September 6, 2025 • 33 mins
Handel on the Law. Marginal Legal Advice.
Handel handles getting "quiet fired," fighting traffic tickets... and winning, and employers not making payroll.
He doesn't handle them well, but hey... you didn't come here for accurate legal advice, now did you?
Handel handles getting "quiet fired," fighting traffic tickets... and winning, and employers not making payroll.
He doesn't handle them well, but hey... you didn't come here for accurate legal advice, now did you?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to kf I AM six forty the Bill
Handles show on demand on the iHeartRadio FAI handle here
Saturday morning, right up until eleven o'clock.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
A quick word about what's going on At two o'clock today.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
As you may know or you should know, Neil Savadra
broadcast The Fork Report, which is the foodie.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Thing that he does.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
He's with me on Monday through Friday, and his show
is Saturday's two to five. He is broadcasting live today.
It's a remote broadcast from the Wild Fork Store in
Long Beach, and I'm joining him and inviting you to
join us. There'll be taste tests, testing of tastes.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
We're gonna give away a lot of stuff. It's just
a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
You'll get tips, and we're even giving away a barbecue,
a really high end barbecue. So I'm gonna suggest that
you join us. And it's just great fun too. So
that's today two o'clock, two to five at the Wild
Fork Store in Long Beach, right there on Pacific Coast Highway,
and the phone number here, and we're doing pretty good
on phone numbers today eight hundred five two zero one,
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five to three four eight hundred five two zero one
five three four. This is handle on the law, marginal
legal advice. There was a case that just came down,
and I mean a massive, huge, influential case, and this
has to do with Google. Google that was sued and
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was asked to sell off its Chrome browser or Android,
and man, this is no small deal. The government got involved,
plaintiffs got involved, and a federal judge said nope, Google
can keep the Chrome browser or Android. And that changes everything.
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And this is a big win for Google and for
other major tech companies. It avoided the most extreme possible
outcome from this landmark anti trust case. And the argument
was that Google was operating as an illegal online search monopoly,
(02:19):
that it default are your phones if you were using
the Chrome browser or Android defaulted to its program and
no one else was allowed to be on only its
own system.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Well, it was forced to do this.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Lawsuit says you can't do that, and the court said, yeah,
they can. Now there are some exceptions to that. It's
going to have to make certain search data available to
qualified competitors.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
It has to promote competition.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
It can't have this monopoly, this quasi monopoly. But you know,
it averted the big one forcing the selloff. Big win,
big win, And of course there will be another lawsuit
because the argument is who's a qualified competitor.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
And what data is going to be made available?
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Big big win for Google. That's a big case, by
the way, a really big case. Sam by Sam, Welcome
to handle on the law.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Hi, thank you. So last year I bought a used
car from a art dealership and in the contract is
said any user. I was wondering, how do I get
to bed agent rolling?
Speaker 1 (03:40):
And Okay, I'm I'm losing you here, Sam. You know
what there's you're going back and forth on this. I'm
going to put you on let me and you know
I'm going to hang up on you and have you
call back, uh, in order to get a clear line
because I missed three quarters of that.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Hi, Zach, Welcome to handle on the law.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
Hi, sir, I appreciate you take my call. My question
is is at work right now? I'm having an issue
with I think I'm being quiet fired. The last three
weeks I've had like, you know, uh, not not legal harassment,
because it's it's like outside the lines of legal harassment,
you know. I had like something said like oh you
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look for when you're rich, so like it's not a
majority of like.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
My work, who's say, Zach, Zach, who's saying that to you?
Supervisors or other workers?
Speaker 4 (04:35):
A manager? A manager?
Speaker 2 (04:37):
A manager? Okay, all right?
Speaker 5 (04:41):
And then you know there's there's been some other things. Yeah, yeah,
there's been some other things. So I always started looking
for another job. But the job market's a little bit
you know, rough right now. So so I I just
want to know do I have any other kind of options?
Like there is some other things that have happened, but nothing.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
No, I understand, no stand, And there that that it
really is a thing quiet firing. And the reason it's
quiet firing, and you pointed it out, uh, they want
you to quit. If you quit, they don't have to
pay unemployment insurance. You get none of those benefits if
you voluntarily.
Speaker 6 (05:15):
Yes, yes, yeah, so you don't want to do that.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
So the quiet firing. A couple of questions. How big
is the company you work for, Zach?
Speaker 4 (05:23):
It's pretty big.
Speaker 7 (05:24):
It's it's it's across the United States that think.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Okay, it's a big company, all right, and it has
an HR department. Have you made a complaint to the
HR department and specifically said what's going on.
Speaker 5 (05:37):
I'm been term of afraid to do it because I
don't know if like I have any basis on it.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Well, well, if you want to, if they want you out,
it's not a question of basis. Oh, it's not a
question of basis. It is a question of putting it
on the record.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Uh, that this is what's happening.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
You want that on the record, and don't quit, have
them fire you or lay you off, because if you quit,
they've won.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
You can almost force the firing.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
But every time they do that, every time they do
that where you get harassed, you put in a claim
right there.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
You let HR know about it.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
You let HR this is what was said, this is
said it, this is the time it was said. And
then you're going to have a full backup of everything
that happened. And so when they fire you for cause,
which by the way, is the other way that you're
not going to collect that.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
I'm in at will employment. I've looked at my contract.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
So they doesn't it doesn't matter, it doesn't matter. They
still they're still they still have to they still have
to pay unemployment insurance, they still have to pay so security,
are you a ten ninety nine employee or are you employee?
Speaker 4 (06:50):
No, I'm employed.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Okay, then don't worry about will. Don't worry on that that.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Don't worry about at will. They can at will means
they can fire you whenever they want. But you're still
entitled to all of the benefits.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
So don't quit. Let them be as miserable to you
as possible. Blow it off.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
As a matter of fact, every time they do that
and you write a it's not a complaint, it's I
guess it is a complaint to HR.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
You're just backing up your case.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
And then you sit back and every time they do that,
you're backing yourself up. So that's what you do, and
that's easy. This is whoa that I just swallow I did.
This is handle on the law. If I handle here
Saturday morning, right up until eleven o clock, eight hundred
(07:38):
and five, two zero one five three four all right,
I got some interesting phone calls to say the least.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Jake, Hi, Jake, welcome, Hey.
Speaker 8 (07:51):
Good morning, Bill, Hey the owner of the Wildsfork event.
Speaker 9 (07:54):
Would you please allow me to do a really quick
Neil Sevador impression?
Speaker 2 (07:58):
I promise it's funny. All right, Well, here's yes.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
But this is a national show, so let me explain
real quickly for people that don't live in southern California.
And Neil sa Vader is a guy I work with
Monday through Friday, and we're doing an event today where
we're showing up at this event.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
So this is a fun part.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
You can do an impression of Neil and no one
will know what the hell you're doing, but please do.
Speaker 6 (08:25):
Go for it.
Speaker 9 (08:26):
Okay, hey, buddy, I'm over here and shawb is Revee
overlooking Los Angeles and with Thanksgiving being around a corner.
The question that I mostly get is Neil, what makes
the perfect bird? And most of you will say it's
the web Brian, the O Contra Mond Freer. The real
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secret is the dly Brian.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Oh you know what? Okay, all right, uh, I'll give
it to you.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
That was the worst impression I've ever heard in my
life of Neil. I would not make my living doing
impressions if I were you.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Now moving on to your question.
Speaker 10 (09:11):
Okay, So I got a ticket and it was actually
at a train track, and I grew impatient, so I
made a U turn to get the hell out of there.
Speaker 8 (09:22):
Now, the cop gaming two violations.
Speaker 9 (09:25):
I didn't realize that.
Speaker 8 (09:29):
And after I signed it, but one of them said
that I ran that I didn't stop at the red light. Now,
had I not stopped, I would have ran right into
the train track.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
So I fair enough, Can I fight?
Speaker 11 (09:43):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (09:43):
First of all, you signing that ticket is not an
admission of guilt.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
All it says is that you will show up.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
So I just ignore that part as far as admitting guilt.
Here is the problem, and that is fighting one part
of it and you're guilty of the other part. You know,
you're only gonna You're only going to get hit basically
with one violation anyway, they're not going to hit you
with both.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Now, if you.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Want to fight it, you go to court and you
argue exactly what you argue, and the judge is probably
going to give it to you as I'm assuming you're
bringing in your pictures, et cetera, and you say your honor,
here we go. I mean, I had a situation where
I fought a ticket where I was supposed to I
theoretically blew through a stop sign. I went out and
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I took pictures and I was able to tell the
court this cop couldn't see me from where he was
and here's the photo. But you need that kind of proof,
and the kind of proof you're bringing to the table
is it's impossible for me to have done that. And
the judge goes, okay, that's fine. Let's talk about the
other ticket where you're going to get nailed. You know,
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I don't know what to tell you unless they're charging
you for both violations and you're getting hit with another ticket.
Then you go and you plead not guilty, and you
go in front of a court, and you go in
front of a with some kind of administrator I know
if it's a judge even and you know, you get
hit with one, you go and you'll lose half a day.
It's up to you. Depends on how much money they're
going to hit you with. So it's up to you
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if you want to do it or not. Mark, Hello,
Mark welcome.
Speaker 11 (11:34):
A friend of mine loaned her daughter and her son
in law fifty thousand dollars to qualify for a loan
on a house, okay, and then she also co signed
on the loan okay, And she hasn't secured her interest
in that home, and I'm wondering should she put her
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name on that title.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Well, okay, of course she should.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
But that was what she should have done when she
put fifty thousand dollars down and accepted liability, accepted as
a guaranteur that she would pay. Yeah, you do it there,
But after the fact, mark you have an unsecured loan
is what she has. And boy is it a beauty
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of an unsecured loan. It's fifty grand plus the liability
for the life of the loan in which she's guaranteeing it.
After the fact, all the guy has to do is
say no, no, thanks, now, yeah, that's why. Now, I mean,
the good news is probably she is not or the homeowner,
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the first person out there, male or female, I have
no idea, is probably going to keep paying for the home.
Although depending on what a sleeze ball he is, he
may say, no, you're guaranteeing it, you're paying, I'm staying and.
Speaker 6 (13:00):
The fifteen and they get along, well, I mean, all.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Right, well then yeah, and well then then he asks
or then she asks, and you say, hey, it was
fair is putting me on title? And we'll see what
he has to say. And the fact is they get
along and he's an honorable guy. Helps a lot. But
the bottom line is, at this point I want my
name on title. There's no legal way she can't force
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that issue. And she's a moron for having done that. Okay,
she's a complete idiot. You're aware of that.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
And I would do that.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
I would say here it is, hold on, this is good.
I talked to an attorney. Don't mention my name because
people laugh. I talk to an attorney and this is
what he said. And I got a second opinion. And
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This is handle on the law.
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You're listening to bill handle on demand from kf I
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Speaker 1 (15:32):
Saturday morning, and we've gone through phone calls pretty quickly,
so gust some minds open. Actually for the first time,
he went to an hour and a half of a
lot of phone calls. The number eight hundred five to
zero one five three four, eight hundred five to zero
one five three fours number to call. And I get
to yell at you, and you get to yell at me,
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and we'll see who humiliates whom?
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Is that right?
Speaker 13 (15:57):
Who?
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Who humiliates who? Or whom? Who's on first?
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Eight hundred and five two zero one five three four
Welcome back, Handle on the law Marginal Legal Advice, Celia. Hi, Celia, welcome,
good morning.
Speaker 7 (16:15):
Thanks for calling to me. Last year August of twenty four,
my husband received a text from his employer that everyone
all the employees received, saying we're not going to make payroll.
And the following week the company literally just closed. They
turned off the phones, they took down the website in
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the middle of the night, they emptied the offices. My
husband had been issued a company truck and nobody has
ever come asking for it. So in January I started
writing letters to the bank that owns the title the
pink slip and certified letters receipt and saying, I have
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your truck. It's being stored in a safe location, and
I'm asking for seventy eight dollars a day for storage fees.
And I gave them the dollar amount or you can
simply turn over the pink flip to me.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
And I sent three of these letters.
Speaker 11 (17:13):
With no response.
Speaker 7 (17:15):
In April, I started calling the bank and I've yet
to get hold of a person who can help me
with this. So do I have any legal right to
ownership of this truck?
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (17:26):
First of all, we start with the bank doesn't hold
the pink slip. The company owns the pink slip. The
bank has a lean on the car.
Speaker 7 (17:36):
Well, the bank is on the registration.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Yeah, no, I understand as a lean holder, as a
lean holder.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Well as owner, the bank owns the vehicle and the
company did not.
Speaker 7 (17:50):
Yes, because the company was making payments.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
So I don't understand how I don't.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
So therefore, the bank is the one that let your
husband drive because the so he's an employee of the bank,
and therefore it was a bank car.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Correct.
Speaker 7 (18:08):
Well, until you pay off your loan, the bank still
owns your car, you don't.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
It does not own your car. The bank has a
lean on your car. The owner of the car is
the company or an individual who buys a car. So
that's for starters. You got that wrong. You think the
bank owns the car.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
It doesn't.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
And if payments are being made bank does you know?
The bank doesn't care? Just pay it off, you know, really,
they don't care who's on titles, because I'll tell you
what happens is when you sell a car and there's
still and the bank still has title as long as
it's payments.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Are made, what do they care?
Speaker 1 (18:51):
And then when the in the end, when all the
payments are made, the bank releases its lean uh and
the owner of the car owns it without lean. So
what you have is the company still owning the car.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
The company is.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Broke, and you have hold of the car. And then
i'd go to the DMV and figure out how this works.
That storage business is not going to work. That's not
going to happen. The trick is to have the property
or the car transferred to your husband's name, and that
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
When you have a company that's.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
No longer in business but still has assets, and that
car would be an asset.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
And now we're.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Talking about is it did the company just dissolve itself?
Did it go bankrupt? What are it do?
Speaker 7 (19:42):
They're trying to go bankrupt, they have fled the state.
They're being sued by employees, vendors, subcontenty.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
So it's easy you call up the company and say
you owe me money and why don't you transfer the
property to my name? And they're going to probably say no,
and then you have to go through if you go
through bankruptcy, you have to go through the bankruptcy court
as a creditor and maybe you ask for it. It's
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a lot more complicated than you think. But it starts
with the bank owns the car.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
No, it doesn't.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Clearly people are conflating that big time. Tony, Hello, Tony, welcome.
Speaker 13 (20:26):
Hi Bill. I'm a landlord and I have a house
for rent and some people apply and they are Section
is and I'm not listed as a provider for section
if you are obligated to accept their application.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
Nope, because you don't. You're not a Section eight housing.
That's all.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
You can say no, and you do say no. For
you to be Section eight, you have to apply. You
have to apply to be a Section eight to be
a provider, and let me tell you, it's a pain
in the ass, but it's a guarantee. But but you're
guaranteed the rent because it's Section eight.
Speaker 13 (21:06):
I'm not interested in that because then.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Don't then don't then you tell the Section eight potential tenant.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
I don't do Section eight, Thank you very much. It's
been a pleasure.
Speaker 13 (21:18):
I called. I called the housing what do you call it,
the housing affair or whatever?
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Yeah, the housing authority, and they said you have to
accept Section eight.
Speaker 13 (21:29):
No, it's not the housing authority. It's somebody else, like
a mediator between the landlord and the attendant. And he
told me that you obligated to accept it because this
is considered a discombination. Again it section eight. Even if
I'm luckily, but hang on a minute.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
You have but you have to apply for Section eight. Yes,
no the answer? Then, did you apply for Section eight housing?
Speaker 13 (21:55):
No? I never did.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Then don't worry about it. Then I don't think.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
I don't think you can be forced to accept the
Section eight tenant.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
I just don't think you have to.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
And from my understanding is the entire building of Section eight.
And I don't know much about Section eight. Section eight
is a governmental guarantee that someone pays a portion of
the rent. The government pays the rest because you go
in for your poor for under whatever limits there are.
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But I got to tell you the government puts restrictions
on it. It's you go to Section eight, and it's
not just here you go. There are all kinds Mike Hello, Mike. Welcome, Mike,
you're there, Mike.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Sorry, Yes, your next, Okay, what can I do for you?
Speaker 6 (22:50):
All right? So my wife and I got in a
big fight. She said she didn't want to be married
to me anymore, and I said, okay, you feel that way,
then give me back the ring. Your ring. She took
it off, threw it at me, and subsequently she wants
it back. So my question is, since me, in my mind,
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voluntarily surrendered it, well, no.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
She did.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
If she throws a ring back at you, that to
me seems pretty much of a voluntarily voluntary She's giving
up the ring and she doesn't claim or shouldn't claim ownership,
so now she wants the ring back.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
How much is the ring worth Mike? About ten thousand, okay,
so there's real money there.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
I would say, no, no thanks, and she can sue.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
For it, and you're going to argue that she threw
it back at me. She didn't want it.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
So therefore as much she can't come back and go
I've changed my mind. I want it now, let's go reverse.
If you have given her the ring and you want
it back, not gonna get it back because a ring
the law basically says that her ring is considered a gift. Uh,
and it probably won't even be considered as assets during
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the course of a divorce.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
But she gave she threw it back to you. Hey,
it's my ring.
Speaker 6 (24:18):
Yeah, she's claiming that I took it from her.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
But that's different. Okay, that's different. Okay, that's different. Okay,
that's different. Now, yeah, of course she is.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Okay, but then the presumption, now, the presumption is probably
gonna go in her favor because.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Rings are a little different. Uh, they are considered a gift.
Speaker 6 (24:40):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
And Uh, you suing, Let's say you sued back for
the ring, you would it would be impossible for you
to get it. Her saying that you took it is
a different animal. She's gonna lie, and it's.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Gonna be a he said. She said, that's it.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
She's gonna take it a small claims court, and the
worst that happens, you have to give up the ring.
And if you lose, let's say she wins, you lose,
you ask for another trial, and you do it again.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
That's it.
Speaker 6 (25:08):
Well, I'm hoping for reconciliation. But that's okay, I want
to know what.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Yeah, those are your legal options.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
And I don't know your wife or your ex wife,
but I wouldn't go for a reconciliation if I were you.
To be divorced is a much better thing than be married.
Believe me, that's experienced talking.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
This is Handle on the Law.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
I am six forty handle here on a Saturday morning.
Some minds are open because you can see I'm going
through these calls pretty quickly. Eight hundred five two zero
one five to three four eight hundred five two zero
one five three four And a quick reminder that this
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afternoon two o'clock, I and Neil Savadra are going to
be at the Wild Fork Store in Long Beach, and
he's brought casting I'm his guest, and we have giveaways,
even a big expensive barbecue and tastings and Zelman's will
be there. So join us two to five at the
Wild Fork Store and we'll have a great time. Welcome
(26:12):
back Handle on the Law, Marginal Legal Advice, Madeline. Hello, Madeline,
Welcome to Handle on the Law.
Speaker 14 (26:21):
Good morning, good morning, thank you for taking my call. Sure,
I have a problem.
Speaker 15 (26:26):
About a month and a half ago, I was really sick.
I had made want to urge a care They suggested
I get into ambulance the head to the hospital, which
I drove myself. Anyway, they did minimal.
Speaker 14 (26:37):
Tests and sent me home, and about later the week
I went again and they did a lot of tests.
Went back to my GP and he said that gave
the names of specialists to go through, which I did.
I showed up the specialist about two weeks ago and
empty handed, no results. So by adventures of the er,
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which probably looking back, was my fault. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Why it is right now? Wait, why why would it
be your fault? And I don't even know what is
your fault? What do you what do you think.
Speaker 6 (27:10):
Is your fault?
Speaker 3 (27:12):
The fact that the my doctor did not have.
Speaker 14 (27:15):
Any results from the right, is that my responsibility?
Speaker 2 (27:19):
No? No, no, not at all, not at all.
Speaker 14 (27:22):
Okay, well letting it gets worse. So anyway, I had
my doctor h signed me to a specialist. I went
and uh once together, want there there? You had nothing
about me? You do nothing. I don't know blood results. Yeah,
I don't know bethel terminology. So anyway, I send me
(27:43):
for appointment this week, which is like a week and
a half later. He called the hospital while I was
there and they said, well, they won't send it to him.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
They won't send it.
Speaker 14 (27:55):
Wait, they will send it to you.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Would they send it to him?
Speaker 14 (27:58):
My doctor?
Speaker 2 (27:59):
They would not send it.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Even though he requested the medical records. You signed a
document and they're saying no.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Wow.
Speaker 14 (28:09):
Yes, So while I was at the specialist, he had
a form that says that I allow him.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Right, I understand.
Speaker 14 (28:18):
I just said that.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
I just I just said that. I just said that.
Speaker 14 (28:21):
All right, Yes, I did while I was there.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Okay, what's your question?
Speaker 14 (28:25):
So my question? Okay, they still haven't sent it to him,
but I have a new appointment.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
How long ago?
Speaker 1 (28:32):
How long ago did he How long ago did he
request the medical records?
Speaker 14 (28:37):
About a week and a half to two weeks.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Yeah, I don't know. They can argue.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
That they have to copy them although everything is on
uh you know, everything is on as file now on
the computers and use the internet. So that's a little bit.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
I took myself.
Speaker 14 (28:57):
I could get itself to the records.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Okay, well.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
You can't because because because the records are with the
doctor that there that your new doctor is trying to
get information from. So there are no records for you
to get. There's there's no uh, it's not a public record.
Under hippo rules, you can't find it out where the
violation here in this violation of federal law. There in
(29:24):
violation of HIPPA And that's no small deal. By the way,
what's wrong with you, Madeline?
Speaker 14 (29:33):
We don't know yet?
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Okay, So why did you go in?
Speaker 6 (29:36):
What?
Speaker 2 (29:37):
What are you complaining about? Are you you know?
Speaker 14 (29:39):
I had chest pain? Okay, got it?
Speaker 2 (29:42):
All right, I'm just curious, all right, all right, I
got it. I was just curious. I'm just curious. All right.
So here's here's what you do.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
I would call the first doctor the emergency room and say,
you guys are in violation of HIPPA laws.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
And then I would complain to the metal board.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
I mean, it's uh, the state of California, assuming you're
in California, and every state has a regulatory agency over
doctors and over hospitals, and I would make a complaint
because this is a serious violation. This is no this
is a no joke violation. So that's where I would go.
Speaker 14 (30:18):
And I went to the hospital to the records and
I said, should I have that? They said, no, no, ways,
you said it through the computer. I said, I know,
I said, but I'll just give it to me and
I'll just walk it to the doctor.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Okay, But here's what they can do. Then then they
have to copy it and hand it to you. And
I think they can they charge you for copy maybe,
but la, I mean the big one, The big one
is that the new doctor asking for those medical records
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and the refusal to give them the medical records.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
That's the violation. Also, you're entitled.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Now, who did you go to to get your medical records?
Speaker 14 (31:06):
I went to medical records at the hospital.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, everybody's in violation here.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
I'd call the medical authorities, uh, the people that over
oversee doctors, hospitals. I don't know the name of it,
but absolutely whoa. I can't imagine medical facilities saying no, no,
we're not interested in giving you your medical records, or
we're not going to give your new doctor who is
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a specialist, your medical records.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
It sounds like crazy.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Hey, while we're talking about medical and medicine, there's syndrome
out there, or in general, people suffer pain and they
suffer chronic pain, which means all the time. And then
get pretty serious. And I have someone I know very well, Lindsey,
and she deals with this chron of paint chronic pain
(32:00):
twenty four to seven. So what she did is create
the Pain Game Podcast, and it is about helping not
only her through this podcast, but helping people who live
in chronic pain or.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Or have a loved one or know someone who does.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
And if that's the case, I'm gonna suggest you listen
to The Pain Game Podcast. Every episode ends with a
message of hope and that is tough when you hurt
like this. And then you'll understand that the show is
about giving pain purpose. I know that's counterintuitive, but it
is a different way of looking at your pain. And
boy does this work. It's the Pain Game Podcast. You
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can follow on social at the Pain Game Podcast.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Season three wrapping up right now.
Speaker 6 (32:46):
Eight.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Season four is.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Coming up, and that is going to be nothing short
of amazing. The Pain Game Podcast, The Pain Game Podcast.
This is Handle on the Law.
Speaker 12 (33:00):
You're listening to Bill Handel on demand from KFI A
M six forty
You're listening to kf I AM six forty the Bill
Handles show on demand on the iHeartRadio FAI handle here
Saturday morning, right up until eleven o'clock.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
A quick word about what's going on At two o'clock today.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
As you may know or you should know, Neil Savadra
broadcast The Fork Report, which is the foodie.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Thing that he does.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
He's with me on Monday through Friday, and his show
is Saturday's two to five. He is broadcasting live today.
It's a remote broadcast from the Wild Fork Store in
Long Beach, and I'm joining him and inviting you to
join us. There'll be taste tests, testing of tastes.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
We're gonna give away a lot of stuff. It's just
a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
You'll get tips, and we're even giving away a barbecue,
a really high end barbecue. So I'm gonna suggest that
you join us. And it's just great fun too. So
that's today two o'clock, two to five at the Wild
Fork Store in Long Beach, right there on Pacific Coast Highway,
and the phone number here, and we're doing pretty good
on phone numbers today eight hundred five two zero one,
(01:10):
five to three four eight hundred five two zero one
five three four. This is handle on the law, marginal
legal advice. There was a case that just came down,
and I mean a massive, huge, influential case, and this
has to do with Google. Google that was sued and
(01:37):
was asked to sell off its Chrome browser or Android,
and man, this is no small deal. The government got involved,
plaintiffs got involved, and a federal judge said nope, Google
can keep the Chrome browser or Android. And that changes everything.
(01:57):
And this is a big win for Google and for
other major tech companies. It avoided the most extreme possible
outcome from this landmark anti trust case. And the argument
was that Google was operating as an illegal online search monopoly,
(02:19):
that it default are your phones if you were using
the Chrome browser or Android defaulted to its program and
no one else was allowed to be on only its
own system.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Well, it was forced to do this.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Lawsuit says you can't do that, and the court said, yeah,
they can. Now there are some exceptions to that. It's
going to have to make certain search data available to
qualified competitors.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
It has to promote competition.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
It can't have this monopoly, this quasi monopoly. But you know,
it averted the big one forcing the selloff. Big win,
big win, And of course there will be another lawsuit
because the argument is who's a qualified competitor.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
And what data is going to be made available?
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Big big win for Google. That's a big case, by
the way, a really big case. Sam by Sam, Welcome
to handle on the law.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Hi, thank you. So last year I bought a used
car from a art dealership and in the contract is
said any user. I was wondering, how do I get
to bed agent rolling?
Speaker 1 (03:40):
And Okay, I'm I'm losing you here, Sam. You know
what there's you're going back and forth on this. I'm
going to put you on let me and you know
I'm going to hang up on you and have you
call back, uh, in order to get a clear line
because I missed three quarters of that.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Hi, Zach, Welcome to handle on the law.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
Hi, sir, I appreciate you take my call. My question
is is at work right now? I'm having an issue
with I think I'm being quiet fired. The last three
weeks I've had like, you know, uh, not not legal harassment,
because it's it's like outside the lines of legal harassment,
you know. I had like something said like oh you
(04:26):
look for when you're rich, so like it's not a
majority of like.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
My work, who's say, Zach, Zach, who's saying that to you?
Supervisors or other workers?
Speaker 4 (04:35):
A manager? A manager?
Speaker 2 (04:37):
A manager? Okay, all right?
Speaker 5 (04:41):
And then you know there's there's been some other things. Yeah, yeah,
there's been some other things. So I always started looking
for another job. But the job market's a little bit
you know, rough right now. So so I I just
want to know do I have any other kind of options?
Like there is some other things that have happened, but nothing.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
No, I understand, no stand, And there that that it
really is a thing quiet firing. And the reason it's
quiet firing, and you pointed it out, uh, they want
you to quit. If you quit, they don't have to
pay unemployment insurance. You get none of those benefits if
you voluntarily.
Speaker 6 (05:15):
Yes, yes, yeah, so you don't want to do that.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
So the quiet firing. A couple of questions. How big
is the company you work for, Zach?
Speaker 4 (05:23):
It's pretty big.
Speaker 7 (05:24):
It's it's it's across the United States that think.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Okay, it's a big company, all right, and it has
an HR department. Have you made a complaint to the
HR department and specifically said what's going on.
Speaker 5 (05:37):
I'm been term of afraid to do it because I
don't know if like I have any basis on it.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Well, well, if you want to, if they want you out,
it's not a question of basis. Oh, it's not a
question of basis. It is a question of putting it
on the record.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Uh, that this is what's happening.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
You want that on the record, and don't quit, have
them fire you or lay you off, because if you quit,
they've won.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
You can almost force the firing.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
But every time they do that, every time they do
that where you get harassed, you put in a claim
right there.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
You let HR know about it.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
You let HR this is what was said, this is
said it, this is the time it was said. And
then you're going to have a full backup of everything
that happened. And so when they fire you for cause,
which by the way, is the other way that you're
not going to collect that.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
I'm in at will employment. I've looked at my contract.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
So they doesn't it doesn't matter, it doesn't matter. They
still they're still they still have to they still have
to pay unemployment insurance, they still have to pay so security,
are you a ten ninety nine employee or are you employee?
Speaker 4 (06:50):
No, I'm employed.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Okay, then don't worry about will. Don't worry on that that.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Don't worry about at will. They can at will means
they can fire you whenever they want. But you're still
entitled to all of the benefits.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
So don't quit. Let them be as miserable to you
as possible. Blow it off.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
As a matter of fact, every time they do that
and you write a it's not a complaint, it's I
guess it is a complaint to HR.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
You're just backing up your case.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
And then you sit back and every time they do that,
you're backing yourself up. So that's what you do, and
that's easy. This is whoa that I just swallow I did.
This is handle on the law. If I handle here
Saturday morning, right up until eleven o clock, eight hundred
(07:38):
and five, two zero one five three four all right,
I got some interesting phone calls to say the least.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Jake, Hi, Jake, welcome, Hey.
Speaker 8 (07:51):
Good morning, Bill, Hey the owner of the Wildsfork event.
Speaker 9 (07:54):
Would you please allow me to do a really quick
Neil Sevador impression?
Speaker 2 (07:58):
I promise it's funny. All right, Well, here's yes.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
But this is a national show, so let me explain
real quickly for people that don't live in southern California.
And Neil sa Vader is a guy I work with
Monday through Friday, and we're doing an event today where
we're showing up at this event.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
So this is a fun part.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
You can do an impression of Neil and no one
will know what the hell you're doing, but please do.
Speaker 6 (08:25):
Go for it.
Speaker 9 (08:26):
Okay, hey, buddy, I'm over here and shawb is Revee
overlooking Los Angeles and with Thanksgiving being around a corner.
The question that I mostly get is Neil, what makes
the perfect bird? And most of you will say it's
the web Brian, the O Contra Mond Freer. The real
(08:49):
secret is the dly Brian.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Oh you know what? Okay, all right, uh, I'll give
it to you.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
That was the worst impression I've ever heard in my
life of Neil. I would not make my living doing
impressions if I were you.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Now moving on to your question.
Speaker 10 (09:11):
Okay, So I got a ticket and it was actually
at a train track, and I grew impatient, so I
made a U turn to get the hell out of there.
Speaker 8 (09:22):
Now, the cop gaming two violations.
Speaker 9 (09:25):
I didn't realize that.
Speaker 8 (09:29):
And after I signed it, but one of them said
that I ran that I didn't stop at the red light. Now,
had I not stopped, I would have ran right into
the train track.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
So I fair enough, Can I fight?
Speaker 11 (09:43):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (09:43):
First of all, you signing that ticket is not an
admission of guilt.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
All it says is that you will show up.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
So I just ignore that part as far as admitting guilt.
Here is the problem, and that is fighting one part
of it and you're guilty of the other part. You know,
you're only gonna You're only going to get hit basically
with one violation anyway, they're not going to hit you
with both.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Now, if you.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Want to fight it, you go to court and you
argue exactly what you argue, and the judge is probably
going to give it to you as I'm assuming you're
bringing in your pictures, et cetera, and you say your honor,
here we go. I mean, I had a situation where
I fought a ticket where I was supposed to I
theoretically blew through a stop sign. I went out and
(10:40):
I took pictures and I was able to tell the
court this cop couldn't see me from where he was
and here's the photo. But you need that kind of proof,
and the kind of proof you're bringing to the table
is it's impossible for me to have done that. And
the judge goes, okay, that's fine. Let's talk about the
other ticket where you're going to get nailed. You know,
(11:04):
I don't know what to tell you unless they're charging
you for both violations and you're getting hit with another ticket.
Then you go and you plead not guilty, and you
go in front of a court, and you go in
front of a with some kind of administrator I know
if it's a judge even and you know, you get
hit with one, you go and you'll lose half a day.
It's up to you. Depends on how much money they're
going to hit you with. So it's up to you
(11:27):
if you want to do it or not. Mark, Hello,
Mark welcome.
Speaker 11 (11:34):
A friend of mine loaned her daughter and her son
in law fifty thousand dollars to qualify for a loan
on a house, okay, and then she also co signed
on the loan okay, And she hasn't secured her interest
in that home, and I'm wondering should she put her
(11:55):
name on that title.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Well, okay, of course she should.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
But that was what she should have done when she
put fifty thousand dollars down and accepted liability, accepted as
a guaranteur that she would pay. Yeah, you do it there,
But after the fact, mark you have an unsecured loan
is what she has. And boy is it a beauty
(12:21):
of an unsecured loan. It's fifty grand plus the liability
for the life of the loan in which she's guaranteeing it.
After the fact, all the guy has to do is
say no, no, thanks, now, yeah, that's why. Now, I mean,
the good news is probably she is not or the homeowner,
(12:43):
the first person out there, male or female, I have
no idea, is probably going to keep paying for the home.
Although depending on what a sleeze ball he is, he
may say, no, you're guaranteeing it, you're paying, I'm staying and.
Speaker 6 (13:00):
The fifteen and they get along, well, I mean, all.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Right, well then yeah, and well then then he asks
or then she asks, and you say, hey, it was
fair is putting me on title? And we'll see what
he has to say. And the fact is they get
along and he's an honorable guy. Helps a lot. But
the bottom line is, at this point I want my
name on title. There's no legal way she can't force
(13:27):
that issue. And she's a moron for having done that. Okay,
she's a complete idiot. You're aware of that.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
And I would do that.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
I would say here it is, hold on, this is good.
I talked to an attorney. Don't mention my name because
people laugh. I talk to an attorney and this is
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This is handle on the law.
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You're listening to bill handle on demand from kf I
A M six forty.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
KFI handle here on a.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Saturday morning, and we've gone through phone calls pretty quickly,
so gust some minds open. Actually for the first time,
he went to an hour and a half of a
lot of phone calls. The number eight hundred five to
zero one five three four, eight hundred five to zero
one five three fours number to call. And I get
to yell at you, and you get to yell at me,
(15:52):
and we'll see who humiliates whom?
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Is that right?
Speaker 13 (15:57):
Who?
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Who humiliates who? Or whom? Who's on first?
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Eight hundred and five two zero one five three four
Welcome back, Handle on the law Marginal Legal Advice, Celia. Hi, Celia, welcome,
good morning.
Speaker 7 (16:15):
Thanks for calling to me. Last year August of twenty four,
my husband received a text from his employer that everyone
all the employees received, saying we're not going to make payroll.
And the following week the company literally just closed. They
turned off the phones, they took down the website in
(16:35):
the middle of the night, they emptied the offices. My
husband had been issued a company truck and nobody has
ever come asking for it. So in January I started
writing letters to the bank that owns the title the
pink slip and certified letters receipt and saying, I have
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your truck. It's being stored in a safe location, and
I'm asking for seventy eight dollars a day for storage fees.
And I gave them the dollar amount or you can
simply turn over the pink flip to me.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
And I sent three of these letters.
Speaker 11 (17:13):
With no response.
Speaker 7 (17:15):
In April, I started calling the bank and I've yet
to get hold of a person who can help me
with this. So do I have any legal right to
ownership of this truck?
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (17:26):
First of all, we start with the bank doesn't hold
the pink slip. The company owns the pink slip. The
bank has a lean on the car.
Speaker 7 (17:36):
Well, the bank is on the registration.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Yeah, no, I understand as a lean holder, as a
lean holder.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Well as owner, the bank owns the vehicle and the
company did not.
Speaker 7 (17:50):
Yes, because the company was making payments.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
So I don't understand how I don't.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
So therefore, the bank is the one that let your
husband drive because the so he's an employee of the bank,
and therefore it was a bank car.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Correct.
Speaker 7 (18:08):
Well, until you pay off your loan, the bank still
owns your car, you don't.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
It does not own your car. The bank has a
lean on your car. The owner of the car is
the company or an individual who buys a car. So
that's for starters. You got that wrong. You think the
bank owns the car.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
It doesn't.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
And if payments are being made bank does you know?
The bank doesn't care? Just pay it off, you know, really,
they don't care who's on titles, because I'll tell you
what happens is when you sell a car and there's
still and the bank still has title as long as
it's payments.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Are made, what do they care?
Speaker 1 (18:51):
And then when the in the end, when all the
payments are made, the bank releases its lean uh and
the owner of the car owns it without lean. So
what you have is the company still owning the car.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
The company is.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Broke, and you have hold of the car. And then
i'd go to the DMV and figure out how this works.
That storage business is not going to work. That's not
going to happen. The trick is to have the property
or the car transferred to your husband's name, and that
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
When you have a company that's.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
No longer in business but still has assets, and that
car would be an asset.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
And now we're.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Talking about is it did the company just dissolve itself?
Did it go bankrupt? What are it do?
Speaker 7 (19:42):
They're trying to go bankrupt, they have fled the state.
They're being sued by employees, vendors, subcontenty.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
So it's easy you call up the company and say
you owe me money and why don't you transfer the
property to my name? And they're going to probably say no,
and then you have to go through if you go
through bankruptcy, you have to go through the bankruptcy court
as a creditor and maybe you ask for it. It's
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a lot more complicated than you think. But it starts
with the bank owns the car.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
No, it doesn't.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Clearly people are conflating that big time. Tony, Hello, Tony, welcome.
Speaker 13 (20:26):
Hi Bill. I'm a landlord and I have a house
for rent and some people apply and they are Section
is and I'm not listed as a provider for section
if you are obligated to accept their application.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
Nope, because you don't. You're not a Section eight housing.
That's all.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
You can say no, and you do say no. For
you to be Section eight, you have to apply. You
have to apply to be a Section eight to be
a provider, and let me tell you, it's a pain
in the ass, but it's a guarantee. But but you're
guaranteed the rent because it's Section eight.
Speaker 13 (21:06):
I'm not interested in that because then.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Don't then don't then you tell the Section eight potential tenant.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
I don't do Section eight, Thank you very much. It's
been a pleasure.
Speaker 13 (21:18):
I called. I called the housing what do you call it,
the housing affair or whatever?
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Yeah, the housing authority, and they said you have to
accept Section eight.
Speaker 13 (21:29):
No, it's not the housing authority. It's somebody else, like
a mediator between the landlord and the attendant. And he
told me that you obligated to accept it because this
is considered a discombination. Again it section eight. Even if
I'm luckily, but hang on a minute.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
You have but you have to apply for Section eight. Yes,
no the answer? Then, did you apply for Section eight housing?
Speaker 13 (21:55):
No? I never did.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Then don't worry about it. Then I don't think.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
I don't think you can be forced to accept the
Section eight tenant.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
I just don't think you have to.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
And from my understanding is the entire building of Section eight.
And I don't know much about Section eight. Section eight
is a governmental guarantee that someone pays a portion of
the rent. The government pays the rest because you go
in for your poor for under whatever limits there are.
(22:24):
But I got to tell you the government puts restrictions
on it. It's you go to Section eight, and it's
not just here you go. There are all kinds Mike Hello, Mike. Welcome, Mike,
you're there, Mike.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Sorry, Yes, your next, Okay, what can I do for you?
Speaker 6 (22:50):
All right? So my wife and I got in a
big fight. She said she didn't want to be married
to me anymore, and I said, okay, you feel that way,
then give me back the ring. Your ring. She took
it off, threw it at me, and subsequently she wants
it back. So my question is, since me, in my mind,
(23:12):
voluntarily surrendered it, well, no.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
She did.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
If she throws a ring back at you, that to
me seems pretty much of a voluntarily voluntary She's giving
up the ring and she doesn't claim or shouldn't claim ownership,
so now she wants the ring back.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
How much is the ring worth Mike? About ten thousand, okay,
so there's real money there.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
I would say, no, no thanks, and she can sue.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
For it, and you're going to argue that she threw
it back at me. She didn't want it.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
So therefore as much she can't come back and go
I've changed my mind. I want it now, let's go reverse.
If you have given her the ring and you want
it back, not gonna get it back because a ring
the law basically says that her ring is considered a gift. Uh,
and it probably won't even be considered as assets during
(24:10):
the course of a divorce.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
But she gave she threw it back to you. Hey,
it's my ring.
Speaker 6 (24:18):
Yeah, she's claiming that I took it from her.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
But that's different. Okay, that's different. Okay, that's different. Okay,
that's different. Now, yeah, of course she is.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Okay, but then the presumption, now, the presumption is probably
gonna go in her favor because.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Rings are a little different. Uh, they are considered a gift.
Speaker 6 (24:40):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
And Uh, you suing, Let's say you sued back for
the ring, you would it would be impossible for you
to get it. Her saying that you took it is
a different animal. She's gonna lie, and it's.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Gonna be a he said. She said, that's it.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
She's gonna take it a small claims court, and the
worst that happens, you have to give up the ring.
And if you lose, let's say she wins, you lose,
you ask for another trial, and you do it again.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
That's it.
Speaker 6 (25:08):
Well, I'm hoping for reconciliation. But that's okay, I want
to know what.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Yeah, those are your legal options.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
And I don't know your wife or your ex wife,
but I wouldn't go for a reconciliation if I were you.
To be divorced is a much better thing than be married.
Believe me, that's experienced talking.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
This is Handle on the Law.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
I am six forty handle here on a Saturday morning.
Some minds are open because you can see I'm going
through these calls pretty quickly. Eight hundred five two zero
one five to three four eight hundred five two zero
one five three four And a quick reminder that this
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afternoon two o'clock, I and Neil Savadra are going to
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(26:12):
back Handle on the Law, Marginal Legal Advice, Madeline. Hello, Madeline,
Welcome to Handle on the Law.
Speaker 14 (26:21):
Good morning, good morning, thank you for taking my call. Sure,
I have a problem.
Speaker 15 (26:26):
About a month and a half ago, I was really sick.
I had made want to urge a care They suggested
I get into ambulance the head to the hospital, which
I drove myself. Anyway, they did minimal.
Speaker 14 (26:37):
Tests and sent me home, and about later the week
I went again and they did a lot of tests.
Went back to my GP and he said that gave
the names of specialists to go through, which I did.
I showed up the specialist about two weeks ago and
empty handed, no results. So by adventures of the er,
(26:58):
which probably looking back, was my fault. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Why it is right now? Wait, why why would it
be your fault? And I don't even know what is
your fault? What do you what do you think.
Speaker 6 (27:10):
Is your fault?
Speaker 3 (27:12):
The fact that the my doctor did not have.
Speaker 14 (27:15):
Any results from the right, is that my responsibility?
Speaker 2 (27:19):
No? No, no, not at all, not at all.
Speaker 14 (27:22):
Okay, well letting it gets worse. So anyway, I had
my doctor h signed me to a specialist. I went
and uh once together, want there there? You had nothing
about me? You do nothing. I don't know blood results. Yeah,
I don't know bethel terminology. So anyway, I send me
(27:43):
for appointment this week, which is like a week and
a half later. He called the hospital while I was
there and they said, well, they won't send it to him.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
They won't send it.
Speaker 14 (27:55):
Wait, they will send it to you.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Would they send it to him?
Speaker 14 (27:58):
My doctor?
Speaker 2 (27:59):
They would not send it.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Even though he requested the medical records. You signed a
document and they're saying no.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Wow.
Speaker 14 (28:09):
Yes, So while I was at the specialist, he had
a form that says that I allow him.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Right, I understand.
Speaker 14 (28:18):
I just said that.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
I just I just said that. I just said that.
Speaker 14 (28:21):
All right, Yes, I did while I was there.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Okay, what's your question?
Speaker 14 (28:25):
So my question? Okay, they still haven't sent it to him,
but I have a new appointment.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
How long ago?
Speaker 1 (28:32):
How long ago did he How long ago did he
request the medical records?
Speaker 14 (28:37):
About a week and a half to two weeks.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Yeah, I don't know. They can argue.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
That they have to copy them although everything is on
uh you know, everything is on as file now on
the computers and use the internet. So that's a little bit.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
I took myself.
Speaker 14 (28:57):
I could get itself to the records.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Okay, well.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
You can't because because because the records are with the
doctor that there that your new doctor is trying to
get information from. So there are no records for you
to get. There's there's no uh, it's not a public record.
Under hippo rules, you can't find it out where the
violation here in this violation of federal law. There in
(29:24):
violation of HIPPA And that's no small deal. By the way,
what's wrong with you, Madeline?
Speaker 14 (29:33):
We don't know yet?
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Okay, So why did you go in?
Speaker 6 (29:36):
What?
Speaker 2 (29:37):
What are you complaining about? Are you you know?
Speaker 14 (29:39):
I had chest pain? Okay, got it?
Speaker 2 (29:42):
All right, I'm just curious, all right, all right, I
got it. I was just curious. I'm just curious. All right.
So here's here's what you do.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
I would call the first doctor the emergency room and say,
you guys are in violation of HIPPA laws.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
And then I would complain to the metal board.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
I mean, it's uh, the state of California, assuming you're
in California, and every state has a regulatory agency over
doctors and over hospitals, and I would make a complaint
because this is a serious violation. This is no this
is a no joke violation. So that's where I would go.
Speaker 14 (30:18):
And I went to the hospital to the records and
I said, should I have that? They said, no, no, ways,
you said it through the computer. I said, I know,
I said, but I'll just give it to me and
I'll just walk it to the doctor.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Okay, But here's what they can do. Then then they
have to copy it and hand it to you. And
I think they can they charge you for copy maybe,
but la, I mean the big one, The big one
is that the new doctor asking for those medical records
(30:53):
and the refusal to give them the medical records.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
That's the violation. Also, you're entitled.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Now, who did you go to to get your medical records?
Speaker 14 (31:06):
I went to medical records at the hospital.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, everybody's in violation here.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
I'd call the medical authorities, uh, the people that over
oversee doctors, hospitals. I don't know the name of it,
but absolutely whoa. I can't imagine medical facilities saying no, no,
we're not interested in giving you your medical records, or
we're not going to give your new doctor who is
(31:34):
a specialist, your medical records.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
It sounds like crazy.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Hey, while we're talking about medical and medicine, there's syndrome
out there, or in general, people suffer pain and they
suffer chronic pain, which means all the time. And then
get pretty serious. And I have someone I know very well, Lindsey,
and she deals with this chron of paint chronic pain
(32:00):
twenty four to seven. So what she did is create
the Pain Game Podcast, and it is about helping not
only her through this podcast, but helping people who live
in chronic pain or.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Or have a loved one or know someone who does.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
And if that's the case, I'm gonna suggest you listen
to The Pain Game Podcast. Every episode ends with a
message of hope and that is tough when you hurt
like this. And then you'll understand that the show is
about giving pain purpose. I know that's counterintuitive, but it
is a different way of looking at your pain. And
boy does this work. It's the Pain Game Podcast. You
(32:40):
can follow on social at the Pain Game Podcast.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Season three wrapping up right now.
Speaker 6 (32:46):
Eight.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Season four is.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Coming up, and that is going to be nothing short
of amazing. The Pain Game Podcast, The Pain Game Podcast.
This is Handle on the Law.
Speaker 12 (33:00):
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