GENE STERATORE (CBS Rules Analyst) Gene is back and we have missed him! We take a look at some of the questions from week 8 in the NFL, including 2-point conversions that weren’t, but were, natural foot landing, “fumbles” and more! :30- EVERETT FITZHUGH (KAN PxP) joins the show with his thoughts on what he’s seeing from this Kraken team under Lane Lambert. The team ended the long roadtrip with a big win in Winnipeg and returned home to beat Edmonton; is it the coach or the players or both? :45- ABCs of the Mariners - W is for World Series: certainly the thought was there that last night could have been the night Seattle hosted our first ever World Series - X is for extravagant: there’s not going to extravagant offseason spending by the baseball team, should we prepare to be disappointed?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:33):
Sometimes he makes my seat a little too warm?
Speaker 4 (00:36):
Is that right?
Speaker 3 (00:36):
It's I hate turn it down? Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Joining us now it's been way too long. CDs rules
analysts and of course former NFL the greatest NFL official
of all times territory is with us. Good to talk
to you again, Fellas, I missed you.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
Guys you started going into that warm seats. They look
at my age when the seat gets warm, it's for
a different reasons. Oh, you don't want to get too
warm when you're older than me. But I missed you.
I don't like to make hasten in the middle of
the season. Stuff. Fellas we got to work on this.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Yeah, well, our baseball team was was winning, screwing things up.
They were Yeah for our conversation, so I gotta be honest,
we were really enjoying that, but we did miss you
At the same time.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
I agree. I'll start focusing a little bit more on
baseball that way next year when we're contending for the pennant. Yeah,
maybe I can weigh in. We'll weigh on a few baseball.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
By the way, they could use a good umpire.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
So like my take on umpires, stay.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
In my lane today, I want to stay in my
lane today.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
All right, Well, let's go through a few calls from
over the weekend. I saw something on Sunday night I'm
not sure I've ever seen before, and I think I
want to give Aaron Rodgers all the credit in the
world for this. It looked for sure like he was
going to get sacked, and it looked for sure like
he was going to even fumble the ball. And with
his hand kind of braced by a defender, he had
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the presence of mind to see that his running back
was standing right there in front of him, and so
as he's going down, he just does this little flick
motion and throws an incomplete pass right into the ground
and avoids any kind of sack, loss of yard fumble.
I can't disagree with the call. I'm just wondering if
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you've ever seen anybody in that moment like have that
much presence of mind to be able to avoid a
costly play.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
You know what, I think you just hit the nail
on the head. And you know, I when when you
referee for as long as I did in the NFL,
you know, Aaron Rodgers was a rookie, and Brett Farb
was in the you know, not the end of his career,
kind of in the middle toward the end at Green
Bay when when I really met him. And so you're
your career is kind of paralleled for a long time.
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So you do get this opportunity to be on the
field and have some really memorable moments with some great quarterbacks.
I had a really great tenure with the Mannings, de Brady's,
you know, Ben Roethlisberger, Drew Brees, just all of those guys.
So as crazy as the rule is, and it is
the rule, quite honestly, when you are down there with
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that level of a player, their level of awareness and
where they are in these fractions of seconds. It amazes you,
it doesn't surprise you. And I think that was a
really great example of someone just being in the moment
to that level that as soon as he did it,
you could tell that even though you know, he may
(03:46):
assume that they would rule fumble and with replay, you
kind of do right in those situations, so you let
it play out that as soon as he got up though,
he was really adamant about, Look, I know exactly what
I just did, and this is why I did it,
So go ahead and look at it. It's incomplete and
their running backs right in front of me, you know.
But yeah, it's it's amazing how well the elite athletes
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process things. It's it's their level of awareness in real time,
which is, uh, which is kind of why I think
we love what what we what we love.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
And there's no disputing it, right, I mean, they that
was the right call. That's an incomplete pass. The way
that he handled that correct.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
I mean, we could talk about the rule with the
running back stand and let us back to the quarterback.
Is he really looking for the path right? You know?
But uh, the rules are the rules, and and good
players know when to apply those little nuances to to
their benefit.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Well, I mean there was one in the Jets Bengals
game that I didn't understand. I couldn't wait to ask
you about. It was they it was part of their comeback.
It was the first touchdown in the comeback in the
fourth quarter they had there where Brisall ends up running
it in. But there was the two point conversion part
where Tennis scrambles around completes the pass and yet it
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looked short to me. They ruled it short and then
I don't even think it was a like a throw
of flag. I think it was just because it was
a possible scoring play, a two point conversion, it was
automatically reviewed, and then they just came back and said, yep,
it's good, even though it didn't look like it was good.
What did you see on that one?
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Yeah, And I did weigh in on that one, book,
you know, And that was the little the passover to
the bottom pilot kind of right, and the receiver turns
and then he kind of gets driven back almost immediately
as well. You know, I think these kind of plays
and as an analyst, now you know, that's part of
what I do. And we knew, you know, with replay
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and the visuals and in the tech, and we see
things so clearly, and we're framed by framing things. The
real question becomes now, and it's the subjective question, is Okay,
I see the football just enter the receiver's body and
I see the handstart to go around the ball. At
what point has he cured this football? And it's a
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nuance now that I think, as we continue to do
what we do with replay and frame by frame kind
of officiating or analysis, you almost have to give them
the benefit of the minute that this football gets to
those hands, we are now saying, okay, there's clear possession
of the football. Okay, where are we right now at
that moment? And ironically, in situations like this one, that
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football enters this receiver's hands and within two camera frames
that the front of that football, the little the end
of it is not breaking the plane of the front
of the goal line. But there are those two or
three frames right in the beginning where there's the goal line,
there's the nose of that football, and it appears to
be breaking the plane of that goal line. So I
think that's where we live now, you know. And it's
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those moments that we think I think we just have
to embrace the fact we're going to do some officiating
in those ways, right, And that's kind of where I
saw it.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Jane Sterator is with a CBS rules analysts. He's back
with us here. It's been way too long since we
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ninety near the stadiums and get one of the new
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that Gene was referring to earlier. Yeah, they got a
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Speaker 3 (07:35):
They don't have to do it the.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
Old fashioned way.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
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Speaker 2 (07:43):
There was a play in the Dallas Denver game that
we were discussing yesterday after the show, and it wasn't
that any of us thought that there was anything wrong
with the call, and we got to take officials to task.
But even Tony Romo was confused, and I think it
was a game that you were calling. If I'm not mistaken,
(08:03):
even he was confused about the rule about what is
the natural foot landing. It was a touch touched a
reception by Tolbert from the Dallas Cowboys, and I just
thought we all thought maybe it would be a good
time for Jane to explain how he'll toe relation works
to inbounds out of bounds receiving calls.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
Yeah, that I do recall it, and yeah, I did
commit on the play and and and full transparency. There
are times when we are in a lot of television
and they bring me in, and Jim and Tonio will
bring me in to clear a play up, and then
Tony will create his own kind of casebook question in
real time and and ask me something that you know, like, Jane,
(08:48):
what if this happens? What if the ball bounces this way,
goes this way, and and three people are there, and
you know, I kind of want to tell him out there,
let's not play stuff the ref in.
Speaker 5 (08:57):
Front of ten million people, maybe at the end of
the game, but you know, it's a legitimate question. And
I think he enjoys seeing me perspire a little quickly
on certain situations, so I think it's it will continue
to go there. But no, I thought it was a
good question.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
I think on this play, if you do looking again,
it was the touchdown was the touchdown because of that backfoot,
And I think it's a good thing for all the
listeners and lovers of the game. And when we start
reviewing these catch no catches, we know all the elements now,
it's almost like it's prescript and we know that it's possession,
two feed a football move a third step. But when
you do see these balls come in, now, it's always
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a good practice on that first replay to take a
look at the backfoot right because again, right when that
ball enters the hands, if you look at that backfoot,
a lot of times that backfoot is kind of just
lifting off the ground that hasn't completely lifted off of
the ground, so you kind of count the backfoot as
that one, which is what happened in this case. But
as you said, now that we did have three steps
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prior to that last one, which was a heel and
then the natural kind of roll of the foot like
we would strike our heel and then roll off to
the toe, and half the toe part of that foot
was out of bounds. So he did present me with
that question, Geane, what happens if the heels inbounds, and
that was the third step right or the third element,
and then the finish of the foot now goes out
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of bounds. So another kind of nuance to how they
were reviewing and making these catch no catch decisions. Anytime
that the foot strikes the heel and rolls to the
entire foot again a natural type of a step of
a person, then that entire foot must be inbounds. And
on the back end if you strike the toe and
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now you roll into the heel as you're going on
the sideline in the back of the end zone. Toe
taps are fine. We only count toes when we tapped.
But if we strike the toe roll to the heel,
now you brought the entire foot into play. So their
wording of this is natural step either forward or backward.
And so when those do occur, now we've got to
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get the Enceladians. You know, it's when it just saw
us giving you a piece of it. So that was
really what we were kind of describing, or the question
he posed to me again completely unscripted, and just to
throw it out there in case, you know, I would
have a black moment and everybody would get a chuckle.
Out of that.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
He's problematic, isn't he that?
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Romo?
Speaker 2 (11:18):
He's an issue, an issue for him.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
He's great. You know when you're when you're in your
forties and you could still be orderly like like he
was when he was on the field in his place.
It's a wonderful feeling. So though I love every minute
of it. No, I like Romo too.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
I thought it was funny because he was just like what,
I guess it counts because his heel hit his heel
hit first, and then I was sitting there looking at like, No,
I think they counted it because that that that foot
was already down right when.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
He caught the ball.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
But uh, I thought it was great, and I thought
it was great where you were like, No, And to
answer your question, basically, you're wrong, Romo.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
Nice.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Try try to make me sweat.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
We try to do that politely a little too, buddy, right, yeah,
like and just to throw it under this town real quick. No,
that wasn't right either. Great question. Yeah, yeah, let's go
to question four. Now, can we come up with a
new women? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Good, try a little, buddy.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
What makes I think that's what makes them very fresh,
And I think that's what makes that broadcast really good
is you know, Tony can Tony can take you right
from a game listening to think that he's sitting as
the fourth person in your living room and and we're just,
you know, shooting the breeze and bringing up crazy things
right in the middle of something. And and I think
that's good television. At least I enjoyed it.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
I agree, I agree, I got I got one like
that was it was an offensive past interference in the
Giants gaming Darius Slayton that basically had a touchdown and
they called it back for offensive pass interference. And yet
it does feel like you watch every week and that
hand fighting that's going on, and understandably so to some degree,
I think you guys give the dB a little bit
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of license to have his hand on the guy so
that he can be looking for the ball and and
I still know where he is. But then there's a
line where tugging poland starts happening, and this was one
where it looked like the defender was kind of holding
his arm down and then he did a little bit of.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
A push off.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
I mean, how do you decipher how much because to
some degree it's not well, you don't touch him, you
keep your hands to yourself or I'm gonna throw my flag.
But at the same time, there's somewhere where it's like,
well that's just too much, So how the heck do
you guys do that?
Speaker 2 (13:25):
By the way, Brian Dable did not agree with the call.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
No, he was not it. And you know what, I
could defend him on it, you know. And I think
what you mentioned, Bucky, what you're really squaring up is
is really what you try to do at this level,
and that is the art of this. Right. We can
all look at these plays and go, yep, there's a
little grass there. It's defensive holding by the book, I
get it. There's a little hand fighting and oh he
(13:49):
restricts his arm there for three or four ticks, and
that's a file at this level and truth where they
get all levels major college football, you know, all the
way up the chain. The art of officiating is to
allow players to play physicality and some hand fighting and
some minimal restriction in a lot of elements, whether it's holding,
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whether it isn't holding, whether it's past interference whether it isn't.
I think you've got to allow athletes to be athletes, right,
I mean yes, is there's going to be some minor restriction,
a little displacement, Sure, there is, There's a lot going
on there. We've got to be able as a collective
staff and officials have to be able to hone there's
skill to see. Yeah, there's something there, a little bit.
(14:33):
This is not big enough to interject myself in the game.
That's when I would go into the pregame speeches of look,
let's fish for whales, Let's not fish for minnows. We
don't want to get in there and get to the
technical space of once I call that calls, now, what
do I have to do with every one of these
other players for the rest of the day in this game?
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And really, as a lead looks at it. Now, we've
got to kind of be held to that collectively around
the entire weekend. Those types of place to me, you
lit that athlete or athletes, that's a play, that's a
man's game, Go get the ball. There's not a lot
of big restriction, not a lot of big displacement. You
really weren't at a major disadvantage. You've got to play
football at some point. That's the art of this business.
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And sometimes we react to think a little too quickly,
and when that flag is out now and then again
it really in my position, it's a sweating moment, right
because now you're looking at this play, let's bring in
the analysts. What do you think by the book? Yeah,
there's probably something there. Truthfully, I don't want to see
the flag on the ground on those plays, right, You
want to let those things take place. That's what you
(15:39):
hope officials are evolving into as we get into this
part of the season as well. Now, right, we've been
in two months of this. Let athletes be athletes get
the big stuff. When they separate big when they restrict
in a impactful way, call it other things, let it alone,
let them go get it a little bit. And I
think it's better for the game. I think it's better
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for everybody if we do do that. But I was
with Dable on the play. I thought it was a
little tiki taki regardless of the outcomes, right, I mean, yeah, unfortunately,
now he's a sixty five year a touchdown. We're bring
it back. But listen, anytime you interject yourself in a game,
if it's just a ten yard penalty and now it's
second and twenty two instead of second and twelve. The
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game changed from that point for the rest of the game,
So you really have to hone yourself. And I think
we need to make the files a little bigger in
a lot of ways.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Yeah, I just I don't know. I felt like we
went light on officials this week and your return to
our show. Maybe it was just our you know, welcome
back gift to you. Maybe it's because we missed you
so much, or maybe the officials are okay at their jobs.
I hate to confess that, Gene.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
You know, you always look, there's sixteen seventeen games a week,
and we're going to have some things happen. Yes, you
just don't really want to be talking about them on Whydday,
you know. That was always my line, like, and we're
still talking about this Sunday game on Wednesday. And we
didn't have a good week fellas you know. But no,
I don't. I don't disagree. I think collectively we're not
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in a you know, terrible place. But there's always work
to do, right, You always have to get better. And
a couple of games this week head scratchers and things
that you don't want to have happened. Uh, And you
hope that those move forward and everybody learns from them.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
All right, Well, happy Halloween to you. I've gone as
you for the last couple of weeks, maybe not weeks,
last couple of years. Maybe I go as jim Nantz
this week this year.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
I like it. Ye just find myself Hello friends, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
exactly the best. Hello friend. Get the rhythm going right,
I like it.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Yeah, I like it like a University of Houston kerchief
or something like that. There you go, I got it.
I got it all right, Jane, Thank you very much.
Great to hear from you again, and we'll do it
again next week.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
Thanks, guys, have a great week, all right.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
The amazing Gene Sterotor joining us right here on Chuck
and Back and again his segment brought to you by
bmw F Seattle. Just feels good to have Gene back.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
In our lives.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
It feels great. I mean, it was understandable why, I mean,
the manners and we couldn't probably dice up stuff the
way that we typically do with him at that point
in time. But that's over and so now we're into it,
and now we got Gene back in our life.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
We're back to our regularly scheduled program.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
I would like you to start dressing in your gene
costume every every Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Oh okay, I probably do a better nance. Jeane's just
you know too, you know, too dark and handsome.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, maybe some telean her face. All right,
Everett Fitzi is gonna join us next Sports Radio ninety
three point three kJ R f M. All right, Chuck Bow,
(19:08):
Bucky Jacobs, and Ashley Bryan with you every week we
get a chance to chat with the voice. I actually
got to see him in the station last week. Yeah,
he came in to say hello to Ashley and I.
He was like, Bucky's not there.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
I'll be right in.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Oh that's why he came in.
Speaker 6 (19:22):
Yeah, he brought like three course breakfast.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Was delicious.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
That's all because I wasn't here.
Speaker 6 (19:28):
Yes, he was like, it's time for a celebration.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Yes, it hurts my feelings a little bit, but I'll
say this as a team player. I will do that
again this Thursday and Friday. For you guys. If you
get to see Everett and he comes with food, I'll
not come into work for days.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
You're welcome right.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
There, Everett fits you joins us right here. On Chuck
and back. Good morning, sir.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
I specifically called ahead to make sure that you aren't
going to be there.
Speaker 7 (19:53):
Bucket, all right, I said, I said, hey, Chuck, He's like,
oh here, And then it was the It was like
Forrest Gump running down the driveway.
Speaker 8 (20:04):
Remember that.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
Yeah, that was me coming to the station once I
found out that you weren't going.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
To be Well, that's good for good to find out
that you're an outlier and everybody else except for you
from Detroit is nice.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Even even whenever it's trying to be mean.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
He's just so nice.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
I can't.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
I can't do it so bad at being bad. Well,
I'll tell you what. This team's been really good. It's
last couple of games. Put in perspective for us, what
kind of a back to back win?
Speaker 9 (20:38):
This is?
Speaker 2 (20:39):
To win your last game on the road against the
team as good as the Jets, and then come home
and just keep it going against the team as good
as the Oilers.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Just how nice of a back to back go win?
Speaker 4 (20:52):
Is that?
Speaker 2 (20:52):
For Lane Lambert and the Kraken.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
Yeah, I mean there was huge.
Speaker 8 (20:56):
I think the Winnipeg game, I mean that was your
really first statement game of the season. Obviously we're only
going in the game eight at the time, but I mean,
that was a win that you had to have. You
were coming off of an effort in Washington last Tuesday
that Lane wasn't happy with, and he wasn't shy about
letting people know that he wasn't happy. It wasn't good enough.
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I remember even asking him on our pregame one on
ones and I said, hey, it is the fact that
you were in the second game of back to back
and all the fatigue.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
And the travel. Does that help?
Speaker 8 (21:31):
But I think he gave me probably the best sound
bite of my five years. Here he goes, I don't care.
Your job is to win games in the NHL. So
it was very refreshing to hear that. And then you
come to Winnipeg against a team that coming into the
game had lost eleven times on home ice in the
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last year they were thirty seven and four. They had
allowed two or fewer goals in twenty one of their
previous forty home games. So I mean, this was a
team that is nearly unbeatable at home, and you go
in there and you put together a defensive clinic. Joey
Decord was perfect, literally perfect in that game, and then
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you come back home for the first time in two
weeks against an Edmonton team that is, they get off
to some slow starts, but this is about the time
when they start to find their stride during the season
around games eight, nine, ten to eleven, and you grind
them down. You hold Conor McDavid off the score sheet
for just the second time this season. You know, I
(22:34):
think two very different wins, two very different games, very
different efforts, but the same results that now under Lane
Lambert you're expecting to get. I mean that type of
game against Edmunds that I think in particular, those are
games and wins that you expect to get now because
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of the.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
Style of play.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
Fitzia, I mean I've in a little bit for me.
I mean, I'm old school. I like kind of the
hard nosed coach, the guy that doesn't really pull any
punches and will call you out and hold you accountable.
It seems to me that hockey might be the last
sport that conforms to the softness that is kind of
kind of going into a lot of other sports. The
more players coach type of a thing. Is that something
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is that true that hockey's has more players that are
receptive to that type of coaching, And if so, do
you think that the Kraken is built for that?
Speaker 8 (23:29):
I think so, And I think now with I mean,
you look at the journey of a hockey player, right,
very similar to baseball. When you're drafted out of juniors.
You're not going straight to the NHL unless you are
one of one generational talent.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
Right.
Speaker 8 (23:46):
How many baseball players have come out of high school
drafted or get drafted out of college and come right
to the league. It's feeling far between. You have to
go through minors. There's an extensive youth hockey, junior hockey
circuit that kind of beats a little bit of that
out of you. And it is very much the hard working,
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the playing for the name on the front rather than
the name on the back type of mentality.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
And I think for this team, where you have a
lot of really good players, you don't have that big superstar,
you don't have the mc damon, you don't have the McKinnon,
and this team understands that. But what this team does
have is a lot of guys who can work hard.
They have a lot of guys who are capable of
(24:32):
stepping up and shipping in wherever ass and I think
the way that you have to play is a depth
heavy style of game. You need goals from all up
and down the lineup. You need a good defensive structure.
When you're not a team that's gonna score three hundred
goals in a season, you're gonna have to limit the opposition.
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You're gonna have to clamp down defensively. If you're not
good at offense, you better be good at defense. And
I think this is a team that's gonna be able
to find offense, but their calling card is going to
be a very disciplined, heavy defensive structure. I've been saying
it all year long. This is a three to one
hockey team. This is a three to two hockey team,
and they're going to have to be comfortable winning those
(25:16):
close one goal games. And I'll tell you if the
Winnipeg game, the Cracking were up won nothing until they
got two empty net goals of the third period.
Speaker 8 (25:24):
But not once during that third period I looked over
at Al and not once was I like, man, we're
playing with fire here. This game is in trouble because
of the way Joey was playing, because of how effective
the Seattle Kraken were at shutting down their top players.
I didn't feel like that one nothing lead was in jeopardy.
They pulled the goalie, they get two empty netters, and
(25:45):
then they they're on to win.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Jordan Ebery thirty five years old. I don't think people
realize what he had to come back from last year
injury wise. I mean, it was terrible. And so is
he just, you know, so happy to be on the
ice that he leads the team and goals and points.
So or is Jordan Everley have a new lease on
life now that he's one hundred percent healthy?
Speaker 4 (26:10):
You know what? I think it may be a bit
of column A and a bit of column B. I mean,
he missed forty games last season with an injury that
was so rare. If I recall, I think he's probably
the only player, or maybe one of two players to
ever come back from that type of injury because of
how rare it was. So he's out for forty games,
(26:31):
he scores fifteen points, and I think it's like five
goals of ten assists in his last twenty games last year.
Twenty five games last year when he came back from injury,
and I think he's out to prove that he still
has a lot in the tank and he wants to
win here in Seattle. He has never been shy about
(26:51):
his desire to stay and win here in Seattle. He
wants to have success here, So you know he is
he's out to prove that, Hey, I still have it
in the tank. But I think you're right. This guy
just loves playing hockey. He loves leading this team, he
loves being on the ice. You know, it sounds very cliche,
(27:11):
and I understand that, but you know he will do
whatever it takes to help this team win hockey games.
And you're seeing it on the ice and in the
locker room so far this season.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
All right, so young Canadians tonight they are off to
a red hot start. So this is in the last
few years you kind of like playing Montreal. Is that
not the case anymore?
Speaker 4 (27:32):
I mean, they are a.
Speaker 8 (27:33):
Team as good as any I think with a young
cores I look at, you know, like a San Jose
Sharks team who probably in about five years they're going
to be the best team in the league, but they're
going through some growing pains right now. The Montreal Canadians
are where those type of teams aspire to be. They
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have their core locked up seven or eight guys under
the age of twenty five years old. They have them
locked up until at least twenty thirty three, so they're
going to be really good for a very long time.
I think their goaltending is probably the one area of concern,
but they're quote unquote backup. Jacob Dobeesh has got five
(28:15):
to zero record this season. So they're young, they're talented,
they skate well. They just keep coming in waves and
the krack And saw a little bit of that in
Montreal a couple of weeks ago in their home opener,
actually two weeks to the day actually the crack And
were in Montreal.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
They had a chance to win that game, but.
Speaker 8 (28:34):
Cole Kawfield and Nick Suzuki, and they're big, heavy hitters.
Those are the ones that can step up when called upon.
So it's gonna need to be another game like we
saw in the Edmonton game. It's gonna be a grinding
game that this probably is not gonna be another six'
five far or five to four overtime game like we
(28:55):
saw In. MONTREAL i Think seattle's learned some lessons since.
Then they've Been they've been tested a little bit more since,
then And i've always felt that it's easier to be
the team that lost coming back in the rematch as
opposed to the team that. Won if you, won you're
coming in here probably, thinking all, right, guys if it ain't,
(29:15):
broke don't fix.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
It let's you, know rinse and. Repeat but if you're
the team that, lost you're the one who has to
make the. Adjustments you know what went. Wrong SO i
think For, SEATTLE i think it favors them, tonight but
it needs to be another strong, discipline defensive effort because
they have a lot of talent and a lot of
speed that can beat you if you aren't.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Careful he's great at what he. Does he gives great,
hugs and even when he's, mean he's. Nice it's the
human being hat.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Trick everett fits, you joining us right here On chuck And.
Speaker 8 (29:47):
Buck thank, you, sir enjoy, Tonight, BUCKY i love, YOU
i miss, You, Chuck, Ashley i'll talk to you guys,
later all.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Right the voice evert fits, you joining us right here
On chuck And buck in the, mornings and of course
they'll drop the puck tonight at. Home Climate pledgerina seven
Thirty kraken And Montreal canadians pregame With Mike. Benton so
a great night of hockey here on This. Tuesday coming
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one last time with The mariners and the daily segment
known as THE Ab. Season we're at the end of.
It WE'RE WX wx here today and so let's dive
right in w is For World. Series as great of
a game as that was last, night certainly you couldn't
be distracted here In seattle by the thought of this
(30:38):
could have been our First this could have been the
night where we hosted our first Ever World series.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
Game could have been last.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Night that would have been. Nice it would have Been
Willy Willy.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Nice, yeah For Willy Willy.
Speaker 4 (30:51):
Nice.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
Yes and, unfortunately, yeah it didn't work out that. WAY i,
MEAN i to be, honest it's the there's all kind
of different, reasons and yet none of, them none of
them make me feel. GOOD i, MEAN i Feel i've
already found a silver lining And i'm already optimistic about the.
FUTURE i think we both have BEEN i Know ashley's
(31:12):
right there with, us probably more so than a lot
of people about where we're at and what it looks.
Like but now it's this waiting for the. Offseason see
what they do to really make, it you, know kind
of go out there and push this thing over the
top and continue on the path that you showed you're
willing to go to at the trade deadline and then
(31:35):
one hundred and sixty two games to figure out where
we stack up amongst everybody, else and and you know
all of the stuff that goes into, it and so, it's,
yeah it's still.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Stakings is that a long playoff run rarely has nail
biting situation?
Speaker 6 (31:50):
Right, yeah, yeah exactly they.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Were once you get to the, playoffs you just put
your feet. Up, yeah it's just.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
Total was anybody else were you thinking about that yesterday?
Game game? Seven the drama of yesterday's, GAME i was
thinking to, myself, LIKE i don't know HOW i would
have been handling this in A game three of The
World series against The vaunted.
Speaker 6 (32:18):
When it was Against.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Houston, yeah you would have handled a post game right
into our. Show, yeah you would have handled.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
It oh, Yeah, see those are the reasons.
Speaker 9 (32:25):
THAT i didn't don't watch is because things LIKE i
don't want to watch it thinking.
Speaker 6 (32:30):
It should have been, us or this could have been,
us or this should be our. OPPORTUNITY i just.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
Myself there's an element of. That but it's also The World.
Series are you not going to watch The Super bowl
if The seahawks don't get? There it's The World series.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
And you do have no not at.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
All it's the pinnacle of the two of the sports
that we.
Speaker 9 (32:51):
Watched, yeah but we've never Had i've never never come
this close and then had that. Heartbreak, oh you've never.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Come that close to winning A Super bowl and that
was In Super.
Speaker 9 (33:00):
Bowl But i'm, saying but we've never come as a
baseball team this close and then had that heartbreak on the.
Speaker 6 (33:07):
Game but that would have gotten us to that. Situation
like that's.
Speaker 9 (33:10):
Probably How San francisco felt after we played them in
THE Nfc. CHAMPIONSHIP i don't think they were lining up
to watch The Super.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
BOWL i think they.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
DID i think they cheered very strongly again Against, yes
against The.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
SEAHAWKS x is for Extravagant to your, Point bucky about
like the off season. Spending if you are to Believe
Ryan divish and he's usually got his finger on the
pulse of. Things there's not going to be extravagant spending
in the. Offseason as a matter of, fact he kind
of gave a grim out, look like That Josh naylor
is the, priority but that they have limits With Josh.
(33:47):
Naylor he suggested in his most recent, article the thing
that's probably most likely is Just Orgete. Polonco So, Naylor
Sworerez polonco all hitting free agency this. Offseason i'm entertaining
keeping two of the three if you're only going to keep.
ONE i wanted to Be. NAYLOR i think most people
(34:07):
want it to Be. Naylor but the way this team,
spends the way they, produce they you, know approach their off,
seasons and the way that they approach building a roster
with finances in, mind he led us to believe in
his most recent article that the thing that seems most
likely is Just. POLANCO i don't like.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
That, WELL i don't like it, either BECAUSE i think
that you can talk about like what's, important and then
you weigh that against what you're willing to expand your
budget by AND i and to, me it's like the
importance Of Josh, naylor like versus the importance Of Gino.
SWAREZ i Like Geno. SUAREZ i wouldn't even mind Having geno,
(34:47):
back but you don't need it because you do have
somebody that can Play Gold glove caliber third base and
might just be that role player that puts the ball
in play at the bottom of the, lineup which was
one of the many reasons that we find ourselves watching
the WORDS herea are not participating in. It and YET i,
think you, know the more research you look, AT i,
mean if you look at spow, TRACK i, mean there's
(35:08):
whatever it is they're willing To if they're saying that
where we left off this year payroll, wise that's where
we're going to, start and then we will go a
little bit about.
Speaker 4 (35:18):
IT i like.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
That that means we can should be able to afford
two of the three if that's. True SO i don't
know why the suggestion that we're That polanco's the most likely.
Scenario if you're they told us to our to the
media and the media session that we're going to start
with the payroll we ended, with that gives you plenty
of money to be able to afford two of the. Three,
well it's just but then you have to think about
(35:40):
because they don't know right now the estimations of all
the arbitration. Numbers randy Rose arena is going to get a,
Raise Logan gilbert's going to get a, Raise George kirby's
going to get a. Raised guys Like Trent thornton are
getting RAISEST i, Mean Bryce, Miller Luke, Raley Gabe, spire
all of them are arbitration. Eligible and now those are
all those are going from make it eight fifty last
year to make in one point two. Million so they're
(36:02):
not a gigantic chunk of. Change and it's not enough
to overtake losing The Mitch garver money that you're not
going to bring him back for twelve.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
Million Or Mitch. Hanniger it doesn't add up to that,
amount but it does take away from that amount to
a significant. AMOUNT i, mean and yet there's STILL i
think there's a way where you can do. IT i
just don't know for. Sure If naylor's going to go
out there and test the, market he might be one
where if that's the only guy you can, get that
might be all of what they're willing to spend.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
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Speaker 3 (00:33):
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Is that right?
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Speaker 2 (00:41):
Joining us now it's been way too long. CDs rules
analysts and of course former NFL the greatest NFL official
of all times territory is with us. Good to talk
to you again, Fellas, I missed you.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
Guys you started going into that warm seats. They look
at my age when the seat gets warm, it's for
a different reasons. Oh, you don't want to get too
warm when you're older than me. But I missed you.
I don't like to make hasten in the middle of
the season. Stuff. Fellas we got to work on this.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Yeah, well, our baseball team was was winning, screwing things up.
They were Yeah for our conversation, so I gotta be honest,
we were really enjoying that, but we did miss you
At the same time.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
I agree. I'll start focusing a little bit more on
baseball that way next year when we're contending for the pennant. Yeah,
maybe I can weigh in. We'll weigh on a few baseball.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
By the way, they could use a good umpire.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
So like my take on umpires, stay.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
In my lane today, I want to stay in my
lane today.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
All right, Well, let's go through a few calls from
over the weekend. I saw something on Sunday night I'm
not sure I've ever seen before, and I think I
want to give Aaron Rodgers all the credit in the
world for this. It looked for sure like he was
going to get sacked, and it looked for sure like
he was going to even fumble the ball. And with
his hand kind of braced by a defender, he had
(02:10):
the presence of mind to see that his running back
was standing right there in front of him, and so
as he's going down, he just does this little flick
motion and throws an incomplete pass right into the ground
and avoids any kind of sack, loss of yard fumble.
I can't disagree with the call. I'm just wondering if
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you've ever seen anybody in that moment like have that
much presence of mind to be able to avoid a
costly play.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
You know what, I think you just hit the nail
on the head. And you know, I when when you
referee for as long as I did in the NFL,
you know, Aaron Rodgers was a rookie, and Brett Farb
was in the you know, not the end of his career,
kind of in the middle toward the end at Green
Bay when when I really met him. And so you're
your career is kind of paralleled for a long time.
(03:02):
So you do get this opportunity to be on the
field and have some really memorable moments with some great quarterbacks.
I had a really great tenure with the Mannings, de Brady's,
you know, Ben Roethlisberger, Drew Brees, just all of those guys.
So as crazy as the rule is, and it is
the rule, quite honestly, when you are down there with
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that level of a player, their level of awareness and
where they are in these fractions of seconds. It amazes you,
it doesn't surprise you. And I think that was a
really great example of someone just being in the moment
to that level that as soon as he did it,
you could tell that even though you know, he may
(03:46):
assume that they would rule fumble and with replay, you
kind of do right in those situations, so you let
it play out that as soon as he got up though,
he was really adamant about, Look, I know exactly what
I just did, and this is why I did it,
So go ahead and look at it. It's incomplete and
their running backs right in front of me, you know.
But yeah, it's it's amazing how well the elite athletes
(04:06):
process things. It's it's their level of awareness in real time,
which is, uh, which is kind of why I think
we love what what we what we love.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
And there's no disputing it, right, I mean, they that
was the right call. That's an incomplete pass. The way
that he handled that correct.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
I mean, we could talk about the rule with the
running back stand and let us back to the quarterback.
Is he really looking for the path right? You know?
But uh, the rules are the rules, and and good
players know when to apply those little nuances to to
their benefit.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Well, I mean there was one in the Jets Bengals
game that I didn't understand. I couldn't wait to ask
you about. It was they it was part of their comeback.
It was the first touchdown in the comeback in the
fourth quarter they had there where Brisall ends up running
it in. But there was the two point conversion part
where Tennis scrambles around completes the pass and yet it
(05:01):
looked short to me. They ruled it short and then
I don't even think it was a like a throw
of flag. I think it was just because it was
a possible scoring play, a two point conversion, it was
automatically reviewed, and then they just came back and said, yep,
it's good, even though it didn't look like it was good.
What did you see on that one?
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Yeah, And I did weigh in on that one, book,
you know, And that was the little the passover to
the bottom pilot kind of right, and the receiver turns
and then he kind of gets driven back almost immediately
as well. You know, I think these kind of plays
and as an analyst, now you know, that's part of
what I do. And we knew, you know, with replay
(05:40):
and the visuals and in the tech, and we see
things so clearly, and we're framed by framing things. The
real question becomes now, and it's the subjective question, is Okay,
I see the football just enter the receiver's body and
I see the handstart to go around the ball. At
what point has he cured this football? And it's a
(06:02):
nuance now that I think, as we continue to do
what we do with replay and frame by frame kind
of officiating or analysis, you almost have to give them
the benefit of the minute that this football gets to
those hands, we are now saying, okay, there's clear possession
of the football. Okay, where are we right now at
that moment? And ironically, in situations like this one, that
(06:26):
football enters this receiver's hands and within two camera frames
that the front of that football, the little the end
of it is not breaking the plane of the front
of the goal line. But there are those two or
three frames right in the beginning where there's the goal line,
there's the nose of that football, and it appears to
be breaking the plane of that goal line. So I
think that's where we live now, you know. And it's
(06:49):
those moments that we think I think we just have
to embrace the fact we're going to do some officiating
in those ways, right, And that's kind of where I
saw it.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
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Speaker 2 (07:43):
There was a play in the Dallas Denver game that
we were discussing yesterday after the show, and it wasn't
that any of us thought that there was anything wrong
with the call, and we got to take officials to task.
But even Tony Romo was confused, and I think it
was a game that you were calling. If I'm not mistaken,
(08:03):
even he was confused about the rule about what is
the natural foot landing. It was a touch touched a
reception by Tolbert from the Dallas Cowboys, and I just
thought we all thought maybe it would be a good
time for Jane to explain how he'll toe relation works
to inbounds out of bounds receiving calls.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
Yeah, that I do recall it, and yeah, I did
commit on the play and and and full transparency. There
are times when we are in a lot of television
and they bring me in, and Jim and Tonio will
bring me in to clear a play up, and then
Tony will create his own kind of casebook question in
real time and and ask me something that you know, like, Jane,
(08:48):
what if this happens? What if the ball bounces this way,
goes this way, and and three people are there, and
you know, I kind of want to tell him out there,
let's not play stuff the ref in.
Speaker 5 (08:57):
Front of ten million people, maybe at the end of
the game, but you know, it's a legitimate question. And
I think he enjoys seeing me perspire a little quickly
on certain situations, so I think it's it will continue
to go there. But no, I thought it was a
good question.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
I think on this play, if you do looking again,
it was the touchdown was the touchdown because of that backfoot,
And I think it's a good thing for all the
listeners and lovers of the game. And when we start
reviewing these catch no catches, we know all the elements now,
it's almost like it's prescript and we know that it's possession,
two feed a football move a third step. But when
you do see these balls come in, now, it's always
(09:35):
a good practice on that first replay to take a
look at the backfoot right because again, right when that
ball enters the hands, if you look at that backfoot,
a lot of times that backfoot is kind of just
lifting off the ground that hasn't completely lifted off of
the ground, so you kind of count the backfoot as
that one, which is what happened in this case. But
as you said, now that we did have three steps
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prior to that last one, which was a heel and
then the natural kind of roll of the foot like
we would strike our heel and then roll off to
the toe, and half the toe part of that foot
was out of bounds. So he did present me with
that question, Geane, what happens if the heels inbounds, and
that was the third step right or the third element,
and then the finish of the foot now goes out
(10:16):
of bounds. So another kind of nuance to how they
were reviewing and making these catch no catch decisions. Anytime
that the foot strikes the heel and rolls to the
entire foot again a natural type of a step of
a person, then that entire foot must be inbounds. And
on the back end if you strike the toe and
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now you roll into the heel as you're going on
the sideline in the back of the end zone. Toe
taps are fine. We only count toes when we tapped.
But if we strike the toe roll to the heel,
now you brought the entire foot into play. So their
wording of this is natural step either forward or backward.
And so when those do occur, now we've got to
(10:59):
get the Enceladians. You know, it's when it just saw
us giving you a piece of it. So that was
really what we were kind of describing, or the question
he posed to me again completely unscripted, and just to
throw it out there in case, you know, I would
have a black moment and everybody would get a chuckle.
Out of that.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
He's problematic, isn't he that?
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Romo?
Speaker 2 (11:18):
He's an issue, an issue for him.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
He's great. You know when you're when you're in your
forties and you could still be orderly like like he
was when he was on the field in his place.
It's a wonderful feeling. So though I love every minute
of it. No, I like Romo too.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
I thought it was funny because he was just like what,
I guess it counts because his heel hit his heel
hit first, and then I was sitting there looking at like, No,
I think they counted it because that that that foot
was already down right when.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
He caught the ball.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
But uh, I thought it was great, and I thought
it was great where you were like, No, And to
answer your question, basically, you're wrong, Romo.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
Nice.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Try try to make me sweat.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
We try to do that politely a little too, buddy, right, yeah,
like and just to throw it under this town real quick. No,
that wasn't right either. Great question. Yeah, yeah, let's go
to question four. Now, can we come up with a
new women? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Good, try a little, buddy.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
What makes I think that's what makes them very fresh,
And I think that's what makes that broadcast really good
is you know, Tony can Tony can take you right
from a game listening to think that he's sitting as
the fourth person in your living room and and we're just,
you know, shooting the breeze and bringing up crazy things
right in the middle of something. And and I think
that's good television. At least I enjoyed it.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
I agree, I agree, I got I got one like
that was it was an offensive past interference in the
Giants gaming Darius Slayton that basically had a touchdown and
they called it back for offensive pass interference. And yet
it does feel like you watch every week and that
hand fighting that's going on, and understandably so to some degree,
I think you guys give the dB a little bit
(12:54):
of license to have his hand on the guy so
that he can be looking for the ball and and
I still know where he is. But then there's a
line where tugging poland starts happening, and this was one
where it looked like the defender was kind of holding
his arm down and then he did a little bit of.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
A push off.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
I mean, how do you decipher how much because to
some degree it's not well, you don't touch him, you
keep your hands to yourself or I'm gonna throw my flag.
But at the same time, there's somewhere where it's like,
well that's just too much, So how the heck do
you guys do that?
Speaker 2 (13:25):
By the way, Brian Dable did not agree with the call.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
No, he was not it. And you know what, I
could defend him on it, you know. And I think
what you mentioned, Bucky, what you're really squaring up is
is really what you try to do at this level,
and that is the art of this. Right. We can
all look at these plays and go, yep, there's a
little grass there. It's defensive holding by the book, I
get it. There's a little hand fighting and oh he
(13:49):
restricts his arm there for three or four ticks, and
that's a file at this level and truth where they
get all levels major college football, you know, all the
way up the chain. The art of officiating is to
allow players to play physicality and some hand fighting and
some minimal restriction in a lot of elements, whether it's holding,
(14:10):
whether it isn't holding, whether it's past interference whether it isn't.
I think you've got to allow athletes to be athletes, right,
I mean yes, is there's going to be some minor restriction,
a little displacement, Sure, there is, There's a lot going
on there. We've got to be able as a collective
staff and officials have to be able to hone there's
skill to see. Yeah, there's something there, a little bit.
(14:33):
This is not big enough to interject myself in the game.
That's when I would go into the pregame speeches of look,
let's fish for whales, Let's not fish for minnows. We
don't want to get in there and get to the
technical space of once I call that calls, now, what
do I have to do with every one of these
other players for the rest of the day in this game?
(14:53):
And really, as a lead looks at it. Now, we've
got to kind of be held to that collectively around
the entire weekend. Those types of place to me, you
lit that athlete or athletes, that's a play, that's a
man's game, Go get the ball. There's not a lot
of big restriction, not a lot of big displacement. You
really weren't at a major disadvantage. You've got to play
football at some point. That's the art of this business.
(15:16):
And sometimes we react to think a little too quickly,
and when that flag is out now and then again
it really in my position, it's a sweating moment, right
because now you're looking at this play, let's bring in
the analysts. What do you think by the book? Yeah,
there's probably something there. Truthfully, I don't want to see
the flag on the ground on those plays, right, You
want to let those things take place. That's what you
(15:39):
hope officials are evolving into as we get into this
part of the season as well. Now, right, we've been
in two months of this. Let athletes be athletes get
the big stuff. When they separate big when they restrict
in a impactful way, call it other things, let it alone,
let them go get it a little bit. And I
think it's better for the game. I think it's better
(16:01):
for everybody if we do do that. But I was
with Dable on the play. I thought it was a
little tiki taki regardless of the outcomes, right, I mean, yeah, unfortunately,
now he's a sixty five year a touchdown. We're bring
it back. But listen, anytime you interject yourself in a game,
if it's just a ten yard penalty and now it's
second and twenty two instead of second and twelve. The
(16:23):
game changed from that point for the rest of the game,
So you really have to hone yourself. And I think
we need to make the files a little bigger in
a lot of ways.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Yeah, I just I don't know. I felt like we
went light on officials this week and your return to
our show. Maybe it was just our you know, welcome
back gift to you. Maybe it's because we missed you
so much, or maybe the officials are okay at their jobs.
I hate to confess that, Gene.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
You know, you always look, there's sixteen seventeen games a week,
and we're going to have some things happen. Yes, you
just don't really want to be talking about them on Whydday,
you know. That was always my line, like, and we're
still talking about this Sunday game on Wednesday. And we
didn't have a good week fellas you know. But no,
I don't. I don't disagree. I think collectively we're not
(17:12):
in a you know, terrible place. But there's always work
to do, right, You always have to get better. And
a couple of games this week head scratchers and things
that you don't want to have happened. Uh, And you
hope that those move forward and everybody learns from them.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
All right, Well, happy Halloween to you. I've gone as
you for the last couple of weeks, maybe not weeks,
last couple of years. Maybe I go as jim Nantz
this week this year.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
I like it. Ye just find myself Hello friends, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
exactly the best. Hello friend. Get the rhythm going right,
I like it.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Yeah, I like it like a University of Houston kerchief
or something like that. There you go, I got it.
I got it all right, Jane, Thank you very much.
Great to hear from you again, and we'll do it
again next week.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
Thanks, guys, have a great week, all right.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
The amazing Gene Sterotor joining us right here on Chuck
and Back and again his segment brought to you by
bmw F Seattle. Just feels good to have Gene back.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
In our lives.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
It feels great. I mean, it was understandable why, I mean,
the manners and we couldn't probably dice up stuff the
way that we typically do with him at that point
in time. But that's over and so now we're into it,
and now we got Gene back in our life.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
We're back to our regularly scheduled program.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
I would like you to start dressing in your gene
costume every every Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Oh okay, I probably do a better nance. Jeane's just
you know too, you know, too dark and handsome.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, maybe some telean her face. All right,
Everett Fitzi is gonna join us next Sports Radio ninety
three point three kJ R f M. All right, Chuck Bow,
(19:08):
Bucky Jacobs, and Ashley Bryan with you every week we
get a chance to chat with the voice. I actually
got to see him in the station last week. Yeah,
he came in to say hello to Ashley and I.
He was like, Bucky's not there.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
I'll be right in.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Oh that's why he came in.
Speaker 6 (19:22):
Yeah, he brought like three course breakfast.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Was delicious.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
That's all because I wasn't here.
Speaker 6 (19:28):
Yes, he was like, it's time for a celebration.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Yes, it hurts my feelings a little bit, but I'll
say this as a team player. I will do that
again this Thursday and Friday. For you guys. If you
get to see Everett and he comes with food, I'll
not come into work for days.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
You're welcome right.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
There, Everett fits you joins us right here. On Chuck
and back. Good morning, sir.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
I specifically called ahead to make sure that you aren't
going to be there.
Speaker 7 (19:53):
Bucket, all right, I said, I said, hey, Chuck, He's like,
oh here, And then it was the It was like
Forrest Gump running down the driveway.
Speaker 8 (20:04):
Remember that.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
Yeah, that was me coming to the station once I
found out that you weren't going.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
To be Well, that's good for good to find out
that you're an outlier and everybody else except for you
from Detroit is nice.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Even even whenever it's trying to be mean.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
He's just so nice.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
I can't.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
I can't do it so bad at being bad. Well,
I'll tell you what. This team's been really good. It's
last couple of games. Put in perspective for us, what
kind of a back to back win?
Speaker 9 (20:38):
This is?
Speaker 2 (20:39):
To win your last game on the road against the
team as good as the Jets, and then come home
and just keep it going against the team as good
as the Oilers.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Just how nice of a back to back go win?
Speaker 4 (20:52):
Is that?
Speaker 2 (20:52):
For Lane Lambert and the Kraken.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
Yeah, I mean there was huge.
Speaker 8 (20:56):
I think the Winnipeg game, I mean that was your
really first statement game of the season. Obviously we're only
going in the game eight at the time, but I mean,
that was a win that you had to have. You
were coming off of an effort in Washington last Tuesday
that Lane wasn't happy with, and he wasn't shy about
letting people know that he wasn't happy. It wasn't good enough.
(21:21):
I remember even asking him on our pregame one on
ones and I said, hey, it is the fact that
you were in the second game of back to back
and all the fatigue.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
And the travel. Does that help?
Speaker 8 (21:31):
But I think he gave me probably the best sound
bite of my five years. Here he goes, I don't care.
Your job is to win games in the NHL. So
it was very refreshing to hear that. And then you
come to Winnipeg against a team that coming into the
game had lost eleven times on home ice in the
(21:51):
last year they were thirty seven and four. They had
allowed two or fewer goals in twenty one of their
previous forty home games. So I mean, this was a
team that is nearly unbeatable at home, and you go
in there and you put together a defensive clinic. Joey
Decord was perfect, literally perfect in that game, and then
(22:14):
you come back home for the first time in two
weeks against an Edmonton team that is, they get off
to some slow starts, but this is about the time
when they start to find their stride during the season
around games eight, nine, ten to eleven, and you grind
them down. You hold Conor McDavid off the score sheet
for just the second time this season. You know, I
(22:34):
think two very different wins, two very different games, very
different efforts, but the same results that now under Lane
Lambert you're expecting to get. I mean that type of
game against Edmunds that I think in particular, those are
games and wins that you expect to get now because
(22:57):
of the.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
Style of play.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
Fitzia, I mean I've in a little bit for me.
I mean, I'm old school. I like kind of the
hard nosed coach, the guy that doesn't really pull any
punches and will call you out and hold you accountable.
It seems to me that hockey might be the last
sport that conforms to the softness that is kind of
kind of going into a lot of other sports. The
more players coach type of a thing. Is that something
(23:21):
is that true that hockey's has more players that are
receptive to that type of coaching, And if so, do
you think that the Kraken is built for that?
Speaker 8 (23:29):
I think so, And I think now with I mean,
you look at the journey of a hockey player, right,
very similar to baseball. When you're drafted out of juniors.
You're not going straight to the NHL unless you are
one of one generational talent.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
Right.
Speaker 8 (23:46):
How many baseball players have come out of high school
drafted or get drafted out of college and come right
to the league. It's feeling far between. You have to
go through minors. There's an extensive youth hockey, junior hockey
circuit that kind of beats a little bit of that
out of you. And it is very much the hard working,
(24:07):
the playing for the name on the front rather than
the name on the back type of mentality.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
And I think for this team, where you have a
lot of really good players, you don't have that big superstar,
you don't have the mc damon, you don't have the McKinnon,
and this team understands that. But what this team does
have is a lot of guys who can work hard.
They have a lot of guys who are capable of
(24:32):
stepping up and shipping in wherever ass and I think
the way that you have to play is a depth
heavy style of game. You need goals from all up
and down the lineup. You need a good defensive structure.
When you're not a team that's gonna score three hundred
goals in a season, you're gonna have to limit the opposition.
(24:54):
You're gonna have to clamp down defensively. If you're not
good at offense, you better be good at defense. And
I think this is a team that's gonna be able
to find offense, but their calling card is going to
be a very disciplined, heavy defensive structure. I've been saying
it all year long. This is a three to one
hockey team. This is a three to two hockey team,
and they're going to have to be comfortable winning those
(25:16):
close one goal games. And I'll tell you if the
Winnipeg game, the Cracking were up won nothing until they
got two empty net goals of the third period.
Speaker 8 (25:24):
But not once during that third period I looked over
at Al and not once was I like, man, we're
playing with fire here. This game is in trouble because
of the way Joey was playing, because of how effective
the Seattle Kraken were at shutting down their top players.
I didn't feel like that one nothing lead was in jeopardy.
They pulled the goalie, they get two empty netters, and
(25:45):
then they they're on to win.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Jordan Ebery thirty five years old. I don't think people
realize what he had to come back from last year
injury wise. I mean, it was terrible. And so is
he just, you know, so happy to be on the
ice that he leads the team and goals and points.
So or is Jordan Everley have a new lease on
life now that he's one hundred percent healthy?
Speaker 4 (26:10):
You know what? I think it may be a bit
of column A and a bit of column B. I mean,
he missed forty games last season with an injury that
was so rare. If I recall, I think he's probably
the only player, or maybe one of two players to
ever come back from that type of injury because of
how rare it was. So he's out for forty games,
(26:31):
he scores fifteen points, and I think it's like five
goals of ten assists in his last twenty games last year.
Twenty five games last year when he came back from injury,
and I think he's out to prove that he still
has a lot in the tank and he wants to
win here in Seattle. He has never been shy about
(26:51):
his desire to stay and win here in Seattle. He
wants to have success here, So you know he is
he's out to prove that, Hey, I still have it
in the tank. But I think you're right. This guy
just loves playing hockey. He loves leading this team, he
loves being on the ice. You know, it sounds very cliche,
(27:11):
and I understand that, but you know he will do
whatever it takes to help this team win hockey games.
And you're seeing it on the ice and in the
locker room so far this season.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
All right, so young Canadians tonight they are off to
a red hot start. So this is in the last
few years you kind of like playing Montreal. Is that
not the case anymore?
Speaker 4 (27:32):
I mean, they are a.
Speaker 8 (27:33):
Team as good as any I think with a young
cores I look at, you know, like a San Jose
Sharks team who probably in about five years they're going
to be the best team in the league, but they're
going through some growing pains right now. The Montreal Canadians
are where those type of teams aspire to be. They
(27:54):
have their core locked up seven or eight guys under
the age of twenty five years old. They have them
locked up until at least twenty thirty three, so they're
going to be really good for a very long time.
I think their goaltending is probably the one area of concern,
but they're quote unquote backup. Jacob Dobeesh has got five
(28:15):
to zero record this season. So they're young, they're talented,
they skate well. They just keep coming in waves and
the krack And saw a little bit of that in
Montreal a couple of weeks ago in their home opener,
actually two weeks to the day actually the crack And
were in Montreal.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
They had a chance to win that game, but.
Speaker 8 (28:34):
Cole Kawfield and Nick Suzuki, and they're big, heavy hitters.
Those are the ones that can step up when called upon.
So it's gonna need to be another game like we
saw in the Edmonton game. It's gonna be a grinding
game that this probably is not gonna be another six'
five far or five to four overtime game like we
(28:55):
saw In. MONTREAL i Think seattle's learned some lessons since.
Then they've Been they've been tested a little bit more since,
then And i've always felt that it's easier to be
the team that lost coming back in the rematch as
opposed to the team that. Won if you, won you're
coming in here probably, thinking all, right, guys if it ain't,
(29:15):
broke don't fix.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
It let's you, know rinse and. Repeat but if you're
the team that, lost you're the one who has to
make the. Adjustments you know what went. Wrong SO i
think For, SEATTLE i think it favors them, tonight but
it needs to be another strong, discipline defensive effort because
they have a lot of talent and a lot of
speed that can beat you if you aren't.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Careful he's great at what he. Does he gives great,
hugs and even when he's, mean he's. Nice it's the
human being hat.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Trick everett fits, you joining us right here On chuck And.
Speaker 8 (29:47):
Buck thank, you, sir enjoy, Tonight, BUCKY i love, YOU
i miss, You, Chuck, Ashley i'll talk to you guys,
later all.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Right the voice evert fits, you joining us right here
On chuck And buck in the, mornings and of course
they'll drop the puck tonight at. Home Climate pledgerina seven
Thirty kraken And Montreal canadians pregame With Mike. Benton so
a great night of hockey here on This. Tuesday coming
up next the ABC's Of Them Sports radio ninety three
point THREE, Kjrfm we're going to get through the alphabet
(30:15):
one last time with The mariners and the daily segment
known as THE Ab. Season we're at the end of.
It WE'RE WX wx here today and so let's dive
right in w is For World. Series as great of
a game as that was last, night certainly you couldn't
be distracted here In seattle by the thought of this
(30:38):
could have been our First this could have been the
night where we hosted our first Ever World series.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
Game could have been last.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Night that would have been. Nice it would have Been
Willy Willy.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Nice, yeah For Willy Willy.
Speaker 4 (30:51):
Nice.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
Yes and, unfortunately, yeah it didn't work out that. WAY i,
MEAN i to be, honest it's the there's all kind
of different, reasons and yet none of, them none of
them make me feel. GOOD i, MEAN i Feel i've
already found a silver lining And i'm already optimistic about the.
FUTURE i think we both have BEEN i Know ashley's
(31:12):
right there with, us probably more so than a lot
of people about where we're at and what it looks.
Like but now it's this waiting for the. Offseason see
what they do to really make, it you, know kind
of go out there and push this thing over the
top and continue on the path that you showed you're
willing to go to at the trade deadline and then
(31:35):
one hundred and sixty two games to figure out where
we stack up amongst everybody, else and and you know
all of the stuff that goes into, it and so, it's,
yeah it's still.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Stakings is that a long playoff run rarely has nail
biting situation?
Speaker 6 (31:50):
Right, yeah, yeah exactly they.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Were once you get to the, playoffs you just put
your feet. Up, yeah it's just.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
Total was anybody else were you thinking about that yesterday?
Game game? Seven the drama of yesterday's, GAME i was
thinking to, myself, LIKE i don't know HOW i would
have been handling this in A game three of The
World series against The vaunted.
Speaker 6 (32:18):
When it was Against.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Houston, yeah you would have handled a post game right
into our. Show, yeah you would have handled.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
It oh, Yeah, see those are the reasons.
Speaker 9 (32:25):
THAT i didn't don't watch is because things LIKE i
don't want to watch it thinking.
Speaker 6 (32:30):
It should have been, us or this could have been,
us or this should be our. OPPORTUNITY i just.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
Myself there's an element of. That but it's also The World.
Series are you not going to watch The Super bowl
if The seahawks don't get? There it's The World series.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
And you do have no not at.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
All it's the pinnacle of the two of the sports
that we.
Speaker 9 (32:51):
Watched, yeah but we've never Had i've never never come
this close and then had that. Heartbreak, oh you've never.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Come that close to winning A Super bowl and that
was In Super.
Speaker 9 (33:00):
Bowl But i'm, saying but we've never come as a
baseball team this close and then had that heartbreak on the.
Speaker 6 (33:07):
Game but that would have gotten us to that. Situation
like that's.
Speaker 9 (33:10):
Probably How San francisco felt after we played them in
THE Nfc. CHAMPIONSHIP i don't think they were lining up
to watch The Super.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
BOWL i think they.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
DID i think they cheered very strongly again Against, yes
against The.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
SEAHAWKS x is for Extravagant to your, Point bucky about
like the off season. Spending if you are to Believe
Ryan divish and he's usually got his finger on the
pulse of. Things there's not going to be extravagant spending
in the. Offseason as a matter of, fact he kind
of gave a grim out, look like That Josh naylor
is the, priority but that they have limits With Josh.
(33:47):
Naylor he suggested in his most recent, article the thing
that's probably most likely is Just Orgete. Polonco So, Naylor
Sworerez polonco all hitting free agency this. Offseason i'm entertaining
keeping two of the three if you're only going to keep.
ONE i wanted to Be. NAYLOR i think most people
(34:07):
want it to Be. Naylor but the way this team,
spends the way they, produce they you, know approach their off,
seasons and the way that they approach building a roster
with finances in, mind he led us to believe in
his most recent article that the thing that seems most
likely is Just. POLANCO i don't like.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
That, WELL i don't like it, either BECAUSE i think
that you can talk about like what's, important and then
you weigh that against what you're willing to expand your
budget by AND i and to, me it's like the
importance Of Josh, naylor like versus the importance Of Gino.
SWAREZ i Like Geno. SUAREZ i wouldn't even mind Having geno,
(34:47):
back but you don't need it because you do have
somebody that can Play Gold glove caliber third base and
might just be that role player that puts the ball
in play at the bottom of the, lineup which was
one of the many reasons that we find ourselves watching
the WORDS herea are not participating in. It and YET i,
think you, know the more research you look, AT i,
mean if you look at spow, TRACK i, mean there's
(35:08):
whatever it is they're willing To if they're saying that
where we left off this year payroll, wise that's where
we're going to, start and then we will go a
little bit about.
Speaker 4 (35:18):
IT i like.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
That that means we can should be able to afford
two of the three if that's. True SO i don't
know why the suggestion that we're That polanco's the most likely.
Scenario if you're they told us to our to the
media and the media session that we're going to start
with the payroll we ended, with that gives you plenty
of money to be able to afford two of the. Three,
well it's just but then you have to think about
(35:40):
because they don't know right now the estimations of all
the arbitration. Numbers randy Rose arena is going to get a,
Raise Logan gilbert's going to get a, Raise George kirby's
going to get a. Raised guys Like Trent thornton are
getting RAISEST i, Mean Bryce, Miller Luke, Raley Gabe, spire
all of them are arbitration. Eligible and now those are
all those are going from make it eight fifty last
year to make in one point two. Million so they're
(36:02):
not a gigantic chunk of. Change and it's not enough
to overtake losing The Mitch garver money that you're not
going to bring him back for twelve.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
Million Or Mitch. Hanniger it doesn't add up to that,
amount but it does take away from that amount to
a significant. AMOUNT i, mean and yet there's STILL i
think there's a way where you can do. IT i
just don't know for. Sure If naylor's going to go
out there and test the, market he might be one
where if that's the only guy you can, get that
might be all of what they're willing to spend.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Extra reck New isiel's next Sports radio ninety three point THREE,
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