Best of Chuck & Buck 10-29

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Some time.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
Good morning class, ladies and gentlemen. Ladies and gentlemen, behold
in producing six one guard from Brighton, Illinois and former
high school basketball stand What in the hell.

Speaker 3 (00:14):
Does that mean?

Speaker 1 (00:15):
Don't jumped any conclusions. Not a god, You've got to
lower lower your expectations.

Speaker 4 (00:20):
Hard to believe he could once send a fastball to Pluto.

Speaker 5 (00:24):
I'm getting some Bucky Jacobson vibes and former I'll just
openly admit I'm a fat, out of shaped tex athlete.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
Now there's been a noticeable spike in your blood pressure.

Speaker 4 (00:34):
A five seven guard and a former college water polo
national champions.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
A lot of useless crap up here.

Speaker 4 (00:40):
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the action never stopped.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
Are you ready to get there? You go?

Speaker 1 (01:09):
Well, good morning to you. Welcome into this edition of
Chucking Buck in the Morning Sports Radio ninety three point
three k j R f M. It is a Humphy
that's right, Wednesday edition of the program, and on Wednesdays
we go till ten o'clock. Yeah, Wednesday, So today we're doing. Yeah, yeah,
today we're going all the way till ten o'clock.

Speaker 5 (01:29):
Wow, yeah, really giving it to the listeners today.

Speaker 1 (01:32):
That a little extra special. On Wednesdays, like Wednesday thing,
Thursdays we only go to ten o'clock. On Wednesdays we
always go all the way all the way there, and
then Thursdays, you know, only to ten. Yeah, and then
Fridays we just negotiate till ten right, yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:51):
Right, people, a great deal. Totally following what you're saying.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
Yeah, yeah, I mean sometimes we just feel a little
over ambitious sometimes, you know, it's not all we there.

Speaker 5 (02:00):
Yeah, we grind it out.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
Yeah. But today today ten o'clock, it's Ashley Ryan, it's
former Mariner Bucky Jacobson, it's Chuck Powell with you as
we get things started. And man, boy, I tell you what,
once upon a time here in our office, I've often
entertained the theory that if you wanted to, you could

(02:21):
I mean, it wouldn't be a great life, but you
could get all the food that you needed to live
by just living at a radio station. Yeah, that you
could just get the free stuff that comes in. And
then I mean, I don't think it's a great quality
of life. But you could you could survive just by
off the free food that comes into a radio station

(02:43):
during the given week. But it the quality of the
food that comes in is is often interesting. Like once
upon a time, we had a guava candy that somebody
brought in. Remember that, Yeah, and it was here for
nineteen and a half years. I just sat out there
on a tato. I think I tried it and spit

(03:03):
it out. But the guava candy lasted forever. It might
still be in somebody's desk or pocket. I have like
a butterscotch. Yeah, but boy, you bring in some varsity
level Halloween candy prior to Halloween, Like the same bucket
comes in last week and excuse me, next week, it

(03:25):
comes in next week. Maybe it lingers a little bit longer.
Maybe it sticks around a lot because everybody had their
fill of Halloween candy over the weekend and they have
too much at home. But you bring it in. You
bring in the A level, the Reese's peanut butter cups,
the Snickers, the twigs, and you put a bucket out.
It's almost gone twenty four hours. I don't know. Probably
Jessaman brought that in.

Speaker 5 (03:46):
It was actually Mark, is that Mr Glenn? Yeah, he
has a soul?

Speaker 1 (03:50):
To find out the head haun show about in Varsity
level Halloween Candy.

Speaker 5 (03:55):
I learned that from his significantly better other Is that right?

Speaker 1 (04:00):
Probably a trick well, that he has a soul or that.

Speaker 5 (04:03):
And actually it was like I was eating a piece.
I said, you get some of this and she goes, no,
Mark brought that in, I think, meaning like she didn't
want it in the house. Probably that enough maybe, and
then she says yeah, I said, really Marked, and know
yeah he does have a soul.

Speaker 1 (04:18):
Oh okay, so both.

Speaker 5 (04:20):
Yeah, so I learned both.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
And there's milk duds in there.

Speaker 5 (04:22):
I know, Man, I typically don't eat while I'm here,
and yet yesterday I indulged.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
Yeah, I like four or five myself.

Speaker 6 (04:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
I mean when you got a bucket full of the
good stuff was running, you just walked by it.

Speaker 5 (04:39):
Yeah, it was like it was the good stuff, like
you said, and the top run is over. I was like,
it's gonna spill if I don't get the top of
this taken care of.

Speaker 7 (04:46):
I started trying to dig through to see if there
was anything in there I could eat, and it was
like I felt like someone had stolen my puppy.

Speaker 5 (04:53):
Yeah, I was like, if you'd like, I could, like,
I could suck the chocolate off of the milk duds
and then give it caramel.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
Caramel's got milk in it too. Oh yeah, I mean
she stiok, headsets you had on your butt? Why would
she stop?

Speaker 8 (05:07):
Short?

Speaker 4 (05:08):
Now?

Speaker 5 (05:08):
I mean I could lick all the chocolate off a cat.
You could have the wafers.

Speaker 7 (05:11):
You could have the wafers moist, moist wafers.

Speaker 5 (05:16):
Oh, I'm trying to help here.

Speaker 1 (05:18):
Yeah, I prefer my wafers dry. I'm proud of you,
Thank you, thanks for going the extra mile. There's no
pleasing her. I'm in the microwave after. That's a better idea,
crispy wafers. I'm glad we've come up with this play together.

Speaker 6 (05:33):
I'll get it.

Speaker 5 (05:33):
I'll get started on this, saying it's better than going without. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (05:37):
Yeah, I'd prefer if you would lick the chocolate off
a Reze's peanut butter cup and then I could have
the peanut butter.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
In the middle.

Speaker 5 (05:42):
Done.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
Yeah, alright, that's really easy. We'll get that done. Yeah,
you like caramels, Milk dud's become Carmels, real fast.

Speaker 7 (05:51):
Yeah, sad, sad life I live.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
Oh yeah, it's terrible. Well, welcome into the show here
on this some morning. We are actually I actually am
going to highlight Halloween candy and a couple of the
segments later on in the show, you know, worked them
into the sports world later on in the program. But
we're going to begin. I want to begin with the

(06:16):
World Series, but certainly I want this morning. I mean,
yesterday was about just we. It was of this the game,
one of the greatest games we've ever seen. Last night though,
got me thinking though more about how it does sort
of mirror or reflect reflect is the better word the Mariners.

(06:37):
But let's start first, though, Bucky just talking about the
game itself. The Blue Jays won it by final score
of six to two. Shoe a Otani started in the game,
and look, we were two of the people that didn't
think that the fifteen inning affair was going to be
as debilitating to the Mariners in Toronto as so many

(06:58):
were suggesting. And both teams played eighteen innings the night before,
but only one team had a pitcher who got on
base nine times the previous evening, and so I don't
know maybe that did impact that show A wasn't quite
as sharp as I mean, he wasn't bad, but they
decided to extend him into the seventh inning, which might

(07:19):
have been a mistake. The night after he got on
base nine times in an eighteen inning game, and he's
a DH. But you know what, every time you're getting ready,
you correct me if I'm wrong. Every time you get
ready to go to the plate and you're the DH,
you're probably in the tunnel taking a few hacks. So
he did that nine times the previous night, and he
ran the bases nine times the previous night, So I'm

(07:42):
not sure it should all be that big of a
surprise that maybe if anybody had an excuse for being
a little bit tired last night that was on the
mound by the seventh inning, it might be sho Heyo
Tani over Shane Bieber.

Speaker 5 (07:57):
Uh. Yeah, we definitely.

Speaker 1 (07:59):
Didn't impact the game.

Speaker 5 (08:00):
I don't know, I don't know a goot impact of
the game. And we there's really no way to tell
unless he you know, we know that he was after
getting on base nine times, which is absurd. I mean,
I maybe there was a time or two that I
got on base five times in a game, and I
can tell you I was significantly more tired. Not drastically,

(08:21):
not like, oh my god, can't go on, He's not
running that far, You're not running a triathle. But there's
certain times where you just were on base more, especially
if you ended up having a you know, maybe a
couple of AB's where there's full count, two outs, you're
running foul ball, running foul ball, stuff like that that
you you noticed like, wow, that was I exerted more today.

(08:41):
And we saw a show Hey kind of stretching his
calf out like he was cramping up because he was
on base every damn time, and and you know he
was actually trying to steal bases. And I mean, I
guess a couple of times he wasn't he was on base,
but he just jogged around them. But other times there's
doubles and he's just you know, sprinting to second base.
It was I think he was probably more fatigue than

(09:03):
typically getting ready for a start.

Speaker 1 (09:06):
And also, like our pitchers are slaves to their routines,
our guys our slaves. And we've talked about a lot
during the season, like a rain delay seems to affect
us more than it does the other team because Logan
Gilbert is so precise in his you know, in his
build up. George Kirby, I think is the same way.
I think maybe Bryce Miller lesser than Brian Will slightly

(09:29):
lesser than But our guys are affected by that, especially
in today's modern game. I mean, once upon a time,
you know, George Brett rolled in from the bar and
went three for four. You know, I think they are
a little bit differently. And if you think our guys are,
the Japanese approach is completely different. Yeah, So to get
out of there's no way that Shoe a Otani could
have stayed in his routine after eighteen innings the night before,

(09:53):
had to go home and sleep, come back to the ballpark,
and then do it all over the next day while
also incorporating his pitching prep. So I don't know, he
seemed fine for six innings, but maybe Dave Roberts asked
a little bit too much out of a guy that
got on base nine times the night before to have
him go out for the seventh and that was the
difference in the game. That seventh inning is where Toronto

(10:15):
pulled away.

Speaker 5 (10:16):
Yeah, I mean I would think, I mean Ultimately, if
you take the seventh inning where he gave up a
couple of knocks to start that and then was pulled,
I mean he would He went five innings, four hits
and two runs, and it really was a mistake to
Vlad Guerrero, who's on fire this entire postseason, and took
him yard. And so you're still sitting at a two
to one ball game and you've you've taxed your bullpen

(10:38):
because of the eighteen innings before, and they don't really
typically trust their bullpen a whole heck of a lot
as it is, right and for good reason. Outside of
the performance that they had in the in the eighteen
inning affair the night before, it's probably one of those
like I think we'll just go ahead and ride this.
I mean, he wasn't. It wasn't like he was getting
rocked and having to wiggle out of trouble.

Speaker 3 (10:57):
He was.

Speaker 5 (10:58):
I mean, he allowed you know, base runners basically up
to up through five innings, so it was like.

Speaker 1 (11:04):
Fine, but maybe the seventh was.

Speaker 5 (11:06):
Just still ran ran out of gas. I think it's
part that. I think it's more so you know, as
much as you know there's a I got a you
know I'm irritated with the Toronto Blue Jays because they
knocked us out. There's an old school way that they
play the game is that is one that plays when
you're tired and when you you know, the emotional toll

(11:30):
that it takes on you to play eighteen innings and
lose is far different than the emotional toll to play
ateen innings and come out victorious. And so it's one
of those all right, boys, that's time to dig deep,
it's time to we got to go get Shoho Tani.
They get to go against Shane Bieber, who by all
accounts is pitching well in the postseason coming off Tommy

(11:51):
John and he's doing what they're they're asking of him
to do it just keep them in the ballgame. You
just kind of felt like, boy, this is a I
can see how bang bang and this thing's over and
five yeah.

Speaker 6 (12:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (12:02):
And yet the old school mentality, and I don't know
who it was on Toronto, I think it was after
they beat us, ended up saying it might have been
Beaber old school wins, Old school wins. Like there's something
about the mentality that the Blue Jays are playing with
that is like us against the world or US against
right right now, it's US against this you know Dodgers

(12:23):
team that you know by all accounts, I mean, its
spent the most money out there, and I know the
Mets are up there too, but it's just this team
is like they should win. Everybody thinks they should win,
and the Blue Jays are like, well, I'm gonna raise
my hand here. I think maybe we have something to
say about that, like on a regular basis. So I
think they answered the bell better than than the Dodgers

(12:43):
just did up and down the lineup.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
Well, that dovetails perfectly into the topic that I did
want to bring up because we're four games into this
series and I thought the Dodgers were gonna take it
in four to five games. I really did. I think they.
I probably would have given the same prognosis had the
Mariners made it. I just thought the Dogs, the way
that they're constructed, how healthy they're starting pitching was. I mean,

(13:04):
it's the best rotation money can buy, and for the
first time in this modern era, all of their pitchers
were healthy at the exact right time and just muwing
through people like threshers through wheat. That's how they'd performed
throughout the postseason. So I probably would have given the
same prediction had the Mariners made it to the World Series.

(13:25):
But it did sort of with Toronto, like you said,
playing their game last night, bouncing back from an eighteen
inning loss from the previous night. And really, as much
as I brought up showey Otani, John Smoltz pointed out,
it was their ability just to put the ball in
play and see what can happen. Jimenez with his big
two strike hit the other way, and ty France even

(13:48):
hitting a ground ball the second base and not grounding
into a double play and just bringing in a run.
That sort of approach is probably the primary thing that
led to their victy last night. And it just it
just struck me as everybody's in Mariner hangover, in a
state of Mariner depression for a long time. We had

(14:09):
to beat down. And this is the thing that if
I got angry during the last five years, during the
Jerry Depoto era, it was people just saying the moment
the Mariners didn't accomplish what we wanted them to accomplish,
they sucked.

Speaker 5 (14:25):
They're terrible.

Speaker 1 (14:26):
That was the That's where everybody went, and everybody needs
to be fired. Those are the things that if I
ever got angry and yelled and got worked up, it
was over that mentality that the moment the Mariners don't
achieve what we thought they could achieve or should achieve,
it was automatically same old Mariners. They stink, not the

(14:48):
same old Mariners. Has not been the same old Mariners
for the last five years. This is a completely different
approach that they have taken. And we are so well
set up for the future and should be on a
four game, four season playoff streak and the process. But
I hope that people and I know that there's no

(15:09):
moral victories here, but watching the Blue Jays even things
up with the Dodgers. I mean, we went through this
season hearing they stink same old Mariners. No no, no, no, no, no, no.
The Seattle Mariners are as good as any team in
Major League Baseball. They can play with anybody, including the

(15:30):
Dodgers and obviously the Blue Jays. We came within eight outs.
We came within one swing because if George Springer doesn't
hit that home run, I think we win. We came
within one swing of being in this World Series and
maybe even with the Dodgers at two games apiece. So
I realize we haven't made the World Series, and that

(15:51):
continues to haunt everybody in this city. And it should
I mean you should. You shouldn't be satisfied. I heard
this promo coming in. You shouldn't be satisfied. It was
a successful season. But nobody's satisfied. The organization's not satisfied. You,
the fans shouldn't be satisfied. Hi, the talk show its
Tom not satisfied. There's more to achieve. They gotta make
the World Series. They got to win a World Series.

(16:13):
Otherwise you have floundered an amazing job of creating this
foundation to win consistently over a decade or more. But
we are so close, and I get it. That's very
little solace that you can take right now, and you
don't want to think about moral victories. But four games

(16:35):
into this series, two games apiece, two teams that seem
pretty evenly fought, and we came within a swing of
beating that one of those teams and being in the
same situation. We are there. We are there. It is
hard to win a World Series, even getting into the playoffs,
even with home field advantage, even with a buye in
the first round. It is hard. I mean, it felt

(16:56):
we were only in two rounds. We only participated in
two rounds of the playoffs. It felt like three and
a half years of our lives we were taken. And so
it is hard ass work to win it all. But man,
we're right there. We can compete with the best in
the game and are set up to do so for
the next five to ten years.

Speaker 5 (17:13):
Well, I think that everybody is entitled to You can
have your opinion. It's just I mean, I think the cold,
hard truth is that people should realize that the two
things can be true. You can think that this season
was a success and yet not successful enough like it's
it was just it was a good year. They obviously
made the playoffs. They get they got to the second

(17:36):
second you know rank or whatever they finished second to
where they get a bye. They you know, they fought
hard to get out of the first round against Detroit,
which ultimately a lot of people can say Detroit isn't good.
They you know, they they shouldn't have even went to
five games or whatever. You can say whatever you want
Detroit up until you know, a month and a half

(17:59):
towards the end of the season. There, I mean they
were one of the better teams in the American League,
and they have an ace that we had to end
up beat twice. It to me, it's the idea of
if you can't recognize this team is on par with
the best teams out there, like you're right there, like
you that's what you know. Like, I'm not sure what
I feel about Jerry Depoto, but it wasn't. One of

(18:21):
the things that is pretty evident, and he's basically been
open about it, is that he's trying to build something
that year after year will compete to be in the playoffs.
So you have a contender because they feel that the
way that they're building a team that gets into the
playoffs could be dangerous in the postseason, and this team
most certainly could have. I mean, I think that two
things that can be true are I think that our

(18:42):
pitching staff didn't really perform as well as they can
or possibly you're in the World Series now. But I
also think that part of that is tip your cap
to the Blue Jays because they had a game plan
against good pitching that makes it difficult for good pitching
to be flawless. Yesterday, to me, the Otani mows down

(19:03):
the first couple hitters, and then they grind out two
AB's that made it to where he still threw twenty
pitches in the first inning. That allows Vladimir Guerrero to
come up in the third inning to hit the two
run homer that basically put them ahead for good at
that point in time. It's those little tiny things that
the first inning didn't amount to anything. They get a

(19:23):
walk and a single, and then Alejandro Kirk gets out,
but it was more than that, just letting him mow
your guys down one, two, three. So I mean, to me,
there's an old school thing, and I think the old
school thing plays against anybody, and it played against us.
But to think that we're not on par with the
team out there, it's crazy.

Speaker 1 (19:41):
How many times the last few years I've driven around
listening to various hosts on various stations just constantly say, well,
we're not in the same category as the Yankees.

Speaker 6 (19:51):
That's clear.

Speaker 1 (19:51):
What are you talking about? Of course we are. The
only reason absolutely are.

Speaker 7 (19:55):
The only reason we're not is because they they would
look at any season and where they're not going to
the World Series as a failure because they've been there
so many times. I think that would be like the
one reason that we wouldn't be in the same category,
because I don't think we can look at not going
to the World Series as a failure. It could be
a disappointment, but I don't think it's a failure.

Speaker 1 (20:14):
All right, let's find out what is on tap for
today's radio program people. What's on TEP?

Speaker 6 (20:23):
What's on TEP? All right?

Speaker 1 (20:24):
Toronto wins six to two over the Dodgers. The series
is even at two games a piece. Now Game five
will be tonight. It'll be a savage for the Blue Jays,
Blake Snell for the Dodgers. Mariners offseason, of course is underway.
A lot of people talking about it. We will to
today as well our final ABC's of the MS today

(20:45):
at eight thirty. Also, Reckless at Breakfast Today will chomp
into that topic as well at seven forty five. The
Frozen Frenzy was held yesterday in the National Hockey League
the Kraken as every team in the NHL. A part
of it come from behind point for the Kraken, which
we'll talk about coming up here at six forty five. Also,

(21:06):
al Kiniski will join us at nine to thirty. Next
up for the Krack in the matchup with the Rangers
not until Saturday, though. Sounders Game two versus Minnesota United
will take place on Monday, so the Sounders have to
win back to back games in order to advance in
the playoffs. The Seahawks we are at hump day of
a week where they'll actually play. I don't know why

(21:28):
a bye week feels so long, but it just does.
They'll take on the Commanders this Sunday night. Greg Bell
will join us at seven oh five with the latest. Also,
we are six days away from the NFL trading deadline,
so we'll rip into that today as well. Huskies are
on by this week still, Cam Cleland will join us.
He's not on by, he'll be with us at eight o'clock.
And speaking of Huskies, we're five days away from Danny

(21:51):
Sprinkle and the Dogs starting their brand new season. The
college basketball season gets started Monday night as well. All right,
so a lot tocus, clearly, But the big topic right
now in college athletics is the latest wave that we
didn't see in this new world of college football. How

(22:11):
did Rick Neweesill react to all of the college football
head coach firings here in the last few weeks. Boy,
he went off yesterday and we're gonna replace some of
that for you next on Sports Radio ninety three point
three kJ RFM Market.

Speaker 5 (22:25):
But bottles the put against the boards.

Speaker 9 (22:27):
Now Sleptowski in for us knock touth Ballfield shoots scores.

Speaker 1 (22:33):
Here's Leane Hudson near signs is Hooky down low.

Speaker 9 (22:36):
Pump pass, Slopkowski scores bull Duke. Now for Doc left
side around a fort of same why Julie's a chord now.

Speaker 5 (22:47):
Tops it into the near side.

Speaker 9 (22:48):
Doc in the circle, sip the cross shot tech score
and the Montreal Canadians have a three nothing lead.

Speaker 5 (22:57):
Cat gets it back right side up top.

Speaker 9 (22:58):
Montour shot and Store and the Seattle Cricket get on
the board.

Speaker 1 (23:06):
Three one.

Speaker 9 (23:07):
Here comes only Toning right in on goal.

Speaker 6 (23:10):
That one knocked away.

Speaker 9 (23:11):
Now Shane right Store, Shane right off a nifty pass
and the Seattle Cracket cut the deficit to one done
drifting center plant across montor stop welcome back Brandon Monteur

(23:35):
and the Seattle Cracket tie the game at three.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
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(24:17):
They worked hard to get that point. They end up
losing to the Montreal Canadians at home in overtime four
to three. Cool caw Field, I'm already sick of you,
but it was a furious third period comeback for the
team just to get the game into overtime. Brandon Montor
leading the way two goals and an assist and also

(24:39):
a terrific defensive play as well. Plus he's Brandon Montor
and he's just cool. Yeah, he is a cool dude.
Cool cap.

Speaker 8 (24:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
Dorothy Montour raised herself a good one. Say so proud.
Let's take a look at your frost brewed Corslight choose
chill headlines before Greg Bell joins the show here this morning,
and we'll start with the world's aris. Toronto blue Jays
bounced back from that eighteen inning loss the night before
to defeat the Dodgers and show Aotani six to two.

(25:08):
The series is even at two games. Apiece Y Savage
versus Snell tonight. Unless you're selling perfume, then it's yesabage, Yes,
completely different pronunciation.

Speaker 5 (25:19):
Yeah, it's more address.

Speaker 1 (25:20):
Yeah, the frozen frenzy last night as well, cracking. We're
a part of that, but we've already covered that story.
Sounders played game two of their three game series against
Minnesota United in the MLS postseason coming up on Monday.
They are down one game to Minnesota United, so they
have to win the last two to advance in the playoffs.

(25:41):
Just where Brian Schmetzer likes to have his opponent thinking
he's got one up on the old mad scientist. It's
never gonna happen Minnesota. Yeah, it's hump days see for
the Seahawks, So we'll be playing the Commanders this Sunday night.
We're also six days away from the NFL trading dead line,
and so to talk about these topics and others, we

(26:03):
welcome our Seahawks insider, the great Greg Bedling. All right,
good to have you with us here again this morning.
It is hump gay yep, and I want to start
with a former Seahawk at our conversation today, Bobby Wagner
kind of looks like feels like this is going to
be his last season. So this is the last time

(26:25):
he'll be on the field, I think with the Seahawks
in a football game, even though he's on the other
side of things. How big of the story is Bobby Wagner.
He usually is when we face him, but this time
around to bring him up on a Wednesday, how much
of your coverage will be devoted to seeing Bobby Wagner again?

Speaker 3 (26:45):
Well, I was going to take an opposite tack and
today at Seahawks and talk about how well he's playing
at age thirty five and a half. Yeah, he played
every snap of sixty nine. There's only three Washington players
who played every snap on Monday night at camp sitting,
and he was one of them. He had ten tackles.
He had his fourteenth career interception went through Travis Kelsey's

(27:06):
hands and into his. He's played ninety nine percent of
the snaps this year. He played ninety nine percent of
the snaps last year. He second in the league in
tackles right now behind Jordan Brooks. By the way, it
doesn't seem like he's slowed down at all. Now, he's

(27:28):
not as fast as he used to. He saw that
both at the end of his first Seahawks tenure and
then in the second Seahawks go around when teams targeted him,
especially in the past game. But he's got a coach
and Dan Quinn that'll let him be the middle linebacker
for the Washington Commanders as long as Quinn as the
coach and as long as Wagner wants to. So I'm

(27:50):
not convinced this is the last go around. I haven't
talked to him in a while, but since the last offseason.
But he, of course we know, has a lot of
other things besides football going on in philanthropic interest and
business interests, and does a lot with each pcus there's
more than football to Bobby Wagner. So he didn't have

(28:11):
to play. But he's still producing at a level that
would suggest that he's not just fading out. And to
play ninety nine percent of the snaps at middle linebacker,
that takes a toll on you for doing it for
fourteen years going on thirty six years old. I was
gonna talk to Ernest Jones today if I get an

(28:31):
opportunity to about just that trying to play that position
that Jones plays as physically as that it demands, and
to do it for fourteen years. He's a Hall of Famer.
He's a first Bobot Hall of Famer, privileged to have
covered and to know him off the field as well.
They'll never be another like Bobby Wagner for longevity, uniqueness, perspective, everything.

(28:58):
He's a joy to be around. He enrichest people that
he is with. He just has a lot more than
football going on, which might be the strongest thing I
can say about him.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
Nineteen hundred career tackles, I mean, and then add college
to that. Imagine just like tackling another human being three
thousand times in your life.

Speaker 3 (29:18):
He's had thirteen thousand, six hundred snaps in just regular
season in the NFL, thirteen thousand, six hundred car crashes
in the middle of defenses. His job is to slam
into people on every snap, and he's done it almost
fourteen thousand times.

Speaker 5 (29:37):
Yeah. Well, I mean, you've you've went on at length
about when they went out and got Ernest Jones last year,
how much that shifted and shaped the way in which
the defense can play. And so this weekend they're going
to be going up against, you know, Bobby Wagner, and
so even if he maybe has lost half a step,
maybe he's not as capable of going sideline to sideline

(29:57):
like he was back in the legion of Boom days.
What he brings to the table between the years has
got to be something that maybe that Sam Donald and
company are going to be alerted to. You got to
worry about how smart he is back there, right.

Speaker 3 (30:11):
Yeah, Buck, there's nothing he hasn't seen pre snap post
snap during plays. The communication. The Commanders actually have been
trying to do a little bit of what Mike mc
donald's doing, layering their play calls, changing at the snap,
and it hasn't worked. They've had a bunch of injury.

(30:32):
They had both their defensive ends are an injury reserve.
They have safety on injured reserve. They are really hurt,
especially on defense. They aren't tackling very well. So the
last week the Commanders and Bobby Wagner talked about simplifying,
not having layered play calls either ors if a team
is in shotgun or a team's under center, if a

(30:53):
team's in this formation, to change the call and to
be more to just be simpler. Wagner's in the middle
of all of that, and he has seen everything. And
a big advantage that Wagner has in being able to
play fast at age thirty five is he's playing with
the coach he grew up with. The Ken Norton Jr.
Was of course the position coach, but dan Quinn was

(31:16):
the main thrust of the legion of boom defense and coordinating,
and he worked the closest besides what Norton he was.
Quinn was closest with Wagner on those early twenty ten Seahawks,
So the familiarity with each other is off the charts
for a guy at this point in his career. He's

(31:38):
hand picked by Dan Quinn to be in the middle
of the Washington defense because of their experience in Seattle.
There's nothing Donald and Kobac and formations and motions can
do that Bobby Wagner hasn't seen defended and beaten in
the past.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
Greg bellis with US our Seahawks insider. Yeah, one hundred
and east second right now in the National Football League
in career in tackles this season behind Jordan Brooks, by
the way. Yeah, yeah, they're one and two. But he's
one hundred and thirty nine tackles away from the all
time record. I realize that tackles isn't like sacks or

(32:19):
touchdowns or things like that. As a matter of fact,
sometimes the tackle stat could just sort of suggest that
you play on a bad team that's on the field
a lot. We know that's not the case in Bobby
Wagner's career. So I guess my point is that being
the leading tackler does not come with the same sort
of spice that other statistics do. But do you think

(32:42):
it is important to Bobby Wagner? Do you think that
he wants to retire as the all time leading tackler
in NFL history?

Speaker 6 (32:49):
Yes? I talked about this with him.

Speaker 3 (32:52):
His position, that's job one is to tackle and to
tackle him where you hit him. I talk about that
a lot with Hernes Jones and how the defense changed
last year because Dotson and Baker were getting dragged like
tin cans on the back of an old pickup truck
when they would hit people. And absolutely opposite with Ernest Jones,
the same with Bobby Wagner. When he tackles you, you

(33:16):
go down. And that's the difference between punting and getting
first downs, which becomes a difference in not scoring and scoring,
which becomes a difference between wins and losses. Tackling is
the prerequisite of a middle linebacker and to be the
best at ever doing it and the most that ever
had it. You're right statistically, some teams are accused of

(33:37):
padding tackle stats and giving tackles to guys who just
jump onto a pile at the end, but the all
time that speaks of longevity at that position in particular.
I mean, ask Brian Urlacker, as Dan Morgan asked Luke Keaghley,
It's hard to play at an elite level for as
long as Bobby Wagner has without really damaging yourself physically.

(34:02):
Wagner keeps himself in exquisite shape. He jokes with me
about hot yoga. He always told me I should go
to the hot yoga studio in Bellevue.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
You'd look great in leg warmers.

Speaker 10 (34:12):
That would be the day that I can't even go
with my wife in hot yoga. Why would I go
with Bobby Wagner that.

Speaker 3 (34:19):
He was always telling me to do that, and how
restorative it was for him. Now he loves it. He
has a little place on the East side. He always
was near where he lived. I think he still goes
there in the off season, and his diet has been
impeccable since he was in his early mid twenty. He
wasn't eating McDonald's when he came into the league. He

(34:40):
just is a pro and to him all that he
doesn't talk about the accolades, but the tackling in particular,
the tackle mark is a big deal for the position,
to show that he did it year over year over
year for fifteen years.

Speaker 5 (34:57):
Yeah, I'm going to ask you something that Chuck kind
of brought up to us yesterday. I mean, is this
a game against Washington that if they don't have Jadon Daniels,
is it a walkover a game against I mean with
Marcus Mariota back there or do I mean they're gonna
prepare either way. But is Jayden Daniels the X factor

(35:18):
of whether or not this could be a game.

Speaker 3 (35:21):
Well, he's the decisive factor.

Speaker 6 (35:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (35:23):
If he doesn't play Buck, even the game shifts heavily
towards Seattle and their defense. I wouldn't call anything the
Seahawks do a walk over. I don't think they're that
good of a team, and anybody can beat them, I
mean anybody. And the Commanders drove into Kansas City territory
Monday night five times. Five of their eight drives were

(35:46):
in Chiefs territory, yet they only scored a one touchdown
there was. Their best drive was the first drive of
the game, and they got inside the red zone, just
marching down the field, running and passing, and then a
pass went through receivers hands inner up to it was
a bubble screen. It was a really weird play. I
believe it was McLaren that the ball went right through

(36:06):
his hands and into the defenders' hands. And that was
the end of the drive and they were chasing the
rest of the game. They didn't run the ball at all,
I mean sixty yards. They ran it just six times.
After halftime. It was a seven to nothing game. Then
it was seven to seven and a half, it was
fourteen to seven late in the third quarter. Yet Washington
ran it just six times in the second half. They

(36:31):
I've mentioned this a couple of times. The Seahawks number
one rank defense against the run, to me, is somewhat
artificial because the Jaguars, the Buccaneers, those teams didn't even
run at all. Washington needs I know they Austin Eckler
is out injured as well on injured reserve out for
the year. They need to run the ball. Jayden Daniels

(36:52):
has always been a part of that, well always in
the year and a half he's been in the league,
and he's got a hamstring issue, so even if he plays,
he may not be the run factor he normally is
RPOs and keepers that Mariota would be that healthy. But
if Daniels doesn't play, the Seahawks should win. To answer
your question, if Daniels does play, this is not easy.

(37:16):
This is still a team that went to the NFC
Championship Game last year. Injuries aside. They're ticked off. They're
three and five and there's talking Washington as to what's
gone wrong, and they're angry and they realize that they
have more talent than this. They're playing a tougher schedule
this year. They're not winning the games at the end
like the Hail Mary against Chicago that they won last year.

(37:38):
This team last year when they won eleven plus games
that went to the mc tedle game, they won five
games in the last second, either on the last play
or the last five seconds of a game. That's hard
to do, and eventually the law of averages catches up
to you and you don't always win all those games.
And that's also some of what's happened this year are the.

Speaker 1 (37:56):
Ax inside of Greg Bell with us here on checking
back in the morning, of course, follow him at Thenewstribune
dot com complete Seahawks coverage and if you want on Twitter,
they're at g Bell Seattle. So I know Seayawk fans
are excited about having the gang back together in the
defensive secondary this Sunday night. How pumped is Mike McDonald
to have his A team going Sunday.

Speaker 3 (38:19):
Yeah, Witherspoon's the big deal. Julian Love looks like he's back.
I didn't see Witherspoon in the brief part of practice
we could watch on Monday. They didn't have to put
out a practice report and injury report on Monday, so
there was no word on whether Witherspoon even came out
on the field after we weren't allowed to be out there.
We'll know more a little more today, But he had

(38:40):
said last week McDonald had that Witherspoon is coming back
to practice fully this week too, or that was the
expectation the Witherspoon piece coming back. I mentioned this the
other day, but that makes them hole for the first
time since the opener, since the first five plays of
the opener, And then there's the question of, well, what
do you do when they're all back, because to me,

(39:02):
Witherspoon and even Warrior are gonna play. You're not gonna
take even Warry out of Nickel that he's been excelling at.
They may go a lot more dying with six defensive
backs so they can get Woolen and Emon Warry on
the field with Witherspoon, and if they go dime, that
means have been only one linebacker on the field most times,
and that would be Ernest Jones, and they take Drake
Thomas off. They they just haven't had these options, And

(39:28):
as McDonald said, this is a good problem to have
them excited to have those decisions to make, because I've
been just done. If we didn't have the numbers at
full strength that we've had since the opener, for them
to be five and two, the number one against the run,
the pressure rates that they've gotten without having to blitz
all of that, without having their starting off defense together
since the fifth player of the season speaks to how

(39:50):
well they've been playing. No matter who's been in there,
the defense is where this team will lie. This is
where they're If they're winning the division, it's because of
the defense. I know, Donald having a great season and
Smith and Jake was leading the league. They're gonna win
based on their defense. And now it's finally hold again.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
All right, man, great stuff. As always, we roundtable.

Speaker 6 (40:10):
At tomorrow we do.

Speaker 3 (40:12):
Yeah, the table will bend.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
It will be round you and Hugh chopping it up
for us here tomorrow.

Speaker 10 (40:19):
So we look forward to having man now that not
going to have a World Series hiatus for the roundtable.

Speaker 3 (40:24):
Stick maybe hockey hiatus for it or Huskies, I don't know. Curling, Yeah,
that's that's true. Gymnastics is a winter sport in some places.
I'm excited to do it.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
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Speaker 3 (41:18):
All right?

Speaker 1 (41:18):
Coming up next here on our radio program, we'll play
Factor Fiction twice. I'll explain it next on KJAR.

Speaker 4 (41:27):
Your own for Husky Football proudly presents our weekly visit
with the voice of the Dogs, Cam Cleveland.

Speaker 1 (41:33):
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On Sports Radio ninety three point three KJR FM.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
Let's ask Caam Cleveland one of our questions from Halloween
candy Factor Fiction. Okay, to get this started, let me
ask you something here, Cam. Are the are Reese's Peanut
butter cups just three and a half point favorites over
all other Halloween candy? Or would you take another candy
and the points? What would you do?

Speaker 6 (42:10):
I think that's fair. Yeah, it's completely fair. It's the
leader in the clubhouse for me at all times. It
trumps everything. No pun intended there, Okay, pun intended. But yes,
I think it holds a little bit higher level. It does.
It just does in all forms.

Speaker 5 (42:25):
What would be as close as contender Snickers?

Speaker 6 (42:27):
Yeah, twicks, ooh, I'm thinking of twigs. That's that's where
I need a little bit of crunch in there. If
you're gonna go Twigs or kit Kat, it's right in
that realm Snickers you can, but it's the peanuts, you know.
It's it's it's too close to Rees's. So you got
to flip it to something a little bit different, you know.

Speaker 1 (42:46):
On a neutral field, Starbucks or Starbucks, Starburst or Nerds
on a net.

Speaker 6 (42:53):
I'm gonna flip. I'm gonna flip the script and go
Mambas on you guys. You guys remember mamas. Oh yeah,
but take you to a whole other level with Mambas.

Speaker 5 (43:04):
They're excellent, but they're bigger than Star Wars.

Speaker 6 (43:06):
Sure, they are bigger than Star Wars. And they came
in a whole like different, like it just looked like
a rainbow of perfection. It was beautiful.

Speaker 7 (43:14):
The only complaint about Mambas though, is that they come
in four little packs, and so you have to open
all the packs to be able to alternate flavors.

Speaker 1 (43:21):
That's my only complaint, right, Yeah, you guys have.

Speaker 6 (43:24):
Made it very tradable.

Speaker 1 (43:26):
Yeah, yeah, sharing guy, you guys have a mama strategy.
I choose are really good too this right now?

Speaker 5 (43:37):
Oh wow, I choose the junior varsity star wars now
and later.

Speaker 6 (43:42):
Yeah, tell you that we go freshman, I go freshman.
Freshman on the bench is what that is. Yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (43:50):
Can't cleanland this with us right here on Chuck and Buck.
It must be a bye week. We spent four minutes
talking about Halloween candy with our Husky insider. So here
at six and two in the bye week, four games
to go, a favorable schedule until Oregon. I mean, boy,
I mean there have been the high points of this season.
There have been a couple of low points this year,

(44:12):
a lot of different things to discuss, But I got
to feel that Husky fans should be feeling pretty good
about where this team is right now with a quarter
of the season remaining.

Speaker 6 (44:22):
Yeah, I'm I feel pretty good about sitting. If you
told me at the end, or if you sat right
here and we said, okay, I'm gonna give you a
magic eight ball, and I'm going to say all right,
You're gonna have a loss to Michigan and Ohio State
and number one team in the country, and the what
I think, what is Michigan twenty two somewhere around in
there at twenty Yeah, I would feel I would feel like,
all right, you needed to win the three big games

(44:44):
when you put it on your schedule. Certainly we're Ohio State,
Michigan in Oregon. I felt at that point you had
to win one of those games to really jump for
a shot to be in a Big Ten championship or
a shot at the college football playoff, potentially that match
up at the end of the season. I don't like
to jump ahead of games, but I will say I'm

(45:04):
obsessed with the college football rankings at this point. I'm
excited to see them come out in November. The ape
Pole has turned me into a chaotic goofball of the
ups and downs and the inconsistencies and the lax and
the biases and the I know, Chuck, you talked about
how important it was for preseason rankings because it gets
everybody excited, but even you know, I spent just so

(45:26):
much time looking at how these rankings have come out
and what Washington needs to do you just need to
win each game. You got to go on the road
to Wisconsin and you have maybe a UCLA team that
came back to life a little bit, But then now
they're like, all right, that was a murder that happened.
It was tough, that was a big, tough game. But
then he just in these moments of this season, I

(45:50):
know the perception of college football and the rankings and
how much it matters. Even with twelve now it feels
harder to get in than it was with four. Were
the way the biases are set up, and I guess
there's nothing left to do but just win and win out.

Speaker 5 (46:07):
Yeah, I mean, how do you explain I mean, the
offense at one point was you know, I mean I
think statistically they were number one, and then maybe it
was before that Ohio State game, but Ohio State and
Michigan combined thirteen points against the two best teams they
played to date, and so the difference between that and

(46:27):
the fact that they put up thirty plus it feels
like against everybody else. How do you explain the discrepancy
between the offense rolling and then not being able to
do anything against a couple of good teams.

Speaker 6 (46:37):
Well, I'll tell you two big factors returned this week
and that makes a difference. Carver Willis and John Mills
returned a freshmen and an absolute stal worth at left tackle,
which changed the game quite a bit. I mean, you
did lose Clinton Moore again in the second half of
the Michigan game. He is your edge blocker the Michigan game.

(47:00):
As your tight end, he is your best, one of
the best blocking tight ends in the country and does
an excellent job on edge run. So that changes your
run game. So now you're down to Decker to Graff
who Decker is more of a move ahe tight end,
he's not a true Then you have to bring in
lineman last week or and put him in number eighty

(47:21):
and dressed him to be able to make a blocking
But you had Carver and John Mills back last week
against a pretty good a pretty good defense, and that
when you look at that defense and go, okay, all right,
here we go. We're gonna do the run game. The
ability to get Jonah Coleman those types of runs they moved,
the pocket, they changed. It's hard to win games on

(47:45):
the road, no question in a Big ten that that
goes without saying all right, But an Illinois team that
comes in as a ranked opponent, they played very very well.
They beat usc They had some tough games too. They
were a very Their quarterback was excellent. All in those
moments is when you were at full strength. This Husky
team showed that in that first half versus Ohio State

(48:07):
and into the third quarter when they were at full strength. Okay,
they could handle those punches. Same thing in the Michigan game.
You could handle it into the third court and then
all of a sudden it gets out of control when
injuries happened and the mistakes happened, the turnovers happened, the
discipline of the of a red shirt or of a
true sophomore. Now that quarterback, he's getting better. The youth

(48:29):
is there. But when you get a veteran lineman, okay,
a young powerful lineman that's a freshman on that left side,
the continuity there and you get Joeah cooleman going and
then the defense gets a turnover. Get the takeaway, guys.
That was what the difference was this last week is
you had two interceptions, should have had four. One taken
away on a drop another one was a pass interference call.

(48:51):
But the defense flipped the energy. So I could come
up with a lot of excuses, but you didn't win
those two big games, and now you got a shot
to win out and then you're going to have to
play a very very good organ game and did at
the end of the season, but at least that game
would be at home. But I'm not going to count
any chickens yet. You got to go to Wisconsin first
and get healthy.

Speaker 1 (49:10):
This week, Cam Cleveland is with US former Husky tied
end and of course color analysts for all the Huskies
play by play broadcast right here on the flagship Sports
Radio ninety three point three kh arfm and his weekly
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Halloween Candy, is brought to you by Warrior Injury Law
Battle Tested. Let's talk about the defense. We always talk

(49:33):
about the skill guys on the offensive side, but on
the defensive side, man to have to Carrio O Davis
and Ephesians Price Sock together, both healthy at the exact
same time. I mean it is. It was previewed as
these two could be a real big problem for opponents,
but we just haven't seen them play enough together and

(49:56):
healthy at the exact same time, but now we're starting
to see them get into a little bit of a
role and how nightmarish can two six foot four inch
corners with skill and length, How much of a nightmare
can they create for opposing quarterbacks?

Speaker 6 (50:13):
The rest of the way, I think it does depend
on the style of offense that teams are going to play.
And you're right, I don't know if I'd look out
on the edges and go, oh, that guy looks like
somebody we can attack, He's just he arms are everywhere.
They can outrun you too, jump, physical and be able
ball skills, all of that. But even I mean, Alex

(50:35):
McLoughlin is one of the best safeties in the country.
Transfers from northern Arizona.

Speaker 3 (50:39):
Okay.

Speaker 6 (50:39):
Mkelsteine is very active. That back half four guys, Okay,
they are arguably one of the best in the country
because they are so good in open space. You can
depend on them. Amac can make tackles across the field
as aligned as a safety. You know, mckkelsteine fills the
box very good, good speed over the top. But then
you have the those two corners that can lock it down.

(51:02):
And Takario is the leader on this group. He is.
He is as good as advertised. He is an NFL
player all day long. He could do whatever he wants.
I mean, at this point, if he wants to stay
or if he wants to go, that's really not up
to me. But when you watch him play, will teams decide.
And I've seen it this year as most teams have

(51:22):
decided to try to play the tight end game, the
shallowcrosse game attacked linebackers, and x Ray has gotten better. Okay,
Devin has gotten better. These the linebackers have had to
step up and make plays all of those moments that
you're watching this defense. The defensive line has gotten better.
They've been healthier. The key is availability, right, It's just

(51:44):
you have to have your guys available. Coach Walters has
settled into what the Big ten and he knew this
conference was always about power and run games and low possessions,
tight ends and shallow crosses, vertical scenes. And that's what's
hurt us in big games is those intermediate routes. The
receivers hasn't taken us down really yet. I mean that's
I mean, there's big guys against it. Certainly when you

(52:06):
played up in Maryland, they had really big wide receivers,
very big wide receivers too, and if their run game
controlled it all the way into the third quarter and
we made a comeback. But yes, the defense is it.
It has to get better in the red zone. I
will say, it's like some of these red zone decisions.
Other than that, it's it's a team that has to

(52:26):
get healthy. It is a bye week. Couldn't come at
a more perfect time, especially to have to go all
the way into Camp Randall, which is not going to
be easy. And I don't care what their record is,
it's not going to be easy at all.

Speaker 5 (52:38):
How are you feeling about the run defense? Is it
buttoned up to your liking at least for this weekend?

Speaker 6 (52:45):
Yeah? I you know, you have to defend the run.
It should be the priority weekend and week out. It's
you hear my hesitation in the sense is that you
It really depends on the style of the runners. You know,
when Michigan brings a backup running back and they go
all over the place and they just run it in
to fish in and it comes down to you guys.
To me, it's can you contain a quarterback that can run?

(53:09):
You know, designed runs versus Illinois. Those were those were
I mean not only just difficult to watch, but it
was third down conversions in those moments. And every quarterback
we play in this conference, every quarterback in the country,
name a quarterback that doesn't run, it just stands there. Now,
there's no such thing anymore that guy is. There might

(53:31):
be one or two out there that win more in
the pocket, but every quarterback is active. There's too many
RPO games now to just throw that out and say, well,
he's a stand in the pocket guy and he's gonna
deal it down the field.

Speaker 7 (53:45):
No.

Speaker 6 (53:45):
I mean Julian's saying, Ohio State is as good as
anybody getting a ball out of his hands so quickly.
They just make it, make offense really efficient. So I
would say that the run game stopping the run game.
I don't worry about giving up runs. I worry about
points in the red zone. And being watching what Ohio
State does so well is they don't give up points

(54:06):
in the red zone. They just don't. And they're very,
very good at that. And that's more important to me.

Speaker 1 (54:11):
Cam Cleveland with us right here on Chuck a Buck
in the mornings here on this Wednesday bye week for
the dogs four weeks to go in the regular season.
All right, So the big topic in college football this week,
and it really has come to a head. It's been
building up to this moment, all of the head coaching
firings that are taking place, all the money that's being

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eaten by programs, to try to find somebody that cannot
just be good at running a program, but you got
to be championship caliber at all moments of all time.
That seems to be the mentality right now that is
sweeping campuses across the country. I don't believe it's sustainable.
I have our time thinking anybody could think that this
is sustainable. But we're not just talking about individual cases here.

(54:55):
This isn't just Penn State decided we just don't like
James Franklin anymore. Seems to be a giant wave, an
unexpected rogue wave that's hitting college football. And I wanted
to get your thoughts on it.

Speaker 6 (55:08):
Man. There's a lot to unpack there, guys, I mean,
Choegy you guys. Could we could spend an hour to
two hours just going over in detail the catastrophic changes
of college football. And I don't like firings. I don't
like coaches coming into houses and recruiting and saying be
loyal and be loyal to me, and I'll be loyal

(55:29):
to you. I don't like outside endeavors or people that
don't control. I mean, rumors are and I'm okay, rumors
are what rumors? Rumors are that Adidas paid out a
lot of James Franklin's contract and that was part of
thereby Do you think ESPN controls the narrative that at all,

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this SEC is the power outside of Really what it
is of college football is to teach young men how
to play football, and teach them how to be really
good lead and teach them how to be teammates and
what it is to have time management and discipline and
fight together and make lasting memories together. Or is it
all about a win? I mean, and that's really what

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the choice is. And I've seen it. It's now minor
league football, it's professional football. It's called it what it
is because they're paid and compensated. And the move to
get into twelve has made the pressure even more. The
recruiting classes are paid at twenty five. Kids transfer portal
sometimes take ten. So let's say you take fifteen and

(56:31):
now you have to outpay, and now the transfer portal
is now before January. Well, I'm sorry, the first week
in January. So now you have to get it done.
And now you have to fire your coaches because the
signing day has been moved up because you can't lose
your recruits. So now you've got to fire them in season.
You can't wait till the end of the season because
you're going to lose your whole recruiting class. Now you
have to pay out all these guaranteed money. So with

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all that being said, what's the answer. Something's got to
give and will what will it end up being? I
wish I had a bright answer for it, But I
still love college football. I just think we're in a
massive transition period that has to come to a head,
and it'll come to a head with a commissioner, rules
and all of that starts to see college football, in

(57:15):
my mind, ends up being its own entity away from college.
Eventually it'll be under the college umbrella, but I think
it moves into its own entity soon and everything else
is still college football, but there is a commissioner that
controls and rules that take Maybe it's sixty four, maybe
it's eighty four. Maybe it's one hundred and thirty that

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all go off on their own and play real college football.

Speaker 1 (57:40):
I think a lot of silly people with silly money
amounts of money are feeling their oats right now and
trying to control something that they enjoy doing, which is
watching college football. So it's going to go on a
two ways. Either those silly people with the silly money
are going to wise up and say even bad investments
are not on you know, we just can't keep doing this,

(58:03):
or even sillier people with even sillier money are going
to get involved and then it's good. Then it's not
gonna look like anything that we want college football to
look like, and that will be a sad day. But
it's kind of crazy. I mean, every time you think
something's fixed and that you've got your arms around one
thing in this new era of college football, something unexpected

(58:25):
starts occurring that does not feel sustainable. And right now
that's the firing, the mass firings of college football coaches
with years left on their contracts.

Speaker 6 (58:35):
Well, what do you tell? And that's I mean, and
I agree with that. I mean all this money when
I when you pay out this money to coaches and
Brian Kelly. I watched the Netflix show and if you
guys watched the SEC I never bought into Brian Kelly.
I never liked his personality. I knew that fit wouldn't
work there. Now, what do you tell these guys on Saturday?
Because Saturday never really changes? Right? I mean that that

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comes down to those young guys getting four years a
chance to play on a national showcase. The NFL still
needs a free farm system, so something has to give
and something has to work. But Saturday, to me, is
still a unbelievable feeling. It's it's fans, It's it's it's tribal.
Don't ever lose that fans, don't let the money and

(59:18):
the tribal mindset ever change. And that's that's what I
still love. That will never go away. And college football
can the idiots with with the large amount of money, Sure,
that's fine. I mean you want to you want to
throw your money at the wall, it's not mine. Do
whatever you want. But I don't care how much you buy.
All right, you're still can't buy wins. You can't, or

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Oregon would have ten national championships by now, easy.

Speaker 1 (59:42):
All right, last thirty last thirty seconds with you scary
movies or slasher movies or The Great Pumpkin Charlie Brown,
what are you gonna say.

Speaker 6 (59:50):
Oh, scary movies or slasher movie? Are we talking the
difference between scream and like psycho?

Speaker 4 (59:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (59:57):
Like psych or saw?

Speaker 6 (01:00:00):
You know, oh saws the thumbs?

Speaker 3 (01:00:01):
I see.

Speaker 6 (01:00:02):
I'm not into the saw thing. I'm more in the psycho. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
Same here, same here here.

Speaker 6 (01:00:06):
Yeah, I don't need the gore. I don't need the gore.
I would like a good thriller. Thriller.

Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
This sounds like a good time. Just cam Cleland's watching,
you know, classic horror movies and having a big giant
bucket of peanut buttercups from Rees's. That sounds like a
winner to me, right there. All right man, thank you sir.
We appreciate it and enjoy the bye week.

Speaker 6 (01:00:28):
Appreciate it, guys.

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
Thanks all right, cam Cleland, The Voice of the Dogs.
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up next the final ABC's of twenty twenty five on
Chuck and Buck. We will we'll close out the alphabet
and then say goodbye until twenty twenty six to our
daily Mariner segment here today is I know that makes
you sad?

Speaker 6 (01:01:03):
Buck?

Speaker 5 (01:01:03):
You sorry, It's right, it does make me sad. Yeahright,
we could have done like one more round. Yeah I'm kidding.

Speaker 1 (01:01:09):
Yeah, that's been great.

Speaker 7 (01:01:10):
That would have meant we were still playing.

Speaker 5 (01:01:12):
Finish it with World Series champions.

Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
Or that the segment is so awesome Ashley, that you
guys wouldn't let it in. That's another possibility.

Speaker 7 (01:01:20):
That's not a possibility.

Speaker 5 (01:01:22):
No, I don't want to transfer abcs over to football.

Speaker 1 (01:01:27):
I do like the ABC's, but I like them the
way they are. Yeah, you like them when there's Mariner
games going on.

Speaker 5 (01:01:32):
Yeh rah, we do the ABC's.

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
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he's pitched all season long. But Dave Roberts tried to
ride him into the seventh. The Blue Jays scored a
couple of runs and pulled away for a six to
two victory. But the Mariners are the subject of the
abcs of the MS, and so we close out with
a letter why and Z. Why is year in Review?
It's the year in review of the Mariners. And I

(01:02:42):
thought it was very grown up of Nathan Bishop in
our promo that's running right now, because he's usually very negative,
like the most negative person ever. But look, I think
that that's it. I mean, I don't think that anybody
should feel satisfied with the twenty twenty five Mariners. But
that doesn't mean it wasn't a successful season.

Speaker 8 (01:03:04):
It was.

Speaker 1 (01:03:05):
We won the division, went further than any team has
ever gone in Mariner's history. Just wipe away the history
for a second. Making it to Game seven of the
ALCS and losing by a swing means you had a
damn good year. You get to hang a banner next year.
Granted it's just a divisional banner, but you get to
hang that you got out from underneath the Houston Astros.

(01:03:26):
Finally he got to buy in the first round of
the playoffs. We had memories for two straight weeks that
are going to last a lifetime. You better believe it
was a successful year. But also, no one should feel satisfied,
certainly John Stanton, Jerry Depoto, Justin Hollander, and no fan
should feel satisfied with twenty twenty five. It's about winning
a championship and until we do, we're not going to

(01:03:48):
feel satisfied. That. That doesn't mean it wasn't a successful year.

Speaker 5 (01:03:51):
Yeah, those two things can be They can both be
true at the same time. I mean, you know, I
think that if you look at the two team that
are still in it, Toronto ends up making the world
series for the first time of what thirty one years,
and so it's not like it's not some long standing
feet Now they've been there before, they've won a couple

(01:04:11):
of them, and so they don't have that same history,
which I think does propel you to a deeper depth
of depression when your season comes to a close. I
think it does because we haven't and we were so
close to getting to somewhere that we had never been before.
But it doesn't yeah to me. It seems it seems

(01:04:32):
hollow if you just think, well, it's just a failure,
anything less. I mean, there'll be people that will text
in and say, well, that's just loser mentality to be satisfied,
not satisfied, but to be able to deem it a
successful season even though you're disappointed that you didn't achieve
the ultimate that's a loser mentality. Okay, whatever you think.
But I'll just go ahead and say I don't have

(01:04:52):
a loser mentality. I'm not satisfied with getting one swing
from it or nine outs away from achieving at least
getting to the World Series. And then what we're watching
right now, the team that we took to the brink
is tied with the Dodgers, who spend a bajillion dollars
on their roster this season. So I mean, I'm not satisfied,

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but I'm very content with where we are. I definitely
my mind goes to, boy, you got to follow this up,
you know what I mean? I hope for damn well
that they don't get chintzy with what they're going to
spend and yet, I mean, I just hope that they
don't backslide. I hope that they enjoyed the ride, and

(01:05:34):
it sounds like they did, that they understand where they're at,
and this is the window is now for sure open.
It's time to stay on top of your division. It's
time to make the playoffs again. It's time to learn
from your mistakes and hopefully button up some things that
were a little bit suspect.

Speaker 7 (01:05:49):
I think that's what a lot of people when they're saying, well,
it's not a successful season, or having that kind of
if we didn't win it, it's not a success. I
think the mentality of that is coming from the fact
that people so many people are worried about the offseason
and thinking, well, look at how long it took us
to do this, Since the last time like, look at
how long it's been since we won the division. But

(01:06:10):
as you said earlier, it's not the same Mariners team. No,
and it's not run by the same people that were
running the team back in two thousand and one. Like
we just got a It's hard, I know, because we
have a long history of not succeeding at this, But
you got to have faith that these guys are going
to get this done in the off season and that
we're going to have this similar team back out there
next time.

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
Yeah. We we didn't make it there with a star
player who's thirty seven years old exactly. I mean, we
didn't make it there with a pitching staff that's all
going to enter free agency in the offseason. We entered
there with a young nucleus that is the envy of
most every franchise franchise in Major League Baseball. I mean,

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even the Dodgers were a team that I always gave
credit because they ran their organization so well and their
farm system was always good. They always built through the
farm system, and then yeah, then they took their millions
and they added to it. This team just is all
about buying everything. That's why I just don't even respect
this Dodgers team right now, there's a lot different. I

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think it's a different situation. But in terms of the
foundation built, I'm not sure there's a better foundation in
all of the sport than what we have right here
in Seattle and should be able to profit off of
for years to come. But yes, you have to win
it all. You got to certainly get to the World
Series and you got to win it all in order
to eventually feel satisfied. But that doesn't mean that you

(01:07:33):
can't have success along the way. Finally, Z is just
for az as we get ready to you know, snooze
into the off season. It's a long hibernating winter. But
there'll be activity. There will be stove turns out. I
like the stove a lot, But yeah, we kind of
shut things off for a little while, but there will

(01:07:56):
be plenty of activity to sculpt. I just don't think
you're going to see many additions. As we talked about
in Reckless at Breakfast today, I think the pursuit of
Josh Naylor to be brought back. I mean it's going
to be up to him to play ball with this
if he wants to be the highest paid he can
possibly be, and take the highest offer. He's not getting

(01:08:16):
it from Seattle. I could see a Josh Naylor because
we can't figure him out. He's so serious. I could
see him saying, this is a business decision. This is
the biggest business decision of my life. I've got to
get the best deal, and so that's what I'm going
to do. But I could also see Josh Naylor saying,
there are bigger things in life than just making the
most money, and I loved it here. I'm going to

(01:08:38):
stay here. I think there's something special going here, and
I won't take the highest offer. If he takes the
highest offer, he's not coming back next year because they're
not going to give it to him. But if they
give him a fair market offer, I think we'll have
him back. I think we could get Jorge Polanco back,
and other than that, I don't think we're going to
add a lot. So people might look at that as
a snooze off season, but you might want.

Speaker 5 (01:09:01):
To prepare yourself for that. I think the dude wants
to win first and foremost and do so making as
much money as he possibly can. So I think his
decision's going to be made by I'm going to go
where I think they're gonna win. I like the organization
and how they sell themselves to me, and they're willing
to come up there and be at least near the

(01:09:22):
top offer, right, I don't. I don't see him as
a guy that would just take I.

Speaker 6 (01:09:27):
Don't even know.

Speaker 5 (01:09:28):
The Rockies were like, we just really love the way
you play, and you'll be a great clubhouse guy for us.
And he's like, all right, done, I'll just go be
a Rocky and suck for the rest of my career.
I don't the team will suck for the rest of
my career. I don't think you do that. At the
same time, I don't for some reason, I don't think
he's just going to be like, I really love the
summer in Seattle, the weather's beautiful, fans were wonderful. That's enough.

(01:09:52):
You know, I'll leave ten million a year on the table.
I just don't take that to be the case. Yeah,
so it's I'm not feel think about.

Speaker 1 (01:10:00):
I think they'll get a little uncomfortable to bring him back,
but they're not going to get a lot of uncomfortable
to bring him. Yeah, yep, so we'll see balls in
your court. Josh. You know you're wanted back. I think
you are going to get a fair offer. But if
you have to have the most money, then you probably
are going to be playing for somebody else next season.
All right, let it be the Yankees coming up next
on the program, Man and the Words of Peaches and

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from behind point I've seen the Crack and Register in
their young history. Last night, taking on the Mantra Trio
Canadians losing three to nothing in the third period, whack, whack, whack,
Brandon Montor just went to work on the halbs, ended
up tying the thing up, sending it into overtime, where
Montreal eventually won four to three. But the Crack and

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now to discuss it is color analyst for your Seattle cracking.
Right here on the flagship kJ R. Al Kaniski is
with us. Good morning out Hey, al, Al's really really
quiet today, really.

Speaker 5 (01:11:32):
Yeah, it's like so quiet, can harready? But I can't
even hear him.

Speaker 6 (01:11:35):
I hope everything's all right with.

Speaker 10 (01:11:36):
Al there he is, Al, how are you boys?

Speaker 1 (01:11:40):
Good morning, great to chat with you. I mean, I
don't know, you tell me. I mean, I don't know
if hockey players ever just get on the bus and like, yes,
great point, fellas. I'm sure it's Hey, that was an
awesome win, and they feel good about it. I don't
know if they go to the point of recognizing how

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great a point they got even though they lost the game.
You tell me, is that something that you're celebrating last
night in the locker room that you somehow pulled out
a point at least in that game against the Canadians.

Speaker 8 (01:12:14):
It's like parking at Costa on Saturday. Sometimes you drive
up and down the aisles and you never find a
parking spot, but eventually you get one. And sometimes you're
just patient. You're helping people with their groceries and look,
there's a parking spot right at the front. I think
that was the game last night. The guys were patient.
They were a little sloppy in the first couple of periods,

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but they were patient and they turned it on the
third period. And you know, if I had written the script,
Brandon montro would have gotten the hat trick for the
winner and overtime. Unfortunately, he settles for three points to
get the guys back in the game with a couple
of goals and a helper and gives them a chance
at a win and overtime. But it was a big point. Unfortunately,

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it probably should have never gotten to that point in
the game. That will slop you over the first half.

Speaker 5 (01:13:00):
Yeah, oh, I mean the fact that they've fought and
got came back from down three to zero. I mean,
that's obviously is commendable, and yet the first couple of periods,
I'm with you, it felt a little bit sloppy. I mean,
just looking at it, they only had two power plays
and scored on each one. You had four and only
converted on one of those. What was your biggest contention

(01:13:23):
of the sloppiness that you saw in the first couple
of periods.

Speaker 8 (01:13:27):
Well, I think in the first couple of periods, first
of all, you're playing a team that is the youngest
in the NHL, and with youth typically comes speed. They're
a fast team and they were using that speed not
only on the attack but also on the pursuit, meaning
they weren't giving Seattle very much time to make decisions
when they had the puck, and I think it took
the crack and a bit to adjust to that where
they had to start moving the puck quicker, They had

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to start looking for longer passes, they had to start
finding some sustained offensive zone pressure and how they got
away from that youth and that speed, and unfortunately it
just took a while to fit figure out. Montreal did
a good job of pressuring Seattle in their own D zone,
taking away a breakout exits.

Speaker 1 (01:14:08):
Well, I've already had it up to here with cold
Caawfield and we're only like ten games into the season
and like ten minutes into his career. So I mean,
this guy has not just done this to the Kraken.
I mean how special the player are we looking at it?
I mean he's so tiny and yet man is he
fast and skilled and relentless.

Speaker 8 (01:14:26):
Yeah, I mean we talked a little bit about that
in the postgame. You know, as far as Joey Decord goes,
who has played well over the last two well since
the beginning of the season, and I think that between
the third goal that Montreal scored and maybe the overtime goal,
which one would he probably want to have back. Well,
he'd say both, obviously. But the third goal was a

(01:14:47):
one timer that kind of snuck through his five hole.
He'd probably say I could have gotten more square to
that shot and maybe had that save. In the case
of the overtime goal by col Cawfield, like that is
a goal scorers goal. It comes down that left side.
He fakes like he's cutting to the front, he fakes
like he's going around the back of the net for
a wrap around, and then he stuffs it between the

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post and Joey Decord's pad Like that, that's an elite
goal scorers goal. So if I'm a goaltender, if I
got to get beat, I guess that's the way you've
got to beat me. It never feels good though either way.

Speaker 5 (01:15:18):
Yeah, I'm with you, And yeah, I mean I know
that in today's game, you know you're not going to
just run one keeper out there every single time. The
Cord has started just about every single game, and yet
they the other two Grooby and the one game that
Murray played in they lost those. I mean, is there
a giant difference or is this too early of a
sample size to be deciding whether or not we have

(01:15:39):
a legit one and maybe a number two, or is
it just too early to decide that.

Speaker 8 (01:15:45):
Yeah, Bucky, I would say that that Joey Decord is
the number one right now. He's going to play the
majority of the games this season, you know, barn any
other health issues or something like that. I think the
big question mark is who is the number two. Both
Grubau and Murray have both played games so far. I
don't think they would say they were their best games,
but I think that you're going to see them get

(01:16:06):
another opportunity here where we're going to be into the
month of November, Saturday Night versus the Rangers and sometimes
in the probably in the first half of November, You're
gonna see them both get a game again. And I
think how they play in those games might answer that question.

Speaker 6 (01:16:21):
Who the backup is to Joey Decord.

Speaker 1 (01:16:23):
Al Kaniski is with us. He'll be with us every
Wednesday this year usually works out that way. Color analysts
for your Seattle Cracking right here on the flagship Sports
Radio ninety three point three KJRFM. Well, let's use some
time on Brandon Montour because that was one of the
most complete games that he's played this year, maybe he's

(01:16:43):
played since he put on a crack in uniform, even
though he had some great games a year ago. But
for him to come off the sadness in his personal life,
you can understand why he might have been a little
bit of a hockey rut. But he came out of
it last night and he was sensational.

Speaker 3 (01:17:01):
Wow.

Speaker 8 (01:17:03):
Yeah, I mean, just over a week ago, he lost
his brother to als, and you know, it's got to
be devastating for him and his family. But I think
that you know, he's done a good job of trying
to compartmentalize his time with his family and getting back
to his team. And I think getting back to his
team has helped him, you know, probably feel a little
bit stronger, and you know, everybody in that locker room

(01:17:24):
supports him and has given him space. Like he could
have had a crappy game last night, and I think
everybody has said, yeah, I mean I'm not surprised, but
he goes out and puts two goals in the net,
gets a helper his plus two four shots on goal,
like he you know, second start of the game, and
for a guy that's been dealing with that that. That
is so impressive. It's a leader in the locker room,
and I think the guys really respect the way he

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came and played last night.

Speaker 1 (01:17:48):
Don't play again until Saturday, kind of an extra day off.
Could the team use that right now?

Speaker 6 (01:17:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (01:17:54):
Yeah, absolutely. I mean, you got Jared McCann still out,
you got Coppo, although I have a he might be
back Saturday night. I mean, you know, we're Wednesday, Thursday,
Friday without a game, and then Saturday his former team
comes to town. I've got to believe he's had that
circle on the calendar for a while and he's gonna
want to play in that. It's the return of Will Morgan,

(01:18:16):
who has traded to the Rangers last year. So a
couple of good storylines there for Saturday. But yeah, I mean,
I listen, guys. If the playoffs started today, Seattle six
in the Western Conference, the second and behind second behind
Vegas in the Pacific Division. It's crazy to think that
who would make the playoffs today and who wouldn't. I mean,
Tampa Bay would be out of the playoffs right now

(01:18:38):
if they start today. So it's always fun to look
at that. We're only ten games into the season, though,
lots of work to be done, lots of changes will
happen between now and then. But yeah, Saturday, they're going
to wear their alternates, their third alternate jersey that's been
out in the market. They're glowing the dark stuff. So
that's going to be exciting. It's gonna be fun game Saturday.

Speaker 1 (01:18:58):
Bucky and I have one. Yeah, should we wear them Friday?

Speaker 3 (01:19:02):
Thank you?

Speaker 10 (01:19:04):
Guys, show the lights out and just kind of oh
yeah all the time they look like, yeah, yeah, we
play hide and go seek in the dark.

Speaker 5 (01:19:09):
We always find it hide and go seek. It's terrible sweater,
I've come to find out.

Speaker 1 (01:19:13):
Yeah, and yeah, we keep playing over and over and over,
very right.

Speaker 7 (01:19:17):
I keep telling them, but they can't find me because
I'm in the dark.

Speaker 8 (01:19:21):
I told this to every dinner day. You know where
they make new sweaters right where New Jersey, New Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:19:35):
Your kids, that's why he's the best color man of
the business.

Speaker 5 (01:19:37):
People right there, Jersey. I get it.

Speaker 1 (01:19:40):
Well, enjoy a little extra time off this week at home,
which is even extra valuable. Uh, and then we'll be
listening on Saturday night, sir.

Speaker 8 (01:19:49):
I'm gonna see you guys in person next week. Plan
on it.

Speaker 1 (01:19:52):
Okay, yeah, I'll coming in. Well, where are going in
the dark jerseys?

Speaker 5 (01:19:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:19:58):
Nothing else. Al Niskey joining us right here on the
Chuck and Buck in the morning again Saturdays. The next
game against the Rangers at Climate Pledge Arena, they'll drop
the puck at seven o'clock. So yeah, a little couple
extra days off here, and that's good. He's been playing
a lot of hockey so far this young season. All right,
Coming up next, we close out our Wednesday show with

(01:20:21):
one last thing. Sports Radio ninety three point three kJ
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