June 23, 2025 • 44 mins
Often times our senior communities get forgotten or overlooked, but we're hoping to change that with this new series. Morgan & her dog Remi found a special family in Abe's Garden, a senior living community they've volunteered at for over 3 years. Morgan is bringing on the COO, a manager of community programs, and a life engagement manager to show the inner workings of senior living so that we may all have a better understanding as our own families age. They share how they got into this line of work, the need for involvement, and understanding how to support our loved ones as they enter this season of life.
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Speaker 1 (00:14):
Personal Life.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
With Dames Duelsman.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
It's the start of a new series and I'm very
ready for you guys to hear these episodes. Remy and
I have been volunteering as a pet therapy team at
Apes Garden for several years now. It's a senior living
community and they have memory care support and we've been
part of this community for so long that it's become
really part of our routine of life. And this week
I get to bring on some of the incredible employees
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who make a senior living community like Abes Garden actually
work and function every hour of every day. So joining
this week is Mallory Grimes, the manager of Community Programs,
Chris Cowello, who is the chief operating officer, and Valerie Snyder,
the life Engagement manager, and those three are going to
share what their jobs mean and how they got into
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to senior living community work and why it's necessary for
people to get involved. So let's do this. I'm joined
by Mallory who has been working at Abess Garden for
a long time, and we're showing a different side of
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the senior living community and I'm really excited for you
guys to hear this. Mallori how are you.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
I'm good, how are you good?
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Thank you for being here, of course, So tell everyone
how long you've been working in this field and kind
of how you got into it.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Your story. Yeah, So I've been working at Abes Garden
for eight years. It was really my.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
First job out of college.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
I've been here since I graduated. But I grew up
really close with my grandparents. I was lucky enough to
spend time with them on the weekends, get dinner during
the week They'd come to all my games, very supportive,
and I would even hang out with their friends as
well from church. They all watched me grow up really
comfortable with this population, but I didn't know if I
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could handle it emotionally, and my grandpa and I were
especially close, and he died while I was in college
pretty unexpectedly, But I ended up choosing social work. I
knew I wanted to help people, but wasn't sure if
I could handle it, and so I did my internships
with older adults and really enjoyed it, and I've been
here ever since.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
So you mentioned that you weren't sure if you were
going to be able to handle it emotionally. When did
that change? And you were like I have to do this.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
I think it was just worth it. I think I
just decided that it feels so natural. I knew that
this is what I wanted to do. In some ways,
I think it was a way to honor my grandpa,
but it just felt very natural. And I worked really
hard in school. I worked hard to make good grades,
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but I feel like I have a really high emotional intelligence,
and so it was really a gift to finally find
a field where I could use that in social skills
and just have fun.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
And you say that there was part of that with
your grandpa that inspired that. Do you feel like when
you're doing your job in your day to day life,
are you thinking of him and the things that would
help him or would have or things that you wish
you could have done with him that allows you to
do what you do so well.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Yeah, I think there's so much that I wish I
could ask him, knowing what I know now, the songs
that we've learned, or the.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
Stories I've heard, what his life was like early on.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
I was only eighteen or nineteen when he passed, and
so I've grown so much and learned so much.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
From the people here that I wish I could share
as well.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
I think he would love to have come seen me
here and met everyone that I care so much about.
But I do feel like I honor his legacy, and
I've even met people here that actually knew him, so
that was really special.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Was that a moment where You're like, this is where
I'm meant to be, this is.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
What I'm meant to be doing When that happened, Yeah,
I think it was probably my second year here, and
my grandpa was from West Tennessee, like two hours from here,
in the middle of nowhere, so it doesn't make any sense,
but I realized that they played football together. Found an
old yearbook and the whole first page was from this residence,
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so they ended up being best friends. It was such
a small world, but yeah, I was able to learn
some stories that I hadn't heard about my grandpa from
someone that had late stage Alzheimer's and happened to remember.
Speaker 5 (04:32):
Who he was.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Was that because you also work very closely. You've brought
a program to Apesgarden that helps Alzheimer's within the community
outside of this building, you see firsthand what that looks like.
And then you have this moment with someone where one
of their memories that they're having in the late stage
is of your grandfather. What did that feel like?
Speaker 1 (04:58):
I don't know. In a way, it felt very surreal
in full circle. And my grandpa confided in me one time,
we were just going to lunch. It was quiet drive.
He always took back roads that he admitted that his
biggest fear was getting Alzheimer's, and he passed pretty suddenly.
But I think I'm grateful that I never had to
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see him suffer. I'm grateful that he didn't have to
go through that. But in some ways, I think that
it's almost like paying it forward. I guess I know
that he would have been well taken care of. Yeah,
I guess that makes sense.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
It does. And you speak of these kind of emotional
moments when you are in this job and you're here
every day, you're in it and you're seeing all these residents.
What are the really cool moments that you're so happy
to be part of, and what are the really hard
ones that maybe people don't think about.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Yeah, I would say some of the hardest moments or
the hardest.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
Parts of this job, I would say would.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Be grief and then work life balance. Sometimes. I mean
there's seasons of griefs that are so much fun. There's
seasons where that loss is coming, and there's moments where
it's so unexpected and it kind of catches the whole
community off guard. So just finding different ways to cope,
noticing the warning signs in myself when you can feel
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that burnout coming, or yeah, I'm always looking for different
ways to work on that in myself. And then work
life balance. I'm sure everyone feels that, but I think
because this job is so people oriented, it can really
take a toll. I spend more time with the people
here than my own family or my own friends, and
so how do you not take that home right? And
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it affects you. But I think being so relational is
also the best part of the job. And I might
it might take a toll on me, but I know
that I'm good at it and they would sense it.
If I pulled back. If this was just a paycheck,
I don't think I would be making nearly as much
of a difference.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Does it feel good when you are ending a day
and you're just like, I feel like that really mattered?
Is that a lot of days for you in doing
this job?
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Yes, I would say that's definitely the best part that
I can I can get up every day and leave
every day, and I don't have to wonder if I've
made a difference or whether or not they're going to
make a difference in my life.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
And you create these really close relationships with so many
of them. I feel like you get to have more
relationships in your life than most people because of this job.
Does that ever stick out to you as you're thinking
about this job and the career that you've chosen.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Yes, the relationship part is the best part. And what's
funny is when they know just as much about my life,
Like I can catch myself and like, I don't know
why I.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
Told you that they know all your secret how is
your date?
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Or how is this? Or how are your parents? Or
they keep up with my nieces and nephews. They love
to look at pictures, and it's a good reminder that
no matter what they're going through or why they're here,
that they have just as much to offer as they
ever have.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Do you use them as people to share advice because
they have so much knowledge, so much wisdom and things
that they've been through. So when you're going through things,
do you ever be like, hey, I need some thoughts
on this. Does that also help them stay incorporated really
into the life outside of these walls and what's happening here?
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Yeah, I think so. And I primarily work with people
with like younger onset or early stage Alzheimer's, and so
that's a big thing that I try to educate people
on is they still have just as much purpose and
just as much to offer. I think the best parts
are when you're running around trying to get everything done
on your to do list and they stop me and say, hey,
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are you okay? Like what's going on? There's still that
emotional human connection where they can tell if I'm having
a bad day, and there's grace. And it's not just
a business, it's a family. My coworkers are the same way,
and so it's kind of a again, how would you
not get attached when you're spending every day with these people.
It's the best part of the job.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
And when you're looking at this job and you were
working here and you decided to create this program, which
is so awesome of what you do. Touched on the
program a little bit before I ask you this question,
what is the program that you started and why was
that such an important thing to start.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
So I'm the community programs manager here and we have
different day programs for different levels of people with dementia,
but I run.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
The social support groups the early stage.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Younger onset.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
It's a couple days a week.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
My job is to keep them as independent for as
long as possible. The things that people face in the
early stages, you know, maybe giving up your keys the
earliest signs. What did you notice maybe getting official diagnosis,
or having to sell your house. Some people don't have
any family left, so being that community that saves space.
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But I think helping people process as much as they
can early on and plan ahead makes the rest of
the journey a little easier.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
And did you see this need for this as you
were working in Apsgarden? Why did you feel it was
so important for this type of program to exist.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
I actually I had a mentor that used to work here.
We met here and she left to go back to school,
but she was here and kind of got it off
the ground. It started as a grant based program, and
they were like, it seems like we can't find anything
else for people with early stage Alzheimer's and dementia. Let's
see if the need is out there. Let's just try
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and get it off the ground. And it went for
a year grant based, and everyone wanted to stay on.
It was full and that was probably back in twenty
eighteen and it's still going strong. It survived. I did
it all online during COVID. We went around and taught
everyone how to use their computers, and we started a
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support group for the families who were now full time
caregivers at home during a pandemic. It's definitely something that
I'm very, very proud to be a part of.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
I feel like you're the one person that would have
this knowledge to answer this in the space of dementia Alzheimer's.
What's something misunderstood that we maybe quite not see, Maybe
family members don't quite understand or know when this is
starting to happen. What is that that you're a witness
scene and be like dang, I wish I could communicate
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this to people to make whether the process easier or
understanding what's happening to their loved one better. Across the board,
this is open end in whichever direction.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
You want to go.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
But I feel like you're someone who has seen just
about everything and you can speak to stuff that we
might not understand.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
I would say, especially in early stages, just communicating with
them directly. I think there's a lot of like hush
hush behind the scenes. You start to make plans without
including them, and I know that's not going to apply
to people in later stages. I know that usually, but
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as much as they can be a part of I
think it's important. And then a lot of things that
I hear is just let me try. You don't have
to do everything for me. If I can do it,
let me do it. And if you know that I can't,
let me try, or you don't pointing out every time
I repeat myself. And a lot of that is just education,
and so I'll educate my group members too. It's like,
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why don't you say if you can stop me if
I've told you this, or let me know if I've
said this already whicheff be prepared for the answer. Just
little things that can be really triggering for people, but
I think just helping them be as independent as possible.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
What are some signs of Alzheimer's or dementia that maybe
we don't know about because the memory loss is the
one that people most recognize, is there other things that
people should be looking out for.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
It's so different for everyone. I think that's one thing
that's challenging too. I could put one hundred people with
the same exact diagnosis, and it's going to be different
for everyone, which is another thing that's hard to grasp.
But for some people it might be speech. For some
people it's word recall, or maybe their thoughts are totally fine,
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but you'll notice that putting it to paper what they're
thinking is hard, or just certain decisions they make. I
would say the most recent person I talked to said
that he probably noticed signs in his forties but didn't
notice it in himself. I think that's hard to come
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to terms with. But it was just little things like
maybe getting lost and not wanting to admit it.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
There's a lot that people can.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Hide, but not with malicious intent, just.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
To be protective or they're scared.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
See, And this is why I wanted you to share that,
because I think that's really important for family members to
understand and just be paying attention a little bit. What's
something you've learned from all your experience and doing this
job and the work that you do and spending time
with as many of the senior living community. As you have,
What's something you've learned from them?
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Honestly, probably to never stop learning that they That's probably
something that we preach here that you can teach an
old dog new tricks, and we love doing new things here.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
But they have so many stories and so.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Many experiences and so much to offer. And I love words,
and I'm constantly running down quotes and words of wisdom
that kind of sticks with me. It really resonates with me,
and I definitely think that's one thing I've learned. I
get yelled at if I don't have plans on a weekend.
Every single day. I have a woman that asks me,
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why are you tired? Did you stay out all night?
And I'll say no, and she's like, well why not?
You should be you know, So I get in trouble
if I'm not out drinking or hang out with friends.
They're just great influences in my life and you can't
really put a price on it. And if I could
share something, I would really encourage our generation to get
involved in pick a community or pick an older adult,
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a neighbor or something, and just form a connection, because
I think isolation is really important. To pay attention to
and none of us are meant to be alone.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Community is very important. Yeah, well, Mallory, we're about to
wrap up. Is there any last things that we didn't
get to, something you might want to share that is
so important or on your heart.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
I do feel like you have to be called to
this field.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
So for those that are impaths and just sweet and
kind and called to this field, just being mindful of again,
of the signs of burnout. I'm always grateful to be here,
but we do have to take care of ourselves and
whether it's a hobby or trips or however you choose
to take care of yourself. Just encouraging people that I
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feel like we lose a lot of people that were
born to do this because it gets so overwhelming so fast,
and so just being protective of your heart and your
mind and loving people and figuring out how to take
care of yourself in the process.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Thank you so much, Mallori for being here and hanging
out and sharing on your story.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
You're welcome, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Valerie Snyder joins me right now. She has somebody that
I've worked with at Apes Garden for several years now.
She was my first coordinator as Remy and I joined
on Valerie. Thanks for being here, Thanks for having me.
Are you scared, nervous all the things? Absolutely, it's going
to be great.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
You're a wonderful human and I've known that from the
day that I met you and all the work that
we've done together, and I'm really excited for you to
share some of your stories. So tell us why you
got into this line of work in your role here
at Apes Garden.
Speaker 6 (16:58):
I would say as a young girl, I was just
comfortable with older adults or seniors, and my sister and
I would go and write cards and pass them out
when we would go see my great aunt at a
nursing home. I was just always comfortable with gray hair
and aging individuals. And my grandmother, my Grandma Smith, would
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actually take me along to what was called ruth Helm's
prayer group as a child, and it was just this
big group circle where all these ladies would sit around
and pass around cards and everyone would write a card
to someone and it could be someone that was a
shut in it's not getting out of the house, or
someone that had a surgery or wasn't feeling well. And
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so I learned from a very young age just the
love of card writing from my grandmother, and that was
one thing that I think nowadays has gone away very
lost art. Yes, so I just remember being a part
of that group, and I was as a kid, and
then everyone else was so much older and being okay
with it or comfortable. And fast forward going into my
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adult years. I studied songwriting for a couple of years overseas,
and I studied the Bible for a year in Florida,
and I really wasn't sure what I wanted to do
and what was next for me. I ended up moving
to Georgia, and I eventually had a few jobs that
I wasn't particularly interested in, banking and some like administrative
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type of things. And the last job that I had,
I knew that I was not doing what I should
be doing, and I was trying to figure out how
I could get to the point where I was working
with seniors because I felt like that was where my
life was kind of going. So still working a job
I wasn't necessarily loving. In Atlanta, I started, I guess
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you kind of say booking or started contacting senior communities
in the Atlanta area and I would just go and
sing and play for thirty minutes or an hour, and
it was there that I really fell in love with
individuals with dementia and Alzheimer's. I got to see a
little closer up what kind of challenges they had and
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just who they were, and so I really fell in
love with that population. Fast forward a few more years
in twenty eighteen, my husband and I moved for him
to pursue music, and I really wasn't sure what I
was going to do for a job. I was at
that time working with a small business that did assisted
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living placements, so basically helping families find communities like Ape's
Garden for their loved ones. So I did that for
a year. I ended up working at another senior community,
but I really I had heard about Ape's Garden and
really wanted to be here in a part of what
they were doing, and so I started in twenty nineteen.
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At the end of twenty nineteen as a life engagement
coordinator and was a part of the team that does
all the engagement groups, and I really learned a lot.
My background wouldn't have said you're going to be in
front of people talking or teaching. I would have never
seen myself doing that. I was pretty introverted, and like
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I was a banker for a long time and I
just kind of was comfortable in other fields, but I
wouldn't say being in front of people was ever a
comfortable thing.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
Well, and I can speak to this. When I come
in here, I always see Valerie and she's in front
of a group of older individuals and they're whether they're
learning about Hawaii, or they're talking about music with Dolly Parton,
or they're having a wine and cheese party. I've witnessed
you and so many in front of so many larger
groups than here. It really is a drastic change for.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
You, for sure.
Speaker 6 (20:58):
Yeah, And so I can say that this job's really
brought me out of myself, I would say. And so
I was life Engagement coordinator and then volunteer coordinator for
a couple of years, and that's where when you started
serving with Remy through pet therapy, that's where we connected
and met and I loved that role and a couple
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years later was able to take on the life Engagement
manager role. So I oversee our life engagement team here
at Apes Garden, and we have so many activities and
engagement groups happening throughout the day. We do outings and
all kinds of fun things. We had a crawfish boil
that a family sponsored last week, a resident led sale
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where we collected proceeds for a charity, and it's just
really a lot of things that I'm glad that I'm
a part of here.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
Why is it so important with the role that you have,
which is so much about their life engagement and making
sure that they're enjoying their time here. Why do you
feel like this role is so important? Because I see
firsthand how important it is, But why do you feel
like this is something that really makes a difference for
them being somewhere that provides the opportunity.
Speaker 6 (22:13):
Allowing them to feel purpose in their life, and whether
they've lost a spouse or are trying to figure out
what's next that abesgarden a lot of times is that
place for them to feel community and be engaged with.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Something I also know that you told me about was
that you wrote a song. Speaking of being a songwriter,
You wrote a song with one of the residents, and
there was this whole thing and I need to hear
that story because I know it, but I want everybody
else to hear it.
Speaker 6 (22:42):
We through leading age, which is an organization that really
advocates for aging adults. They had asked us last year
if we would partner with a local songwriter here in
Nashville and write a song, and so I thought, well,
I haven't written a song in a long time, but
I know a great group of people that could help
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me do this. And along with the songwriter and also
individuals from our Memory support our club program was also
a part of it. We wrote a song called I
Am Who I Am. And I really can't take any
credit for writing the song. I was just there and
maybe I'd have an idea or too.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Isn't that so cool when you think about that and
the fact that they were part of this song and
just shared their stories through music, which is so impactful
for them. What does that feel like when you get
to be a part of such a big part of
their life now, because I feel like that's a big
memory for them now.
Speaker 6 (23:40):
Yeah, just the process of writing the song the first
time with the songwriter, and then Kashana is her name.
Kashana came back the second time and she had recorded
the song, but we put background vocals to it and
sang along. It was really neat how just in the
course of the months of working on the song. The
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residents and club members really remember the song. Anytime I
would play it, they would sing along at least the
chorus I Am who I am, You.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Are who you are.
Speaker 6 (24:11):
They recalled the song, which was is amazing. If you
know anyone that's dealing with dementia or Alzheimer's, and we'd
see it a lot at Apesgarten, there might be like
five minutes where you tell them something and within just
within five minutes or a short amount of time, they
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can't recall what just happened. And so for them to
recall the song and sing it whenever we would play
it was really neat. It was really cool, and I
think there was pride. I think that they took pride
in being a part of that project. We also got
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to sing the song at the Leading Age conference in
October where they performed it in front of of a
few thousand people were there, and it was just a
really neat project to be a part of.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
It's so cool, and I love when you share that
story because I think it's awesome that you're not just.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Doing the bare minimum right.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
You could just throw on a movie and say life
engagement and We're happy you're doing these things that are impactful.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Every single day.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
Every time I come in here, they're doing something new,
something different, and they just feel like they're still getting
to experience their life. And I think that's what's so
wonderful about you. And one of your highest qualities, as
I've witnessed, is patience. I have walked into many conversations
roe I mean and I have, and it's like an
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entirely different language. And I think about you every single
day and you're around this all the time. Why is
patience so important in this and why is it so
helpful for them as they're navigating Because I've seen it
and I can speak to you doing it, but you're
the one firsthand who witnesses and experiences this every day.
Speaker 6 (26:04):
Just what I have learned about dementia and this disease
and as it progresses, there are certain behaviors that happen,
or there's funny things do happen, or they say funny things,
and it's just really meeting them where they are and
just understanding that they maybe having behaviors that they don't
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mean to have.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
What are some of your favorite moments or memories from
your job and getting to witness beyond the song, because
the song is beautiful in itself. But you've been here
a long time and doing a lot of different roles,
so I'm sure you have favorite moments.
Speaker 6 (26:39):
I think anything with music is a way to kind
of trigger their emotions, and I think that I have
seen an array of motions from them. Sometimes we'll just
be listening to something and then the next song we
put on it ends up turning into a dance party
and they want to get up and dance, and You're like, okay,
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that's you know, just letting them in some ways leading
because say, yeah, I'm leading this group right now, or
I'm I'm in charge.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Of this group.
Speaker 6 (27:09):
So I say, but they really have a lot of
say and have a lot of pull as far as
where the group goes. What are we going to talk about?
What's important to them? And so I think some of
the best moments have been around music and conversations with that.
And I think there was one time we were talking about,
what's the song rock around the clock. We've heard the
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song forever, right Bill Haley and the comments and we've
heard it, and I just was just I don't know,
I wasn't trying to be silly. I was just like,
has anyone over here ever rocked around the clock? That
sounds crazy, you know, and just like talked about it
and somebody said, yeah, I've done that, and I was like,
I was just dying. Some music brings out so many emotions.
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And also when you play some of the older songs
that maybe that they knew from their childhood or they
were a teenager or a young twenty something, these songs
bring back memories to them.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
You've been in this for a really long time and
you have done these different roles and stuff. So advice
for maybe somebody who's considering getting into this field or
thinking about doing the work that you do, what would
you say? Or motivation or inspiration on any of those levels.
Speaker 6 (28:23):
Yeah, I would second Mallory when she said that it
is really a calling if you want to get into
this field, just like I would say, teaching small children
is probably not for everyone, and working with seniors may
not be for everyone either, But being in this world
so much, forty hours of my week, I can't imagine
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why it wouldn't be fun for everyone because we have
so much fun here. But I would say, if you're
not sure what you would like to do with your life.
Maybe volunteer at a community like Apes Garden and spend
some time with different populations, whether it's kids or older adults,
and see if it's something that you might be interested in.
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I think that we need more people to work with seniors.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
I love that. I think that's really great advice. And
it's how I got involved in the community. Was just
trying it out and seeing Remy was the start, and
then we waded into the waters and we loved it
and it was so rewarding. And the impact that even
just a couple hours a month that we do is
astronomical just sitting in those rooms with them. So the
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work that you guys do every day is really important. Valerie,
thank you for being here. Thank you for all you do.
I'm happy you're here.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Well.
Speaker 6 (29:40):
Thanks for asking Ape's Garden to be a part of
this podcast.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Always, you guys have a special place in my heart.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
I'm joined by Chris right now.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
I am so excited you're here, and I hope you're
not nervous anymore.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
How are you feeling feeling great?
Speaker 5 (30:07):
Thanks for having me, Thanks.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
For being on to talk now, Chris, share your title
and your overview of being at Apes Garden.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Yeah, my role is Chief Operating Officer for Apes Garden Community.
Speaker 5 (30:19):
I've been here for ten years. I started off as.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
A continuous quality improvement coordinator, so assessing how the quality
of life is for the residents that live here, and
then over time I moved into different roles at the HR,
some training, and then was lucky enough to get put
in a position like this to help everybody out.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
So you've really seen all different stages of what Apes
Garden does works with how it all operates. Yeah, what's
been the craziest part of working in this field? You
see all these wild things? What has that experience been like?
Speaker 2 (30:53):
I think what's pretty impressive about it is in really
difficult moments, how everybody comes together. And throughout my time here,
stuff that we could have planned for and couldn't have
planned for came up. And an example, I was on
my honeymoon and the temperature dropped here and sprinklers popped
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around the community and there was flooding of.
Speaker 5 (31:16):
Water and water more and more.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
And when I got to the hotel, I pulled up
the cameras and I saw so many people here helping out,
helping residents get to safe places, cleaning up the water,
setting up dinner, and inconvenient places. But in times like
that where people would get overwhelmed, you can see more
and more people coming together to really being able to
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help the situation.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Oh yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Bet that was super rewarding, especially because you're away and
you know you can't do anything and you're just hoping
it all works out.
Speaker 5 (31:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
And I think from my position that also makes me
feel good about what we're doing here where I can
go away on my honeymoon and know that the team
here is able to manage whatever situation comes up, whether
it was planned or not.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
Yes, and being around so much of that and seeing
and witnessing so much. What are things that you've learned.
Maybe it's about yourself, maybe it's about the senior community.
What's been the biggest impact for you that you wish
you could learn all over again.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
I think the great thing that I take away from
working here or working with older adults is perspective on life.
Speaker 5 (32:25):
Met so many people that.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Are younger older adults, but also older older adults, and
they're over the age of one hundred, and they have
all these great perspectives about how things went in their life,
how they felt about it, things that they'd change or
things that they wouldn't change. And I think I started
working with older adults when I was twenty, and so
I got to learn from people who are over one
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hundred at that age about what their life experience was like.
And I've been able to take pieces of that and
add it into my life and be able to prepare
for what might come up and really get to learn
from the people I work with.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
Oh, that's so awesome. They have so much wisdom to
share and I found that just in my time here.
And you look at an experience like this, and you
said you started doing this at twenty, Why did you
get into this? What was the reason purpose behind it?
Speaker 2 (33:17):
At one point, I thought they wanted to be a nurse,
and I was in college and things were not going
my way, and so I dropped out and I thought
the next step would be to get certified as a
nurse's assistant, And so I went through that program and
I started working in the nursing home and I went
from teaching swimming lessons was like three to five year
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olds still working with people that were much older, and
it was a completely different phase of their life, and
at first that terrified me, and the things that people
were going through was pretty difficult. But then over time
again the perspective and the information that they can share
and their history really changed my feeling about work with
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older people, and I really ended up enjoying it and to.
Speaker 5 (34:04):
The point where I'm still doing it and loving it.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
Yeah, and what have.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
You learned about the older community that maybe you feel
like gets misunderstood or we just don't quite have the
full perspective on, because I feel like there's so much
we were talking before this of not a lot of
people talk about senior living communities and what happens when
they get in. It's just kind of like they go
and buy. Yeah, what's some things that you've learned about
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them that you wish maybe people understood better.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
I think the power of their voice, their knowledge, and
their wisdom. I think to your point, and what I
know this a lot, even when I'm outside of here,
is that people move in here and then their world
continues to isolate and their voices become harder and harder
to get out. And maybe the families don't visit as much,
or they don't see their grandkids or kids as much.
(34:52):
And what I've learned from being here and during my
time here is that the more that you can talk
and communicate and spend time and find ways for people
to express themselves, there's a whole bunch that they want
to share and they just really need the outlet to
do it like something like this. It's a pretty amazing thing.
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And the longer I'm here, there's just more and more stories.
Mallory and I before coming in, we're just going through
one person after another about all the things that we've
learned from them or to pump ourselves up for the podcast.
So we are quoting residents that have lived here, and
I think all that kind of feeds into it. And yeah,
they have a lot to share, and that's really the
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biggest takeaway.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
Well, now I need to know some of the quotes.
Speaker 5 (35:37):
You're doing a great job, and you're doing it right now.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
That's real classic That we have a Lordy Lordy Roger's
over forty.
Speaker 5 (35:46):
That one gets stuck in my head quite a bit.
Things like that, but.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
Those are kind of the regular ones that we use.
But yeah, that everybody has their own story and there's
something that you can talk about with every person that's here.
Or every person that's lived here that can make you
a smile or give you a good laugh.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
What do you feel like is your hardest moment that
you've had to face while doing this job.
Speaker 5 (36:14):
I don't know about the hardest moment. I think.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Overall, where it gets challenging is that there are a
lot of people here that we want to.
Speaker 5 (36:27):
Help meet their needs.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
Everybody has an idea of what they want when they
move in here, and there's the families that we want
to help please, there's the people that live here, they
are the people that work here, and then everybody else
that visits and comes in and out. And I think
on a day to day basis, I think the challenge
is helping to make that happen. I think the positive
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part and the reason why I like being here and
being in a role like this is that we're surrounded
by people that are trying to make those things happen,
and we have a board and CEO that really help
support that and give us the opportunity to help everybody's
needs as much as we can.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
And that's super tough.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
You talk about families, and you probably witness a lot
of emotions when people bring their loved ones here. How
do you navigate something like that because it's such a
big change that's happening, not just for the person who's
coming in here, but also the families. Yeah, what's that
adjustment period? Like, what's that experience?
Speaker 2 (37:26):
It can take some time and the biggest thing is
getting an understanding of what everybody's goals are. And another
tougher area to navigate is nobody really chooses to move
into a community. People want to live at home as
much as possible. But when they do move in here,
what does a great day look like for them? For
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the family, what does a great day look like for them?
And what can we do to help make that happen?
And really understanding everybody's life story, their history before coming
in here, and we get to know people at this
one point of their life, but the relationships that spouses,
their kids, and the people that move in here have
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can be all over the place, and we really just
need to better understand everything that's going on so while
they're here, we can help them have the best day possible.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
And I think that's so helpful for so many people
to understand, because when it's all happening, life's just happening,
right and you're just moving someone in. You're like, Okay,
we're good, it's happening, and you're not really thinking about
that aspect of what does this day to day look like?
How can we be helpful in making sure that their
lives are enriched by this change? And I think just
hearing from you that you've seen a lot of that
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happen will be helpful for people. I want to ask
you too, because you have witnessed so much, what's like
the craziest moment you've had at AB's garden.
Speaker 5 (38:47):
I do think the sprinkler situation was pretty crazy.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
There's so many pipes that burst and the mount of
water that came in and yeah, everybody, Yeah, pulling up
the cameras and seeing all of that going on is
pretty wild.
Speaker 5 (39:01):
I think.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
This on a positive side. A good thing that happened
is we had the Nashville Opera come here and they
do the opera on wheels, and the first time they came,
they brought in the whole trailer and they opened up
a stage in our front parking lot, and we had
residents that were sitting on their patios to watch. We
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set up a whole area for people to go outside.
Speaker 5 (39:27):
And serve drinks and an impressive level.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
You don't think something like that could happen, but here
he had professional performers singing opera, the hits of opera,
and then he had all these people out there to
enjoy it. And things like that are surprising because you
don't necessarily wake up thinking how am I or how
are we going to get opera here? But what we
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are lucky enough to be in a place to have
that happen.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
That's so cool. I know that probably meant so much
to so many of them because do you even hear
their stories on doing this podcast, And so many of
them were influenced by music in so many ways, and
that's a huge part of their life. So I can
only imagine what that was like. And I also want
to know too, from your side, why do you feel
it's so important to try and get more people into
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this line of work? Because you are an operating officer
now you ever see employees, You see what this work
looks like and why it's important. What would you tell
people who are maybe looking potentially to get into something
like this and why it might be necessary.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
Yeah, my personal perspective is before I thought they wanted
to be a nurse. I thought they wanted to be
a teacher. And I had always worked with kids, and
nothing ever seemed to really click. And I liked doing it,
but it wasn't what was driving me. And then when
I started working with older adults, it.
Speaker 5 (40:51):
Really change my day.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
And what I got to do is have a regular
relationship with all the people that I met here. And
I know most people when they go to school and
they go to become a doctor, they probably want to
be a pediatrician. If they do want to do therapy,
they want to work with kids, or social worker, or
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you go to be a cooker chef, you want to
work in these really great restaurants. We have all of
that stuff here and we try and provide a setting
where you can be as creative as you want in
each of those different fields and when you work with
older adults. The thing that appeals to me the most,
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that I wish more people would know about getting in
this industry is you can be very real with everybody
and that there's not really much bs. They want to
know exactly what you're thinking. They want to have a
real conversation, they want to be able to joke around
and balance all of those things. But I don't have
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to try and be a mentor for anybody.
Speaker 5 (42:00):
I don't have to be a role model.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
All I have to do is be a person that
is listening to them and helping them meet their needs,
and it makes it for me, I think a lot
easier and appealing than all these other different areas that
you can get into.
Speaker 3 (42:14):
I love that. I feel like that's really important, especially
as you know, people are graduating and trying to figure
out what their lives look like, and maybe this is
something that we're touching on that they might not have
thought of. I will always like to end on its motivation, advice,
or maybe something we didn't talk about that you is
really heavy on your heart and you want to make
sure to share. So the floor is kind of yours
to share anything at this last moment, maybe you didn't
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get too.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
Yeah, I would emphasize more looking into working with older adults.
I think there's stat after stat that shows are people
over sixty five, The number of those people continues to
grow and grow, the number of people that are under
eighteen continues to become less and less, and there's the
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giant gap of people that need our help as much
as anybody else, and that there are all these really
great positives and working with older adults and you get
to really be able to have a pretty great day.
Speaker 5 (43:17):
Where in my role.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
I do the budgeting, I have meetings and those things
like that, but we get to go to a sounds
game and we get to go for walks in the
courtyard and they're just My day has this whole range
of things that what you would think of in this
role of just sitting at desk crunching numbers or working
on different strategies. Those are fun and that's why I
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like being in this role. But I get to sprinkle
in all these great one on one situations and group engagements,
to mocktails last week with the residents.
Speaker 3 (43:51):
And the they have giant parties here. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (43:56):
Crazy.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
You get to mix in everything, and that's really what's
about working with older adults and especially in senior living.
Speaker 3 (44:04):
Oh well, Chris, thank you so much for sharing and
talking about your story. Is great having you.
Speaker 5 (44:08):
Here, Thanks for having me appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (44:10):
And next week and maybe the week following, we'll see
how long this goes for. But it's a resident time.
I'm going to be doing it in a few parts
because honestly, there's just too much gold to put in
one episode. The residents you'll meet from Apes Garden Go
Buy Brenda, Carol, Dave, Larry, Sandra, Shirley and Ward, and
they're going to share their life stories, any regrets they've
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had in life, the things they've accomplished, advice and of
course there's a whole lot of laughs along the way.
And all of these humans are over eighty years old,
so they have expertise, knowledge and wisdom that I cannot
wait to share with you all. So do not miss it,
make sure you subscribe, and as always, thank you for
being here. I love you.
Speaker 2 (44:50):
Bye.
Personal Life.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
With Dames Duelsman.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
It's the start of a new series and I'm very
ready for you guys to hear these episodes. Remy and
I have been volunteering as a pet therapy team at
Apes Garden for several years now. It's a senior living
community and they have memory care support and we've been
part of this community for so long that it's become
really part of our routine of life. And this week
I get to bring on some of the incredible employees
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who make a senior living community like Abes Garden actually
work and function every hour of every day. So joining
this week is Mallory Grimes, the manager of Community Programs,
Chris Cowello, who is the chief operating officer, and Valerie Snyder,
the life Engagement manager, and those three are going to
share what their jobs mean and how they got into
(01:00):
to senior living community work and why it's necessary for
people to get involved. So let's do this. I'm joined
by Mallory who has been working at Abess Garden for
a long time, and we're showing a different side of
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the senior living community and I'm really excited for you
guys to hear this. Mallori how are you.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
I'm good, how are you good?
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Thank you for being here, of course, So tell everyone
how long you've been working in this field and kind
of how you got into it.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Your story. Yeah, So I've been working at Abes Garden
for eight years. It was really my.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
First job out of college.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
I've been here since I graduated. But I grew up
really close with my grandparents. I was lucky enough to
spend time with them on the weekends, get dinner during
the week They'd come to all my games, very supportive,
and I would even hang out with their friends as
well from church. They all watched me grow up really
comfortable with this population, but I didn't know if I
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could handle it emotionally, and my grandpa and I were
especially close, and he died while I was in college
pretty unexpectedly, But I ended up choosing social work. I
knew I wanted to help people, but wasn't sure if
I could handle it, and so I did my internships
with older adults and really enjoyed it, and I've been
here ever since.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
So you mentioned that you weren't sure if you were
going to be able to handle it emotionally. When did
that change? And you were like I have to do this.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
I think it was just worth it. I think I
just decided that it feels so natural. I knew that
this is what I wanted to do. In some ways,
I think it was a way to honor my grandpa,
but it just felt very natural. And I worked really
hard in school. I worked hard to make good grades,
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but I feel like I have a really high emotional intelligence,
and so it was really a gift to finally find
a field where I could use that in social skills
and just have fun.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
And you say that there was part of that with
your grandpa that inspired that. Do you feel like when
you're doing your job in your day to day life,
are you thinking of him and the things that would
help him or would have or things that you wish
you could have done with him that allows you to
do what you do so well.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Yeah, I think there's so much that I wish I
could ask him, knowing what I know now, the songs
that we've learned, or the.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
Stories I've heard, what his life was like early on.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
I was only eighteen or nineteen when he passed, and
so I've grown so much and learned so much.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
From the people here that I wish I could share
as well.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
I think he would love to have come seen me
here and met everyone that I care so much about.
But I do feel like I honor his legacy, and
I've even met people here that actually knew him, so
that was really special.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Was that a moment where You're like, this is where
I'm meant to be, this is.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
What I'm meant to be doing When that happened, Yeah,
I think it was probably my second year here, and
my grandpa was from West Tennessee, like two hours from here,
in the middle of nowhere, so it doesn't make any sense,
but I realized that they played football together. Found an
old yearbook and the whole first page was from this residence,
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so they ended up being best friends. It was such
a small world, but yeah, I was able to learn
some stories that I hadn't heard about my grandpa from
someone that had late stage Alzheimer's and happened to remember.
Speaker 5 (04:32):
Who he was.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Was that because you also work very closely. You've brought
a program to Apesgarden that helps Alzheimer's within the community
outside of this building, you see firsthand what that looks like.
And then you have this moment with someone where one
of their memories that they're having in the late stage
is of your grandfather. What did that feel like?
Speaker 1 (04:58):
I don't know. In a way, it felt very surreal
in full circle. And my grandpa confided in me one time,
we were just going to lunch. It was quiet drive.
He always took back roads that he admitted that his
biggest fear was getting Alzheimer's, and he passed pretty suddenly.
But I think I'm grateful that I never had to
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see him suffer. I'm grateful that he didn't have to
go through that. But in some ways, I think that
it's almost like paying it forward. I guess I know
that he would have been well taken care of. Yeah,
I guess that makes sense.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
It does. And you speak of these kind of emotional
moments when you are in this job and you're here
every day, you're in it and you're seeing all these residents.
What are the really cool moments that you're so happy
to be part of, and what are the really hard
ones that maybe people don't think about.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Yeah, I would say some of the hardest moments or
the hardest.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
Parts of this job, I would say would.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Be grief and then work life balance. Sometimes. I mean
there's seasons of griefs that are so much fun. There's
seasons where that loss is coming, and there's moments where
it's so unexpected and it kind of catches the whole
community off guard. So just finding different ways to cope,
noticing the warning signs in myself when you can feel
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that burnout coming, or yeah, I'm always looking for different
ways to work on that in myself. And then work
life balance. I'm sure everyone feels that, but I think
because this job is so people oriented, it can really
take a toll. I spend more time with the people
here than my own family or my own friends, and
so how do you not take that home right? And
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it affects you. But I think being so relational is
also the best part of the job. And I might
it might take a toll on me, but I know
that I'm good at it and they would sense it.
If I pulled back. If this was just a paycheck,
I don't think I would be making nearly as much
of a difference.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Does it feel good when you are ending a day
and you're just like, I feel like that really mattered?
Is that a lot of days for you in doing
this job?
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Yes, I would say that's definitely the best part that
I can I can get up every day and leave
every day, and I don't have to wonder if I've
made a difference or whether or not they're going to
make a difference in my life.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
And you create these really close relationships with so many
of them. I feel like you get to have more
relationships in your life than most people because of this job.
Does that ever stick out to you as you're thinking
about this job and the career that you've chosen.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Yes, the relationship part is the best part. And what's
funny is when they know just as much about my life,
Like I can catch myself and like, I don't know
why I.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
Told you that they know all your secret how is
your date?
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Or how is this? Or how are your parents? Or
they keep up with my nieces and nephews. They love
to look at pictures, and it's a good reminder that
no matter what they're going through or why they're here,
that they have just as much to offer as they
ever have.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Do you use them as people to share advice because
they have so much knowledge, so much wisdom and things
that they've been through. So when you're going through things,
do you ever be like, hey, I need some thoughts
on this. Does that also help them stay incorporated really
into the life outside of these walls and what's happening here?
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Yeah, I think so. And I primarily work with people
with like younger onset or early stage Alzheimer's, and so
that's a big thing that I try to educate people
on is they still have just as much purpose and
just as much to offer. I think the best parts
are when you're running around trying to get everything done
on your to do list and they stop me and say, hey,
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are you okay? Like what's going on? There's still that
emotional human connection where they can tell if I'm having
a bad day, and there's grace. And it's not just
a business, it's a family. My coworkers are the same way,
and so it's kind of a again, how would you
not get attached when you're spending every day with these people.
It's the best part of the job.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
And when you're looking at this job and you were
working here and you decided to create this program, which
is so awesome of what you do. Touched on the
program a little bit before I ask you this question,
what is the program that you started and why was
that such an important thing to start.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
So I'm the community programs manager here and we have
different day programs for different levels of people with dementia,
but I run.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
The social support groups the early stage.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Younger onset.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
It's a couple days a week.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
My job is to keep them as independent for as
long as possible. The things that people face in the
early stages, you know, maybe giving up your keys the
earliest signs. What did you notice maybe getting official diagnosis,
or having to sell your house. Some people don't have
any family left, so being that community that saves space.
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But I think helping people process as much as they
can early on and plan ahead makes the rest of
the journey a little easier.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
And did you see this need for this as you
were working in Apsgarden? Why did you feel it was
so important for this type of program to exist.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
I actually I had a mentor that used to work here.
We met here and she left to go back to school,
but she was here and kind of got it off
the ground. It started as a grant based program, and
they were like, it seems like we can't find anything
else for people with early stage Alzheimer's and dementia. Let's
see if the need is out there. Let's just try
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and get it off the ground. And it went for
a year grant based, and everyone wanted to stay on.
It was full and that was probably back in twenty
eighteen and it's still going strong. It survived. I did
it all online during COVID. We went around and taught
everyone how to use their computers, and we started a
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support group for the families who were now full time
caregivers at home during a pandemic. It's definitely something that
I'm very, very proud to be a part of.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
I feel like you're the one person that would have
this knowledge to answer this in the space of dementia Alzheimer's.
What's something misunderstood that we maybe quite not see, Maybe
family members don't quite understand or know when this is
starting to happen. What is that that you're a witness
scene and be like dang, I wish I could communicate
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this to people to make whether the process easier or
understanding what's happening to their loved one better. Across the board,
this is open end in whichever direction.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
You want to go.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
But I feel like you're someone who has seen just
about everything and you can speak to stuff that we
might not understand.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
I would say, especially in early stages, just communicating with
them directly. I think there's a lot of like hush
hush behind the scenes. You start to make plans without
including them, and I know that's not going to apply
to people in later stages. I know that usually, but
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as much as they can be a part of I
think it's important. And then a lot of things that
I hear is just let me try. You don't have
to do everything for me. If I can do it,
let me do it. And if you know that I can't,
let me try, or you don't pointing out every time
I repeat myself. And a lot of that is just education,
and so I'll educate my group members too. It's like,
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why don't you say if you can stop me if
I've told you this, or let me know if I've
said this already whicheff be prepared for the answer. Just
little things that can be really triggering for people, but
I think just helping them be as independent as possible.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
What are some signs of Alzheimer's or dementia that maybe
we don't know about because the memory loss is the
one that people most recognize, is there other things that
people should be looking out for.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
It's so different for everyone. I think that's one thing
that's challenging too. I could put one hundred people with
the same exact diagnosis, and it's going to be different
for everyone, which is another thing that's hard to grasp.
But for some people it might be speech. For some
people it's word recall, or maybe their thoughts are totally fine,
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but you'll notice that putting it to paper what they're
thinking is hard, or just certain decisions they make. I
would say the most recent person I talked to said
that he probably noticed signs in his forties but didn't
notice it in himself. I think that's hard to come
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to terms with. But it was just little things like
maybe getting lost and not wanting to admit it.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
There's a lot that people can.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Hide, but not with malicious intent, just.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
To be protective or they're scared.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
See, And this is why I wanted you to share that,
because I think that's really important for family members to
understand and just be paying attention a little bit. What's
something you've learned from all your experience and doing this
job and the work that you do and spending time
with as many of the senior living community. As you have,
What's something you've learned from them?
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Honestly, probably to never stop learning that they That's probably
something that we preach here that you can teach an
old dog new tricks, and we love doing new things here.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
But they have so many stories and so.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Many experiences and so much to offer. And I love words,
and I'm constantly running down quotes and words of wisdom
that kind of sticks with me. It really resonates with me,
and I definitely think that's one thing I've learned. I
get yelled at if I don't have plans on a weekend.
Every single day. I have a woman that asks me,
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why are you tired? Did you stay out all night?
And I'll say no, and she's like, well why not?
You should be you know, So I get in trouble
if I'm not out drinking or hang out with friends.
They're just great influences in my life and you can't
really put a price on it. And if I could
share something, I would really encourage our generation to get
involved in pick a community or pick an older adult,
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a neighbor or something, and just form a connection, because
I think isolation is really important. To pay attention to
and none of us are meant to be alone.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Community is very important. Yeah, well, Mallory, we're about to
wrap up. Is there any last things that we didn't
get to, something you might want to share that is
so important or on your heart.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
I do feel like you have to be called to
this field.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
So for those that are impaths and just sweet and
kind and called to this field, just being mindful of again,
of the signs of burnout. I'm always grateful to be here,
but we do have to take care of ourselves and
whether it's a hobby or trips or however you choose
to take care of yourself. Just encouraging people that I
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feel like we lose a lot of people that were
born to do this because it gets so overwhelming so fast,
and so just being protective of your heart and your
mind and loving people and figuring out how to take
care of yourself in the process.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Thank you so much, Mallori for being here and hanging
out and sharing on your story.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
You're welcome, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Valerie Snyder joins me right now. She has somebody that
I've worked with at Apes Garden for several years now.
She was my first coordinator as Remy and I joined
on Valerie. Thanks for being here, Thanks for having me.
Are you scared, nervous all the things? Absolutely, it's going
to be great.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
You're a wonderful human and I've known that from the
day that I met you and all the work that
we've done together, and I'm really excited for you to
share some of your stories. So tell us why you
got into this line of work in your role here
at Apes Garden.
Speaker 6 (16:58):
I would say as a young girl, I was just
comfortable with older adults or seniors, and my sister and
I would go and write cards and pass them out
when we would go see my great aunt at a
nursing home. I was just always comfortable with gray hair
and aging individuals. And my grandmother, my Grandma Smith, would
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actually take me along to what was called ruth Helm's
prayer group as a child, and it was just this
big group circle where all these ladies would sit around
and pass around cards and everyone would write a card
to someone and it could be someone that was a
shut in it's not getting out of the house, or
someone that had a surgery or wasn't feeling well. And
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so I learned from a very young age just the
love of card writing from my grandmother, and that was
one thing that I think nowadays has gone away very
lost art. Yes, so I just remember being a part
of that group, and I was as a kid, and
then everyone else was so much older and being okay
with it or comfortable. And fast forward going into my
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adult years. I studied songwriting for a couple of years overseas,
and I studied the Bible for a year in Florida,
and I really wasn't sure what I wanted to do
and what was next for me. I ended up moving
to Georgia, and I eventually had a few jobs that
I wasn't particularly interested in, banking and some like administrative
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type of things. And the last job that I had,
I knew that I was not doing what I should
be doing, and I was trying to figure out how
I could get to the point where I was working
with seniors because I felt like that was where my
life was kind of going. So still working a job
I wasn't necessarily loving. In Atlanta, I started, I guess
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you kind of say booking or started contacting senior communities
in the Atlanta area and I would just go and
sing and play for thirty minutes or an hour, and
it was there that I really fell in love with
individuals with dementia and Alzheimer's. I got to see a
little closer up what kind of challenges they had and
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just who they were, and so I really fell in
love with that population. Fast forward a few more years
in twenty eighteen, my husband and I moved for him
to pursue music, and I really wasn't sure what I
was going to do for a job. I was at
that time working with a small business that did assisted
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living placements, so basically helping families find communities like Ape's
Garden for their loved ones. So I did that for
a year. I ended up working at another senior community,
but I really I had heard about Ape's Garden and
really wanted to be here in a part of what
they were doing, and so I started in twenty nineteen.
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At the end of twenty nineteen as a life engagement
coordinator and was a part of the team that does
all the engagement groups, and I really learned a lot.
My background wouldn't have said you're going to be in
front of people talking or teaching. I would have never
seen myself doing that. I was pretty introverted, and like
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I was a banker for a long time and I
just kind of was comfortable in other fields, but I
wouldn't say being in front of people was ever a
comfortable thing.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
Well, and I can speak to this. When I come
in here, I always see Valerie and she's in front
of a group of older individuals and they're whether they're
learning about Hawaii, or they're talking about music with Dolly Parton,
or they're having a wine and cheese party. I've witnessed
you and so many in front of so many larger
groups than here. It really is a drastic change for.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
You, for sure.
Speaker 6 (20:58):
Yeah, And so I can say that this job's really
brought me out of myself, I would say. And so
I was life Engagement coordinator and then volunteer coordinator for
a couple of years, and that's where when you started
serving with Remy through pet therapy, that's where we connected
and met and I loved that role and a couple
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years later was able to take on the life Engagement
manager role. So I oversee our life engagement team here
at Apes Garden, and we have so many activities and
engagement groups happening throughout the day. We do outings and
all kinds of fun things. We had a crawfish boil
that a family sponsored last week, a resident led sale
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where we collected proceeds for a charity, and it's just
really a lot of things that I'm glad that I'm
a part of here.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
Why is it so important with the role that you have,
which is so much about their life engagement and making
sure that they're enjoying their time here. Why do you
feel like this role is so important? Because I see
firsthand how important it is, But why do you feel
like this is something that really makes a difference for
them being somewhere that provides the opportunity.
Speaker 6 (22:13):
Allowing them to feel purpose in their life, and whether
they've lost a spouse or are trying to figure out
what's next that abesgarden a lot of times is that
place for them to feel community and be engaged with.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Something I also know that you told me about was
that you wrote a song. Speaking of being a songwriter,
You wrote a song with one of the residents, and
there was this whole thing and I need to hear
that story because I know it, but I want everybody
else to hear it.
Speaker 6 (22:42):
We through leading age, which is an organization that really
advocates for aging adults. They had asked us last year
if we would partner with a local songwriter here in
Nashville and write a song, and so I thought, well,
I haven't written a song in a long time, but
I know a great group of people that could help
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me do this. And along with the songwriter and also
individuals from our Memory support our club program was also
a part of it. We wrote a song called I
Am Who I Am. And I really can't take any
credit for writing the song. I was just there and
maybe I'd have an idea or too.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Isn't that so cool when you think about that and
the fact that they were part of this song and
just shared their stories through music, which is so impactful
for them. What does that feel like when you get
to be a part of such a big part of
their life now, because I feel like that's a big
memory for them now.
Speaker 6 (23:40):
Yeah, just the process of writing the song the first
time with the songwriter, and then Kashana is her name.
Kashana came back the second time and she had recorded
the song, but we put background vocals to it and
sang along. It was really neat how just in the
course of the months of working on the song. The
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residents and club members really remember the song. Anytime I
would play it, they would sing along at least the
chorus I Am who I am, You.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Are who you are.
Speaker 6 (24:11):
They recalled the song, which was is amazing. If you
know anyone that's dealing with dementia or Alzheimer's, and we'd
see it a lot at Apesgarten, there might be like
five minutes where you tell them something and within just
within five minutes or a short amount of time, they
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can't recall what just happened. And so for them to
recall the song and sing it whenever we would play
it was really neat. It was really cool, and I
think there was pride. I think that they took pride
in being a part of that project. We also got
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to sing the song at the Leading Age conference in
October where they performed it in front of of a
few thousand people were there, and it was just a
really neat project to be a part of.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
It's so cool, and I love when you share that
story because I think it's awesome that you're not just.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Doing the bare minimum right.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
You could just throw on a movie and say life
engagement and We're happy you're doing these things that are impactful.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Every single day.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
Every time I come in here, they're doing something new,
something different, and they just feel like they're still getting
to experience their life. And I think that's what's so
wonderful about you. And one of your highest qualities, as
I've witnessed, is patience. I have walked into many conversations
roe I mean and I have, and it's like an
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entirely different language. And I think about you every single
day and you're around this all the time. Why is
patience so important in this and why is it so
helpful for them as they're navigating Because I've seen it
and I can speak to you doing it, but you're
the one firsthand who witnesses and experiences this every day.
Speaker 6 (26:04):
Just what I have learned about dementia and this disease
and as it progresses, there are certain behaviors that happen,
or there's funny things do happen, or they say funny things,
and it's just really meeting them where they are and
just understanding that they maybe having behaviors that they don't
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mean to have.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
What are some of your favorite moments or memories from
your job and getting to witness beyond the song, because
the song is beautiful in itself. But you've been here
a long time and doing a lot of different roles,
so I'm sure you have favorite moments.
Speaker 6 (26:39):
I think anything with music is a way to kind
of trigger their emotions, and I think that I have
seen an array of motions from them. Sometimes we'll just
be listening to something and then the next song we
put on it ends up turning into a dance party
and they want to get up and dance, and You're like, okay,
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that's you know, just letting them in some ways leading
because say, yeah, I'm leading this group right now, or
I'm I'm in charge.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Of this group.
Speaker 6 (27:09):
So I say, but they really have a lot of
say and have a lot of pull as far as
where the group goes. What are we going to talk about?
What's important to them? And so I think some of
the best moments have been around music and conversations with that.
And I think there was one time we were talking about,
what's the song rock around the clock. We've heard the
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song forever, right Bill Haley and the comments and we've
heard it, and I just was just I don't know,
I wasn't trying to be silly. I was just like,
has anyone over here ever rocked around the clock? That
sounds crazy, you know, and just like talked about it
and somebody said, yeah, I've done that, and I was like,
I was just dying. Some music brings out so many emotions.
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And also when you play some of the older songs
that maybe that they knew from their childhood or they
were a teenager or a young twenty something, these songs
bring back memories to them.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
You've been in this for a really long time and
you have done these different roles and stuff. So advice
for maybe somebody who's considering getting into this field or
thinking about doing the work that you do, what would
you say? Or motivation or inspiration on any of those levels.
Speaker 6 (28:23):
Yeah, I would second Mallory when she said that it
is really a calling if you want to get into
this field, just like I would say, teaching small children
is probably not for everyone, and working with seniors may
not be for everyone either, But being in this world
so much, forty hours of my week, I can't imagine
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why it wouldn't be fun for everyone because we have
so much fun here. But I would say, if you're
not sure what you would like to do with your life.
Maybe volunteer at a community like Apes Garden and spend
some time with different populations, whether it's kids or older adults,
and see if it's something that you might be interested in.
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I think that we need more people to work with seniors.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
I love that. I think that's really great advice. And
it's how I got involved in the community. Was just
trying it out and seeing Remy was the start, and
then we waded into the waters and we loved it
and it was so rewarding. And the impact that even
just a couple hours a month that we do is
astronomical just sitting in those rooms with them. So the
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work that you guys do every day is really important. Valerie,
thank you for being here. Thank you for all you do.
I'm happy you're here.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Well.
Speaker 6 (29:40):
Thanks for asking Ape's Garden to be a part of
this podcast.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Always, you guys have a special place in my heart.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
I'm joined by Chris right now.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
I am so excited you're here, and I hope you're
not nervous anymore.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
How are you feeling feeling great?
Speaker 5 (30:07):
Thanks for having me, Thanks.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
For being on to talk now, Chris, share your title
and your overview of being at Apes Garden.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Yeah, my role is Chief Operating Officer for Apes Garden Community.
Speaker 5 (30:19):
I've been here for ten years. I started off as.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
A continuous quality improvement coordinator, so assessing how the quality
of life is for the residents that live here, and
then over time I moved into different roles at the HR,
some training, and then was lucky enough to get put
in a position like this to help everybody out.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
So you've really seen all different stages of what Apes
Garden does works with how it all operates. Yeah, what's
been the craziest part of working in this field? You
see all these wild things? What has that experience been like?
Speaker 2 (30:53):
I think what's pretty impressive about it is in really
difficult moments, how everybody comes together. And throughout my time here,
stuff that we could have planned for and couldn't have
planned for came up. And an example, I was on
my honeymoon and the temperature dropped here and sprinklers popped
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around the community and there was flooding of.
Speaker 5 (31:16):
Water and water more and more.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
And when I got to the hotel, I pulled up
the cameras and I saw so many people here helping out,
helping residents get to safe places, cleaning up the water,
setting up dinner, and inconvenient places. But in times like
that where people would get overwhelmed, you can see more
and more people coming together to really being able to
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help the situation.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Oh yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Bet that was super rewarding, especially because you're away and
you know you can't do anything and you're just hoping
it all works out.
Speaker 5 (31:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
And I think from my position that also makes me
feel good about what we're doing here where I can
go away on my honeymoon and know that the team
here is able to manage whatever situation comes up, whether
it was planned or not.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
Yes, and being around so much of that and seeing
and witnessing so much. What are things that you've learned.
Maybe it's about yourself, maybe it's about the senior community.
What's been the biggest impact for you that you wish
you could learn all over again.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
I think the great thing that I take away from
working here or working with older adults is perspective on life.
Speaker 5 (32:25):
Met so many people that.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Are younger older adults, but also older older adults, and
they're over the age of one hundred, and they have
all these great perspectives about how things went in their life,
how they felt about it, things that they'd change or
things that they wouldn't change. And I think I started
working with older adults when I was twenty, and so
I got to learn from people who are over one
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hundred at that age about what their life experience was like.
And I've been able to take pieces of that and
add it into my life and be able to prepare
for what might come up and really get to learn
from the people I work with.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
Oh, that's so awesome. They have so much wisdom to
share and I found that just in my time here.
And you look at an experience like this, and you
said you started doing this at twenty, Why did you
get into this? What was the reason purpose behind it?
Speaker 2 (33:17):
At one point, I thought they wanted to be a nurse,
and I was in college and things were not going
my way, and so I dropped out and I thought
the next step would be to get certified as a
nurse's assistant, And so I went through that program and
I started working in the nursing home and I went
from teaching swimming lessons was like three to five year
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olds still working with people that were much older, and
it was a completely different phase of their life, and
at first that terrified me, and the things that people
were going through was pretty difficult. But then over time
again the perspective and the information that they can share
and their history really changed my feeling about work with
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older people, and I really ended up enjoying it and to.
Speaker 5 (34:04):
The point where I'm still doing it and loving it.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
Yeah, and what have.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
You learned about the older community that maybe you feel
like gets misunderstood or we just don't quite have the
full perspective on, because I feel like there's so much
we were talking before this of not a lot of
people talk about senior living communities and what happens when
they get in. It's just kind of like they go
and buy. Yeah, what's some things that you've learned about
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them that you wish maybe people understood better.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
I think the power of their voice, their knowledge, and
their wisdom. I think to your point, and what I
know this a lot, even when I'm outside of here,
is that people move in here and then their world
continues to isolate and their voices become harder and harder
to get out. And maybe the families don't visit as much,
or they don't see their grandkids or kids as much.
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And what I've learned from being here and during my
time here is that the more that you can talk
and communicate and spend time and find ways for people
to express themselves, there's a whole bunch that they want
to share and they just really need the outlet to
do it like something like this. It's a pretty amazing thing.
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And the longer I'm here, there's just more and more stories.
Mallory and I before coming in, we're just going through
one person after another about all the things that we've
learned from them or to pump ourselves up for the podcast.
So we are quoting residents that have lived here, and
I think all that kind of feeds into it. And yeah,
they have a lot to share, and that's really the
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biggest takeaway.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
Well, now I need to know some of the quotes.
Speaker 5 (35:37):
You're doing a great job, and you're doing it right now.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
That's real classic That we have a Lordy Lordy Roger's
over forty.
Speaker 5 (35:46):
That one gets stuck in my head quite a bit.
Things like that, but.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
Those are kind of the regular ones that we use.
But yeah, that everybody has their own story and there's
something that you can talk about with every person that's here.
Or every person that's lived here that can make you
a smile or give you a good laugh.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
What do you feel like is your hardest moment that
you've had to face while doing this job.
Speaker 5 (36:14):
I don't know about the hardest moment. I think.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Overall, where it gets challenging is that there are a
lot of people here that we want to.
Speaker 5 (36:27):
Help meet their needs.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
Everybody has an idea of what they want when they
move in here, and there's the families that we want
to help please, there's the people that live here, they
are the people that work here, and then everybody else
that visits and comes in and out. And I think
on a day to day basis, I think the challenge
is helping to make that happen. I think the positive
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part and the reason why I like being here and
being in a role like this is that we're surrounded
by people that are trying to make those things happen,
and we have a board and CEO that really help
support that and give us the opportunity to help everybody's
needs as much as we can.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
And that's super tough.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
You talk about families, and you probably witness a lot
of emotions when people bring their loved ones here. How
do you navigate something like that because it's such a
big change that's happening, not just for the person who's
coming in here, but also the families. Yeah, what's that
adjustment period? Like, what's that experience?
Speaker 2 (37:26):
It can take some time and the biggest thing is
getting an understanding of what everybody's goals are. And another
tougher area to navigate is nobody really chooses to move
into a community. People want to live at home as
much as possible. But when they do move in here,
what does a great day look like for them? For
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the family, what does a great day look like for them?
And what can we do to help make that happen?
And really understanding everybody's life story, their history before coming
in here, and we get to know people at this
one point of their life, but the relationships that spouses,
their kids, and the people that move in here have
(38:09):
can be all over the place, and we really just
need to better understand everything that's going on so while
they're here, we can help them have the best day possible.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
And I think that's so helpful for so many people
to understand, because when it's all happening, life's just happening,
right and you're just moving someone in. You're like, Okay,
we're good, it's happening, and you're not really thinking about
that aspect of what does this day to day look like?
How can we be helpful in making sure that their
lives are enriched by this change? And I think just
hearing from you that you've seen a lot of that
(38:37):
happen will be helpful for people. I want to ask
you too, because you have witnessed so much, what's like
the craziest moment you've had at AB's garden.
Speaker 5 (38:47):
I do think the sprinkler situation was pretty crazy.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
There's so many pipes that burst and the mount of
water that came in and yeah, everybody, Yeah, pulling up
the cameras and seeing all of that going on is
pretty wild.
Speaker 5 (39:01):
I think.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
This on a positive side. A good thing that happened
is we had the Nashville Opera come here and they
do the opera on wheels, and the first time they came,
they brought in the whole trailer and they opened up
a stage in our front parking lot, and we had
residents that were sitting on their patios to watch. We
(39:25):
set up a whole area for people to go outside.
Speaker 5 (39:27):
And serve drinks and an impressive level.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
You don't think something like that could happen, but here
he had professional performers singing opera, the hits of opera,
and then he had all these people out there to
enjoy it. And things like that are surprising because you
don't necessarily wake up thinking how am I or how
are we going to get opera here? But what we
(39:53):
are lucky enough to be in a place to have
that happen.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
That's so cool. I know that probably meant so much
to so many of them because do you even hear
their stories on doing this podcast, And so many of
them were influenced by music in so many ways, and
that's a huge part of their life. So I can
only imagine what that was like. And I also want
to know too, from your side, why do you feel
it's so important to try and get more people into
(40:17):
this line of work? Because you are an operating officer
now you ever see employees, You see what this work
looks like and why it's important. What would you tell
people who are maybe looking potentially to get into something
like this and why it might be necessary.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
Yeah, my personal perspective is before I thought they wanted
to be a nurse. I thought they wanted to be
a teacher. And I had always worked with kids, and
nothing ever seemed to really click. And I liked doing it,
but it wasn't what was driving me. And then when
I started working with older adults, it.
Speaker 5 (40:51):
Really change my day.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
And what I got to do is have a regular
relationship with all the people that I met here. And
I know most people when they go to school and
they go to become a doctor, they probably want to
be a pediatrician. If they do want to do therapy,
they want to work with kids, or social worker, or
(41:14):
you go to be a cooker chef, you want to
work in these really great restaurants. We have all of
that stuff here and we try and provide a setting
where you can be as creative as you want in
each of those different fields and when you work with
older adults. The thing that appeals to me the most,
(41:35):
that I wish more people would know about getting in
this industry is you can be very real with everybody
and that there's not really much bs. They want to
know exactly what you're thinking. They want to have a
real conversation, they want to be able to joke around
and balance all of those things. But I don't have
(41:58):
to try and be a mentor for anybody.
Speaker 5 (42:00):
I don't have to be a role model.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
All I have to do is be a person that
is listening to them and helping them meet their needs,
and it makes it for me, I think a lot
easier and appealing than all these other different areas that
you can get into.
Speaker 3 (42:14):
I love that. I feel like that's really important, especially
as you know, people are graduating and trying to figure
out what their lives look like, and maybe this is
something that we're touching on that they might not have
thought of. I will always like to end on its motivation, advice,
or maybe something we didn't talk about that you is
really heavy on your heart and you want to make
sure to share. So the floor is kind of yours
to share anything at this last moment, maybe you didn't
(42:37):
get too.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
Yeah, I would emphasize more looking into working with older adults.
I think there's stat after stat that shows are people
over sixty five, The number of those people continues to
grow and grow, the number of people that are under
eighteen continues to become less and less, and there's the
(43:00):
giant gap of people that need our help as much
as anybody else, and that there are all these really
great positives and working with older adults and you get
to really be able to have a pretty great day.
Speaker 5 (43:17):
Where in my role.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
I do the budgeting, I have meetings and those things
like that, but we get to go to a sounds
game and we get to go for walks in the
courtyard and they're just My day has this whole range
of things that what you would think of in this
role of just sitting at desk crunching numbers or working
on different strategies. Those are fun and that's why I
(43:41):
like being in this role. But I get to sprinkle
in all these great one on one situations and group engagements,
to mocktails last week with the residents.
Speaker 3 (43:51):
And the they have giant parties here. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (43:56):
Crazy.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
You get to mix in everything, and that's really what's
about working with older adults and especially in senior living.
Speaker 3 (44:04):
Oh well, Chris, thank you so much for sharing and
talking about your story. Is great having you.
Speaker 5 (44:08):
Here, Thanks for having me appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (44:10):
And next week and maybe the week following, we'll see
how long this goes for. But it's a resident time.
I'm going to be doing it in a few parts
because honestly, there's just too much gold to put in
one episode. The residents you'll meet from Apes Garden Go
Buy Brenda, Carol, Dave, Larry, Sandra, Shirley and Ward, and
they're going to share their life stories, any regrets they've
(44:30):
had in life, the things they've accomplished, advice and of
course there's a whole lot of laughs along the way.
And all of these humans are over eighty years old,
so they have expertise, knowledge and wisdom that I cannot
wait to share with you all. So do not miss it,
make sure you subscribe, and as always, thank you for
being here. I love you.
Speaker 2 (44:50):
Bye.
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