April 11, 2025 • 29 mins
This week on Best Bets for Pets, host Michelle Fern chats with Dr. Evan Zhao, Co-Founder of Pacagen, the revolutionary biotech brand helping cat lovers breathe easier—literally! After his wife’s severe cat allergies nearly derailed their adoption of British Shorthair Miaomiao, Dr. Zhao used science to solve the problem, creating Pacagen’s Cat Allergen Neutralizing Spray. Now, their new Cat Food Topper delivers 98% effectiveness in reducing allergens. Learn how innovation, love, and a little biotech magic are changing life for allergic cat parents everywhere!
EPISODE NOTES: Cat Allergies, Solved! Pacagen’s Purr-fect Solution
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EPISODE NOTES: Cat Allergies, Solved! Pacagen’s Purr-fect Solution
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
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of us that have dogs and cats have allergies, but
this is for those that have cats that have allergies,
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Speaker 2 (01:41):
Welcome back, everyone. I'd like to welcome doctor Evan Zao.
He is the co founder a Packaging So welcome, doctor Zao.
Speaker 5 (01:51):
We thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
So can you give us a little background on yourself.
Speaker 5 (01:54):
Yeah, my name's Avin. I'm a scientist by training. I
use to specialize biotechnology, and for the last four years
or so, I've been starting companies to create products that
could help people, so that could really help impact people's lives.
Around a year and a half ago we started Packaging,
which focuses on right now, a product that helps with
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reducing the amount of active cat allergens in an area.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Okay, so let's talk about cat allergies. I'm allergic to cats,
but it's more there for and the reason I did
actually do that allergy test, I guess it's the old
school one where you have dots that show up on
your arms. It was a long time ago. Are there
any other allergy tests?
Speaker 5 (02:35):
Yeah, there's they could do blood work, There's different things
that they can do try to figure out what you're
allergic to. But all of them the premise is does
your immune system react this specific allergen? So they'll take
a specific allergen from that organism. So whether it's a
plant or it's an animal and they'll expose you to
that allergen and then they'll see if you react to it.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Why is it that because a lot of people are
allergic to cats? A friend of mine, her allergy is
so extreme she's never seen my house and she just can't.
So why does it seem among us that cat allergies
are so much more traumatic than other allergies. And mine's
not too bad. I just get like a wheezy and
(03:20):
not itchy, but just wheezy because mine stems I think
from mild asthma. And I think it's I you know,
I have a lot. I have three of them, so
that's a lot, but it's it's dealable, as I say.
But some of people can't even go in a home
where a cat, you know, even cats outdoors and they
can't even still can't even come into the home. Why
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are cat allergies so extreme?
Speaker 5 (03:42):
Yeah? So alas in general, they are your body's way
of protecting itself from potential toxins, and naturally it's used
to try to rid yourself, for example, viruses or bacteria
that are trying to enter your body. If you think
about allergies symptoms, right, so like the you know, you know,
teary eyes, stuff, he knows, coughing, wheezing, right, trying, it's
(04:05):
trying to get whatever is in your body out of
your body, rights, trying to block the passages, trying to
get it out. And you know, unfortunately, allergies to animals
or allergies to plants, these are your body's immune system
mistakenly recognizing something from that organism that it now thinks
is a dangerous thing that it actually isn't a dangerous thing.
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Cat ouralogies are especially dangerous because there is one specific
allergen from that cat. It's called it's called Feldy one.
It's an extremely stable allergen, which means it doesn't really
get broken down, so it stays around forever. So you
probably have friends visited a house that had a cat
like ten years ago, and they still have the same reaction.
(04:50):
And this thing, you know, sticks around forever. The cat
releases it constantly, and it mostly releases it through its saliva,
but sometimes it sweats it out. And what you're referring
to is on the standard or it's fur. It actually
the cat actually licks itself, so the allergen will attach
to its fur. It'll attached to its standard and that's
how it spreads. Otherwise, allergens are really tiny proteins. They
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can't actually spread through the air, so they need to
attach itself to something. And the dander is just what
it attaches to. But it actually stems from a cat's
saliva and it needs to basically latch onto something to
do so. And unfortunately for us, the cats do lick
themselves frequently and so the dander just is able to
get everywhere. They're perfect sources of transportation for the allergen.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
They sure are. What is that called?
Speaker 5 (05:39):
It was it LD one LD one, so it's like
feline f e l D one.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
And appropriately named. And yes, cats are groomers. I think
I bathed Dennis twice. He's my long hair Maine coonish
kind of cat. He didn't like it, but the other
cats I'd be clawed to pieces if I tried to
even just try that. But with bathing your cat make
a difference.
Speaker 5 (06:04):
One hundred percent. Your goal is to try to get
rid of this allergen, and in almost all cases, an
allergen is a protein, and one really effective way is
to bathe the cat showered a cat. Unfortunately, again, you know,
it's easy to do that with dogs, and dogs don't
lick themselves as much as cats, and so for cats,
you have this really really stable protein, stable allergen. They
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like licking themselves and they don't like being bathed, So
you have this trifecta of things that makes it really dangerous.
There are other biological issues why felty one specifically is
a very good allergen, but it has to do with
how it activates your immune system. And it's just a
very unlucky circumstance.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
So how does this fealti one last even if a
cat was in the home like years ago? Here's an
example that came in my head, floated in my head.
If you buy a house and there were cat owners
maybe I don't know that lived in the home, not
their rec and cellar, but the seller, you know, the
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owner before, not the reason owner that's solding the house,
but the one before. Or is a cat with Could
that affect someone?
Speaker 5 (07:07):
Yeah? One hundred percent? Wow, Yeah, there are cases of
ten years, twenty years, and it's just it just so
happens to be an extremely stable protein. It's just something
that like lasts a very long time and everything, you know,
everything degrades constantly, but this one degrades very very slowly,
and so unless you are constantly exposing the house to
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very high temperatures, very high moisture, or other crazy conditions, yeah,
that protein is probably gonna stay there. You know, it's
not going to all stay there. But for example, I
don't know what the actual numbers would be, but you
might have still like twenty percent of the amount of
allergen that was in a house ten years later. It's
a portion of it, but that twenty percent could still
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set off your allergies. That twenty percent could still give
you really hard time.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Wow, And why are some of us so sensitive to
certain things to foudy one or you know, even other
things that affect our allergies and some of us are
just not bothered too much. So like, for example, I
can stand being with my cats, but I get that wheezy,
you know feeling, which is related to allergies. My friend
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can't even bother come in. She would be itchy, blowing up. Whatever.
Is it just that people's bodies react differently or is
it just I mean that will obviously people's bodies react differently,
But is it just the chemical makeup of each person
makes the change. Or how does this work.
Speaker 5 (08:35):
Of course, the way that your body secures itself is
through these bodyguard cells. So your body's made up of cells.
There are specific kinds of cells that are like bodyguards
that are trying to prevent people from get into a club.
And so these are called mass cells, but you can
think of them as like, you know, these mostly bodyguards.
They have little scanners, and the scanners basically scan everything
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that's trying to get through, and they've only let certain
things through. Other things, they'll overreact and they'll have this
I know you can imagine instead of like you know,
just punching the thing and you're trying to make sure
it's out of the club, it will randomly combust and
set off a set of allergic reactions to make sure
this thing definitely doesn't get in. That's your body's natural
immune system. The scanners themselves were obtained in a previous instance,
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So in order to have this allergic reaction, you had
to have been exposed to this allergen at some point previously.
And so every person is exposed to different allergens as
a child, different things, and so every person has different
sets of the little scanners that the bodyguards are holding.
And so if you were exposed to munch of cats
earlier and your body, your bodyguards picked up those scanners
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in which it said, oh, if I see a cat allergien,
I'm gonna overreact. I'm gonna explode and cause it allergic reaction.
Then you're going to have more serious allergic reaction. In fact,
the way that you actually test for allergies is you
test for those scanners. So if you know that some
one has more scanners for the cat allergen, more likely
than not they're going to have very serious cat allergies.
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So the scanners are called igeas. There are a certain
type of immune protein, and if you have more of those,
then you are probably more allergic to that thing. That's
actually what all the allergy tests test for, and those
are the final readouts that you actually get, and so
you know, that's how your body's immune system works. That
all has to do with the history of your body,
how your immune system adapted, how it learned what was
(10:29):
bad and what was not bad, and unfortunately everybody has
different ways of doing that and it's a very complicated process.
And somehow, if your allergy cats, your body has now
filled with these scanners that say, if you see a
cat allergen overreact, it's a danger.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
So I wasn't exposed to cats younger. We didn't have cats.
My first cat was Dennis, which was thirteen years ago,
but we did have dogs. So if you're exposed to
not that allergen, but something close, does that make a difference.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
Actually, there is a you know, it's generally believed that
if you are exposed to an allergen as a child,
potentially you might have less allergies to that thing later.
Because the way that it works is as you mature,
So as you grow, your immuneism is also growing up.
And so the times in your life when you might
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randomly start assigning these scanners and believe that something's dangerous
for you, it depends on when you're exposed to that thing.
If you grow up around cats, actually pretty high likelihood
your body is going to say, hey, this thing is
around all the time. You know, it's probably not that
bad for you, and therefore let's not have as many
scanners for this thing around. And there's other methodology, there's
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other ways that your immune system is able to prevent
that overreaction. So it's highly dependent on when you were exposed,
and that's probably more likely is you were exposed at
a later time point in your life to a cat,
and at that time point in your light, your body
was potentially overreacting to things, and so when it saw
that cat, it was like, Okay, this is the first
time we've seen this thing. It's probably bad for you.
(12:04):
Let's get some scanners in there. Let's make sure this
never gets into us ever again.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Wow, this is fascinating information about allergies, way more than
I ever expected to know about. So we're going to
take a quick break and we're going to come back
and talk about what led to their creation of packaging
and what's it about. So we'll be right back. Hey guys,
(12:28):
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Speaker 2 (13:54):
Welcome back everyone. We're talking to doctor Zao about allergies
and he also created a product. He's you're the co creator.
Speaker 5 (14:03):
Right, yes?
Speaker 2 (14:04):
With your wife?
Speaker 3 (14:05):
Yes?
Speaker 6 (14:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (14:05):
So how did you decide no, she's allergic to cats?
Speaker 5 (14:09):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Yes, So tell the story. How did you come to create?
You know say, okay, now I have to create a
product because my wife needs to be around cats.
Speaker 5 (14:19):
Yeah, I always say I'm a converted cat person because
I think prior to twenty twenty, I never thought I
was going to get a cat. I've always liked dogs
more and which you know, I don't know if I
should be staying in this podcast.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
That's okay me too. I mean I'm from you know,
maybe like two thousand and when did we get Dennis?
He found us? All my cats find me. I don't know,
probably the last fifteen years before that, I was dog
in kob.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
I mean, I love cats now, so so yo. It
was twenty twenty COVID hit. We were working from home,
My wife was working from home, and she said, maybe
we should get a pet, because you know, I'd love
to have someone to take care of, you know, when
especially as were home so often, and you know, at
the time, they basically said if you exit your house,
you will be killing people. So I felt like walking
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dogs were probably was probably not what I wanted to do,
and so I just searched, like, you know, kittens available
for adoption near me, and we found Yamyao was our cat,
and we brought them home and brought her home and
my wife was just pretty allergic to her, so she
was having an asthma attacks. She was really not reacting. Well,
(15:28):
we had no idea she was allergic for we got Mayamyao.
There was no way for us to know.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Does she have any other allergies or does she have
it like like mild asthma.
Speaker 5 (15:38):
She didn't have any of that. She uh run, yeah, nothing.
She actually thought I was going to be the allergic
one because I'm allergic seafood. And so we were really
shocked that she was allergic.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (15:48):
Yeah, life works in a mysterious ways.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
It sure does. It sured does. Okay, So then then
what happened? So you adopted a pretty short hair.
Speaker 5 (15:56):
Yep, her name is Mayamyao, and you know, we we
fell in love. She's she's perfect. And we we found
out my wife had allergies. You know, it got to
the point where my wife couldn't work out in the
house because the instance she worked out, she would have
an asthma tac. It was very, very intense. We tried everything,
so we were washing the sheets every day, we were,
you know, using all the products on the market for her,
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and it just wasn't helping that much. She ended up
just taking allergy pills, right, So she was taking clariton
every day, and I was looking into it, and my
wife's got a PhD malect topology, she was looking into
it too, and we we were like, this is such
an odd problem that people really haven't come up with
a solution from. It. Is this protein and proteins cause
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almost all the issues in your body. So you know,
when we're treating cancer, we're basically treating one protein. That's
just how all of our medicine has now been developed.
And so we were looking at this when we were like, okay,
so there's this external protein. It is messing with your
immune system and that's all it does. But this protein
isn't that important for cats to be happy, Like, you know,
you don't actually need it to be active in the
(16:58):
cat's body, and so it doesn't do anything to you,
like it actually has no reaction to your body. So
we saw this and we were like, well, we know
a lot of different ways to neutralize proteins to really
try to make sure that they are not active in
your body. One of the ways is we create a binder,
meaning if you have a protein of interest and it's
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causing issues, we can have something that binds to it
and it basically it's like duct tape. It like duct tapes.
Its mouth shut and it says, shut up, you're causing
issues in the body. Let's make sure you can go
through the body and not cause any harm. So we
found a lab that worked with outpack us to try
to discover these things. And I can go to more
details to interested in how our pacasts are involved. But
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we leverage outpactas to help us discover something new. No
a packats are really hurt, and we then manufacture it,
create a product out of it, and create a spray
so that you can spray the area in which you
have a bunch of catallergens. The spray duct tapes all
the mouths and all of these allergens, and it makes
it so that your body doesn't recognize it so you
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don't have the reaction. And so that was the creation
of it. We we found some friends and we were
able to get a little bit of funding. It costs
a bunch of money for us to do, and we
we got the product out and now a bunch of
people can live with cats more easily.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
I think that's incredible. So let's talk about how it
works and for what extreme Because there's people that are
going to say, you know what, I'm allergic cats. I've
been allergic forever. Nothing's going to change. So, yeah, we
have those naysayers. Then you have some that are going
to say, you know what, I want to give this
a shot because I like you, they've always wanted a
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cat and they're more open minded. So how do you
go about convincing someone. Sometimes it's someone in your home
or friend. You know, you got to try this, or
I'm going to try this and it works and you're
not going to have a problem.
Speaker 5 (18:52):
Yeah. So there are a couple of reasons why we
created this specific product. The first is everything else on
the market we saw there are many ways to destroy proteins,
and unfortunately, cat allergens are a very stable protein like
we were talking about, and so some of the other
things that people are selling. People are selling like bleach
to bleach to basically spray bleach in their house so
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that it kills the protein. Yeah. Yeah, that's one solution
for cat allergens is I guess you can just spray bleach.
Here's the problem with all those things is it's not
specific to the cat allergen, and so if you are
spraying something that kills proteins. You are made out of proteins.
Everything that makes us work as humans, those are proteins,
and so that's not going to be safe for you, right,
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you can obviously imagine it probably shouldn't be spraying everything
is concluding you like your cat, with something that just
degrades proteins. And so the thing that I love about
our solution and the reason we created it is we
use it every day, is it's very specific. The duct
tape only duct tapes the cat allergen. It does not
work with anything else. So people are always like, hey,
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will this work for dog allergens? It will not work
because the dog has a different allergen. And that's actually
what makes it great. It does not work for any
other protein and human body, it doesn't work for anything
else in any living organism. So it's completely safe for
somebody to use. So we my wife and I just
had a three month old newborn, and we use around
newborn because we know that the way that we developed it,
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it only binds that one thing, and it's very very
good at duct taping that one thing to make it
not work anymore.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Well, congratulations, you're a new parent.
Speaker 5 (20:27):
So it's been rough, but uh.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Yes, okay, So now let's go to the cat. As
we know, not true for mine, but most cats are finicky,
so you are the cat topper and the spray the topper.
Cats are finicky. Are they gonna like this? Are they
going to still eat? And how does it work? So
do you just sprinkle a little I love the packaging,
by the way, Sprinkle a little bit on their food
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and that's it. Once a day, twice a day.
Speaker 5 (20:58):
Yeah, think of it like a chicker, you you know,
once every day during the meal. Just put a little
bit on top while they're eating it. It will neutralize
the allergens in their mouths and therefore they'll you know,
and it also they'll spread it to the other place
of their body right after they eat, and you'll see
very nice results for free allergies.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
And about flavors, there's chicken flavor. What other kind of
flavors do you have? Or just this one for now?
Speaker 5 (21:23):
There's chicken for now. We are working very hard on
a fish flavor. We're trying to be very safe, and
it just turns out that the supply chain, so trying
to get fish and then trying to get fish powder
is much more difficult than chicken. Chicken is much more commonplace,
and so it's taken us a little longer for that.
We should have that available in a couple of months.
The fish.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
And how does the spray work.
Speaker 5 (21:44):
The spray it comes with a little powder packet. That
powder packet has the secret ingredient. It has the whisker block,
which is the special duct tape protein that will block
the active part of the allergen. And so you pour
that into the spray bottle. Add you add our stabilizing solution,
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which is something that helps our duct tape lasts longer,
and then you just spray the areas in which you want.
Alligi's virtualized. So, for example, my wife has a lot
of issues because Meamil is a very naughty cat. She
loves being on our bed. But if you're allergic to cats,
having you know, all over fern dander in the area
(22:25):
where you sleep not that great. So I actually use
the spray mostly on our bed, so I, you know,
of course, use a roller, roll up the fur, but
then I'll spray it and spray the bed so that
when my Mike goes to sleep she doesn't have this reaction.
But for example, if you have guests visiting the house
and they're going to sit on your couch, you can
spray your couch. You can unfortunately you can't a spray
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a cat. That would be a very great way of
making these work. Another way you can do it is
if you you know, if you've seen people put on
perfume or cologne. You can spray it into the air
and you can breathe it in and that will help
line your or lungs and different you know, the different
airways so that if it ever comes in contact with
the allergen, it will neutralize that response. And so there's
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multiple different ways to.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Use the spray so you can ingest it. Have you
thought about making I don't know, a dosage for humans.
Speaker 5 (23:18):
Yeah, we we're working on it. We we want to
be very careful with regulations, with testing, with all those
things we've done. All the safety doesn't know that it's
safe for humans, but we want to do probably another
clinical trial just to make extra certain, and then we
need to make sure we work with the right regulatory
bodies to make sure that it can be a good product.
But we're working on it right now.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
This has been such a fascinating show. What about other allergens.
So I know we're you know, catitude. You have cats,
so for some people, cats of course have the fee
line as you said, it's the fee line felt one,
and so that's much stronger than say, you know, if
someone's allergic to dogs. I don't know if people are allergic
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to other things like bunnies or iguanas. I know cats
and dogs are most common, but do you think you'd
come out with a dog version.
Speaker 5 (24:07):
Yeah, so dogs have two different major allergens. There's actually
two of them. They're called knine F one and canon
F two. So can F one can F two makes
it easier. Okay, yeah, they make it easy. I guess
they're two different proteins and two different allergens. They are
in the dog's saliva, and so there's less people allergic dogs.
(24:29):
But you know, obviously you don't want to be allergic
to dogs. We are going to be releasing a spray
for dog allergens as well. We did the entire research
process over again because it's a completely different allergen, and
we're really you know, we're hoping that we can help
people dog allergies as well. And then we're also working
on dust allergies.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Oh that's a good one.
Speaker 5 (24:49):
Yeah, it's much more gnarly than you can imagine. We're
excited about it. Do you want to hear about the
nastiness of dust allergens?
Speaker 2 (24:55):
I did that allergy test, the one where they put
the dots on your arm. I lit up. That's everywhere.
I didn't think I had any allergies, and I lit up.
And I'm allergic to grass dust. You know, dog fer
I take, and you know, an allergy pell but I
just deal with it. You know, we're right. With the cats,
it's a lot worse because I also have myolnasma, so
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I find myself wheezing around them every so often. And
again it's because I'm on the couch and that's where
they are. So there's more of that tell us about dust,
because whether you have a dog or a cat, or
a fish or bird, you have probably have dust in
your house.
Speaker 5 (25:30):
Yeah. I apologize to everybody listening for ruining your lives.
But you know the truth about dust is you're actually
not allergic to dust. Dust, you're allergic to dust mites.
And you're actually not allergic to the dust mites. You're
allergic to two allergens in their poop. So if you're
having dust allergic reactions, it's because you're reacting to their poop.
It is uh and it just so happens that it's
also a very dangerous reaction because remember what I said
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about other allergens. Other allergens are not actually harmful to you.
They're not doing anything to you. You're just having an
overreact one of the dust might allergens. So the thing
in one of the dust mites poop is called dr
so dust Might's their name. Put starts with der, so
it's DRP. One that is something that cuts things, So
it's called the protease. It cuts other proteins. And the
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reason it's causing a reaction is because it's cutting up
all of the linings in your lungs, all the linings
to all of your airways, and it's allowing other allergens
to get into your system. And so it's actually super dangerous.
If you are exposed to dust as a baby, you
have five times higher likelihood to get asthma. So it's
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an extremely terrible allergen to be around. And we did
entirely a different process to try to find something that
neutralizes the allergen activity. This time, so the actual ability
of the dust might allergen to cut through things. And
the thing that we found, which is going to be
in the dust spray that we're going to release in February,
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it neutralizes the activity of that cutting by seventy six percent.
So we're really hoping to help other people. Even if
you are allergic to dust, by the way, it's still
cutting things up. It cuts things up in everybody. It's
just that for forty percent of people, you just happen
to be overreactive to whatever it lets through.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
So even if you and this is not sorry, not
true me, I'll confess, even if you're spotless in your house,
they're still dust existing.
Speaker 5 (27:23):
So the study about the asthma, it's an excessive amount
of dust. So my guess is if you if you
have a spotless house, you're not gonna have enough of
the allergen in order to set off the issue. But yeah,
dust smite allergens also last a long time. The reason
they're good allergens is because they're extremely stable and so
they will cause issues. That's why people that's why people
recommend air purifiers, air filters. They actually are very good.
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I actually recommend most people get them because you really
don't want dust lying around. It's really bad for you.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
That's good to know. And yes, I do have an
air purifier. Time to get a new filter for that.
Tell us where this has been fascinating, Thank you so much.
Doctors out? Where can we find packaging?
Speaker 5 (28:06):
Right? Yeah? Package in generated generated?
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Right? Where can we find packaging?
Speaker 6 (28:11):
Sure?
Speaker 5 (28:11):
So we're available at some novelty pet shops, but you
can find us as well on our website packaging dot
com E A, C A g N dot com and uh,
you know, all of our products will be available there.
You can reach out to us on support. We're really
excited to talk to people and just to help people.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
This has been fascinating and you're scientists, so did delve
into there, but you made it very relatable to those
of us that are not scientists. So thank you so
much for coming on Best Bets for Pets and sharing
this knowledge. I hope you all enjoyed the show. This
has been fascinating. You're going to want to check this out.
Packaging it is simply incredible. I'm excited about it. Having
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catalogies and having people that have catalogies can now come over,
so check it out. I want to thank my guest
to doctor Evan South, thank you so much for coming
on Best Bets for Pets. I want to thank everyone
that's listening. Thank you so much for being a loyal
listener to Best Bets for Pets. I appreciate it so much.
I want to give thanks to my cat crew that
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you know, allergy or not. They keep me on my
toes and I love them, so thank you, Dennis, Charlotte, Mollie.
And thanks to my amazing producer that works his magic
and makes this show sound amazing. So thank you Mark Winter.
And you know ALERGI or not. Give your feline a hug.
Why not? And remember you'll never know what we'll have
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Welcome back, everyone. I'd like to welcome doctor Evan Zao.
He is the co founder a Packaging So welcome, doctor Zao.
Speaker 5 (01:51):
We thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
So can you give us a little background on yourself.
Speaker 5 (01:54):
Yeah, my name's Avin. I'm a scientist by training. I
use to specialize biotechnology, and for the last four years
or so, I've been starting companies to create products that
could help people, so that could really help impact people's lives.
Around a year and a half ago we started Packaging,
which focuses on right now, a product that helps with
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reducing the amount of active cat allergens in an area.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Okay, so let's talk about cat allergies. I'm allergic to cats,
but it's more there for and the reason I did
actually do that allergy test, I guess it's the old
school one where you have dots that show up on
your arms. It was a long time ago. Are there
any other allergy tests?
Speaker 5 (02:35):
Yeah, there's they could do blood work, There's different things
that they can do try to figure out what you're
allergic to. But all of them the premise is does
your immune system react this specific allergen? So they'll take
a specific allergen from that organism. So whether it's a
plant or it's an animal and they'll expose you to
that allergen and then they'll see if you react to it.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Why is it that because a lot of people are
allergic to cats? A friend of mine, her allergy is
so extreme she's never seen my house and she just can't.
So why does it seem among us that cat allergies
are so much more traumatic than other allergies. And mine's
not too bad. I just get like a wheezy and
(03:20):
not itchy, but just wheezy because mine stems I think
from mild asthma. And I think it's I you know,
I have a lot. I have three of them, so
that's a lot, but it's it's dealable, as I say.
But some of people can't even go in a home
where a cat, you know, even cats outdoors and they
can't even still can't even come into the home. Why
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are cat allergies so extreme?
Speaker 5 (03:42):
Yeah? So alas in general, they are your body's way
of protecting itself from potential toxins, and naturally it's used
to try to rid yourself, for example, viruses or bacteria
that are trying to enter your body. If you think
about allergies symptoms, right, so like the you know, you know,
teary eyes, stuff, he knows, coughing, wheezing, right, trying, it's
(04:05):
trying to get whatever is in your body out of
your body, rights, trying to block the passages, trying to
get it out. And you know, unfortunately, allergies to animals
or allergies to plants, these are your body's immune system
mistakenly recognizing something from that organism that it now thinks
is a dangerous thing that it actually isn't a dangerous thing.
(04:28):
Cat ouralogies are especially dangerous because there is one specific
allergen from that cat. It's called it's called Feldy one.
It's an extremely stable allergen, which means it doesn't really
get broken down, so it stays around forever. So you
probably have friends visited a house that had a cat
like ten years ago, and they still have the same reaction.
(04:50):
And this thing, you know, sticks around forever. The cat
releases it constantly, and it mostly releases it through its saliva,
but sometimes it sweats it out. And what you're referring
to is on the standard or it's fur. It actually
the cat actually licks itself, so the allergen will attach
to its fur. It'll attached to its standard and that's
how it spreads. Otherwise, allergens are really tiny proteins. They
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can't actually spread through the air, so they need to
attach itself to something. And the dander is just what
it attaches to. But it actually stems from a cat's
saliva and it needs to basically latch onto something to
do so. And unfortunately for us, the cats do lick
themselves frequently and so the dander just is able to
get everywhere. They're perfect sources of transportation for the allergen.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
They sure are. What is that called?
Speaker 5 (05:39):
It was it LD one LD one, so it's like
feline f e l D one.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
And appropriately named. And yes, cats are groomers. I think
I bathed Dennis twice. He's my long hair Maine coonish
kind of cat. He didn't like it, but the other
cats I'd be clawed to pieces if I tried to
even just try that. But with bathing your cat make
a difference.
Speaker 5 (06:04):
One hundred percent. Your goal is to try to get
rid of this allergen, and in almost all cases, an
allergen is a protein, and one really effective way is
to bathe the cat showered a cat. Unfortunately, again, you know,
it's easy to do that with dogs, and dogs don't
lick themselves as much as cats, and so for cats,
you have this really really stable protein, stable allergen. They
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like licking themselves and they don't like being bathed, So
you have this trifecta of things that makes it really dangerous.
There are other biological issues why felty one specifically is
a very good allergen, but it has to do with
how it activates your immune system. And it's just a
very unlucky circumstance.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
So how does this fealti one last even if a
cat was in the home like years ago? Here's an
example that came in my head, floated in my head.
If you buy a house and there were cat owners
maybe I don't know that lived in the home, not
their rec and cellar, but the seller, you know, the
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owner before, not the reason owner that's solding the house,
but the one before. Or is a cat with Could
that affect someone?
Speaker 5 (07:07):
Yeah? One hundred percent? Wow, Yeah, there are cases of
ten years, twenty years, and it's just it just so
happens to be an extremely stable protein. It's just something
that like lasts a very long time and everything, you know,
everything degrades constantly, but this one degrades very very slowly,
and so unless you are constantly exposing the house to
(07:29):
very high temperatures, very high moisture, or other crazy conditions, yeah,
that protein is probably gonna stay there. You know, it's
not going to all stay there. But for example, I
don't know what the actual numbers would be, but you
might have still like twenty percent of the amount of
allergen that was in a house ten years later. It's
a portion of it, but that twenty percent could still
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set off your allergies. That twenty percent could still give
you really hard time.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Wow, And why are some of us so sensitive to
certain things to foudy one or you know, even other
things that affect our allergies and some of us are
just not bothered too much. So like, for example, I
can stand being with my cats, but I get that wheezy,
you know feeling, which is related to allergies. My friend
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can't even bother come in. She would be itchy, blowing up. Whatever.
Is it just that people's bodies react differently or is
it just I mean that will obviously people's bodies react differently,
But is it just the chemical makeup of each person
makes the change. Or how does this work.
Speaker 5 (08:35):
Of course, the way that your body secures itself is
through these bodyguard cells. So your body's made up of cells.
There are specific kinds of cells that are like bodyguards
that are trying to prevent people from get into a club.
And so these are called mass cells, but you can
think of them as like, you know, these mostly bodyguards.
They have little scanners, and the scanners basically scan everything
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that's trying to get through, and they've only let certain
things through. Other things, they'll overreact and they'll have this
I know you can imagine instead of like you know,
just punching the thing and you're trying to make sure
it's out of the club, it will randomly combust and
set off a set of allergic reactions to make sure
this thing definitely doesn't get in. That's your body's natural
immune system. The scanners themselves were obtained in a previous instance,
(09:21):
So in order to have this allergic reaction, you had
to have been exposed to this allergen at some point previously.
And so every person is exposed to different allergens as
a child, different things, and so every person has different
sets of the little scanners that the bodyguards are holding.
And so if you were exposed to munch of cats
earlier and your body, your bodyguards picked up those scanners
(09:44):
in which it said, oh, if I see a cat allergien,
I'm gonna overreact. I'm gonna explode and cause it allergic reaction.
Then you're going to have more serious allergic reaction. In fact,
the way that you actually test for allergies is you
test for those scanners. So if you know that some
one has more scanners for the cat allergen, more likely
than not they're going to have very serious cat allergies.
(10:06):
So the scanners are called igeas. There are a certain
type of immune protein, and if you have more of those,
then you are probably more allergic to that thing. That's
actually what all the allergy tests test for, and those
are the final readouts that you actually get, and so
you know, that's how your body's immune system works. That
all has to do with the history of your body,
how your immune system adapted, how it learned what was
(10:29):
bad and what was not bad, and unfortunately everybody has
different ways of doing that and it's a very complicated process.
And somehow, if your allergy cats, your body has now
filled with these scanners that say, if you see a
cat allergen overreact, it's a danger.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
So I wasn't exposed to cats younger. We didn't have cats.
My first cat was Dennis, which was thirteen years ago,
but we did have dogs. So if you're exposed to
not that allergen, but something close, does that make a difference.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
Actually, there is a you know, it's generally believed that
if you are exposed to an allergen as a child,
potentially you might have less allergies to that thing later.
Because the way that it works is as you mature,
So as you grow, your immuneism is also growing up.
And so the times in your life when you might
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randomly start assigning these scanners and believe that something's dangerous
for you, it depends on when you're exposed to that thing.
If you grow up around cats, actually pretty high likelihood
your body is going to say, hey, this thing is
around all the time. You know, it's probably not that
bad for you, and therefore let's not have as many
scanners for this thing around. And there's other methodology, there's
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other ways that your immune system is able to prevent
that overreaction. So it's highly dependent on when you were exposed,
and that's probably more likely is you were exposed at
a later time point in your life to a cat,
and at that time point in your light, your body
was potentially overreacting to things, and so when it saw
that cat, it was like, Okay, this is the first
time we've seen this thing. It's probably bad for you.
(12:04):
Let's get some scanners in there. Let's make sure this
never gets into us ever again.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Wow, this is fascinating information about allergies, way more than
I ever expected to know about. So we're going to
take a quick break and we're going to come back
and talk about what led to their creation of packaging
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Speaker 2 (13:54):
Welcome back everyone. We're talking to doctor Zao about allergies
and he also created a product. He's you're the co creator.
Speaker 5 (14:03):
Right, yes?
Speaker 2 (14:04):
With your wife?
Speaker 3 (14:05):
Yes?
Speaker 6 (14:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (14:05):
So how did you decide no, she's allergic to cats?
Speaker 5 (14:09):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Yes, So tell the story. How did you come to create?
You know say, okay, now I have to create a
product because my wife needs to be around cats.
Speaker 5 (14:19):
Yeah, I always say I'm a converted cat person because
I think prior to twenty twenty, I never thought I
was going to get a cat. I've always liked dogs
more and which you know, I don't know if I
should be staying in this podcast.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
That's okay me too. I mean I'm from you know,
maybe like two thousand and when did we get Dennis?
He found us? All my cats find me. I don't know,
probably the last fifteen years before that, I was dog
in kob.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
I mean, I love cats now, so so yo. It
was twenty twenty COVID hit. We were working from home,
My wife was working from home, and she said, maybe
we should get a pet, because you know, I'd love
to have someone to take care of, you know, when
especially as were home so often, and you know, at
the time, they basically said if you exit your house,
you will be killing people. So I felt like walking
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dogs were probably was probably not what I wanted to do,
and so I just searched, like, you know, kittens available
for adoption near me, and we found Yamyao was our cat,
and we brought them home and brought her home and
my wife was just pretty allergic to her, so she
was having an asthma attacks. She was really not reacting. Well,
(15:28):
we had no idea she was allergic for we got Mayamyao.
There was no way for us to know.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Does she have any other allergies or does she have
it like like mild asthma.
Speaker 5 (15:38):
She didn't have any of that. She uh run, yeah, nothing.
She actually thought I was going to be the allergic
one because I'm allergic seafood. And so we were really
shocked that she was allergic.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (15:48):
Yeah, life works in a mysterious ways.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
It sure does. It sured does. Okay, So then then
what happened? So you adopted a pretty short hair.
Speaker 5 (15:56):
Yep, her name is Mayamyao, and you know, we we
fell in love. She's she's perfect. And we we found
out my wife had allergies. You know, it got to
the point where my wife couldn't work out in the
house because the instance she worked out, she would have
an asthma tac. It was very, very intense. We tried everything,
so we were washing the sheets every day, we were,
you know, using all the products on the market for her,
(16:17):
and it just wasn't helping that much. She ended up
just taking allergy pills, right, So she was taking clariton
every day, and I was looking into it, and my
wife's got a PhD malect topology, she was looking into
it too, and we we were like, this is such
an odd problem that people really haven't come up with
a solution from. It. Is this protein and proteins cause
(16:38):
almost all the issues in your body. So you know,
when we're treating cancer, we're basically treating one protein. That's
just how all of our medicine has now been developed.
And so we were looking at this when we were like, okay,
so there's this external protein. It is messing with your
immune system and that's all it does. But this protein
isn't that important for cats to be happy, Like, you know,
you don't actually need it to be active in the
(16:58):
cat's body, and so it doesn't do anything to you,
like it actually has no reaction to your body. So
we saw this and we were like, well, we know
a lot of different ways to neutralize proteins to really
try to make sure that they are not active in
your body. One of the ways is we create a binder,
meaning if you have a protein of interest and it's
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causing issues, we can have something that binds to it
and it basically it's like duct tape. It like duct tapes.
Its mouth shut and it says, shut up, you're causing
issues in the body. Let's make sure you can go
through the body and not cause any harm. So we
found a lab that worked with outpack us to try
to discover these things. And I can go to more
details to interested in how our pacasts are involved. But
(17:41):
we leverage outpactas to help us discover something new. No
a packats are really hurt, and we then manufacture it,
create a product out of it, and create a spray
so that you can spray the area in which you
have a bunch of catallergens. The spray duct tapes all
the mouths and all of these allergens, and it makes
it so that your body doesn't recognize it so you
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don't have the reaction. And so that was the creation
of it. We we found some friends and we were
able to get a little bit of funding. It costs
a bunch of money for us to do, and we
we got the product out and now a bunch of
people can live with cats more easily.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
I think that's incredible. So let's talk about how it
works and for what extreme Because there's people that are
going to say, you know what, I'm allergic cats. I've
been allergic forever. Nothing's going to change. So, yeah, we
have those naysayers. Then you have some that are going
to say, you know what, I want to give this
a shot because I like you, they've always wanted a
(18:38):
cat and they're more open minded. So how do you
go about convincing someone. Sometimes it's someone in your home
or friend. You know, you got to try this, or
I'm going to try this and it works and you're
not going to have a problem.
Speaker 5 (18:52):
Yeah. So there are a couple of reasons why we
created this specific product. The first is everything else on
the market we saw there are many ways to destroy proteins,
and unfortunately, cat allergens are a very stable protein like
we were talking about, and so some of the other
things that people are selling. People are selling like bleach
to bleach to basically spray bleach in their house so
(19:13):
that it kills the protein. Yeah. Yeah, that's one solution
for cat allergens is I guess you can just spray bleach.
Here's the problem with all those things is it's not
specific to the cat allergen, and so if you are
spraying something that kills proteins. You are made out of proteins.
Everything that makes us work as humans, those are proteins,
and so that's not going to be safe for you, right,
(19:35):
you can obviously imagine it probably shouldn't be spraying everything
is concluding you like your cat, with something that just
degrades proteins. And so the thing that I love about
our solution and the reason we created it is we
use it every day, is it's very specific. The duct
tape only duct tapes the cat allergen. It does not
work with anything else. So people are always like, hey,
(19:57):
will this work for dog allergens? It will not work
because the dog has a different allergen. And that's actually
what makes it great. It does not work for any
other protein and human body, it doesn't work for anything
else in any living organism. So it's completely safe for
somebody to use. So we my wife and I just
had a three month old newborn, and we use around
newborn because we know that the way that we developed it,
(20:19):
it only binds that one thing, and it's very very
good at duct taping that one thing to make it
not work anymore.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Well, congratulations, you're a new parent.
Speaker 5 (20:27):
So it's been rough, but uh.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Yes, okay, So now let's go to the cat. As
we know, not true for mine, but most cats are finicky,
so you are the cat topper and the spray the topper.
Cats are finicky. Are they gonna like this? Are they
going to still eat? And how does it work? So
do you just sprinkle a little I love the packaging,
by the way, Sprinkle a little bit on their food
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and that's it. Once a day, twice a day.
Speaker 5 (20:58):
Yeah, think of it like a chicker, you you know,
once every day during the meal. Just put a little
bit on top while they're eating it. It will neutralize
the allergens in their mouths and therefore they'll you know,
and it also they'll spread it to the other place
of their body right after they eat, and you'll see
very nice results for free allergies.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
And about flavors, there's chicken flavor. What other kind of
flavors do you have? Or just this one for now?
Speaker 5 (21:23):
There's chicken for now. We are working very hard on
a fish flavor. We're trying to be very safe, and
it just turns out that the supply chain, so trying
to get fish and then trying to get fish powder
is much more difficult than chicken. Chicken is much more commonplace,
and so it's taken us a little longer for that.
We should have that available in a couple of months.
The fish.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
And how does the spray work.
Speaker 5 (21:44):
The spray it comes with a little powder packet. That
powder packet has the secret ingredient. It has the whisker block,
which is the special duct tape protein that will block
the active part of the allergen. And so you pour
that into the spray bottle. Add you add our stabilizing solution,
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which is something that helps our duct tape lasts longer,
and then you just spray the areas in which you want.
Alligi's virtualized. So, for example, my wife has a lot
of issues because Meamil is a very naughty cat. She
loves being on our bed. But if you're allergic to cats,
having you know, all over fern dander in the area
(22:25):
where you sleep not that great. So I actually use
the spray mostly on our bed, so I, you know,
of course, use a roller, roll up the fur, but
then I'll spray it and spray the bed so that
when my Mike goes to sleep she doesn't have this reaction.
But for example, if you have guests visiting the house
and they're going to sit on your couch, you can
spray your couch. You can unfortunately you can't a spray
(22:48):
a cat. That would be a very great way of
making these work. Another way you can do it is
if you you know, if you've seen people put on
perfume or cologne. You can spray it into the air
and you can breathe it in and that will help
line your or lungs and different you know, the different
airways so that if it ever comes in contact with
the allergen, it will neutralize that response. And so there's
(23:11):
multiple different ways to.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Use the spray so you can ingest it. Have you
thought about making I don't know, a dosage for humans.
Speaker 5 (23:18):
Yeah, we we're working on it. We we want to
be very careful with regulations, with testing, with all those
things we've done. All the safety doesn't know that it's
safe for humans, but we want to do probably another
clinical trial just to make extra certain, and then we
need to make sure we work with the right regulatory
bodies to make sure that it can be a good product.
But we're working on it right now.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
This has been such a fascinating show. What about other allergens.
So I know we're you know, catitude. You have cats,
so for some people, cats of course have the fee
line as you said, it's the fee line felt one,
and so that's much stronger than say, you know, if
someone's allergic to dogs. I don't know if people are allergic
(23:59):
to other things like bunnies or iguanas. I know cats
and dogs are most common, but do you think you'd
come out with a dog version.
Speaker 5 (24:07):
Yeah, so dogs have two different major allergens. There's actually
two of them. They're called knine F one and canon
F two. So can F one can F two makes
it easier. Okay, yeah, they make it easy. I guess
they're two different proteins and two different allergens. They are
in the dog's saliva, and so there's less people allergic dogs.
(24:29):
But you know, obviously you don't want to be allergic
to dogs. We are going to be releasing a spray
for dog allergens as well. We did the entire research
process over again because it's a completely different allergen, and
we're really you know, we're hoping that we can help
people dog allergies as well. And then we're also working
on dust allergies.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Oh that's a good one.
Speaker 5 (24:49):
Yeah, it's much more gnarly than you can imagine. We're
excited about it. Do you want to hear about the
nastiness of dust allergens?
Speaker 2 (24:55):
I did that allergy test, the one where they put
the dots on your arm. I lit up. That's everywhere.
I didn't think I had any allergies, and I lit up.
And I'm allergic to grass dust. You know, dog fer
I take, and you know, an allergy pell but I
just deal with it. You know, we're right. With the cats,
it's a lot worse because I also have myolnasma, so
(25:16):
I find myself wheezing around them every so often. And
again it's because I'm on the couch and that's where
they are. So there's more of that tell us about dust,
because whether you have a dog or a cat, or
a fish or bird, you have probably have dust in
your house.
Speaker 5 (25:30):
Yeah. I apologize to everybody listening for ruining your lives.
But you know the truth about dust is you're actually
not allergic to dust. Dust, you're allergic to dust mites.
And you're actually not allergic to the dust mites. You're
allergic to two allergens in their poop. So if you're
having dust allergic reactions, it's because you're reacting to their poop.
It is uh and it just so happens that it's
also a very dangerous reaction because remember what I said
(25:53):
about other allergens. Other allergens are not actually harmful to you.
They're not doing anything to you. You're just having an
overreact one of the dust might allergens. So the thing
in one of the dust mites poop is called dr
so dust Might's their name. Put starts with der, so
it's DRP. One that is something that cuts things, So
it's called the protease. It cuts other proteins. And the
(26:16):
reason it's causing a reaction is because it's cutting up
all of the linings in your lungs, all the linings
to all of your airways, and it's allowing other allergens
to get into your system. And so it's actually super dangerous.
If you are exposed to dust as a baby, you
have five times higher likelihood to get asthma. So it's
(26:36):
an extremely terrible allergen to be around. And we did
entirely a different process to try to find something that
neutralizes the allergen activity. This time, so the actual ability
of the dust might allergen to cut through things. And
the thing that we found, which is going to be
in the dust spray that we're going to release in February,
(26:57):
it neutralizes the activity of that cutting by seventy six percent.
So we're really hoping to help other people. Even if
you are allergic to dust, by the way, it's still
cutting things up. It cuts things up in everybody. It's
just that for forty percent of people, you just happen
to be overreactive to whatever it lets through.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
So even if you and this is not sorry, not
true me, I'll confess, even if you're spotless in your house,
they're still dust existing.
Speaker 5 (27:23):
So the study about the asthma, it's an excessive amount
of dust. So my guess is if you if you
have a spotless house, you're not gonna have enough of
the allergen in order to set off the issue. But yeah,
dust smite allergens also last a long time. The reason
they're good allergens is because they're extremely stable and so
they will cause issues. That's why people that's why people
recommend air purifiers, air filters. They actually are very good.
(27:47):
I actually recommend most people get them because you really
don't want dust lying around. It's really bad for you.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
That's good to know. And yes, I do have an
air purifier. Time to get a new filter for that.
Tell us where this has been fascinating, Thank you so much.
Doctors out? Where can we find packaging?
Speaker 5 (28:06):
Right? Yeah? Package in generated generated?
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Right? Where can we find packaging?
Speaker 6 (28:11):
Sure?
Speaker 5 (28:11):
So we're available at some novelty pet shops, but you
can find us as well on our website packaging dot
com E A, C A g N dot com and uh,
you know, all of our products will be available there.
You can reach out to us on support. We're really
excited to talk to people and just to help people.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
This has been fascinating and you're scientists, so did delve
into there, but you made it very relatable to those
of us that are not scientists. So thank you so
much for coming on Best Bets for Pets and sharing
this knowledge. I hope you all enjoyed the show. This
has been fascinating. You're going to want to check this out.
Packaging it is simply incredible. I'm excited about it. Having
(28:53):
catalogies and having people that have catalogies can now come over,
so check it out. I want to thank my guest
to doctor Evan South, thank you so much for coming
on Best Bets for Pets. I want to thank everyone
that's listening. Thank you so much for being a loyal
listener to Best Bets for Pets. I appreciate it so much.
I want to give thanks to my cat crew that
(29:15):
you know, allergy or not. They keep me on my
toes and I love them, so thank you, Dennis, Charlotte, Mollie.
And thanks to my amazing producer that works his magic
and makes this show sound amazing. So thank you Mark Winter.
And you know ALERGI or not. Give your feline a hug.
Why not? And remember you'll never know what we'll have
(29:36):
next on Best Bets for Pets.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
Let's talk bets every week on demand only on pet
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