November 20, 2025 • 36 mins
Alert! Alert! We are only ONE WEEK away from Thanksgiving and only two of us are prepared! It’s hard to believe that just 7 months ago, people were debating whether Cam Ward or Shadeur Sanders would go first in the draft and now, here we are in November and Shadeur is getting his first start for the Browns. :30- ICYMI: Jerry Dipoto Dipoto joined the show yesterday to give us the lowdown on the re-signing of Josh Naylor and whether or not they plan to keep Suarez and Polanco as well. :45- The Hawks may have a serious issue at guard and while the Titans should be a winnable game, we don’t want to mess around with holes in the O-Line.
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the hell does end?
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to lower lower your expectations.
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I'm getting some Bucky Jacobson vibes and former I'll just
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Speaker 5 (01:33):
Jet am I Lucky. Well you're first, so you're Lucky.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
I'm not on that show. On that show you Nucky? Yeah, okay,
I get Nucky. It's like an old like uh you
know mafia name.
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Oh yeah, we'll mess with Knukie or you'll get the
Knucky's sandwich.
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Have you not seen these? I have apparently they're everywhere.
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Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Well, anyway, now cat's out of the bag.
Speaker 7 (02:11):
Yess.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Well, good morning to you. Ashley, Ryan is here, Lucky
Jacobson and Knuckie Powell as well. Whoops. As we get
things started here on a Thursday, we take it till
ten o'clock this morning. Uh, and we've got the round
table and so much more to a breakdown today. You
do know, I mean here we sit on a Thursday.
We are one week away from Thanksgiving. Are you too prepared? No,
(02:34):
you are not prepared. It's probably important that you be prepared.
I think your family relies on you a lot. Ashley.
Speaker 6 (02:41):
Yeah, I host it. Yeah, I haven't figured out yet.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Five iron's gonna get stuff done. No chance. You know
why you're not prepared?
Speaker 9 (02:48):
Why because you started preparing for Christmas already.
Speaker 6 (02:51):
I haven't haven't even prepared for Christmas.
Speaker 9 (02:53):
You got a Christmas tree up?
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Nope, I do.
Speaker 10 (02:55):
I've got no Christmas decorations up at all. It's the Yeah,
usually I have winter decorations. By now, I've done nothing,
literally nothing.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
I even have a Christmas present under the truth.
Speaker 6 (03:04):
To you, I love that. I'm so jealous.
Speaker 9 (03:07):
That is just wrong.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
So you better damn well be prepared for Thanksgiving? Oh fully, okay,
fully fully fully?
Speaker 1 (03:16):
But are you yeah? Well, I mean, are you just
gonna wild turkey the night of the day. Yeah, I
didn't know if you were. Just like, don't worry, Kate,
I'm a real dead eye, new head out at the
dark and early on Thursday morn.
Speaker 6 (03:33):
No Nnkei's on the case old.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Uh old butcher shop.
Speaker 5 (03:37):
It's actually a family of my high school girlfriend runs
the old Hermiston butcher shop called Follet Meats.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
That right, and they you almost married a butcher's butchers.
Speaker 6 (03:49):
Imagine your life if you were just living in.
Speaker 5 (03:52):
I saw that man every time I went over the
house because it's right beside their house and he come
wandering over with a like an apron on, just bloody
butcher knife in his hand. I'm not going to make
out with your girlfriend not near your home.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
On one hand, you are dating, or you're going to try
and have relations with a young woman whose dad owns
the sharpest cleavers in town. On the other hand, think
about all the meat you could have.
Speaker 6 (04:22):
That's all I was thinking of.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Yeah, ma'am, you meat.
Speaker 6 (04:28):
Screwed this up. Yeah, I love Kate all that free
meat exactly.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Just keep your pants if once you're married, he's not
going to come after you with him.
Speaker 9 (04:37):
Yeah, it's been.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
All about it. Yeah, and then grandkids. More meat.
Speaker 10 (04:40):
You would just have like seven meat fridges and freezers.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Uh huh having to lift a finger. Now look at you.
Now you got to go out on Thanksgiving morning and
shoot a turkey? Did I make that up to.
Speaker 5 (04:54):
Uh? You know I Actually it's just her. Her brother,
his son now runs the meat place, the butcher shop,
and he is smoking three.
Speaker 9 (05:06):
Turkeys and sending them up to me.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Well, they're so good.
Speaker 5 (05:10):
We had one last year and I said, why do
we only have this smoke turkey once a year? And
so now we're gonna, we're gonna we're gonna use two
at Thanksgiving and then have one frozen, and probably, you know,
a month later, we'll probably bust that one.
Speaker 6 (05:22):
Out again Christmas. Yeah, that's a good time.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
I love the uh I reading unto this. I love
the fact that had you married his daughter, the butcher
would have sent you probably the biggest Thanksgiving turkey every
year that he had in the shop. Oh yeah, but
I love it even more that because you didn't marry her,
he thanks you by giving you three turkeys.
Speaker 7 (05:51):
Weaved her way, and thank you, thank you for now,
thank you for I think there's a really good chance
that had that relationship last, and I might be working
at the butcher shop.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Oh how would you affair it as a butcher?
Speaker 9 (06:06):
I'd be as fine. Uh yeah, I would not have
liked it as much as I.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Like doing this. Yeah I know that.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
Yeah, well, slaughtering animals, I mean I don't get nearly.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
As bloody doing that as you do this. Yeah I
know that much.
Speaker 6 (06:19):
Yeah that is true.
Speaker 9 (06:21):
This is way more gory.
Speaker 7 (06:24):
Oh.
Speaker 10 (06:24):
I'm thinking about as the meat sticks I left in
my car and how I should have brought them up here.
Speaker 9 (06:28):
Oh oh, they make the best pepperoni.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Yeah, yeah, Is that all you've done for Thanksgiving? Five iron?
Will you please carve the meat stick? No, there would
be some dark meat, you know how much I like dark.
Speaker 6 (06:40):
I only have three meat six left. We won't to
have any for Thanksgiving be gone.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
I'm worried about you. You are usually better prepared than this.
You are what this sound. Let this warning ring in
your ears, Ryan, that you've got seven days to get
this thing together, and you do not want to be
shopping while all the latecomers, Johnny come laser shopping.
Speaker 6 (07:00):
And that's what I'm saying. You are right.
Speaker 10 (07:02):
I am worried like and I, of all of us,
I should not be unprepared because I start like I
host a Christmas music station that started on November first.
Speaker 6 (07:12):
Oh wow, So I have no excuse for not knowing.
I do a countdown to Thanksgiving and Christmas every darn day.
I know how far away it is. I've even talked.
Speaker 10 (07:20):
I've been looking upside dish recipes and things. I don't
know why, because I never go, I never veer. I
know exactly what I'm going to end up making. I
just haven't planned any of it yet.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
And you are also a woman, which we men rely
on very heavily to be responsible because it allows us
not to be.
Speaker 10 (07:37):
Maybe some that might be one of your guys's dumber decisions.
Speaker 6 (07:40):
Actually, you guys think we've got it all together or
are supposed to you? Oh man, yeah, we do.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Well. I don't know I would get cracking. I I
think I will seven days.
Speaker 10 (07:52):
Yeah, but I got friends Giving before that. I got
to come up with what I'm bringing.
Speaker 6 (07:55):
On Saturday, Devil Thanks.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
I do friends give? Oh yeah, is that like you
just get together and watch friends or you know.
Speaker 10 (08:05):
You're out a friend's house with like thirty friends. I
think I'm going to bring bowlonnais.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Oh that's the that's that discussion.
Speaker 10 (08:12):
Yeah, I think I'm gonna bring bolonnais because everyone else
swooped up all the other side dishes, So why not
bring something?
Speaker 6 (08:17):
Why not put a twist in Thanksgiving? Surprise everything.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
I think you're going to end up being the hit
for that idea. I think that maybe the Turkey gods,
the Thanksgiving gods may mock you, but you know, you know,
you'll be sitting back there with a smile on your
face as your dish is the first one empty.
Speaker 6 (08:33):
Okay, yeah, I'll take that.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (08:35):
And the nice thing is and then I'll probably if
I save some at home after I make it, then
we can have dinner for the next night.
Speaker 6 (08:40):
And I ain't got to cook.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Just went out to dinner last night with a you know,
and and gotten to know the staff at this particular
place a little bit. And so, uh, there's a husband
wife team that works there together. One's a bartender, one's
the server, and they're doing their Thanksgiving and they're doing ribs.
Oh see, yeah, they're doing just ribs, ribs and beer.
(09:02):
We do beef tenderlin every year for Thanksgiving. Yeah, and
she's a former chef, so she's making side dishes. And
I'm like that sounds like an amazing thing right there.
Speaker 10 (09:11):
Because people don't really care if there's turkey on the
table usually, yeah, just some of us do.
Speaker 6 (09:16):
Yeah turkey I too.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
But yeah, I don't know. I don't want to trust.
First of all, I don't want to put that on.
Speaker 10 (09:24):
Yeah, I'm the only one that would eat it, and
nobody else cares about it, so I just don't make it.
Speaker 9 (09:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Yeah, and uh, and if you do, screw it up, boy,
you you really Turkey's not.
Speaker 6 (09:33):
Good as a lot easier to cook a tender loin.
Speaker 5 (09:36):
That's the beauty of this one is you get it.
It's as you already cook, just ye warm it up. Yeah,
and you can even Yeah I.
Speaker 6 (09:43):
Didn't almost marry a butcher's daughter though, Well.
Speaker 9 (09:46):
The connection should have you messed up on that one.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
You can like debone it beforehand while it's cold, because
that's the hard Part's like, you know, when it's hot
and you're burning your fingers try to get it all
carved up. You can do it beforehand and then just
throw that in and just warm it up. And oh,
I just love the leftover spart too. Basically, yeah, I'm
gonna basically have turkey from now through like two weeks
(10:08):
after Christmas.
Speaker 10 (10:09):
Okay, I'm not, but I did see something that there's
a new sauce that's like leftover gravy that you can
use for your left your day after turkey sandwich.
Speaker 6 (10:20):
It's like a squeezable gravy.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Oh really, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 6 (10:24):
Might be good?
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Might be? I would imagine it's not very good for you.
Probably is it called heart attack?
Speaker 6 (10:32):
That's that's what they call good for you?
Speaker 9 (10:35):
But who cares?
Speaker 1 (10:37):
All right, well, anyway, this let this serve as a
warning to you all. We are just still one week
away from actual Thanksgiving Day. And despite the fact that
I am prepared, that was actually kind of as I
was thinking about that this morning, like wow, one week
away from Thanksgiving.
Speaker 9 (10:53):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
And football of course a huge part about that. And
and for some people, you know, I think back to
Draftmas as we get close here to Thanksgiving, as we
get ready for Seahawks Titans this week, and how cam
Ward kind of overtook Remember remember remember last Draftmas when
(11:18):
when cam Ward and Shador Sanders were once in a
conversation about who's going to be the number one overall pick?
Speaker 9 (11:27):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
And then we finally got to draft Day and cam
Ward was the number one pick and Shador Sanders slips
all the way to the fifth round. Well, for the
first time, they're going to be starting on the same
day of the National Football League. We'll be facing cam
Ward the number one pick out of Miami slash Washington State,
(11:49):
and Shadoor Sanders makes his debut as a starter out
of complete necessity. It just goes to show you in
the National Football League, my goodness, I mean, remember way
back at the beginning of the year. It's a dream
within a dream. I like this, remember the beginning of
(12:09):
the year when the Browns like, what are they gonna
do with all those quarterbacks? They've got five of them
on the roster and the fifth one is going to
start this week because everybody else has been injured or traded,
and so you, I guess you can't have enough quarterbacks.
But Shador Sanders is finally going to get his start
(12:30):
in the National Football League, and I'm I'm actually so
happy about it, Like, let's see what the kid can play,
because I don't know if I have ever come across
a prospect that has created more polarizing analysis than Shador Sanders.
The people that believe in him are so angry of
(12:52):
the way he's been treated and he hasn't been allowed
to play to this point, and the people that hate
him are so angry about his attitude and his preparation
and the fact that he thought that he should just
be ushered to the front of the line. I like
to believe that I'm somewhere in the middle, but I
am feeling like I am one of the few. It
(13:14):
feels like you just are either angry at Shador and
want to see him crash and burn, or you're on
the other side and you think that it's undoubtedly he's
the best quarterback in this class, and he's been screwed
over by Cleveland and Stefanski and they've totally botched this
and the league's conspiring against the Sanders family. Hey, it
(13:35):
is really extreme, and so finally we're gonna get some
evidence as to whether or not this guy can play
at the professional level. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (13:41):
I mean, and I gave, you know, basically kind of
throw away the fact how we played last week when
he hasn't had any reps to really work with people.
When he gets to come in, so you know, he
throws a pick and it didn't look good necessarily, But
now he's gonna have a week and I just think
it still should be tempered to some degree. I think
those that I suppose if you're on that end of
(14:02):
the spectrum where you think he's the greatest and he's
been screwed and everybody's conspiring against him, well then you
kind of got to stand on business and expect him
to go out there and just turn around the Cleveland
Browns offense.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Well, those are the same people that think dude wise,
Dylan Gabriel, look at him. He's out there and he's terrible,
and he's like, well, he's gonna be playing with the
same grip that Shador is going. So that's what I'm
saying this is, I don't hold anything against him last
week because that was I gotta check in. I didn't
practice with the ones as my first start ever. I mean,
we have a bad team. But this week you actually
(14:37):
do get to compare Shadoor Sanders at least against Dylan Gabriel.
And so for those that were critical of Dylan Gabriel
this entire time, and he shouldn't be starting, well, to
save your face, not Chadors, but to save your face,
he better be damn good on.
Speaker 5 (14:53):
Sunday against the Raiders. Yeah, and good luck, because you're right,
I don't think you get to switch out. I don't
think he gets to bring, you know, pick, choose some
players he wants to surround himself with. You get the
same group of dudes that have only found a way
to win two games this season, And so.
Speaker 9 (15:07):
I mean I'm interested.
Speaker 5 (15:09):
I mean I would say that because of all of
the hoop law that surrounded from Draft miss, which basically
kicked it off until now the rise and fall during
the draft, and then all of a sudden, the weirdness
that was the Cleveland Browns and the fact that they
took two quarterbacks in the draft and have old guys
in front of them and they're trading dudes and just
(15:29):
all everything that they did at that position to now
find yourself with seven games left, and I mean I
was thinking to myself, like, how are you even going
to find out who, if any of these guys are
the guys right? Because they were going to be so
far down on the depth chart and yet now you're
finding out No. Not, I mean, it's not like you're
getting to all right, we got two games left in
(15:50):
the season, we're out of it. We just got to
see what shouduor Sanders can do. I mean Shoudouer Sanders
for him. To me, I would think this is the
way you would have painted it once the draft went
the way that it went. This is the way you
would have kind of hoped, not that you're hoping for
injuries necessarily, but this is the way you would have
drawn it up as all right, Well, hopefully I get
my opportunity, Hopefully it's with enough time left in the
(16:12):
season to where if I go out there and I
just show you, guys all made a mistake the NFL,
you made a mistake letting me slip to the fifth round,
then all of a sudden you get to kind of
rewrite whatever your story is. So here's your opportunity, kid,
good luck because you don't have a great team around you.
But he can still walk there and play well enough
to say this is my job.
Speaker 10 (16:31):
Yeah, definitely intrigued to watch it, and I'm I think
I am with you.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
I'm not.
Speaker 6 (16:35):
I don't hate him, I don't love him.
Speaker 10 (16:36):
Yeah, so that's what I'm saying, I'm with you, kind
of in that middle ground, yep, where yeah, I've been
consistent with that.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (16:42):
Well, I'm intrigued and I want to see. I mean,
first of all, I don't want anyone. I don't want
most people to fail. I don't want to say I
don't want anyone to fail. There are some people I
want to fail, but I don't want him to fail
by any means. And so if he could come out
and do what and be successful after being the fifth
round pick, and you know, having all of that, which
I would assume or hope humbled him a little bit
(17:03):
because that was the My main issue with him is
you're acting like you've been there before and you haven't.
And he got slapped down for yeah exactly. So I
I mean, we've heard about in training camp that his death.
He was like, no, Dad, I don't want you to
come here, like I got to do this on my own.
So I think he's in a better place. So I
am intrigued to see how he does.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Yeah, well, I to me, I mean, considering how this
much this has been discussed, and it has been discussed
way too much for a guy fourth on the depth
chart at the beginning of training camp, entirely too much.
I don't even understand what the big argument about is about.
(17:42):
It's really very clear Trador Sanders was not viewed by
teams as a no doubt face of the franchise first
round draft pick. You know, pour ourselves into this. He wasn't.
The NFL didn't evaluate him that way. So if you
are an NFL evaluator, if you're a draft evaluator, you
(18:04):
missed on this one. So the milk Kuipers of the
world just need to own it. Hugh Millen came on
our show during Draft mess. He had it nailed. I
just don't see a first round draft pick. But he
also didn't see a fifth round draft. He was expecting
should order to go certainly on day number two and
probably earlier than later. And so the fact that he
slipped to the fifth is because of all the things
(18:26):
that you said. We can't have somebody that came into
the league blew off interviews, thinks he's entitled to the position.
You know, has monogram pillows, when he hasn't even completed
a pass, and we're going to put him in a
backup role because that's a distraction. And so he went
from you're not good enough for us to take you
(18:48):
with a first round pick because we just don't convince
that you got face of the franchise. I mean, you
might have them, but we just aren't convinced you've got
face of the franchise kind of stuff to your game.
And yet there's no way he was as bad as
a fifth round pick. He suffered that indignity because of
(19:08):
the way that he treated the process, and that team's thought,
I don't want him as a backup either, because backup,
I don't need my backup to be a distraction. And
he's been a distraction. He's been nothing but a distraction
through no fault of his own, really, or for through
little fault of his own since he got to Cleveland.
So I think it's a very clear case, and I
(19:29):
don't know why there's the anger on both sides. I
think you're both wrong, Frankly and us here in the middle,
I think have the better grasp of it. All right,
let's find out what's on tap for the rest of
the show. What's on TEP?
Speaker 9 (19:45):
What's on TEP?
Speaker 1 (19:46):
All right, Seahawks Titans this Sunday at ten am. Twelfth
Man Round Table comes your way today from eight to nine,
so an hour with Greg and Hughes will break it
all down for you. The week in the National Football
League starts tonight Buffalo Bills taking on the Houston te
CJ Stroud missing another game for the Houston Texans. There
have battled back to five hundred, but they still have
a ways to go to become a playoff team. Mike
(20:09):
Sande will join us today at nine point thirty to
discuss it. We'll also discuss with him Joe Burrow, who
might start this week for the Cincinnati Bengals. As a
matter of fact, it feels like he's going to start
this week for the National Football League. He wasn't just
a participant in practice yesterday, he was a full participant
in practice yesterday. And Joe Flacco actually might be the
(20:31):
more injured of the two quarterbacks. So Joe Burrow might
start this week for the Cincinnati Bengals. College football soft
field drop by at seven oh five, we'll talk Huskies
in UCLA. Krackner in Chicago today to take on another
baby face superstar in the National Hockey League, Connor Badard,
the red Hot Connor Badard and the Chicago Blackhawks and
the stove. Well, it is already a cooking. Another trade,
(20:56):
not all that significant last night, but significant enough that
we're starting to get like a move a day in
Major League Baseball, which is a boy. It's like gluttony.
We don't get this much hot stove activity this early
in the process, not in the modern day.
Speaker 6 (21:12):
So the Thanksgiving feasts, I'm loving it.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
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Bag line of that show. Hell of a show. Not
to send you racing over to listen to it. Chuck
buck Ashley with you here on this Thursday. A lot
coming your way today, some Factor fiction, some Beat Bucky Today,
and more. But yesterday on our program, we were visited
by Jerry Depoto, president of baseball operations for the Seattle Mariners.
(22:21):
He joined us for a lengthy conversation at nine o'clock.
But you early risers may not have heard any of it,
and so we're going to do you a solid and
replace some of it for you, just in case you
missed it. Of course, this comes on the heel of
Josh Naylor the announcement that he is staying a Seattle
Mariner for the next five years at a cool ninety
(22:42):
two and a half million dollars over that stretch of time.
Right now, the organization seems to be writing a little
bit of a hot streak, and so it was good
to sit down yesterday and chat with Jerry, and we
certainly talked about Josh Naylor. We'll pick up the conversation
where Bucky asked Jerry Depoto how much of Naylor's character,
(23:05):
the grit, that team mentality came into the decision to
keep him a Mariner.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
It's recon it's picking up the phone. It's calling people
who've played with him that you may have connection to.
It's asking our players what they think. It's it's visiting
with you know, in this case, probably not super helpful,
visiting with the team he's currently playing for, because I
don't know how you know, reasonable you're going to get
you a description. But the guy's in Arizona. We're of
(23:35):
a particularly close relationship with Mike Hazen and Amil Sade
and and you know, Tory Lavulo and his crew are
are good with our people, and they had nothing but
great thing to say about Josh, and more importantly, his
time in Cleveland. He was there a long time. You know,
we also have good relationships with the people there, and
(23:56):
and we're able to kind of get a better look
under the hood at what Josh was about. But even
just on the surface, the things that attracted us to
him in the first place, where is it intensity? The
IQ which if you watch him play, you know, for
any more than a day or two, it just jumps
out at you. And you know, we needed a player
(24:17):
who brought a little edge, and we got so much
more than the edge. You know, what he does in
terms of lifting teammates, you know, baseball education in the clubhouse.
It's he eats it and sleeps it and drinks it
and he can talk it. And his teammates respect him
because of what he puts into it and how much
he puts out. You know, it's a the effort level
(24:39):
is extreme and he never lets up. I think the
way he would like to be, you know, classified as
a player, I think is just as a winner. And
and I could not agree more with that description of Josh.
He's he just brings it every day.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Got great fancy shoes to Jerry Depoto. American baseball player
is with us here on Chuck and Buck in the
morning Sports Radio ninety three point three k a r FM. Well,
I know a lot of people think that. I mean,
you've announced it that our priorities is try to keep
some of the guys that are our own that are
entering into free agency. I've been operating under the belief
(25:18):
that that's probably Naylor and then Polonco or Sworez. But
justin kind of said yesterday that maybe it's Polanco and Sworez.
I mean, what kind of chance are you going to
give us that all three of those guys will be
back in Mariner uniforms next year?
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Well, a lot has to go right, you know, frankly
for that to happen, and you know, including markets and
trends and forces working in our favor. But we would
love them all to be back. And you know, at
various stages in our season, each one of those guys
you could prop up as a hero. And you know,
and I do think from beginning to end, Jorge Polanco's
(25:57):
season press was really super under and you know, obviously
the big hits in the postseason and and you know,
the things that he did in October were notable. But
you know, from from really opening day on one of
the most consistent offensive players we had all year long.
High contact. Didn't punch, it was he provided power. It
(26:18):
was about as well balanced left and right as you
could be. And he proved very good at handling the dhrol,
which isn't something a lot of guys naturally gravitate toward.
And you know, while Gino didn't hit for a high
average after we acquired him at the deadline, we know
what Geno brings and he did deliver the pop and
more importantly, he delivers leadership and he brings people together.
Speaker 9 (26:41):
You know.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
But again a lot of things would have to go
right for us to keep the whole band together. But
we're going to do our best to make sure well,
just to make sure we continue to grow and get
better as a team, regardless of whod blocks in the door.
Speaker 9 (26:53):
Next.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Jerry Depoto, President of Baseball Operations. It's a twenty minute conversation.
If you want to check it out, do so at
our website three three kjr dot com. You can just
download the entire podcast listen to the entire four hour
show yesterday if you want. But if you want to
isolate Jerry's conversation, I think it's well worth checking into
We covered a lot of ground, but let's start where
(27:15):
we finished that little segment, and that is with Polanco
and Suarez. I mean, it's a nice idea. I would
like it. Obviously, this is an organization that has a
bit of a self imposed salary cap, even though there's
not one in Major League Baseball. After Justin said that
(27:35):
all three guys, bringing all three guys back is something
that thereafter that was a bit encouraging. But I don't
feel encouraged that we're gonna bring them all back based
off of that response we got from Jerry yesterday. When
when an executive says a whole lot's going to have
to go right for that to happen, I kind of
(27:56):
am gonna go back to what I felt initially coming
out of the season. I think we're gonna end up
with two of those three guys, and I think I'd
be happy with that.
Speaker 5 (28:03):
Yeah, I think so too. I mean, the idea that
they're not closing the door on it, well, that's good.
I mean I'm not against that. At the same time,
I mean, when you start saying a lot of things
would have to work in our favor with markets, So
that's talking about like what other people are willing to
play pay for Gino and Polonko and trends, and I mean, yeah,
(28:24):
he's I think he pretty much painted as yeah, it's
a long shot to get all three of them, and
yet that's fine. I mean, I don't think you necessarily
have to do Gino. You don't have to do Polonco either,
but if you don't, then that is a place you
have to address elsewhere. It just as a matter of
how much is he going to ask for? You know,
he turned down the six million dollars or whatever, the
(28:46):
basically the player option that he would have had after
this year. That was basically a way of saying, hey,
if you come in and you rebound to some extent
from your poor twenty twenty four, we'll give you another
chance to do it again. But if you if you
basically if you come in and do what he did,
which is have a really really good season and it
was somewhat under the radar, I think for a lot
(29:06):
of people, then you can walk and go get more
money somewhere else and hopefully they're really willing to pony
up to bring him back.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Some of the other headlines that I probably should highlight
he did hint at getting a proven relief pitcher, a
little more proven of a relief pitcher. I did ask
him point blank about whether or not he's going to
move high salaried players in order to create salary to
maybe invest in a new face or two. He sort
(29:34):
of shot that completely down by saying, well, you're not
really running it back if you don't run it back.
Was kind of what he said as I was hinting
about maybe Luis Castillo trade this offseason. I think that
I did get the impression, or at least to me,
it got my own opinion of what's going to happen
this offseason. I felt got validated. I don't expect a
(29:57):
lot of new faces this offseason. This is about trying
to retain as many guys as they can from the
team that they loved at the end of last year.
But I also got the impression that he did not
rule out a surprise or two this offseason as well.
And Jerry's act always been good for that sort of thing.
So it's going to be a very fascinating offseason. It's
(30:18):
already better than last year's offseason. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're
not even a Thanksgiving and.
Speaker 6 (30:23):
We're already happy.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Yeah, we're already happy. I mean, Josh Naylor is going
to be back, and that was certainly the biggest item.
That was the turkey on the table of our off
season feast aor ry coming up next. Do we have
a major, minor, or no problem at all at guard?
Here for the Seahawks Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM.
(30:58):
All right, Sophy joins us today at seven oh five,
which is usually Greg Bell's spot, So I'll have to
wait till eight o'clock this morning for our roundtable with
Hugh Millen to learn about the latest from Grey's Abel.
Get some jury updates from our Seahawks insider at eight
o'clock today. The rookie left guard who was not allowed
to sack this year, hell might even end up in
(31:19):
the Pro Bowl the way he's going this season. Of course,
it looked very bad on Sunday against the Rams, him
going down on the field, and you did at the
moment kind of fear the worst, not just fear the worst,
but I kind of suspected the worst. But we got
good news after the testing revealed that the damage was
(31:41):
not as bad, not nearly as bad as what it
looked like on the field, and we haven't got much
news since that time. He did not practice. He was
held out of practice recently and is their most recent practice.
So we don't know if Gray's Abel is going to
be able to start at left guard against the Tennessee
Titans or not. And if he doesn't, man, I mean,
(32:01):
you're looking at a really big guard issue. Because I'm
going to tell you something, I don't know how they've
masked it so well. Anthony Bradford's been a disaster on
the right side. And if you have to now start
Christian Haynes, which sounds like is the backup to Gray's Abel,
who couldn't even beat out Bradford at right guard, what
(32:21):
kind of what kind of holes Sam Donald gonna have
to operate behind? And as bad as the Tennessee Titans are,
Jeffrey Simmons ain't bad. That's one of the baddest man
men on the planet. And I don't want that guy
wrecking crap on Sunday in a game that we're supposed
to win by two touchdowns.
Speaker 9 (32:39):
Yeah, it could be a problem.
Speaker 5 (32:40):
I mean, you did that's one of the you know,
you just figure that the ripple effect if all of
a sudden, Simmons is able to push back one or
even two guys up the middle, and he's always in
Sam Donald's face. Now all of a sudden, I mean
it's something that the secondary gets the feed off of.
If all of a sudden they start recognizing, Wow, they
can't stop our dude from coming right up the middle.
(33:01):
I'm with you. I mean, it's uh, I've been saying it, well,
everybody's been saying it about Bradford, but I mean it's
it's his numbers are so I mean, it's pass blocking numbers.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Especially the videos that have been going around this week
about how lost he looked against the Rams, just getting
blown past and just like blocking air, it's lost.
Speaker 9 (33:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (33:21):
Oh, I've actually seen a couple of the like Baldi,
Brian Baldinger breakdowns about him that are good And I'm like, well,
I didn't see that play that was must have been
paying attention. Yeah, did you make that up?
Speaker 9 (33:35):
Baldinger.
Speaker 5 (33:36):
But I mean, I again, I don't trust the PFF rankings,
but you know, Hugh kind of explains how they started
like sixty right and then you go up and down.
I mean, Bradford's had a couple of games whereas pass
blocking is zero like zero, like, well, how do you
that means? Like thirty different times and you basically did
(33:57):
nothing right the entire time. I think that's where the
videos that you're talking about come from. That said, I mean,
he he grades out right around average or adequate, right
around sixty as far as his run blocking goes, but
he is bad, bad, And on the flip side, it's
actually the grades for grays Abel aren't all that stellar
in the run game, but they're unbelievable they're great in
(34:18):
the passing game. So if maybe that's how they've kind
of finagled this thing where they try to run behind
Bradford and then watch out for whoever's over him in
passing situations and and try to you know, if they
if they know that they're not going to get through
greys Abel as a pass rush, but maybe you can't
run that direction as much. I'm not sure how they're
doing it, but they have they found a way because
(34:38):
I think Bradford is a hole.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
Yeah. Well, and if if he's a hole, then his
then whoever's backing him up must Yeah, and we're without
Sundell at center, Timmy, Yeah, going with Ola with Timmy
and so I mean, just to leave a big, giant
gate in the middle of your offensive line when things
had been going so well. I mean, it's just this
is really important, even against the lowly Titans, that Gray's
(35:04):
abel plays this week. Not only am I not sitting
him out, I think it's important that he does play
in this game. I suppose if you are going to
miss a week with three guys out in the middle
of your offensive line, I guess you are facing the
right NFL team to do so, even though they do
have a legit crap wrecker in Jeffrey Simmons to steal
(35:25):
a Curtis Crabtree phrase and then the other thing. And
I am going to ask Greg about this at eight o'clock.
I know that they signed Josh Jones as a backup
tackle this offseason, but he looked really good in preseason,
like really good, like should we be playing Josh Jones good?
(35:48):
And I gotta believe he's got to have some guard
in him. He's got to be able to slide inside.
Maybe not, but we'll ask Greg Bell about that at
eight o'clock. I mean, if things look that bleak that
you're starting Christian Haynes who you just sort of gave
up on earlier this season. I wonder if a veteran
(36:08):
like Josh Jones could slide from tackle into guard. So
we'll talk with Greg and Hugh about that situation coming
up at eight o'clock today. Coming up next, though Headlines
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Jacobson and Knuckie Powell as well. Whoops. As we get
things started here on a Thursday, we take it till
ten o'clock this morning. Uh, and we've got the round
table and so much more to a breakdown today. You
do know, I mean here we sit on a Thursday.
We are one week away from Thanksgiving. Are you too prepared? No,
(02:34):
you are not prepared. It's probably important that you be prepared.
I think your family relies on you a lot. Ashley.
Speaker 6 (02:41):
Yeah, I host it. Yeah, I haven't figured out yet.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Five iron's gonna get stuff done. No chance. You know
why you're not prepared?
Speaker 9 (02:48):
Why because you started preparing for Christmas already.
Speaker 6 (02:51):
I haven't haven't even prepared for Christmas.
Speaker 9 (02:53):
You got a Christmas tree up?
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Nope, I do.
Speaker 10 (02:55):
I've got no Christmas decorations up at all. It's the Yeah,
usually I have winter decorations. By now, I've done nothing,
literally nothing.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
I even have a Christmas present under the truth.
Speaker 6 (03:04):
To you, I love that. I'm so jealous.
Speaker 9 (03:07):
That is just wrong.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
So you better damn well be prepared for Thanksgiving? Oh fully, okay,
fully fully fully?
Speaker 1 (03:16):
But are you yeah? Well, I mean, are you just
gonna wild turkey the night of the day. Yeah, I
didn't know if you were. Just like, don't worry, Kate,
I'm a real dead eye, new head out at the
dark and early on Thursday morn.
Speaker 6 (03:33):
No Nnkei's on the case old.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Uh old butcher shop.
Speaker 5 (03:37):
It's actually a family of my high school girlfriend runs
the old Hermiston butcher shop called Follet Meats.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
That right, and they you almost married a butcher's butchers.
Speaker 6 (03:49):
Imagine your life if you were just living in.
Speaker 5 (03:52):
I saw that man every time I went over the
house because it's right beside their house and he come
wandering over with a like an apron on, just bloody
butcher knife in his hand. I'm not going to make
out with your girlfriend not near your home.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
On one hand, you are dating, or you're going to try
and have relations with a young woman whose dad owns
the sharpest cleavers in town. On the other hand, think
about all the meat you could have.
Speaker 6 (04:22):
That's all I was thinking of.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Yeah, ma'am, you meat.
Speaker 6 (04:28):
Screwed this up. Yeah, I love Kate all that free
meat exactly.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Just keep your pants if once you're married, he's not
going to come after you with him.
Speaker 9 (04:37):
Yeah, it's been.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
All about it. Yeah, and then grandkids. More meat.
Speaker 10 (04:40):
You would just have like seven meat fridges and freezers.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Uh huh having to lift a finger. Now look at you.
Now you got to go out on Thanksgiving morning and
shoot a turkey? Did I make that up to.
Speaker 5 (04:54):
Uh? You know I Actually it's just her. Her brother,
his son now runs the meat place, the butcher shop,
and he is smoking three.
Speaker 9 (05:06):
Turkeys and sending them up to me.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Well, they're so good.
Speaker 5 (05:10):
We had one last year and I said, why do
we only have this smoke turkey once a year? And
so now we're gonna, we're gonna we're gonna use two
at Thanksgiving and then have one frozen, and probably, you know,
a month later, we'll probably bust that one.
Speaker 6 (05:22):
Out again Christmas. Yeah, that's a good time.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
I love the uh I reading unto this. I love
the fact that had you married his daughter, the butcher
would have sent you probably the biggest Thanksgiving turkey every
year that he had in the shop. Oh yeah, but
I love it even more that because you didn't marry her,
he thanks you by giving you three turkeys.
Speaker 7 (05:51):
Weaved her way, and thank you, thank you for now,
thank you for I think there's a really good chance
that had that relationship last, and I might be working
at the butcher shop.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Oh how would you affair it as a butcher?
Speaker 9 (06:06):
I'd be as fine. Uh yeah, I would not have
liked it as much as I.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Like doing this. Yeah I know that.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
Yeah, well, slaughtering animals, I mean I don't get nearly.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
As bloody doing that as you do this. Yeah I
know that much.
Speaker 6 (06:19):
Yeah that is true.
Speaker 9 (06:21):
This is way more gory.
Speaker 7 (06:24):
Oh.
Speaker 10 (06:24):
I'm thinking about as the meat sticks I left in
my car and how I should have brought them up here.
Speaker 9 (06:28):
Oh oh, they make the best pepperoni.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Yeah, yeah, Is that all you've done for Thanksgiving? Five iron?
Will you please carve the meat stick? No, there would
be some dark meat, you know how much I like dark.
Speaker 6 (06:40):
I only have three meat six left. We won't to
have any for Thanksgiving be gone.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
I'm worried about you. You are usually better prepared than this.
You are what this sound. Let this warning ring in
your ears, Ryan, that you've got seven days to get
this thing together, and you do not want to be
shopping while all the latecomers, Johnny come laser shopping.
Speaker 6 (07:00):
And that's what I'm saying. You are right.
Speaker 10 (07:02):
I am worried like and I, of all of us,
I should not be unprepared because I start like I
host a Christmas music station that started on November first.
Speaker 6 (07:12):
Oh wow, So I have no excuse for not knowing.
I do a countdown to Thanksgiving and Christmas every darn day.
I know how far away it is. I've even talked.
Speaker 10 (07:20):
I've been looking upside dish recipes and things. I don't
know why, because I never go, I never veer. I
know exactly what I'm going to end up making. I
just haven't planned any of it yet.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
And you are also a woman, which we men rely
on very heavily to be responsible because it allows us
not to be.
Speaker 10 (07:37):
Maybe some that might be one of your guys's dumber decisions.
Speaker 6 (07:40):
Actually, you guys think we've got it all together or
are supposed to you? Oh man, yeah, we do.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Well. I don't know I would get cracking. I I
think I will seven days.
Speaker 10 (07:52):
Yeah, but I got friends Giving before that. I got
to come up with what I'm bringing.
Speaker 6 (07:55):
On Saturday, Devil Thanks.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
I do friends give? Oh yeah, is that like you
just get together and watch friends or you know.
Speaker 10 (08:05):
You're out a friend's house with like thirty friends. I
think I'm going to bring bowlonnais.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Oh that's the that's that discussion.
Speaker 10 (08:12):
Yeah, I think I'm gonna bring bolonnais because everyone else
swooped up all the other side dishes, So why not
bring something?
Speaker 6 (08:17):
Why not put a twist in Thanksgiving? Surprise everything.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
I think you're going to end up being the hit
for that idea. I think that maybe the Turkey gods,
the Thanksgiving gods may mock you, but you know, you know,
you'll be sitting back there with a smile on your
face as your dish is the first one empty.
Speaker 6 (08:33):
Okay, yeah, I'll take that.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (08:35):
And the nice thing is and then I'll probably if
I save some at home after I make it, then
we can have dinner for the next night.
Speaker 6 (08:40):
And I ain't got to cook.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Just went out to dinner last night with a you know,
and and gotten to know the staff at this particular
place a little bit. And so, uh, there's a husband
wife team that works there together. One's a bartender, one's
the server, and they're doing their Thanksgiving and they're doing ribs.
Oh see, yeah, they're doing just ribs, ribs and beer.
(09:02):
We do beef tenderlin every year for Thanksgiving. Yeah, and
she's a former chef, so she's making side dishes. And
I'm like that sounds like an amazing thing right there.
Speaker 10 (09:11):
Because people don't really care if there's turkey on the
table usually, yeah, just some of us do.
Speaker 6 (09:16):
Yeah turkey I too.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
But yeah, I don't know. I don't want to trust.
First of all, I don't want to put that on.
Speaker 10 (09:24):
Yeah, I'm the only one that would eat it, and
nobody else cares about it, so I just don't make it.
Speaker 9 (09:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Yeah, and uh, and if you do, screw it up, boy,
you you really Turkey's not.
Speaker 6 (09:33):
Good as a lot easier to cook a tender loin.
Speaker 5 (09:36):
That's the beauty of this one is you get it.
It's as you already cook, just ye warm it up. Yeah,
and you can even Yeah I.
Speaker 6 (09:43):
Didn't almost marry a butcher's daughter though, Well.
Speaker 9 (09:46):
The connection should have you messed up on that one.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
You can like debone it beforehand while it's cold, because
that's the hard Part's like, you know, when it's hot
and you're burning your fingers try to get it all
carved up. You can do it beforehand and then just
throw that in and just warm it up. And oh,
I just love the leftover spart too. Basically, yeah, I'm
gonna basically have turkey from now through like two weeks
(10:08):
after Christmas.
Speaker 10 (10:09):
Okay, I'm not, but I did see something that there's
a new sauce that's like leftover gravy that you can
use for your left your day after turkey sandwich.
Speaker 6 (10:20):
It's like a squeezable gravy.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Oh really, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 6 (10:24):
Might be good?
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Might be? I would imagine it's not very good for you.
Probably is it called heart attack?
Speaker 6 (10:32):
That's that's what they call good for you?
Speaker 9 (10:35):
But who cares?
Speaker 1 (10:37):
All right, well, anyway, this let this serve as a
warning to you all. We are just still one week
away from actual Thanksgiving Day. And despite the fact that
I am prepared, that was actually kind of as I
was thinking about that this morning, like wow, one week
away from Thanksgiving.
Speaker 9 (10:53):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
And football of course a huge part about that. And
and for some people, you know, I think back to
Draftmas as we get close here to Thanksgiving, as we
get ready for Seahawks Titans this week, and how cam
Ward kind of overtook Remember remember remember last Draftmas when
(11:18):
when cam Ward and Shador Sanders were once in a
conversation about who's going to be the number one overall pick?
Speaker 9 (11:27):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
And then we finally got to draft Day and cam
Ward was the number one pick and Shador Sanders slips
all the way to the fifth round. Well, for the
first time, they're going to be starting on the same
day of the National Football League. We'll be facing cam
Ward the number one pick out of Miami slash Washington State,
(11:49):
and Shadoor Sanders makes his debut as a starter out
of complete necessity. It just goes to show you in
the National Football League, my goodness, I mean, remember way
back at the beginning of the year. It's a dream
within a dream. I like this, remember the beginning of
(12:09):
the year when the Browns like, what are they gonna
do with all those quarterbacks? They've got five of them
on the roster and the fifth one is going to
start this week because everybody else has been injured or traded,
and so you, I guess you can't have enough quarterbacks.
But Shador Sanders is finally going to get his start
(12:30):
in the National Football League, and I'm I'm actually so
happy about it, Like, let's see what the kid can play,
because I don't know if I have ever come across
a prospect that has created more polarizing analysis than Shador Sanders.
The people that believe in him are so angry of
(12:52):
the way he's been treated and he hasn't been allowed
to play to this point, and the people that hate
him are so angry about his attitude and his preparation
and the fact that he thought that he should just
be ushered to the front of the line. I like
to believe that I'm somewhere in the middle, but I
am feeling like I am one of the few. It
(13:14):
feels like you just are either angry at Shador and
want to see him crash and burn, or you're on
the other side and you think that it's undoubtedly he's
the best quarterback in this class, and he's been screwed
over by Cleveland and Stefanski and they've totally botched this
and the league's conspiring against the Sanders family. Hey, it
(13:35):
is really extreme, and so finally we're gonna get some
evidence as to whether or not this guy can play
at the professional level. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (13:41):
I mean, and I gave, you know, basically kind of
throw away the fact how we played last week when
he hasn't had any reps to really work with people.
When he gets to come in, so you know, he
throws a pick and it didn't look good necessarily, But
now he's gonna have a week and I just think
it still should be tempered to some degree. I think
those that I suppose if you're on that end of
(14:02):
the spectrum where you think he's the greatest and he's
been screwed and everybody's conspiring against him, well then you
kind of got to stand on business and expect him
to go out there and just turn around the Cleveland
Browns offense.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Well, those are the same people that think dude wise,
Dylan Gabriel, look at him. He's out there and he's terrible,
and he's like, well, he's gonna be playing with the
same grip that Shador is going. So that's what I'm
saying this is, I don't hold anything against him last
week because that was I gotta check in. I didn't
practice with the ones as my first start ever. I mean,
we have a bad team. But this week you actually
(14:37):
do get to compare Shadoor Sanders at least against Dylan Gabriel.
And so for those that were critical of Dylan Gabriel
this entire time, and he shouldn't be starting, well, to
save your face, not Chadors, but to save your face,
he better be damn good on.
Speaker 5 (14:53):
Sunday against the Raiders. Yeah, and good luck, because you're right,
I don't think you get to switch out. I don't
think he gets to bring, you know, pick, choose some
players he wants to surround himself with. You get the
same group of dudes that have only found a way
to win two games this season, And so.
Speaker 9 (15:07):
I mean I'm interested.
Speaker 5 (15:09):
I mean I would say that because of all of
the hoop law that surrounded from Draft miss, which basically
kicked it off until now the rise and fall during
the draft, and then all of a sudden, the weirdness
that was the Cleveland Browns and the fact that they
took two quarterbacks in the draft and have old guys
in front of them and they're trading dudes and just
(15:29):
all everything that they did at that position to now
find yourself with seven games left, and I mean I
was thinking to myself, like, how are you even going
to find out who, if any of these guys are
the guys right? Because they were going to be so
far down on the depth chart and yet now you're
finding out No. Not, I mean, it's not like you're
getting to all right, we got two games left in
(15:50):
the season, we're out of it. We just got to
see what shouduor Sanders can do. I mean Shoudouer Sanders
for him. To me, I would think this is the
way you would have painted it once the draft went
the way that it went. This is the way you
would have kind of hoped, not that you're hoping for
injuries necessarily, but this is the way you would have
drawn it up as all right, Well, hopefully I get
my opportunity, Hopefully it's with enough time left in the
(16:12):
season to where if I go out there and I
just show you, guys all made a mistake the NFL,
you made a mistake letting me slip to the fifth round,
then all of a sudden you get to kind of
rewrite whatever your story is. So here's your opportunity, kid,
good luck because you don't have a great team around you.
But he can still walk there and play well enough
to say this is my job.
Speaker 10 (16:31):
Yeah, definitely intrigued to watch it, and I'm I think
I am with you.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
I'm not.
Speaker 6 (16:35):
I don't hate him, I don't love him.
Speaker 10 (16:36):
Yeah, so that's what I'm saying, I'm with you, kind
of in that middle ground, yep, where yeah, I've been
consistent with that.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (16:42):
Well, I'm intrigued and I want to see. I mean,
first of all, I don't want anyone. I don't want
most people to fail. I don't want to say I
don't want anyone to fail. There are some people I
want to fail, but I don't want him to fail
by any means. And so if he could come out
and do what and be successful after being the fifth
round pick, and you know, having all of that, which
I would assume or hope humbled him a little bit
(17:03):
because that was the My main issue with him is
you're acting like you've been there before and you haven't.
And he got slapped down for yeah exactly. So I
I mean, we've heard about in training camp that his death.
He was like, no, Dad, I don't want you to
come here, like I got to do this on my own.
So I think he's in a better place. So I
am intrigued to see how he does.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Yeah, well, I to me, I mean, considering how this
much this has been discussed, and it has been discussed
way too much for a guy fourth on the depth
chart at the beginning of training camp, entirely too much.
I don't even understand what the big argument about is about.
(17:42):
It's really very clear Trador Sanders was not viewed by
teams as a no doubt face of the franchise first
round draft pick. You know, pour ourselves into this. He wasn't.
The NFL didn't evaluate him that way. So if you
are an NFL evaluator, if you're a draft evaluator, you
(18:04):
missed on this one. So the milk Kuipers of the
world just need to own it. Hugh Millen came on
our show during Draft mess. He had it nailed. I
just don't see a first round draft pick. But he
also didn't see a fifth round draft. He was expecting
should order to go certainly on day number two and
probably earlier than later. And so the fact that he
slipped to the fifth is because of all the things
(18:26):
that you said. We can't have somebody that came into
the league blew off interviews, thinks he's entitled to the position.
You know, has monogram pillows, when he hasn't even completed
a pass, and we're going to put him in a
backup role because that's a distraction. And so he went
from you're not good enough for us to take you
(18:48):
with a first round pick because we just don't convince
that you got face of the franchise. I mean, you
might have them, but we just aren't convinced you've got
face of the franchise kind of stuff to your game.
And yet there's no way he was as bad as
a fifth round pick. He suffered that indignity because of
(19:08):
the way that he treated the process, and that team's thought,
I don't want him as a backup either, because backup,
I don't need my backup to be a distraction. And
he's been a distraction. He's been nothing but a distraction
through no fault of his own, really, or for through
little fault of his own since he got to Cleveland.
So I think it's a very clear case, and I
(19:29):
don't know why there's the anger on both sides. I
think you're both wrong, Frankly and us here in the middle,
I think have the better grasp of it. All right,
let's find out what's on tap for the rest of
the show. What's on TEP?
Speaker 9 (19:45):
What's on TEP?
Speaker 1 (19:46):
All right, Seahawks Titans this Sunday at ten am. Twelfth
Man Round Table comes your way today from eight to nine,
so an hour with Greg and Hughes will break it
all down for you. The week in the National Football
League starts tonight Buffalo Bills taking on the Houston te
CJ Stroud missing another game for the Houston Texans. There
have battled back to five hundred, but they still have
a ways to go to become a playoff team. Mike
(20:09):
Sande will join us today at nine point thirty to
discuss it. We'll also discuss with him Joe Burrow, who
might start this week for the Cincinnati Bengals. As a
matter of fact, it feels like he's going to start
this week for the National Football League. He wasn't just
a participant in practice yesterday, he was a full participant
in practice yesterday. And Joe Flacco actually might be the
(20:31):
more injured of the two quarterbacks. So Joe Burrow might
start this week for the Cincinnati Bengals. College football soft
field drop by at seven oh five, we'll talk Huskies
in UCLA. Krackner in Chicago today to take on another
baby face superstar in the National Hockey League, Connor Badard,
the red Hot Connor Badard and the Chicago Blackhawks and
the stove. Well, it is already a cooking. Another trade,
(20:56):
not all that significant last night, but significant enough that
we're starting to get like a move a day in
Major League Baseball, which is a boy. It's like gluttony.
We don't get this much hot stove activity this early
in the process, not in the modern day.
Speaker 6 (21:12):
So the Thanksgiving feasts, I'm loving it.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
And yesterday on the program, Jerry Depoto was our guest
in the nine o'clock hour. If you missed it, we're
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They say, that's that's the.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Bag line of that show. Hell of a show. Not
to send you racing over to listen to it. Chuck
buck Ashley with you here on this Thursday. A lot
coming your way today, some Factor fiction, some Beat Bucky Today,
and more. But yesterday on our program, we were visited
by Jerry Depoto, president of baseball operations for the Seattle Mariners.
(22:21):
He joined us for a lengthy conversation at nine o'clock.
But you early risers may not have heard any of it,
and so we're going to do you a solid and
replace some of it for you, just in case you
missed it. Of course, this comes on the heel of
Josh Naylor the announcement that he is staying a Seattle
Mariner for the next five years at a cool ninety
(22:42):
two and a half million dollars over that stretch of time.
Right now, the organization seems to be writing a little
bit of a hot streak, and so it was good
to sit down yesterday and chat with Jerry, and we
certainly talked about Josh Naylor. We'll pick up the conversation
where Bucky asked Jerry Depoto how much of Naylor's character,
(23:05):
the grit, that team mentality came into the decision to
keep him a Mariner.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
It's recon it's picking up the phone. It's calling people
who've played with him that you may have connection to.
It's asking our players what they think. It's it's visiting
with you know, in this case, probably not super helpful,
visiting with the team he's currently playing for, because I
don't know how you know, reasonable you're going to get
you a description. But the guy's in Arizona. We're of
(23:35):
a particularly close relationship with Mike Hazen and Amil Sade
and and you know, Tory Lavulo and his crew are
are good with our people, and they had nothing but
great thing to say about Josh, and more importantly, his
time in Cleveland. He was there a long time. You know,
we also have good relationships with the people there, and
(23:56):
and we're able to kind of get a better look
under the hood at what Josh was about. But even
just on the surface, the things that attracted us to
him in the first place, where is it intensity? The
IQ which if you watch him play, you know, for
any more than a day or two, it just jumps
out at you. And you know, we needed a player
(24:17):
who brought a little edge, and we got so much
more than the edge. You know, what he does in
terms of lifting teammates, you know, baseball education in the clubhouse.
It's he eats it and sleeps it and drinks it
and he can talk it. And his teammates respect him
because of what he puts into it and how much
he puts out. You know, it's a the effort level
(24:39):
is extreme and he never lets up. I think the
way he would like to be, you know, classified as
a player, I think is just as a winner. And
and I could not agree more with that description of Josh.
He's he just brings it every day.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Got great fancy shoes to Jerry Depoto. American baseball player
is with us here on Chuck and Buck in the
morning Sports Radio ninety three point three k a r FM. Well,
I know a lot of people think that. I mean,
you've announced it that our priorities is try to keep
some of the guys that are our own that are
entering into free agency. I've been operating under the belief
(25:18):
that that's probably Naylor and then Polonco or Sworez. But
justin kind of said yesterday that maybe it's Polanco and Sworez.
I mean, what kind of chance are you going to
give us that all three of those guys will be
back in Mariner uniforms next year?
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Well, a lot has to go right, you know, frankly
for that to happen, and you know, including markets and
trends and forces working in our favor. But we would
love them all to be back. And you know, at
various stages in our season, each one of those guys
you could prop up as a hero. And you know,
and I do think from beginning to end, Jorge Polanco's
(25:57):
season press was really super under and you know, obviously
the big hits in the postseason and and you know,
the things that he did in October were notable. But
you know, from from really opening day on one of
the most consistent offensive players we had all year long.
High contact. Didn't punch, it was he provided power. It
(26:18):
was about as well balanced left and right as you
could be. And he proved very good at handling the dhrol,
which isn't something a lot of guys naturally gravitate toward.
And you know, while Gino didn't hit for a high
average after we acquired him at the deadline, we know
what Geno brings and he did deliver the pop and
more importantly, he delivers leadership and he brings people together.
Speaker 9 (26:41):
You know.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
But again a lot of things would have to go
right for us to keep the whole band together. But
we're going to do our best to make sure well,
just to make sure we continue to grow and get
better as a team, regardless of whod blocks in the door.
Speaker 9 (26:53):
Next.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Jerry Depoto, President of Baseball Operations. It's a twenty minute conversation.
If you want to check it out, do so at
our website three three kjr dot com. You can just
download the entire podcast listen to the entire four hour
show yesterday if you want. But if you want to
isolate Jerry's conversation, I think it's well worth checking into
We covered a lot of ground, but let's start where
(27:15):
we finished that little segment, and that is with Polanco
and Suarez. I mean, it's a nice idea. I would
like it. Obviously, this is an organization that has a
bit of a self imposed salary cap, even though there's
not one in Major League Baseball. After Justin said that
(27:35):
all three guys, bringing all three guys back is something
that thereafter that was a bit encouraging. But I don't
feel encouraged that we're gonna bring them all back based
off of that response we got from Jerry yesterday. When
when an executive says a whole lot's going to have
to go right for that to happen, I kind of
(27:56):
am gonna go back to what I felt initially coming
out of the season. I think we're gonna end up
with two of those three guys, and I think I'd
be happy with that.
Speaker 5 (28:03):
Yeah, I think so too. I mean, the idea that
they're not closing the door on it, well, that's good.
I mean I'm not against that. At the same time,
I mean, when you start saying a lot of things
would have to work in our favor with markets, So
that's talking about like what other people are willing to
play pay for Gino and Polonko and trends, and I mean, yeah,
(28:24):
he's I think he pretty much painted as yeah, it's
a long shot to get all three of them, and
yet that's fine. I mean, I don't think you necessarily
have to do Gino. You don't have to do Polonco either,
but if you don't, then that is a place you
have to address elsewhere. It just as a matter of
how much is he going to ask for? You know,
he turned down the six million dollars or whatever, the
(28:46):
basically the player option that he would have had after
this year. That was basically a way of saying, hey,
if you come in and you rebound to some extent
from your poor twenty twenty four, we'll give you another
chance to do it again. But if you if you
basically if you come in and do what he did,
which is have a really really good season and it
was somewhat under the radar, I think for a lot
(29:06):
of people, then you can walk and go get more
money somewhere else and hopefully they're really willing to pony
up to bring him back.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Some of the other headlines that I probably should highlight
he did hint at getting a proven relief pitcher, a
little more proven of a relief pitcher. I did ask
him point blank about whether or not he's going to
move high salaried players in order to create salary to
maybe invest in a new face or two. He sort
(29:34):
of shot that completely down by saying, well, you're not
really running it back if you don't run it back.
Was kind of what he said as I was hinting
about maybe Luis Castillo trade this offseason. I think that
I did get the impression, or at least to me,
it got my own opinion of what's going to happen
this offseason. I felt got validated. I don't expect a
(29:57):
lot of new faces this offseason. This is about trying
to retain as many guys as they can from the
team that they loved at the end of last year.
But I also got the impression that he did not
rule out a surprise or two this offseason as well.
And Jerry's act always been good for that sort of thing.
So it's going to be a very fascinating offseason. It's
(30:18):
already better than last year's offseason. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're
not even a Thanksgiving and.
Speaker 6 (30:23):
We're already happy.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Yeah, we're already happy. I mean, Josh Naylor is going
to be back, and that was certainly the biggest item.
That was the turkey on the table of our off
season feast aor ry coming up next. Do we have
a major, minor, or no problem at all at guard?
Here for the Seahawks Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM.
(30:58):
All right, Sophy joins us today at seven oh five,
which is usually Greg Bell's spot, So I'll have to
wait till eight o'clock this morning for our roundtable with
Hugh Millen to learn about the latest from Grey's Abel.
Get some jury updates from our Seahawks insider at eight
o'clock today. The rookie left guard who was not allowed
to sack this year, hell might even end up in
(31:19):
the Pro Bowl the way he's going this season. Of course,
it looked very bad on Sunday against the Rams, him
going down on the field, and you did at the
moment kind of fear the worst, not just fear the worst,
but I kind of suspected the worst. But we got
good news after the testing revealed that the damage was
(31:41):
not as bad, not nearly as bad as what it
looked like on the field, and we haven't got much
news since that time. He did not practice. He was
held out of practice recently and is their most recent practice.
So we don't know if Gray's Abel is going to
be able to start at left guard against the Tennessee
Titans or not. And if he doesn't, man, I mean,
(32:01):
you're looking at a really big guard issue. Because I'm
going to tell you something, I don't know how they've
masked it so well. Anthony Bradford's been a disaster on
the right side. And if you have to now start
Christian Haynes, which sounds like is the backup to Gray's Abel,
who couldn't even beat out Bradford at right guard, what
(32:21):
kind of what kind of holes Sam Donald gonna have
to operate behind? And as bad as the Tennessee Titans are,
Jeffrey Simmons ain't bad. That's one of the baddest man
men on the planet. And I don't want that guy
wrecking crap on Sunday in a game that we're supposed
to win by two touchdowns.
Speaker 9 (32:39):
Yeah, it could be a problem.
Speaker 5 (32:40):
I mean, you did that's one of the you know,
you just figure that the ripple effect if all of
a sudden, Simmons is able to push back one or
even two guys up the middle, and he's always in
Sam Donald's face. Now all of a sudden, I mean
it's something that the secondary gets the feed off of.
If all of a sudden they start recognizing, Wow, they
can't stop our dude from coming right up the middle.
(33:01):
I'm with you. I mean, it's uh, I've been saying it, well,
everybody's been saying it about Bradford, but I mean it's
it's his numbers are so I mean, it's pass blocking numbers.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Especially the videos that have been going around this week
about how lost he looked against the Rams, just getting
blown past and just like blocking air, it's lost.
Speaker 9 (33:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (33:21):
Oh, I've actually seen a couple of the like Baldi,
Brian Baldinger breakdowns about him that are good And I'm like, well,
I didn't see that play that was must have been
paying attention. Yeah, did you make that up?
Speaker 9 (33:35):
Baldinger.
Speaker 5 (33:36):
But I mean, I again, I don't trust the PFF rankings,
but you know, Hugh kind of explains how they started
like sixty right and then you go up and down.
I mean, Bradford's had a couple of games whereas pass
blocking is zero like zero, like, well, how do you
that means? Like thirty different times and you basically did
(33:57):
nothing right the entire time. I think that's where the
videos that you're talking about come from. That said, I mean,
he he grades out right around average or adequate, right
around sixty as far as his run blocking goes, but
he is bad, bad, And on the flip side, it's
actually the grades for grays Abel aren't all that stellar
in the run game, but they're unbelievable they're great in
(34:18):
the passing game. So if maybe that's how they've kind
of finagled this thing where they try to run behind
Bradford and then watch out for whoever's over him in
passing situations and and try to you know, if they
if they know that they're not going to get through
greys Abel as a pass rush, but maybe you can't
run that direction as much. I'm not sure how they're
doing it, but they have they found a way because
(34:38):
I think Bradford is a hole.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
Yeah. Well, and if if he's a hole, then his
then whoever's backing him up must Yeah, and we're without
Sundell at center, Timmy, Yeah, going with Ola with Timmy
and so I mean, just to leave a big, giant
gate in the middle of your offensive line when things
had been going so well. I mean, it's just this
is really important, even against the lowly Titans, that Gray's
(35:04):
abel plays this week. Not only am I not sitting
him out, I think it's important that he does play
in this game. I suppose if you are going to
miss a week with three guys out in the middle
of your offensive line, I guess you are facing the
right NFL team to do so, even though they do
have a legit crap wrecker in Jeffrey Simmons to steal
(35:25):
a Curtis Crabtree phrase and then the other thing. And
I am going to ask Greg about this at eight o'clock.
I know that they signed Josh Jones as a backup
tackle this offseason, but he looked really good in preseason,
like really good, like should we be playing Josh Jones good?
(35:48):
And I gotta believe he's got to have some guard
in him. He's got to be able to slide inside.
Maybe not, but we'll ask Greg Bell about that at
eight o'clock. I mean, if things look that bleak that
you're starting Christian Haynes who you just sort of gave
up on earlier this season. I wonder if a veteran
(36:08):
like Josh Jones could slide from tackle into guard. So
we'll talk with Greg and Hugh about that situation coming
up at eight o'clock today. Coming up next, though Headlines
and David Softy mall their Thursdays with Softy on Sports
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