August 18, 2021 • 30 mins
One of the downfalls of loving dogs (and other pets) is they don't live long enough. Liz recently lost her good dog, Bones. Your three hosts talk about making the decision as to when to say goodbye, whether to take your dog to the vet clinic or have one come to the house, and other issues concerning end of life. This isn't a happy subject to discuss but is one everyone will face at some time.
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EPISODE NOTES: When It's Time To Say Goodbye Part 1
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Pet Life Radio, Let's Talk pets.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Hi, Welcome to It's a Doggie Dog World. I'm your host,
Liz Polaika, with my good friends Peter bart He and
Kate Abbott. And this podcast is going to be a
little more somber than most of ours. I'm sure we'll
have some good giggles. But for those of you who've
listened often recently, I just lost bones my oldest English shepherd,
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eight years old. Very unexpectedly. He developed a very aggressive
vascular cancer and I saw symptoms about a month ago
and they progress very rapidly and I had to let
him go. And we're going to talk about that process,
learning to watch your dog or cat, your pet seeing
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something different, finding a diagnosis, learning to see when it's
time to let them go, you know, because most of
us we don't want to do it too early, we
don't want to wait too late. It's finding that balance,
learning to watch your pet and then how what happens.
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We'll talk about going to your veterinarian or having someone
come to the house, and then what happens afterwards. So
it's gonna be somber. But when we love pets, dogs,
I know it's a doggy dog world, but cats are
in this too. When we love pets, we're going to
lose him. Unfortunately, they don't live long enough. Would I
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have loved to have Bones in other seven or eight years. Yeah,
I always figured he was going to be the long
lived one. We don't get to choose. So that's our
topic for today. Like I said, Bones had a one
month progression from the first symptoms to actually was his
organs were in the process of shutting down when I
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had the vet come in. It moved very very quickly,
and I worked my way through my veterinarian to the
emergency room to a specialty clinic before I got the diagnosis.
Because of course my boy wouldn't present anything quote unquote normally.
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It wasn't anything that I ever would have second guessed.
It wasn't anything I could put my finger on it.
It was something different. And then by the time we
got the diagnosis, he had just days. So it was
very very quickly. Thankfully, from the diagnosis, I did have
a long weekend that I could spoil him because when
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we got the diagnosis, veterinarians, I asked, so how much
time do we have, thinking it was days, maybe a
couple of weeks, he said, hours or days. Nobody wants
to hear that. Nobody wants to hear that. But I
did take him home and spoil him, gave him anything
to eat he wanted, and for a couple of days
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he was really good. And then the third day I
could see him start to decline, and it was time
to make the decision. You posted about the amount of
time that he spent cuddling.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Which was not typical.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
No Qualtz was not a cuddler. He was always close.
He'd be in bed, he'd be on the bed with me,
but not necessarily always touching. If I was moving around
the house, he went from room to room with me,
if I was sitting in a chair reading, he was
always close. But his last night and I invited him
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on the bed and he lay down next to me
and was touching, had his hips up next to me,
and I was reading and trying to distract myself. So
I was reading, actually had a pretty good book, and
every once in a while I would reach over right
next to me, rub him, scratch him, and then go
back to my book, reach over, rub him, scratch him.
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After about five or six rubs and scratches, when i'd
touch him, he'd shift like and then I'd reach over
to him, and then he moved a little bit more,
and finally I reached over to touch him, and I
got this big, exasperated ah, and he joked off the bed.
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I was trying to show love. He was going here
being annoying. How can I sleep when you're being annoying?
Speaker 4 (04:46):
He's like you.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
So that was just him, you know, it wasn't anything different.
It was I was being different. At least I wasn't
hugging him and squishing him. If I was hugging and
squishing him, he'd have been very upset because that was
totally not the normal.
Speaker 5 (05:06):
Yeah. Then you guys came to the house and lit
them all run around, and you would never have known.
I would have guessed it.
Speaker 6 (05:12):
No, this would have seen bones the two days after
you got the diagnosis.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
You would not know.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
He was running with the other younger dogs who with
no health problems whatsoever. Harry has this bleeding tumor and
is lower intestine, and he was leading the charge. All
the dogs were running after him. Patro has a little
mini ranch and in the middle of the front area.
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It's not really front yard. The front area, there's a
round pen for the horses, and Bones was the only
one that made the long, full speed run around the
round pen. Everybody else was taking the shortcut. And here
he goes he's got a terminal diagnosis, he's passing blood
because of this tomb and here he goes around the
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round pat and when he comes back, he's all smiling,
his eyes are brightest, the best thing in the world.
That gave him more joy than just about anything. And
a day and a half later he was gone. It
was just Patri and I were watching him the whole time,
going he's sick, right, right, he has a sure bleeding tumor. Right.
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But you know what I told Patri at that time,
if he pushed himself too hard and passed out and
died right then and there, yes I had to cried,
But I'd also been happy for him because doing what
he loves to do. The only thing that he liked,
even partially as well was doing his therapy dog work
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with this his kids. But COVID shut that down and
he's been missing that for about a year and a half.
But that was the only thing that he liked remotely
as much as running and getting all the younger dogs
done chase him. Being the leader, they must chase him.
And when the two girls, Willow and seven, were getting
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stronger and bigger, both of them bigger than bones. There
were a few times on that run around the round
pen that one or both of them would pass him,
and he did did not like that, and the next
pass around he ran harder. It was like, they passed me,
that's not allowed. And the next time they went you
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could see him just pushing it. And then I think
the girls realized he didn't like it, and they kind
of let him win a little bit. They pushed him hard,
but they let him win a little bit. They didn't
make it obvious, but we could both see. We could
see it. She's not pushing herself as hard. It was like, yeah, yeah,
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be nice to the old man. But that was quick.
When Gina, you Rottweiler and Walter were getting older, that
was a much longer process for both of them.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Yeah, and harder to I mean, yeah, First Walter lost
some hearing, then he lost some sight, but he was
still happy with life, so he was toddling around.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
But even when he.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Was almost totally blind, he knew the training field.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
So well and the other dogs actually were being much
better with him than I expected. I expected some of
the younger dogs to be rude and run over the
top of him, but just about everybody was. I mean,
that didn't happen very often.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
He still had some feist in him.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Yeah and well, and they had been taught by big german.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Shepherd still laid down to say hi to him.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Yeah, and for a long time as Walter started age,
but Sheer was there to protect him too. True, and
then we lost for Cheer. But the younger dogs were
still being pretty respectful. Now not Quill at home.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
No, my carrier does not speak other dog's language as well,
and so he would growl to let Walter know he
was about to step on him. Well, Walter was deaf
and blind, and Quill.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Wasn't about to move.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Yeah, same similar issue. He's been spending some time at
a friend's house if I have to be gone all day,
and she has a dog who was born deaf, and
so if that dog comes along and starts digging in
the blankets next to where Quill is sleeping, he will err.
You can just see him going. I'm telling him to move,
And of course the deaf dog is completely oblivious and
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it just fries Quill's brain that he's not paying attention
to him. So it was a yeah, there was a
Quill did not mourn. He's celebrated more. Don't have to
worry about anybody stopping on me.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
So how did you go about deciding that Walter was
ready to go or it was time.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
He quit eating and he quit trying follow me around
the house, And those are major indicators.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Bones quit eating a day and a half before I
let him go, and I knew that was a big
one because he was a big eater. Nothing interfered with
his eating.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
And unfortunately it was at the height of COVID, so
I was trying to find someone that would come to
the house, but they were like ten days out on
their appointments. Wow. And at that point I had made
my decision. I'm like, well, I wait a couple of days,
but I can't.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Wait a week and a half.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Yeahh that way. Yeah, and our regular vet was great,
but it was still they took him in, see there
was the lines, but then they let me come in.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
And hold him. Okay, there was no way I was
out of it about that. There was no way I
was going to send bones in without me.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Right, Yeah, now I will be there for the final needle.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
That's ConA.
Speaker 5 (10:49):
You weren't able to make a decision because ConA, No.
Speaker 6 (10:53):
He was totally fine the night before and it was
in the morning and you're waking up and he just
was lethargic, like that's weird. And granted he was twelve
years old and he was blind, but he still loved
work here at the dog training And I remember I
was going to leave the next day on a road
trip with my dad to Oregon, right, and I'm like,
I can't leave him like this, something's going on. And
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I remember bringing him to the vet and that's when
they diagnosed him with her mandresycoma on.
Speaker 5 (11:20):
His spleen that.
Speaker 6 (11:24):
And so there was internal leaning and I was like
what whoa wait what And then that's what I called
Liz and.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
I got there.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
I got there. I got there before coming past I
got there pretty nearn quick. Yeah, everybody get out of
my way.
Speaker 6 (11:44):
Yeah, that was that's tough, because that was totally un
I think the one I remember the most that was
a hard decision was Shasta. Shasta was tough that week,
and again, it was kind of like bone we knew
she had the cancer and she had lymphoma right, yeah,
and it was it's gonna be a matter of time.
And then said, you know, we'll spoil her every moment
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and I did, and it was two point whe was
like when, when when do I make that decision?
Speaker 5 (12:09):
And was like, you know what she will tell.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Me and she did.
Speaker 5 (12:12):
Yeah, I knew she she when she was ready, and
then we.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Loaded her in the back of my van and she
promptly sat up, looking bright and cheerful.
Speaker 5 (12:21):
Road trip.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
We made so many road.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
Trips in that van. We heard the van.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
It was like a road trip and then she'd play
down again. I was like, oh, it was like a
last burst of energy. We're going on a road trip.
Speaker 5 (12:36):
Yeah, because we had ConA and Ryker.
Speaker 6 (12:38):
ConA and Ker just say goodbye and went into the
sand room with her, and that was still wild.
Speaker 5 (12:45):
But she went on the table, the doctor did their thing.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
She was conscious, but not very right right, I mean
she was time. Yeah, it was not her other than
the road trip comment.
Speaker 6 (12:58):
I remember listen, I looked at each other and didn't
they were because when it was over, the two dogs
looked up both of them as she took time her
last breath. They both looked up at the ceiling in
a corner of the exam room and even the vet
was going.
Speaker 5 (13:16):
All of us were like.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
What.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
I know, Twilight sow. Yeah, I've never seen that before
and I've never seen it again.
Speaker 5 (13:27):
No, those three that witnessed it and we were.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
The tears didn't even come immediately because we were all going.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
WHOA what just.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Yeah, yeah, But that's the next step once you you've
realized it's it's time. There's really two common options. You
take your dog into here Vet Mary clinic, although like
Kate said, COVID has made things difficult at times, or
you can have a vetinarian come to the house. I
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knew with Bones, I wanted someone to come to the house.
I've never had someone come to the house before, and
Bones had been very comfortable at our vet clinic until COVID.
He had two visits to the vet where he had
to go in with the vetec and I had to
wait in the car. First one he went in pretty well.
Both were for minor things, but the first one was
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for a rapis shot and he went in pretty well.
I mean his tail was wagon. He kept looking over
his shoulder at me, but his tail was wagon the
second time. I don't remember what that was. It wasn't
for anything serious, but they had to drag him in.
He said no, I don't want to go, and that
really really bothered me. It really bothered me. So for
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his last VET visit, I didn't want to take him
in with him feeling like that. So I called around
to a few veterinarians who do in home youth an asia,
and I found one gentleman.
Speaker 5 (15:04):
That I liked.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
His wife who answered the phone. She's the one that
sold me very patient when I got tiary and choked up.
Take your time, honey, I'm not in a rush. We
can take care of this. Take a deep breath, blah blah,
without being condescending. She was very very good, very good,
and she sold me on him, who turned out to
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be her husband. But when he came in, he was
very good with bones, who at this point is failing.
He started getting a raspy cough which was fluid in
the lungs. He's his body was failing. He was anemic
and dehydrated and quit eating a day and a half ahead.
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So he was If I hadn't had the vetcom it
wouldn't have been long, but I wouldn't want him to
have gone through that. So the veterinarian was very good
with bones. The thing that I was incredibly impressed by
is both as anemic and dehydrated and so forth. And
the vet got the vein at the first poke, which
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is very nice because you don't want him poking around,
but yet dehydrated and a knee making very well. He
could have had collapsed veins, but he got it the
first one, and then he didn't rush me through the process.
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Speaker 6 (17:49):
So what's your reaction, Kate when you hear Ben and
Jerry's now has dog treats.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
Now, I won't have to share my ice cream with
them anymore, because you know, wh anybody comes near me
when I'm eating my Ben and Jerry's, They're likely to
get growled at.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
Right.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
No, I think it's a cool idea. I've sometimes made
my dog's frozen treats or gotten some that are commercially available,
But considering how much I love Ben and Jerry's, it's
about time my puppy dog's got to enjoy that as well.
Speaker 6 (18:17):
Out of my favorite one is the cherry Garcia.
Speaker 7 (18:20):
Oh my god.
Speaker 5 (18:22):
Yeah, I'll growl anybody comes near.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
Me that I'm a chunky monkey freak.
Speaker 6 (18:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
I like that that way.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
But also I love peanut butter.
Speaker 5 (18:31):
And did you know that one of the dun You
dog flavors is paunch. It has peanut butter and pretzels.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
Ooh, and Rosie has pumpkin and many cookies. That's am
I ni. I'm sure it has lots of cookies too,
but they're a little small cookies and they're many cookies
and pumpkin, which I do give my boy pumpkin in
his dinner, so this's actually been a nicer way for
him to get it.
Speaker 6 (18:54):
Yeah, so I think I would qualify mine in the
freezer is my ice cream, and then I have to
label like the dog's version of Ben and Jerry's is
the frozen Treat Doggy dessert.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
And one way you can tell is instead of the
black and white cow on the front of the little container,
it's a black and white dog for the dog tree,
so you can tell which one is which because it's
their dog. Frozen treats are are not designed for humans,
made with human quality ingredients but not designed for humans,
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so you do want to keep them separate. And I
can only give my boy a little bit if I
dare of my own ice cream, my Ben and Jerry's
ice cream, because yeah, it doesn't always set well with him,
but now he has his own, He's gonna have his own,
all right.
Speaker 6 (19:39):
So go out there, buy some for your furry little
friend there and enjoy together.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
Enjoy.
Speaker 8 (19:44):
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We know you're begging for more, So back to It's
a Doggy Dog World with your fetching hosts Liz Pelika
and this week's co host Kate Abbit and Petro Burke.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Welcome back to It's a Doggy Dog World. This is
your Hostless Pelika with my good friends Patri Burke and
Kate Abbot. I mean I was ready. I knew Bones
was ready. It was time. I didn't have any reservations,
but he didn't rush me through it.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
The other animals were.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
I had put the two dogs in the back bedroom.
The cats could come and go, but nobody was right there.
It was just Bones and I and Bones went easily.
Then I went and got Hero, brought him out on leash.
He sniffed. Was startled initially when he sniffed Bones, but
he sniffed and went hmm. I could see the wheels
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turney when he was ready to turn away from Bones,
and I took him back to the bedroom and I
brought Seven out. Now, I wasn't expecting much of a
reaction from Seven because her playmate is Hero. Bones was
like all right, But she came out, took one sniff
of Bones, jumped on top of him, laid down on
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top of him, straddling his body, and growled at the veterinarian, WHOA,
what did you do to him? He took a couple
of steps back. Now I had the leasha onner so
I could make sure she didn't do anything. But my
chin is down on my chest.
Speaker 5 (21:27):
I'm sure because I'm going.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Now. She's too, coming into adulthood. But Bones had never
she'd never shown any signs that Bones was that important
to her.
Speaker 5 (21:41):
It's always been Hero.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
But he was always there, and he was always.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
In charge, and he was always vital and moving and
energetic and yes, the boss. And that reaction was over quickly,
you know. She grounded at the veterinarian. He took a
couple of steps back, and then she kind of shook
it off and I took her back to the bedroom.
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It was at that point that Kirk, my big orange
cat who's six, a couple of years younger than Bones,
wandered out of his own volition. He sniffed Bones, sniffed
his back feet, sniffed his front feet, put his paws
up on the love seat where Bones was sniffed his mouth,
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sat down in front of the love seat, and as
cats do, wrapped his tail around his feet and just
stared at Bones for a while. Seemed like a long time.
It was probably maybe only twenty or thirty seconds, but
it seemed like because we just froze, what's the cat doing?
Speaker 5 (22:42):
We didn't neither. The veteran I removed, and then Kirk
got up and wandered away.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
No, it was like he was.
Speaker 5 (22:50):
Acknowledging or speaking to his spirit or speaking of.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Cats.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Yeah, you'd never know, but it was like, WHOA Now.
The other thing that this veterinarian did, and I know
several veterinarians who do in home use in Asia offer
the same thing. They will either leave your pet with you,
so if you have property and you can legally bury
your pet, if you want to do that, you can.
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I live in suburbia. There's no way I could do that.
No way I could take a hold that deep if
I wanted to. But I'm not sure i'd be comfortable
with that anyway, with a fifty pound on a even
a smaller dollar.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
My mother's terrier died and she was living in a
suburb housing complex. Yeah, and she buried them in the backyard. Yeah.
First of all, if you are going to do so,
just you know, wrap in fabric. Don't put them into herwhere?
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Oh where your mom?
Speaker 6 (23:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (23:53):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Or plastic bags. The couple that owned my mom and
dad's house before they moved into it had a mixed
breed dog pass and they wrapped him really really securely
in plastic.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Bags, and then my mom put it into the work.
So found was that your mom or that your dad?
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Yeah? My dad was doing so. But I knew the
dog because I knew the couple well. Between the sandy
soil and the gentleman getting older and didn't dig a
terribly deep pull and the high water table and plastic bags,
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the dog was coming up out of the soil. So
Dad was doing yard work and was seeing edges of
a trash bag, and so it started pulling up or
digging up the trash bag, and it was a mummified
dog in trash bag. He hadn't even digged post significantly
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because he was so well wrapped. Cremated in a little box. Yeah,
all of my previous dogs where I have an assortment
of little cedar boxes with baggies here, and this veterinarian
took ones with him, and he took him to be cremated.
And they'll call me when he's read it, and he'll
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join my collection. And then when I'm in my retirement
home and I have my dreamed greenhouse and raised bed gardens,
I will sprinkle them all and I'll take that little
plate off the front of the cedar box and put
it in them, and then we'll see how well the
tomatoes grow and how well the flowers grow.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
And I still laugh in a weird way. A friend
who named me an executor of her steak. She had
all the cedar boxes, cats, dogs, and rabbits. Yeah, she
did have rabbit society. Yeah, so there were maybe twelve
fourteen boxes there.
Speaker 5 (26:06):
I've got four or five.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
And her brother had died the year before, and she
had his and they had set to her the ashes,
which were in a plastic bag in a brown cardboard box.
Speaker 5 (26:20):
But all the pets were in cedar boxes.
Speaker 7 (26:22):
And there her brother sat in his cardboard box, hard
work box, you know, And and there wasn't a whole
lot of identification that I'm like, what's in here, Oh dear,
I should learn than the oak boxes.
Speaker 6 (26:42):
Yeah, your mom, but just the stories you told us
about your momma, I am really not surprised at the box.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Yeah. I was putting in an underground plumbing the sprinkler
system in her backyard after she passed to sort of yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
It was right there in my in my line, my
trench line.
Speaker 5 (27:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Should we ask what you did then rebaged them into
city trash? Yeah, yeah, that was It wasn't like when
I found the ordinance and the animal can that got
a call to the car apartment. Oh my, Like I say,
I'm going to quit opening boxes, oh my, oh dear,
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there is another option. Yes, with my own collection of boxes,
I'm considering this. You take a little bit of the
they send, You can tell you how much to send
a few ashes, and you send it to these companies
and then you can pick the color of the crystal.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Paperweights something like jewelry pennants or I did draw the line.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
At the noseprint necklace.
Speaker 5 (27:52):
Oh yeah, that was too much.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
For me personally. It's okay with others, but yeah, I
kind of liked the idea of these little.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Globes in the portion of them with a swirl of
color or yeah, that appeals to me. I'm not terribly
big and on the knick knacks, but yeah.
Speaker 5 (28:15):
Yeah. The other thing that actually I would rather.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Have those out than the collection of cedar boxes.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Yeah, well, collect boxes are not out there is they're
in a trunk. I saw another one that would put
some of their ashes in homemade paper with tree seeds,
so you can take that piece of paper. I think
it's supposed to I don't know anyway, it's homemade paper
(28:41):
that will dissolve biodegradable, and the ashes are woven into it,
and then the tree seeds, and I guess you can
pick certain types of trees and you know, again, if
you're going to be living in that house for a
period of time, or if you want to go out
in the forest or something and then plant it.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
In truth, I think you can even send it to
them and they will compress it into a man made diamond.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Oh I've seen those two. Yeah, it's just I think
the trees are cheaper, probably if you're on a budget.
All right, well that's it. Hope we gave you something
to talk about and tune into.
Speaker 6 (29:21):
Where Oh my head, just I can't imagine engagement reading
Oh here's my diamond man made my dead dog.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Oh God on that. Now. We're gonna let you go,
but tune into our next podcast. We're gonna talk about
what happens at home, what happens with your other pets
after your pet has passed on, because there's always gonna
be some changes. So anyway, tune in for that. We'll
see you later.
Speaker 8 (29:48):
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
Hi, Welcome to It's a Doggie Dog World. I'm your host,
Liz Polaika, with my good friends Peter bart He and
Kate Abbott. And this podcast is going to be a
little more somber than most of ours. I'm sure we'll
have some good giggles. But for those of you who've
listened often recently, I just lost bones my oldest English shepherd,
(00:45):
eight years old. Very unexpectedly. He developed a very aggressive
vascular cancer and I saw symptoms about a month ago
and they progress very rapidly and I had to let
him go. And we're going to talk about that process,
learning to watch your dog or cat, your pet seeing
(01:09):
something different, finding a diagnosis, learning to see when it's
time to let them go, you know, because most of
us we don't want to do it too early, we
don't want to wait too late. It's finding that balance,
learning to watch your pet and then how what happens.
(01:30):
We'll talk about going to your veterinarian or having someone
come to the house, and then what happens afterwards. So
it's gonna be somber. But when we love pets, dogs,
I know it's a doggy dog world, but cats are
in this too. When we love pets, we're going to
lose him. Unfortunately, they don't live long enough. Would I
(01:53):
have loved to have Bones in other seven or eight years. Yeah,
I always figured he was going to be the long
lived one. We don't get to choose. So that's our
topic for today. Like I said, Bones had a one
month progression from the first symptoms to actually was his
organs were in the process of shutting down when I
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had the vet come in. It moved very very quickly,
and I worked my way through my veterinarian to the
emergency room to a specialty clinic before I got the diagnosis.
Because of course my boy wouldn't present anything quote unquote normally.
(02:35):
It wasn't anything that I ever would have second guessed.
It wasn't anything I could put my finger on it.
It was something different. And then by the time we
got the diagnosis, he had just days. So it was
very very quickly. Thankfully, from the diagnosis, I did have
a long weekend that I could spoil him because when
(02:58):
we got the diagnosis, veterinarians, I asked, so how much
time do we have, thinking it was days, maybe a
couple of weeks, he said, hours or days. Nobody wants
to hear that. Nobody wants to hear that. But I
did take him home and spoil him, gave him anything
to eat he wanted, and for a couple of days
(03:18):
he was really good. And then the third day I
could see him start to decline, and it was time
to make the decision. You posted about the amount of
time that he spent cuddling.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Which was not typical.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
No Qualtz was not a cuddler. He was always close.
He'd be in bed, he'd be on the bed with me,
but not necessarily always touching. If I was moving around
the house, he went from room to room with me,
if I was sitting in a chair reading, he was
always close. But his last night and I invited him
(03:53):
on the bed and he lay down next to me
and was touching, had his hips up next to me,
and I was reading and trying to distract myself. So
I was reading, actually had a pretty good book, and
every once in a while I would reach over right
next to me, rub him, scratch him, and then go
back to my book, reach over, rub him, scratch him.
(04:17):
After about five or six rubs and scratches, when i'd
touch him, he'd shift like and then I'd reach over
to him, and then he moved a little bit more,
and finally I reached over to touch him, and I
got this big, exasperated ah, and he joked off the bed.
(04:39):
I was trying to show love. He was going here
being annoying. How can I sleep when you're being annoying?
Speaker 4 (04:46):
He's like you.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
So that was just him, you know, it wasn't anything different.
It was I was being different. At least I wasn't
hugging him and squishing him. If I was hugging and
squishing him, he'd have been very upset because that was
totally not the normal.
Speaker 5 (05:06):
Yeah. Then you guys came to the house and lit
them all run around, and you would never have known.
I would have guessed it.
Speaker 6 (05:12):
No, this would have seen bones the two days after
you got the diagnosis.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
You would not know.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
He was running with the other younger dogs who with
no health problems whatsoever. Harry has this bleeding tumor and
is lower intestine, and he was leading the charge. All
the dogs were running after him. Patro has a little
mini ranch and in the middle of the front area.
(05:40):
It's not really front yard. The front area, there's a
round pen for the horses, and Bones was the only
one that made the long, full speed run around the
round pen. Everybody else was taking the shortcut. And here
he goes he's got a terminal diagnosis, he's passing blood
because of this tomb and here he goes around the
(06:01):
round pat and when he comes back, he's all smiling,
his eyes are brightest, the best thing in the world.
That gave him more joy than just about anything. And
a day and a half later he was gone. It
was just Patri and I were watching him the whole time,
going he's sick, right, right, he has a sure bleeding tumor. Right.
(06:25):
But you know what I told Patri at that time,
if he pushed himself too hard and passed out and
died right then and there, yes I had to cried,
But I'd also been happy for him because doing what
he loves to do. The only thing that he liked,
even partially as well was doing his therapy dog work
(06:46):
with this his kids. But COVID shut that down and
he's been missing that for about a year and a half.
But that was the only thing that he liked remotely
as much as running and getting all the younger dogs
done chase him. Being the leader, they must chase him.
And when the two girls, Willow and seven, were getting
(07:10):
stronger and bigger, both of them bigger than bones. There
were a few times on that run around the round
pen that one or both of them would pass him,
and he did did not like that, and the next
pass around he ran harder. It was like, they passed me,
that's not allowed. And the next time they went you
(07:33):
could see him just pushing it. And then I think
the girls realized he didn't like it, and they kind
of let him win a little bit. They pushed him hard,
but they let him win a little bit. They didn't
make it obvious, but we could both see. We could
see it. She's not pushing herself as hard. It was like, yeah, yeah,
(07:54):
be nice to the old man. But that was quick.
When Gina, you Rottweiler and Walter were getting older, that
was a much longer process for both of them.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Yeah, and harder to I mean, yeah, First Walter lost
some hearing, then he lost some sight, but he was
still happy with life, so he was toddling around.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
But even when he.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Was almost totally blind, he knew the training field.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
So well and the other dogs actually were being much
better with him than I expected. I expected some of
the younger dogs to be rude and run over the
top of him, but just about everybody was. I mean,
that didn't happen very often.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
He still had some feist in him.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Yeah and well, and they had been taught by big german.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Shepherd still laid down to say hi to him.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Yeah, and for a long time as Walter started age,
but Sheer was there to protect him too. True, and
then we lost for Cheer. But the younger dogs were
still being pretty respectful. Now not Quill at home.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
No, my carrier does not speak other dog's language as well,
and so he would growl to let Walter know he
was about to step on him. Well, Walter was deaf
and blind, and Quill.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Wasn't about to move.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Yeah, same similar issue. He's been spending some time at
a friend's house if I have to be gone all day,
and she has a dog who was born deaf, and
so if that dog comes along and starts digging in
the blankets next to where Quill is sleeping, he will err.
You can just see him going. I'm telling him to move,
And of course the deaf dog is completely oblivious and
(09:37):
it just fries Quill's brain that he's not paying attention
to him. So it was a yeah, there was a
Quill did not mourn. He's celebrated more. Don't have to
worry about anybody stopping on me.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
So how did you go about deciding that Walter was
ready to go or it was time.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
He quit eating and he quit trying follow me around
the house, And those are major indicators.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Bones quit eating a day and a half before I
let him go, and I knew that was a big
one because he was a big eater. Nothing interfered with
his eating.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
And unfortunately it was at the height of COVID, so
I was trying to find someone that would come to
the house, but they were like ten days out on
their appointments. Wow. And at that point I had made
my decision. I'm like, well, I wait a couple of days,
but I can't.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Wait a week and a half.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Yeahh that way. Yeah, and our regular vet was great,
but it was still they took him in, see there
was the lines, but then they let me come in.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
And hold him. Okay, there was no way I was
out of it about that. There was no way I
was going to send bones in without me.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Right, Yeah, now I will be there for the final needle.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
That's ConA.
Speaker 5 (10:49):
You weren't able to make a decision because ConA, No.
Speaker 6 (10:53):
He was totally fine the night before and it was
in the morning and you're waking up and he just
was lethargic, like that's weird. And granted he was twelve
years old and he was blind, but he still loved
work here at the dog training And I remember I
was going to leave the next day on a road
trip with my dad to Oregon, right, and I'm like,
I can't leave him like this, something's going on. And
(11:14):
I remember bringing him to the vet and that's when
they diagnosed him with her mandresycoma on.
Speaker 5 (11:20):
His spleen that.
Speaker 6 (11:24):
And so there was internal leaning and I was like
what whoa wait what And then that's what I called
Liz and.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
I got there.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
I got there. I got there before coming past I
got there pretty nearn quick. Yeah, everybody get out of
my way.
Speaker 6 (11:44):
Yeah, that was that's tough, because that was totally un
I think the one I remember the most that was
a hard decision was Shasta. Shasta was tough that week,
and again, it was kind of like bone we knew
she had the cancer and she had lymphoma right, yeah,
and it was it's gonna be a matter of time.
And then said, you know, we'll spoil her every moment
(12:04):
and I did, and it was two point whe was
like when, when when do I make that decision?
Speaker 5 (12:09):
And was like, you know what she will tell.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Me and she did.
Speaker 5 (12:12):
Yeah, I knew she she when she was ready, and
then we.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Loaded her in the back of my van and she
promptly sat up, looking bright and cheerful.
Speaker 5 (12:21):
Road trip.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
We made so many road.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
Trips in that van. We heard the van.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
It was like a road trip and then she'd play
down again. I was like, oh, it was like a
last burst of energy. We're going on a road trip.
Speaker 5 (12:36):
Yeah, because we had ConA and Ryker.
Speaker 6 (12:38):
ConA and Ker just say goodbye and went into the
sand room with her, and that was still wild.
Speaker 5 (12:45):
But she went on the table, the doctor did their thing.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
She was conscious, but not very right right, I mean
she was time. Yeah, it was not her other than
the road trip comment.
Speaker 6 (12:58):
I remember listen, I looked at each other and didn't
they were because when it was over, the two dogs
looked up both of them as she took time her
last breath. They both looked up at the ceiling in
a corner of the exam room and even the vet
was going.
Speaker 5 (13:16):
All of us were like.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
What.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
I know, Twilight sow. Yeah, I've never seen that before
and I've never seen it again.
Speaker 5 (13:27):
No, those three that witnessed it and we were.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
The tears didn't even come immediately because we were all going.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
WHOA what just.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Yeah, yeah, But that's the next step once you you've
realized it's it's time. There's really two common options. You
take your dog into here Vet Mary clinic, although like
Kate said, COVID has made things difficult at times, or
you can have a vetinarian come to the house. I
(14:02):
knew with Bones, I wanted someone to come to the house.
I've never had someone come to the house before, and
Bones had been very comfortable at our vet clinic until COVID.
He had two visits to the vet where he had
to go in with the vetec and I had to
wait in the car. First one he went in pretty well.
Both were for minor things, but the first one was
(14:25):
for a rapis shot and he went in pretty well.
I mean his tail was wagon. He kept looking over
his shoulder at me, but his tail was wagon the
second time. I don't remember what that was. It wasn't
for anything serious, but they had to drag him in.
He said no, I don't want to go, and that
really really bothered me. It really bothered me. So for
(14:48):
his last VET visit, I didn't want to take him
in with him feeling like that. So I called around
to a few veterinarians who do in home youth an asia,
and I found one gentleman.
Speaker 5 (15:04):
That I liked.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
His wife who answered the phone. She's the one that
sold me very patient when I got tiary and choked up.
Take your time, honey, I'm not in a rush. We
can take care of this. Take a deep breath, blah blah,
without being condescending. She was very very good, very good,
and she sold me on him, who turned out to
(15:27):
be her husband. But when he came in, he was
very good with bones, who at this point is failing.
He started getting a raspy cough which was fluid in
the lungs. He's his body was failing. He was anemic
and dehydrated and quit eating a day and a half ahead.
(15:47):
So he was If I hadn't had the vetcom it
wouldn't have been long, but I wouldn't want him to
have gone through that. So the veterinarian was very good
with bones. The thing that I was incredibly impressed by
is both as anemic and dehydrated and so forth. And
the vet got the vein at the first poke, which
(16:11):
is very nice because you don't want him poking around,
but yet dehydrated and a knee making very well. He
could have had collapsed veins, but he got it the
first one, and then he didn't rush me through the process.
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Speaker 6 (17:49):
So what's your reaction, Kate when you hear Ben and
Jerry's now has dog treats.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
Now, I won't have to share my ice cream with
them anymore, because you know, wh anybody comes near me
when I'm eating my Ben and Jerry's, They're likely to
get growled at.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
Right.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
No, I think it's a cool idea. I've sometimes made
my dog's frozen treats or gotten some that are commercially available,
But considering how much I love Ben and Jerry's, it's
about time my puppy dog's got to enjoy that as well.
Speaker 6 (18:17):
Out of my favorite one is the cherry Garcia.
Speaker 7 (18:20):
Oh my god.
Speaker 5 (18:22):
Yeah, I'll growl anybody comes near.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
Me that I'm a chunky monkey freak.
Speaker 6 (18:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
I like that that way.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
But also I love peanut butter.
Speaker 5 (18:31):
And did you know that one of the dun You
dog flavors is paunch. It has peanut butter and pretzels.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
Ooh, and Rosie has pumpkin and many cookies. That's am
I ni. I'm sure it has lots of cookies too,
but they're a little small cookies and they're many cookies
and pumpkin, which I do give my boy pumpkin in
his dinner, so this's actually been a nicer way for
him to get it.
Speaker 6 (18:54):
Yeah, so I think I would qualify mine in the
freezer is my ice cream, and then I have to
label like the dog's version of Ben and Jerry's is
the frozen Treat Doggy dessert.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
And one way you can tell is instead of the
black and white cow on the front of the little container,
it's a black and white dog for the dog tree,
so you can tell which one is which because it's
their dog. Frozen treats are are not designed for humans,
made with human quality ingredients but not designed for humans,
(19:26):
so you do want to keep them separate. And I
can only give my boy a little bit if I
dare of my own ice cream, my Ben and Jerry's
ice cream, because yeah, it doesn't always set well with him,
but now he has his own, He's gonna have his own,
all right.
Speaker 6 (19:39):
So go out there, buy some for your furry little
friend there and enjoy together.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
Enjoy.
Speaker 8 (19:44):
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We know you're begging for more, So back to It's
a Doggy Dog World with your fetching hosts Liz Pelika
and this week's co host Kate Abbit and Petro Burke.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Welcome back to It's a Doggy Dog World. This is
your Hostless Pelika with my good friends Patri Burke and
Kate Abbot. I mean I was ready. I knew Bones
was ready. It was time. I didn't have any reservations,
but he didn't rush me through it.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
The other animals were.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
I had put the two dogs in the back bedroom.
The cats could come and go, but nobody was right there.
It was just Bones and I and Bones went easily.
Then I went and got Hero, brought him out on leash.
He sniffed. Was startled initially when he sniffed Bones, but
he sniffed and went hmm. I could see the wheels
(20:46):
turney when he was ready to turn away from Bones,
and I took him back to the bedroom and I
brought Seven out. Now, I wasn't expecting much of a
reaction from Seven because her playmate is Hero. Bones was
like all right, But she came out, took one sniff
of Bones, jumped on top of him, laid down on
(21:09):
top of him, straddling his body, and growled at the veterinarian, WHOA,
what did you do to him? He took a couple
of steps back. Now I had the leasha onner so
I could make sure she didn't do anything. But my
chin is down on my chest.
Speaker 5 (21:27):
I'm sure because I'm going.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Now. She's too, coming into adulthood. But Bones had never
she'd never shown any signs that Bones was that important
to her.
Speaker 5 (21:41):
It's always been Hero.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
But he was always there, and he was always.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
In charge, and he was always vital and moving and
energetic and yes, the boss. And that reaction was over quickly,
you know. She grounded at the veterinarian. He took a
couple of steps back, and then she kind of shook
it off and I took her back to the bedroom.
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It was at that point that Kirk, my big orange
cat who's six, a couple of years younger than Bones,
wandered out of his own volition. He sniffed Bones, sniffed
his back feet, sniffed his front feet, put his paws
up on the love seat where Bones was sniffed his mouth,
(22:27):
sat down in front of the love seat, and as
cats do, wrapped his tail around his feet and just
stared at Bones for a while. Seemed like a long time.
It was probably maybe only twenty or thirty seconds, but
it seemed like because we just froze, what's the cat doing?
Speaker 5 (22:42):
We didn't neither. The veteran I removed, and then Kirk
got up and wandered away.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
No, it was like he was.
Speaker 5 (22:50):
Acknowledging or speaking to his spirit or speaking of.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Cats.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Yeah, you'd never know, but it was like, WHOA Now.
The other thing that this veterinarian did, and I know
several veterinarians who do in home use in Asia offer
the same thing. They will either leave your pet with you,
so if you have property and you can legally bury
your pet, if you want to do that, you can.
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I live in suburbia. There's no way I could do that.
No way I could take a hold that deep if
I wanted to. But I'm not sure i'd be comfortable
with that anyway, with a fifty pound on a even
a smaller dollar.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
My mother's terrier died and she was living in a
suburb housing complex. Yeah, and she buried them in the backyard. Yeah.
First of all, if you are going to do so,
just you know, wrap in fabric. Don't put them into herwhere?
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Oh where your mom?
Speaker 6 (23:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (23:53):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Or plastic bags. The couple that owned my mom and
dad's house before they moved into it had a mixed
breed dog pass and they wrapped him really really securely
in plastic.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Bags, and then my mom put it into the work.
So found was that your mom or that your dad?
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Yeah? My dad was doing so. But I knew the
dog because I knew the couple well. Between the sandy
soil and the gentleman getting older and didn't dig a
terribly deep pull and the high water table and plastic bags,
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the dog was coming up out of the soil. So
Dad was doing yard work and was seeing edges of
a trash bag, and so it started pulling up or
digging up the trash bag, and it was a mummified
dog in trash bag. He hadn't even digged post significantly
(25:02):
because he was so well wrapped. Cremated in a little box. Yeah,
all of my previous dogs where I have an assortment
of little cedar boxes with baggies here, and this veterinarian
took ones with him, and he took him to be cremated.
And they'll call me when he's read it, and he'll
(25:25):
join my collection. And then when I'm in my retirement
home and I have my dreamed greenhouse and raised bed gardens,
I will sprinkle them all and I'll take that little
plate off the front of the cedar box and put
it in them, and then we'll see how well the
tomatoes grow and how well the flowers grow.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
And I still laugh in a weird way. A friend
who named me an executor of her steak. She had
all the cedar boxes, cats, dogs, and rabbits. Yeah, she
did have rabbit society. Yeah, so there were maybe twelve
fourteen boxes there.
Speaker 5 (26:06):
I've got four or five.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
And her brother had died the year before, and she
had his and they had set to her the ashes,
which were in a plastic bag in a brown cardboard box.
Speaker 5 (26:20):
But all the pets were in cedar boxes.
Speaker 7 (26:22):
And there her brother sat in his cardboard box, hard
work box, you know, And and there wasn't a whole
lot of identification that I'm like, what's in here, Oh dear,
I should learn than the oak boxes.
Speaker 6 (26:42):
Yeah, your mom, but just the stories you told us
about your momma, I am really not surprised at the box.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Yeah. I was putting in an underground plumbing the sprinkler
system in her backyard after she passed to sort of yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
It was right there in my in my line, my
trench line.
Speaker 5 (27:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Should we ask what you did then rebaged them into
city trash? Yeah, yeah, that was It wasn't like when
I found the ordinance and the animal can that got
a call to the car apartment. Oh my, Like I say,
I'm going to quit opening boxes, oh my, oh dear,
(27:24):
there is another option. Yes, with my own collection of boxes,
I'm considering this. You take a little bit of the
they send, You can tell you how much to send
a few ashes, and you send it to these companies
and then you can pick the color of the crystal.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Paperweights something like jewelry pennants or I did draw the line.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
At the noseprint necklace.
Speaker 5 (27:52):
Oh yeah, that was too much.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
For me personally. It's okay with others, but yeah, I
kind of liked the idea of these little.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Globes in the portion of them with a swirl of
color or yeah, that appeals to me. I'm not terribly
big and on the knick knacks, but yeah.
Speaker 5 (28:15):
Yeah. The other thing that actually I would rather.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Have those out than the collection of cedar boxes.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Yeah, well, collect boxes are not out there is they're
in a trunk. I saw another one that would put
some of their ashes in homemade paper with tree seeds,
so you can take that piece of paper. I think
it's supposed to I don't know anyway, it's homemade paper
(28:41):
that will dissolve biodegradable, and the ashes are woven into it,
and then the tree seeds, and I guess you can
pick certain types of trees and you know, again, if
you're going to be living in that house for a
period of time, or if you want to go out
in the forest or something and then plant it.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
In truth, I think you can even send it to
them and they will compress it into a man made diamond.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Oh I've seen those two. Yeah, it's just I think
the trees are cheaper, probably if you're on a budget.
All right, well that's it. Hope we gave you something
to talk about and tune into.
Speaker 6 (29:21):
Where Oh my head, just I can't imagine engagement reading
Oh here's my diamond man made my dead dog.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Oh God on that. Now. We're gonna let you go,
but tune into our next podcast. We're gonna talk about
what happens at home, what happens with your other pets
after your pet has passed on, because there's always gonna
be some changes. So anyway, tune in for that. We'll
see you later.
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