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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, let's do it. This is handle on the
law marginal legal advice, where I tell you you have
absolutely no case whatsoever. Here's an interesting do they have
a case segment? And that has to do with ownership,

(00:22):
for example, of lottery tickets. Inevitably, someone who purchases a
lottery ticket and with a friend or a family member
and rapsically grabs the ticket. That's the winning ticket. Lawsuit.
That was my ticket. I actually had it. He actually
took it from my hands. That because you're talking big money, well,
that's exactly what happened with a baseball sho hey O Tani,

(00:47):
who is both a picture and a hitter and outfielder
for the Los Angeles Dodgers, probably will go down as
the greatest player in baseball. He's pretty close to that
now and he just started his career anyway. So what
he did is he scored for the first time in
baseball history of fifty to fifty. That is, fifty home

(01:08):
runs fifty runs batted in. That fiftieth home run is
worth real money, and I mean in the hundreds of
thousands of dollars real money. So here comes the ball
and everybody in this little area is reaching for the ball,
and then there is a melee that starts, so one

(01:31):
guy finally comes up with the wall. It's like it
was almost like when the football goes down and everybody
piles on top of each other in the NFL, and
the referees have to sort of dig through this pile
of people who see and see who has the ball.
Much the same thing happened here. And finally at the
end of this melee, someone stands up with the ball. Well,
there was another guy who also happened to be recording this.

(01:56):
There's this cell phone, and he says that he actually
caught the ball, and the fella next to him yanked
it out of his hands or yanked it out of
his hand and therefore stole it from him. And now
he is suing, saying, that's my ball. You took it
from me. Now this is the baseball, right, that's it.

(02:20):
The opening bid so far, by the way, the fellow
had the ball, took him about thirty five seconds to
put it up for auction. It's worth well, the bidding started,
as far as he was concerned, at five hundred thousand dollars.
This ball is going to go for lots and lots
of money because sports memorabilia has gone through the roof.

(02:41):
Sports memorabilia has gone crazy, beyond crazy, all right, So
now what happens, Well, here's what happened with the judge said.
The judge said, let the auction go forward with a
fellow who came up with the ball, but the deal
will not go through, stopping the actual transfer and sale

(03:03):
of the ball pending a hearing where the other fellows
claiming that the ball was yanked from his hand. And
we'll see what happens. Now, this may be possession is
ninety percent of the case, Who the hell knows. But
we'll see how much video is there. We'll see how

(03:23):
clear it is. Will I'm assuming there's video there because
as you can imagine, this is the fiftieth home run
the show, he Otani has batted in, and you know
that there were and people were expecting him at bat.
I can't even imagine how many thousands of cell phones

(03:43):
and the cameras at the stadium had. So we'll see
what happens on this one. And now what happens is
also is whenever a ball is hit like that, Major
League Baseball instantly authenticates it that that's the ball and
so it's easy to now say this is the real thing.
Got'na be fascinating. We'll see what happens with this half

(04:06):
a million dollars to catch a baseball. And he had
crappy seats because in order to catch a baseball or
a home run, you're not sitting third row above the dugout.
All right, let's go ahead and take a phone call
and see what's going on. All right, Thomas, start with you. Hello, Thomas,

(04:26):
welcome to handle on the lock.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
Hi.

Speaker 3 (04:30):
I believe there's a California law that says that if
a service provider, a cable guy or a TV repairman
doesn't show up in a four our time framework, doesn't
show up at all, that you're entitled to a twenty
five dollars credit. But most service providers don't. When they
don't show up, they know nothing about that law, or

(04:50):
they don't give you the money. Is there a way
of getting the money?

Speaker 1 (04:55):
That's a good question to go through a small point, Yeah,
I had I don't know.

Speaker 4 (04:58):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (04:59):
Yeah, No, it's a good question. I don't know specifically
if there's a California law. I do know there is
policy within the phone company that they will not show
up within a four hour window after promising, because they
violated their own policy. To promise and not show up
is just something that they have to do. The other thing,

(05:21):
I think some bill was introduced saying if a window
is given to you and they don't show up, they
then have to buy the house and give it to you.
The answer is, I don't know. I've never heard of
that law. So I get to look it up or
I don't because I really don't care. And on top
of that, I don't know anybody who actually got service

(05:45):
within that four hour window, whether you're having anything delivered,
whether a service person is supposed to come out. Department
of Water and Power, you have a power league, I
think gas company. They come out pretty quickly. So you
know what in the And I don't know the answer
to that. All I know is that just never happens.
And I also know if there's a twenty five dollars

(06:06):
fine credit or they have to pay you twenty five dollars,
these utilities would go broke by tomorrow. Ray. Hello, Ray, Hi,
how you doing?

Speaker 2 (06:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (06:18):
What can I do for you?

Speaker 5 (06:19):
Then I'm calling I'm a real estate agent.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
And we had a sort of a new.

Speaker 5 (06:28):
Bill to a client, and the client moved in transaction closed,
the city went out to do a final inspection. We
send a certificate of occupancy to the city.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
Okay, this is a wastec this is a new, new construct,
new home.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
Yes, okay.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
So they built the home and they went ahead and
sold the home. Escro closed and there was no certificate
of occupancy at the time of the moving. Do I
have that right?

Speaker 5 (07:00):
Well, well, in order for it to close, the lender
was requiring a certificate of occupancy.

Speaker 1 (07:06):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
So the city went to the The city went to
the house after it closed. We gave the.

Speaker 5 (07:13):
Certificate of occupancy and he said it was a forgery.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
He said, this is my name, but this is not
my signature. So now are you.

Speaker 1 (07:23):
Talking about the person who hold on the person who? Uh?
But the I don't quite understand that. It's the certificate
was granted. Who obtained the certificate? The seller or the
buyer who is claiming it's.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
A forgery, the inspector.

Speaker 1 (07:43):
The inspector says it's a forgery.

Speaker 5 (07:45):
Okay, yeah, the seller the certificate, okay, got it?

Speaker 1 (07:50):
Okay, How does how does the city you know it's
a forgery. How does the city know it's a.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
Forgery, he said, he said, this is my name, but.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
Oh got it. So he says, that's my name and
someone signed the certificate. Okay, so what's your question?

Speaker 2 (08:02):
And then they read tag the property. Okay. So now
that the clients have to move out, do we have
an all.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
Right, Well you have to get I'll tell you what
you have to do right now, and I mean right now.
You're going to have to get a lawyer that specializes
in city administrative matters, and there are plenty out there,
sometimes attached to lobbying firms, and you have to unravel
this as quickly as possible and get an inspector out
there and they will expedite it. Are you working with

(08:32):
building and safety on this, yes? Okay? Yeah? Do you
have a lawyer on this? No?

Speaker 5 (08:39):
Not yet.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
Don't do it yourself. Yeah, don't do it yourself. You've
got someone who is experienced dealing with the city, someone
who knows the people in the city, who knows building
and safety, and there are lawyers who do that, because
I think that can be unraveled, especially if the building
was I'd met code and maybe they have to tear

(09:02):
up some walls or whatever and check things. I don't
know whatever building safety has to do. If it meets code,
you'll get your you'll get your certificate of occupancy. The
question is when, And you want to do it as
quickly as you humanly can. Yeah, that's no fun. Hi,
you don't have a code, you don't a certificate of occupancy.
You're moving out?

Speaker 6 (09:23):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (09:23):
Yeah, that one I haven't heard of before. Hello, David,
your turn.

Speaker 6 (09:30):
Hi Bill. Yeah, I have a question about actually trying
to figure out how I can hold Shaff's department accountable.
I had a child that was assaulted and I just
got the footage. I had to go in and I
had to sloyer request it, but I finally got it back.

(09:51):
And as I'm looking at it, I'm just seeing all
these discrepancies and critocols missed in the whole process.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
Okay, what does that mean?

Speaker 7 (09:59):
What?

Speaker 1 (09:59):
What what is showing and what is missing?

Speaker 6 (10:04):
Well, when the deputy showed up, it was a domestic
situation with two children. The one child's brought to my house,
the other one was left in the domestic situation. Second
protocol I believe it was missed is that the DCFS
was not contacted by the sheriff department. I've had absolutely

(10:25):
no support in getting advocacy or crisis intervention. I've had
to go out and get all this stuff on my own. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
All right, let me ask you, when you say that
they violated protocol, do you know what protocol is? Specifically?
I'm assuming there's written protocol that under these circumstances, A
has to be done, B has to be done, C
has to be done. Do you have access or you
do you have that information?

Speaker 6 (10:58):
Well, I was told by the DCSs worker that I
got involved. I was told by other officers that I've
talked to. I've got to Okay, so you've.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
Been told by numerous sources that protocol was violated. Correct.

Speaker 6 (11:15):
Yeah, they're not so much saying that, you know, it
was missed on their behalf, but they're saying that, yeah,
they should have fought.

Speaker 1 (11:24):
Okay, here, okay, here's the problem I was told by
is always a problem. Yeah, because when they questioned the
I was told by, we didn't say that, And then
you say, well, they didn't specifically say that, but what
they did say, So that's problem number one. Problem number
two is if there is any wiggle room on their part,

(11:49):
you're screwed you're completely screwed.

Speaker 8 (11:52):
I know that.

Speaker 6 (11:53):
I know that when they did go out. Now that
I'm watching this video, you know, my son says at
least three or four times, four or five times that
he's well, he was attacked by mother. He's standing outside
of a fifth wheel trailer talking to the son that's
sitting on the couch. Never once looked at his face.
I can obviously see black and blue marks, and so, okay.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
Here's okay. Now we go to problem number three. You
can't force an investigation. You can't. What are you gonna do, Sue?
Where's your kids now? Still with the mother, and you
want a court to return the child to you? I
guess you can go to a.

Speaker 6 (12:30):
Yeah, I got an emergency order of protection a judge.
I brought the boys.

Speaker 1 (12:34):
Okay, so you have the child, right, yes? Okay, So
at this point, had they done everything they should have,
you would have ended up with the child. Correct. Well,
I do have the children, okay, So I mean what,
so what do you want in terms of holding the
Sheriff's department accountable? What do you want to happen?

Speaker 6 (12:57):
Well, I believe the arrest should be made. There hasn't
been made.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
I mean what an arrest should be made against the sheriffs.

Speaker 6 (13:06):
No, the mother and the boyshid ah okay.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
And if they all right, well, I mean, good luck.
You can't force an arrest if they don't want to
do it. No judge is going to order an arrest
to be made, not under these circumstances. So you're going
to have to have the DA charge them with some
kind of a crime. And that is not going to happen.
That is not going to happen. They got other fish

(13:29):
to fry. They'll just tell you yeah or no. But
it is not holding the sheriff's department for accountability. Because
I want these sheriffs to I want them arrested because
they violated policy. I don't even know if that's a crime. No, yeah,
well it's not. But you know, you got no place
to go on that. You really don't. And I understand,

(13:50):
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Speaker 9 (15:18):
Hi, Hi Bill Well, I have a problem with T
Mobile and that they had they had a promotional program
back in March where they would call it, they call
keep and switch. And this actually seems like to me
is bait and switch.

Speaker 1 (15:33):
Yeah, anyway, See that's what you consume them for because
they're not being honest. It really is bait and switch.
That's going to be the law. Okay, So it's keeping switch.
And what was that program about, right?

Speaker 9 (15:46):
Well, they would give you a phone for signing up
for their YEA as a provider. So I did that
and then got I said I don't need your phone,
so they'll give you a se phone. And because I
got and from AT and T my previous provider, and
so I'd like the rebate actual cash, which came out
to about five hundred and fourteen dollars after everything it's done.

(16:10):
So they say, okay, get a bill from your previous
provider and send it to their care their care office,
and I could go on the phone and call their
main office and can get set up. And they say, okay,
I'll be about thirty days.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
Okay, So they breached that. All right, you have to
keep on going. Let me ask you when you talk
to them about this credit. Was that verbally or there?
It is right in the sign up that if you
don't take the phone. You get a credit for the.

Speaker 10 (16:42):
Se Well, well they do have on a reu on
a paper they do, but it was also said mentally
they set it to the on the phone, and.

Speaker 1 (16:54):
Well the part the phone matter. Okay, so you have
the proof, you have the paperwork, and you uh.

Speaker 8 (17:02):
They told me to get the paperwork. Okay, you get paperwork,
and then it takes like thirteen to fifteen days to
get anything back. Yeah, and then they said, oh, you
need this other thing. And then I got this other thing. Yeah,
and then and then they kept flagging it on.

Speaker 1 (17:16):
Yeah okay, yeah, I got it, and they have yet.
How long a period is this? How many months are
we talking about up till now above five months? Okay,
and they're doing nothing. Okay. So this is the concept, yeah, yeah, okay,
this is it's a legal concept. Phone companies are put
on this earth to screw you and to screw me.

(17:37):
And the problem is when you get into it with
them and you don't pay them while this is going on,
your phone gets cut off. So they have they have
to buy the norse.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
Yeah, I've been paying my bill.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
Of course you have to. Yeah, you have to, all right,
So you have one of two choices. You can either
just keep on doing it and you then can just
keep on calling and calling and calling. That's one. You
can make a formal complaint to whatever regulatory agency that
is involved, and I don't know which one it is.

(18:13):
I don't know if it's a PUC or not. You
get to find that out, but that's an easy find out.
And or you can go to small claim scort. And
I don't know the rules about suing utility in small
claim scourt. I know you have to go through all
the appeals levels, you have to exhaust your remedies. So
I think the next step is to ask for an appeal,

(18:34):
because no decision is made, you're entitled to a decision.
And then just start going up the ladder. How much
are you out? Four hundred and something dollars, five hundred dollars?

Speaker 9 (18:44):
Well, the phone is five hundred and four.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
Kay, and they were going to credit you five hundred dollars, right, yeah,
all right, right, all right, So that those are your choices.
None of them are very good. Yeah there, I mean,
it's just horrible. Dealing with companies are just it's beyond crazy.
I had an issue with AT and T and it
went on honest to God for two years. And the
only way it was, the only way it was resolved

(19:11):
is I left my house I had. It was a landline,
and I sold my house and I just cut it off.
I never got any credit. It just disappeared. I just
got tired of it. And it was a couple hundred
dollars to go. Okay at some point, you know, and
this isn't this isn't your out the money. It's opportunity lost.
You should have had the money. Oh yeah, all right, Andrea, Hello, Andrea, welcome, Hi.

Speaker 7 (19:38):
Thank you so much for taking my call. Sure, I
appreciate it. Of course you did a situation. Yes, I
have two friends of mine who are my mother's old friends.
They both have their full faculties and are healthy. The wife,
Jenny is in her early eighties, Eric is in his
early nineties, and they are both physically well. They hike,

(20:02):
they they're healthy people. The husband, Eric, though in his
early nineties, recently got a severe case of final stenosis,
which is a narrowing of the.

Speaker 11 (20:17):
Yes.

Speaker 7 (20:18):
Great, he was prescribed oxy content and a few days
ago and he just got diagnosed with this. He took
accidentally too many oxy content a few days ago, the
wife found him, you know, not responsive. She called the paramedics.
They brought him to a local hospital and they are

(20:41):
up in northern California, in Mendocino County, in the city
of Yukaia, which is the largest city in Mendocino County.
It's a big place. They brought him to the hospital.
The hospital arbitrarily decided that he couldn't go back home,
and they took the county to take over and take

(21:03):
over the husband. The county then moved without the wife's permission,
and she is absolutely in good health and brains. They
moved him from the city of Yucaiah the county all
the way to the city of San Francisco, one hundred
and twenty five miles away and put him in a

(21:24):
psychiatric unit. And both the husband and the wife are
absolutely okay.

Speaker 1 (21:31):
What happened? What's happening now? From when does this happen?

Speaker 7 (21:34):
They don't know, They don't know what to do.

Speaker 1 (21:36):
Okay, hold on, hold on, hold on? When did this happen?
Hold on? You have to answer my question when were
when was the husband pulled in the psychiatric unit in
San Francisco and what where are they now? Today as
we make this phone call.

Speaker 7 (21:54):
Okay, it was two days ago that he went to
the psychiatric unit, and the husband right now is in
the psychiatric called the San Francisco Jewish Home.

Speaker 1 (22:05):
Okay, it doesn't matter what it is. It doesn't By
the way, is he Jewish?

Speaker 7 (22:09):
Yeah, he's Jewish.

Speaker 1 (22:10):
Okay, so that helps. So they're not cramming Jesus down
his throat. That's a good thing, okay, all right, that's
for starters. And he probably would have a hard time
getting on his knees and praying anyway, so that one's often.

Speaker 7 (22:21):
The husband's phone, and he needs it because he's hard
of hearing it.

Speaker 1 (22:25):
Okay, here, okay, I got it. I got it. And
you want what to have him the least to get.

Speaker 7 (22:30):
The county away, take the cat, put it back on
the wife and the husband and the independent people for himself.

Speaker 1 (22:38):
All right, that's what you have to do that, okay.
So let's start where they have every right to do
what they did because it's their decision. Okay.

Speaker 7 (22:47):
I mean the county has the right or hospital okay.

Speaker 1 (22:50):
Yeap, county has the right because in the counties, in
the county's opinion, uh, he is deemed unsafe and this
is the safest course. And maybe they decided the wife
doesn't have the wherewithal, it doesn't matter. For whatever reason.
They are within their rights to do that. So the
only thing wife can do with that point is to

(23:12):
he's gonna have to find a lawyer to make a
motion to have a judge force or order the county
to return him to with his wife at home. And
that's going to take a judge to do that, because
if you go through all of the bureaucratic the bureaucratic
levels you have to go through, it's going to be
a while. And keep in mind that in their opinion,

(23:35):
your opinion doesn't matter. The wife's opinion doesn't matter. The
county can come in and do that because they have
a duty for his health. He overdosed, he's probably deemed
at some point, he's deemed a danger. By the way,
they have a seventy two hour hold on him. Seventy

(23:55):
two hours they can do without saying anything to anybody.
And you're not there seventy two hours. Even so I
think the wife should call the facility and say, I
am the wife, what are you going to do At
the end of seventy two hours. Do I go and
pick him up. He will probably a psychiatrist will release him.
It takes a psychiatrist to make that decision. And under

(24:16):
these circumstances, psychiatrists don't say, oh, we have to put
him away for a while. If he is at all lusive,
has cognition and he says it was an overdose, I
was an incredible pain. I won't do this again, the
psychiatrist will let him go because they're not going to
put him. It costs too much money for the state
to keep people around. So you just have wife call

(24:37):
the facility and say, I'm the wife, and tell me
what's going to happen, and you'll get the answer. By
the way, you can't you by the way, you can't
call Andrea because who are you in this relationship? Legally nobody, nobody.
They can't give you information under HIPPA, right, So you

(24:58):
just have to wait and make the phone call, or
have the wife make a phone call and hopefully she
sounds lucid and that she is. It's going to happen
just a day premature. The way I look at it,
all right, Doug, here we go. It's a you know,
big time hypo. I guess the hypothetical question. But I'll
do it this time, all right, Doug? What can I
do for you?

Speaker 4 (25:18):
Oh, it's on the subject of abortion, of course it is.
The anti abortionists asserts that terminating the life inside the
womb of a woman is criminal.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
Yes, that's what they said.

Speaker 12 (25:35):
You take in opposition to that, Could you assert that
it's criminal for the notion of stalking and aggravated assault?

Speaker 1 (25:45):
No? No, why because these are state statutes and asserting
that position is Doug asserting that position. No, it can't.
It is a state law, depending on which state it
is not California, thank goodness, a state law that's as
abortions illegal and in certain cases it is criminal. And

(26:09):
that's it. That's what the state is said. Now you
can say, oh, no, that's not true. It's holding a woman.
You're making a choice for a woman, and that's against
their First Amendment rights. Where the state can't tell you
what to do, they can tell you what to do.

Speaker 2 (26:23):
Well the state.

Speaker 12 (26:26):
I'm not adjusting that to mention of it, but just
the notion of stalking and aggravated Where is the stalking?

Speaker 1 (26:33):
Where is the stalking?

Speaker 12 (26:36):
Well, the fetus remains inside the womb, of the woman
and follows for around I know at first glances.

Speaker 1 (26:43):
All right, thank you so much for your opinion, because
that went in exactly the direction that I thought it
was going to go. Unfortunately I did it anyway, all right, Bob,
another question, let's do it? Hello, Bob, Bob, are you there?

Speaker 11 (26:59):
Okay, yes, go ahead, Bob, Yeah, yeah, Okay. Well I've
got a problem. It's uh, I had two houses. I
had one in San Bergino County and I had one
out in him and I got that too.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
Folks. They're not dying.

Speaker 6 (27:13):
Uh.

Speaker 11 (27:14):
Out here, there's a land grab going on by the
City of Riverside. It's tremendous. They're raiding houses. Even the mayor, no,
it's there.

Speaker 1 (27:22):
They're raiding houses. Who is raiding houses?

Speaker 11 (27:27):
Uh, it's here's the city of Riverside.

Speaker 1 (27:30):
Okay, who is raiding? The police is raiding. Who's raiding
a house?

Speaker 11 (27:36):
They got people running around here with trailers on the
back of new trucks and they're.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
Paying okay, and they're raiding the house. They're coming into
your house. They're raiding your house.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
Not my house. There's many others here, Okay, they're act.

Speaker 1 (27:48):
The police are actually raiding the house. They're breaking down.
Hold on, they're breaking down the doors. Uh, people are
knocking on the door. The cops are saying, this is
the police. And then they take If that no one answers,
they take their battering rams and they punch through the
door and raid the house. Do I have that correctly?

Speaker 12 (28:07):
No?

Speaker 2 (28:08):
The first thing is the electric bill.

Speaker 3 (28:09):
You don't pay.

Speaker 11 (28:09):
They can't pay the other bill.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
Who doesn't pay? Who doesn't pay? Who doesn't pay the bill?

Speaker 11 (28:15):
The people in mentality and the people in motion in.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
Hereday, okay, So why are they not paying? Why are
they not paying the electric bill?

Speaker 11 (28:23):
They don't have the money there ill okay.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
So therefore, because they don't have the money to pay
their electric bill, the city is raiding their house. Do
you have any idea how stupid that sounds, Bob, any idea?
I do? Yeah? I know how stupid it sounds? Very Okay,
that's two in a row. See where we can go
with that. The other day, a couple of days ago,

(28:46):
my dog, a little doxy, jumps on my chest because
that's what she does, and or that's what he does,
and he starts licking my face and uh, this is
doggy breath. Oh, my god, this is bad breath. So
I'm thinking, do I shove a Zelman's minty mouth that
down his throat to help with the bad breath issue?

(29:07):
And you know what, I just might, because bad breath
this doesn't occur from Doxy's jumping on your chest. Also,
a lot of people have bad breath, probably you do,
certainly you have. And so let me tell you what
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tiny little capsules that are covered with mint, and you
pop two or three in your mouth and you suck
on them and then the mint is gone, so your

(29:29):
mouth feels fresh and clean and wonderful. And then you
swallow or bite into him, and the parsley seed oil
inside the capsules go to work in your gut. And
it's quite often that bad breath starts with the foods
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(29:53):
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