March 26, 2021 • 40 mins
There is a dog club for every dog owners. Clubs for German Shepherd owners, people interested in agility, clubs for therapy dog owners; clubs for everything. Let's define what certain kinds of clubs are, who could benefit, and why you might want to join one. And of course, how to avoid the politics.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Pet Life Radio. Let's talk pets.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Hi, welcome to It's a Doggy Dog World. I'm your host,
Liz Poleika, and with me today are my good friends
Peter Berg and Kate Abbitt. And today we're going to
talk about dog clubs, and we're gonna have to have
a little bit of a definition first. So obviously, a
dog club is four people who own dogs who have
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something in common. So it could be five people, it
could be fifty people, could be five hundred people. Multiple
It could be a dog breed club like a club
for Golden Retrieve owners, or it could be a dog
activity club like people that are interested in flyball competition.
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Or it could be a shoots in club, which is
for people and their dogs who want to participate in
the sport of shits in. Some dog breed clubs also
include activities like Newfoundland's. Newfoundland clubs often include information on
confirmation showing dog shows like you see on TV at Westminster,
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obedience competition, water rescue and karting, or draft dog information.
Sometimes they give the clubs actually give lessons, or sometimes
the clubs will bring in a trainer. So there's a
variety of different types of clubs. But just as we're
talking about it. Remember, dog club is for all dogs
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and people. A dog breed club is specifically for one breed.
And then the activity clubs include a specific activity or activities.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
So while you're saying that, I'm just thinking about the
granddaddy of clubs, The American Kennel Club.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Is the American Club. Right. They started as a confirmation
dog show club. Multiple breeds, it was in the beginning
primarily terriers, but multiple different breeds of terriers. Boy, I
pulled that out of my head. And then the word
that's used when they add a new breed is recognized,
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and there's a process for a breed to go through
to become recognized.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
The breed has to create its own breed standard, which
is the description of the perfect dog of that breed.
So you have to get a committee together.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
To another club. You have to have a minor club,
a breed club that creates a standard, and they have
to register individual dogs with that breed club for a
period of time, document breeding, so forth and so on,
and then they can apply to the American Kennel Club
to be recognized. It's quite the process. It's quite do.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
They have to have a minimum number of people in
the club.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Yes, I can't tell you what that is. That that
that's not coming out of my head at the moment. Yes,
so it needs to be more than that. And then
many of the other large breed clubs like that are
the similar the International one f c I and please
don't ask me to pronounce it because I can't. It's French,
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and I took French in high school, but that was
a long time ago in the galaxy far far away.
And then there's the United Kennel Club also here in
the US, and the Kennel Club all capitalized in Great Britain.
That's the Granddaddy, that was one of the if not
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the original, So there's a variety. Now patro and I
both belong to the English Shepherd Club. And the English
Shepherd Club is different in the way that it doesn't
promote confirmation dog shows. It promotes the breed's working ability.
In fact, if you also not wanting to do confirmation, yeah,
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the farm dog. But they do promote other activities such
as obedience and rally and hurting instinct tests and things
like that, because those all relate to working ability and
the partnership dog and owner. If you don't have a partnership,
and some you and your dog aren't talking together. You
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can't take your dog out to a herd of sheep
and expect him to do what you would like him
to do. If you want to move those sheep from
the big field to a small round pen to vaccinate,
or to the barn to get them out of the blizzard,
you've got to be able to communicate to your dog.
So the English Shepherd Club, and they're not totally unique
with that. There are other breeds that promote the working,
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versatile dog versus just the show dog. So yeah, yeah,
border colors did uh huh. There's also some field dogs
like the Red and White Setters or the red Setters
that used to be Irish Setters. Yeah. And the Jack
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Russell Terrier has several branches, the Jack Russell, the Parsons,
the Russell. Yeah. Yeah, not all of them promote confirmation showing.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
So it also it seemed to me that looking at
these things that the breed clubs they share say genetic
information about who's breeding true, whose line is showed up
with problems.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Well, most of the breed clubs have a breed committee.
So the Australian Shepherd has a very, very active and
was one of the first and the best to have
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a breed research investigative type of a branch, and they
still do so. As problems started popping up in the offsees,
they started researching cancer, for one. But even though they
have this awesome committee, it is taboo to name a
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specific breeder because you don't want to point a finger.
How can you be one hundred percent correct that the
information you're sharing is come from one breeder or did
it come from down the lines ahead of her?
Speaker 3 (07:05):
So you can talk about the lineage that's showing some
well it's just not good. It might be slender.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Well, it could be slender libel or it could be
laying blame where maybe future research doesn't show that. What
it does encourage is people talk to each other. It
doesn't have to be.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Maybe encourage the kind of health tests that would be
good for your breeding.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Yes, and like the English Shepherd encourages that, they encourage
using one of the genetic tests that shows I know
more about my dog's genetics than I do my own.
I'm not sure if I want to know that much
about my own.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
It would have been nice to have that when we were.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
When we were an Aussies. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Yeah, because there are genetically linked health issues.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
There are health issues that are soon to be genetically
linked MDR one cancer perhaps, epilepsy perhaps, But there's still
so much research that needs to be done. But the
biggest thing is the breeders need to talk to each
other and share information with each other, and the clubs
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do encourage that. There's also most clubs also have what
they call a breeder's code of ethics, which is that
shall not breed a dog that has blo blah blah blah.
And I think most ethical breeders do that. We've known
quite a few who have done that. We've known a few.
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You and I have each had an Australian shepherd that
came from similar lines that had significant health issues and
when we contacted that breeder, she immediately spade that bitch
or other puppy right, and yes, those puppies that are
been produced, but she made sure that bitch wasn't going
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to produce again. That to me is ethical. So the
communication is important. But many dog breed clubs also sponsor
or fund health research. I know the Golden Retriever clubs
doing it a lot because goldens have a lot of
issues right now, and the Golden Clubs are probably up
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there in promoting health research. Black retrievers, flock coded retrievers
do a lot of Bernice, mountain dogs, German shepherds, so
they do help promote that. The American Kennel Club one
of the better things that they've done as far as
I'm concerned, is they do have a health branch and
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they fund research into a lot of the problems that
affect dogs. Some may be specific breeds, some might affect
a family of breeds, like perhaps all retrievers might have
something in common, or like the MDR one, many of
the herting breeds may have something in common. So for
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our listeners, no, I don't remember what the letters stand for.
It's a it is a gene that can be carried.
There's an old saying. It's been around for a long time,
a farmer's saying. If a herding dog has white toes
or white feet, then be leary that he could carry
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the MDR one gene. So ossies, English shepherds, border collies,
many of the other breeds that might have white toes.
Beware that that is a breed that could potentially carry it,
and what it does is it causes the dog to
react badly to many medications.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
So it's it's a multi drug resistant mutation.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
One woo, there we go. Thank God for good, thank
God for Google. So for example, I've Remecin is commonly
used as an anti parasitic drug and MDR one. Dogs
should never get ivermecin. It can cause neurological problems, it
can be fatal personally.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Is also used with horses.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
And the dog right with sheep or sheep, Yeah, because
we had heard about somebody whose dog ate some sheep
just short after they were myself, My dogs have all
had the genetic test to show that they're not carrying
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that gene, so they're free of it. But I'm still
I still don't give them those medications because I've known
people who've had dogs that were supposedly free of it
via the test and still have reactions. Prinds of ours
that are in class with the new puppy right now.
One of their dogs, one of their Australian shepherds, had
very very bad neurological ractions, so they not show up.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
But there's a breed tendency perhaps.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Yes, yes, And again if you have a breed that
could potentially be carrying the MPR one gene. The genetic
tests will test for that.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
I just had a thought here, I'm making a nook.
I've often told people through the years that if they
are interested in a breed, go find a club or
a group that specializes in rescuing that breed.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
I'm sure they know the good, the bad, and the ugly.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
You go sometimes the bread will tell you most of
the good and kind of.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
When I was researching one of my books, plug Here,
the How Old Book of Dogs, I did more research
for that book than I've done for any of my
other writing assignments. And I talked to breeders, interviewed breeders.
But breeders are often very enthused about their breed, obviously
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because they loved the breed. But I would also talk
to trainers, Hey have you seen any such and such
breed and what do you think of that breed? And
sometimes I had to make several calls, especially if it
was a rare breed, to get some information. I also
talked to the breed clubs, and I talked to the
rescue clubs, and for some breeds when I really had questions,
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especially about health. I talked to veterinarians, so four to
five different sources, the breeder, the breed club, the rescue club,
trainers and sometimes vets. You need to get out of
the circle of admiration, so to speak, to get the
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nitty gritty. And that's actually when I started to fall
in love with the English Shepherd. When I was researching
that breed, I didn't have one yet, but remember Caleb, Yes,
we had one come through our classes and I had
just finished researching that section for the Hall Book a dog,
and I went, that's an English Shepherd and they got
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him in a shelter. They didn't know. They said, well,
they said border Collie cross and I said, no, he's not.
And then I, uh, out here in the West Coast, Well,
they're very well known in our little pocket in the world.
And then there were a few other breeds that were
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not well known, and I had to dig a little farther.
But yeah, talk to breeders, talk to breed clubs. Then
get out of that circle of influence and talk to
other people. Call three or four or five trainers in
your area. Have you ever seen a blots of hound?
What do you think of him? What do they seem
like to train. Do they house train easily?
Speaker 3 (14:51):
You know me and my weird analogies. I'm like, okay,
you go to the showroom and talk about what the
new car is like. Then you go to a mechanic
and say how many of these.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Have you worked on?
Speaker 3 (15:01):
Right?
Speaker 4 (15:02):
How can you talk to the owner's own it and said, well,
how you like it? How long have you owned it?
And how do you like it? You did that when you're.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
When I was researching my when I was getting ready
to trade in my F one fifty and was looking
for a mid size suv, I talked to everybody, including
I would talk to people in the parking lot of
the grocery store. When lady got out of a particular
brand name car. I won't say it on the air,
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they might decide to sponsor a Sunday and I said,
I'm researching mid size SUV's. I was looking at this one.
It's a gorgeous car, and I loved the maroon color red.
It came in and I said, how do you like it?
And she flat out said I hate it. I'd never
get another one. And I went, WHOA, talk to me,
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talk to me, and one of the problems was her
husband was just a little oversea and he couldn't get
in the car and sit in the seat. He couldn't
get through the door and sit in the seat without
banging his head. He had to all squnch up, and
even then the top of his head hit the fabric
of the ceiling. She says, it's made for small people.
Speaker 5 (16:18):
And then that's not just a one off mechanical error,
that's a design problem. And then there were a few
other things too that she just I hate it. I'll
never get another one. Okay, cross that one off my list.
And you'd be amazed at the people who were willing
to talk about their vehicle. Anybody asked me about my
Toyota Highlander, and I tell them how much I love it.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
It's a great card with But you can do the
same thing about dogs. People like to talk about their dogs.
Oh yeah, all right, but let's take a break for
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Speaker 4 (17:01):
So what's your reaction, Kate when you hear Ben and
Jerry's now has dog treats.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
Now, I won't have to share my ice cream with
them anymore, because you know, anybody comes near me when
I'm meeting my Ben and Jerry's, They're likely to get
growled at. Right now, I think it's a cool idea.
I've sometimes made my dog's frozen treats or gotten some
that are commercially available, but considering how much I love
Ben and Jerry's, it's about time my puppy dog's got
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to enjoy that as well.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
I know of my favorite one is the cherry Garcia.
Oh my god, Yeah, I'll growl anybody comes near me.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
I'll me that I'm a chunky monkey freak. Yeah, I
like that that way.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
But also I love peanut butter.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
And did you know that one of the dun You
dog flavors is paunch and has peanut butter and pretzels.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Ooh, and Rosie has pumpkin and many cookies. That's am
I ni. I'm sure it has lots of cookies too,
but they're a little small cookies in there. Many he's
in pumpkin, which I do give my boy pumpkin in
his dinner, so thisud actually been a nicer way for
him to get it.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
Yeah, so I think I would qualify mine in the
freezer is my ice cream, and then I have to
label the dog's version of Ben and Jerry's as the
Frozen Treat Doggy Dessert.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
And one way you can tell is instead of the
black and white cow on the front of the little container,
it's a black and white dog. Oh, go for the
dog treats so you can tell which one is which
because it's their dog. Frozen treats are are not designed
for humans, made with human quality ingredients, but not designed
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for humans, so you do want to keep them separate.
And I can only give my boy a little bit
if I dare of my own ice cream, my Ben
and Jerry's ice cream, because yeah, it doesn't always set
well with him, but now he has his own, He's
going to have his own, all right.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
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friend there, and then enjoy together.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
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Speaker 1 (19:31):
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Speaker 2 (19:48):
Welcome back, Okay. Other dog clubs, activity clubs. When I've
got my first German Shepherd. If you've listened to our
podcast from yours past, you know that my husband was
overseas with the Marine Corps. I got myself a German
Shepherd puppy to keep myself company, and he proceeded, as
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a four month old puppy to shred my couch to
the point of taking it down to a two by
four in springs. Next day, I got on the phone
and talked to a trainer, but we took it from there.
We did search and rescue, so I joined a search
and rescue club, learned how to do search and rescue,
get certified for exercise. So I threw a frisbee. He
loved it, so I joined a frisbee club. He went
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to the California Finals, the World finals. What other obedience clubs,
obedience clubs you did we did shits and with both
German shepherds we did shitsen and earned titles. So dog
at tivioty clubs teach you what the activity is all about.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
And give you a support group and help you bout
the pastor Yeah, that's kind of the biggest thing therapy dogs. Yeah,
I was when I was making my list, I was thinking,
does that it does kind of fall into it. It's
a club and you have to pass the standard to enter.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
But many many activity clubs have certification procedures or titling
procedures or or things like that. I mean the frisbee
clubs support the competition. You can earn things there, should
send support trains and supports the competition. You can earn
titling there. Sometimes you go to another club for the
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titling because not kind of fair to have your own
trainer do it for you, so you go to another
one for competition. But yeah, a lot of them have
standards and competition things.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
Agility, there are a lot of agility clubs that are
area anyway, I suspect there are another It's just.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
A fun, fun thing to do, yeah, and some people
like to do it just to do something with their dogs,
maybe not necessarily compete.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
Why not a lot of these clubs.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
If you don't want to compete, you're not into that,
but just want to experience something different with your dog.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
I'm at that point in life where I have absolutely
no desire to compete whatsoever. It got Okay, I'm a
bad sport. I'm very competitive. I get grumpy. I don't
take it out on anybody else. I just get grumpy,
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and what hey, I admitted it, and so forth. Life
is much better when I don't compete. My dogs and
I train and we have fun. But it's much better
when I don't compete. Let's just say one obedience trial,
Paul had his German shepherd Michi. I had my German
shepherd Watashi. There's a placement called high End Trial. That's
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the dog that earns the highest score from all the
obedience classes. So I was entered in one class and
Watasha and I won that class. Paul was entered in
a different class and he won that class, and we
each tide for high End Trial. We each had one
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ninety nine and a half out of two hundred points.
Each of us didoff. We had to have a playoff. Oh,
and his dog beat me by a crooked sit.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
Oh dear, Oh, let's.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
Just I don't think i'd want to be in that
house that evening you try trial.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
The obedience trial was in you couch. The obedience trial
was in Pasadena, and we lived in San Clementy. It
was a long, quiet trip home and I don't know
how many times he said I'm sorry, and I said
you are not.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
You are not. Surely you could have slipped the judges
a ten dollars.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
But him walking out of the trial with trophy in hands, smirking,
and me walking out, people are going, oh my god,
that was so awful. You both had one ninety nine
and a half. That was so wonderful. Who would have
said that husband? And he was not a gracious winner.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
He rubbed it in.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
So life is better if I don't compete.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
But you can do something for fun, or you can
challenge you in yourself, you and your dog and yourself
against a standard, which is what a competition.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Is, or just the training for me the fun And
I guess that's why the last ten twelve years I've
had so much fun with trick training. Is that, yes,
you can compete and at one of the English Shepherd
gatherings we went to. We we did the trick training
one competition and the trick training too, and the intermediate
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and all that stuff. We did the farm dog thing.
But you could do it and just don't take it seriously,
just have fun with.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
Joined the agility club. Well, we just played. We went
to the trials and we're like, okay, let's go have
a good time. And if we won, fine, if we didn't, yeah,
yeah exactly.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
And then you can have dogs who are by themselves competitive,
but share with the tryball. Yeah, he would play with
that darn ball until he made his face raw rubbing
that ball. I will do it, Somelms would do that.
He would not.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
We could mention a few groups that are out there.
I mean, you've got, like you mentioned, you have the
service search and rescue the ship said m Tracking clubs.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Yeh, disk doobs, the fly ball doc diving, dock diving
is really big, although you have to have access to
the equipment.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Yeah, as.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
It's very popular.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Field trials. I think that's fascinating, probably even closer to
what the breed was designed to do. At least the sporting.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Dogs herding instinct tests or for the people with the
herding dogs. I'm I like to see somebody else take
my dog in for the hurting instinct test if if
I can, like for the es is, our breeder will
take the dogs in because I want to watch them
from outside the ring. It's hard to watch them when
you're in there trying to avoid the sheet trampling your feet.
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But if you can watch from the outside.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
And go, whoa, look at that.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Oh my god, look what he just did. Oh yeah,
catch her. Yeah, I'd love to get into it.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
We just don't have a lot of hurting around here.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Except for except for border colleagues.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
Yeah, but I'd love to get involved one day.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Bones wouldn't do it without me. Hero did Hero, Yeah,
I had, Mom, I've been here. Bones was like, Mom,
it's us. It's a partnership. Mom, come in here, Mom,
but that's my boy. I'd like to see how the
girls do. How Will said that would be fun with
other parkour then karting drafting.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
I went to one recently for Newfoundlands. I drafted one
and that was that was fun, you know, and everybody
there had a good time.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
That's the goal.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
Yeah, the dogs did good. They were tired because I
went on day two. This is their second day, so
a lot of tired dogs. But they did they did good.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
They had fun. That was fun.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
So that's a breed club that also does the breed
activities like that.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
Did they have any other breeds there? No?
Speaker 4 (27:45):
But interesting enough, if I was talking to one of
them that's on the board and there had thought maybe
if they do like one day of the Newfoundlands and
maybe the second day open it to others who.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Were interested in doing drafting with non Newfoundlands. Often they do.
I'm surprised they didn't. Maybe it's a new board of
directors for the club or something, because often they do
open it up.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
Yeah, I say that would be great.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
I said, I have actually have an English shepherd who
does like to do carting.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Yeah, that would be fun. Well, when we had assis,
there was that time we went to the Newfoundland training.
There was what five of us there with Australian shepherds
and the end of the second day they had the
draft test and the Assis took first, second, third, fourth place.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
We were not.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
We were not. We got lots of dreamy looks from
the new Fee people that maybe that's why they don't
open a dog breeds anymore. But we've been doing a
lot of karting, so yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
Okay, so actually went for a rally, big fun sport
and dancing with.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Dogs freestyle, yeah, style dancing.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
And what's really cool now is they're doing a lot
of it, uh by videotaping, well COVID, because of COVID,
but it's also allowed them to have more international competition. Sure, yeah,
by submitting a videotape, right, and AKAC is now doing
that because we well the valuated one that.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Sent us trick dogs are doing the video too.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
And then I noticed how AKAC is starting to add
more and more activities.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Yeah, well the breed dog registration is going down, down, down,
down down, So income went down down downtown. So by increasing,
I mean not to be you know, yeah, I am
just to be business like. Yes, more more activities means
money from those sports. Absolutely, perhaps to make it the
difference because they now have a trick training uh titles
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titles right they oh AKC started rally, well, an individual
club started rally. AKC picked it up pretty early. Yeah,
and rally's a great introduction to obedience if you're thinking
about that rally. I think rally is a lot more fun.
I did obedience competitions for years and that can get
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pretty cutthroat, but the rally people seem to rally more
for each other.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
It's just a little rally. Courses and graduation for one
of our for intermediate class, and they have fun. And
after the after they're all done, the people and the
dogs are like, oh my god, I'm tired.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
It's a lot of thinking.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
You know, it's not that it's not a lut.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
It doesn't cover a lot of area. Yeah, I'm thinking, yeah, Well,
I joined the South Coast Jack Russell Terrier Club and
I was thinking that they're pretty standard in what they
what they say about themselves. There is preserving, protecting, and
working the Jack Russell terrier, and they want to bring
owners information, invents, and resources to enhance their ownership. Of
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course they do call them amazing little dogs. But then
they say the recent popularity boom of Jack Russells, brought
about by movies, TV advertising, has caused an increasing amount
of indiscriminate breeding. These two factors are leading to an
ever increasing number of Jack Russells coming into rescue, usually
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for no other reason than their very nature. They are
hunting terriers. Yes, they do your research on this breed.
This could be a sentence for every breed. Please do
your research. They are not the dog for everyone.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
We've said how many times, how many times did we
try to tuck people out of Australian shepherds and now
English shepherds. People see Bones, Yeah, he's compact, he's a
little smaller, he's got a blue eye, and people go, oh,
he's so cool, and let me tell you about Bones.
(32:05):
He is not for everyone. Hero would thrive with just
about anybody who's active. Bones and seven would not the.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
Benefits of joining this club, but can be more universal
for all clubs. It's a friendly group of like minded
people interested in all things of that breed, mentoring for
new and future Jack Russell owners. Going to a trial
or going to some of these fun days or things,
and you see what the breeder, the breed is the
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people are doing with that breed and can you see
yourself doing that or not. They have their sanctioned trials,
they have fun days. They have fundays than they have
trials where they'll do the racing, you know, the racing
Jack Russells and go to ground that's where it's kind
of like they're going through an underground tunnel after cars.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Oh that's another club, barn hunt car. That is great fun.
We've done that.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
And the breeders listing if they signed the Code of Ethics.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Uh huh so.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
Yeah. Just a general idea of clubs and why they're
important for everybody. Now.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
I have one downside to dog clubs, and it's not
just dog clubs, it's also dog clubs, horse clubs, car clubs,
people of general.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
More than five people together in form a group about something.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
People are political creatures, and they often form cliques. One
of the last obedience trials I went to and on
one of the primary reasons why I quit, was here
in San Diego County, and I won't say the club name,
but it was the most political clique thing I'd ever
(33:48):
gone to. If you didn't train with this trainer or
you didn't belong to this club, we're not going to
talk to you because you're not one of us. And
it was so uncomfortable that my dog and I looked
at each other and went no. And that was I
(34:08):
think either the last or next to the last obedience
trial I went to. I went home, told my husband. Yeah,
that's not fun. It's not fun. And German shepherd. That
was when I had Australian Shepherds. When my husband and
I were back in Washington, d C. I went to
an obedience trial for German shepherds. It was a German
Shepherd specialty trial, and they tended to be clique. If
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you had confirmation German shepherds who have a certain look,
then you were one of them. If you had a
German Shepherd who was not that, which my boy wasn't
he was a rescue, then you were looked down upon.
We were competing in obedience and Natasha and I and
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so he'd already had his utility dog title. He was
he was already a certified search and rescue dog. He'd
already gone to the World Frisbee Championships, all these things.
And we were going because I was trying to earn
his obedience trial championship. So we needed to go, and
we needed to place an open b in utility. So
(35:17):
as I was walking in from the parking area, and
I had my long chair under one hand and a
tote bag over his shoulder, and Watashi was walking with me.
He one hundred pounds big boy, tall, flat pat square
did not look like a confirmation German shepherd. I got looks,
I got whispers. I saw him as I was walking in.
(35:38):
They weren't trying to be obvious, but I saw it.
So after we won first in open B and first
in Utility B, and we won high end trial and
high combined score for the day, as we walked to
the car, I walked past those show rings and.
Speaker 6 (35:54):
Went, good boy, yes you are look at you. And
I did that all the way to my car. Not
that I was not that she rubs it in.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
No, I will say that if you join a dog
club of any kind, activity, breed club, whatever, sport club,
and you run into it, look around. There's always somebody
else like you who's hanging on the outskirts, who would
like to learn more, but also isn't part of the clique.
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You know, there are other people.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
It's true on Facebook, it's true for so manythings.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Yeah, or worst case scenario, give up on that club
and go find another one. There's lots of them. But
don't let the people in the clicks or the political
part of it get you down.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
By the way, when I was researching breed clubs and
clubs for dogs in general. I came across one. I
just love the name. I wrote it down. It's the
Dover Nut Club.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
Well, you know Carol and John have Adobe. They're kind
of nuts.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
And then there's kind of an offshoot. It's more of
a I don't want to say retail offshoot, but I
found clubs for sports. Okay, there's one up in San Francisco.
It's the dog Pool Club. They have two salt water
pools and a freshwater waiting pool. So you get a
membership in the dog Pool Club and then you can
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take your dog there to swim, and then they have
a bathing area that's part of the membership. It's like
joining a fitness club.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
Yeah, that's that's a business that calls itself a club. Yeah.
And then there's lura Tics Yeah, well a lure cursing. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
I love their name too.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
Luratics, well the atility ups and downs.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
So yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
But still it's bringing like minded people together.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (37:51):
Well, we've even encouraged it some of our students to
join a club just too, especially just one viras us.
Everyone's getting a hard time where his friends are and
we're like, no, she's a good dog. Getting balld to
the group that knows this breed stuff with it, so
I hope he does.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
And that's the other one last thing like cracks me up. Okay,
at least my experience. The Golden Retriever Club in the area.
They get together and go for strolls.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
Stroll the people go for a hardcore hike up a mountain.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
I remember years ago, the Hades Club. You come and
rent the field. But when Saturday afternoon classes broke, what
did they do? They brought in tables and hot luck.
One time they had it catered. Yeah, and basically they
sat down with glasses of wine and like just admired
(38:54):
their dogs running and bing.
Speaker 6 (38:58):
And that was their club.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
They enjoyed themselves.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
The English Shepherd Gathering. We try for one thousand miles
to meet with them to do silly things. All right, Well,
our time's up. Look into a dog activity club or
a dog breed club, you know, if you want to
learn more about your breed, if you're thinking about a
(39:24):
particular breed, if you're thinking about a particular sport. And
just like I said, beware of the cliques. The politics.
It happens everywhere. People are political, I mean, no matter
what all right and have a good time. So that's.
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
Hi, welcome to It's a Doggy Dog World. I'm your host,
Liz Poleika, and with me today are my good friends
Peter Berg and Kate Abbitt. And today we're going to
talk about dog clubs, and we're gonna have to have
a little bit of a definition first. So obviously, a
dog club is four people who own dogs who have
(00:47):
something in common. So it could be five people, it
could be fifty people, could be five hundred people. Multiple
It could be a dog breed club like a club
for Golden Retrieve owners, or it could be a dog
activity club like people that are interested in flyball competition.
(01:12):
Or it could be a shoots in club, which is
for people and their dogs who want to participate in
the sport of shits in. Some dog breed clubs also
include activities like Newfoundland's. Newfoundland clubs often include information on
confirmation showing dog shows like you see on TV at Westminster,
(01:33):
obedience competition, water rescue and karting, or draft dog information.
Sometimes they give the clubs actually give lessons, or sometimes
the clubs will bring in a trainer. So there's a
variety of different types of clubs. But just as we're
talking about it. Remember, dog club is for all dogs
(01:54):
and people. A dog breed club is specifically for one breed.
And then the activity clubs include a specific activity or activities.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
So while you're saying that, I'm just thinking about the
granddaddy of clubs, The American Kennel Club.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Is the American Club. Right. They started as a confirmation
dog show club. Multiple breeds, it was in the beginning
primarily terriers, but multiple different breeds of terriers. Boy, I
pulled that out of my head. And then the word
that's used when they add a new breed is recognized,
(02:35):
and there's a process for a breed to go through
to become recognized.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
The breed has to create its own breed standard, which
is the description of the perfect dog of that breed.
So you have to get a committee together.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
To another club. You have to have a minor club,
a breed club that creates a standard, and they have
to register individual dogs with that breed club for a
period of time, document breeding, so forth and so on,
and then they can apply to the American Kennel Club
to be recognized. It's quite the process. It's quite do.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
They have to have a minimum number of people in
the club.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Yes, I can't tell you what that is. That that
that's not coming out of my head at the moment. Yes,
so it needs to be more than that. And then
many of the other large breed clubs like that are
the similar the International one f c I and please
don't ask me to pronounce it because I can't. It's French,
(03:40):
and I took French in high school, but that was
a long time ago in the galaxy far far away.
And then there's the United Kennel Club also here in
the US, and the Kennel Club all capitalized in Great Britain.
That's the Granddaddy, that was one of the if not
(04:00):
the original, So there's a variety. Now patro and I
both belong to the English Shepherd Club. And the English
Shepherd Club is different in the way that it doesn't
promote confirmation dog shows. It promotes the breed's working ability.
In fact, if you also not wanting to do confirmation, yeah,
(04:31):
the farm dog. But they do promote other activities such
as obedience and rally and hurting instinct tests and things
like that, because those all relate to working ability and
the partnership dog and owner. If you don't have a partnership,
and some you and your dog aren't talking together. You
(04:53):
can't take your dog out to a herd of sheep
and expect him to do what you would like him
to do. If you want to move those sheep from
the big field to a small round pen to vaccinate,
or to the barn to get them out of the blizzard,
you've got to be able to communicate to your dog.
So the English Shepherd Club, and they're not totally unique
with that. There are other breeds that promote the working,
(05:15):
versatile dog versus just the show dog. So yeah, yeah,
border colors did uh huh. There's also some field dogs
like the Red and White Setters or the red Setters
that used to be Irish Setters. Yeah. And the Jack
(05:38):
Russell Terrier has several branches, the Jack Russell, the Parsons,
the Russell. Yeah. Yeah, not all of them promote confirmation showing.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
So it also it seemed to me that looking at
these things that the breed clubs they share say genetic
information about who's breeding true, whose line is showed up
with problems.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Well, most of the breed clubs have a breed committee.
So the Australian Shepherd has a very, very active and
was one of the first and the best to have
(06:27):
a breed research investigative type of a branch, and they
still do so. As problems started popping up in the offsees,
they started researching cancer, for one. But even though they
have this awesome committee, it is taboo to name a
(06:47):
specific breeder because you don't want to point a finger.
How can you be one hundred percent correct that the
information you're sharing is come from one breeder or did
it come from down the lines ahead of her?
Speaker 3 (07:05):
So you can talk about the lineage that's showing some
well it's just not good. It might be slender.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Well, it could be slender libel or it could be
laying blame where maybe future research doesn't show that. What
it does encourage is people talk to each other. It
doesn't have to be.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Maybe encourage the kind of health tests that would be
good for your breeding.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Yes, and like the English Shepherd encourages that, they encourage
using one of the genetic tests that shows I know
more about my dog's genetics than I do my own.
I'm not sure if I want to know that much
about my own.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
It would have been nice to have that when we were.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
When we were an Aussies. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Yeah, because there are genetically linked health issues.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
There are health issues that are soon to be genetically
linked MDR one cancer perhaps, epilepsy perhaps, But there's still
so much research that needs to be done. But the
biggest thing is the breeders need to talk to each
other and share information with each other, and the clubs
(08:18):
do encourage that. There's also most clubs also have what
they call a breeder's code of ethics, which is that
shall not breed a dog that has blo blah blah blah.
And I think most ethical breeders do that. We've known
quite a few who have done that. We've known a few.
(08:41):
You and I have each had an Australian shepherd that
came from similar lines that had significant health issues and
when we contacted that breeder, she immediately spade that bitch
or other puppy right, and yes, those puppies that are
been produced, but she made sure that bitch wasn't going
(09:03):
to produce again. That to me is ethical. So the
communication is important. But many dog breed clubs also sponsor
or fund health research. I know the Golden Retriever clubs
doing it a lot because goldens have a lot of
issues right now, and the Golden Clubs are probably up
(09:25):
there in promoting health research. Black retrievers, flock coded retrievers
do a lot of Bernice, mountain dogs, German shepherds, so
they do help promote that. The American Kennel Club one
of the better things that they've done as far as
I'm concerned, is they do have a health branch and
(09:47):
they fund research into a lot of the problems that
affect dogs. Some may be specific breeds, some might affect
a family of breeds, like perhaps all retrievers might have
something in common, or like the MDR one, many of
the herting breeds may have something in common. So for
(10:08):
our listeners, no, I don't remember what the letters stand for.
It's a it is a gene that can be carried.
There's an old saying. It's been around for a long time,
a farmer's saying. If a herding dog has white toes
or white feet, then be leary that he could carry
(10:32):
the MDR one gene. So ossies, English shepherds, border collies,
many of the other breeds that might have white toes.
Beware that that is a breed that could potentially carry it,
and what it does is it causes the dog to
react badly to many medications.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
So it's it's a multi drug resistant mutation.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
One woo, there we go. Thank God for good, thank
God for Google. So for example, I've Remecin is commonly
used as an anti parasitic drug and MDR one. Dogs
should never get ivermecin. It can cause neurological problems, it
can be fatal personally.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Is also used with horses.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
And the dog right with sheep or sheep, Yeah, because
we had heard about somebody whose dog ate some sheep
just short after they were myself, My dogs have all
had the genetic test to show that they're not carrying
(11:40):
that gene, so they're free of it. But I'm still
I still don't give them those medications because I've known
people who've had dogs that were supposedly free of it
via the test and still have reactions. Prinds of ours
that are in class with the new puppy right now.
One of their dogs, one of their Australian shepherds, had
very very bad neurological ractions, so they not show up.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
But there's a breed tendency perhaps.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Yes, yes, And again if you have a breed that
could potentially be carrying the MPR one gene. The genetic
tests will test for that.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
I just had a thought here, I'm making a nook.
I've often told people through the years that if they
are interested in a breed, go find a club or
a group that specializes in rescuing that breed.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
I'm sure they know the good, the bad, and the ugly.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
You go sometimes the bread will tell you most of
the good and kind of.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
When I was researching one of my books, plug Here,
the How Old Book of Dogs, I did more research
for that book than I've done for any of my
other writing assignments. And I talked to breeders, interviewed breeders.
But breeders are often very enthused about their breed, obviously
(13:01):
because they loved the breed. But I would also talk
to trainers, Hey have you seen any such and such
breed and what do you think of that breed? And
sometimes I had to make several calls, especially if it
was a rare breed, to get some information. I also
talked to the breed clubs, and I talked to the
rescue clubs, and for some breeds when I really had questions,
(13:24):
especially about health. I talked to veterinarians, so four to
five different sources, the breeder, the breed club, the rescue club,
trainers and sometimes vets. You need to get out of
the circle of admiration, so to speak, to get the
(13:44):
nitty gritty. And that's actually when I started to fall
in love with the English Shepherd. When I was researching
that breed, I didn't have one yet, but remember Caleb, Yes,
we had one come through our classes and I had
just finished researching that section for the Hall Book a dog,
and I went, that's an English Shepherd and they got
(14:07):
him in a shelter. They didn't know. They said, well,
they said border Collie cross and I said, no, he's not.
And then I, uh, out here in the West Coast, Well,
they're very well known in our little pocket in the world.
And then there were a few other breeds that were
(14:28):
not well known, and I had to dig a little farther.
But yeah, talk to breeders, talk to breed clubs. Then
get out of that circle of influence and talk to
other people. Call three or four or five trainers in
your area. Have you ever seen a blots of hound?
What do you think of him? What do they seem
like to train. Do they house train easily?
Speaker 3 (14:51):
You know me and my weird analogies. I'm like, okay,
you go to the showroom and talk about what the
new car is like. Then you go to a mechanic
and say how many of these.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Have you worked on?
Speaker 3 (15:01):
Right?
Speaker 4 (15:02):
How can you talk to the owner's own it and said, well,
how you like it? How long have you owned it?
And how do you like it? You did that when you're.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
When I was researching my when I was getting ready
to trade in my F one fifty and was looking
for a mid size suv, I talked to everybody, including
I would talk to people in the parking lot of
the grocery store. When lady got out of a particular
brand name car. I won't say it on the air,
(15:31):
they might decide to sponsor a Sunday and I said,
I'm researching mid size SUV's. I was looking at this one.
It's a gorgeous car, and I loved the maroon color red.
It came in and I said, how do you like it?
And she flat out said I hate it. I'd never
get another one. And I went, WHOA, talk to me,
(15:55):
talk to me, and one of the problems was her
husband was just a little oversea and he couldn't get
in the car and sit in the seat. He couldn't
get through the door and sit in the seat without
banging his head. He had to all squnch up, and
even then the top of his head hit the fabric
of the ceiling. She says, it's made for small people.
Speaker 5 (16:18):
And then that's not just a one off mechanical error,
that's a design problem. And then there were a few
other things too that she just I hate it. I'll
never get another one. Okay, cross that one off my list.
And you'd be amazed at the people who were willing
to talk about their vehicle. Anybody asked me about my
Toyota Highlander, and I tell them how much I love it.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
It's a great card with But you can do the
same thing about dogs. People like to talk about their dogs.
Oh yeah, all right, but let's take a break for
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Speaker 4 (17:01):
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Jerry's now has dog treats.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
Now, I won't have to share my ice cream with
them anymore, because you know, anybody comes near me when
I'm meeting my Ben and Jerry's, They're likely to get
growled at. Right now, I think it's a cool idea.
I've sometimes made my dog's frozen treats or gotten some
that are commercially available, but considering how much I love
Ben and Jerry's, it's about time my puppy dog's got
(17:27):
to enjoy that as well.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
I know of my favorite one is the cherry Garcia.
Oh my god, Yeah, I'll growl anybody comes near me.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
I'll me that I'm a chunky monkey freak. Yeah, I
like that that way.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
But also I love peanut butter.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
And did you know that one of the dun You
dog flavors is paunch and has peanut butter and pretzels.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Ooh, and Rosie has pumpkin and many cookies. That's am
I ni. I'm sure it has lots of cookies too,
but they're a little small cookies in there. Many he's
in pumpkin, which I do give my boy pumpkin in
his dinner, so thisud actually been a nicer way for
him to get it.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
Yeah, so I think I would qualify mine in the
freezer is my ice cream, and then I have to
label the dog's version of Ben and Jerry's as the
Frozen Treat Doggy Dessert.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
And one way you can tell is instead of the
black and white cow on the front of the little container,
it's a black and white dog. Oh, go for the
dog treats so you can tell which one is which
because it's their dog. Frozen treats are are not designed
for humans, made with human quality ingredients, but not designed
(18:37):
for humans, so you do want to keep them separate.
And I can only give my boy a little bit
if I dare of my own ice cream, my Ben
and Jerry's ice cream, because yeah, it doesn't always set
well with him, but now he has his own, He's
going to have his own, all right.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
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Speaker 3 (18:55):
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Speaker 2 (19:48):
Welcome back, Okay. Other dog clubs, activity clubs. When I've
got my first German Shepherd. If you've listened to our
podcast from yours past, you know that my husband was
overseas with the Marine Corps. I got myself a German
Shepherd puppy to keep myself company, and he proceeded, as
(20:08):
a four month old puppy to shred my couch to
the point of taking it down to a two by
four in springs. Next day, I got on the phone
and talked to a trainer, but we took it from there.
We did search and rescue, so I joined a search
and rescue club, learned how to do search and rescue,
get certified for exercise. So I threw a frisbee. He
loved it, so I joined a frisbee club. He went
(20:31):
to the California Finals, the World finals. What other obedience clubs,
obedience clubs you did we did shits and with both
German shepherds we did shitsen and earned titles. So dog
at tivioty clubs teach you what the activity is all about.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
And give you a support group and help you bout
the pastor Yeah, that's kind of the biggest thing therapy dogs. Yeah,
I was when I was making my list, I was thinking,
does that it does kind of fall into it. It's
a club and you have to pass the standard to enter.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
But many many activity clubs have certification procedures or titling
procedures or or things like that. I mean the frisbee
clubs support the competition. You can earn things there, should
send support trains and supports the competition. You can earn
titling there. Sometimes you go to another club for the
(21:28):
titling because not kind of fair to have your own
trainer do it for you, so you go to another
one for competition. But yeah, a lot of them have
standards and competition things.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
Agility, there are a lot of agility clubs that are
area anyway, I suspect there are another It's just.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
A fun, fun thing to do, yeah, and some people
like to do it just to do something with their dogs,
maybe not necessarily compete.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
Why not a lot of these clubs.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
If you don't want to compete, you're not into that,
but just want to experience something different with your dog.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
I'm at that point in life where I have absolutely
no desire to compete whatsoever. It got Okay, I'm a
bad sport. I'm very competitive. I get grumpy. I don't
take it out on anybody else. I just get grumpy,
(22:20):
and what hey, I admitted it, and so forth. Life
is much better when I don't compete. My dogs and
I train and we have fun. But it's much better
when I don't compete. Let's just say one obedience trial,
Paul had his German shepherd Michi. I had my German
shepherd Watashi. There's a placement called high End Trial. That's
(22:43):
the dog that earns the highest score from all the
obedience classes. So I was entered in one class and
Watasha and I won that class. Paul was entered in
a different class and he won that class, and we
each tide for high End Trial. We each had one
(23:05):
ninety nine and a half out of two hundred points.
Each of us didoff. We had to have a playoff. Oh,
and his dog beat me by a crooked sit.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
Oh dear, Oh, let's.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
Just I don't think i'd want to be in that
house that evening you try trial.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
The obedience trial was in you couch. The obedience trial
was in Pasadena, and we lived in San Clementy. It
was a long, quiet trip home and I don't know
how many times he said I'm sorry, and I said
you are not.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
You are not. Surely you could have slipped the judges
a ten dollars.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
But him walking out of the trial with trophy in hands, smirking,
and me walking out, people are going, oh my god,
that was so awful. You both had one ninety nine
and a half. That was so wonderful. Who would have
said that husband? And he was not a gracious winner.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
He rubbed it in.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
So life is better if I don't compete.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
But you can do something for fun, or you can
challenge you in yourself, you and your dog and yourself
against a standard, which is what a competition.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Is, or just the training for me the fun And
I guess that's why the last ten twelve years I've
had so much fun with trick training. Is that, yes,
you can compete and at one of the English Shepherd
gatherings we went to. We we did the trick training
one competition and the trick training too, and the intermediate
(24:55):
and all that stuff. We did the farm dog thing.
But you could do it and just don't take it seriously,
just have fun with.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
Joined the agility club. Well, we just played. We went
to the trials and we're like, okay, let's go have
a good time. And if we won, fine, if we didn't, yeah,
yeah exactly.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
And then you can have dogs who are by themselves competitive,
but share with the tryball. Yeah, he would play with
that darn ball until he made his face raw rubbing
that ball. I will do it, Somelms would do that.
He would not.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
We could mention a few groups that are out there.
I mean, you've got, like you mentioned, you have the
service search and rescue the ship said m Tracking clubs.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Yeh, disk doobs, the fly ball doc diving, dock diving
is really big, although you have to have access to
the equipment.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Yeah, as.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
It's very popular.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Field trials. I think that's fascinating, probably even closer to
what the breed was designed to do. At least the sporting.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Dogs herding instinct tests or for the people with the
herding dogs. I'm I like to see somebody else take
my dog in for the hurting instinct test if if
I can, like for the es is, our breeder will
take the dogs in because I want to watch them
from outside the ring. It's hard to watch them when
you're in there trying to avoid the sheet trampling your feet.
(26:36):
But if you can watch from the outside.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
And go, whoa, look at that.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Oh my god, look what he just did. Oh yeah,
catch her. Yeah, I'd love to get into it.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
We just don't have a lot of hurting around here.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Except for except for border colleagues.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
Yeah, but I'd love to get involved one day.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Bones wouldn't do it without me. Hero did Hero, Yeah,
I had, Mom, I've been here. Bones was like, Mom,
it's us. It's a partnership. Mom, come in here, Mom,
but that's my boy. I'd like to see how the
girls do. How Will said that would be fun with
other parkour then karting drafting.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
I went to one recently for Newfoundlands. I drafted one
and that was that was fun, you know, and everybody
there had a good time.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
That's the goal.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
Yeah, the dogs did good. They were tired because I
went on day two. This is their second day, so
a lot of tired dogs. But they did they did good.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
They had fun. That was fun.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
So that's a breed club that also does the breed
activities like that.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
Did they have any other breeds there? No?
Speaker 4 (27:45):
But interesting enough, if I was talking to one of
them that's on the board and there had thought maybe
if they do like one day of the Newfoundlands and
maybe the second day open it to others who.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Were interested in doing drafting with non Newfoundlands. Often they do.
I'm surprised they didn't. Maybe it's a new board of
directors for the club or something, because often they do
open it up.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
Yeah, I say that would be great.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
I said, I have actually have an English shepherd who
does like to do carting.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Yeah, that would be fun. Well, when we had assis,
there was that time we went to the Newfoundland training.
There was what five of us there with Australian shepherds
and the end of the second day they had the
draft test and the Assis took first, second, third, fourth place.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
We were not.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
We were not. We got lots of dreamy looks from
the new Fee people that maybe that's why they don't
open a dog breeds anymore. But we've been doing a
lot of karting, so yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
Okay, so actually went for a rally, big fun sport
and dancing with.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Dogs freestyle, yeah, style dancing.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
And what's really cool now is they're doing a lot
of it, uh by videotaping, well COVID, because of COVID,
but it's also allowed them to have more international competition. Sure, yeah,
by submitting a videotape, right, and AKAC is now doing
that because we well the valuated one that.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Sent us trick dogs are doing the video too.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
And then I noticed how AKAC is starting to add
more and more activities.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Yeah, well the breed dog registration is going down, down, down,
down down, So income went down down downtown. So by increasing,
I mean not to be you know, yeah, I am
just to be business like. Yes, more more activities means
money from those sports. Absolutely, perhaps to make it the
difference because they now have a trick training uh titles
(30:00):
titles right they oh AKC started rally, well, an individual
club started rally. AKC picked it up pretty early. Yeah,
and rally's a great introduction to obedience if you're thinking
about that rally. I think rally is a lot more fun.
I did obedience competitions for years and that can get
(30:23):
pretty cutthroat, but the rally people seem to rally more
for each other.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
It's just a little rally. Courses and graduation for one
of our for intermediate class, and they have fun. And
after the after they're all done, the people and the
dogs are like, oh my god, I'm tired.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
It's a lot of thinking.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
You know, it's not that it's not a lut.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
It doesn't cover a lot of area. Yeah, I'm thinking, yeah, Well,
I joined the South Coast Jack Russell Terrier Club and
I was thinking that they're pretty standard in what they
what they say about themselves. There is preserving, protecting, and
working the Jack Russell terrier, and they want to bring
owners information, invents, and resources to enhance their ownership. Of
(31:11):
course they do call them amazing little dogs. But then
they say the recent popularity boom of Jack Russells, brought
about by movies, TV advertising, has caused an increasing amount
of indiscriminate breeding. These two factors are leading to an
ever increasing number of Jack Russells coming into rescue, usually
(31:32):
for no other reason than their very nature. They are
hunting terriers. Yes, they do your research on this breed.
This could be a sentence for every breed. Please do
your research. They are not the dog for everyone.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
We've said how many times, how many times did we
try to tuck people out of Australian shepherds and now
English shepherds. People see Bones, Yeah, he's compact, he's a
little smaller, he's got a blue eye, and people go, oh,
he's so cool, and let me tell you about Bones.
(32:05):
He is not for everyone. Hero would thrive with just
about anybody who's active. Bones and seven would not the.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
Benefits of joining this club, but can be more universal
for all clubs. It's a friendly group of like minded
people interested in all things of that breed, mentoring for
new and future Jack Russell owners. Going to a trial
or going to some of these fun days or things,
and you see what the breeder, the breed is the
(32:36):
people are doing with that breed and can you see
yourself doing that or not. They have their sanctioned trials,
they have fun days. They have fundays than they have
trials where they'll do the racing, you know, the racing
Jack Russells and go to ground that's where it's kind
of like they're going through an underground tunnel after cars.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Oh that's another club, barn hunt car. That is great fun.
We've done that.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
And the breeders listing if they signed the Code of Ethics.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Uh huh so.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
Yeah. Just a general idea of clubs and why they're
important for everybody. Now.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
I have one downside to dog clubs, and it's not
just dog clubs, it's also dog clubs, horse clubs, car clubs,
people of general.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
More than five people together in form a group about something.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
People are political creatures, and they often form cliques. One
of the last obedience trials I went to and on
one of the primary reasons why I quit, was here
in San Diego County, and I won't say the club name,
but it was the most political clique thing I'd ever
(33:48):
gone to. If you didn't train with this trainer or
you didn't belong to this club, we're not going to
talk to you because you're not one of us. And
it was so uncomfortable that my dog and I looked
at each other and went no. And that was I
(34:08):
think either the last or next to the last obedience
trial I went to. I went home, told my husband. Yeah,
that's not fun. It's not fun. And German shepherd. That
was when I had Australian Shepherds. When my husband and
I were back in Washington, d C. I went to
an obedience trial for German shepherds. It was a German
Shepherd specialty trial, and they tended to be clique. If
(34:33):
you had confirmation German shepherds who have a certain look,
then you were one of them. If you had a
German Shepherd who was not that, which my boy wasn't
he was a rescue, then you were looked down upon.
We were competing in obedience and Natasha and I and
(34:55):
so he'd already had his utility dog title. He was
he was already a certified search and rescue dog. He'd
already gone to the World Frisbee Championships, all these things.
And we were going because I was trying to earn
his obedience trial championship. So we needed to go, and
we needed to place an open b in utility. So
(35:17):
as I was walking in from the parking area, and
I had my long chair under one hand and a
tote bag over his shoulder, and Watashi was walking with me.
He one hundred pounds big boy, tall, flat pat square
did not look like a confirmation German shepherd. I got looks,
I got whispers. I saw him as I was walking in.
(35:38):
They weren't trying to be obvious, but I saw it.
So after we won first in open B and first
in Utility B, and we won high end trial and
high combined score for the day, as we walked to
the car, I walked past those show rings and.
Speaker 6 (35:54):
Went, good boy, yes you are look at you. And
I did that all the way to my car. Not
that I was not that she rubs it in.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
No, I will say that if you join a dog
club of any kind, activity, breed club, whatever, sport club,
and you run into it, look around. There's always somebody
else like you who's hanging on the outskirts, who would
like to learn more, but also isn't part of the clique.
(36:27):
You know, there are other people.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
It's true on Facebook, it's true for so manythings.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Yeah, or worst case scenario, give up on that club
and go find another one. There's lots of them. But
don't let the people in the clicks or the political
part of it get you down.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
By the way, when I was researching breed clubs and
clubs for dogs in general. I came across one. I
just love the name. I wrote it down. It's the
Dover Nut Club.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
Well, you know Carol and John have Adobe. They're kind
of nuts.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
And then there's kind of an offshoot. It's more of
a I don't want to say retail offshoot, but I
found clubs for sports. Okay, there's one up in San Francisco.
It's the dog Pool Club. They have two salt water
pools and a freshwater waiting pool. So you get a
membership in the dog Pool Club and then you can
(37:24):
take your dog there to swim, and then they have
a bathing area that's part of the membership. It's like
joining a fitness club.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
Yeah, that's that's a business that calls itself a club. Yeah.
And then there's lura Tics Yeah, well a lure cursing. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
I love their name too.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
Luratics, well the atility ups and downs.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
So yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
But still it's bringing like minded people together.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (37:51):
Well, we've even encouraged it some of our students to
join a club just too, especially just one viras us.
Everyone's getting a hard time where his friends are and
we're like, no, she's a good dog. Getting balld to
the group that knows this breed stuff with it, so
I hope he does.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
And that's the other one last thing like cracks me up. Okay,
at least my experience. The Golden Retriever Club in the area.
They get together and go for strolls.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
Stroll the people go for a hardcore hike up a mountain.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
I remember years ago, the Hades Club. You come and
rent the field. But when Saturday afternoon classes broke, what
did they do? They brought in tables and hot luck.
One time they had it catered. Yeah, and basically they
sat down with glasses of wine and like just admired
(38:54):
their dogs running and bing.
Speaker 6 (38:58):
And that was their club.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
They enjoyed themselves.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
The English Shepherd Gathering. We try for one thousand miles
to meet with them to do silly things. All right, Well,
our time's up. Look into a dog activity club or
a dog breed club, you know, if you want to
learn more about your breed, if you're thinking about a
(39:24):
particular breed, if you're thinking about a particular sport. And
just like I said, beware of the cliques. The politics.
It happens everywhere. People are political, I mean, no matter
what all right and have a good time. So that's.
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