February 14, 2025 • 29 mins
In your quest to bring out the best in your puppy or dog, dog trainer/author Angie Winters unleashes this advice: Don't train your dog; parent your dog. In this lively Oh Behave show episode, Angie shares her refreshing advice on dogs to host Arden Moore. Angie is the author of a must-get new book called: "Don't Train Your Dog: A Pet Parenting Guide to Teaching Good Behavior, Calming Fears and Raising Happy Dogs."
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Speaker 2 (00:48):
Welcome to the Old Behave Show on Pet Life Radio.
I'm your host Arden Moore. Hey, our special guest today.
She's about to school us on how to bring out
the best in our and she boldly declares the key
to success is to focus on pet parenting and not
(01:09):
dog training. Her approach, I think is refreshing and much needed.
Please welcome to our show. The author of a musket book.
It is called Don't Train Your Dog. She is Angie Winters.
Welcome to the show.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Angie, thank you, thanks for having me. I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Hey everyone, it's a big long subtitle. Everybody, I'm gonna
take two breaths. Here we go. Don't Train your Dog,
a pet parenting guide to teaching good behavior, calming fears,
and raising happy dogs. You said it, girl, you had
me at Don't Train.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
Got to cover everything you know. It's got to cover
everything you know, and that anything that the parent might need.
So's rist and.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Now, as we live in the post COVID time when
we have all these pandemic dogs running around, this is
a book that is so timely. We're going to dig
into the book after we take quick break, and you
all know the drill, sip, stay, We'll be right back.
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Let's talk pets on Petlife Radio dot com. All behaviors
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the household with your pets. Now back to your fetching host,
America's pet Ed You Jayner, Arden Moore, Welcome back to.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
The old Behave Show on pet Life Radio. I'm your host, Ardenmore.
I'm so excited to have Angie on our show because,
in her own words, she has studied, raised, and rehabilitated
more than one thousand dogs and she has a new
book out it's called Don't Train Your Dogs. She hails
from the fine state of Ohio and Angie, just as
(03:41):
a little background, tell us about you have a site
called Parenting for Dogs? Is that correct? And it's the
letter four, So people want to know a little bit
of your background. So you're in Ohio, you are dog's
best friend and hopefully keeping sanity for pet parents.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
Yes, you know it's hard to believe, even for me,
but the story starts twenty eight years ago where I
really just started volunteering to help some dog rescues. I
didn't belong to any rescue. I just helped them with
behavior because I had already with my own dogs, realized
there were things that needed to be fixed in the
family life that dogs didn't understand with typical training. So
(04:21):
I had this initial you know, aha moment about oh, now,
this is what's causing that. And then fast forward many
many dogs and many many parents later. I from working
in the rescue world, the training world, the you know,
understanding what the vets and the medication and how that
plays in understanding shelters and everything, I was able to
see this big picture, and so I started bringing just
(04:43):
the worst of the worst cases to my house, not
doing any just regular training, just bringing for rescues these
dogs that had already were scheduled for euthanasia due to
you know, extreme behavioral problems where they just couldn't were
they just couldn't be in anybody's house. So by figuring
that out, which was extremely challenging, but I can't stand
to watch suffering. I was, you know, I was like,
(05:04):
I got to help this, and so I was compelled
to do that, but I was raising two kids.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Well, you've got to give a shout out to your boys.
Come on, they're going to listen to it.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
Yes, their entire childhood were wrapped up in this springing
dog after dog after dog, and I'm really proud to
say that. You know, they have grown into you know,
wonderful young men and they actually help with dogs and
help with parenting for dogs now and they're working video
and the tech world and organic farming and everything.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
So, oh, say their names, because they're going to be
one to hear. Mom.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
Yes, it's Jake Winters and Griffin Winters. Okay, I'm glad
you remember your kids' names. Well, well, I'll tell you
that I've constantly call them the wrong name all the
time anyway, and busy family life, so that this won't
be a surprise.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
To them names.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
So the end result is when I started seeing this,
and I was seeing that the dog training world was
causing parents to be paralyzed, and they are either doing
no rules or because they're afraid to make a wrong move.
You know, either either it's two firm obedience strict or
it's too over permissive. And then they just got their
hands tied and now this dog's being surrendered. And you know,
(06:09):
the rates were skyrocketing, so and people and they were
losing their homes. And I'm seeing it in everyday life.
I'm working with people and so. But I go in
and use these different techniques and explain to parents more practical,
simple things. But they're from a parenting perspective, not from
training a domesticated or wild animal. That's where it gets
off is because we've been talked this mentality of but
(06:29):
really dogs are so emotionally entwined with us and so
intellectual that these things not only just fall short and
teaching them, they actually cause confusion in the long run.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Exactly. And you actually have your book, which I like,
Don't Train Your Dog. You have it divided in two sections.
You have the one the first is all about dog
parenting and you say proclaimed and explained, and then in
the second everything's gonna be okay.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
So I want to dive into this because you talk
about the different styles of dog training. You say there
is the authoritarian, the all positive and the one you
really want, which is a firm but supportive parental guidance.
So dive right in, all right, I'm the boss. Why
does that not work as an approach to having a relationship,
(07:19):
a real relationship with your dog.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
So the reason why that doesn't work or that falls sure,
because it doesn't teach it. It doesn't teach. It's not
about learning moments, okay, it's about you obeying me. So
the same reason why that doesn't work with children is
the same reason why it doesn't work with dogs exactly.
So this balance with children, which is, you know, we
pretty much has a society understand that you know, the
kids need firm but supportive guidance. Okay, So there are
(07:44):
certain safety rules and rules that have to be but
they're taught in a way that's supportive and there it
isn't this this punishment after the fact kind of thing
that doesn't teach. You know, focus is on teaching. So
that's just what dogs. It's just that the way you
provide this firm, supportive guidance to dogs is different than
you do it with kids. So that's why I make
(08:05):
that distinction, because they both need parented Okay, because My
definition of parenting is providing love, support and guidance to
vulnerable members of a family. So they both see that, right,
But how you do the actual guidance with dogs in
everyday modern life is different than you do it with kids.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
But on the flip side, and I've been through a
number of classes where it seems like I have to
bring in a big old bucket of treats and it's like, good,
sit tree, good look at me tree. What's the danger
of that? All positive? Or you call it too permissive
style of approaching to bring out the best in a dog?
Speaker 4 (08:44):
Right, So the reason why I call it too permissive
of I mean, I'm super positive with dogs. Everything that
I do go abuse, it's positive. But where they make
the mistake is to consider just treats and distractions are
going to be able to teach family life skills. So
and it actually muddies the water for parents because when
they first see, you know, set for tree, because dogs
are so intelligent and they're so intertwined with us, of
(09:05):
course they're going to learn it set for And then
they're like, look, how smarty is that? This Communication's going great?
But then either the trainer leaves and then the behavior
starts going off the rails because parents are led to
believe that they can teach these family skills that are
you know, don't buy kids, don't run out the door
without you know, into in front of a car without
(09:26):
being told you can leave. They think they can teach
those the same way they taught the tricks, And nothing
could be further from the truth. And so therefore it
starts this decline where they have nothing else to work
with and that they are told that dogs are going
to be hurt by teaching truly what isn't allowed. But
I've developed everything into very simple recipes and prescriptions for parents.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Yeah, in your graphics. The book's about one hundred and
forty pages everyone, and it does have prescriptions for things.
It does have these recipes for success. But you also,
because we live in the digital age, talk a little
bit about you also offer another thing with your book
that people can download. It's a companion.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
Yeah, it's a digital companion to the book. So I
think this is probably the first book or of the publishers,
and I mean nobody else seen it but done this way.
But we have developed a digital companion into the book.
It's not an e book.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
You have a QR code, right, you have a QR.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
Code in that as you're reading the book, you can
scan this QR code and you can go to the
digital companion. So the things I've just told you that,
here's this recipe and here's how it works. If you
want to see that happening in real life because you
want that extra you know, Educational Avenue, all parents can
go there and they get access to that with the
book that they can see it being done in real
(10:43):
life with different dogs, different ages. These are recipes that
work with all varieties of dogs. It's not like that.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Yeah, all ages too.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
Yeah, parents have lost hope. And so when you lose hope,
that's when dogs start getting surrendered, people get injured dogs.
You know, dogs don't have a fair chance to learn.
And then life gets busy and then everybody's like, you
should never give away your dog. Of course I never would.
I never have, and you know I advocate with that.
But it's like if a dog is buying a kid
and you're raising three kids and you can't do anything
(11:12):
about it, they are eventually going to.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Lose their home exactly. Hey, we're speaking with Angie Winters.
We're gonna dive in a little bit more. We got
to take a quick break. But she is an author
of Don't Train Your Dog. I want you to check
it out. Also, her website is parenting four Dogs with
the letter four in there, so check that out. But
we're going to take a quick break. Sit stay, We'll
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be right back.
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Speaker 2 (12:50):
Here's Arden, Welcome back to the Obehay Show on Pet
Life Radio. I'm your host, Ardenmore. I like that you're
you're being refreshing, as I said, and practicle parents don't
have a lot of time, whether they have kids or
dogs both. But you said something in the intro I
really appreciated you said that don't be handcuffed by indecision.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
So we love our dogs and we want them to
live the best life, and parents get handcuffed because if
they only have to choose between all this noise in
the dog training world, which is what I'm doing, is
my book cuts through that noise and right to parents
and says here there are other options, just because you
haven't seen it in the typical dog training world, that
are fighting each other, and parents are getting caught in
(13:36):
the crossfire of all these attacks on each other. So
that's rendering parents paralyzed, what I call parental paralysis by analysis.
So then you don't make a move because you're afraid
that it's going to cause your dog to have fear
or aggression, or you're afraid that they'll be, you know,
turn into a Tasmanian devil, you know, if you don't
give them mini. So therefore, parents either do two things.
(13:58):
And I've just been doing this for twenty eight years.
This is why I know it usually comes down to
two things. They either give up and don't try to
do any rules, which goes off the rails and causes
beer and aggression to develop. Or they try to do
too many strict rules and try to try to turn
them into obedient robots, and that doesn't work either, which
creates fear and ultimately aggression. So this is common sense,
(14:19):
practical advice that goes against the you know, billion dollar
typical dog training world. I'm just saying. I mean I
actually didn't choose I didn't choose this past myself like dogs,
because of my work with dogs, because of the things
that have happened to me in my life. I mean,
this was chosen for me. And so then when I
feel like I owe it to dogs, you know, I'm
(14:42):
not a big dog training you know business, or make
a bunch of money or even want to be in
public life. I'm only doing this for dogs and for parents,
and so it is direct.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Well and it's coming from the heart and you are
using passion, which is good. Your book is well written,
it's very practical, it's very conversational. And you said, you know,
I did this because of dogs, So I know he's
up in dog heaven right now. But who was Hustle
And how was this dog an inspiration to you? Well?
Speaker 4 (15:14):
Yeah, I mean it's still it seems like the loss
of him three years ago is like it seems like
the pain doesn't dull the tiniest even amount, which you'd
think it would do all the little bit, but it
hasn't at all for me. And you're actually very good
at your job. I could tell you've been doing this
for a long time because you're actually the first one
that's asked me about him.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Hustle is important.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
I appreciate it. He is very important, and you know,
I owe it to him to keep going with this
work because he dedicated his whole white kind of dog
was doing.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
His personality border Collie. Okay, oh, so he was kind
of dumb. I'm just teasing out you border Collie people
out there. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
Yeah, he couldn't put two and two it together. Yeah, yeah,
I know, but he could build a bridge. He could
extremely smart, and you know, but what's amazing is like
he was very smart. Okay, obviously you know he's a
genius in the dog world, but by parenting him with this,
with this approach, it allowed him and me to see
the full extent that all dogs can develop self control,
(16:07):
can come up with ideas and choices on their own,
and he would come up with ideas. By about the
third dog we had brought in of these extreme dog cases,
he decided that he and I were partners. Like I
didn't try to get him to be involved in it.
He decided he knew that we were what we were doing.
And it was literally like intuitively, he knew that he
was going to help these dogs. And he started at
(16:29):
such a young age, and I did it for so
many years that it was just like that was his
life's work. And I just can't even imagine like the
amount of dogs that he saved and the insight and
the things that he taught me. So I owe it
to him also to keep going with this regardless of
the challenges and well you.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Put in your book you say that you need to
look at it from a human dog symbiotic relationship, and
I have a dog ConA a terrier mix and she's
the most intuitive dog I've ever had. She helps me
teach pet first day and other things. I jokingly say,
we finish each other's sentences. I can just look at
her and I feel it, and I think maybe because
(17:10):
of some of your methods that you advocate. I'm not
a drill sergeant to ConA, and I'm not oh woz
woozy woozy to ConA. It's like I'm kind of in
the middle. I'm like, hey, let's do this, and you
say two in your book, we really have to pay
attention to the cues of the dog because they really
(17:30):
are communicating. It is not a one way communication, right,
So expand on that because we need to listen to them.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
Yes, because this will tell you everything you need to know.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
But still buy her book.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
Yeah, this will tell you everything you need to know
and to make you realize, I have to buy that
book because this is cutting edge thinking on like, this
is a break. I mean, I've been doing it for
twenty eight years. It's just now society has done this
dog training thing and we've been born with this and
that's been beaten into our heads for so long. They're
just now realizing they've gotten to the point where they
know it's not worth right, it's just too many problems.
If it was working, dog behavioral problems and shelters would
(18:04):
be going down, it wouldn't be going up. So when
dogs are born with us, they're born entangled with us,
because you know, studies show they're born they know to
read our face, they know to everything. Then we can
use our finger pointing and looks, our eye movements and
they will exactly nowhere to go to locate an object.
So that's your first clue. When a tennis ball runs
(18:25):
under the couch, right, they immediately if they can't get it,
they immediately look to you for help. Right. So, but
they're born with that, they don't learn that. So that
tells you they're born entangled with us. So here's how
they're communicating with us. They already know this, right, they
communicate with us on that level. And we go like
this down.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
And you want to say dumb to you parents, to
us two leggers, Yeah, you're right. It's like, wait a minute,
stop and read the dog. The dog is talking. The
dog has the floor.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
Right, And it's like when people see this information, that's
what they always say they're like and then they see
it work and be Luckily, I've was uniquely in a
position to because I documented all this because I had
had some experience in the video world, so I documented
at two in the morning everything I was doing with
these dogs. It started out doing it just so I
could give it to rescue people so they could help,
you know, do what I was doing. When I realized
(19:15):
I was discovering some solutions, so I started as that.
But then they became this gold that I had, this
all this video and all these notes and folders and
folders I've now down twenty years.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Book was ready to percolate. You actually have and I
love this. You talk about doggie rights and you say
one respectful treatment, two be included, and three feel safe.
Please can you put that as a tattoo on everybody's forehead?
I just can't.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
Yeah, I mean, and the reason why, and people, but
with the dog training mentality lead you to believe that
these things that you think are making and feel safe
don't feel safe.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Right, give me an example, So let's give it.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
This is a very dramatic example of the difference, and
it's easy for people to understand because everybody has this
thing about the crate, bring up the crate, like, oh God,
please don't talk about the crate.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Like crate is great.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
Yeah, crate is great, But the way it's presented with
typical dog training most often, now, if you start with puppies,
sometimes you can keep it, but a lot of times
it still goes off the rail. But I have in
my experience, I have had hundreds of dogs, and I'm
you can see it on video that this works on
every dog. And the reason why it works is because
typical dog training, I say, what do you do when
(20:24):
the dog's afraid of the crate or won't go in
the crate. Well, then I have him perform a down,
I have him sit and give him a treat by
the crate. I have him then get in the crate
and perform it down and give him a treat. It's like,
well if that what if that won't happen? Then the
human starts getting frustrated, the dog trainer starts getting frustrated,
and the dogs are reading that frustration all over your face.
They don't you can't hide that. So then you're like,
I gotta walk out the door and this dog's not
(20:45):
getting in the crate. So then the frustration is gonna come.
It's set up to fail. Okay, my crate program, in
my crate recipe does not even involve the human. You
preset these parameters and I set this thing up, which
needs to be read in the book just for safety.
You got to set this up safe and that you're
always with them, but you're not involved, like you're sneaking
to looks to see if they do but you're encouraging
(21:06):
them just by treats that just fall into this crate. Magically,
it has nothing to do with you. That's what the
dog has to believe that you have nothing invested in
it getting in the crate. No human emotion can be
brought to it. This is really pretty big stuff here,
anjis it is And it's like this isn't just play
on words saying parenting. This isn't a play on a
popular pet parenting word. This is this is the true,
(21:26):
this is reality of everyday life that works it. The
book does cover big perspectives of dogs and that they
have a right to be included and they can't learn
the skills to be included when they're removed or when
they're just being taught down and stuff like that. They
need to be shown that kids can run around, things
can get loud, and they need to truly be able
to feel good about those things so that they can
be included instead of being removed. And just causes the
(21:50):
problems to be worse for the reason the reasons why
you want to remove them. It causes it to get worse,
not better. They have to be in that spot.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
To learn well. You also say kids are kids, you know,
but dogs can be a little bit like kids who
said that. You know, they do have moments of mischief
and ma'ham, their brains are still forming. You've raised two boys,
Come on, mom, let's tie so.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
And this is how I compared it because I kept
my homelike was the same, but all the dogs problems
were different. But then I kept applying the same family,
home life and guidance to it. That's how I figured
it out that it would work on all this stuff
because dogs are less psychologically complicated than humans are, obviously,
and they once they trust and respect you and you
set up a parameters for them, they change fast. But
typical dog training leaves them in years and years and
(22:33):
hundreds of repetitions saying this is going to work and
it doesn't work ultimately, So so the reason why kids
and dogs they both need communication, they both need guidance,
but they needed at different times in different ways. Like
you know, you must time your your communications dog and
then time your communication to what a child can understand,
which is a little bit later you can expand on more.
(22:54):
You know, gray areas dogs has to be black and
white guidance that makes sense to them until they're wiring
in their brain and their relationship with you at the
moment the thing is happening, or that they are feeling
that thing, and they will believe you when you say,
oh no, that kid didn't that wasn't anything bad that
kid did. He didn't mean to do anything. Lay it down.
But you must end on a good note. All those
(23:14):
experiences must end on a good note for them not
to cure if youar we have just.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
A few minutes left. But I do want you to
address because you have these thermometers in your book, a
fear thermometer, and there's a lot of dogs that have
separation anxiety, especially pandemic dogs that now people have gone
back to work and things like that. But talk about
the effective use of having like fear thermometers in your
(23:40):
book or prescriptions, you know, for recipes. I mean it's
sort of like talk about that because I feel bad
for dogs that get adopted and the people go to
work and then the dog is like they left me
right right.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
I mean, it's like, yeah, they have a right to
be included, but they also we must prepare them to
be alone, and you know, and they have to you want,
they have to feel good about resting alone and understand
that it's a logical part of the daily routine. And
dog training doesn't teach them not But this is so important. No, seriously,
but you just said we are redoing our living room.
We have no furniture in it right now. It is
(24:16):
drywall and hanging fans, and that's right to the front door.
And Kona and Emma, my two dogs, always would sit
on top of the couch through the curtains and wait
for people or do whatever. They don't have that option
because there's no furniture. So I put in their big
doggy square foam bed in the living room and we
see exactly around and looked and they were both sleeping
(24:38):
on the dog bed in the empty living room instead
of in our bedroom.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
With the TV on because I had to think about them.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
Right, Yeah, that's the routine. It's just like a two
year old, you know, And in essence they remain perpetual
two year olds in our modern day life. So and
a two year old loves its routine, and dolls want
to do the same thing at the same time, with
the same stuff in the same order. Good.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
That's what I hope we get out of you.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
Papping into that is how you know, once you once
they and you guide them into saying, no, this is
just a routine we do that's never going to be allowed.
But here's this is allowed, and here's how we do it.
Once they get that down, you don't have to be
worried about it anymore because they perform their routine. That
gives them comfort, and you know, they move around with confidence.
When they truly know what's allowed and what's not allowed,
(25:21):
they move around with confidence and they'll just enact this routine.
But people almost don't believe it. They say that seems
like magic. That can't be that simple, it can't be
that practical, and it's like, well it is, and you've
heard it first.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
From Anngie Winters. Hey, Angie what's the one thing you
think dogs have done to make you a better human? Well?
Speaker 3 (25:40):
Are well?
Speaker 4 (25:41):
Dogs are a purpose of my entire life, because you
know they I was. It's a long personal story, but
I was the recipient of a miracle, and I know
that the dogs are the reasons why I got a
second chance at life. I mean, I you know I
faced my death to.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Oh come on, you can't just say that.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
I know. I know it's like the personal part's hardest
to talk about. But the only reason why I talk
about it is because it's important. Because people understand that
the only reason why I'm doing this is to repay
dogs and to make things better for dogs. And so
I say to them, if you felt dogs saved your life,
or you know dogs saved your life and the work
you were doing with them, and that you were finding
solutions that you could keep dogs in their home and
(26:18):
stop the suffering and make everything better for parents, and
you believe they saved your life, could you quit?
Speaker 2 (26:24):
No?
Speaker 4 (26:24):
I can't. So it's like there's hard, dark times and
dark days and everything. But dogs have taught me everything
that I needed to know, including my dog Hustle helped
teach me what I needed to do. They've taught me
what humans need to do and what they need from humans,
and so I can't stop. I have to keep spreading
information no matter what it takes.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Well. You are as my motto is bringing out the
best and pets and their people, and that's what your
mission is, and that's why I'm so honored to have
you as a guest on our show. Tell people again
the title of the book and how they can get
the pause on it, you know.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
So the book is Don't Train Your Dog, and it's
available Amazon, but you can also go to our website
as parentingfodogs dot com and the social media is it's
been Angie for Dogs for a long time also with
the number four, so there's a combined branding going on
now where we're we're shifting to focus and to create
all our content around this new, very practical book of parenting,
(27:19):
Don't Train Your Dog.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
It's absolutely one of my favorite dog books, and I've
written a few and I've read a zillion. So I
was so happy to have you on because you're bringing
parenting skills into the world of dogs and pups and
we need that.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
That's a compliment coming from you, for sure. I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Hey everybody, at this time, I also want to give
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Speaker 2 (00:48):
Welcome to the Old Behave Show on Pet Life Radio.
I'm your host Arden Moore. Hey, our special guest today.
She's about to school us on how to bring out
the best in our and she boldly declares the key
to success is to focus on pet parenting and not
(01:09):
dog training. Her approach, I think is refreshing and much needed.
Please welcome to our show. The author of a musket book.
It is called Don't Train Your Dog. She is Angie Winters.
Welcome to the show.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Angie, thank you, thanks for having me. I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Hey everyone, it's a big long subtitle. Everybody, I'm gonna
take two breaths. Here we go. Don't Train your Dog,
a pet parenting guide to teaching good behavior, calming fears,
and raising happy dogs. You said it, girl, you had
me at Don't Train.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
Got to cover everything you know. It's got to cover
everything you know, and that anything that the parent might need.
So's rist and.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Now, as we live in the post COVID time when
we have all these pandemic dogs running around, this is
a book that is so timely. We're going to dig
into the book after we take quick break, and you
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Speaker 2 (03:18):
The old Behave Show on pet Life Radio. I'm your host, Ardenmore.
I'm so excited to have Angie on our show because,
in her own words, she has studied, raised, and rehabilitated
more than one thousand dogs and she has a new
book out it's called Don't Train Your Dogs. She hails
from the fine state of Ohio and Angie, just as
(03:41):
a little background, tell us about you have a site
called Parenting for Dogs? Is that correct? And it's the
letter four, So people want to know a little bit
of your background. So you're in Ohio, you are dog's
best friend and hopefully keeping sanity for pet parents.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
Yes, you know it's hard to believe, even for me,
but the story starts twenty eight years ago where I
really just started volunteering to help some dog rescues. I
didn't belong to any rescue. I just helped them with
behavior because I had already with my own dogs, realized
there were things that needed to be fixed in the
family life that dogs didn't understand with typical training. So
(04:21):
I had this initial you know, aha moment about oh, now,
this is what's causing that. And then fast forward many
many dogs and many many parents later. I from working
in the rescue world, the training world, the you know,
understanding what the vets and the medication and how that
plays in understanding shelters and everything, I was able to
see this big picture, and so I started bringing just
(04:43):
the worst of the worst cases to my house, not
doing any just regular training, just bringing for rescues these
dogs that had already were scheduled for euthanasia due to
you know, extreme behavioral problems where they just couldn't were
they just couldn't be in anybody's house. So by figuring
that out, which was extremely challenging, but I can't stand
to watch suffering. I was, you know, I was like,
(05:04):
I got to help this, and so I was compelled
to do that, but I was raising two kids.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Well, you've got to give a shout out to your boys.
Come on, they're going to listen to it.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
Yes, their entire childhood were wrapped up in this springing
dog after dog after dog, and I'm really proud to
say that. You know, they have grown into you know,
wonderful young men and they actually help with dogs and
help with parenting for dogs now and they're working video
and the tech world and organic farming and everything.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
So, oh, say their names, because they're going to be
one to hear. Mom.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
Yes, it's Jake Winters and Griffin Winters. Okay, I'm glad
you remember your kids' names. Well, well, I'll tell you
that I've constantly call them the wrong name all the
time anyway, and busy family life, so that this won't
be a surprise.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
To them names.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
So the end result is when I started seeing this,
and I was seeing that the dog training world was
causing parents to be paralyzed, and they are either doing
no rules or because they're afraid to make a wrong move.
You know, either either it's two firm obedience strict or
it's too over permissive. And then they just got their
hands tied and now this dog's being surrendered. And you know,
(06:09):
the rates were skyrocketing, so and people and they were
losing their homes. And I'm seeing it in everyday life.
I'm working with people and so. But I go in
and use these different techniques and explain to parents more practical,
simple things. But they're from a parenting perspective, not from
training a domesticated or wild animal. That's where it gets
off is because we've been talked this mentality of but
(06:29):
really dogs are so emotionally entwined with us and so
intellectual that these things not only just fall short and
teaching them, they actually cause confusion in the long run.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Exactly. And you actually have your book, which I like,
Don't Train Your Dog. You have it divided in two sections.
You have the one the first is all about dog
parenting and you say proclaimed and explained, and then in
the second everything's gonna be okay.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
So I want to dive into this because you talk
about the different styles of dog training. You say there
is the authoritarian, the all positive and the one you
really want, which is a firm but supportive parental guidance.
So dive right in, all right, I'm the boss. Why
does that not work as an approach to having a relationship,
(07:19):
a real relationship with your dog.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
So the reason why that doesn't work or that falls sure,
because it doesn't teach it. It doesn't teach. It's not
about learning moments, okay, it's about you obeying me. So
the same reason why that doesn't work with children is
the same reason why it doesn't work with dogs exactly.
So this balance with children, which is, you know, we
pretty much has a society understand that you know, the
kids need firm but supportive guidance. Okay, So there are
(07:44):
certain safety rules and rules that have to be but
they're taught in a way that's supportive and there it
isn't this this punishment after the fact kind of thing
that doesn't teach. You know, focus is on teaching. So
that's just what dogs. It's just that the way you
provide this firm, supportive guidance to dogs is different than
you do it with kids. So that's why I make
(08:05):
that distinction, because they both need parented Okay, because My
definition of parenting is providing love, support and guidance to
vulnerable members of a family. So they both see that, right,
But how you do the actual guidance with dogs in
everyday modern life is different than you do it with kids.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
But on the flip side, and I've been through a
number of classes where it seems like I have to
bring in a big old bucket of treats and it's like, good,
sit tree, good look at me tree. What's the danger
of that? All positive? Or you call it too permissive
style of approaching to bring out the best in a dog?
Speaker 4 (08:44):
Right, So the reason why I call it too permissive
of I mean, I'm super positive with dogs. Everything that
I do go abuse, it's positive. But where they make
the mistake is to consider just treats and distractions are
going to be able to teach family life skills. So
and it actually muddies the water for parents because when
they first see, you know, set for tree, because dogs
are so intelligent and they're so intertwined with us, of
(09:05):
course they're going to learn it set for And then
they're like, look, how smarty is that? This Communication's going great?
But then either the trainer leaves and then the behavior
starts going off the rails because parents are led to
believe that they can teach these family skills that are
you know, don't buy kids, don't run out the door
without you know, into in front of a car without
(09:26):
being told you can leave. They think they can teach
those the same way they taught the tricks, And nothing
could be further from the truth. And so therefore it
starts this decline where they have nothing else to work
with and that they are told that dogs are going
to be hurt by teaching truly what isn't allowed. But
I've developed everything into very simple recipes and prescriptions for parents.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Yeah, in your graphics. The book's about one hundred and
forty pages everyone, and it does have prescriptions for things.
It does have these recipes for success. But you also,
because we live in the digital age, talk a little
bit about you also offer another thing with your book
that people can download. It's a companion.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
Yeah, it's a digital companion to the book. So I
think this is probably the first book or of the publishers,
and I mean nobody else seen it but done this way.
But we have developed a digital companion into the book.
It's not an e book.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
You have a QR code, right, you have a QR.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
Code in that as you're reading the book, you can
scan this QR code and you can go to the
digital companion. So the things I've just told you that,
here's this recipe and here's how it works. If you
want to see that happening in real life because you
want that extra you know, Educational Avenue, all parents can
go there and they get access to that with the
book that they can see it being done in real
(10:43):
life with different dogs, different ages. These are recipes that
work with all varieties of dogs. It's not like that.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Yeah, all ages too.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
Yeah, parents have lost hope. And so when you lose hope,
that's when dogs start getting surrendered, people get injured dogs.
You know, dogs don't have a fair chance to learn.
And then life gets busy and then everybody's like, you
should never give away your dog. Of course I never would.
I never have, and you know I advocate with that.
But it's like if a dog is buying a kid
and you're raising three kids and you can't do anything
(11:12):
about it, they are eventually going to.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Lose their home exactly. Hey, we're speaking with Angie Winters.
We're gonna dive in a little bit more. We got
to take a quick break. But she is an author
of Don't Train Your Dog. I want you to check
it out. Also, her website is parenting four Dogs with
the letter four in there, so check that out. But
we're going to take a quick break. Sit stay, We'll
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be right back.
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Speaker 2 (12:50):
Here's Arden, Welcome back to the Obehay Show on Pet
Life Radio. I'm your host, Ardenmore. I like that you're
you're being refreshing, as I said, and practicle parents don't
have a lot of time, whether they have kids or
dogs both. But you said something in the intro I
really appreciated you said that don't be handcuffed by indecision.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
So we love our dogs and we want them to
live the best life, and parents get handcuffed because if
they only have to choose between all this noise in
the dog training world, which is what I'm doing, is
my book cuts through that noise and right to parents
and says here there are other options, just because you
haven't seen it in the typical dog training world, that
are fighting each other, and parents are getting caught in
(13:36):
the crossfire of all these attacks on each other. So
that's rendering parents paralyzed, what I call parental paralysis by analysis.
So then you don't make a move because you're afraid
that it's going to cause your dog to have fear
or aggression, or you're afraid that they'll be, you know,
turn into a Tasmanian devil, you know, if you don't
give them mini. So therefore, parents either do two things.
(13:58):
And I've just been doing this for twenty eight years.
This is why I know it usually comes down to
two things. They either give up and don't try to
do any rules, which goes off the rails and causes
beer and aggression to develop. Or they try to do
too many strict rules and try to try to turn
them into obedient robots, and that doesn't work either, which
creates fear and ultimately aggression. So this is common sense,
(14:19):
practical advice that goes against the you know, billion dollar
typical dog training world. I'm just saying. I mean I
actually didn't choose I didn't choose this past myself like dogs,
because of my work with dogs, because of the things
that have happened to me in my life. I mean,
this was chosen for me. And so then when I
feel like I owe it to dogs, you know, I'm
(14:42):
not a big dog training you know business, or make
a bunch of money or even want to be in
public life. I'm only doing this for dogs and for parents,
and so it is direct.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Well and it's coming from the heart and you are
using passion, which is good. Your book is well written,
it's very practical, it's very conversational. And you said, you know,
I did this because of dogs, So I know he's
up in dog heaven right now. But who was Hustle
And how was this dog an inspiration to you? Well?
Speaker 4 (15:14):
Yeah, I mean it's still it seems like the loss
of him three years ago is like it seems like
the pain doesn't dull the tiniest even amount, which you'd
think it would do all the little bit, but it
hasn't at all for me. And you're actually very good
at your job. I could tell you've been doing this
for a long time because you're actually the first one
that's asked me about him.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Hustle is important.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
I appreciate it. He is very important, and you know,
I owe it to him to keep going with this
work because he dedicated his whole white kind of dog
was doing.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
His personality border Collie. Okay, oh, so he was kind
of dumb. I'm just teasing out you border Collie people
out there. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
Yeah, he couldn't put two and two it together. Yeah, yeah,
I know, but he could build a bridge. He could
extremely smart, and you know, but what's amazing is like
he was very smart. Okay, obviously you know he's a
genius in the dog world, but by parenting him with this,
with this approach, it allowed him and me to see
the full extent that all dogs can develop self control,
(16:07):
can come up with ideas and choices on their own,
and he would come up with ideas. By about the
third dog we had brought in of these extreme dog cases,
he decided that he and I were partners. Like I
didn't try to get him to be involved in it.
He decided he knew that we were what we were doing.
And it was literally like intuitively, he knew that he
was going to help these dogs. And he started at
(16:29):
such a young age, and I did it for so
many years that it was just like that was his
life's work. And I just can't even imagine like the
amount of dogs that he saved and the insight and
the things that he taught me. So I owe it
to him also to keep going with this regardless of
the challenges and well you.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Put in your book you say that you need to
look at it from a human dog symbiotic relationship, and
I have a dog ConA a terrier mix and she's
the most intuitive dog I've ever had. She helps me
teach pet first day and other things. I jokingly say,
we finish each other's sentences. I can just look at
her and I feel it, and I think maybe because
(17:10):
of some of your methods that you advocate. I'm not
a drill sergeant to ConA, and I'm not oh woz
woozy woozy to ConA. It's like I'm kind of in
the middle. I'm like, hey, let's do this, and you
say two in your book, we really have to pay
attention to the cues of the dog because they really
(17:30):
are communicating. It is not a one way communication, right,
So expand on that because we need to listen to them.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
Yes, because this will tell you everything you need to know.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
But still buy her book.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
Yeah, this will tell you everything you need to know
and to make you realize, I have to buy that
book because this is cutting edge thinking on like, this
is a break. I mean, I've been doing it for
twenty eight years. It's just now society has done this
dog training thing and we've been born with this and
that's been beaten into our heads for so long. They're
just now realizing they've gotten to the point where they
know it's not worth right, it's just too many problems.
If it was working, dog behavioral problems and shelters would
(18:04):
be going down, it wouldn't be going up. So when
dogs are born with us, they're born entangled with us,
because you know, studies show they're born they know to
read our face, they know to everything. Then we can
use our finger pointing and looks, our eye movements and
they will exactly nowhere to go to locate an object.
So that's your first clue. When a tennis ball runs
(18:25):
under the couch, right, they immediately if they can't get it,
they immediately look to you for help. Right. So, but
they're born with that, they don't learn that. So that
tells you they're born entangled with us. So here's how
they're communicating with us. They already know this, right, they
communicate with us on that level. And we go like
this down.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
And you want to say dumb to you parents, to
us two leggers, Yeah, you're right. It's like, wait a minute,
stop and read the dog. The dog is talking. The
dog has the floor.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
Right, And it's like when people see this information, that's
what they always say they're like and then they see
it work and be Luckily, I've was uniquely in a
position to because I documented all this because I had
had some experience in the video world, so I documented
at two in the morning everything I was doing with
these dogs. It started out doing it just so I
could give it to rescue people so they could help,
you know, do what I was doing. When I realized
(19:15):
I was discovering some solutions, so I started as that.
But then they became this gold that I had, this
all this video and all these notes and folders and
folders I've now down twenty years.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Book was ready to percolate. You actually have and I
love this. You talk about doggie rights and you say
one respectful treatment, two be included, and three feel safe.
Please can you put that as a tattoo on everybody's forehead?
I just can't.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
Yeah, I mean, and the reason why, and people, but
with the dog training mentality lead you to believe that
these things that you think are making and feel safe
don't feel safe.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Right, give me an example, So let's give it.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
This is a very dramatic example of the difference, and
it's easy for people to understand because everybody has this
thing about the crate, bring up the crate, like, oh God,
please don't talk about the crate.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Like crate is great.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
Yeah, crate is great, But the way it's presented with
typical dog training most often, now, if you start with puppies,
sometimes you can keep it, but a lot of times
it still goes off the rail. But I have in
my experience, I have had hundreds of dogs, and I'm
you can see it on video that this works on
every dog. And the reason why it works is because
typical dog training, I say, what do you do when
(20:24):
the dog's afraid of the crate or won't go in
the crate. Well, then I have him perform a down,
I have him sit and give him a treat by
the crate. I have him then get in the crate
and perform it down and give him a treat. It's like,
well if that what if that won't happen? Then the
human starts getting frustrated, the dog trainer starts getting frustrated,
and the dogs are reading that frustration all over your face.
They don't you can't hide that. So then you're like,
I gotta walk out the door and this dog's not
(20:45):
getting in the crate. So then the frustration is gonna come.
It's set up to fail. Okay, my crate program, in
my crate recipe does not even involve the human. You
preset these parameters and I set this thing up, which
needs to be read in the book just for safety.
You got to set this up safe and that you're
always with them, but you're not involved, like you're sneaking
to looks to see if they do but you're encouraging
(21:06):
them just by treats that just fall into this crate. Magically,
it has nothing to do with you. That's what the
dog has to believe that you have nothing invested in
it getting in the crate. No human emotion can be
brought to it. This is really pretty big stuff here,
anjis it is And it's like this isn't just play
on words saying parenting. This isn't a play on a
popular pet parenting word. This is this is the true,
(21:26):
this is reality of everyday life that works it. The
book does cover big perspectives of dogs and that they
have a right to be included and they can't learn
the skills to be included when they're removed or when
they're just being taught down and stuff like that. They
need to be shown that kids can run around, things
can get loud, and they need to truly be able
to feel good about those things so that they can
be included instead of being removed. And just causes the
(21:50):
problems to be worse for the reason the reasons why
you want to remove them. It causes it to get worse,
not better. They have to be in that spot.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
To learn well. You also say kids are kids, you know,
but dogs can be a little bit like kids who
said that. You know, they do have moments of mischief
and ma'ham, their brains are still forming. You've raised two boys,
Come on, mom, let's tie so.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
And this is how I compared it because I kept
my homelike was the same, but all the dogs problems
were different. But then I kept applying the same family,
home life and guidance to it. That's how I figured
it out that it would work on all this stuff
because dogs are less psychologically complicated than humans are, obviously,
and they once they trust and respect you and you
set up a parameters for them, they change fast. But
typical dog training leaves them in years and years and
(22:33):
hundreds of repetitions saying this is going to work and
it doesn't work ultimately, So so the reason why kids
and dogs they both need communication, they both need guidance,
but they needed at different times in different ways. Like
you know, you must time your your communications dog and
then time your communication to what a child can understand,
which is a little bit later you can expand on more.
(22:54):
You know, gray areas dogs has to be black and
white guidance that makes sense to them until they're wiring
in their brain and their relationship with you at the
moment the thing is happening, or that they are feeling
that thing, and they will believe you when you say,
oh no, that kid didn't that wasn't anything bad that
kid did. He didn't mean to do anything. Lay it down.
But you must end on a good note. All those
(23:14):
experiences must end on a good note for them not
to cure if youar we have just.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
A few minutes left. But I do want you to
address because you have these thermometers in your book, a
fear thermometer, and there's a lot of dogs that have
separation anxiety, especially pandemic dogs that now people have gone
back to work and things like that. But talk about
the effective use of having like fear thermometers in your
(23:40):
book or prescriptions, you know, for recipes. I mean it's
sort of like talk about that because I feel bad
for dogs that get adopted and the people go to
work and then the dog is like they left me
right right.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
I mean, it's like, yeah, they have a right to
be included, but they also we must prepare them to
be alone, and you know, and they have to you want,
they have to feel good about resting alone and understand
that it's a logical part of the daily routine. And
dog training doesn't teach them not But this is so important. No, seriously,
but you just said we are redoing our living room.
We have no furniture in it right now. It is
(24:16):
drywall and hanging fans, and that's right to the front door.
And Kona and Emma, my two dogs, always would sit
on top of the couch through the curtains and wait
for people or do whatever. They don't have that option
because there's no furniture. So I put in their big
doggy square foam bed in the living room and we
see exactly around and looked and they were both sleeping
(24:38):
on the dog bed in the empty living room instead
of in our bedroom.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
With the TV on because I had to think about them.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
Right, Yeah, that's the routine. It's just like a two
year old, you know, And in essence they remain perpetual
two year olds in our modern day life. So and
a two year old loves its routine, and dolls want
to do the same thing at the same time, with
the same stuff in the same order. Good.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
That's what I hope we get out of you.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
Papping into that is how you know, once you once
they and you guide them into saying, no, this is
just a routine we do that's never going to be allowed.
But here's this is allowed, and here's how we do it.
Once they get that down, you don't have to be
worried about it anymore because they perform their routine. That
gives them comfort, and you know, they move around with confidence.
When they truly know what's allowed and what's not allowed,
(25:21):
they move around with confidence and they'll just enact this routine.
But people almost don't believe it. They say that seems
like magic. That can't be that simple, it can't be
that practical, and it's like, well it is, and you've
heard it first.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
From Anngie Winters. Hey, Angie what's the one thing you
think dogs have done to make you a better human? Well?
Speaker 3 (25:40):
Are well?
Speaker 4 (25:41):
Dogs are a purpose of my entire life, because you
know they I was. It's a long personal story, but
I was the recipient of a miracle, and I know
that the dogs are the reasons why I got a
second chance at life. I mean, I you know I
faced my death to.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Oh come on, you can't just say that.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
I know. I know it's like the personal part's hardest
to talk about. But the only reason why I talk
about it is because it's important. Because people understand that
the only reason why I'm doing this is to repay
dogs and to make things better for dogs. And so
I say to them, if you felt dogs saved your life,
or you know dogs saved your life and the work
you were doing with them, and that you were finding
solutions that you could keep dogs in their home and
(26:18):
stop the suffering and make everything better for parents, and
you believe they saved your life, could you quit?
Speaker 2 (26:24):
No?
Speaker 4 (26:24):
I can't. So it's like there's hard, dark times and
dark days and everything. But dogs have taught me everything
that I needed to know, including my dog Hustle helped
teach me what I needed to do. They've taught me
what humans need to do and what they need from humans,
and so I can't stop. I have to keep spreading
information no matter what it takes.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Well. You are as my motto is bringing out the
best and pets and their people, and that's what your
mission is, and that's why I'm so honored to have
you as a guest on our show. Tell people again
the title of the book and how they can get
the pause on it, you know.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
So the book is Don't Train Your Dog, and it's
available Amazon, but you can also go to our website
as parentingfodogs dot com and the social media is it's
been Angie for Dogs for a long time also with
the number four, so there's a combined branding going on
now where we're we're shifting to focus and to create
all our content around this new, very practical book of parenting,
(27:19):
Don't Train Your Dog.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
It's absolutely one of my favorite dog books, and I've
written a few and I've read a zillion. So I
was so happy to have you on because you're bringing
parenting skills into the world of dogs and pups and
we need that.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
That's a compliment coming from you, for sure. I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Hey everybody, at this time, I also want to give
a shout out to my producer. Now his last name
is Winter. Our guest name was Angie Winters, but Mark
Winter is the executive producer of Pet Life Radio, the
largest radio network about pets on the planet. Please check
out the other shows on our network. You want to
(27:56):
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And I'm a master instructor in pet First Aid. I
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(28:17):
orange tabby named Casey, and we teach veterinary approved classes
in a very fun way. So go to pet First
Aid for you dot com. So until next time, this
is your flea free host Ardenmore delivering just two words
to all you two three four layers out there.
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