Morgan’s Long COVID Cleanse: How She Finally Started Healing

Morgan shares the most personal and transformative part of her health journey yet, the cleanse and lifestyle overhaul she’s been doing to heal from long COVID and chronic inflammation. Joined by integrative nutritionist Cara Clark, the two walk through every step of Morgan’s process: the hard conversations, the dietary changes, the mindset shifts, and the surprising challenges of trying to stay healthy in a world that doesn’t always make it easy.

Morgan opens up about:

✨ What finally pushed her to start a full-body reset
✨ The emotional and physical challenges of her 8-week protocol
✨ What she learned about inflammation, stress, and her own habits
✨ How long COVID affected her body more than she realized
✨ Why “feeling fine” is not the same as feeling good
✨ The meals, routines, and supplement habits that helped
✨ How her boyfriend supported the process (and felt better too!)
✨ The truth about online wellness trends, including parasite cleanses
✨ Why healing is slow, individual, and absolutely worth it

Whether you're struggling with chronic symptoms, curious about functional healing, or just trying to feel better in your everyday life, this candid conversation offers guidance, encouragement, and a reminder that you don’t have to accept feeling “not great” as normal.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:14):
Personally.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
Kara Clark joins me this week. You may remember her
from an episode several weeks back when we were just
talking all things health and wellness, but since that episode,
she's been helping me through a lot of my own
health journey. So Kara, welcome back to the podcast.

Speaker 1 (00:30):
It's so fun to be back because I feel like
we can get more specific.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
Now, oh so specific, because now you have a full
on patient in your myths that has done a lot
of the things that you've suggested and told me to do.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
So we're just gonna dive right into all this, but
go ahead and.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
Give them a brief background, just to reset in case
nobody heard that last episode, and I.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
Did hear from a lot of your fans and wanting
similar things to what we've done for you. And I
think the biggest premise is like we still always have
to have the foundation. We still always have to have
the baseline, which can be pretty much across the board,
but then it gets pretty bioindividualized, Like the plan you
have is not a plan I've ever given to anyone else,
you know what I mean. But the baseline and the
foundations is pretty simple. It's eating for a stable blood sugar.

(01:14):
For most people that looks pretty similar. It's eating within
the hour of waking up every three to four hours
after that, always combining your macro nutrients, eating five different
colors a day, so getting that variety of phytonutrients, drinking
the right amount of water, which was which I'm steasy
for you. I'm still learning on that one movement which

(01:37):
we actually had to go backwards in order in order
to go forward with you. So movement, how it feels good,
What feels good to your body. That's not the same
as everybody around you. And I think a lot of
times we compare ourselves to people at our stage of
life or whatever, and we want to do what they do.
But a lot of times, in order to move forward,

(01:58):
we have to take a big step back. So that
going back on what I always teach is stabilizing your
blood sugar through food, regulating your nervous system, which we
did with you right from the get go. Hey, movement,
like I said, and dialing in sleep and then just
deloading the body.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
When we did so much, it was crazy because I
was sharing it online really as a more informative of Hey,
there's a lot of things you can do to help yourself.
But it was an interesting place to be in because
a lot of people are like, I want to do
everything you're doing, but I always had to do it
with the stipulation of just an FYI, this was my
specific body experience. We did things specifically for what I

(02:40):
was going through, what my blood work looked like, what
my symptoms were, and that's going to be so different
for everybody. Yeah, and that's such a I want to
put that asterisk even on this episode is these things
are going to be tools to help you with different things.
But what we're talking about specifically are things that worked
for me, and Careen will be able to share things
that work for other people. Yes, But that's such a
big part to this is I know, in a lot

(03:02):
of traditional medicine, we've learned to believe that there's one
size fits all in a lot of ways and a
lot of medicines, But when it comes to really focusing
on healing your body, that's not quite how it works exactly.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
Because to your point, a symptom across the board that
many people might have, So for instance, I'll share one
that you have talked a lot about in just a
second is going to be treated differently for each person
because there's different causes of that symptoms. So we're looking
at head to toe, also discussing symptoms, how long they've
been going on, that sort of thing. But the one

(03:38):
I was laughing about yesterday because it always just makes
me think of you, was how you haven't really smelled
for five years? And somebody said this that my bible.
I'll say yesterday, I haven't smelled like I know people,
or I haven't smelled or tasted for three years, and
I'm like, who lives like that? Why don't you figure out?

(04:00):
So my mindset is I don't like to live with
very many frustrations health issues, but I know what happens
is people start to normalize those, so like we get
these symptoms and we think this is just who I am,
This is like a part of me, this is ingrained
in me, whatever, and then we just deal with it.
But I was laughing so hard because I'm like, who

(04:21):
would just deal with that?

Speaker 2 (04:22):
And you were thinking about that.

Speaker 1 (04:25):
One of the questions I asked Morgan every single week
this is fun for you guys to know, is how
would you rate your smell? What's the percentage?

Speaker 2 (04:34):
Yeah, and it's funny because we still haven't quite gone there.
We still have a ways to go. There's still part
of my healing journey that we found how to pause
because my life always gets very chaotic round all days,
which I definitely want you to talk about, because the
smell has been such a big portion. It was a
big reason of why I even went to care in
the first place. Was I knew in my heart that

(04:54):
smell wasn't the only thing being impacted. It was like,
there's other stuff going on in my body and I
know it's all connected. I just don't know how to
fix it.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
Yeah, And that.

Speaker 3 (05:02):
Was really what led me to you.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
You came on the podcast, and so much of what
I love about you is finding a way to integrate
into your day to day life because it's really hard
if we go into things like this with this mindset
of all or nothing. You try to because that's the
hope eventually, but with this all or nothing mindset, I
think it deters a lot of people from trying it.

Speaker 1 (05:23):
And it's even something I had to say to you
a couple times, was like, this isn't a setback, this
is life, yeap. So like we deal with the cards
that were given and most of them are good. So
especially during the holidays, the experiences are fine. You're with
people you love, you feel safe with these people, like
savor that and then let your body be your guide

(05:45):
on food. I think you'll probably share that you even
learned your lesson a little bit on your friends giving.
All right, yeah, I said, enjoy yourself, have fun, don't
worry about it. This is none of this is going
to be a true setback. It's just learning how to
live life this way. But you said you didn't feel
very good.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
Yes, yeah, see, we have so many different parts of
this to talk about, but let's start from like very beginning.
The reason I went to Kara in the first place
was I had long COVID and I knew it was
impacting my body. My symptoms ranged from not having my smell,
I had fatigue, I had brain fog, I couldn't really
remember things super well, dizziness. I feel very confident that

(06:23):
vertigo played a significant role in that. And there was
just a lot of things all leading up to me
just feeling truly like crap. On top of that, like
beyond long COVID being the thing, I had gained anywhere
from five to fifteen pounds that I, for the life
of me, could not get off of my body no
matter how much I thought.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
It worked out really hard.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
Yeah, I worked out hard, way harder, and I was
very disciplined and what I thought I was eating and
I thought I was doing all of the right things.
And so going to Kara that was really like a
back of mine, like maybe this will also help along
the lines of there, and just everything changed, truly, my
entire mindset of everything changed.

Speaker 3 (07:04):
So that was the reason I went to Kara.

Speaker 1 (07:07):
Yeah, but you were so compliant that it was a
little bit of an all or nothing for a window,
and I think that is a huge factor. So I
personally won't even work with somebody that doesn't have your
level of compliance because it can be so frustrating and
then they want to blame me for their lack of compliance.
But I think you knew like you were going to

(07:28):
give it your all for eight weeks, and I think
it was helpful to set that timeline, like we had
that much time between summer and holidays, which is a
huge time for people to take advantage of their health,
and you were all. You were all, and plus the
biggest factor we had to take into consideration with you
for resetting hard resetting with food was that you're pretty

(07:52):
much vegetarian, and so that was one of the things
I was a little bit nervous about. If I'm being
really honest, and I shared that with you. I don't
even know how to not share the whole truth.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
Yeah, you should go ahead and shair.

Speaker 1 (08:04):
So it was more like, hey, what are you comfortable
with Because you eat eggs, you eat cheese, I know
you're comfortable with some non vegetarian or non vegan foods,
I should say. And you don't have a vegan approach either,
which was also really helpful that you weren't eating like
fake meat and like tofu and stuff like that. And
I'm not completely anticy, but it's not really helpful in

(08:26):
how we wanted to move you forward. So I was like, Okay,
I would love to do this hard reset like autoimmune
protocol with you, but it's not possible. We like work
to every which way because we need nuts, we need seeds,
we especially need legoomes. We did take a break from
eggs mostly because you got sick of them. Yeah, because

(08:46):
that was kind of helpful.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
I think we even talked about last time on the
podcast because I have such a weird relationship with eggs.
Sometimes I really like them and sometimes I want to throw.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
Up eating them. It's oh, you didn't have your cottage cheese,
so we did. We tapered back dairy, which can be inflammatory,
but the bigger key with dairy is to take breaks
from it because it is a great protein. As that
really satisfies you. Adding it back in was no problem.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
Yeah, I think I've learned even just adding things in,
and we'll get to that in depth. Is that it
over If I did too much, I felt my body reacting. Huh.
If I was really intentional about it, I only had
a couple of bites, or I didn't fully splurge, my
body didn't react quite as much.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
It would definitely completely reliant.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
Yes, it was like I had to very much understand
what my body was signaling me when I was introducing
those and how far could I take it?

Speaker 1 (09:38):
Yes, And then I pushed you, how far could I
take you? Even as far as going to what's your
blood type? Let's figure out if this is a long
term thing that you can be healthy with. And we
evaluated that and it was just amazing how open you
were to various protein powders, adding in different protein options,
and even bone broth.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
Yeah, bone broth is about the only way I think
I will ever be able to incorporate something that isn't
vegetarian vegan, because there's just in my head I can't like,
in my head, I'm feel this little girl eight years
old making the decision to not eat meat. And even
it's now, you know how eggs love it sometimes and

(10:21):
hate the other, but meat is I hate it all
the time. I want to vomit even thinking about it.
So Kara was like, Okay, maybe we can try fish,
and I was like, no, I will She's like salmon.
Maybe you're trying everything, and I was like, this is
not a possibility.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
Even said shrimp sum.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
Yeah you tried fish, because that would be an easier
transition for somebody who has been vegetarian for so long.
And I just looked at Karen and I said, I
don't know that I will ever be able to physically
consume meat. Yeah, animals like eating wise and she goes, okay,
bone broth, and I was like, if I can find
a way to sneak it in and I can like
mentally tricked myself, then I'll try it every now and again,

(11:04):
and it has been it's still something challenging.

Speaker 3 (11:06):
I've tried it a few times and snuck it in foods.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
Like I'll do mostly vegetable broth with a cup of
bone broth. Uh. But then my mind still likes tricks.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
It does.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
You know what you're eating. You don't like this, but
it's been an interesting challenge for me. So still very
much holding on to that vegetarian side of me ye,
while also allowing myself the grace to try bone broth
every now and again.

Speaker 1 (11:32):
Yeah, And what it came down to was her blood
type isn't necessarily an ideal match for true vegan vegetarian
and I love a plant based approach. If you ever
follow hopefully some of you guys have dug into my meals,
but if you've ever followed my meals, I really do
lead with plants. I try to make the protein be
like a portion. And so when looking at Morgan's labs,

(11:54):
I could tell that there was some vitamins that were
off and that we can supplement potential. But then we
took a deeper look and some of the inflammatory markers
were telling me, okay, we don't use the vitamins that
well either, like you use to complicate things even worse
for me too, I'm like, I have to get real

(12:15):
crafty here. And then you were open to a couple
of the options. So that was really helpful. I decreasing
her stress load by giving her foods that were only nourishing.
So we gave you, like a very simple food approach,
and that works for you too, Honestly, you guys, Morgan

(12:36):
can eat the same thing every day.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
For the most part, for at least a week. I
can eat the same thing. And then I'm like.

Speaker 1 (12:42):
I know she can go without eating, which is another
huge aspect to her improvement. It's something I think I
used to shy away from talking about fastening at all
because I think it can be so harmful in the
way that people do it. And so we even bio
individualize that set up for you and structured it in
a day that was like one of the days you

(13:04):
were going to forget to eat anyways, and guided your
path with that. So Morgan so compliant to add in
a weekly fast and extended fast weekly and it was
anywhere between twenty four and thirty six hours. I think
it got more thirty six ish as you went on right.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
Yeah, the longest I ever went was forty one hours,
and I thought I was going to eat off my
hand at that. That was where I caved and I
have to have food or I will be a monster.

Speaker 1 (13:31):
And we were monitoring her stress signals, we were monitoring
her hydration. I was making sure she was having electrolydes
pretty much weekly. Is when I would hear from her
as well. She was fasting, which was really helpful because
it does make me a little bit nervous in her case. Again,
when we're looking at lab markers, I could see a

(13:51):
very high stress load, so high stress load, burned out
B vitamins not surprising. With a high stress load, the
adrenals really run through vitamins. And then a methilation issue
on top of that. So we had some markers that
point towards methilation issues potentially genetically. Okay, so I'm not
going to say for sure because we didn't do a
genetic test, but we had markers pointing towards that. And

(14:16):
so we had, like I said, we had to get
a little bit creative, and I kept encouraging her, Hey,
let's make sure we are working with the system, not
for or against it. We didn't want to have all
this stuff. She was so used to taking so many things,
and even though I still probably kept you on a
good amount of things, it was not working for you. Yep.
It was activating your system to do the work. And

(14:39):
one of the things that comes to mind is the
adrenal cocktail that we had you having every morning.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
Oh yeah, and I haven't told you this was a
controversial post. Oh really Yeah, so I had somebody research
seen that and yell at me for saying that this
helps adrenals.

Speaker 3 (14:54):
Oh, and I said, you know what, I'm gonna have Kara.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
Talk about this because where I think the controversy lies
is that you have a lot of people stuck in
the traditional medicine mindset where there's only one way to
do things, and I think if you have it when
this was a person who was speaking from a very
medically complex situation, and I said, yeah, you're an individual,
you're probably not going to work with this particular thing.

(15:19):
But somebody like me who has different things happening, this
is going to help me. So I would love for
you to speak on this and why we have integrated
this into my life still every day.

Speaker 1 (15:30):
Yeah, like I was saying, the stress patterns in her body,
where I keep saying her and Morgan, but you guys
know what I'm talking about, stress patterns in your body?
Were I also, your life is unpredictable, and so we
had in order to let her body heal. Her body
was protecting itself from itself. So in order to let

(15:54):
her heal, we had to decrease the stress, and so
we had to let the system know it was say,
And the adrenal cocktail is designed to provide the electrolyte
minerals from natural sources. So we have salt, we have potassium,
we have chloride, and those were coming from the cream

(16:15):
of tartar in the salt, in the coconut water.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
And the orange is just for good measure.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
Orange is for good measure. It's not enough to spike
your blood sugar, but it is high enough to spike
some people's blood sugar. So blood sugar is not Morgan's issue,
which is great.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
There was something that wasn't my problem.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
That's true because a lot of the times when I'm
seeing people there is metabolic dysfunction. For you, it was
more mitochondrial dysfunction. So the powerhouse of the cell was dysfunctioning,
which was making stress signals, neurotransmitters, that kind of stuff unstable.
And when that was, that was unstable. So the body
couldn't heal from the long haulers, and so we had

(16:52):
to bring our body into a safety net that it
could heal. So all the food that you ate, the
drinks that you drank, were all working for the greater purpose.
Does that make sense?

Speaker 2 (17:03):
It makes sense to it.

Speaker 1 (17:04):
I can see why for a medically complex person that
may not make sense. So, like, we're not telling everybody
to do the same thing.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
No, And it also wasn't We weren't posting it as
a I think there was a lot of people who
think if they drink that every morning it was a
magic cure, it was going to fix a lot.

Speaker 1 (17:20):
That's just there's no miracle cure for any of this.
There's not one thing that's gonna do it all.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
No, and this sure is this may be gonna help
with your potentially stressed levels. But I often said if
anybody reached out, was I'm also doing X, Y and Z. Yeah,
So I can't tell you that's the only thing that's
going to help and make it better. It could for you,
maybe that's all you have as a problem.

Speaker 3 (17:43):
I hope it is.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
But if you're like me and you have a multitude
of things going on, then you're gonna have to also
incorporate a bunch of other things. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
So for you, that drink was foundational, but for a
lot of people that would be supplemental.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
And the reason I say that was foundational is because
the chronic stress load on your body. And when we
went back on a timeline, it was like, Okay, since
I can remember, this was happening to my body, So
it wasn't just twenty twenty when it started. It's what
amplified it. Yeah, and that's what happened. That's what I
see a lot of times.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
Yeah, it was like I had long COVID just exasperated
a lot of things that weren't already happening in my body,
which is what we've also very much talked about. It
was almost like long COVID came along and just kicked
everything further along exactly kind already had these things Brewery.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
It was just like shining all the flashlights on the problems. Yeah,
which is why the inflammation got to be out of control,
meaning that all the things you used to do to
manage your weight weren't working the same way. That wasn't
just an age thing. That was inflammation. At its core
is protection. And so again your body was protecting you
from you. And then foundationally, like I said, foundationally we

(18:51):
support with food, we supported with movement. So let's talk
about that.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
Oh, movement. Yeah, so I used to be quite the
I was a boxer. I would do CrossFit, I would do.

Speaker 1 (19:03):
All all the way back at gymnasts.

Speaker 2 (19:05):
Yes, Like I was always a very active person and
I loved I even still say it to this day.
If I don't sweat, I don't feel.

Speaker 3 (19:12):
Like I did a workout.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
So I was always a very intense person when it
came to working out. It's what made me feel really good.
And Kara looked at me one day and said, we're
gonna need to tailor that for a while.

Speaker 1 (19:26):
How do you feel about walking?

Speaker 2 (19:29):
Let's not do that for a while.

Speaker 1 (19:32):
Again, that was to help you. Your body work with you.
So when the body's in chronic stress overload, which was
the keynote for you. So when I looked at the labs,
it was like stress inflammation, inflammation, potentially genetics, but mostly not.
I don't want to say lifestyle, because it's not like
you weren't already doing things healthily. You just were overdoing

(19:53):
them and underdoing them. She wasn't eating enough, she wasn't
drinking enough water. She was being overactive and not overactive
like were exercise consumed half her day, but she was
going too intense, and so we were monitoring your temperature,
your heart rate multiple times a day and just seeing
if what we were doing was working for the system

(20:13):
or working against the system. So those were stress markers
that we could collect the data on every day. Some
of those are still we still want to improve, but
they did get better. They got more consistent, they got
more predictable. The big factor was how she was feeling
after her workouts, and Morgan, she was so used to sweating,

(20:34):
so used to going so hard, but she also maybe
got used to not feeling good from the workouts and
just thinking that was normal. As a gymnast who was
on the floor for five hours a day or whatever,
that would feel normal.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
Yeah, you get used to that too.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
You're going to the fatigue that too. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
As an athlete, you just you really it becomes this
identity where you're like if I didn't push hard enough,
then I'm not going to feel it or I'm not
going to see the results. And so there would be
times leading up to this, really towards the end, right
before I started working with Kara, where I was doing
this series of workouts that was really intense and the
whole purpose was to keep hitting prs, yeah, get higher.

(21:13):
And there was one day where I thought I was
having a panic attack. My heart was like beating out
of my chest. You would have thought that I just
ran a marathon. And I was so confused because my
body was screaming at me like something's not running and
I was still pushing it. And that was an indicator
to me that something was going on because that had
never happened to me before. And then after that, as

(21:35):
I started to work with Karen, I was still lifting,
not quite to that extent, but I was still lifting.
I would get really lightheaded, I'd get really dizzy, and
She's like, Okay, I think this is just to sign
your body, like really wants you to chill out for
a while and just start walking and doing yoga, which
is all.

Speaker 1 (21:51):
I did for about six weeks.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
Yeah, what was wild to me? And this entire experience
is a few things. One, I lost fifteen pounds when
I wasn't going.

Speaker 3 (22:04):
Hard, I became eating more, Yeah, eating.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
More food all the time. I realized how much unhealthy,
healthy stuff I was putting in my body that was
really marketed to me as healthy. I realized, what.

Speaker 1 (22:19):
Are some examples of those. I feel like people are
going to want to know that.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
I feel like it's the treat stuff right where it's
it's obviously better ingredients and the key in general that
I've noted in this whole process because I was basically
vegan and gluten free this whole process. Yeah, so, because
since I wasn't eating meat, it basically just turned into
vegan besides adding bone broth whenever I could.

Speaker 3 (22:43):
Stomach it, and it was very much.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
I would go to places and I'd get really excited
about seeing an alternative with really healthy ingredients of something,
say it's tortillas or crackers, and I still will consume them.
It's just now understand how that's playing a role in
my entire makeup. If I'm eating chips and I'm snacking,
my body's probably not gonna like that because I didn't

(23:07):
give it any actual nutritions. If I did eat some
chips after a really great meal, then my body's probably
gonna respond better. Yeah, it was a lot of that.

Speaker 3 (23:17):
Yeah, Okay, now I'm.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
Learning the ingredients I should and shouldn't be consuming. I
should really be eating constantly whole foods. And you always
made a point to me and said, because you have
such a low protein diet by choice, you're gonna have
to forcibly consume protein before you go and consume these.

Speaker 3 (23:33):
Yes, And that was also an important factor. So it
was like it was really relearning how my body needed
nutrition and what that looked like.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
And I just want to point out that you never
once said calories. Oh no, you said ingredients, you said
real food, you said nutrition. You never we never counted calories, Nope,
never touching them. We barely talked about macros. It was
more conceptual, like intuitive, like making sure she had all
three macros at every meal, pulling from certain meals that
we worked on together. That was crafty and creative too.

(24:07):
But I think that's a big key for people, is
not I only had ten chips. What else did you have?
What did you give your body that it can use?
Because again, if we're putting food into our body or
process food, I should say, and our body can't use it,
then it's causing more stress.

Speaker 2 (24:25):
And that's exactly what I was doing. I was an
habitual snacker. That's just how I consumed meals. Was I'd
eat when I could, and it'd be here or there.

Speaker 1 (24:34):
And I'd be chips, got rock star life.

Speaker 2 (24:36):
Literally like crackers and cheese. I ate like a toddler,
not because I wanted to, but because that was just
how my lifestyle really allowed. And I had to completely
shift my idea of what my lifestyle looked like. Yeah,
and it was taking My life is very stressful in
a lot of situations, and I'm very busy all the time,

(24:57):
but I had to put it in a min instead
of this is your health and the only way you're
going to be able to keep doing this is to
take care of yourself.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
I had to pull back those layers.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
Yeah. And before that too, before we started working together,
you had already honed in on sleep and getting yourself
into a better circadian rhythm. So that was really helpful.

Speaker 3 (25:15):
Yeah, and changing like the I would go to bed
so late.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
Now I go to bed so early. And that's the
focus I've become a lot more intentional about Yeah, just
so many different aspects that I would have never learned
without you. You were so important in guiding and helping
me learn things and really making me.

Speaker 3 (25:37):
Take charge of what I needed to take charge of.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
And you did a great job. And I remember at
the beginning too, you kept saying, my detox, my detox,
and I'm like, we're goan, Remember we're not. You're not.
Your body can't detox yet. We have to work on
the foundations and the drainage pathways. And really, when people
are getting more honed in on like their goals and
through a lens of functional nutrition and functional health, then

(26:02):
it they do feel the detox. So naturally, you your
detox pathways were opening back up, your drainage pathways were
getting aligned with the detox pathways, and your body was losing.
But it's ironic because we never ever once talked about
your weight. And then at one point I was like,
oh my gosh, like your inflammation is gone, and You're

(26:24):
like I just weighed myself.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
And I lost fifteen pounds. What just happened?

Speaker 1 (26:29):
Yeah, And that was only in six weeks.

Speaker 2 (26:31):
It really was, And it was watching I put on
my standing only jeans. That's how I figured it.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
Out, because I can only wear them well standing.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
And so I got really excited because I put on
my standing only jeans and I was like, I can
sit and standing only jeans. And that was not at
all part of this entire process, but it was a
cool moment.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:55):
And that was then when I weighed myself, I was like, oh,
holy crap, I lost fifteen pounds that I've been trying
to lose for five years.

Speaker 3 (27:04):
It was a wild revelation.

Speaker 1 (27:09):
You probably do a lot of events where you're only standing, yeah,
so you can justify having a standing only see.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
But this is where the problem was in my body
was that my waist has always stayed a pretty like
stable size. It's really never changed, but the inflammation in
like my gut and stuff has changed. But then it
changes the fit of a lot of jeans that I
have to wear, one because I'm sure, and two because
I already have a small waist on top of that.
So like, jeans never fit me in the right way.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
Yeah, they just never did.

Speaker 2 (27:39):
I found very few pairs where they actually were great
for all opportunities.

Speaker 3 (27:43):
So I always had standing jeans.

Speaker 1 (27:45):
Oh, my god, Jean, that's so funny. Oh yeah, so
that had to be a huge moment.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
It was, And it was so funny because even my
boyfriend was like, you look tiny. You're already tiny, yeah,
and you look even tinier. It's like you're like shrinking.

Speaker 3 (28:00):
And I was like, this feels crazy and I feel amazing.
It wasn't like I was doing.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
That because I felt like I needed that, or it was.

Speaker 1 (28:09):
No, it never even came up. It was all trying
to reverse the symptoms you were having, reverse the conditions
that you were facing and reset the body. And it
was detoxing you. You were losing inflammation. But the process
of that is making sure your four drainage pathways are open.

Speaker 2 (28:27):
Yes, And that's why I want you to talk about that,
because something you had told me was you hear a
lot of people who will promote detoxes online, or they'll
promote parasite cleanses and these different things. But you looked
at me and said, we can't do any of that yet.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
We still haven't.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
We haven't even well, we've donexes and parasite things, but
very minimal.

Speaker 3 (28:47):
That's what we're the long.

Speaker 1 (28:49):
Journy to get you to a safe place.

Speaker 3 (28:51):
Yeah, my body wasn't right.

Speaker 1 (28:53):
It was way too stressed. And what happens is people
do they jump on board for these quick fixes or
it worked for so and but the reality is most detos,
most programs that are marketed as detox cause more harm
than good because the drainage pathways are not open. So
when your body is detoxing, So if there's a die
off with detox, comes die off of pathogens, whether it's parasites,

(29:15):
fungus candida which is also a fungus bacteria viral, there's
a die off and that releases gases into the body.
If the body is not able to collect that up
and disperse it and get it out of the system,
it's going to cause more inflammation. So I've seen a
lot of people do parasite cleanses, especially because that's the
trendy one lately, because a functional medicine detox will actually

(29:36):
help to optimize pathways too, and it will at the
least not do anything. Okay, yes it won't hurt you.
But those I never see those marketed that those are,
they're more discreet. The ones I see marketed are always
causing more harm than good. If the drainage pathways aren't open,
and so that was a big conversation that we had
because I know that you are ready to like get

(29:57):
rid of things, and like we said, it wasn't a
weight thing. We knew there was inflammation, but we knew
there was inflammation, not really have based on how she looked,
because I'm sure you guys look at her and yeah,
you're tiny, like you're always tiny, but on how she felt.
So if there's dizziness and there's congestion, So we worked
on lymphatic system a lot to continue to move waste

(30:19):
where it was supposed to go. So our lymphatic system
is the king of waste. And we always just think
things are coming out in our sweat and our stool,
but like how do they get to the sweat and
the stool. There's other symptoms in the body that help that.
Not only that are lungs, so like a lot of
people are they have short breasts or it's very much
in their chest and not in their diaphragm. So we

(30:41):
worked on breath work right away, We worked on lung capacity,
and then we worked on nervous system to help the
lungs because the lungs are the king while you sleep,
they're creating carbon dioxide that breaks down harmful waste and
moves it along. So that's the biggest overlooked one in
my opinion. And then the other one that happens a

(31:01):
lot for women with anxiety or your stressy girlies.

Speaker 3 (31:05):
Yeah, I call them stressy girlies.

Speaker 1 (31:06):
It makes me no better is the kidneys. The kidneys
are off, and that shows up in like how we
don't feel empty when we go pee, or we constantly
feel like we have to pee, or the opposite, we
never feel like we have to pee. And so one
of the drainage pathways is our kidneys, and our uric
acid is breaking things down so it's not just our poop.

(31:28):
And her sweat, yes, which also needs optimize for most people.
So we had a sweat test for you.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
Oh yeah, And so now that's why I'm now up
to twenty five minutes in my little blanket, which I'm
doing really good at now. But at the beginning of
it was a crazy experience because that was stay in
so long. Oh my gosh. Yeah, it started fifteen minutes,
and then we moved up to twenty five every day
and I still do it. It honestly, Now, if I
feel like crap because I ate something I shouldn't have,

(31:57):
or I was busy and I didn't do what I
needed to do, I can get in the sunda blanket.
It resets me. It gives me a fash start. I
love that feeling now.

Speaker 1 (32:06):
It is amazing. And the sauna blankets unique too because
it's infrared. It's not just a hot blanket like a
lot of people get that on Amazon and then they
send holes in their body.

Speaker 2 (32:16):
But okay, don't do that. Okay, this is your warning
not to do that. But why is the infrared important?

Speaker 1 (32:22):
The spectrum of so this is physics, and we talked
a lot about physics working on the nervous system using
frequency music, that kind of stuff. That's all physics. So
there's a spectrum of red light and infrared is invisible,
but it actually helps to work on like a tissue level,
so getting into the cells, into the tissue of the
body and releasing things out of it. So just the

(32:43):
traditional sauna is gonna help purify the body through the sweat.
Most people aren't sweating appropriately, their drainage pathways aren't open,
so the infrared can help whether the drainage pathways are
open or not. So I always recommend infrared over traditional,
especially if you're not really sure you're at in your
health journey.

Speaker 2 (33:01):
Okay, yeah, that's good to know because these are all
things people ask me about and I'm just like, honestly,
Kara told me what to do, and I just do it.

Speaker 3 (33:07):
Yeah, that's really what has been happening.

Speaker 1 (33:09):
But almost anyone can benefit from infrared, sana, detox baths,
red light therapy. So rather than putting extra stuff into
your body, we were like trying to help mobilize that
stuff to get out of the body by supporting the
pathways and your sweat and your nervous system.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
And you were at the very beginning of all of this.
It was like peeling an onion. So you had talked
to me about and I think this goes along with it.
There was like different steps we had to take in
order for me to get to where I am currently.
This wasn't just a I met with her once and
she told me, Xyz, I see your labs and this
is what we're doing. It was like, this is step one,

(33:50):
let's start here, and then we just kept adding or
pulling back or changing things as she was monitoring my progression,
So can you talk about that a little bit.

Speaker 1 (33:59):
Yeah, And going back to the stress support, So we
saw labs at the very beginning. I was like, I
need all of your labs that you've had in the
last year or two, anything, so that I could get
a good read on her body. And like I said,
the very obvious thing was if we don't support your
body in a very loving way, then we're not going
to get where we want to get to. So that

(34:20):
first layer was just providing the foundational support for you. Again,
that was different. Obviously we always want like an active
multi vitamin, but you are already doing that with imiplex.
We want in your case, we needed some b activation.
We need a megas. Almost everybody needs more megas, which
is better omegas. Yeah, for you. That we did the

(34:41):
resolve in the body bio. So we were working on
different because I said, we could see some mitochondrial issues
that were potentially contributing to the stress or the stress
caused them. It wasn't which came first, a chicken or
the egg. So we did a lot of the body bio,
which is sell support for you, and that really helped
us to eliminate and I guess eliminate the fatigue. So

(35:04):
once that energy came, we were able to accomplish a
lot more, and then we could see what would bring
the energy up and what would bring it back down.
So we were able to assess, based on your energy levels,
what was working, what wasn't working. In order for her
to actually do a detox, I made her run more labs, that.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
Is true, which was also a nightmare because I'm a
terrified of needles and I hated it. I looked at
Kara and I said, please, don't make me do it. Also,
I let Kara.

Speaker 3 (35:29):
Prick me in her office to give my blood d off.

Speaker 1 (35:32):
She didn't tell me she was afraid of needles.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
Yeah, I was terrified, but we had to figure out
my bloody figures.

Speaker 3 (35:39):
She mentioned earlier, because that's been to do this for everybody.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
Yeah, I know, but it was something we needed. But
then I did end up getting labs, which was also
an interesting experience because you pulled labs so much more
different than the labs that I had done originally. Yes,
original labs like a CBC that you'd get at a
doctor's office really aren't pulling a lot of the vitamins, minerals,
that kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 (36:02):
Yeah, correct, uh huh. Yeah, So it's not so much
vitamin like I'm not usually looking at the micronutrient the
full micronutrient panel. I do like to see some B vitamins.
I like to see obviously iron. So there are some
vitamins and minerals. But yeah, the general I always say,
it's like a cherry picking, like they're gonna You're gonna
say I have this symptom, and they're gonna just do

(36:25):
a few labs that are relative to them. But if
I don't see what's going Like, for instance, I didn't
have your I feel like your full CMP.

Speaker 3 (36:36):
Yeah, meta panic, the basic kind of one.

Speaker 1 (36:38):
Yeah, so I had your basic. I could tell there
was a stress load. I could tell it was a
chronic stress load. I also could tell that we were
depleted a B vitamins based on your red blood cells,
but I couldn't figure out because I didn't have the
panel what that looked like potentially genetically and so how
far can we go without knowing that there's a potential
genetic factor? Yeah, and can you detox so you know,

(37:02):
with genetic components like MTHFR, you might not ever be
able to detox. So you're you were right on the
verge of that from a lab marker standpoint. Yes, it
was way more labs, but was it way more tubes
when you got the lab work done, it.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
Was not a whole much care. Yeah, but it was
also the MTCHFR if you want to touch on that,
because we suspect, again we haven't done the true genetic
testing of it, but based on labs and what she
has seen, Karas like, I suspect that this is probably something.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
Yeah, because after she lost you lost fifteen pounds before
we redid labs, I knew there was inflammation based on symptoms,
but I didn't have the lab markers for that. So
we ran homocysteine CRP. We did the full iron panel,
and we did the full thyroid panel, which were not
in your labs. Your thyroid's good, so that was the

(37:56):
good news. Like, the stress wasn't so significant that it
was causing like actual autoimmune, but the homostes scene in
the CRP were still above what I would have expected
after doing all that work. So that was the indication that, Okay,
there's genetic factors at play that we have to make
sure going forward, So we kind of made a going

(38:16):
forward plan, like we got to take this into consideration.
So it's like some of the supports that I have
you on, might be medicine cabinet, and some might be
long term.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
Yes, something I'm on for the rest of my life, yeah,
versus something I have to take when I feel certain things.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
Yes. And in reality too, I feel like when you're
in a maintenance, we're still not there, Like we haven't
hit the end goal for you. But when you're in maintenance,
if you forget to take your supplements or whatever for
a day or two, it's not a big deal. You
don't notice the difference.

Speaker 3 (38:46):
Yeah, because you've worked up and you put in all
the work and the hours.

Speaker 1 (38:49):
Sucy pays off. Same with food. That's why I was like,
go enjoy your parties, enjoy the holidays. You have put
so much into this. You were so compliant, so consistent.
That pays interest, that carries you through.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
And honestly, that was one of the first changes I
had made, was the diet change, going completely dairy free,
gluten free, basically the vegan side of it. And I
still I'm still keeping up with that. That's still something
I'm doing beyond if I go and have a meal
with my family or something, and I can't really find
a lot of options somewhere that I'm at and I

(39:22):
just have to make do. But the before, what's crazy too,
is that would have spiraled me, that would have sent me. Okay,
I already ate this, so I'm just going to continue
down that path. But now Coo on a feeling, Yeah,
really you got head new Morgan.

Speaker 3 (39:37):
She's I have my dinner at home, oh you know.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
Yeah, for me to eat my books called the feel
Good Way, m h.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
It's all about it's really truly integrating into your lifestyle
and figuring out how you can make it.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
Work for you. It doesn't feel like restriction. I love
that quote that says it's a health quote that says
everything changes when it goes from I can't have that too.
I don't want that, And.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
That's very much where I am. There's still moments, don't
get me wrong, where I'm like, oh yeah, I want
that for sure, but then I feel it. So now
that we're in this space right now where I am
trying the ninety ten lifestyle, that's what we've called it,
where ninety percent I'm keeping up with everything in ten percent,
where I have that room to try other foods and

(40:21):
do other things if my life is chaotic, because a
lot of times it is, and I have noticed I'm
I'll get headaches or my body will be really itchy.

Speaker 3 (40:32):
It just doesn't like that type of food.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
And so when you get that response, after having put
in all the work, you do get to a place
of I don't think I want that, I think I'm okay,
and that you really wait start to weigh.

Speaker 3 (40:47):
Those options, especially once you felt so good.

Speaker 2 (40:50):
And you know how good it feels to then be like,
I don't feel great anymore. Even the one day that
I had that, I looked at my boyfriend and I
was like, I have the headache. I don't like this.
I don't feel great really recently.

Speaker 3 (41:03):
Yeah, And I was like, I don't want to feel
this way.

Speaker 1 (41:06):
Yea, I don't like this feeling. What was it?

Speaker 3 (41:09):
I had some of a cheesecake, which.

Speaker 2 (41:11):
You know was a combination of gluten and dairy, and
I had a really long day and I had eaten
my healthy meals, I ate my healthy breakfast, I had
my healthy lunch. So I think that's the only thing that.

Speaker 1 (41:21):
See me need to add an enzyme to your medicine cabinet. Okay, yeah,
probably for times like that.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
For moments of it, it was one of those like
really long, stressful days and I needed like a little
to keep me moving.

Speaker 3 (41:34):
And but then by the end of the day, I said,
why did I do that?

Speaker 2 (41:37):
And I'm just sitting there like contemplating.

Speaker 1 (41:39):
My entire life. Okay, so go to the portal and
get the cheesecake bites. There we go, and then free
zo so that you can have that when you want it.

Speaker 2 (41:46):
Okay. But this was also my thing that I learned
in this whole process, is the world makes it really
hard to be healthy.

Speaker 1 (41:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:53):
I do really great at home. I do really great
when I have all of my stuff, And but why
when I go out into the world and I want
to enjoy a meal with friends and I want to
be able to work and have options that are.

Speaker 3 (42:06):
Healthy, why is that so hard? Why is it so
much to ask for?

Speaker 2 (42:10):
I've really realized just how much we're not doing.

Speaker 1 (42:14):
You don't want to go down that rat at home?

Speaker 2 (42:17):
I have, I began true, and that's why I have
so much empathy for people who are just struggling and
have chronic issues, because you walk out into the world outside,
outside of your own choices, and you have to make
a choice, or you're going out to dinner, or life
is really chaotic and you have to eat out. For
some reason.

Speaker 3 (42:36):
It isn't made easy to give you.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
The car to be healthy.

Speaker 1 (42:39):
It's true, and it's getting better. Like we have options,
but that not accessible. They're not accessible to everybody. I
know what you're saying. This is a funny story, A
little bit on topic, a little bit off topic. But
my husband's friend was in town visiting and I was
trying to do a fast that day and I don't
remember what number, what hour I was on, and I
was like, yeah, I can't really run the kids around

(43:01):
all night and be on a fast. He's like, why
you'll stop at Chick fil a or something, and I
was like no, I'm like, I don't trust myself if
I get dizzy or something. I would never stop at
Chick fil a for myself. You're like, if my kids
in it, yeah, yeah, Like the kids are more resilient
than me. Like, I don't I feel horrible when I
eat that stuff. I would rather starve and that's a

(43:23):
blood sugar issue. But I do keep nuts and stuff
in my car. My point was I couldn't be on
a fast and do all the things I needed to
do that night because I was afraid, like driving, you
don't want to be You gotta be careful when you're fasting.

Speaker 2 (43:34):
Yeah, no, you do, and you do have to keep
emergency nuts on hand.

Speaker 1 (43:38):
Yeah, I had my nets. Yes.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
At a wedding one time, one of my friends is
get married and I was really at the middle point of.

Speaker 1 (43:46):
The Eastern Tennessee wedding.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
Yeah, very we were in the very middle. We had
hit like a five week mark, and I was like, I,
this wedding can't be my.

Speaker 1 (43:54):
Even ordered you special food.

Speaker 2 (43:56):
Yeah, because I was vegetarians and they were already accommodating me.
And I made all of my friends, I said, go
eat the food that they please that they ordered specifically
for me. And I was eating my nuts at the
table because I was. I felt so good that I
just didn't want to spiral. Yet.

Speaker 1 (44:13):
I think it's good that you're sharing that because I again,
like the level of compliance that you had is why
you got the rich results. It doesn't come without that
much dedication. And that's really always the hang up I
have with people is if I could do it for you,
I would.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
But you have to want to do it.

Speaker 1 (44:32):
Yeah, you have to want to know that there's another
side to how you feel.

Speaker 2 (44:37):
And you have to be willing to It was Karen.
I had a lot of hard conversations, just like the
vegetarian one where she's, hey, if you're going to continue
on this diet, I don't know that you're ever going
to full peak a hundred percent fully healed.

Speaker 1 (44:50):
I can't promise like one hundred percent optimization.

Speaker 3 (44:53):
Without yeah, without me change.

Speaker 1 (44:55):
It would have been like if you came to me
and you're like, I still wake up every day at
three point thirty and then I work out and I work,
and I would be like, we'll support you, but we
can't optimize that.

Speaker 2 (45:06):
It was very much like she said, here are like
all your options, and you have to decide what's going
to be best. And I said, Okay, this is something
I still very much want, but how can I do
everything else?

Speaker 1 (45:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (45:17):
And we very much worked around that because I was
willing to do everything else.

Speaker 3 (45:22):
And I said that that'll be a conversation down the road.

Speaker 2 (45:25):
We'll see how I develop as my years go on,
and but right now, this is how I feel, and
this is where I'm at.

Speaker 3 (45:31):
And we had when you.

Speaker 1 (45:32):
Took your supplements, you took your electro lights.

Speaker 2 (45:36):
Yeah, and I still was eating gluten free dir I
brought food in coolers because I knew again the world
doesn't make it easy. So if you were going to
be out and about, I was not going to find you.

Speaker 1 (45:45):
I say, you're you're guys supportive of all that. So
he was. He's been eating everything.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
Very much. Wanted to kill me one of the days
because I gave him a hard time for drinking coffee.
And that's information. I don't think. He's like, but you can.
The internet says it's fine, and I was like, no,
I don't think Carol.

Speaker 1 (46:05):
Remember what my answer was.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
Yeah, And you're like, oh, it's fine. As long as.

Speaker 1 (46:08):
It's fine for him, it wouldn't it be for you.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
Yeah, that was it. And I said, okay, fine.

Speaker 1 (46:12):
You don't drink coffee anyways. But it's almost like your
system just rejects it because it would be too stressful
for you to have coffee. It would raise your cortisol.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
Because of that potential gene that I have that really
holds onto inflammation. That all being said, now I probably
won't be able to eat a lot of dairy.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
No, I think you'll be able to eat. I think
you'll be able to enjoy the cheeses that you eat.
You make good dairy choices. It's not like you're just
like binging ice cream.

Speaker 3 (46:41):
No, I just really like blocks of cheese.

Speaker 1 (46:44):
And those are have ensigns in them. So in reality,
I think another solid eight weeks then you would be
able to incorporate cheese and feel good.

Speaker 2 (46:53):
Yeah, it's just we haven't hit there. You guys are
really seen at this like middle Mark. Yes, I did
put in a whole lot of work. I feel really great.
I'm really happy with how far it's come. But there's
still more work to be done. And that's a testament
to the fact I really thought it was going to
be easy in a moment where it was like, I
can do this because I want to feel better. But

(47:16):
I think realizing that, oh, this is decades of my
life that I've done damage to my body eating all
kinds of things and doing all the right and wrong
things that I've created kind of a disaster and I
can't expect that it's going to be fixed.

Speaker 1 (47:32):
Just a kid from the Midwest.

Speaker 2 (47:34):
Eating that much chain restaurants and having my good fried
food for so many years later. Chips, Yeah, all the
things that I did have to come to this realization
that I'm rewriting years of things that were done to
my body.

Speaker 1 (47:48):
And I love that you said that too. I think
this is going to be so helpful for your listeners
because it's so true. Like you took a cooler to
a wedding with you realize that it's going to take time.
I think a lot of you do feel better, so
that gives you a hope to keep going. And that's
always the initial response I want from my clients is, oh,
this is the best I felt in a long time.

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But I always tell people the calculation is one month
for every year.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
Yeah, that's a lot of years. That's a lot of months.

Speaker 1 (48:20):
I work with people in their fifties and I'm like,
I'm sorry to tell you this, but I need eighteen
months to not meeting weekly or anything like that, but
like eighteen months of really consistent habit changes.

Speaker 2 (48:33):
And it's hard. I'm not going to sugarcoat anything. It
was hard. It was one of the most trying eight
weeks of month.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
It was the hardest part though, I think drinking water.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
Yes, I'm still working on that, still learning how to
do that.

Speaker 1 (48:46):
It's really you'll be fooled by her big water bottles.

Speaker 3 (48:49):
It's always full.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
Not a lot of drinking about. I think the hardest
part was really changing my lifestyle. And I'm actually really
proud of where I've come in the fact that I've
really learned to stop taking so much stress on. I've
really thought back against that. I've showed up for myself
in a lot more ways than I really thought possible.

Speaker 1 (49:10):
Would you say you have a little bit more resilience
to stress though, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
For sure, I bounce back a lot more.

Speaker 1 (49:15):
Huh.

Speaker 3 (49:16):
But it I'm quicker to say, hey, this is going
to stress.

Speaker 2 (49:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (49:20):
Stress to me.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
Before it was like just keep piling it on, I'll
figure it out.

Speaker 1 (49:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
Now I'm like, no, I need a day. Yeah, give
me a break and I will be back even better.
But I've learned to just advocate for myself a little
bit more. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (49:32):
And when you say your lifestyle, are you saying because
you have so many friends and like activities and going
out and drinking and that kind of stuff.

Speaker 3 (49:41):
It was more just honestly, the drinking is the easiest part.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
I have had maybe two SIPs of a hot Spike
top chocolate since we started this whole thing.

Speaker 1 (49:50):
That seems like a random choice, it really was.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
I just really wanted the hot chocolate. If I'm being honest,
I didn't really care for the alcohol that was in it.

Speaker 3 (49:58):
I don't that part. I don't miss that One's been easy.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
It's more just learning to incorporate all the healthy stuff
to my lifestyle, like.

Speaker 3 (50:07):
Cooking meals and making sure I'm preparing stuff.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
And being well. And people probably don't realize that, like
you don't know what time you're getting home every day. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:14):
Everything.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
A lot of people have more routine of a schedule,
Like I even have a block of this is when
my kids are at school. This is when I do
my work, and then I shift to my next block,
which is I say, I'm working nine two five and
then driving five to nine. I like that remix, do
they like always something? So like supporting your self and

(50:35):
your routine is going to be different than your followers
and your listeners very much.

Speaker 2 (50:41):
And I a lot of my schedule is always up
in the air and it's always changing, so I had
to adjust really just how I go about doing things
and adding more consistency to my health routine because my
life is inconsistent.

Speaker 1 (50:55):
And an example of that is we did mostly warm
savory bread bakfast for you and moved your smoothie to
a time where it was really hard for you to eat.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
Yep, lunchtime.

Speaker 1 (51:06):
Uh huh.

Speaker 3 (51:07):
And I wouldn't like to eat at lunch well, And
that's the.

Speaker 1 (51:09):
Other random thing, is like half the time you were
home to eat lunch. And so she had her smoothie
with her anyway.

Speaker 3 (51:15):
Let it defrosted.

Speaker 1 (51:16):
Yeah, so she would And that's a good habit to
tell people. She made her for smoothie, her smoothies ahead
of time, froze them, and we took them out of
the freezer in the morning so she could have it
for lunch.

Speaker 2 (51:30):
And that was very much. The smoothies were a great
integration into having healthy meals because honestly, food prep is hard.

Speaker 3 (51:38):
That's a really hard part for me.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
I love to cook. It's very much something that I
enjoy doing, but it requires a lot of time and effort.

Speaker 1 (51:46):
But I don't genuinely have you did that on Sundays
for the most part, for.

Speaker 2 (51:50):
The most part. Now it's all over the place because
I'll batch make things well.

Speaker 1 (51:54):
Because it's now more incorporated like you, it's just what
you do, so you don't have to set it aside
a time or have a very specific grocery list because
that first grocery list is extensive, am I right?

Speaker 2 (52:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (52:04):
Oils, the seeds and nuts.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
Yeah. But every time when I had to restock everything
that was like your supplements, but everything in between was
easy because I knew and I had different ingredients, and
when you were cooking so much, it just changing that
habit of me just finding convenience over something that was
better for me was probably the hardest part.

Speaker 3 (52:28):
Yeah, out of all of it everything else.

Speaker 2 (52:31):
Once that started to really came together, I would say
that took me about a month to get used to that.

Speaker 1 (52:35):
Yeah. So then the other thing I want you to
talk about. I'm acting like I'm the host here. I
love it reverse roles, but I think it's really helpful
for people, is your boyfriend eats meat. So tell people,
like how you made it work where it was accommodating
both of you guys.

Speaker 2 (52:53):
So every meal that we made fit with my dietary
restrictions with gluten free, dairy free, and no meat and
then he would add he always had either steak or turkey,
and he would just add it to practically everything we made.

Speaker 1 (53:08):
That's fine, Yeah, like so he ate what you.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
Ate, exact same thing. And then he'd top it with
a steak that he made soups, he'd throw steak in there,
and he loved it.

Speaker 1 (53:17):
I love that his easy way to do it. People
go into it thinking, I don't want to make two meals,
or if you have kids and say a piggy husband
or spouse or whatever, I don't want to make three meals.
But I always say, you rework the meal you make,
like you make one meal, and then they eat it
their own various ways.

Speaker 2 (53:35):
Yeah, however they want to. Yeah, me too. And there
was a lot of times where he there's one meal
that we're both obsessed with. It's called marry meat chickpeas.

Speaker 3 (53:42):
I now batch make it because he could drink it.

Speaker 1 (53:44):
I swear he doesn't marry me anything.

Speaker 3 (53:48):
Oh my gosh, the whole sauce.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
I think it's all the same, and it's so good.

Speaker 3 (53:51):
It's so good, And he doesn't eat that with any meat.

Speaker 2 (53:53):
He there's a lot of them he doesn't eat. Yeah,
because he genuinely likes the meals because it's great. But
then when he get it's like a crazy knee. He's like,
I need some protein. He'll throw it in there and
it's a great addition and it makes it really easy
that I don't feel stressful if one of us is
cooking that we have to do something for the other one.

Speaker 1 (54:11):
So what was his innocent bystander results.

Speaker 2 (54:15):
I think he felt better. It was funny because we
both were notorious for also not eating breakfast in the morning,
just busy life, and that's become a There was one
day where he didn't eat breakfast and the next day
he wasn't feeling super great.

Speaker 3 (54:28):
Oh and he got like from work that day.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
So the next day I said, you have to eat
breakfast today and tell me how you feel.

Speaker 1 (54:35):
I love that.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
He came home that night he said. I was like,
did you get tired? Did you have the midday not
slump er anything? He's like, no, I felt great. I
was like, I'm telling you that was a huge change
for me. I don't have the midday slump any more
because I eat breakfast.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
Yeah. Yeah. People don't realize that. Again, they think it's
a calorie control thing. But it's the whole system is working, yep,
not just insulin or calorie systems.

Speaker 2 (54:58):
You rewired my brain and so love eyes. So yeah,
from anything from snacking to eating in the morning to
going on walks instead of being intense. I just hope
in general that people are taking from this that I
basically thought I was doing everything correctly and I was
living a healthy life by a lot of standards, and
I had to stop all of it and change to

(55:20):
do better for myself and fit a lot more of
what my body needed. And sometimes that's all our body
is really asking for, is us to just take the
intention to ourselves instead of from everyone else. Yeah, and
that was very much what changed the game for me.
Is there anything we haven't hit on that you want
to make sure we talk about or things that might help.

Speaker 1 (55:39):
No, I think everything else is just too bioindividualized. And
I think that's it. I guess that's the last thing
to talk about. Is like when Morgan shares stuff that's
working for her, sometimes it is a general synopsis that
it does work for everybody, but not everything she shares
is foundational health. It's her health, it's her health journey,
and it's really important to be happy for people where

(56:00):
they're at and also be encouraged that you can get there.

Speaker 2 (56:03):
Yeah, and that's always the hope, and sharing, even in
doing this episode is just to give you perspective and
maybe open your mind just a little bit more, because
I think if you would have told me before I
ever had Remy, I've told Kara this story.

Speaker 3 (56:16):
Before I ever.

Speaker 2 (56:16):
Had Remy, I would have never known anything about holistic
or integrative or functional health. And Remy has a holistic
and traditional medicine vet who combines both of them, what
you'd call now an integrative vete. And I had her
for ten years with Remy, and that was my introduction
to all of this, and I'm really thankful for that

(56:38):
experience because it's helped my health, it's helped Remy's health, Hazel.
It's just it's shaped a lot of what I understand
about health and wellness, and I think so much of
it is it can be wrapped in such a tiny
bow of saying this is.

Speaker 3 (56:52):
Not a one size fits all. What works for me
is not going to work for you.

Speaker 2 (56:56):
But I hope it encourages you to look for things
for you and also just be curious, be asking questions.
Be open minded because the answers that you might think
are there maybe a little bit more complex than what
you've been believed to think your entire life.

Speaker 3 (57:13):
Yeah, good to challenge that belief sometimes.

Speaker 1 (57:16):
Yeah, And from a foundational standpoint, if you heal your cells,
your body will heal. So we have to take whatever's
stressing the cells out and replace it with what's nourishing
the cells. And that's what I teach.

Speaker 3 (57:31):
Yeah, that is important the.

Speaker 2 (57:33):
Board part and all back to please don't do the
parasite clans you see online. Make sure you're ready for this.

Speaker 1 (57:38):
Morgan's not even to get to do a parasite clean
still the spring.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
I've been working on this for a long time perspective, Yes,
so just be weary of what you're seeing online, but
also take it as knowledge and ask questions and be curious.
That's that's what started this whole thing for me, was
asking Cara questions on a podcast episode.

Speaker 1 (57:57):
Truly let's exchange info.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
Yeou it did because life was happening and we had
to find the right period of time in my life
that it was going to work.

Speaker 3 (58:08):
So everybody's going to have these moments.

Speaker 2 (58:09):
Where it'll work and where it won't, and it's really
more than anything, what's really discouraging is to be chronically ill.
I know that from so many standpoints now, and it's
really hard to sit in a doctor's office and say
you're totally fine, but here we can try X, Y
and Z, and you're just sitting there. I don't want

(58:31):
to spend more money trying X, Y and Z when
I know I don't feel good even though you're telling
me I'm fine. And so this is for everybody who
feels that way, just to say whatever you're feeling is
valid and there are options for you to try other things,
however it may look.

Speaker 1 (58:47):
And you don't want anyone normalized not feeling good exactly.

Speaker 2 (58:50):
The Cara's the whole thing is the feel good way
you're supposed to feel good exactly. And you do have
a big announcement coming at this point when this comes
out on Monday.

Speaker 1 (59:01):
Yes, are you shared? Is it this Monday before Thanksgiving?

Speaker 3 (59:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (59:07):
No, okay, So we need to make sure everybody just
goes and text her out on socials.

Speaker 3 (59:12):
Yes, okay, she has big stuff coming.

Speaker 1 (59:14):
That anybody can do. You don't. You have to prep
your body for this, and that's why I did it,
That's why. So it is a product. And the reason
I did this as my first product is because I
see it as being valuable to every person, no matter
what age.

Speaker 2 (59:29):
And this is important because if you are wanting things
to work for everybody, then this is a great starting point.
But also she does all kinds of challenges that anybody
can get on.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
And in our membership portal right now or in our membership,
we are working on inflammation as a theme, and we
just talked about genetic inflammation, so the things that we
see show up in your labs we just talked about
in November and December, we're working on inflammation from a
nervous system standpoint. How the nervous system, how you're talking
about rewiring like the body wires too, So we're doing that.

(01:00:02):
But more importantly in the new year, we are working backwards,
so back to basics regulating blood sugar, but also how
to biohack your own body to regulate blood sugar because
each body is different and tools to use to do that.
So getting our metabolic system optimized will not only reverse diseases,

(01:00:22):
but it'll prevent almost every single disease there is.

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
Wow. Yeah, and see this is all stuff that you
guys can you don't. You can use care virtually through
her programs and memberships and all kinds of things. You
can also just start by eating whole foods and getting
her cookbook. That's a great place to start if you're
like overwhelmed and this is too much.

Speaker 1 (01:00:40):
Yeah, start.

Speaker 2 (01:00:41):
She has a great cookbook called The Feel Good Way,
and you can start there by cooking better for yourself
or just cooking.

Speaker 3 (01:00:48):
Yeah, just trying some new things. But check them all out.
It's care Clark nutrition dot Com for everything.

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
And then I'm excited to see the new product. I know.

Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
Thanks for sharing that. Yeah, honestly, thanks for being so
transparent and vulnerable. This is obviously going to help your audience,
but it's going to help mine too.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
Yeah, because it's important. This is the whole story. Yeah,
I can only share so much in a minute thirty
second clip online.

Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
But you tried.

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
Yeah, And that's where I get yelled that for doing something,
and I said, no, I'm just trying to help anybody,
maybe this way. So this was the long form version
to hopefully help other people start to heal, because I know,
me feeling better would make a lot of other people
feel great if they could feel what I'm feeling right now.

Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
We can't wait to tell you guys that her smell
is one hundred percent back.

Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
I'll be exciting to Yeah, that might be as exciting
as the standing only g today for sure. Kara, thanks for.

Speaker 1 (01:01:40):
Being here, Thanks for having me.

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
I've had so many questions about my health journey and
how it's been correlating to long COVID, so I'm hoping
this episode gave some more perspective into how everything has
been working and really why I'm doing it. Kara is
such a great resource if you have chronic health issues
or really any health issue that has come with lots
of questions and no answers. I hope everyone can feel
as great as I've been feeling the last few weeks,

(01:02:04):
and all of the hard things have totally been worth it.
As always, I'm so happy that you're here, currently working
on more episodes and series for you all, so be
sure to subscribe for more next week and as we
get into the holidays. I'd love to be your friend
on the microphone through the tough times, because.

Speaker 3 (01:02:17):
That's what this is all about. I'll talk with you
guys next week