October 20, 2025 • 38 mins
Ring True Co. is proving that businesses can be a force for social good. In this episode, we explore how the founders, Shannon and Amanda, are changing the lives of human trafficking survivors one piece of jewelry at a time. Listeners will learn how survivors are not just receiving help, they are gaining real-world skills, leadership opportunities, and confidence. From running internships in the Ring True office to developing their own roles in safe housing programs, these survivors are building futures they never thought possible. This episode is a heartfelt reminder that every small act of support can make a profound difference.
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Speaker 1 (00:14):
Personally fuelsman.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Now you're in part two of the series that I
never saw coming. It's another sister business. These are women
I've been working with for several years now. They created
the company Ring True, and they did it to help
human trafficking survivors. I love their mission, I love everything
that they're all about. So it's time for you guys
to finally meet Shannon and Amanda. I'm excited to bring
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on two people who I have recently worked with in
the last few years. Their names are Shannon and Amanda,
and they created the company Ring True, which is incredible
beyond just the jewelry that they make, which I'm gonna
let them share that whole story.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
So guys, thanks for coming on. We're excited to be here.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Yeah, because we're nerds, we've been like not like we've
been looking forward to this all.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Day, so sure stop. I'm excited to have you guys
on and share your whole story. So let's get into
some background first. Why did you guys create Ring True?
What is the cause and motivation behind it? All of
that good stuff.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
So if for people who have never heard of our business,
we work with human trafficking survivors. My sister and I
will go to the Safe Home and will teach survivors
who've recently been rescued out of human trafficking how to
make jewelry and then we're able to offer them a
job through our business. So it's incredible. It's worked that
the ladies can do inside the Safe Home while they're
getting back on their feet. They have a lot of
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programming that they go through, like trauma therapy, and they
have a ton of different therapies deekwind therapy where they're
with horses and just like cool stuff that they're taking
back on their feet. But something that we realized was
they'll come to the Safe Home with some of them
nothing but the shirt on their back. And they've been
forced to earn income for other people for so long
that for them to have an opportunity to earn for
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themselves is really empowering. That's what we're doing, and who
we are and how we got into that is a
whole different story. So do you want me to yeah, Well,
she's this my sister, she started this business, so she.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Will tell you that's true.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
So I am a woman of faith and so that's
very important to me. So a lot of decisions and
things that I do come out of that perspective. And
when twenty twenty happened, the COVID lockdown, I'm just extremely extroverted.
So the idea of being shut inside my home for
so long without any end in sight, I was like,
I don't know what I'm going to do with myself during.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
This time with three small children, ye and my husband,
whom I love. I love all of them, but I'm.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Like, I'm used to being out and about to be
stuck at home not knowing what's going to happen. It
was just like a really scary time for a lot
of people, myself included. So I was lifting up in
prayer to God like just how I was feeling about
all of that, and like asking for help.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
What the heck am I going to do?
Speaker 3 (03:02):
And I had an idea pop into my head to
start a business, and I'm like, this is strange a
jewelry business, which is funny because I'm not like a
crafty person. If you knew me, you would know I
am not Pinterest. My kids' birthday parties are like the
red Solo cuff.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Like they're not themed. I'm just like not like a
crafty person. And jewelry. I never really cared about that,
And you never had a business before.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
No, I never had a business before either. So just
this whole idea felt like very outside of myself, which
is why I felt like it was something that and
since it came to me in a time of.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Prayer, I was just like, Okay, God is trying to.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Tell me something and I had to say yes or no,
kind of crossroads, and I was just like, I think
I'm gonna try.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
It for me.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
I never want to give my time and my life
to something that's not going to be meaningful or make
an impact in some way for other people. That's just
like a personal choice. And if I'm going to give
my time to something, I wanted to make a difference.
So I was giving back into local organizations that were
doing anti human trafficking where because that's something that I'm
very passionate about. And then after a while I brought
my sister into it because the business started growing and
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it was too much for me to make the jewelry myself,
and so she did try to train me how to
make the jewelry so I could help her, and that
was a total no go because, like I always say,
I have the hands of Shrek. So I was trying
to do these little beat if you can see these rings,
they're like teeny tiny.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
I'm like, oh no, I'll be I'll nerd out and.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Do the spreadsheets and like ship stuff to people. Yeah,
you know how to make that jewelry yourself?
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Yeah, God bless her. I don't. I'm not a spreadsheet person. Yeah,
And I love that.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
I love what the business is created out of just
this desire to connect and really have community and help others.
And I think that's so cool, which is why I
love working with you guys. And why though, human trafficking survivors,
why was that that attachment with this company.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Yeah, I was coming from working with a nonprofit that
had just interaction with a lot of different groups in
the Metro Detroit area that are doing anti human trafficking work,
and to me, I always looked at those people like,
oh my gosh, you guys are such heroes. There was
groups that I was friends with who were physically rescuing
women who had been trafficked, children who had been trafficked,
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and there were groups that were taking them in, like
different groups who were taking them in providing safe housing,
and therapy for them, and I'm just looking at all
these people thinking, oh my gosh, you're the biggest hero
I've ever met in real life.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
And so I'm when I started the business, I was
donating a third of everything that came in from it
back into those groups because I know that these people,
I know the work they're doing is legitimate, and I'm like,
if I want to make a difference through what you're doing.
And after a while it was like, I don't know,
a change of perspective of like, how can I make
a difference. What do I have in my hands that
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I can actually bring to the table here rather than
just funding, which a lot of groups that is what
is needed.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
But for us, we were.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Able to take it a step further and work side
by side with the survivors, and that was like total
game changer. It just changes your perspective on everything, Like
it's complete difference looking on the outside saying I want
to help with that thing and then being on the
inside of it being blown away by what it actually is.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
So a lot we needed to hire.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
We needed to hire people because we just we couldn't
make all the jewelry ourselves, and so we were trying
to think, who can we be intentional about who is
like in our circle. That would be not just like
outsourcing it to like China or something. And so we
just thought about survivors that are living in a safe house.
They can't really go out and get a job in
the public right now. They're still hiding a lot of them,
their traffickers haven't been arrested yet, so they literally are
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not safe to go out. And then also they like
they're not in the mind frame to go work at
like McDonald's or Target right now, like they need to
be in all the therapy, like she was saying. So
it's just like such a win because this is so awesome.
We get to go in where they live, which is
like a safe house, sit with them like in their
own living room or at their own kitchen table, and
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show them how to do this, and then they can
keep all the supplies there where they live and then
just do it on their own time and they don't
even have to if they don't, it's just an option
for them.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
We love it. We love them.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Oh, that was such a good idea, and just it's
cool where your hearts are, where they're coming from to
create such a cool environment too. To be able to
do that and offer that situation for people who have
gone through such a horrible experience and it's such a
widely gosh unfortunately thing that's happening across the entire world,
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and to have one company who's taken a different step
and said, hey, let's try and help these people on
that next step further. Because it's one thing to get
out of it and be rescued, but it's an a
completely different situation to become a survivor of that and
hold yourself in a safe space after all of that
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has happened to you. And you guys are creating a
safe environment for people who really need it. And I
just think that's so awesome.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Thank you, thank you so much. You probably can't tell.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
I don't know, maybe can, But like we laugh all
the time, Like we are not very we're not like
serious people and.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Like professional, but we try to be professional.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
But yeah, we laugh all the time with them, and
a lot of their days are spent like digging into
the difficult things that they've gone through. But we're not
like therapists. We are not trained on how to actually
help them work through that. But the piece that we're
able to bring to the table is just joy and laughter.
Like we sit with them, like they tell us stories
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of things outside of the experience that they've gone through
with trafficking, just like childhood stories, funny things that happened
in the house that week. And we're all sitting around
the table, or some of us are sitting around the
tables stringing beads, others of us are watching.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Some of us are stringing beads.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Anyway, so we're sitting around, we're making jewelry and like
it's story time and we're laughing, and I'll make fun
of her, like just like I just did right now,
where I throw her under the bus because can't.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Make the jewelry. Yeah, Like the ladies get a kick
out of it. They do. They love when we roast
each other and they roast us too. We roast them. Yeah,
we're roasting them too, Okay, Yeah, but they love it.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Yeah, so.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
It's good.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
But they tell us that it's one of their favorite
parts of their week, because you know how it is
when you do the hard work to become anybody that's
gone through anything significant or going through any kind of
therapy of any kind, childhood trauma or what when you
really put in the work to like work through those
things and become well on the other side, it takes
a lot emotionally to put yourself out there and really
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do the work so for them to have a break
from everybody else in their life. Their whole the whole
mission is get these ladies to a place of wellness.
And our mission is that too, We just go about
it in a different way.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Yes, it's us.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Yeah, it's an activity and activities bring us together. And
it's funny how that works, and we don't really think
about it in a sense of therapy. It's it's just
like it's taking your mind off of something that has
happened to you and doing it in a way that
you feel comfortable doing. Whether you guys realize it or not,
you have created not just an environment for healing, but
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also an environment to be happy again. And getting to
be happy again is super underrated after such a traumatic event,
and it's not something that people prioritize. They're really prioritized
on you getting help and you getting the tools and
resources you need. They're not really focused on your happiness
and what that looks like. You guys are providing happiness.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Yeah, for better or worse.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Like our family is trashy like working through actual issues
and all we do is laugh.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
So what's a coping mechanism of our family? Coping mechanism
of choice is let's laugh about it all.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
I like that coping strategy, which.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Is this your dog next to you here? Yes, this
is misfredy she joins to just come in.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
She plops down. That's my therapy. Is her just plopping
on me all the time? Doesn't matter what I'm doing?
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Yes? What have some things have you guys learned.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
About yourself throughout the process of doing this company, creating
the company, and just creating a new foundation of what
a business can look like. What has been some of
those lessons you guys have learned?
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Oh much? Do you want me to start or you?
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Well? The first thing that papped into my mind about
myself is that I don't really enjoy like public speaking,
so like secretly I'm dying right now, like this whole
podcast scenario. But I learned about myself. When I'm passionate
about something and I care about it, I will push
myself to do things that I that are normally like
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outside of my comfort zone, like how many stages have
we been on where we had to like talk and
just it's overwhelming. But I will do it because I
love these ladies like we are there like advocates out there,
so they have to stay hidden right now from the world.
So it's on us to spread the word. Get do
Like how I terrorized.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
You and told you about our business. They got for
you our branding job. Yeah, so like I will do it.
I will. So that's what I learned about myself. One
of the things I think, Okay, I love that, m h.
I love that too, And I'm being proud of you.
I think I feel like you shared.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
One time on like a news interview that we did
and we both started crying, which you know is not
our best look.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
But is anybody a pretty crier?
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Because I don't think so those people are rude though
whoever they are, they're rude. So Shannon is a widow
and she had gone through something that is really hard
to experience in your life, and there was like a
good long time where you were just working through all
of that and you weren't quite in a good place
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like when I started this business, you were in a
different place than you are now.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
I don't know if you want to share it.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
I like I didn't f I had a purpose, Like
I was just existing and so it was like it
was amazing all around how God worked this out because
he knew that he wanted us to connect with the
survivor and he also knew that it would affect our
lives as well.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
So it completely changed my life.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
Like it started off as this business that she started
cut to now it's like my full time job, like
mind blowing, and it's so passionate about it. It's like
what gets me up every single day and I'm just
love it. So yeah, there's something different about living outside
of yourself, Like when you're looking at and only focused
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on the things that have happened to you and your
own world, and then you something shifts and it's we
have this mission together.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
That was life change for me.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
I'm looking at my sister, whom I desperately love, and
I'm like seeing the light come back, and I'm like,
I love the ladies that we work with, but my God,
like I would take a bullet for this woman.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
I don't know, just like watching.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
What the work that we're able to do with them
is life changing in that way.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
I think too. Yeah, it's a.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Special kind of thing when you're doing something that also
heals you. You don't realize it in the moment, and
you don't realize it as it's happening until you're in
the thick of it and you look at your life
you're like, Okay, I didn't anticipate this to help me in.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
The ways that it was.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
And I love that this could be that for you,
because going through that I couldn't ever possibly imagine. And
I'm sure today it's still not easy. It's still not
something that ever will be easy, but you've found a
way through it, and that's super admirable.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Thanks it is.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
Yet I think for me there was like a really
like a turning point where it was the difference between
looking at all of these other people's being like, Wow,
you're my hero for this thing that you're doing, and
almost feeling insignificant in the face of this major world issue,
like this worldwide issue of human trafficking. It feels so overwhelming,
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like how can I possibly make a difference?
Speaker 1 (15:10):
And I'm so.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Thankful of you, amazing people are doing that, and to
be able to take something that I felt like God
had given to me saying like this, gentle, you can
do it, and it was that was life changing for me,
where it went from I'm going to just donate to
this thing to I'm going to put myself in there.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
I'm in the game. I am not a spectator anymore.
I am in the game.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
And it surprises me all the time because I don't
ever feel equipped and I don't know like I don't know.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
So I guess my encouragement.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
Is for people who want to make a difference, because
not everybody's passionate about the same social issues. There's so
many things to be passionate about, like children who don't
have food, like families who are experiencing homelessness. There's so
many different like things that we as humans like it
breaks our heart when we see them happening. And I
just I feel like people, even if they feel insignificant
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or aren't sure how they can make a difference, even
taking one step toward doing that will change your life.
Just try it, because anything that you do, whoever's on
the other end of that, it's they're gonna look at
you and say thank you. Just one step toward doing it.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Yeah, you don't have to have it all figured out.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Like it doesn't have to be this perfect plan before
Lord knows, we still don't have a perfect plan.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
We're just doing happening. We're just laughing our way through it.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Yeah, you guys had an idea, You created something, and
now you're making a significant change. And that was something
I was going to ask you about because I know
often that I will feel when I look at the
world and I see a lot of things happening and
the injustices and just the pain that exists, and.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
I know how small I am.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
I know how much of a difference I could make
or things that I could do differently to help. And
there's been moments of my life where it's very much this, Okay,
I just have to change it for one person and
start there and you work up. But you guys being
in the middle of something that's so huge, and a
lot of people look at it and say I can't
do anything, there's nothing I can do to help that.
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But you guys took it and said, Okay, there's maybe
something we can do.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
So what made you.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Guys have that just inside of you and maybe it
can inspire somebody else to be like, you know what,
I can do that Also because you're doing something I
think a lot of people would love to do. They
just don't quite know how to take that first step
that says I can help one person.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
I love what you said about, like just the one
person keeping your eyes open for like, how can I
make a difference in my everyday life?
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Who are you rubbing shoulders with? Who are you seeing?
Speaker 3 (17:50):
I already knew the people that were at the safe house,
and I was donating money because I started making all
the jewelry by myself. Like I didn't originally think I'm
gonna work hands on with survivors and teach them to
make jewelry. It was like, I'm going to make it
all myself and then I'm just going to donate. I'll
donate money that I make back into this thing. So
it was, but it was like through the relationships that
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I had and like the people around me, that I
just started getting a little closer and a little closer,
asking questions, learning about things, not immediately assuming that I
knew everything, because I'm the type of person who I'm
like I'll throw myself under the bus right away and
be like I don't know anything, Teach me what you know.
So if you're willing to just ask questions, you'll start
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to learn what are the needs that are around me.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
And then as far as.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
Human trafficking goes, like we do have people ask us
all the time like how can we get involved with
what are doing and how can we help? And so
we actually started a program called the Survivor Support Club,
which is every month. The ladies are making jewelry all
the time, and like we have events that we do
or around Christmas time will sell a lot, and we
have a lot of boutiques across the United States that
carry our jewelry, but those orders come in sporadically, like
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we never know when a boutique is going to run
out of bracelets and need more. So in order to
keep the ladies we're working with consistently working, we have
the Survivors Support Club for people who are like I
want to help these ladies and I want to help
them all the time. So you get a brand new
piece of jewelry every month.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
So we make these rings. These are like little fidget here.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
I'll bring them up here. They're like fidget style rings.
So I've got one on my thumb and you just
roll them around. They're like an anxiety relief.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Kind of thing. So sometimes we'll send out those and
then other times.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
We'll send out bracelets, so they'll come on these little
cards that are attached and then it says this is Yeesmans,
so it'll have the name of the survivor that made it.
But we'll send out like a new one of those
every single month to the people in the club and
either they keep the ones they like or save them
up to give them away as gifts for birthdays or
at Christmas time or whatever. But it's a way that
people can support survivors every month and it's twenty five
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dollars and instead of just giving into a charity like
how I was doing when I first started the business,
what this does is it actually provides a job and
it helps the survivors feel empowered. They don't feel like
people feel bad for them. They feel like people are
appreciating the work that they're doing and they want what
ladies are making and that is I think the life
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changing piece for them.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Oh, and that's such a key to all of this
is that they don't feel like it's this helping hand
and they feel about themselves a certain way. You guys
are lifting them up by giving them an opportunity to
do what they probably want to do, which is work
and take care of themselves, and they just don't have
that access yet.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Yeah, it's just cool to see how So it's specifically
the ladies we work with. They live in it's a
program called Hope Against Trafficking, and so they it's like
a group. They all get their own little apartment, but
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they can come together as well. So it's funny because
we'll come back and they'll like deem each other.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
We decided Jill's the manager.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Like, so Jill is in their eyes, the most responsible
one that like keeps the other ladies on track, Like
we never gave them these job titles. Like they like
make this up amongst themselves and it's just so funny.
And we teach them how to fill out like time sheets,
and then the house helps them get bank accounts and
start saving. So it's like a whole like it's not
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just making jewelry. They're like learning responsibility. They're learning like
time management. We actually this year had them start interning
with us, so we have two interns, so survivors run
the business. Yeah, they get dropped off here at our
office and they sit with us, so we go to
the safe house. But now we have survivors that come
here to our office and they learn like inventory and
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like all the things that we do for our business.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
So that's awesome too.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
Because where I get my beads, right, this is how
I pick them out. This is what a great stone
looks like. Yeah, all of the other things that it
takes to run a business. So that they're like learning
these skills. They can use us on a resume in
the future. But it just our relationship is stronger with them.
It's just amazing.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
We love it.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Yeah, Wow, that's that's incredible because you guys aren't just
help not only now are you guys just helping them
to have a step up. You're now like, let me
make sure that when you leave here, you're going to
be prepared for whatever comes next. And that's so rare
that exists. You guys have that compassion and then that
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setup in your business to do something that is truly
making the world better. And that's what's so cool, And
that's why I love working with you guys, because there's
so many people in the world who are always like,
I have a business, but I can't do that or
I can't do this. You guys literally took a business
and said watch us, and we're going to change the
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world for these people. And I think that's more powerful
than anything you guys.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Could probably ever do with the jewelry itself.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
But just the momentum you're creating in a you're really
paving a path for what nonprofit work can look like.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Thank you so much. Yeah, you're trying trying.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
I'll be honest with you, it does take more energy, effort,
and patience to work with people who have been deeply traumatized.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
And I think that I don't know that. I don't
know if it does.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
It's more of a mindset of this is for them,
less about the profit, more about the person. We both
we always say if it wasn't for them, we would
throw this business in.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
The trick you, I don't even care about jewelry. I'm like,
I like, learn how to do all this. God was
like you should do this, and I'm like okay, Like
I was not excited. No, I don't even like making No.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
It is a pure love for them that keeps us
slowly because, like she said, it is very tough. There's
lots of times we have to have them redo stuff
or like we have just.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
I don't go into it.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
I have a hard time remembering some of the things
where it's like these details were this color bead goes
with this color packaging, and we're like, okay, let's sit down,
we'll show you again.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
This one goes here.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Yeah, but we understand and we care about what they
have gone through and we will make time for that.
And what I have found to be very interesting in
my own life now after working with survivors for so
long and like understanding there the.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Trauma brain that they have.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
I have met other people in different like avenues of
my life who I will experience some similar interactions with them,
and I'm like, you have trauma brain.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Like I'm not gonna say that to them, but I will.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
I have like way more compassion and understanding for people
where I'm just like I can take more time with
them and give them more space to be who they
need to be for a minute without being frustrated or
like I'm the gone like I'm a woman about town.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Now, like people people matter. So yeah, I don't know,
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
If you've bet We've never really talked about that, but
have you had like more compassion for people in your
life now that we've been working with these ladies. Yeah,
I feel like it just opened their eyes to like
just be looking and careful with people and not so
irrit like irritated.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Yeah, or like patience comes to mine. It sounds like
you're it's really learned a lot of patience.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
Sure.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
You mentioned that you guys don't like making jewelry, and
it's really funny because up until you guys, I really
didn't wear a lot of jewelry.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
I was not a big jewelry were I didn't it
by jewelry.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
It's just I'm always so uncomfy wearing a lot of stuff.
And you guys had sent me the first package so
many years ago. Now and your guys, this is really
solely the whole reason why.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
I started to wear jewelry again.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
And I'm not wearing any now because I'm very loud
when I wear jewelry.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
I'm not very graceful. It's very you.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Always hear me coming. But I wear mine all the time,
like my bracelets.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
She sent me screenshots I spotted Morgan in Florida with
her Bi.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Brad XXL gossip girl.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Yes, I love you. I love you. It's true. I
really sent her that spot spot I do it all
the time. I am honored.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
No, you're not psychotic.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
I'm honored.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
I and I really enjoy wearing them and I've gifted
them to a whole lot of people who now also
wear them. You guys are one of my just favorite
products in general, and full disclosure, I am one of
their brand angels, but it's never been anything I've made
money from. That was something that wasn't important to me
when you guys said that was. I just wanted to
be part of what you guys were doing.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
And the way that.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
I can help is share my platform and have Hopefully
people also care about things that I care about, and
that's just one of them. Give Back gifts are like
my favorite thing in the world, and you guys are
the top of that list for me.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
Yeah, we love you.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
You are an absolute angel. You're the brand angel of
all brand angels, and we know you care about like
she cares about animals, she cares about the elderly, she
cares about survivors, like she is just an angel in general.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Thank you so much. Yeah, you never expected anything. We're like,
we'll pay you in jewels.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Jewels, You guys have single handedly restored my entire jewelry box.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
So it is a thanks to you guys. You know what.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
I love what you said about using your platform because
circling back to the question where you asked of what
can people do? I feel and it doesn't have to
be like for us, like anybody please be a brand
angel for us. But I feel like using your platform
for good in that way, for whatever social issue you
care about or whatever you want to make a difference in,
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is such a huge deal. It's a really beautiful outside
of my self outlook to have on life of Okay,
so if somebody is looking at me, what am I
pointing them to? Am I pointing them more towards more
of me? Or am I trying to make a difference
in the world. So I appreciate that heart and I
feel like that is something that if somebody is looking
(27:57):
for a very easy way to make a difference like
that could be just post something nice for a cause
that you care about, Share something that you've learned that
is helpful, that is meaningful and impactful for somewhere somebody
in the world.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Yeah, you're awesome.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
I appreciate that. And that's honestly not even why I
said it. It's more that I just there's so many
people who I also think there's this narrative to where
people are like, well, if you do it for this,
then why don't you do it here or here's the
counterbalance and.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Take care of this? And I just don't think that's
what it's about.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
I think the coolest part of existing and being a
human is that you get to care about the things
that you care about, and it's up to you to
take care of those things that you do want to
care about. So how are you going to do that?
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Are you going to use your voice?
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Are you gonna talk to people about it? Are you
going to scream it from the roofstops? What does that
look like to you? And I think you guys are
also living proof that if you just find a cause
that you're passionate about, you can make changes and you
can do things to support. Trying to fix everything in
the world is never going to work. So find something
(29:04):
that you care about and focus on that.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Yeah, it's overwhelming too, and that's a really great way
to get burned out, is to try to do everything.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Yeah, it's impossible. Yeah, you can't.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
So I feel comfortable and good with that and just
knowing I'm making a difference in this corner of the world,
and when I have a chance to help in other areas,
I absolutely will. But I don't want to get stretched
too thin. Like I've got my family and my own
mental health. If I dig into everything, I think I
would just lose my mind.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Human trafficking is.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Heavy oren notough fun, and I can't even fix that
by myself, right, Yeah, And I do think that's why
a lot of people don't get involved in stuff, because
it's like, what do I even pick?
Speaker 1 (29:41):
And there's the guilt and the.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Shame of oh man, if I'm not doing this, but
I focus more on this. Now you're just like, feel bad.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
Yeah, I agree with you. I don't think people should
feel bad about picking something that they're passionate about and
make a difference in one area is better than not
doing anything at all, and be O okay with that,
be good with I'm helping these people, and I don't know.
I'm like watching my kids watch me, and they're littles.
My oldest is thirteen, So I've explained to him what
human trafficking is a little bit like without all of
(30:14):
the horrifyingness that goes into that. And then like my
seven year old, I'm just I just explained to her
that it's modern day slavery. Mom and Aunt Shannon are
helping people who have been enslaved and we're helping them
be free.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
And that's what does that mean.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
I'm like, picture like the worst job in the whole world,
but like not getting paid for it and never being
able to have fun.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Ever, that's the ladies that we're working with. And she's
that's really horrible, Mom, and I'm like, I know, but
we're going to help change that.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
And what a cool thing to pass on to your
kids though, because that's what creates the world that has
more compassion and empathy for people, is when we teach
the kids things that actually matter. And you're teaching them
multiple lessons, not just in those conversations that you're having,
but and also you being the image of someone who
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wants to help and wants to make a difference.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Yeah, like Jack, my thirteen year old, wants to be
in the NBA, you know, every.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Naturally, Yeah, and he is very good at basketball.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
Honestly, I'm like if anyone can do it, Jack's gonna
pull it off because he is very driven and he
is very good at basketball. And we were driving down
the street the other day and he said, Mom, when
I'm an NBA player, I'm gonna buy a house for
every person that doesn't have a house every because we
drive past people who are on the sidewalk with their signs,
and my kids are that's hard for them.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
They ask questions about that. They want to understand it.
And Jack just decided what I'm gonna be rich. I'm
gonna be millionaires. I'm gonna buy you a mansion. I'm
gonna buy that guy a mansion.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
I'm like, Okay, mansions for everyone. He'll be the NBA Oprah.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
But I love that that's his heart because he's that's
where he's at. He's when I have the resources. This
is how I'm gonna make a difference with that. And
I'm like, yep, that's great, baby, and I will fully
support that.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
I want one on the beach, and you need to
have a wing. Shannon and her dog. No, I'm just
kidding it. I'm not kidding.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
So someday, Jack, when you rewatched this interview with Morgan remembererles.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Just remember all of us when you become a big star. Basically,
I always love to end these interviews with it, whether
it's a piece of advice or motivation or maybe something
we didn't get to that. You guys really feel heavy
on your hearts to share, and I want one from
each of you. So I'm just gonna give you the
floor and you guys go from here.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Sorry, I love it. Eave it in or edit it out.
This is the real us.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
Yeah, there's there's just so many things.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
I don't know. What do we not talk about?
Speaker 3 (32:52):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (32:52):
You wanted to talk about this? Yeah, I don't know.
Do you want us to talk about the post bracelet?
Speaker 2 (33:00):
You totally can whatever you It really can be, or
it can be like motivation of how how to keep
moving forward on doing a business like this. Maybe it's
how you keep existing within all of this space. It
can truly be whatever, like you just feel called to
talk about.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
I don't think I helped you in that, but.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
No, I'll say, okay, I'm gonna start. You can edit yeah,
so yeah, okay, so can you ask it one more time?
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Yes? Okay.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
So I love to end these podcasts, whether it's a
piece of motivation, advice, or something that we maybe didn't
get to, whatever it may be. I just kind of
want to give the floor over to both of you.
You each have to share one, and that's where I'll
leave you. It's totally open ended, so no rules, okay.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
One that I just discovered, like within the last year
is that when you're doing like heavy work like this,
you really do have to try to protect your piece
because it is a lot sometimes. And so I talk
to a therapist, and I think that like therapy can
help a lot of people.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
I'm not ashamed.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
I'm proud that I talk to a therapist and they
help me cope with all the heaviness because it can
become overwhelming and heavy and sometimes it's like we hear
such horrible stories sometimes that it can almost take over
and you just have to remember like there is hope
and just keep going, never give up. And there are
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people that you can talk to about stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Oh yeah, that's a great universal one. In general, therapy
is amazing. Whether you think you need help or you
don't think you need any it's good for all of it.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
So I love that.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
That's a good message.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
All right, thank you. I love it. You are awesomes.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
I think for me, my encouragement would just be to
believe that you were made for something bigger than yourself.
That anybody can make a difference, doesn't matter who you are,
where you're coming from.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
What kind of resources.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
You don't have to be an NBA player with multimillion
dollar paycheck. You can start small and take small steps
towards making a difference in whatever area, even if it's
just like a teacher at your kids' school that seems
like she could use extra help, or like classroom supplies,
or just whatever that area is. Take a step and
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don't be surprised when it changes your life, because it will,
and it's going to be for the better. I know
my life has changed, yours is the ladies we're working with.
It is not just a one way thing. The people
that we're working with have absolutely changed who we are
and how we see the world. And I'm forever grateful
for them for the things that we've learned.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Yeah, yeah, oh that was so good.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
Yes, so you get these are both great lessons. See,
this is why I always end on it, because I
can't come back from that. So I loved both of
those and I thought they were great, and I just
want to thank both of you guys for being here
today and sharing your story and talking about these things.
And if you guys want to go check them out.
Ring true dot Co is their website.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Correct, I nailed that trueco dot com. Dang, it's okay.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
So oh so close.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
Hashtag brand angel.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
I always copy paste the right thing, but sometimes speak wrong.
But go check them out and also you can follow them.
I'm just gonna have you guys shout it out instead
of me trying to say this one again on.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
Instagram and Facebook. It's the same thing, right, yes at
Ring True and then underscore Co. Yeah, and also stock
Morgan's because she's always wearing everything.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
All the jewels are, are we True? Yeah they are.
They always are.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
Nearly all of my jewelry is so you can get
all the collections that I'm wearing on their website.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
And we do even have one. Yeah, we do have
one together.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
We have them more and bracelet which is the strength
Is it still the strength one purple and blue?
Speaker 3 (37:04):
Ye?
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Yes, yes, so that one we created out of I
just really not only just honoring all of the human
trafficking survivors and their strength to continue moving forward. But
also strength is such a big factor in my life
and a lot of things that I've gone through and
having the strength to keep moving is so important. So
if you need a reminder of that, that was where
that bracelet was created out of. Yes, thank you both
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for being here and I love you both. You're amazing,
keep doing awesome stuff.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
Thank you, love you too.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
I've always loved a company that's purpose driven and they're
trying to make a lasting impact in the world, and
that's exactly what Amanon and Shannon are all about, which
is why I love working with them so much. If
you've ever heard a story or you've talked with your
friends about a particular topic, you're like, why do more
people talk about this? Send it to me because I
am always looking for topics or guests to bring on
and it's important to me that I keep trying to
(37:56):
broaden the width of what we do here with take
this personally, I just want to make that impact in
the world. That's what I'm trying to do here, much
like Shannon and Amanda are trying to do with their business.
So please send things if you ever hear them, and
make sure to subscribe to the podcast because that helps
me continue to keep doing that. So I love you
guys for being here, and I will chat with you guys.
Next week. We've got other Morgan coming back on to
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do some more pop culture conversations, and then we have
a few more new episodes with some of the residents
at Abes Gardens, so you don't want to miss a thing.
Personally fuelsman.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Now you're in part two of the series that I
never saw coming. It's another sister business. These are women
I've been working with for several years now. They created
the company Ring True, and they did it to help
human trafficking survivors. I love their mission, I love everything
that they're all about. So it's time for you guys
to finally meet Shannon and Amanda. I'm excited to bring
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on two people who I have recently worked with in
the last few years. Their names are Shannon and Amanda,
and they created the company Ring True, which is incredible
beyond just the jewelry that they make, which I'm gonna
let them share that whole story.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
So guys, thanks for coming on. We're excited to be here.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Yeah, because we're nerds, we've been like not like we've
been looking forward to this all.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Day, so sure stop. I'm excited to have you guys
on and share your whole story. So let's get into
some background first. Why did you guys create Ring True?
What is the cause and motivation behind it? All of
that good stuff.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
So if for people who have never heard of our business,
we work with human trafficking survivors. My sister and I
will go to the Safe Home and will teach survivors
who've recently been rescued out of human trafficking how to
make jewelry and then we're able to offer them a
job through our business. So it's incredible. It's worked that
the ladies can do inside the Safe Home while they're
getting back on their feet. They have a lot of
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programming that they go through, like trauma therapy, and they
have a ton of different therapies deekwind therapy where they're
with horses and just like cool stuff that they're taking
back on their feet. But something that we realized was
they'll come to the Safe Home with some of them
nothing but the shirt on their back. And they've been
forced to earn income for other people for so long
that for them to have an opportunity to earn for
(02:02):
themselves is really empowering. That's what we're doing, and who
we are and how we got into that is a
whole different story. So do you want me to yeah, Well,
she's this my sister, she started this business, so she.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Will tell you that's true.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
So I am a woman of faith and so that's
very important to me. So a lot of decisions and
things that I do come out of that perspective. And
when twenty twenty happened, the COVID lockdown, I'm just extremely extroverted.
So the idea of being shut inside my home for
so long without any end in sight, I was like,
I don't know what I'm going to do with myself during.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
This time with three small children, ye and my husband,
whom I love. I love all of them, but I'm.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Like, I'm used to being out and about to be
stuck at home not knowing what's going to happen. It
was just like a really scary time for a lot
of people, myself included. So I was lifting up in
prayer to God like just how I was feeling about
all of that, and like asking for help.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
What the heck am I going to do?
Speaker 3 (03:02):
And I had an idea pop into my head to
start a business, and I'm like, this is strange a
jewelry business, which is funny because I'm not like a
crafty person. If you knew me, you would know I
am not Pinterest. My kids' birthday parties are like the
red Solo cuff.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Like they're not themed. I'm just like not like a
crafty person. And jewelry. I never really cared about that,
And you never had a business before.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
No, I never had a business before either. So just
this whole idea felt like very outside of myself, which
is why I felt like it was something that and
since it came to me in a time of.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Prayer, I was just like, Okay, God is trying to.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Tell me something and I had to say yes or no,
kind of crossroads, and I was just like, I think
I'm gonna try.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
It for me.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
I never want to give my time and my life
to something that's not going to be meaningful or make
an impact in some way for other people. That's just
like a personal choice. And if I'm going to give
my time to something, I wanted to make a difference.
So I was giving back into local organizations that were
doing anti human trafficking where because that's something that I'm
very passionate about. And then after a while I brought
my sister into it because the business started growing and
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it was too much for me to make the jewelry myself,
and so she did try to train me how to
make the jewelry so I could help her, and that
was a total no go because, like I always say,
I have the hands of Shrek. So I was trying
to do these little beat if you can see these rings,
they're like teeny tiny.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
I'm like, oh no, I'll be I'll nerd out and.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Do the spreadsheets and like ship stuff to people. Yeah,
you know how to make that jewelry yourself?
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Yeah, God bless her. I don't. I'm not a spreadsheet person. Yeah,
And I love that.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
I love what the business is created out of just
this desire to connect and really have community and help others.
And I think that's so cool, which is why I
love working with you guys. And why though, human trafficking survivors,
why was that that attachment with this company.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Yeah, I was coming from working with a nonprofit that
had just interaction with a lot of different groups in
the Metro Detroit area that are doing anti human trafficking work,
and to me, I always looked at those people like,
oh my gosh, you guys are such heroes. There was
groups that I was friends with who were physically rescuing
women who had been trafficked, children who had been trafficked,
(05:17):
and there were groups that were taking them in, like
different groups who were taking them in providing safe housing,
and therapy for them, and I'm just looking at all
these people thinking, oh my gosh, you're the biggest hero
I've ever met in real life.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
And so I'm when I started the business, I was
donating a third of everything that came in from it
back into those groups because I know that these people,
I know the work they're doing is legitimate, and I'm like,
if I want to make a difference through what you're doing.
And after a while it was like, I don't know,
a change of perspective of like, how can I make
a difference. What do I have in my hands that
(05:48):
I can actually bring to the table here rather than
just funding, which a lot of groups that is what
is needed.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
But for us, we were.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Able to take it a step further and work side
by side with the survivors, and that was like total
game changer. It just changes your perspective on everything, Like
it's complete difference looking on the outside saying I want
to help with that thing and then being on the
inside of it being blown away by what it actually is.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
So a lot we needed to hire.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
We needed to hire people because we just we couldn't
make all the jewelry ourselves, and so we were trying
to think, who can we be intentional about who is
like in our circle. That would be not just like
outsourcing it to like China or something. And so we
just thought about survivors that are living in a safe house.
They can't really go out and get a job in
the public right now. They're still hiding a lot of them,
their traffickers haven't been arrested yet, so they literally are
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not safe to go out. And then also they like
they're not in the mind frame to go work at
like McDonald's or Target right now, like they need to
be in all the therapy, like she was saying. So
it's just like such a win because this is so awesome.
We get to go in where they live, which is
like a safe house, sit with them like in their
own living room or at their own kitchen table, and
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show them how to do this, and then they can
keep all the supplies there where they live and then
just do it on their own time and they don't
even have to if they don't, it's just an option
for them.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
We love it. We love them.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Oh, that was such a good idea, and just it's
cool where your hearts are, where they're coming from to
create such a cool environment too. To be able to
do that and offer that situation for people who have
gone through such a horrible experience and it's such a
widely gosh unfortunately thing that's happening across the entire world,
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and to have one company who's taken a different step
and said, hey, let's try and help these people on
that next step further. Because it's one thing to get
out of it and be rescued, but it's an a
completely different situation to become a survivor of that and
hold yourself in a safe space after all of that
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has happened to you. And you guys are creating a
safe environment for people who really need it. And I
just think that's so awesome.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Thank you, thank you so much. You probably can't tell.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
I don't know, maybe can, But like we laugh all
the time, Like we are not very we're not like
serious people and.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Like professional, but we try to be professional.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
But yeah, we laugh all the time with them, and
a lot of their days are spent like digging into
the difficult things that they've gone through. But we're not
like therapists. We are not trained on how to actually
help them work through that. But the piece that we're
able to bring to the table is just joy and laughter.
Like we sit with them, like they tell us stories
(08:35):
of things outside of the experience that they've gone through
with trafficking, just like childhood stories, funny things that happened
in the house that week. And we're all sitting around
the table, or some of us are sitting around the
tables stringing beads, others of us are watching.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Some of us are stringing beads.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Anyway, so we're sitting around, we're making jewelry and like
it's story time and we're laughing, and I'll make fun
of her, like just like I just did right now,
where I throw her under the bus because can't.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Make the jewelry. Yeah, Like the ladies get a kick
out of it. They do. They love when we roast
each other and they roast us too. We roast them. Yeah,
we're roasting them too, Okay, Yeah, but they love it.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Yeah, so.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
It's good.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
But they tell us that it's one of their favorite
parts of their week, because you know how it is
when you do the hard work to become anybody that's
gone through anything significant or going through any kind of
therapy of any kind, childhood trauma or what when you
really put in the work to like work through those
things and become well on the other side, it takes
a lot emotionally to put yourself out there and really
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do the work so for them to have a break
from everybody else in their life. Their whole the whole
mission is get these ladies to a place of wellness.
And our mission is that too, We just go about
it in a different way.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Yes, it's us.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Yeah, it's an activity and activities bring us together. And
it's funny how that works, and we don't really think
about it in a sense of therapy. It's it's just
like it's taking your mind off of something that has
happened to you and doing it in a way that
you feel comfortable doing. Whether you guys realize it or not,
you have created not just an environment for healing, but
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also an environment to be happy again. And getting to
be happy again is super underrated after such a traumatic event,
and it's not something that people prioritize. They're really prioritized
on you getting help and you getting the tools and
resources you need. They're not really focused on your happiness
and what that looks like. You guys are providing happiness.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Yeah, for better or worse.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Like our family is trashy like working through actual issues
and all we do is laugh.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
So what's a coping mechanism of our family? Coping mechanism
of choice is let's laugh about it all.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
I like that coping strategy, which.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Is this your dog next to you here? Yes, this
is misfredy she joins to just come in.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
She plops down. That's my therapy. Is her just plopping
on me all the time? Doesn't matter what I'm doing?
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Yes? What have some things have you guys learned.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
About yourself throughout the process of doing this company, creating
the company, and just creating a new foundation of what
a business can look like. What has been some of
those lessons you guys have learned?
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Oh much? Do you want me to start or you?
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Well? The first thing that papped into my mind about
myself is that I don't really enjoy like public speaking,
so like secretly I'm dying right now, like this whole
podcast scenario. But I learned about myself. When I'm passionate
about something and I care about it, I will push
myself to do things that I that are normally like
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outside of my comfort zone, like how many stages have
we been on where we had to like talk and
just it's overwhelming. But I will do it because I
love these ladies like we are there like advocates out there,
so they have to stay hidden right now from the world.
So it's on us to spread the word. Get do
Like how I terrorized.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
You and told you about our business. They got for
you our branding job. Yeah, so like I will do it.
I will. So that's what I learned about myself. One
of the things I think, Okay, I love that, m h.
I love that too, And I'm being proud of you.
I think I feel like you shared.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
One time on like a news interview that we did
and we both started crying, which you know is not
our best look.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
But is anybody a pretty crier?
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Because I don't think so those people are rude though
whoever they are, they're rude. So Shannon is a widow
and she had gone through something that is really hard
to experience in your life, and there was like a
good long time where you were just working through all
of that and you weren't quite in a good place
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like when I started this business, you were in a
different place than you are now.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
I don't know if you want to share it.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
I like I didn't f I had a purpose, Like
I was just existing and so it was like it
was amazing all around how God worked this out because
he knew that he wanted us to connect with the
survivor and he also knew that it would affect our
lives as well.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
So it completely changed my life.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
Like it started off as this business that she started
cut to now it's like my full time job, like
mind blowing, and it's so passionate about it. It's like
what gets me up every single day and I'm just
love it. So yeah, there's something different about living outside
of yourself, Like when you're looking at and only focused
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on the things that have happened to you and your
own world, and then you something shifts and it's we
have this mission together.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
That was life change for me.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
I'm looking at my sister, whom I desperately love, and
I'm like seeing the light come back, and I'm like,
I love the ladies that we work with, but my God,
like I would take a bullet for this woman.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
I don't know, just like watching.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
What the work that we're able to do with them
is life changing in that way.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
I think too. Yeah, it's a.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Special kind of thing when you're doing something that also
heals you. You don't realize it in the moment, and
you don't realize it as it's happening until you're in
the thick of it and you look at your life
you're like, Okay, I didn't anticipate this to help me in.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
The ways that it was.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
And I love that this could be that for you,
because going through that I couldn't ever possibly imagine. And
I'm sure today it's still not easy. It's still not
something that ever will be easy, but you've found a
way through it, and that's super admirable.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Thanks it is.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
Yet I think for me there was like a really
like a turning point where it was the difference between
looking at all of these other people's being like, Wow,
you're my hero for this thing that you're doing, and
almost feeling insignificant in the face of this major world issue,
like this worldwide issue of human trafficking. It feels so overwhelming,
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like how can I possibly make a difference?
Speaker 1 (15:10):
And I'm so.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Thankful of you, amazing people are doing that, and to
be able to take something that I felt like God
had given to me saying like this, gentle, you can
do it, and it was that was life changing for me,
where it went from I'm going to just donate to
this thing to I'm going to put myself in there.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
I'm in the game. I am not a spectator anymore.
I am in the game.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
And it surprises me all the time because I don't
ever feel equipped and I don't know like I don't know.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
So I guess my encouragement.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
Is for people who want to make a difference, because
not everybody's passionate about the same social issues. There's so
many things to be passionate about, like children who don't
have food, like families who are experiencing homelessness. There's so
many different like things that we as humans like it
breaks our heart when we see them happening. And I
just I feel like people, even if they feel insignificant
(16:08):
or aren't sure how they can make a difference, even
taking one step toward doing that will change your life.
Just try it, because anything that you do, whoever's on
the other end of that, it's they're gonna look at
you and say thank you. Just one step toward doing it.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Yeah, you don't have to have it all figured out.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Like it doesn't have to be this perfect plan before
Lord knows, we still don't have a perfect plan.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
We're just doing happening. We're just laughing our way through it.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Yeah, you guys had an idea, You created something, and
now you're making a significant change. And that was something
I was going to ask you about because I know
often that I will feel when I look at the
world and I see a lot of things happening and
the injustices and just the pain that exists, and.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
I know how small I am.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
I know how much of a difference I could make
or things that I could do differently to help. And
there's been moments of my life where it's very much this, Okay,
I just have to change it for one person and
start there and you work up. But you guys being
in the middle of something that's so huge, and a
lot of people look at it and say I can't
do anything, there's nothing I can do to help that.
(17:18):
But you guys took it and said, Okay, there's maybe
something we can do.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
So what made you.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Guys have that just inside of you and maybe it
can inspire somebody else to be like, you know what,
I can do that Also because you're doing something I
think a lot of people would love to do. They
just don't quite know how to take that first step
that says I can help one person.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
I love what you said about, like just the one
person keeping your eyes open for like, how can I
make a difference in my everyday life?
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Who are you rubbing shoulders with? Who are you seeing?
Speaker 3 (17:50):
I already knew the people that were at the safe house,
and I was donating money because I started making all
the jewelry by myself. Like I didn't originally think I'm
gonna work hands on with survivors and teach them to
make jewelry. It was like, I'm going to make it
all myself and then I'm just going to donate. I'll
donate money that I make back into this thing. So
it was, but it was like through the relationships that
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I had and like the people around me, that I
just started getting a little closer and a little closer,
asking questions, learning about things, not immediately assuming that I
knew everything, because I'm the type of person who I'm
like I'll throw myself under the bus right away and
be like I don't know anything, Teach me what you know.
So if you're willing to just ask questions, you'll start
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to learn what are the needs that are around me.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
And then as far as.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
Human trafficking goes, like we do have people ask us
all the time like how can we get involved with
what are doing and how can we help? And so
we actually started a program called the Survivor Support Club,
which is every month. The ladies are making jewelry all
the time, and like we have events that we do
or around Christmas time will sell a lot, and we
have a lot of boutiques across the United States that
carry our jewelry, but those orders come in sporadically, like
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we never know when a boutique is going to run
out of bracelets and need more. So in order to
keep the ladies we're working with consistently working, we have
the Survivors Support Club for people who are like I
want to help these ladies and I want to help
them all the time. So you get a brand new
piece of jewelry every month.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
So we make these rings. These are like little fidget here.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
I'll bring them up here. They're like fidget style rings.
So I've got one on my thumb and you just
roll them around. They're like an anxiety relief.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Kind of thing. So sometimes we'll send out those and
then other times.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
We'll send out bracelets, so they'll come on these little
cards that are attached and then it says this is Yeesmans,
so it'll have the name of the survivor that made it.
But we'll send out like a new one of those
every single month to the people in the club and
either they keep the ones they like or save them
up to give them away as gifts for birthdays or
at Christmas time or whatever. But it's a way that
people can support survivors every month and it's twenty five
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dollars and instead of just giving into a charity like
how I was doing when I first started the business,
what this does is it actually provides a job and
it helps the survivors feel empowered. They don't feel like
people feel bad for them. They feel like people are
appreciating the work that they're doing and they want what
ladies are making and that is I think the life
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changing piece for them.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Oh, and that's such a key to all of this
is that they don't feel like it's this helping hand
and they feel about themselves a certain way. You guys
are lifting them up by giving them an opportunity to
do what they probably want to do, which is work
and take care of themselves, and they just don't have
that access yet.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Yeah, it's just cool to see how So it's specifically
the ladies we work with. They live in it's a
program called Hope Against Trafficking, and so they it's like
a group. They all get their own little apartment, but
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they can come together as well. So it's funny because
we'll come back and they'll like deem each other.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
We decided Jill's the manager.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Like, so Jill is in their eyes, the most responsible
one that like keeps the other ladies on track, Like
we never gave them these job titles. Like they like
make this up amongst themselves and it's just so funny.
And we teach them how to fill out like time sheets,
and then the house helps them get bank accounts and
start saving. So it's like a whole like it's not
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just making jewelry. They're like learning responsibility. They're learning like
time management. We actually this year had them start interning
with us, so we have two interns, so survivors run
the business. Yeah, they get dropped off here at our
office and they sit with us, so we go to
the safe house. But now we have survivors that come
here to our office and they learn like inventory and
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like all the things that we do for our business.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
So that's awesome too.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
Because where I get my beads, right, this is how
I pick them out. This is what a great stone
looks like. Yeah, all of the other things that it
takes to run a business. So that they're like learning
these skills. They can use us on a resume in
the future. But it just our relationship is stronger with them.
It's just amazing.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
We love it.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Yeah, Wow, that's that's incredible because you guys aren't just
help not only now are you guys just helping them
to have a step up. You're now like, let me
make sure that when you leave here, you're going to
be prepared for whatever comes next. And that's so rare
that exists. You guys have that compassion and then that
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setup in your business to do something that is truly
making the world better. And that's what's so cool, And
that's why I love working with you guys, because there's
so many people in the world who are always like,
I have a business, but I can't do that or
I can't do this. You guys literally took a business
and said watch us, and we're going to change the
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world for these people. And I think that's more powerful
than anything you guys.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Could probably ever do with the jewelry itself.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
But just the momentum you're creating in a you're really
paving a path for what nonprofit work can look like.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Thank you so much. Yeah, you're trying trying.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
I'll be honest with you, it does take more energy, effort,
and patience to work with people who have been deeply traumatized.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
And I think that I don't know that. I don't
know if it does.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
It's more of a mindset of this is for them,
less about the profit, more about the person. We both
we always say if it wasn't for them, we would
throw this business in.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
The trick you, I don't even care about jewelry. I'm like,
I like, learn how to do all this. God was
like you should do this, and I'm like okay, Like
I was not excited. No, I don't even like making No.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
It is a pure love for them that keeps us
slowly because, like she said, it is very tough. There's
lots of times we have to have them redo stuff
or like we have just.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
I don't go into it.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
I have a hard time remembering some of the things
where it's like these details were this color bead goes
with this color packaging, and we're like, okay, let's sit down,
we'll show you again.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
This one goes here.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Yeah, but we understand and we care about what they
have gone through and we will make time for that.
And what I have found to be very interesting in
my own life now after working with survivors for so
long and like understanding there the.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Trauma brain that they have.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
I have met other people in different like avenues of
my life who I will experience some similar interactions with them,
and I'm like, you have trauma brain.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Like I'm not gonna say that to them, but I will.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
I have like way more compassion and understanding for people
where I'm just like I can take more time with
them and give them more space to be who they
need to be for a minute without being frustrated or
like I'm the gone like I'm a woman about town.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Now, like people people matter. So yeah, I don't know,
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
If you've bet We've never really talked about that, but
have you had like more compassion for people in your
life now that we've been working with these ladies. Yeah,
I feel like it just opened their eyes to like
just be looking and careful with people and not so
irrit like irritated.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Yeah, or like patience comes to mine. It sounds like
you're it's really learned a lot of patience.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
Sure.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
You mentioned that you guys don't like making jewelry, and
it's really funny because up until you guys, I really
didn't wear a lot of jewelry.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
I was not a big jewelry were I didn't it
by jewelry.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
It's just I'm always so uncomfy wearing a lot of stuff.
And you guys had sent me the first package so
many years ago. Now and your guys, this is really
solely the whole reason why.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
I started to wear jewelry again.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
And I'm not wearing any now because I'm very loud
when I wear jewelry.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
I'm not very graceful. It's very you.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Always hear me coming. But I wear mine all the time,
like my bracelets.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
She sent me screenshots I spotted Morgan in Florida with
her Bi.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Brad XXL gossip girl.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Yes, I love you. I love you. It's true. I
really sent her that spot spot I do it all
the time. I am honored.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
No, you're not psychotic.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
I'm honored.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
I and I really enjoy wearing them and I've gifted
them to a whole lot of people who now also
wear them. You guys are one of my just favorite
products in general, and full disclosure, I am one of
their brand angels, but it's never been anything I've made
money from. That was something that wasn't important to me
when you guys said that was. I just wanted to
be part of what you guys were doing.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
And the way that.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
I can help is share my platform and have Hopefully
people also care about things that I care about, and
that's just one of them. Give Back gifts are like
my favorite thing in the world, and you guys are
the top of that list for me.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
Yeah, we love you.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
You are an absolute angel. You're the brand angel of
all brand angels, and we know you care about like
she cares about animals, she cares about the elderly, she
cares about survivors, like she is just an angel in general.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Thank you so much. Yeah, you never expected anything. We're like,
we'll pay you in jewels.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Jewels, You guys have single handedly restored my entire jewelry box.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
So it is a thanks to you guys. You know what.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
I love what you said about using your platform because
circling back to the question where you asked of what
can people do? I feel and it doesn't have to
be like for us, like anybody please be a brand
angel for us. But I feel like using your platform
for good in that way, for whatever social issue you
care about or whatever you want to make a difference in,
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is such a huge deal. It's a really beautiful outside
of my self outlook to have on life of Okay,
so if somebody is looking at me, what am I
pointing them to? Am I pointing them more towards more
of me? Or am I trying to make a difference
in the world. So I appreciate that heart and I
feel like that is something that if somebody is looking
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for a very easy way to make a difference like
that could be just post something nice for a cause
that you care about, Share something that you've learned that
is helpful, that is meaningful and impactful for somewhere somebody
in the world.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Yeah, you're awesome.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
I appreciate that. And that's honestly not even why I
said it. It's more that I just there's so many
people who I also think there's this narrative to where
people are like, well, if you do it for this,
then why don't you do it here or here's the
counterbalance and.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Take care of this? And I just don't think that's
what it's about.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
I think the coolest part of existing and being a
human is that you get to care about the things
that you care about, and it's up to you to
take care of those things that you do want to
care about. So how are you going to do that?
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Are you going to use your voice?
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Are you gonna talk to people about it? Are you
going to scream it from the roofstops? What does that
look like to you? And I think you guys are
also living proof that if you just find a cause
that you're passionate about, you can make changes and you
can do things to support. Trying to fix everything in
the world is never going to work. So find something
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that you care about and focus on that.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Yeah, it's overwhelming too, and that's a really great way
to get burned out, is to try to do everything.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Yeah, it's impossible. Yeah, you can't.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
So I feel comfortable and good with that and just
knowing I'm making a difference in this corner of the world,
and when I have a chance to help in other areas,
I absolutely will. But I don't want to get stretched
too thin. Like I've got my family and my own
mental health. If I dig into everything, I think I
would just lose my mind.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Human trafficking is.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Heavy oren notough fun, and I can't even fix that
by myself, right, Yeah, And I do think that's why
a lot of people don't get involved in stuff, because
it's like, what do I even pick?
Speaker 1 (29:41):
And there's the guilt and the.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Shame of oh man, if I'm not doing this, but
I focus more on this. Now you're just like, feel bad.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
Yeah, I agree with you. I don't think people should
feel bad about picking something that they're passionate about and
make a difference in one area is better than not
doing anything at all, and be O okay with that,
be good with I'm helping these people, and I don't know.
I'm like watching my kids watch me, and they're littles.
My oldest is thirteen, So I've explained to him what
human trafficking is a little bit like without all of
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the horrifyingness that goes into that. And then like my
seven year old, I'm just I just explained to her
that it's modern day slavery. Mom and Aunt Shannon are
helping people who have been enslaved and we're helping them
be free.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
And that's what does that mean.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
I'm like, picture like the worst job in the whole world,
but like not getting paid for it and never being
able to have fun.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Ever, that's the ladies that we're working with. And she's
that's really horrible, Mom, and I'm like, I know, but
we're going to help change that.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
And what a cool thing to pass on to your
kids though, because that's what creates the world that has
more compassion and empathy for people, is when we teach
the kids things that actually matter. And you're teaching them
multiple lessons, not just in those conversations that you're having,
but and also you being the image of someone who
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wants to help and wants to make a difference.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Yeah, like Jack, my thirteen year old, wants to be
in the NBA, you know, every.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Naturally, Yeah, and he is very good at basketball.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
Honestly, I'm like if anyone can do it, Jack's gonna
pull it off because he is very driven and he
is very good at basketball. And we were driving down
the street the other day and he said, Mom, when
I'm an NBA player, I'm gonna buy a house for
every person that doesn't have a house every because we
drive past people who are on the sidewalk with their signs,
and my kids are that's hard for them.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
They ask questions about that. They want to understand it.
And Jack just decided what I'm gonna be rich. I'm
gonna be millionaires. I'm gonna buy you a mansion. I'm
gonna buy that guy a mansion.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
I'm like, Okay, mansions for everyone. He'll be the NBA Oprah.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
But I love that that's his heart because he's that's
where he's at. He's when I have the resources. This
is how I'm gonna make a difference with that. And
I'm like, yep, that's great, baby, and I will fully
support that.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
I want one on the beach, and you need to
have a wing. Shannon and her dog. No, I'm just
kidding it. I'm not kidding.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
So someday, Jack, when you rewatched this interview with Morgan remembererles.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Just remember all of us when you become a big star. Basically,
I always love to end these interviews with it, whether
it's a piece of advice or motivation or maybe something
we didn't get to that. You guys really feel heavy
on your hearts to share, and I want one from
each of you. So I'm just gonna give you the
floor and you guys go from here.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Sorry, I love it. Eave it in or edit it out.
This is the real us.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
Yeah, there's there's just so many things.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
I don't know. What do we not talk about?
Speaker 3 (32:52):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (32:52):
You wanted to talk about this? Yeah, I don't know.
Do you want us to talk about the post bracelet?
Speaker 2 (33:00):
You totally can whatever you It really can be, or
it can be like motivation of how how to keep
moving forward on doing a business like this. Maybe it's
how you keep existing within all of this space. It
can truly be whatever, like you just feel called to
talk about.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
I don't think I helped you in that, but.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
No, I'll say, okay, I'm gonna start. You can edit yeah,
so yeah, okay, so can you ask it one more time?
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Yes? Okay.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
So I love to end these podcasts, whether it's a
piece of motivation, advice, or something that we maybe didn't
get to, whatever it may be. I just kind of
want to give the floor over to both of you.
You each have to share one, and that's where I'll
leave you. It's totally open ended, so no rules, okay.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
One that I just discovered, like within the last year
is that when you're doing like heavy work like this,
you really do have to try to protect your piece
because it is a lot sometimes. And so I talk
to a therapist, and I think that like therapy can
help a lot of people.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
I'm not ashamed.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
I'm proud that I talk to a therapist and they
help me cope with all the heaviness because it can
become overwhelming and heavy and sometimes it's like we hear
such horrible stories sometimes that it can almost take over
and you just have to remember like there is hope
and just keep going, never give up. And there are
(34:30):
people that you can talk to about stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Oh yeah, that's a great universal one. In general, therapy
is amazing. Whether you think you need help or you
don't think you need any it's good for all of it.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
So I love that.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
That's a good message.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
All right, thank you. I love it. You are awesomes.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
I think for me, my encouragement would just be to
believe that you were made for something bigger than yourself.
That anybody can make a difference, doesn't matter who you are,
where you're coming from.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
What kind of resources.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
You don't have to be an NBA player with multimillion
dollar paycheck. You can start small and take small steps
towards making a difference in whatever area, even if it's
just like a teacher at your kids' school that seems
like she could use extra help, or like classroom supplies,
or just whatever that area is. Take a step and
(35:23):
don't be surprised when it changes your life, because it will,
and it's going to be for the better. I know
my life has changed, yours is the ladies we're working with.
It is not just a one way thing. The people
that we're working with have absolutely changed who we are
and how we see the world. And I'm forever grateful
for them for the things that we've learned.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Yeah, yeah, oh that was so good.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
Yes, so you get these are both great lessons. See,
this is why I always end on it, because I
can't come back from that. So I loved both of
those and I thought they were great, and I just
want to thank both of you guys for being here
today and sharing your story and talking about these things.
And if you guys want to go check them out.
Ring true dot Co is their website.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Correct, I nailed that trueco dot com. Dang, it's okay.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
So oh so close.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
Hashtag brand angel.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
I always copy paste the right thing, but sometimes speak wrong.
But go check them out and also you can follow them.
I'm just gonna have you guys shout it out instead
of me trying to say this one again on.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
Instagram and Facebook. It's the same thing, right, yes at
Ring True and then underscore Co. Yeah, and also stock
Morgan's because she's always wearing everything.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
All the jewels are, are we True? Yeah they are.
They always are.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
Nearly all of my jewelry is so you can get
all the collections that I'm wearing on their website.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
And we do even have one. Yeah, we do have
one together.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
We have them more and bracelet which is the strength
Is it still the strength one purple and blue?
Speaker 3 (37:04):
Ye?
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Yes, yes, so that one we created out of I
just really not only just honoring all of the human
trafficking survivors and their strength to continue moving forward. But
also strength is such a big factor in my life
and a lot of things that I've gone through and
having the strength to keep moving is so important. So
if you need a reminder of that, that was where
that bracelet was created out of. Yes, thank you both
(37:27):
for being here and I love you both. You're amazing,
keep doing awesome stuff.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
Thank you, love you too.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
I've always loved a company that's purpose driven and they're
trying to make a lasting impact in the world, and
that's exactly what Amanon and Shannon are all about, which
is why I love working with them so much. If
you've ever heard a story or you've talked with your
friends about a particular topic, you're like, why do more
people talk about this? Send it to me because I
am always looking for topics or guests to bring on
and it's important to me that I keep trying to
(37:56):
broaden the width of what we do here with take
this personally, I just want to make that impact in
the world. That's what I'm trying to do here, much
like Shannon and Amanda are trying to do with their business.
So please send things if you ever hear them, and
make sure to subscribe to the podcast because that helps
me continue to keep doing that. So I love you
guys for being here, and I will chat with you guys.
Next week. We've got other Morgan coming back on to
(38:18):
do some more pop culture conversations, and then we have
a few more new episodes with some of the residents
at Abes Gardens, so you don't want to miss a thing.
Host
Morgan Huelsman
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