32:21):
This is Handle on the Law. You've been listening to
the Bill handle show.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
Catch my show Monday through Friday, six am to nine
am and anytime on demand on the iHeartRadio app
You're listening to KFI AM six forty. The bill handles
show on demand on the iheartradiop Now, of course you've
been hearing and dealing with if you've been there with
these demonstrations against Israel going on throughout the country, and
a lot of them here in southern California.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
One of the big ones was.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
At UCLA, and so lawsuits have been filed and they're
on either side these demonstrations, primarily anti Israel pro Palestinian demonstrations,
with some anti Palestinians pro Israel demonstrations to a lesser
(00:40):
degree in fewer people, and some of them have gotten
pretty vicious, one particularly at UCLA, and so a local
Jewish man has filed a lawsuit against two groups that
led demonstration demonstrations across or outside of an LA synagogue
(01:00):
that ended up in violence, and that was all kinds
of national condemnation against the demonstrator, including President Biden and
LA Mayor Karen Boss. The lawsuit was filed against Code Pink,
it's a feminist anti war organization, and at the same
time against the Palestinian Youth Movements, a grass roots group
(01:22):
that oppose Zionism and are calling for a ceasefire in
Gaza like right now. Now, people were injured at that demonstration.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
So here is a local Jewish man.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
And he said he was trying to walk into his
synagogue and he was stopped and he was injured. So
the lawsuit is about these two groups and anti Semitism,
that it was spurred by anti Semitism, which by the way,
then becomes then it becomes a hate crime. Now here's
(01:59):
what the two group hoops are saying. This has nothing
to do with you being Jewish.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Mister plaintiff.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
This has to do with Zionism, and we are simply
demonstrating against the state of Israel. We're not anti Semitic,
We're just anti Israel, which by the way is generally
a croc but that's besides the point because it's usually
conflated anyway. But this is a legal issue and it
has to be very specific. And so the argument is, oh, no,
(02:29):
you're a bunch of anti Semites. That's all, is what
the two what these groups are. And they're saying no, no,
And here's our proof. Because there was a real estate
agent a real estate event at the synagogue, and there
was an advertisement for that event in the Jewish journal
(02:52):
and said that there would be an event, a seminar
on quote housing projects in all the better Anglo neighborhoods
in Israel. We're gonna show you where you can move
to Israel and get into great neighborhoods.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
They're saying, where's the anti Semitism?
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Where are we anti Semitic when we're just demonstrating against Israel. Also,
it included religious education and opportunities for members of.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
The la Jewish.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Community to make aliah alia is the ability for any
Jew in the world to go to Israel and become
a citizen of Israel walking in the door. Keep in mind,
Israel was created out of the ashes of the Holocaust,
and for over three thousand years Jews never had a country.
(03:52):
There was the diaspora, where Jews are all over the world.
Twice in the history of Israel has there been a
Jewish once when King David, the Kingdom of King David
existed and twy and the second time it was created
on April fifteenth, nineteen forty eight.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
And so one of the concepts of the modern state
of Israel was any Jew anywhere in the world can
come to this country and you are a citizen of
this country if you intend on.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Living here, and then there are all kinds of rules, etc.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
And so what these pro Palestinian groups are saying, That's
what we were demonstrating against, not anti Semitism.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Moving to Israel.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Going in, by the way, a lot of these settlements
are in the West Bank contested territory, so there is
a lot to be said.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Now, I am obviously pro Israel. That's not an issue.
You know where I stand.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
I've family in Israel, I've gone there half a dozen times.
I'm Jewish, I mean you all and down in line.
I am in favor of Israel. However, anti Semitism is
not necessarily or anti Zionism is not necessarily anti Semitism usually.
I mean the two are in many cases inseparable, but
(05:12):
not here legally. I think that lawsuit is going no place,
absolutely no place. All right, let's go ahead and take
some phone calls. Hello, Gil, welcome, Hi Bill.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Yeah, that I got on Bill. I recently had I
had a trust made up a number of years ago
this law firm, and my wife passed away, and I
eventually got a girlfriend and I put her on my trust.
I have a substantial irah and a pretty good net worth,
and I put her on there for fifty percent of
(05:45):
my IRA account, which is a big number.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
All right, you put the wait second, you put the
girlfriend on for fifty percent of the IRA.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Correct my will? Oh my okay, and on a trust
and then we basically got married. I don't have any kids,
so I raised up to seventy percent. Well, I went
to an attorney. This attorney did the original one, and
I said, go from fifty cent to seventy percent. And
(06:13):
I also had my nephew as a co executor. He
moved out of states, so I said, I want to
make him not a co executor, but a contingent executor
in case we both died together or something like that.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
Okay, okay.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
I just got the bill from him, and I'm shaken
as I look at it. And he's built me for
thirteen hours to make these two changes.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Yeah, and yeah, that's what lawyers do. Yeah, I know,
lawyers did. Not How long or complicated is that trust?
Speaker 3 (06:46):
And it charged me seven thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Yeah, that's a lot of money. But let me ask
you this, that's long past long.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
How complicated and lengthy is the trust instrument?
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Itself.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
It's very simple. I have a home and the two
big things I have.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
I have a Okay, how many I'm just curious how
many pages?
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Well, I haven't gotten anything yet. It's just a bill
to do it.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Okay. Well, how about the original trust you have that
in your hand?
Speaker 3 (07:15):
I had to pull the book out, Bill.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Okay, Well, I wish you had had that.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
But okay, if it's a simple trust and he charged
you seven thousand dollars, that's pricey.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
I mean that is that's let me tell you, that's pricey.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
However, to make those two changes in a trust that
he wrote, did you say thirteen thousand dollars he billed
you for?
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Well, no, he's got the bills for seven thousand dollars
for these changes.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Okay, Okay, that's crazy. So Gil, it's real easy.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
This is hey, Bill, all I run is told from
fifty to seventy and change.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Well, I understand, No, I get it. You don't have
to repeat yourself. I understand what you're doing here.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
And so the the what I'm telling you is that
Bill is crazy.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
It's just insane.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
So you tell here's a complicated way of dealing this.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
This with this. You tell him no, you say, not
a chance, and you go take me to.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Court, argue that this is worth seven thousand dollars to
make these two changes in a trust that you wrote,
and somehow that's worth seven thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Explain that one to a judge. That's what you tell him.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Well, I'm just exactly what I was going to do,
but I want to pry it by you to say.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Yeah, no, that's what you do. That's no, that's what
you do.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
I mean, your first thing, your first response is this
is completely crazy.
Speaker 6 (08:36):
It is.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
It is crazy.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
It is And by the way, are you telling me
Hold on a minute, let me ask you this. You're
telling me that original, that original trust. He spent thirteen
thousand dollars.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
I don't remember it, the original because a number of
years ago.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Okay, got it. Yeah, but he sees out of his mind.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Yeah yeah, tell him to go stuff it and I
can't wait.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Let him go in front of a judge. Let him
go in front of a judge and argue that can't
wait for that. This is Handle on the Law.
Speaker 7 (09:05):
You're listening to Bill Handle on demand from kf I
am six forty.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Joanne, Hello, Joanne, Hi Bill, Yes, ma'am, Yes, ma'am.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
Okay, I can't hear you.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Okay, you can't hear me at all.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
Why you're very soft?
Speaker 3 (09:25):
And what happened? I go with my phone.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
Okay, I'm gonna tell you my case.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
You know what.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
We may want to have you call back, because if
you basically can't hear me, I gotta tell you.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
I speak in a very loud voice.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
So something's going on. You want to move a couple
of feet and see if.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
It works better?
Speaker 3 (09:41):
There you go?
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Okay, much better, much better? Okay, all right, Joanne? What
can I do for you?
Speaker 8 (09:46):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (09:46):
I put in a walk in tub, and my old
water heater, which allowed enough hot water for a full tub,
that died, and so in a panic, I searched the
web and I called the first blumber that answer. He
came out, and I don't know if I could give
you his name.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
No, you do not want to give me his name,
because both of us are going to get sued.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
And I don't care if you do, but I care
if I do. So.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
First, all right, first plumber comes out and does what I.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
Said, that my water heater had died, which had had
and he went and he bought me another one, and
he charged me sixteen hundred dollars for the eater and
the installation. Okay, and I probably probably should have gotten estimates,
but I didn't.
Speaker 6 (10:29):
Have a question.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Actually, actually that's not horrible. Okay.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
You no, you didn't get ripped off to the tune
of thousands of dollars. It may have been expensive, but
that's right in line. A lot of plumbers would charge that.
How big a water heater?
Speaker 4 (10:41):
By the way, Well, I guess it's a forty gallon, all.
Speaker 6 (10:45):
Right, I saw it big.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Okay, that's not very big.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
All right. Well that's what my problem is.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
I think my old one might have been sixty.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Ah do you know if it was sixty I don't
know for sure.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Okay, I know, yeah, all right, Well.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
And now this one isn't okay, not enough water for
my full tub?
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
So I called him, and I called him quite a
few times. I actually got him a couple of times.
Now he comes from a different area. I'm in an
ocean side. He listened to Mechilla Miriette. Actually so he said.
He told me that if he was down here, we
had other customers down here. And he when he came
(11:30):
down here, you would give me a call and come
look at him. Well, that was ages ago. I think
I had to put in in September fifteen, twenty twenty three.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Okay, all right, well you're still within the statue.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Okay, so he's ignoring you basically, bottom line.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Okay, good, all right, what's your question? Your recourse?
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Assumeim in a small claim scort for the sixteen hundred
dollars he put in. You just tell your story. He'll say, oh, no,
it was appropriate. This is why I asked you. Uh,
you had a sixty gallon tear and unfortunately, and by
the way, I'm not saying.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
You did anything wrong, because no one thinks of this.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
I would love for you to have had a picture
of that water heater, because he may very well say
she had a forty gallon.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
I put in a forty gallon. And your argument's going to.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Be, there isn't enough hot water where there was plenty
of hot water before in my regular tub. By the way,
those walk in tub things that you see commercials for
do they take more water than a regular bathtub.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
I'm not sure. I'm actually okay sure.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Oh, by the way, that really doesn't matter. He should
know how much water those take. So that's not a
big deal. I'm just being curious about small claims small
claims court. We'll see what the judge says and give.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
It a shot.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Yeah. I don't know what the hell she was doing,
all right, that was probably my mistake. She probably had
the best question in the world. Okay, Peter, what can
I do for you?
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Yeah? Sure, yeah.
Speaker 8 (13:00):
Bit by a dog and a dog daycare boarding facility.
I worked there but was not on the books. It
was a strange situation. I was doing work for the
owner and.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Yeah, that doesn't matter, that doesn't matter.
Speaker 8 (13:14):
Yeah, okay, so he be the dog baby the first time,
I let it go the dog babe me. Second time
I was working with the big dog area. And this
time the dog bite was pretty bad. The doctors got
it treated, but it's gotten infected to go back again.
I don't know where the negligence goes with the owner
or yeah, let's start.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Let's start with this. Did you or the facility kill
the dog?
Speaker 8 (13:43):
No?
Speaker 6 (13:43):
They didn't.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Oh why not?
Speaker 8 (13:46):
Well, I mean because they're making money off the dog.
This is the part of the day they.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Can make money off of dead dog.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
No, I mean you know, whether you're boarding a live
dog or a dead dog, you're still boarding a dog.
Speaker 8 (13:58):
Ges you're right about that, of course, I'm right. I
did send pictures. I thought that maybe the owner, since
the facility didn't want to do anything about it, I
send pictures to the owners.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Yeah, number Okay, here, okay, here's okay, Peter, assuming the
dog is still alive, which I probably I'd rather have
you say, hey, Bill, I killed the dog.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
You know how much Trump might, But we're not. We're
not going in that direction. Okay.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
So now, yeah, the owner's liable except for the fact
you work there.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
And dogs bite, and that's it. There's something called assumption
of the risk.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Dogs are taken from their home and put in these
little cages or medium sized cages. What they're not used
to that, or with a bunch of strangers. Okay, that's
a big assumption of the risk. Okay, you take your
chances when you work in that kind of facility. That's
not to say there was a negligence involved. It just
really reduces their negligence. It's not like a hundred percent.
(15:00):
It's not like you're walking down the street and a
dog jumps out of the front of the front door
of the boarding facility and bites you. I mean, that's
pretty negligent. So you've got assumption of the risk in that.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
One, or at least for the motion on the book.
It doesn't matter that you were on the books or not.
It doesn't matter. You're there.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
You're there, you walked in, you did voluntarily. They didn't
kidnap you.
Speaker 8 (15:23):
And and well, what if I because my dog was
What if I was seeing the dog and the dog
put me there? Is that part of the risk as well?
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Am I sorry?
Speaker 8 (15:33):
What I have a dog that was boarding there?
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Yeah, it doesn't matter if you But the point is
you work there, you understood the risk also a lot.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Also, the infection.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Part has nothing to do with them. They're not responsible
for the infection. That's between you and your doctor.
Speaker 8 (15:51):
If I wasn't working there at the time.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Well you would. I wish you weren't working there either.
Speaker 8 (15:57):
No, I mean I wasn't on the job duties there.
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Speaker 7 (17:31):
You're listening to Bill handle on demand from KFI AM
six forty.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Handle on the law, Marginal Legal Advice, Beth, Hello Beth, Hi.
Speaker 5 (17:47):
I'm calling this morning because my twenty year old son
had his friend rent a car for him in May
of twenty twenty three, and my son gotten a small accident.
But anyway, his friend ended up completing the rental and
turning in the car and we didn't hear anything about it.
(18:08):
And that was that until recently, about a week ago,
the friend's mother, who I'm friends with, received a notice
in the mail from a third party collection agency asking
for twenty thousand dollars.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Okay, so he got into a s fender bender, right, yes, Okay,
did he take pictures?
Speaker 8 (18:31):
No?
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Ooh, so it's his word that the car wasn't that banged.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Up, correct, Okay, So, and then my mother go ahead.
Speaker 5 (18:44):
But because it has been over a year. That happened
in May of twenty twenty three, and we just got notification.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
On it like that doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
That doesn't matter, it's within the statue. So that one
is gone. Now your son is twenty Yes, twenty year
olds are not allowed to rent cars.
Speaker 5 (19:05):
That's why his friend rented it.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Okay, So effectively they committed fraud on the insurance company.
Your friend or his friend, he rented the car for
the purposes of giving it to someone who's not allowed
to rent the car. By the way, not talking about legally,
we're talking about contractually procedurally with the car rental company.
(19:27):
So there are all kinds of problems. And by the way,
just to let you know, your son is not responsible.
It is the friend who is responsible. He's the one
that rented the car, not your son. That's for starters.
The other one is was there a toe twenty thousand
dollars for a car?
Speaker 2 (19:45):
What kind of car was it?
Speaker 5 (19:47):
Just like a little Corolla?
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Okay, so a little Corolla twenty thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
They totaled it. They totaled it. And now the.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Question is when they sue for the twenty thousand dollars
and you get it your friend, his friends took it.
Speaker 5 (20:03):
Back, the car was drivable, and the car ends up driven.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Okay, all right, so here's what they're saying this.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Okay, man, here's what the Here's what they're saying you are,
and now it's we're talking about your son's friend. You
are responsible for damage to the car. You signed, you agreed.
Look at the damage you caused.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
No, I didn't.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
It was only a fender bender. Where's the proof that
it was only a fender bender? Here's our proof?
Speaker 2 (20:32):
It's gonna cost twenty thousand.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Dollars to fix it. Where's your proof that it was
only a fender bender? Was someone involved? It was someone
in the other car that was hit.
Speaker 5 (20:43):
No, oh, you mean like, did he hit another car?
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Yeah? Yeah, how the accident happened.
Speaker 5 (20:49):
He was hitting both, so they were both it. He
hit the guy's tired because the car was still okay,
is the.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Other guy still around? Was the other guy they exchanged
information or anything? No? Why not?
Speaker 5 (21:04):
Because my son didn't realize he hit him, so.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
He Okay, So here's you here's what you have.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
You have I got into a fender bender with another driver.
No proof that there was another driver? Number two didn't
take pictures at all. It isn't twenty thousand dollars. Okay, Well,
here's the bid, and I'm assuming they have a picture
of it now based on what you say. Of course,
(21:33):
he got into some other accident or whatever happened, and
they're trying to nail your son's friend. And the other
great thing is because their geniuses, no one took insurance
out on the car, which I always always say to do.
It's a little expensive, but it's not insurance insurance insurance.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
What it is a waiver.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Any damage you do to the car is covered by
that eleven dollars a day or whatever they charge.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
I mean you can walk in with a that's basically
not working.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
I mean literally you bring in one tire and you
go hear the keys, and I bought literally.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
You could do that.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
And so your son or your son's friend and your
son did everything wrong, and there's going to be there's
and they may take a lawsuit because this is what
car companies do. They turn the collections over to always
a third party. Always here you go, you collect on it. So, now,
how old is your son's friend.
Speaker 5 (22:31):
At the time. I think he was twenty four.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Okay, And is he working? Does he have assets?
Speaker 5 (22:38):
He's incarcerated?
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Well, where are they going to go? What is he
incarcerated for? Boy, your son has friends?
Speaker 2 (22:44):
What are they? What's he in jail for?
Speaker 9 (22:46):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (22:46):
My word, I'm telling you, but I can't talk about it.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Okay, Well let's hint around it serious crime?
Speaker 8 (22:58):
No?
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Oh okay, So where are they going to go?
Speaker 1 (23:02):
So okay, So even if they get a judgment, where
are they going to go?
Speaker 9 (23:07):
I worried.
Speaker 5 (23:08):
So I feel bad because then paying them.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Paying then pay it responsible. But if you feel bad,
pay it now. They're not going after their son. I
guarantee you they are not going after your son. There
is no basis for them to go after your son.
Speaker 5 (23:27):
What about negotiating a like instead of twenty thousand, just
offering like three or four?
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Yeah, you can do that.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Okay, I wouldn't do that because they're not going to
talk to you.
Speaker 5 (23:40):
No, but I feel bad if so, if we don't
pay it and they don't pay it, then does it
go on the kids? His friends?
Speaker 3 (23:49):
You know?
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Yeah, I mean it's gonna be a lawsuit, gonna be
a judgment against it. They'll be Yeah, they'll be a
judgment against.
Speaker 5 (23:55):
Him for seven years, ten years.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Uh, well, the judge, no, the judgment stays basically forever
ten years, and they can reaffirm it for another ten years.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
So but there's a lot of defenses to that. I
don't even know if they're going.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
To go forward with it, because, first of all, if
he can't show up in court and he's in prison,
they're not going to go forward. Ret's a letter to
the rets, a letter to the judge saying, I can't
move forward. I don't even know if they can serve
him in prison, got it? And if they can't serve
him there is, they can't move forward. Okay, here's a
(24:32):
takeaway everybody. All Right, we start with if you ever
get into an accident, you immediately take pictures instantly of
everything that happened. If there is someone else in the accident,
you immediately take insurance information and you exchange information.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
All right, that's for starters.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
I believe in buying that waiver which they call insurance,
that waiver where even if it's someone else's fault, the
rental company will tag you and then you can deal
with it later.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
And you have some.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Credit cards in the American Express and certain Visa Master
cards that have that built in. You just want to
check that out with your insurance company. So the lesson
was that everything this.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Kid did was wrong.
Speaker 7 (25:16):
You're listening to Bill Handle on demand from KFI AM
six forty.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
James Welcome. What can I do for you?
Speaker 3 (25:26):
Hi?
Speaker 6 (25:27):
Good morning Bill? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Go ahead?
Speaker 6 (25:30):
Are you there?
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (25:31):
I am I. I. My question is an agreement was
at a lawyer that was done six years ago when
his services were terminated at when he finished to judgment
illegal judgment. I asked the question recently and he offered
(25:52):
to write a letter to my ex. And now he's
charging me thirteen hundred dollars.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
So I'm okay for a letter for a letter? Yes, okay, Yeah,
I think okay.
Speaker 6 (26:03):
I didn't ask. I didn't ask what. I didn't ask
him to write it?
Speaker 9 (26:06):
He offered, all right.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
So with that, what you call him up? And what
did you ask him? So he comes in six years later,
you're talking him six years later about what.
Speaker 6 (26:15):
It had to do with a timeshare. She wouldn't sign
a paper time right, But it was okay.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
It was a single question about the time share, right,
Yes okay. So he says, I'll write a letter to
your ex and then he turns around and charges you
thirteen hundred dollars, And there was no agreement between you
and the lawyer in terms of number one, him writing
the letter number two, what the charge was going to be.
(26:43):
And there's none of that. It was just a verbal
phone call.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Right.
Speaker 6 (26:48):
Yes, he just wrote to me. I just received it
yesterday saying that we had an he had an agreement
in his office that was signed six years ago. So
I'm asking was it in perpetuity?
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Well, I don't know if it's in perpetuity, but I
mean he is entitled to time spent. So now let's
talk about what he actually did. How long were you
on the phone with him?
Speaker 6 (27:15):
I don't know, maybe fifteen minutes, may there's fifteen minutes.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
And then he wrote a letter. So what do you
remember what you paid him six years ago? The one
of the retainer?
Speaker 6 (27:33):
Yeah, it was five thousand initially in the wind?
Speaker 2 (27:35):
No, no, no, what did you pay him an hour?
Speaker 3 (27:36):
Do you?
Speaker 2 (27:37):
I don't care what you paid him retainer? How many
hours he spent?
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Then?
Speaker 2 (27:39):
What do you remember what it was an hour?
Speaker 6 (27:41):
I'm trying to find that right now.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Okay, all right, well let me do this first of all,
for thirteen hundred dollars bill. You tell him, you say,
I'm you can go pound sand I'll see you in court.
If you expect thirteen hundred dollars for one letter, you're
out of your mind.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Okay, sue me, shoe me, just say, sue me.
Speaker 6 (28:03):
He reviewed the judgment and whatever he added on, well,
that's a different story.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
And now if he's saying he reviewed the judgment, so okay,
there's an hour.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
I don't know how complicated. I'll tell you one thing
you're gonna do.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
He's gonna do if he does sue you, he will
manufacture thirteen hundred dollars worth of charges. Lawyers like that
come up with stuff that's complete crap, and you're going
to have to just defend. And you, first of all,
you asked for an itemized bill. First thing you do,
give me an itemized bill. Just don't send me thirteen
(28:37):
hundred dollars of charges.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
I want to know how much time what you did?
Did he send you that?
Speaker 6 (28:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Okay, so what does he say? How much time did
he say he spent on it?
Speaker 6 (28:52):
He said it was over. I'm sorry, sorry, sorry, I.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Don't have a lot of time for you to read this.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
I know.
Speaker 6 (29:02):
Sorry, I'm got it. I've got it right here.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Okay, how much time did he say he spent on it?
Speaker 1 (29:10):
All right, I'm sorry, I can't you know what I
just I don't have time for this. It's you know,
the bottom line. You can't start looking for documents.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Dennis. Hello, Dennis, welcome.
Speaker 9 (29:21):
Yes, Bill, this this is Dennis. I have a question.
I'm getting older now and I've been having health issues,
and I want to put my son on my checking
account as a thing, you know, as a signature, Yeah,
to pay my bills when I have problems. I just
(29:42):
went to where I was in the hospital. He had
to take care of my bills. But I have to
sign all the checks, so I want him to do it.
All right, He is telling me that he is having
some issues coming down the road with the I r S.
All right, Well, the I R S go after me. Now,
I'm on no.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Two things, okay.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Number one, you're handling it right by having him as
a signatory, not as an owner of the checking account.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
If you put you and him as an owner of.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
The checking account, yeah, the I R S can dip in,
but as a signatory, absolutely not. He doesn't known the
account it's not his at all. How much when is
how much?
Speaker 2 (30:24):
When he's in the account? Dennis right now is three
thousand dollars? Oh, I mean that's nothing.
Speaker 9 (30:29):
Okay, I'm on, I'm on assistant living, all right. You know,
I'm a Social Security and all that.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
All right, Okay, you're basically living in a dumpster.
Speaker 9 (30:43):
Senior facility.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Okay, so you're okay, you're in a senior facility dumpster
and you only have the yeah, and you have three
thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
No, you're fine, Dennis.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Just have him as a signatory, as you said, and
you're gonna be fine.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Your hand, you're handling it. Yeah. And by the way,
enjoy your cat food dinner. I'm sure you're going to. Hey,
I want to talk about your breath.
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