October 13, 2025 • 37 mins
- It’s time to MMQB with MIKE HOLMGREN and HUGH MILLEN We get preliminary thoughts from Coach and Hugh on the Hawks win in Jacksonville. :30- MMQB continues- just how good is JSN? Is Darnold targeting JSN too much? We get Hugh and Coach’s thoughts on the relationship between the QB and WR1. :45- We wrap up MMQB with some finals thoughts on the Hawks from both Coach and Hugh,
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Now the Monday Morning Quarterback with Mike holm Grin and
Hugh Millin.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Here's Chuck and Buck.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Hi, Yes, Chuck Pouw, Buggy, Jacobson, Ashley Ryan with you.
Monday Morning Quarterback always comes away from eight to ten.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Today just eight to nine.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
So we are combining the awesome forces of Hugh Millen
and Mike Holmgren together in this eight to nine hour
to talk some Seahawks football here on Chuck and Buck
Sports Radio ninety three point three kJ RFM.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
Good morning, Man, Good morning, Good morning, Chucks, Good morning.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
All Right, we got a win to talk about, and
there's there's some great stuff to discuss from this twenty
to twelve win over the Jacksonville Jaguars. You I'm actually
going to start with you because last week we spent
a lot of time talking about where did Mike McDonald's
pass rush go? And then all of a sudden yesterday
a guy that had been sacked six times all season
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long get sacked seven times by this defense. Incredible turnaround
for this Seahawks.
Speaker 5 (01:43):
D Well, it was really remarkable. And I think that
it wasn't just the pass rush. It was, as Mike
knows better than anybody, it was the pass rush married
to the coverage. The coverage was just so much better.
I mean, the first sack was after six point two seconds.
He got one at three point four, three point one,
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four point three, three point four. I mean, those that's
plenty of time for the quarterback to get rid of
the ball.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
And those are by the way.
Speaker 5 (02:13):
Official times that the NFL has on those those counts,
and and and yet it was the it was the
detail like for just for example, uh, I'll just go
through one. The first play of the game, the the
Seahawks play a zone coverage where they are they are
rolling to the two receiver side into the boundary that
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Jaguars they go play action, but they they they leak
a back out in the flat. Well, They've got DeMarcus Lawrence.
He what's called peals. Mike knows when the end goes
out to cover the end. That allows the corner Josh
Job to sync underneath the sideline route.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
And then when you.
Speaker 5 (02:56):
See Drake Thomas, he directs the seam route, he's.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Widening, widening, but then he.
Speaker 5 (03:03):
Straightens and gets steep, and then Ernest Jones is buzzing
out to that area. So all of the zone areas
are just perfectly covered at exactly the right time and
it forces Lawrence to Trevor Lawrence to escape the pocket.
On that play, it was a three man rush against
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seven blockers. And just to give you a idea how
rare that is that that was the first time the
Seahawks all year had a pluck. You call it a
minus seven excuse me, minus four deficit. Again, seven blockers
blocking three rushers and they still get a sack out
of it. It's only happened once with the offense and
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one once with the defense. So Micah combined four and
thirty six dropbacks and it's only happened twice all year
the Seahawks get a sack out of it. That's just
one out of seven where the pass rush and the
scheme and the details about where the players were all
in sync to create to create those sacks.
Speaker 6 (04:07):
Yeah, coach, I mean I'm gonna ask kind of a
defense of one of you too. I mean, coming off
of that Buccaneers loss where you know, Baker Mayfield kind
of had his way, both quarterbacks had their way, there
was some questionable tackles or lack thereof h I mean,
did you see a highly motivated defense something that maybe
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they had gotten maybe yelled at a little bit. Would
you have been yelling at him a little bit and
did it look like they had responded in that way?
Speaker 4 (04:37):
Well, I think that's exactly what happened. I think Mike
looked at what had happened against Tampa and he had
to make some corrections and he had to be forceful
with it. And then a couple that with the fact
that he had a lot of really good players sitting
sitting out they couldn't play. Yeah, so the challenge he
challenged you. You know this, He challenged them big time
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on defense, and they played. They played that way, and
then later on we can talk about it some more.
But I was little just you know, looking at the
other side of the ball, Trevor Lawrence. There was a
lot of times and you would know this because the
way he studies this stuff on the coverages, and he
mentioned how good the coverages were. He didn't get the
ball off on time a lot. He held the ball
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a lot. Now I couldn't see what was happening down
the field, but I put a little bit of that
on him, you know, on the quarterback, and I hadn't
seen him play very much. But the Seahawks clearly we're
doing some great things on defense to prevent him from
throwing the ball on time.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
M h.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
Well, I think that there's also, you know, just in
my notes trying to say, Okay, what are some common
themes from it, Mike. A lot of stunts, right, a
lot of te stunts, And I think they did a
good job of having contain and when you get into
those long yardist situations. They had sacks on three sacks
on third downs, third and eight, third and nine, and
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third and eleven. That allows you, uh, on guys to
to Mike knows this obviously, but you can put defensive
end type people in at the defensive tackle. You can
put DeMarcus Lawrence inside and and let him rush. Boy
Mafe was a defensive tackle on a third and long.
And so what you get four defensive end type guys.
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Now you have all that twitch. They can run stunts,
they can do their crisscross, their et and te stunts.
And then the inside guy has the contain, but he's
athletic enough to keep the quarterback in the pocket. So
I think that the stunts and and and then mentioning
DeMarcus Lawrence, man, that's as fast as I've seen him play.
He looked like a linebacker. I don't know how he
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lost weight or whatever, but I literally looked up his
Wikipedia page to say, is this dude from Jacksonville? Like,
was he playing from in front of a bunch of family?
He was saying, playing so quick? So Mike Holmgrin just
told you, uh, the head coach challenged him, And there's
evidence all of the tape of those guys just playing
at another level emotionally, Yeah, it might.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Have required coach a little bit of triggeration, like different looks.
Maybe Mike McDonald accepted as a challenge. But you lose
that much talent in your defensive secondary and yet you
come up with a scheme that is confusing a quarterback
that was having a pretty good year until yesterday. I mean,
I don't know if that ever happened in your time
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where you lost three receivers and you're like, wait till
you see what I come up with this week.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
No, I think you give him a lot of credit
for that, because that is a tough thing to do.
And normally speaking, you don't win the game by how
they won it. You win it some other way. Because Lawrence,
you know, now I haven't seen again, I haven't seen
him play a lot, but he looked he looked confused
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at times, he looked like he was holding the ball
too long in my opinion, But going to you know,
I mean to give this Seawks credit, their young guys
credit who had to play, and give Mike McDonald credit
for getting them ready, because I think that's exactly what happened.
Speaker 5 (08:07):
Mike I think if you watched the coaches tape with me,
I think we would have a lot of common ground
on this essentially all common ground. I think we would
come away when we say, hey, we got to tell
our KGr listeners that they were just that good in coverage.
I mean, they did play, they were doing a lot.
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There was it was like an Applebee's menu or a
Chile's menu, you know, like there's eleven pages.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
There was a.
Speaker 5 (08:35):
Lot of stuff. If I'm CJ. Stroud and I'm preparing
for the next game, and I watched the game, I'm saying, well,
this is gonna be a long week because I got
to do a lot of processing about what these guys do,
meaning the Seahawks, And they played a lot of different coverages.
They played zone on half the field, man on another.
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They were robbing down in zones, disguising coverages, and they
were just a lot better at like all the mistakes
that they made a week ago. They were just air tight.
And so I I think if you were grading Lawrence
with me, uh and and and I was working under
you on the staff, and you were you were as
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head coach or you were offensive coordinator, and I was
under you, as a as the quarterback coach. I think
I think my report would be what your report would be,
is like, there wasn't a lot there for him, and
and you credit Seattle on it, and so you know
that's that was kind of my Was there opportunity, sir,
There's always opportunities, but I just thought that there was
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a lot thrown at him from a scheme standpoint. They
protected those those the the young guys, you know, and
and Shack. You know, Griff Griffin is not a young guy,
but he moved. He's an old guy and he moves
like an old guy, so they did things to protect him.
I thought it was just a wonderful. It's one of
the reasons why I just absolutely have the highest respect
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for Mike McDonalds as a defensive coach. He has an
image of how it's got to be played and he
teaches it and yesterday was an example.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (10:12):
Well, I mean, I'll go back to Hugh on one,
just simply kind of around all of the homework that
you did.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
I'm sure you did it on the other side too.
Speaker 6 (10:19):
Coming into this, a lot of talk about the Jags
and the fact that you know there were four and
one and how physical and how good their defense and
their secondary in particular it was. And yet Sam Donald
went out there for a second week in a row
and looked really good against a team that apparently had
been really good at taking the ball away and making
a tight windows. So was there something you saw on
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that side that was good and Sam Donald was just
better or was it that a little bit over overblown.
Speaker 5 (10:48):
I think Sam Donald is playing at a very elite
level in multiple ways. I think that there was some
some new wrinkles there's there was there was a shake
route for example we haven't seen, which is Mike knows
is a post corner, and you see JSN has this
beautiful low center of gravity and he's just he's wonderful
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at that they got a twenty yarder and an eighteen
yard or the post route for the touchdown that he
walks out there. I love Marshall Eth where former teammates
we talk. He calls me sometimes to talk coverage to
get he he misdiagnosed that on the on the cover.
He was blaming it on on the safety. The corner's
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got to have that ball. It's a new it was
a new corner just came in the game. And you
go play action for Sam Darnold turns us back on
the defense. That's a cover four defense, four deep across.
You got to know where those look turn and locate
and off one hitch. He just walks it out there.
The touchdown pass uh to Cooper Cup coach Homgren. My god,
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the anticipation. It's a cover zero and by the way,
I just have to get this out aj Barner on
that play, it's a cover zero with a He has
to block Josh heinz Allen, their number one guy. Josh
Allen's Josh heinz Allen. You probably don't know the name
unless you're really He's their defensive end. He's the second
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highest cap number on the Jaguars, next to Trevor Lawrence
at fifteen to four point four million. He's got more
than the Seahawks Number one is fifteen million. Even at
Leonard Williams, he's higher than the Seahawks highest guy. So
whatever you think of Leonard Williams, that's what the Jaguars
think of heinz Allen. You got to have the tight
end blocking, but the anticipation with with Sam Darnold throwing
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from a well and throwing it out the perfect ball
placement on that touchdown to cup and then and then
So those are some of the throws. But even I'll
close with this and let Mike Homgren respond. The thirty
third team asked me to present Tannembaum asked me to
present on sacks. And you know, when you're presenting to
Bill holding In and all and all these multiple former
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head coaches, you better be air tight. And one of
the things that I pointed out on that is two years,
at the last two years that Tom Brady played, he
had the lowest sack rate in the NFL, and in
each of those two years, Justin Fields had the highest.
And one of the things about Brady is he'll have
a concept to his left or his right, a three
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man concept, but if any if anybody flashes in his
vision where there's pressure, he doesn't have the impulse to
run or move at all. He just knows exactly where
his checkdown was. And yesterday there was a play mic
where Sam Darnold was looking off to his left. He
had he was trying to work the concept that wasn't
come and open. Somebody flashes in front. He immediately like
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like just like a little dart thrower in a bar.
He knows exactly he's got. I got Sharbonnay in the
B gap on my on the opposite side, and and
he didn't even look. He knew he was there and
and had he had any hesitation, that's a sack. But
he knew exactly where his outlet was. And I even
I literally put on my notes that was Tom Brady
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esque in terms of finding his checkdown. So he's doing
it all.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
Yeah, I mean, that's what that's what happens. And I
I'd like Sam from the beginning, and I think he's
having a great years off to a great start, and
he's very you know, for your for the team to
do what we hope they do, he has to play well.
And you know, I go back to when we had
Steve young uh and Steve in the beginning. He's such
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a good runner that he I've talked about this before.
He would answer pressure like that with running before he
dropped the ball off. And I think that's comes with experience,
it comes with having success doing it. But Brady, you know,
was the best at it. And you know, as a quarterback,
you have to understand that that's how you have to
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play the game. You know, the great runners and the
guys we see now, you know, Lamar Jackson, all these guys,
they're great runners. But but the one you get stuck
and you have to be able to dump the ball
off and get rid of it.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
Coach, you can only have one that's a game Softy
likes to play. You can either have Sam Darnold's bomb
touchdown to JSN or his touchdown pass to Cooper Cup.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Which one was more beautiful?
Speaker 4 (15:15):
Well, I think the Cooper Cup was really really tight.
I mean the long ball, and you know, is this
better than anybody? The long ball you kind of see
the guy and you practice that a lot forty yards
down the field. Boom, good, good trajectory, okay, and that
throws a little bit easier. I think even though it's longer.
You know, that one to Cooper Cup was brilliant. It
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was beautiful.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
What about you, Hugh, I'll go with him.
Speaker 5 (15:40):
I think the degree of difficulty, if you just say
how many guys can complete those balls? I think they're both,
you know, difficult throws. But I think that the degree
of precision quarterbacking on the Cup throw, when considered Charles
Cross was in his lap. A. J. Barnard was doing
a hell of a job. I do commend him, but
he was kind of in his lap. But the if
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you just if you just pause the tape as I did,
when his hands break, meaning when his hands separate and
his that's an indicator that his brain says, Okay, green
light go, I'm throwing. I know the spot. Well, that's
where Cup was has his back numbers to you. He's
still running up the field. So Donald has to calculate, Okay,
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now he's gonna break to the side and he's tightly covered.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
I gotta put it.
Speaker 5 (16:26):
And then when you watch the end zone copy mic,
it was like he hit the target the size of a.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Coffee mug, like like like Cooper Cup.
Speaker 5 (16:34):
If you said, Coop, show me exactly where you want
the ball, like like down to the inch, he'd say, well, ideal,
I'd want it right here, and he would freeze his
hand right there. Well, of course he's moving full speed
and that's exactly where Donald did it.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Well impressive, Sam Darnold. Another great night Seahawks went at
twenty to twelve. We got a lot more ground to cover.
We got to talk about JSN. Certainly, we got to
go back to the defense. I can't wait to see
Mike McDonald's Cheesecake Factory game plan that.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
He's got scheduled for somebody down the line.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
You want to talk about complicated, You want to talk
about pages and pages and pages. Wait till he Wait
till he hits the forty nine ers later this year.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
With his Cheesecake Factory defensive game plan.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
So we got a lot more to do here on
this one hour episode of Monday Morning Quarterback with Hugh
Millen and Mike Holmgren Sports Radio ninety three point three
kJ r F kJ R FM.
Speaker 5 (17:30):
As Donald sutch to throw and folding one down the middle,
that's checkbo touchdown.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Seahawks Chris Myers on the call yesterday, Jackson.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
The way he said it, Yeah, maybe that's really hard.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
Has another big game, and everybody that calls one of
his games for the first time, I think ends up
being surprised at.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
How good he is.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
He was targeted thirteen out of twenty four targets yesterday,
which we've complained about a little bit in the past
that maybe Sam's not spread the ball around the field enough.
But man, when you're making plays like that, eight catches,
one hundred and sixty two yards in a touchdown for
JSN yesterday and a twenty to twelve win over the
Jacksonville Jaguars. It's Monday Morning Quarterback with Hugh Millon Mike
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Holmgren joining us coach. I'll start with you this segment.
I mean, you coached the greatest wide receiver of all time,
and there is no dispute at who that is is
Jerry Rai. So we're certainly not going to compare him
to number eighty. But how good is JSN becoming right
before our eyes?
Speaker 4 (18:40):
You know, he is really good, you know, and he's
you know, that's not totally surprising, I don't think. But
I always look at his size just a little bit.
You know, he's not the biggest guy in the world.
But how he catches the ball, how fluid he is,
how he puts it away, how he's open, He understands
the game, he understands where he go and young and
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so you put all that stuff together and you say,
I've got something really special here for a long time.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Hugh about his relationship with Sam Darnold. I don't know,
maybe he's.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
Targeting him too much, but man, it would be just
so irresistible to look Eleven's way every.
Speaker 5 (19:15):
Single snap for goodness sake. Yeah, I think that they're
making a mistake. I think they need to get Hortony
and involved more and Cup more. And I think Elija Royo.
I think that at some point they're going to face
somebody's going to travel a really stud receiver on him,
you know, just roll on him every time. Don't allow
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him that free access. And I think that they just
be a better offense if they did that. But for
Jsn's part, I look, look, he has all the attributes
other than the size and the elite top end speed,
but when you see him in person, he's really low cut.
He's got relative for his six', one you, KNOW i
would say mid. Size he's not a really bitty, guy
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but he's got short leg and his center of. Gravity
uh it it allows him to be so quick in
and out of those brakes and And mike that That
i'm describing the shake route uh against cover. Three the corners, guys,
Uh chuck And. Buck the corners are are essentially in
man and man on a vertical route in that particular.
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Zone so when WHEN jsn comes up on these guys
and he breaks to the, post they have to turn
their hips and mirror him to the.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Post but he is.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
So freaking quick at dropping his weight and benbam like
a sewing machine his feeder and then he accelerates the.
Sideline then he has elite ball, skills, uh you, Know
and and and the slant. Route there's a slant route
that he had against what they. Tried they rolled the
cover and the, said all, right we're gonna double cover
him on this. One we're gonna go. Zone it's To
Sam donald's. Left there's what's called cloud the corners in the,
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flat the safety's over the. Top All Sam donald has
to do is hold the next inside, linebacker the inside
linebacker with his eyes and then hit that window between
the corner and the. Linebacker So darnold holds him with
his eyes and boom and then the perfect ball. Placement But,
jaysn you, know.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
He knows he.
Speaker 5 (21:11):
Can you just trust him that he.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Can he.
Speaker 5 (21:13):
Can whatever the ball, placement he can go get it
because he has such elite tracking in. Hands so there's
so many skills that they're exploiting with this.
Speaker 6 (21:21):
Guy, Uh i'm gonna. Coach is there a part of
you where they're going to HIM a ton right. Now
and then yesterday you saw as the game went on
then there was a couple of strikes there To Cooper.
CUP i mean when you were doing this with you,
know whether It's Jerry, rice whoever was, there teamed with,
him the opposite guy of, him where you're, Like, OKAY
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i see this coming where MAYBE i don't want it
to be a mistake Like hugh was talking, about and
So i'm gonna have to kind of set this up
WHERE i go TO jsn and then start Telling sam
to look to another guy because they're gonna try to
take him.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
Away you know WHAT i. DON'T i don't think So.
BUCK i think. THAT i think when you go in
and you have preparation for the get the quarterback ready to,
play you, know you call the. Play this is the.
Play he knows where everyone's going to, be and then
he after he takes a snap from center and the
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secondary does what they do that sets up your progression
and where you're going to go and why you're going to.
Go you might call a play things on my, list you,
know For Sterling, sharp For Jerry, rice or For Robert
brooks whoever, was and Then i'd call that play thinking
that's WHO i want to get the ball, too because
this is WHAT i think the coverage is going to.
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Be but then they don't run that, coverage SO i
expect the quarterback to make the adjustment and throw it someplace.
Else you're what's kind of cool about this is that
going into the, game they know that this is the.
Guy the other team, Knows, okay this is the. Guy
we got to do something about. It and clearly yesterday
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they could they could, not and so you got to, Say,
okay they got something special. Going BUT i don't think
you're going with the. Idea, Okay i'm calling this play
throw it to. Him you, know you might say because
of the play that you, know, yeah that's Where i'd
like you to throw, it but let's get it to
the open. Guy.
Speaker 5 (23:17):
Mike there was a play that where it struck me, like,
LOOK i love the connection they, Have like who would?
Complain i'm just kind of like, Thinking, okay what is
this strategy that maximize your absolute offensive? Potential and when
they threw the tunnel screen out there do TO jsn
with the lineman leading, ahead, guys that was one WHERE
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i thought you could you could throw that To Tory,
horton so that he's involved and they know that fifteen
is might get the ball thrown to. Him And Tory
horton's a punt, returner so you, know he has an
ability to make things happen in. Space so so that
was a time WHERE i, thought, eh that they just
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gotta they gotta throw a crumb to that, guy not
just for the sake of him and keeping him, involved
but for the defense to know that the ball is
gonna go somewhere else other than.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Eleven.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
No, ABSOLUTELY i, mean you, know and you prepare that,
way Saying, okay they're gonna, cover they're gonna, double or
they're gonna do something for just AND i can get
hold of the ball, HERE i can really take care
of advantage of that and do it that. Way you
actually get him, involved AND i think he'll make a
very good. Point AND i think as they go down the,
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ROAD i think that you're gonna see more of.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
That, YEAH i was gonna ask you this coach for
the end of the. HOUR i think maybe in our
last two minutes of this, segment it's a good time
to kind of slip it in right. HERE i, thought
Once mike McDonald had thirteen players out on the. Field
he should have just sent six more out. There just
go set a, record just get. Called if you're gonna get,
thirteen you might as well have nineteen on the.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Field that's WHAT i. THOUGHT i don't know.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
About, you, well you, know, yeah well you know that
if that had, HAPPENED i don't THINK i could found
the special team teams coach on the. Sideline he was
not going to be anywhere near.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Me.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Thirteen do you ever have thirteen on the?
Speaker 4 (25:07):
Field, no that was. Unusual did you ever.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Win a game going one for twelve on third? Down?
Speaker 4 (25:16):
No that was another. Thing AND i, think you know,
what they're playing a lot of close games and not
scoring a lot of points in games thatt for last
week and they got. Beat, no that was and that's
what they have to work on on defound offense.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
Clearly, yeah it's crazy here that you Know sam could
play that well and then you look at the stats
at the end of the. Game one for twelve on third.
Down that is almost an automatic loss If i'm just
reading the.
Speaker 5 (25:42):
Statue, yeah, Indeed but you know, WHAT i think they
compensated obviously getting big plays early. On we talked about
that's primarily going to come from play play. Action first
game against the forty nine, ers one attempt for twenty one,
yards and yesterday eight attempts one hundred and eighty three
yards on our one hundred and thirty five passer. Rating
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so so they're getting the what the big plays early
on and then and finally on that they're getting to twelve.
Personnel these are the number of yards passing. To that's
one running back and two tight. Ends and this is
gonna read sequence or like like it's as, sending but
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this is actually the. Sequence game number, one this is twelve.
Personnel yard is Production mike four, yards then sixty, three
then ninety, one then one oh, three then one eighty,
seven and yesterday two hundred and fourteen each game more
than the. Previous and and now that that play action
plus the two tight, ends just two receivers getting those
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big plays in the early downs off sets going one
for twelve and.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Third now.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
All, right, YEAH i mean, yeah go, ahead comb, sorry go,
ahead chuck all, Right.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
Coach homer And Hugh millen with us here on the
chucking back in the. Mornings we do have one more.
Segment we're just doing one more. Segment one hour, today
a lot Of American League Championship, series the discussion to have,
today which we'll start again at nine, o'clock but certainly
a great evaluation here of The seahawks twenty twelve win
over The Jacksonville. Jaguars we have one more segment more
(27:16):
to talk about on the defensive side of the.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Ball Next Sports radio ninety three point three kJ.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Rfm go back to process there all the, time AND
i think we nailed our process this. Week AND i
think you know what the challenge is going to keep.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Rolling but folks on.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Our stylid ball and staying composed and, together picking each other, up, play,
play all that type of.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
STUFF i know it sounds sounds.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Cliche their butt don't really care because that's that's how we.
Roll it was impressive seven sacks yesterday for The seahawks,
defense confusing The jaguars Quarterback Trevor lawrence with a lot
of different, looks and a secondary which was pretty much
the second stream secondary With Kobe.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Bryant impressive win for The.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
Hawks they are three to oher on the, road four
and two, overall tied for first place in THE. Nfc
was last after yesterday's twenty twelve win over The Jacksonville.
Jaguars we Are Monday morning quarterbacking this morning for only
an hour today With Mike holmgren And Hugh millan as,
well and this is our final segment together this.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Week, Anyway hugh.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Defensively mike McDonald found his bag of tricks again this,
week and we've already talked about how impressive it was
as a, unit but, individually you Highlighted DeMarcus lawrence. Earlier
Did Byron murphy have his best game as The seahawk
felt to me that? Way and if not, him who
else stepped up for you on the defensive?
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Side?
Speaker 5 (28:47):
YEAH i think his energy was. GOOD i think. THAT
i think he was the beneficiary of some scheme. STUFF
i mean he got a sack with six point two
seconds after the ball was. Snapped there was another The
jacksonville was trying to do what it's called power, pass
where it's a play, action but you're pulling a guard
and so when that guard vacates the area the center
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has to block, out there's more space for the defensive
tackle to, work and so you Saw Biern murphy benefit from.
That there was another time where it was his. Job
as he's lined up over the, guard he goes and
he slams the tackle and then and on a stunt
and then the defensive end is gonna loop. Around well the.
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Tackle now he's got outside leverage and it was very
easy For Bier murphy to get. In SO i think
that's a scheme related. THING i think That Drake thomas
had a play on a sack where he Took Walker,
little the left tackle Of, jacksonville who is listed coming
in the six seven and three eights and three twenty.
(29:52):
Five Drake thomas absolutely threw him like a straw man
at a pumpkin, patch and LIKE i was just stunned
of what he. Did and and and then the last
Guy i'll mention Is nick emn worry that dude has
got like he's. Got he's a long, legged, big good
looking athlete who can really accelerate and so and you
(30:15):
see that he's just learning the, game but he can
be a little bit out of position and then he, goes, oh, Shoot,
Mike i'm a little out of. Position he can get
back into the right position really. Fast so it's it's
fun to watch him on tape because of that beautiful
athleticism but those are some of the guys THAT i,
think in short and in the short time we have
that are worth mentioning from my end.
Speaker 6 (30:37):
Coach i'm gonna ask about Aj. BARNER i, mean he's
starting to put up some decent. Numbers still not heavily,
used and yet he seems to be a kind of
a security, blanket if you, will like a lot of
quarterbacks like to use their tight. End are you seeing
anything that you're really enjoying about?
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Him and how is his?
Speaker 4 (30:55):
Growth, well you, Know, buck you AND i have talked
about this before.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Too.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
WELL i like. Him HE'S i think he's a really
good tight. End he's a good pass. Receiver and to
use point that he mentioned, earlier the idea of getting
the tight end more involved getting him some more. TOUCHES
i think it's a good, thing that's a healthy thing
for your passing. Offense and he can do. IT i,
MEAN i think he's shown he's a big, guy he's,
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tough he can. Block you, know he's a good pass.
RECEIVER i like tight, ends AND i think tight ends
are an important part of your. Offense AND i THINK
i hope they've used him more because he has shown
he can do.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
It, YEAH i think he can do it short and
then sixty one yard catch, Yesterday.
Speaker 5 (31:36):
HUGH i mean there's a lot of versatility to, this. Dude,
Yeah i'd love to Get mike's take on. THIS i
was texting with my, friends Like seahawks have gone into
a conservative mode too early in the fourth. Quarter they're
only up by a, touchdown and there you're running on first,
down running on second, down trying to you, know Let
darnold bail him out on third and, long and as,
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like we got to throw this. Thing and Then, mike
what a beautifully designed play where they faked the bootleg
and guys With jacksonville all all piled up in the
in the front and playing essentially a covered zero behind
it with no safety. Help that means that the Safety
Andrew winguard is going to be one on one with
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uh With, barner and what the safety sees is the
play action Like Sam darnold's gonna run a naked bootleg
out to his left and and that is coupling With
barner's Going adham inside and then breaking out like he's
gonna run to the corner and then going back across
almost like an s route to to use a very
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common uh, uh you, know just a visual, There. Mike
what a call beautiful against that, coverage extremely well. Executed
it was the aggression THAT i thought that they should
have had half a quarter, earlier just to you, know
and it sealed the. Game and and and just what a.
Play of Course, barner you, know did some run after the.
Catch what a cool time for him to.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
Emerge now that's WHY i put on my notes on that.
PLAY i, said great, call because the you, know you
get into that situation and then you are thinking about
the clock and you are, saying, okay if i'd run
a three, DIRECT i can get it down to a certain.
Level we have fuel, position we can stop. Them but
then to come out with a play pass on that
first that was really. Something AND i APPLAUD Clt Clint
(33:27):
kubiak for. That that was a great.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
Call AND i Have Jeene sterotur tell me every week
that there aren't officials that love throwing, Flags but.
Speaker 4 (33:37):
Oh, yeah you know, what give, them give them a
plus for throwing. Flags their arms must be. Sore Holy.
Toledo kathy came in the. ROOM i, Go i'm getting
really mad at the officials. Here i'm getting very.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Upset it Was Clay. Martin screw.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
AGAIN i bring them up at seventeen penalties twenty two.
Yards those are the ones that were. Enforced, oh by the,
Way But gene tells, me he insists coach that they
there aren't crews that love throwing. Flags they just throw
what's what they.
Speaker 4 (34:12):
See and you know, What i've always Liked jeans talked To,
JEAN i, Have we've had good. Conversations but THEN i would, Say,
jeane be, quiet be. Quiet you know this makes no.
Sense AND i know What i'm. Seeing you, KNOW i said,
YESTERDAY i don't know the guy's, name BUT i, GO
i recognize this. Guy he's doing it.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Again thank, you thank. You It's Clay. Martin you'll never
forget his, name, Now, OKAY i got. It, well nice.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
WIN i, mean there was a chance here that that
team's coming back three and three.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
If they don't beat a four and One jacksonville team
on the.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Road but and they don't look like a three and
three team to me at, all The, seahawks and so nice.
Win and they've turned into Road titans Under mike, McDonald
which is. Crazy but this was big going. Forward, well
you mentioned the road part of. IT i do think
that there's a schematic. Part you just watch how they
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communicate on. Defense obviously that's easier on the. ROAD i
think there's something actually tangible. There, well we can explore that,
later but you, KNOW i think there was two times
Under mike McDonald in his young career the seat coach
Where i've just been. Disheartened and one was last year
after The buffalo game The bills won thirty one to.
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Ten they had a four and forty five total, yards
twenty nine first, downs one hundred and sixty four on the.
Speaker 5 (35:35):
GROUND i, Mean seattle couldn't do. Anything i'm, like this
is not. Working and then they fixed. It and then
this preseason you can say why, preseason well this is
important to. Me first, game two hundred and thirty two
air yards on. COMPLETIONS i, Said mike McDonald's not gonna like.
THAT i don't care if it's a four, string if
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they have a seahawk. Helmet he's they go from two
hundred thirty two yards to fifty teen against The chiefs
fifteen are yards and and and that's because he Teaches
mike Is Mike homemgrin has always, said you're a. Teacher,
First mike was a teacher and his ability to teach
and so HAD i had some confidence after That Tampa
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bay that he would find a way to do this
and everything THAT i thought he would, do he did.
It mike and his grasp of being able to change things,
up teach, guys get them to improve in one. Week
we've seen it now multiple times in multiple, ways and
it was it was really something to.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
See, YEAH i, know no question about, it AND i
feel the same. Way and then he did it with
guys who are not his. Starters they were guys who
have not got a lot of practice. TIME i don't
think over the course at the beginning of the. Season
yet he did it with those, guys and that's that
adds another level of impression to.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
Me thank you. Man awesome.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
Stuff we'll get back to doing Normal monday morning quarterback
in the, future but that was a hour packed hour right.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
There appreciate you. Both good to be with. You thank.
Speaker 4 (37:03):
You chuck and The. Murders they're doing pretty.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Good doing pretty, Good, coach doing pretty.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
Good bet you a couple more, wins And kathy won't
be fighting you to watch.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
Baseball she'll actually be leading The. Charter, yeah, NO.
Speaker 4 (37:16):
I, KNOW i know she's you, KNOW i got to
deal with. It fifty four Years i'm still dealing with.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
It Mike, Almgrin Hugh, Millan, minday morning quarterback right here
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Now the Monday Morning Quarterback with Mike holm Grin and
Hugh Millin.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Here's Chuck and Buck.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Hi, Yes, Chuck Pouw, Buggy, Jacobson, Ashley Ryan with you.
Monday Morning Quarterback always comes away from eight to ten.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Today just eight to nine.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
So we are combining the awesome forces of Hugh Millen
and Mike Holmgren together in this eight to nine hour
to talk some Seahawks football here on Chuck and Buck
Sports Radio ninety three point three kJ RFM.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
Good morning, Man, Good morning, Good morning, Chucks, Good morning.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
All Right, we got a win to talk about, and
there's there's some great stuff to discuss from this twenty
to twelve win over the Jacksonville Jaguars. You I'm actually
going to start with you because last week we spent
a lot of time talking about where did Mike McDonald's
pass rush go? And then all of a sudden yesterday
a guy that had been sacked six times all season
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long get sacked seven times by this defense. Incredible turnaround
for this Seahawks.
Speaker 5 (01:43):
D Well, it was really remarkable. And I think that
it wasn't just the pass rush. It was, as Mike
knows better than anybody, it was the pass rush married
to the coverage. The coverage was just so much better.
I mean, the first sack was after six point two seconds.
He got one at three point four, three point one,
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four point three, three point four. I mean, those that's
plenty of time for the quarterback to get rid of
the ball.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
And those are by the way.
Speaker 5 (02:13):
Official times that the NFL has on those those counts,
and and and yet it was the it was the
detail like for just for example, uh, I'll just go
through one. The first play of the game, the the
Seahawks play a zone coverage where they are they are
rolling to the two receiver side into the boundary that
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Jaguars they go play action, but they they they leak
a back out in the flat. Well, They've got DeMarcus Lawrence.
He what's called peals. Mike knows when the end goes
out to cover the end. That allows the corner Josh
Job to sync underneath the sideline route.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
And then when you.
Speaker 5 (02:56):
See Drake Thomas, he directs the seam route, he's.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Widening, widening, but then he.
Speaker 5 (03:03):
Straightens and gets steep, and then Ernest Jones is buzzing
out to that area. So all of the zone areas
are just perfectly covered at exactly the right time and
it forces Lawrence to Trevor Lawrence to escape the pocket.
On that play, it was a three man rush against
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seven blockers. And just to give you a idea how
rare that is that that was the first time the
Seahawks all year had a pluck. You call it a
minus seven excuse me, minus four deficit. Again, seven blockers
blocking three rushers and they still get a sack out
of it. It's only happened once with the offense and
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one once with the defense. So Micah combined four and
thirty six dropbacks and it's only happened twice all year
the Seahawks get a sack out of it. That's just
one out of seven where the pass rush and the
scheme and the details about where the players were all
in sync to create to create those sacks.
Speaker 6 (04:07):
Yeah, coach, I mean I'm gonna ask kind of a
defense of one of you too. I mean, coming off
of that Buccaneers loss where you know, Baker Mayfield kind
of had his way, both quarterbacks had their way, there
was some questionable tackles or lack thereof h I mean,
did you see a highly motivated defense something that maybe
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they had gotten maybe yelled at a little bit. Would
you have been yelling at him a little bit and
did it look like they had responded in that way?
Speaker 4 (04:37):
Well, I think that's exactly what happened. I think Mike
looked at what had happened against Tampa and he had
to make some corrections and he had to be forceful
with it. And then a couple that with the fact
that he had a lot of really good players sitting
sitting out they couldn't play. Yeah, so the challenge he
challenged you. You know this, He challenged them big time
(04:58):
on defense, and they played. They played that way, and
then later on we can talk about it some more.
But I was little just you know, looking at the
other side of the ball, Trevor Lawrence. There was a
lot of times and you would know this because the
way he studies this stuff on the coverages, and he
mentioned how good the coverages were. He didn't get the
ball off on time a lot. He held the ball
(05:19):
a lot. Now I couldn't see what was happening down
the field, but I put a little bit of that
on him, you know, on the quarterback, and I hadn't
seen him play very much. But the Seahawks clearly we're
doing some great things on defense to prevent him from
throwing the ball on time.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
M h.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
Well, I think that there's also, you know, just in
my notes trying to say, Okay, what are some common
themes from it, Mike. A lot of stunts, right, a
lot of te stunts, And I think they did a
good job of having contain and when you get into
those long yardist situations. They had sacks on three sacks
on third downs, third and eight, third and nine, and
(05:58):
third and eleven. That allows you, uh, on guys to
to Mike knows this obviously, but you can put defensive
end type people in at the defensive tackle. You can
put DeMarcus Lawrence inside and and let him rush. Boy
Mafe was a defensive tackle on a third and long.
And so what you get four defensive end type guys.
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Now you have all that twitch. They can run stunts,
they can do their crisscross, their et and te stunts.
And then the inside guy has the contain, but he's
athletic enough to keep the quarterback in the pocket. So
I think that the stunts and and and then mentioning
DeMarcus Lawrence, man, that's as fast as I've seen him play.
He looked like a linebacker. I don't know how he
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lost weight or whatever, but I literally looked up his
Wikipedia page to say, is this dude from Jacksonville? Like,
was he playing from in front of a bunch of family?
He was saying, playing so quick? So Mike Holmgrin just
told you, uh, the head coach challenged him, And there's
evidence all of the tape of those guys just playing
at another level emotionally, Yeah, it might.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Have required coach a little bit of triggeration, like different looks.
Maybe Mike McDonald accepted as a challenge. But you lose
that much talent in your defensive secondary and yet you
come up with a scheme that is confusing a quarterback
that was having a pretty good year until yesterday. I mean,
I don't know if that ever happened in your time
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where you lost three receivers and you're like, wait till
you see what I come up with this week.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
No, I think you give him a lot of credit
for that, because that is a tough thing to do.
And normally speaking, you don't win the game by how
they won it. You win it some other way. Because Lawrence,
you know, now I haven't seen again, I haven't seen
him play a lot, but he looked he looked confused
(07:51):
at times, he looked like he was holding the ball
too long in my opinion, But going to you know,
I mean to give this Seawks credit, their young guys
credit who had to play, and give Mike McDonald credit
for getting them ready, because I think that's exactly what happened.
Speaker 5 (08:07):
Mike I think if you watched the coaches tape with me,
I think we would have a lot of common ground
on this essentially all common ground. I think we would
come away when we say, hey, we got to tell
our KGr listeners that they were just that good in coverage.
I mean, they did play, they were doing a lot.
(08:27):
There was it was like an Applebee's menu or a
Chile's menu, you know, like there's eleven pages.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
There was a.
Speaker 5 (08:35):
Lot of stuff. If I'm CJ. Stroud and I'm preparing
for the next game, and I watched the game, I'm saying, well,
this is gonna be a long week because I got
to do a lot of processing about what these guys do,
meaning the Seahawks, And they played a lot of different coverages.
They played zone on half the field, man on another.
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They were robbing down in zones, disguising coverages, and they
were just a lot better at like all the mistakes
that they made a week ago. They were just air tight.
And so I I think if you were grading Lawrence
with me, uh and and and I was working under
you on the staff, and you were you were as
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head coach or you were offensive coordinator, and I was
under you, as a as the quarterback coach. I think
I think my report would be what your report would be,
is like, there wasn't a lot there for him, and
and you credit Seattle on it, and so you know
that's that was kind of my Was there opportunity, sir,
There's always opportunities, but I just thought that there was
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a lot thrown at him from a scheme standpoint. They
protected those those the the young guys, you know, and
and Shack. You know, Griff Griffin is not a young guy,
but he moved. He's an old guy and he moves
like an old guy, so they did things to protect him.
I thought it was just a wonderful. It's one of
the reasons why I just absolutely have the highest respect
(10:02):
for Mike McDonalds as a defensive coach. He has an
image of how it's got to be played and he
teaches it and yesterday was an example.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (10:12):
Well, I mean, I'll go back to Hugh on one,
just simply kind of around all of the homework that
you did.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
I'm sure you did it on the other side too.
Speaker 6 (10:19):
Coming into this, a lot of talk about the Jags
and the fact that you know there were four and
one and how physical and how good their defense and
their secondary in particular it was. And yet Sam Donald
went out there for a second week in a row
and looked really good against a team that apparently had
been really good at taking the ball away and making
a tight windows. So was there something you saw on
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that side that was good and Sam Donald was just
better or was it that a little bit over overblown.
Speaker 5 (10:48):
I think Sam Donald is playing at a very elite
level in multiple ways. I think that there was some
some new wrinkles there's there was there was a shake
route for example we haven't seen, which is Mike knows
is a post corner, and you see JSN has this
beautiful low center of gravity and he's just he's wonderful
(11:11):
at that they got a twenty yarder and an eighteen
yard or the post route for the touchdown that he
walks out there. I love Marshall Eth where former teammates
we talk. He calls me sometimes to talk coverage to
get he he misdiagnosed that on the on the cover.
He was blaming it on on the safety. The corner's
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got to have that ball. It's a new it was
a new corner just came in the game. And you
go play action for Sam Darnold turns us back on
the defense. That's a cover four defense, four deep across.
You got to know where those look turn and locate
and off one hitch. He just walks it out there.
The touchdown pass uh to Cooper Cup coach Homgren. My god,
(11:54):
the anticipation. It's a cover zero and by the way,
I just have to get this out aj Barner on
that play, it's a cover zero with a He has
to block Josh heinz Allen, their number one guy. Josh
Allen's Josh heinz Allen. You probably don't know the name
unless you're really He's their defensive end. He's the second
(12:15):
highest cap number on the Jaguars, next to Trevor Lawrence
at fifteen to four point four million. He's got more
than the Seahawks Number one is fifteen million. Even at
Leonard Williams, he's higher than the Seahawks highest guy. So
whatever you think of Leonard Williams, that's what the Jaguars
think of heinz Allen. You got to have the tight
end blocking, but the anticipation with with Sam Darnold throwing
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from a well and throwing it out the perfect ball
placement on that touchdown to cup and then and then
So those are some of the throws. But even I'll
close with this and let Mike Homgren respond. The thirty
third team asked me to present Tannembaum asked me to
present on sacks. And you know, when you're presenting to
Bill holding In and all and all these multiple former
(13:02):
head coaches, you better be air tight. And one of
the things that I pointed out on that is two years,
at the last two years that Tom Brady played, he
had the lowest sack rate in the NFL, and in
each of those two years, Justin Fields had the highest.
And one of the things about Brady is he'll have
a concept to his left or his right, a three
(13:22):
man concept, but if any if anybody flashes in his
vision where there's pressure, he doesn't have the impulse to
run or move at all. He just knows exactly where
his checkdown was. And yesterday there was a play mic
where Sam Darnold was looking off to his left. He
had he was trying to work the concept that wasn't
come and open. Somebody flashes in front. He immediately like
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like just like a little dart thrower in a bar.
He knows exactly he's got. I got Sharbonnay in the
B gap on my on the opposite side, and and
he didn't even look. He knew he was there and
and had he had any hesitation, that's a sack. But
he knew exactly where his outlet was. And I even
I literally put on my notes that was Tom Brady
(14:05):
esque in terms of finding his checkdown. So he's doing
it all.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
Yeah, I mean, that's what that's what happens. And I
I'd like Sam from the beginning, and I think he's
having a great years off to a great start, and
he's very you know, for your for the team to
do what we hope they do, he has to play well.
And you know, I go back to when we had
Steve young uh and Steve in the beginning. He's such
(14:29):
a good runner that he I've talked about this before.
He would answer pressure like that with running before he
dropped the ball off. And I think that's comes with experience,
it comes with having success doing it. But Brady, you know,
was the best at it. And you know, as a quarterback,
you have to understand that that's how you have to
(14:50):
play the game. You know, the great runners and the
guys we see now, you know, Lamar Jackson, all these guys,
they're great runners. But but the one you get stuck
and you have to be able to dump the ball
off and get rid of it.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
Coach, you can only have one that's a game Softy
likes to play. You can either have Sam Darnold's bomb
touchdown to JSN or his touchdown pass to Cooper Cup.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Which one was more beautiful?
Speaker 4 (15:15):
Well, I think the Cooper Cup was really really tight.
I mean the long ball, and you know, is this
better than anybody? The long ball you kind of see
the guy and you practice that a lot forty yards
down the field. Boom, good, good trajectory, okay, and that
throws a little bit easier. I think even though it's longer.
You know, that one to Cooper Cup was brilliant. It
(15:36):
was beautiful.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
What about you, Hugh, I'll go with him.
Speaker 5 (15:40):
I think the degree of difficulty, if you just say
how many guys can complete those balls? I think they're both,
you know, difficult throws. But I think that the degree
of precision quarterbacking on the Cup throw, when considered Charles
Cross was in his lap. A. J. Barnard was doing
a hell of a job. I do commend him, but
he was kind of in his lap. But the if
(16:00):
you just if you just pause the tape as I did,
when his hands break, meaning when his hands separate and
his that's an indicator that his brain says, Okay, green
light go, I'm throwing. I know the spot. Well, that's
where Cup was has his back numbers to you. He's
still running up the field. So Donald has to calculate, Okay,
(16:21):
now he's gonna break to the side and he's tightly covered.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
I gotta put it.
Speaker 5 (16:26):
And then when you watch the end zone copy mic,
it was like he hit the target the size of a.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Coffee mug, like like like Cooper Cup.
Speaker 5 (16:34):
If you said, Coop, show me exactly where you want
the ball, like like down to the inch, he'd say, well, ideal,
I'd want it right here, and he would freeze his
hand right there. Well, of course he's moving full speed
and that's exactly where Donald did it.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Well impressive, Sam Darnold. Another great night Seahawks went at
twenty to twelve. We got a lot more ground to cover.
We got to talk about JSN. Certainly, we got to
go back to the defense. I can't wait to see
Mike McDonald's Cheesecake Factory game plan that.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
He's got scheduled for somebody down the line.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
You want to talk about complicated, You want to talk
about pages and pages and pages. Wait till he Wait
till he hits the forty nine ers later this year.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
With his Cheesecake Factory defensive game plan.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
So we got a lot more to do here on
this one hour episode of Monday Morning Quarterback with Hugh
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Speaker 5 (17:30):
As Donald sutch to throw and folding one down the middle,
that's checkbo touchdown.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Seahawks Chris Myers on the call yesterday, Jackson.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
The way he said it, Yeah, maybe that's really hard.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
Has another big game, and everybody that calls one of
his games for the first time, I think ends up
being surprised at.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
How good he is.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
He was targeted thirteen out of twenty four targets yesterday,
which we've complained about a little bit in the past
that maybe Sam's not spread the ball around the field enough.
But man, when you're making plays like that, eight catches,
one hundred and sixty two yards in a touchdown for
JSN yesterday and a twenty to twelve win over the
Jacksonville Jaguars. It's Monday Morning Quarterback with Hugh Millon Mike
(18:21):
Holmgren joining us coach. I'll start with you this segment.
I mean, you coached the greatest wide receiver of all time,
and there is no dispute at who that is is
Jerry Rai. So we're certainly not going to compare him
to number eighty. But how good is JSN becoming right
before our eyes?
Speaker 4 (18:40):
You know, he is really good, you know, and he's
you know, that's not totally surprising, I don't think. But
I always look at his size just a little bit.
You know, he's not the biggest guy in the world.
But how he catches the ball, how fluid he is,
how he puts it away, how he's open, He understands
the game, he understands where he go and young and
(19:01):
so you put all that stuff together and you say,
I've got something really special here for a long time.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Hugh about his relationship with Sam Darnold. I don't know,
maybe he's.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
Targeting him too much, but man, it would be just
so irresistible to look Eleven's way every.
Speaker 5 (19:15):
Single snap for goodness sake. Yeah, I think that they're
making a mistake. I think they need to get Hortony
and involved more and Cup more. And I think Elija Royo.
I think that at some point they're going to face
somebody's going to travel a really stud receiver on him,
you know, just roll on him every time. Don't allow
(19:35):
him that free access. And I think that they just
be a better offense if they did that. But for
Jsn's part, I look, look, he has all the attributes
other than the size and the elite top end speed,
but when you see him in person, he's really low cut.
He's got relative for his six', one you, KNOW i
would say mid. Size he's not a really bitty, guy
(19:58):
but he's got short leg and his center of. Gravity
uh it it allows him to be so quick in
and out of those brakes and And mike that That
i'm describing the shake route uh against cover. Three the corners, guys,
Uh chuck And. Buck the corners are are essentially in
man and man on a vertical route in that particular.
(20:19):
Zone so when WHEN jsn comes up on these guys
and he breaks to the, post they have to turn
their hips and mirror him to the.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Post but he is.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
So freaking quick at dropping his weight and benbam like
a sewing machine his feeder and then he accelerates the.
Sideline then he has elite ball, skills, uh you, Know
and and and the slant. Route there's a slant route
that he had against what they. Tried they rolled the
cover and the, said all, right we're gonna double cover
him on this. One we're gonna go. Zone it's To
Sam donald's. Left there's what's called cloud the corners in the,
(20:53):
flat the safety's over the. Top All Sam donald has
to do is hold the next inside, linebacker the inside
linebacker with his eyes and then hit that window between
the corner and the. Linebacker So darnold holds him with
his eyes and boom and then the perfect ball. Placement But,
jaysn you, know.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
He knows he.
Speaker 5 (21:11):
Can you just trust him that he.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Can he.
Speaker 5 (21:13):
Can whatever the ball, placement he can go get it
because he has such elite tracking in. Hands so there's
so many skills that they're exploiting with this.
Speaker 6 (21:21):
Guy, Uh i'm gonna. Coach is there a part of
you where they're going to HIM a ton right. Now
and then yesterday you saw as the game went on
then there was a couple of strikes there To Cooper.
CUP i mean when you were doing this with you,
know whether It's Jerry, rice whoever was, there teamed with,
him the opposite guy of, him where you're, Like, OKAY
(21:42):
i see this coming where MAYBE i don't want it
to be a mistake Like hugh was talking, about and
So i'm gonna have to kind of set this up
WHERE i go TO jsn and then start Telling sam
to look to another guy because they're gonna try to
take him.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
Away you know WHAT i. DON'T i don't think So.
BUCK i think. THAT i think when you go in
and you have preparation for the get the quarterback ready to,
play you, know you call the. Play this is the.
Play he knows where everyone's going to, be and then
he after he takes a snap from center and the
(22:16):
secondary does what they do that sets up your progression
and where you're going to go and why you're going to.
Go you might call a play things on my, list you,
know For Sterling, sharp For Jerry, rice or For Robert
brooks whoever, was and Then i'd call that play thinking
that's WHO i want to get the ball, too because
this is WHAT i think the coverage is going to.
(22:38):
Be but then they don't run that, coverage SO i
expect the quarterback to make the adjustment and throw it someplace.
Else you're what's kind of cool about this is that
going into the, game they know that this is the.
Guy the other team, Knows, okay this is the. Guy
we got to do something about. It and clearly yesterday
(22:59):
they could they could, not and so you got to, Say,
okay they got something special. Going BUT i don't think
you're going with the. Idea, Okay i'm calling this play
throw it to. Him you, know you might say because
of the play that you, know, yeah that's Where i'd
like you to throw, it but let's get it to
the open. Guy.
Speaker 5 (23:17):
Mike there was a play that where it struck me, like,
LOOK i love the connection they, Have like who would?
Complain i'm just kind of like, Thinking, okay what is
this strategy that maximize your absolute offensive? Potential and when
they threw the tunnel screen out there do TO jsn
with the lineman leading, ahead, guys that was one WHERE
(23:41):
i thought you could you could throw that To Tory,
horton so that he's involved and they know that fifteen
is might get the ball thrown to. Him And Tory
horton's a punt, returner so you, know he has an
ability to make things happen in. Space so so that
was a time WHERE i, thought, eh that they just
(24:01):
gotta they gotta throw a crumb to that, guy not
just for the sake of him and keeping him, involved
but for the defense to know that the ball is
gonna go somewhere else other than.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Eleven.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
No, ABSOLUTELY i, mean you, know and you prepare that,
way Saying, okay they're gonna, cover they're gonna, double or
they're gonna do something for just AND i can get
hold of the ball, HERE i can really take care
of advantage of that and do it that. Way you
actually get him, involved AND i think he'll make a
very good. Point AND i think as they go down the,
(24:32):
ROAD i think that you're gonna see more of.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
That, YEAH i was gonna ask you this coach for
the end of the. HOUR i think maybe in our
last two minutes of this, segment it's a good time
to kind of slip it in right. HERE i, thought
Once mike McDonald had thirteen players out on the. Field
he should have just sent six more out. There just
go set a, record just get. Called if you're gonna get,
thirteen you might as well have nineteen on the.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Field that's WHAT i. THOUGHT i don't know.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
About, you, well you, know, yeah well you know that
if that had, HAPPENED i don't THINK i could found
the special team teams coach on the. Sideline he was
not going to be anywhere near.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Me.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Thirteen do you ever have thirteen on the?
Speaker 4 (25:07):
Field, no that was. Unusual did you ever.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Win a game going one for twelve on third? Down?
Speaker 4 (25:16):
No that was another. Thing AND i, think you know,
what they're playing a lot of close games and not
scoring a lot of points in games thatt for last
week and they got. Beat, no that was and that's
what they have to work on on defound offense.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
Clearly, yeah it's crazy here that you Know sam could
play that well and then you look at the stats
at the end of the. Game one for twelve on third.
Down that is almost an automatic loss If i'm just
reading the.
Speaker 5 (25:42):
Statue, yeah, Indeed but you know, WHAT i think they
compensated obviously getting big plays early. On we talked about
that's primarily going to come from play play. Action first
game against the forty nine, ers one attempt for twenty one,
yards and yesterday eight attempts one hundred and eighty three
yards on our one hundred and thirty five passer. Rating
(26:04):
so so they're getting the what the big plays early
on and then and finally on that they're getting to twelve.
Personnel these are the number of yards passing. To that's
one running back and two tight. Ends and this is
gonna read sequence or like like it's as, sending but
(26:25):
this is actually the. Sequence game number, one this is twelve.
Personnel yard is Production mike four, yards then sixty, three
then ninety, one then one oh, three then one eighty,
seven and yesterday two hundred and fourteen each game more
than the. Previous and and now that that play action
plus the two tight, ends just two receivers getting those
(26:45):
big plays in the early downs off sets going one
for twelve and.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Third now.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
All, right, YEAH i mean, yeah go, ahead comb, sorry go,
ahead chuck all, Right.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
Coach homer And Hugh millen with us here on the
chucking back in the. Mornings we do have one more.
Segment we're just doing one more. Segment one hour, today
a lot Of American League Championship, series the discussion to have,
today which we'll start again at nine, o'clock but certainly
a great evaluation here of The seahawks twenty twelve win
over The Jacksonville. Jaguars we have one more segment more
(27:16):
to talk about on the defensive side of the.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Ball Next Sports radio ninety three point three kJ.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Rfm go back to process there all the, time AND
i think we nailed our process this. Week AND i
think you know what the challenge is going to keep.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Rolling but folks on.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Our stylid ball and staying composed and, together picking each other, up, play,
play all that type of.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
STUFF i know it sounds sounds.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Cliche their butt don't really care because that's that's how we.
Roll it was impressive seven sacks yesterday for The seahawks,
defense confusing The jaguars Quarterback Trevor lawrence with a lot
of different, looks and a secondary which was pretty much
the second stream secondary With Kobe.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Bryant impressive win for The.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
Hawks they are three to oher on the, road four
and two, overall tied for first place in THE. Nfc
was last after yesterday's twenty twelve win over The Jacksonville.
Jaguars we Are Monday morning quarterbacking this morning for only
an hour today With Mike holmgren And Hugh millan as,
well and this is our final segment together this.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Week, Anyway hugh.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Defensively mike McDonald found his bag of tricks again this,
week and we've already talked about how impressive it was
as a, unit but, individually you Highlighted DeMarcus lawrence. Earlier
Did Byron murphy have his best game as The seahawk
felt to me that? Way and if not, him who
else stepped up for you on the defensive?
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Side?
Speaker 5 (28:47):
YEAH i think his energy was. GOOD i think. THAT
i think he was the beneficiary of some scheme. STUFF
i mean he got a sack with six point two
seconds after the ball was. Snapped there was another The
jacksonville was trying to do what it's called power, pass
where it's a play, action but you're pulling a guard
and so when that guard vacates the area the center
(29:09):
has to block, out there's more space for the defensive
tackle to, work and so you Saw Biern murphy benefit from.
That there was another time where it was his. Job
as he's lined up over the, guard he goes and
he slams the tackle and then and on a stunt
and then the defensive end is gonna loop. Around well the.
(29:31):
Tackle now he's got outside leverage and it was very
easy For Bier murphy to get. In SO i think
that's a scheme related. THING i think That Drake thomas
had a play on a sack where he Took Walker,
little the left tackle Of, jacksonville who is listed coming
in the six seven and three eights and three twenty.
(29:52):
Five Drake thomas absolutely threw him like a straw man
at a pumpkin, patch and LIKE i was just stunned
of what he. Did and and and then the last
Guy i'll mention Is nick emn worry that dude has
got like he's. Got he's a long, legged, big good
looking athlete who can really accelerate and so and you
(30:15):
see that he's just learning the, game but he can
be a little bit out of position and then he, goes, oh, Shoot,
Mike i'm a little out of. Position he can get
back into the right position really. Fast so it's it's
fun to watch him on tape because of that beautiful
athleticism but those are some of the guys THAT i,
think in short and in the short time we have
that are worth mentioning from my end.
Speaker 6 (30:37):
Coach i'm gonna ask about Aj. BARNER i, mean he's
starting to put up some decent. Numbers still not heavily,
used and yet he seems to be a kind of
a security, blanket if you, will like a lot of
quarterbacks like to use their tight. End are you seeing
anything that you're really enjoying about?
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Him and how is his?
Speaker 4 (30:55):
Growth, well you, Know, buck you AND i have talked
about this before.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Too.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
WELL i like. Him HE'S i think he's a really
good tight. End he's a good pass. Receiver and to
use point that he mentioned, earlier the idea of getting
the tight end more involved getting him some more. TOUCHES
i think it's a good, thing that's a healthy thing
for your passing. Offense and he can do. IT i,
MEAN i think he's shown he's a big, guy he's,
(31:20):
tough he can. Block you, know he's a good pass.
RECEIVER i like tight, ends AND i think tight ends
are an important part of your. Offense AND i THINK
i hope they've used him more because he has shown
he can do.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
It, YEAH i think he can do it short and
then sixty one yard catch, Yesterday.
Speaker 5 (31:36):
HUGH i mean there's a lot of versatility to, this. Dude,
Yeah i'd love to Get mike's take on. THIS i
was texting with my, friends Like seahawks have gone into
a conservative mode too early in the fourth. Quarter they're
only up by a, touchdown and there you're running on first,
down running on second, down trying to you, know Let
darnold bail him out on third and, long and as,
(31:57):
like we got to throw this. Thing and Then, mike
what a beautifully designed play where they faked the bootleg
and guys With jacksonville all all piled up in the
in the front and playing essentially a covered zero behind
it with no safety. Help that means that the Safety
Andrew winguard is going to be one on one with
(32:19):
uh With, barner and what the safety sees is the
play action Like Sam darnold's gonna run a naked bootleg
out to his left and and that is coupling With
barner's Going adham inside and then breaking out like he's
gonna run to the corner and then going back across
almost like an s route to to use a very
(32:42):
common uh, uh you, know just a visual, There. Mike
what a call beautiful against that, coverage extremely well. Executed
it was the aggression THAT i thought that they should
have had half a quarter, earlier just to you, know
and it sealed the. Game and and and just what a.
Play of Course, barner you, know did some run after the.
Catch what a cool time for him to.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
Emerge now that's WHY i put on my notes on that.
PLAY i, said great, call because the you, know you
get into that situation and then you are thinking about
the clock and you are, saying, okay if i'd run
a three, DIRECT i can get it down to a certain.
Level we have fuel, position we can stop. Them but
then to come out with a play pass on that
first that was really. Something AND i APPLAUD Clt Clint
(33:27):
kubiak for. That that was a great.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
Call AND i Have Jeene sterotur tell me every week
that there aren't officials that love throwing, Flags but.
Speaker 4 (33:37):
Oh, yeah you know, what give, them give them a
plus for throwing. Flags their arms must be. Sore Holy.
Toledo kathy came in the. ROOM i, Go i'm getting
really mad at the officials. Here i'm getting very.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Upset it Was Clay. Martin screw.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
AGAIN i bring them up at seventeen penalties twenty two.
Yards those are the ones that were. Enforced, oh by the,
Way But gene tells, me he insists coach that they
there aren't crews that love throwing. Flags they just throw
what's what they.
Speaker 4 (34:12):
See and you know, What i've always Liked jeans talked To,
JEAN i, Have we've had good. Conversations but THEN i would, Say,
jeane be, quiet be. Quiet you know this makes no.
Sense AND i know What i'm. Seeing you, KNOW i said,
YESTERDAY i don't know the guy's, name BUT i, GO
i recognize this. Guy he's doing it.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Again thank, you thank. You It's Clay. Martin you'll never
forget his, name, Now, OKAY i got. It, well nice.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
WIN i, mean there was a chance here that that
team's coming back three and three.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
If they don't beat a four and One jacksonville team
on the.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Road but and they don't look like a three and
three team to me at, all The, seahawks and so nice.
Win and they've turned into Road titans Under mike, McDonald
which is. Crazy but this was big going. Forward, well
you mentioned the road part of. IT i do think
that there's a schematic. Part you just watch how they
(35:07):
communicate on. Defense obviously that's easier on the. ROAD i
think there's something actually tangible. There, well we can explore that,
later but you, KNOW i think there was two times
Under mike McDonald in his young career the seat coach
Where i've just been. Disheartened and one was last year
after The buffalo game The bills won thirty one to.
(35:30):
Ten they had a four and forty five total, yards
twenty nine first, downs one hundred and sixty four on the.
Speaker 5 (35:35):
GROUND i, Mean seattle couldn't do. Anything i'm, like this
is not. Working and then they fixed. It and then
this preseason you can say why, preseason well this is
important to. Me first, game two hundred and thirty two
air yards on. COMPLETIONS i, Said mike McDonald's not gonna like.
THAT i don't care if it's a four, string if
(35:55):
they have a seahawk. Helmet he's they go from two
hundred thirty two yards to fifty teen against The chiefs
fifteen are yards and and and that's because he Teaches
mike Is Mike homemgrin has always, said you're a. Teacher,
First mike was a teacher and his ability to teach
and so HAD i had some confidence after That Tampa
(36:16):
bay that he would find a way to do this
and everything THAT i thought he would, do he did.
It mike and his grasp of being able to change things,
up teach, guys get them to improve in one. Week
we've seen it now multiple times in multiple, ways and
it was it was really something to.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
See, YEAH i, know no question about, it AND i
feel the same. Way and then he did it with
guys who are not his. Starters they were guys who
have not got a lot of practice. TIME i don't
think over the course at the beginning of the. Season
yet he did it with those, guys and that's that
adds another level of impression to.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
Me thank you. Man awesome.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
Stuff we'll get back to doing Normal monday morning quarterback
in the, future but that was a hour packed hour right.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
There appreciate you. Both good to be with. You thank.
Speaker 4 (37:03):
You chuck and The. Murders they're doing pretty.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Good doing pretty, Good, coach doing pretty.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
Good bet you a couple more, wins And kathy won't
be fighting you to watch.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
Baseball she'll actually be leading The. Charter, yeah, NO.
Speaker 4 (37:16):
I, KNOW i know she's you, KNOW i got to
deal with. It fifty four Years i'm still dealing with.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
It Mike, Almgrin Hugh, Millan, minday morning quarterback right here
On chuck And. Buck in the, morning we'll get into
some More mariners. Baseball on the other, Side Ryan heay
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