November 25, 2025 • 35 mins
GENE STERATORE (CBS Rules Analyst) Gene stops by to weigh in on some of the questionable calls from week 12 in the NFL. JSN, separation-ability, late-game non-calls, and more! :30- EVERETT FITZHUGH (KAN PxP) -How did Everett feel about the latest back-to-back games? - What will it take for the Kraken to get back-to-back wins and is the 18th time the charm? - Could we see Jared McCann tomorrow night against Dallas? :45- What is Bucky in for when he goes tailgating with Ashley and her family on Saturday?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Here's Chucking Buck.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Ah, welcome back to the program. It is Chucking Buck
in the morning minus Chuck. I'm interested to see how
our next guest is going to feel when there's no
Chucky here for him. Gene, how you doing, brother.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
I'm doing well. Brother. Hey listen, he's not here, so
take as many shots as we can today. I mean,
he's not here to defend himself, Bucky. Let's go at it.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Yeah, I agree. I mean I think it would be
great on his time off if if we were just
to follow him around like with a whistle, and you know,
when he's doing like a walk and he all of
a sudden, it's like slow rolling across the crosswalk when
the red hand comes up and we're like, hey, picking up,
pick up the pace. Let's go throw a flag on
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him for stalling or something.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
I like it. I like it. We should throw a
few flags on him as well, Bucky. I think it's
a great idea.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Well, Gene, we have Geene's territory here, rules official. He
is a former NFL referee for many years. Everybody knows
who you are, and so I'll keep the introduction somewhat
short and sweet, but I am interested. I mean, with
this Thanksgiving schedule, we got games on Thursday on Thanksgiving Day,
and then Black Friday, and then you got college games
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and all these big you know, rivalry games that are
coming down, and then Sunday and Monday night football as well.
So I mean, are you basically working around the clock
or are you going to get any time to fit
in some turkey.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
I don't know that I'm going to see the turkey
until probably next Monday, Bucky, which means there's maybe two
or three slices of that you know turkey breast. It's
pretty dry on the tupperware where you know, got to
use a half a jar ow to get it a
little bit, you know, get it back to where it
needs to be. But now I actually get to I
am fortunate that I get to go on location for Thanksgiving.
(02:09):
I will be with Jim, Tony and Tracy in Dallas
for the Chiefs on Thursday, but then off again Friday morning.
Back to the CBS studios in New York for two
football games Friday, and then another college football game Saturday,
and then just for the you know, dessert of the
Thanksgiving week. I think five or six NFL games on Sundays.
So this a little bit of a busy week. And
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then the most anxiety, truthfully, is that Black Friday does fall,
I think somewhere in these four days, and the wife
has asked me to leave all three credit cards on
the kitchen table before I take off. So if you
hear that in my voice at some point over the week,
you'll know that it's not because I'm worried about the
playing that I'm about to rule on. I'm wondering why
(02:55):
that third blink on my phone just said that I've
reached the maximum on the other credit card. I don't
they just called to say, hey, if somebody sold your
credit cards. I'm gonna be like, yes, yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
I'm out of town, arrest that woman. That's that's that's funny.
I'm with you on that, but then again, it is
what it is.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Go ahead.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
I'll be at home watching the football game. So go
get your Christmas shopping done. I suppose, Well, I'm Jeane.
There was there was a few things this weekend, not
a ton, but there was one in particular in the
in the Seahawks game that right when it happened, I
was like, oh, I can't wait to ask Jean that.
Because the idea of how difficult it is to play
defense obviously in the NFL nowadays, and I mean, I
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think it's always been that way, but it does feel
like that it is a little bit more difficult the
amount of hands that you can or can't put on
somebody before they're going to throw a flag. And yet
on the alternate side of the offensive pass interference, we
had a play where Jackson Smith and j But who's
having a historic season at this point in time, he
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it up kind of and he does this great I
think it's just a trick of the trade. And yet
I want to know from the referees perspective, where is
the line drawn? Because he had a play where is
a deep ball thrown you know, kind of dropped right
in the bucket. But he's really good at slowing down
and now all of a sudden, essentially using his body
to defend or deflect the defender away from him a
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little bit, and then speeds up just a little bit,
and then he just ever so subtly, he puts his
hand out and just says, yeah, that's as close as
you get to get, knowing that the ball's going to
drop right out of his fingertips reach. And so how
do you decipher how much is a push off and
how much is just really good receiver play?
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Yeah, you know what look great point And I really
as I watched that play and look at it too,
you just hit on all these elements. I think we
talked a little last week, right hand fighting. Hand fighting,
let the player get his hand, push a little bit
to get the hands off, and it's that great area
a little where you do allow some separation to happen
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because of the flavor of the play, and they're all unique.
And in this situation, I think you really worded it
perfectly because I always looked at it, like, you know,
there is this little window where you're going to gain
a little bit of an advantage here because you have
mastered your craft so well. And if you even watch
JSN like he does it, it's not like he's pushing
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a player off, like up around the shoulder pads either
usually they're really good ones. It's kind of right around
the waist. It's a low hand, it's not significant where
they have a complete arm extension. You don't see the
defensive player go back two or three steps, but you
see this just futtle little nudge and then it kind
of goes right from the nudge with the and the
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handstart to go right up because he's timed that nudge
so well that the football is inevitably a second away
as well. So it doesn't rise to that level of
materially really acting this play like it doesn't jump off
the screen at you. But you see it and you're like, dude,
is there a little bit of separation right before the
ball got there? And then you watch the replay and
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naturally we slow it down. It always looks worse and
you think, man, that's a push off, right. But then
for me, in the way I know I refereed and
the way I hope that our crew did week in
and week out, I think that edge is what allows
great players to be great without really taking advantage or
fouling in a very aggressive fashion, but just creating a
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minor advantage and huning the craft, and I think the
same should apply for d backs. He puts your arm
around the receiver's waist, you reach the other hand around.
I don't turn him, but I used his body for leverage,
but I didn't restrict anything. Let the defensive back get
that play in as well. So I think in that window,
I think what jays then did was he took everything
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that I think by the letter of the law, maybe
he separates, but in the philosoph fee of the game,
I think he takes it right to that edge and
wins on a play that doesn't jump off the screen.
And I to me, I think those players are really
good no calls. And I think that is one of
the things that when we try to train in officials,
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it's not so much making the calls. You should just
the big ones. You get. The art is at what
point do we leave that play alone, right and leave
it as a no call and let athletes be athletes.
This play I thought so right to that level, and
I'm glad they didn't throw on it because I don't
think it's I just don't think it's that big. The
dbat takes a little half step backward and yes, it's
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tiny bit of separation, but not enough. Just used to
say in the trade like it's not big enough. Didn't
feel big enough to me. But a really great.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
Play, okay, Gene.
Speaker 5 (07:47):
I'm curious then, because in hearing about you know, yes,
I do agree that defensive backs and wide receivers should
be able to give, you know, get those little benefits
to themselves in as long as you're not fully hampering
the person on the opposite side to the ball. Now,
last night in San Francisco's game, and at the end
of the Bengals game, I saw what I would have
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thought probably could have been called as past interference, especially
it was the last play of the Bengals game. Mike
di Seki falls to the ground before the ball even
I think it was before the ball even got there,
and there was a no call. I didn't know if
maybe because it's the end of the game, are they
just kind of allowing a.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
Little bit more, you know, of a little bit more from.
Speaker 5 (08:26):
The defense, a little bit more from the offense, because
you don't want that call to be the call that
changes the game.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Yeah, I mean it's fair. I think the hell Mary play,
we always have allowed much more boxing out and pushing
when you see their score or five players near the
end zone like boxing each other out and going up
to this ball. So I do think there's a little
more that happens there the play that you're referring to
at the end of the Bengals game. Only thing I
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could say in defense of the officials is the receiver, like,
I think there's interference. I think it's a passing and play.
I always try to teleport Donald though, and try to
remember what it was like in that split second moment. Now,
does the receivers the ball a little behind him? Does
he lose his seat a little as that contact's taking place.
Not that I'm looking for reason not to call it,
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but you want to try to digest everything before you
make that decision. But with all of that said, it
wasn't the best drown ball, but I do think there
was enough contact there, truthfully by the defensive player to
warrant that flag. And look at the one thing that
officials always have to stay true to it and it's
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just something that you must embrace, is Look, the first
preseason game has to be officiated in that same philosophy
as the Super Bowl does, because You can't. You can't
play time and score or value of when I'm going
to make this call or not. You get into this
spine window you hope of what we're going to allow
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happen and what we're not going to allow to happen.
One thing I will say from all coaches, players and
anybody that I really respected in this game, the only
word that they used to me always was will you
just stay consistent? Just make it consistent, because when we
know what you're going to do, then we can adjust.
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But if you're all over the place where you let
this one go at the end of the game that
you called this on the end of the second quarter,
now you've hurt the integrity of the game and the
way that we can play it. And I think that's
where the challenges are. And then again, as you said,
if it falls in the last play of the game,
it didn't extend, you would have had a defensive file there.
It wasn't going to be the difference between the game
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and not. At that point, you were just going to
give them another play. But I follow is a foul, right,
and I said, you need to live in that window,
and at certain times you've got to throw everything else
out the door and work the play. But I thought
it was passing the affearance.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
I did well, Gene, that's okay. So I kind of
want to tie into that a little more as you
were just talking, and I agree one hundred percent. You
can't to be like, well, this is not that much
on this play, so I'm not going to throw a
flag or vice versa this end of the game. I
have to or it's in the game. I can't. You
can't do that, So I'm with you. And yet a
second ago, when we were kind of talking about the
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nuance of how you call a game when it's is
that offensive? Is that a push off? Or did it
affect the game? You were talking about how like a
dB if he's got his hand on a guy's hip
and then brings the other hand around to deflect the
ball as long as he's not turning him. Is how
difficult is it then? From your standpoint, because we had
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a guy here, Tyler Lockett, was a master at getting
flags thrown because he was slight built, so when he
would feel something one he couldn't play through it. If
a guy tugged on him a little bit, it was
going to slow him down. And possibly turn his body,
and he would embellish it. He would make sure that
it was it was a blatant Now a guy like
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DK Metcalf or a tight end like the case we
are just talking about, that can it takes a whole
heck of a lot more of a tug for it
to turn the guy's body. How difficult is that from
your perspective to recognize whether or not a guy's flopping
Because you can have an offensive PI where if a
DB's real good, when he feels that push off just
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a little bit, then he throws his hands up and
jumps off to the side, and all of a sudden,
it looks like it jumped off the page or jumped
off the screen at you versus somebody that is bigger
and he can just kind of play through it a
little bit more.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
That's that's really difficult, I mean you is those are
the things that challenge you as an official. I know
as a referee. See I started my career first two
or three years downfield, I did deal with these plays
and your right different stature creates different pieces of what
you think is materially affecting the player or the play
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enough to warrant that flag, and yeah, certain bigger athletes.
My bigger challenge is to the majority of my career,
where you would have a quarterback back there that was
a six foot four to two hundred and forty pound quarterback,
and then the other team would have, you know, five ten,
one hundred and eighty pound quarterback. You know, where when
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is the roughing? You know, when do you stop the play,
whether you blow the whistle, do I let the big
guy get hit for that, I'm letting the smaller statute
quarterback get hit or things of that nature. So there's
a lot of different elements they go into each play,
the players that are involved. It doesn't mean that you're
allowing people to foul bigger players more. But then you
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also watch and I think what you just said about
Lockett is one of the things that was so hard
to do, and that is at some point athletes are
still going to try to make a play up until
this point where maybe in that split second in their
mind they realize no matter what I do, I can't
make the play. And they're in that little split second
comes that soccer embellishment, right That's it's like the defensive
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ends that's getting a little bit held on the edge
and he's fighting like heck to get off of this
block to get this runner that's going to go right
around him. And then he realizes I can't make it there.
So what does he do? All of a sudden, his
both hands go up in the air. He acts like
he was just accosted on the street or something, and
you're thinking, dude, like a second to go. You know,
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you were engaged in a really tough huscle and all
of a sudden you look like you were just completely overwhelmed.
Those are tough things to officiate. You try to manage that.
You try to continuously put all the things we're talking
about into that. Look, if you flopped, I can't bless
you on it. I would do it in hoops an
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awful lot, like a basketball player would come up and
get bumped a little and put his head back or
like I really got hit trying to embellish that contact
and create a foul. And my conversations with players like
that on both sports that I worked were don't do that,
because if you do that and you're really good at it,
and I think you're delishing, then that next play is
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going to happen where you are going to get filed
and I'm going to probably pass on it, you know
what I mean. And now now you're not going to
get what you should get. So I always try to
at least manage or you know, minimize those opportunities for
them to do it. I guess by scaring them into
if you're such a good actor when you really do
get filed, I'm not good enough to decipher between the two.
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So how about we just try to play through every
play the right way and then let me make my
judgments based on that. But it is a difficult process
to do, and at times you get tricked by it, right,
I mean, you're human, and it's fast, and it always
I always hated it from a grading perspective to Bucket
because with that delon that it put his hands up,
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you knew that the person grading your game the next
day was going to look at that play maybe a
little closer, you know, like like there is a hole there,
you know, or something to that effect. But it's not
easy to do, but it's something you continuously try to
train on and be able to have those micro second
reactions as a result of it.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
Geene, just a quick one before we let you go.
Speaker 5 (16:05):
Because I was watching the Dallas Philadelphia game, as I
think a lot of people were, a very interesting game.
But there was a roughing the kicker penalty called on
the punt and that gave Philadelphia the first down. The
Dallas leof who I think was his name, he was adamant.
I touched the ball. I touched the ball. He went
over to the sideline. He's, you know, scraping his fingers.
I got my fingertips on it. Dallas doesn't do anything.
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Is that even challengeable? Could they have thrown a challenge
flag that he tipped that ball?
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Yes, okay, touching of the kick, touching of a pass
is challengeable. Also, that's a play that New York can
weigh in on rather quickly if they see it and
expedite the review and say there is no foul for
roughing the kicker because the player that did rough the
kicker potentially did also touch the football. These are the
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additional challenges no pun intended with all of it, that
the entire sporting world is starting to deal with, and
that is we like the fact that we have more technology.
We like the fact that we're getting more of these
things right, because they are hard and I think a
lot of us understand that they are hard and technology
can help us get it right. But I also think
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we're on that little edge. We can't just add technology
because we have a new shiny object to use in
a new toy. The end of the day, increasing technology
is only good under one circumstance, and that's if it
makes the game better, not if it makes the game slower,
more choppy, more confusing. If officials then don't feel comfortable
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making split second decisions because of the ramifications of that
decision that could be changed or not changed as a
result of technology. So we are living in that world.
So you have this tip. Now a player is looking
at you on the field as a ref And players
aren't always honest, right, I mean, they're always interfered with
they get up, they're human, they're trying to sell something.
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But now this player gets up and says, I tipped it.
I tipped it. Believe me, Everyone in New York is
scrubbing every angle they can as quickly as they possibly can.
And I think there were a few articles that actually said, look,
they didn't see the enhance view. This was a something
came from the NFL, right, But two plays later, Fox
Broadcast puts out an enhance view. They see the tip,
it's too late, or the coach could have challenged it. Yeah,
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you know that's these are these things we're living with
and as we go through this, adding more technology, more
four K. Is this better for the game? Is it
not better for the game? But yeah, in that situation,
New York could have fixed it had they seen it
rather quickly or to that time frame between the next snap.
And if the coach is trusting the player who's over
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there adamantly saying listen, trust me, man, throw the flag here,
I touched this. That's the decision they have to make.
So they're making calls over there as well, you know,
coaches as to whether to pull their red flag out
or not. But it was reviewable by them if they
so when we're trying to do so interesting.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
All right, Well, Gene, it's been it's been real man,
and happy Thanksgiving to you. I am interested. I mean
you you're not going to get your turkey for a minute,
because you're working thirty seven games to be able to
afford your wife's Black Friday shopping. But if you do,
if you have your preference, are you just a regular
baked turkey. Are you a deep fried turkey guy? Smoked
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turkey guy? What's your preference?
Speaker 3 (19:27):
You know, I was always a traditional guy. And then
you know, like three or four years ago, it was like, dude,
you put this thing in hot oil, it cooks in
ten minutes. You don't have to sit in there with
that thermometer and the turkey's boss looking the temperature all
the time and a frage you're not cooking it through.
And then this beautiful social media shows after I watched
a few explosions here over the last two days on
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you know, on the social sites, on what happens if
the oil is too hot you drop the turkey. And
I don't know if I can do that withe Bucky. Now,
there was one out there that had the firemen all
full geared with a big stension poles dipping the turkey
in that I think I would do only for the
entertainment of it. I'm not sure that I'm you know,
dig into that bird, but I wouldn't mind seeing that
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happen kind of from a distance. You know. I'd like
to be a spectator on that one. But I'm an
old school guy. I mean, let's cook it make it
last all day, and and let's all sleep on the
couch for forty eight hours after we gorge ourselves and
everything on the table. I mean, that's that's just kind
of how I.
Speaker 6 (20:27):
Roll with it.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
I'm with you one hundred percent. And by the way,
tip from a three hundred plus pound guy, if you
do get a piece of that dry turkey breast from
four or five days old, you don't have to just
go mayonnaise. That's if you're putting on a sandwich, you
just got to put some extra gravy on it. Enough
gravy helps everything out and they will no longer be dry.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
It's all about the gravy. Isn't a monkey about the grave?
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Yeap solves it every time.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
That tip for view, my friends. I believe you. I
believe you, and I will take that tip and I'll
let you know how that goes. We'll go extra gravy
on Monday, all right, Jane.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Well, thank you very much, and have a happy Thanksgiving.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Say to you in all, Thanks so much. Stake care
all right.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
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Speaker 2 (21:51):
Welcome back to the show. It is Bucky Jacobson and
Ashley Ryan sans Chuck. He is enjoying Turkey and decorating
for Christmas prematurely, that's what he does this time of year,
and he needed to take time off to do so,
so good for him. We've had a lot to talk
about today, but this is our first time getting to
discuss the new team in town, but one of my
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favorite teams in town. And as far as I'm concerned,
Thanksgiving is time for comfort food and this guy is
comfort food for your ears. Ever it fits you, the
voice of the Seattle Crack And how you doing, brother.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
I'm doing well. Thank you very much for that wonderful.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
In well, It's true you do realize that. I mean,
you don't put me to sleep like Trip to Fan
and Turkey does. But it's like, you know how you
have like a nice bowl of soup on a rainy
fall day and you're just like, oh, you need cozy
up in the chair here and watch a game. Like
That's basically when I hear your voice, I'm like, this
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is it right here? Comfort food for my ear drugs.
Speaker 6 (22:51):
It's very calming and relaxing. I appreciate that, thank you.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Yeah, facts are facts, man. All right, Well, let's dive
into what we witnessed over the weekend. Kind of a
I was explaining it on yesterday about kind of a
weird weekend where you got points and I suppose I'm
not I shouldn't be greedy. You got points in both
games of a back to back, the first one overtime
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win and then an overtime loss in the shootout. It
was kind of a win and a loss, but it
felt both of them felt distinctly different, and yet it
really is just a one point difference in the whole thing.
How do you feel about the back to back on
Saturday and Sunday?
Speaker 8 (23:30):
Yeah, I mean, I think for for Seattle, the big
thing was you're trying to You're trying to snap that
that streak of not winning game two of a back
to back, and I think over the last year plus
on the Sunday game Allong Island, that was the closest
best team's ever come and.
Speaker 6 (23:51):
Then the best I think they've played in that situation.
Speaker 8 (23:54):
It's never easy in this league to play back to backs,
just given the travel then all that goes into to it.
But I felt really good about how the team played
over the weekend. I feel like in the past that
game on Sunday could have gone an entirely different direction.
That game could have gotten pretty squirrely pretty fast. But
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the fact that you were able to limit the Islanders
in their chances. Gruba or a Decord was phenomenal, stopping
thirty four shots that he faced. And the weird quirk
about hockey is that even though he took the shootout loss,
he still got credited with a shutout in that game.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
So to come.
Speaker 8 (24:36):
Back to be the last line of defense and to
shut down the Islanders in the way that he did,
you know, I thought that was absolutely phenomenal. I felt
the trip overall there were probably more way more ups
and positives than there were downs. You're down to nothing
to Chicago on Thursday, you come back with three in
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the third the first time in Cracking history that a
team has trailed by two or more goals going into
the third period and have come back to win in regulation.
And then I think against the Penguins team that's off
to a pretty good start despite what a lot of
people have thought about them, you go into their building
and you pick up a victories overall, you take five
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of the eight points on the road trip. You're happy
with it. That's been the mo of this team all year.
They've picked up points when they needed to. They've won
more than they've lost. They've gotten more points than than
not over certain stretches. And now here we are at
a pretty important time of the season, sitting pretty pretty
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firmly in a playoff spot.
Speaker 5 (25:44):
Okay, Everett, I do have to ask just going back
to this back to back thing, because obviously, what has
it been like fourteen or thirteen games that they'd they've
lost the second just.
Speaker 8 (25:54):
Fifteen and their last seventeen game twos.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Of back to backs.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
So that's yeah, that's that's not great.
Speaker 5 (26:02):
And I just I mean, the crazy thing is though,
this last Sunday, as I'm watching that game, and you
know they're they're now going to the shootout after zero
zero just just a phenomenal defensive game, phenomenal efforts by
both goalies all game long. And then they go into
the shootout and they have to even add the extra
because they've you know, they're still even they're still tied.
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And I'm thinking to myself, if any there's any time
that they could win that second back to back, it's now.
They can't get any closer to winning the second back
to back.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
So now, what.
Speaker 6 (26:35):
Listen, I mean eighteenth times the charm?
Speaker 4 (26:39):
I guess, okay, all right, that's the same.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
I'm sure it's the same.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
I've heard that before.
Speaker 6 (26:43):
Yeah, no, the.
Speaker 8 (26:44):
Eighteenth fool me one, shame on you, and and then
fool me seventeen or more times. No, yep, it's it's
one of those weird quirks, actually, you know.
Speaker 6 (26:56):
And it's it's I can't explain it.
Speaker 8 (26:59):
And and I I remember last season, sitting on the
bus the last road game of the year, me and
John Floreslan and Al and JT were sitting there scrashing
our heads and we're like, John has been doing this
for thirty plus years, and he goes.
Speaker 6 (27:13):
I've never seen this before.
Speaker 8 (27:14):
I don't understand what it is why this team can't
win the second game of back to back. And listen,
at the end of the day, you're going to lose games.
No one's ever gonna go oh and eight or eighty
two and zero, and it is, you know, another game.
And I think a bigger, large view of this, a
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twenty thousand foot view of this. Is it that big
of a deal? Probably not, but it just it's such
a glaring number. And I'm with you.
Speaker 6 (27:47):
I think this is they played as well as they
could have.
Speaker 8 (27:51):
I even go back to the game in Dallas earlier
this year where they lost to to one on the
second game of the back to back after a game
in Saint Louis, and I remember saying, man, that was
the best game too effort that I've seen in over
a year. Well then you fast forward to this past
Sunday night, and I'm saying the same thing. You you
cannot get any closer to winning game two of a
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back to back than a one nothing shootout loss in
which you scored one goal. In the shootout, they scored
two goals. In the shootout, So again, it cannot get
any closer. So I'm just gonna go back to that
age old saying eighteen times at charge.
Speaker 5 (28:32):
Well, good news, they've got four more chances to do
it in the next six weeks.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
Four more back to that games in the next six weeks.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Yeah, all right, Well, hey, Fitzy, any chance we can
see Jerry mccannon in this game tomorrow against the Dallas Stars.
Speaker 8 (28:48):
You never say never. I will say he did go
on this last road trip. He was a very active
member in practice. He was taking regular line rushes and shifts.
You know, I've seen him walk around the team in
the locker room area and he looks fine. Obviously looking
fine in your street clothes is a lot different than
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on the ice.
Speaker 6 (29:10):
I think he's looked good on the ice.
Speaker 8 (29:13):
Hopefully today during or after practice will have an update
on Jared mccannon. But he did go on the trip.
He was skating with the team, He was active with
the team, So I mean, I'm hoping that he's back tomorrow.
But I was also hoping that he would be back
on this last road trip because he went with the team,
and obviously he didn't go, So hopefully later today, we'll
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have an update on him.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
All right. Well, from all of us here to you
and all of yours, Happy Thanksgiving because you are you
are the gravy of crack and hockey. I mean, we
just put you on anything and you make it better.
Speaker 8 (29:49):
Well, thank you, thank you very much, and have your
Thanksgiving to you. Happy Thanksgiving to all the listeners out there.
And I think most importantly, let's go Lions.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Uh okaya. I don't I don't know if that was
the way we should have ended this, but okay, just
go ahead and cut him, cut them, cut the mic.
Speaker 8 (30:07):
Who doesn't love nine am hockey, who doesn't earn football?
Speaker 6 (30:10):
Nine am football? On Thursday? You're up and the Lions
are going to play and get off.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
So what I have to start eating is when that
kickoff happens. I have to start eating. I can't stop
until Monday, non stop. You too, yep, yep you.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
I'll be right there all weekend.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Alright, Well, Fitzy, I appreciate it, man, I have a
great Thanksgiving.
Speaker 6 (30:31):
But you two guys take care of thanks all right.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Ever it fits you the voice of the Seattle Cracking.
We are going to come back and dive into a
little bit of tailgame tailgating antics that I might be
up for when it comes to partying with the Medleys
before the Oregon duck Husky game this weekend right here
at Sports Radio ninety three point three kg R f M.
Speaker 4 (30:52):
Shake it up, Actually, shake it, shake it Yep.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
So I knew the song, but I couldn't have told
you it was the Cars unless you gave me a
multiple choice between that and Huey's gonna.
Speaker 4 (31:04):
Probably be the way I do everything from now on.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Well that's it gives me at least a fifty to
fifty chance.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
Yeah, we did also like that.
Speaker 5 (31:10):
By the way, get a text in that someone suggested,
maybe Everett is the Elk Dip of announcers.
Speaker 4 (31:15):
Ooh, something to think about.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
At least that's possible. Yeah, it's possible. Elk dip is
not real good for you.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
Yeah you're right.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Then again, I did call him the Gravy of crack
and hockey, which gravy is not real good for you either,
But it's so good.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
So delicious, and you want it on everything.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
It makes everything better.
Speaker 5 (31:36):
I mean, if Everett was calling every game of your
life or narrating your life, how happy would.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
You be that'd be wonderful. Actually, if he would just
follow me around and be like, now and he's going
out to light the barbecue.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
Light the barbecue or go to the bathroom, one or
the other.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
I don't want him necessarily following me everywhere.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
He wouldn't go in the bathroom with you.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
He would just announce that I'm going, yes, and then
he would like go he came, he'd be.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
Like, oh.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Wow, that would be scary but interesting.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
You know.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
What to think about.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Something else that would be is going to be interesting,
is is whether or not I actually pull the trigger
on this idea of going and tailgating with the Medleys
and your crew, old crew.
Speaker 5 (32:22):
What do you mean if you pull the trigger? I
thought we already decided this was happening. We're now having
second thoughts. Palmer the Great is ten now eleven eleven.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
Yeah, she is a trash talker.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
By the way, barn is only eight and he is
very kind, very kind.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
Talk trash to him. She'll talk trash to you, Okay. Yeah.
She boos Bonex every time she sees him on TV.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
That is not right.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
I'm like, okay, well, we don't hate on Bonus anymore.
She's like I do. Mom.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
I was like, wow, okay, you've brainwashed this poor child.
I didn't mean to No, I think you did it.
Speaker 5 (32:54):
I didn't know that years later, after he'd left Oregon,
it would stick with her.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
That is not good. No, so good.
Speaker 5 (33:01):
So she'll comment, probably on the horrible Oregon clothing you're wearing.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Which is not going to be horrible. It's mostly black.
Who doesn't like black.
Speaker 5 (33:11):
She'll probably look at the O and go something like ugh, yeah,
but that's it. And then she'll be happy to see you,
especially because here's what you have to know about Palmer
the Great and what has transpired over this last week.
I told her that Chuck was out and that just
you and I would be on the show. And then
she said, she said your name. Oh, she that's what
it was. We heard your one of your ads. She goes, hey, folks,
(33:34):
I said, that's right, Bucky Jacobson here. And then she
says your name in a different way, and I go, no,
you got to call him Bookie Yokerson. Oh, and now
she finds that to be the best name that has
ever been given, Yakerson.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
So so she's a little bit bilingual. Then that's good.
Bookie Jkerson. That was that what I was called in
Dominican and Venezuela, which you just take it. It's not
one of those We've had that discussion here. Why don't
people correct pronunciation of their names. It's typically like Latin players, right,
I mean, I played with Marco Scutero, and yet it
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was Scutaro, is what I thought his name was as
a teammate, and that's what our our announcer called him.
Next up your second basement, Marco's Scutaro. And then apparently
years later we find out that Scutero and I guess
it's just you just go with it. Another country Scutero.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
It's easier to say too. I don't know, it just
rolls off the tongue a little better.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
But I mean, could you imagine me going up to
the Venezuelan announcer like, it's not Bookie, Yeah, it's Bucky.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
I can't imagine it, and we wouldn't have the laughs
we have today if you had.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
That's true, That is true. At least they didn't call
me announce me as the red chicken. That would have
been less fun.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
She will probably call you Bookie when she said Bookie.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Yeah, okay, Well I'm I'm okay with a little trash talk.
I just more so. My son has not been This
will be his first entrance into that atmosphere. I did
take him to the Broncos Seahawk game last season, and
yet that was pretty tame and I kept it low key,
like I didn't go into an environment like this one
where I'm gonna know people and there's gonna be open
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trash talking, joking. Yeah, and so I'm curious to see.
I mean, he needs a little trial by fire. Never
heard anybody.
Speaker 4 (35:17):
It'll be some people. You know, it'll be fine, You'll
be fun.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Okay, you'll be great. Well, you're gonna have to let
me know where it is. I will tailgating will commence
leading up to the Huskies.
Speaker 4 (35:26):
I just would not do the Survivor Flip Cup. If
you want to keep a team, you don't play Survivor
Flip Cup. If you want to keep a team.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Oh really, yeah, I don't know what that is, but
I probably will.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
A great game. Maybe we'll talk about it in one
last thing.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
Okay, it sounds like a plan. All right, Well, what
we're going to talk about next is some more college football,
but with somebody that knows what he's talking about. Stick
around and see who that is. You know him, you
love him. Right after this break on Sports Radio ninety
three point three KJRFM,
Time for checking Bucks weekly visit with former NFL official
Jean Sterotur, brought to you by BMW Seattle. Looking for
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check us out at BMW Seattle, conveniently located between I
five and I ninety near the stadiums Now with Jeane Sterotor.
Here's Chucking Buck.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Ah, welcome back to the program. It is Chucking Buck
in the morning minus Chuck. I'm interested to see how
our next guest is going to feel when there's no
Chucky here for him. Gene, how you doing, brother.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
I'm doing well. Brother. Hey listen, he's not here, so
take as many shots as we can today. I mean,
he's not here to defend himself, Bucky. Let's go at it.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Yeah, I agree. I mean I think it would be
great on his time off if if we were just
to follow him around like with a whistle, and you know,
when he's doing like a walk and he all of
a sudden, it's like slow rolling across the crosswalk when
the red hand comes up and we're like, hey, picking up,
pick up the pace. Let's go throw a flag on
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him for stalling or something.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
I like it. I like it. We should throw a
few flags on him as well, Bucky. I think it's
a great idea.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Well, Gene, we have Geene's territory here, rules official. He
is a former NFL referee for many years. Everybody knows
who you are, and so I'll keep the introduction somewhat
short and sweet, but I am interested. I mean, with
this Thanksgiving schedule, we got games on Thursday on Thanksgiving Day,
and then Black Friday, and then you got college games
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and all these big you know, rivalry games that are
coming down, and then Sunday and Monday night football as well.
So I mean, are you basically working around the clock
or are you going to get any time to fit
in some turkey.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
I don't know that I'm going to see the turkey
until probably next Monday, Bucky, which means there's maybe two
or three slices of that you know turkey breast. It's
pretty dry on the tupperware where you know, got to
use a half a jar ow to get it a
little bit, you know, get it back to where it
needs to be. But now I actually get to I
am fortunate that I get to go on location for Thanksgiving.
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I will be with Jim, Tony and Tracy in Dallas
for the Chiefs on Thursday, but then off again Friday morning.
Back to the CBS studios in New York for two
football games Friday, and then another college football game Saturday,
and then just for the you know, dessert of the
Thanksgiving week. I think five or six NFL games on Sundays.
So this a little bit of a busy week. And
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then the most anxiety, truthfully, is that Black Friday does fall,
I think somewhere in these four days, and the wife
has asked me to leave all three credit cards on
the kitchen table before I take off. So if you
hear that in my voice at some point over the week,
you'll know that it's not because I'm worried about the
playing that I'm about to rule on. I'm wondering why
(02:55):
that third blink on my phone just said that I've
reached the maximum on the other credit card. I don't
they just called to say, hey, if somebody sold your
credit cards. I'm gonna be like, yes, yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
I'm out of town, arrest that woman. That's that's that's funny.
I'm with you on that, but then again, it is
what it is.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Go ahead.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
I'll be at home watching the football game. So go
get your Christmas shopping done. I suppose, Well, I'm Jeane.
There was there was a few things this weekend, not
a ton, but there was one in particular in the
in the Seahawks game that right when it happened, I
was like, oh, I can't wait to ask Jean that.
Because the idea of how difficult it is to play
defense obviously in the NFL nowadays, and I mean, I
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think it's always been that way, but it does feel
like that it is a little bit more difficult the
amount of hands that you can or can't put on
somebody before they're going to throw a flag. And yet
on the alternate side of the offensive pass interference, we
had a play where Jackson Smith and j But who's
having a historic season at this point in time, he
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it up kind of and he does this great I
think it's just a trick of the trade. And yet
I want to know from the referees perspective, where is
the line drawn? Because he had a play where is
a deep ball thrown you know, kind of dropped right
in the bucket. But he's really good at slowing down
and now all of a sudden, essentially using his body
to defend or deflect the defender away from him a
(04:24):
little bit, and then speeds up just a little bit,
and then he just ever so subtly, he puts his
hand out and just says, yeah, that's as close as
you get to get, knowing that the ball's going to
drop right out of his fingertips reach. And so how
do you decipher how much is a push off and
how much is just really good receiver play?
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Yeah, you know what look great point And I really
as I watched that play and look at it too,
you just hit on all these elements. I think we
talked a little last week, right hand fighting. Hand fighting,
let the player get his hand, push a little bit
to get the hands off, and it's that great area
a little where you do allow some separation to happen
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because of the flavor of the play, and they're all unique.
And in this situation, I think you really worded it
perfectly because I always looked at it, like, you know,
there is this little window where you're going to gain
a little bit of an advantage here because you have
mastered your craft so well. And if you even watch
JSN like he does it, it's not like he's pushing
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a player off, like up around the shoulder pads either
usually they're really good ones. It's kind of right around
the waist. It's a low hand, it's not significant where
they have a complete arm extension. You don't see the
defensive player go back two or three steps, but you
see this just futtle little nudge and then it kind
of goes right from the nudge with the and the
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handstart to go right up because he's timed that nudge
so well that the football is inevitably a second away
as well. So it doesn't rise to that level of
materially really acting this play like it doesn't jump off
the screen at you. But you see it and you're like, dude,
is there a little bit of separation right before the
ball got there? And then you watch the replay and
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naturally we slow it down. It always looks worse and
you think, man, that's a push off, right. But then
for me, in the way I know I refereed and
the way I hope that our crew did week in
and week out, I think that edge is what allows
great players to be great without really taking advantage or
fouling in a very aggressive fashion, but just creating a
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minor advantage and huning the craft, and I think the
same should apply for d backs. He puts your arm
around the receiver's waist, you reach the other hand around.
I don't turn him, but I used his body for leverage,
but I didn't restrict anything. Let the defensive back get
that play in as well. So I think in that window,
I think what jays then did was he took everything
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that I think by the letter of the law, maybe
he separates, but in the philosoph fee of the game,
I think he takes it right to that edge and
wins on a play that doesn't jump off the screen.
And I to me, I think those players are really
good no calls. And I think that is one of
the things that when we try to train in officials,
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it's not so much making the calls. You should just
the big ones. You get. The art is at what
point do we leave that play alone, right and leave
it as a no call and let athletes be athletes.
This play I thought so right to that level, and
I'm glad they didn't throw on it because I don't
think it's I just don't think it's that big. The
dbat takes a little half step backward and yes, it's
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tiny bit of separation, but not enough. Just used to
say in the trade like it's not big enough. Didn't
feel big enough to me. But a really great.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
Play, okay, Gene.
Speaker 5 (07:47):
I'm curious then, because in hearing about you know, yes,
I do agree that defensive backs and wide receivers should
be able to give, you know, get those little benefits
to themselves in as long as you're not fully hampering
the person on the opposite side to the ball. Now,
last night in San Francisco's game, and at the end
of the Bengals game, I saw what I would have
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thought probably could have been called as past interference, especially
it was the last play of the Bengals game. Mike
di Seki falls to the ground before the ball even
I think it was before the ball even got there,
and there was a no call. I didn't know if
maybe because it's the end of the game, are they
just kind of allowing a.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
Little bit more, you know, of a little bit more from.
Speaker 5 (08:26):
The defense, a little bit more from the offense, because
you don't want that call to be the call that
changes the game.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Yeah, I mean it's fair. I think the hell Mary play,
we always have allowed much more boxing out and pushing
when you see their score or five players near the
end zone like boxing each other out and going up
to this ball. So I do think there's a little
more that happens there the play that you're referring to
at the end of the Bengals game. Only thing I
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could say in defense of the officials is the receiver, like,
I think there's interference. I think it's a passing and play.
I always try to teleport Donald though, and try to
remember what it was like in that split second moment. Now,
does the receivers the ball a little behind him? Does
he lose his seat a little as that contact's taking place.
Not that I'm looking for reason not to call it,
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but you want to try to digest everything before you
make that decision. But with all of that said, it
wasn't the best drown ball, but I do think there
was enough contact there, truthfully by the defensive player to
warrant that flag. And look at the one thing that
officials always have to stay true to it and it's
(09:36):
just something that you must embrace, is Look, the first
preseason game has to be officiated in that same philosophy
as the Super Bowl does, because You can't. You can't
play time and score or value of when I'm going
to make this call or not. You get into this
spine window you hope of what we're going to allow
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happen and what we're not going to allow to happen.
One thing I will say from all coaches, players and
anybody that I really respected in this game, the only
word that they used to me always was will you
just stay consistent? Just make it consistent, because when we
know what you're going to do, then we can adjust.
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But if you're all over the place where you let
this one go at the end of the game that
you called this on the end of the second quarter,
now you've hurt the integrity of the game and the
way that we can play it. And I think that's
where the challenges are. And then again, as you said,
if it falls in the last play of the game,
it didn't extend, you would have had a defensive file there.
It wasn't going to be the difference between the game
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and not. At that point, you were just going to
give them another play. But I follow is a foul, right,
and I said, you need to live in that window,
and at certain times you've got to throw everything else
out the door and work the play. But I thought
it was passing the affearance.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
I did well, Gene, that's okay. So I kind of
want to tie into that a little more as you
were just talking, and I agree one hundred percent. You
can't to be like, well, this is not that much
on this play, so I'm not going to throw a
flag or vice versa this end of the game. I
have to or it's in the game. I can't. You
can't do that, So I'm with you. And yet a
second ago, when we were kind of talking about the
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nuance of how you call a game when it's is
that offensive? Is that a push off? Or did it
affect the game? You were talking about how like a
dB if he's got his hand on a guy's hip
and then brings the other hand around to deflect the
ball as long as he's not turning him. Is how
difficult is it then? From your standpoint, because we had
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a guy here, Tyler Lockett, was a master at getting
flags thrown because he was slight built, so when he
would feel something one he couldn't play through it. If
a guy tugged on him a little bit, it was
going to slow him down. And possibly turn his body,
and he would embellish it. He would make sure that
it was it was a blatant Now a guy like
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DK Metcalf or a tight end like the case we
are just talking about, that can it takes a whole
heck of a lot more of a tug for it
to turn the guy's body. How difficult is that from
your perspective to recognize whether or not a guy's flopping
Because you can have an offensive PI where if a
DB's real good, when he feels that push off just
(12:18):
a little bit, then he throws his hands up and
jumps off to the side, and all of a sudden,
it looks like it jumped off the page or jumped
off the screen at you versus somebody that is bigger
and he can just kind of play through it a
little bit more.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
That's that's really difficult, I mean you is those are
the things that challenge you as an official. I know
as a referee. See I started my career first two
or three years downfield, I did deal with these plays
and your right different stature creates different pieces of what
you think is materially affecting the player or the play
(12:52):
enough to warrant that flag, and yeah, certain bigger athletes.
My bigger challenge is to the majority of my career,
where you would have a quarterback back there that was
a six foot four to two hundred and forty pound quarterback,
and then the other team would have, you know, five ten,
one hundred and eighty pound quarterback. You know, where when
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is the roughing? You know, when do you stop the play,
whether you blow the whistle, do I let the big
guy get hit for that, I'm letting the smaller statute
quarterback get hit or things of that nature. So there's
a lot of different elements they go into each play,
the players that are involved. It doesn't mean that you're
allowing people to foul bigger players more. But then you
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also watch and I think what you just said about
Lockett is one of the things that was so hard
to do, and that is at some point athletes are
still going to try to make a play up until
this point where maybe in that split second in their
mind they realize no matter what I do, I can't
make the play. And they're in that little split second
comes that soccer embellishment, right That's it's like the defensive
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ends that's getting a little bit held on the edge
and he's fighting like heck to get off of this
block to get this runner that's going to go right
around him. And then he realizes I can't make it there.
So what does he do? All of a sudden, his
both hands go up in the air. He acts like
he was just accosted on the street or something, and
you're thinking, dude, like a second to go. You know,
(14:21):
you were engaged in a really tough huscle and all
of a sudden you look like you were just completely overwhelmed.
Those are tough things to officiate. You try to manage that.
You try to continuously put all the things we're talking
about into that. Look, if you flopped, I can't bless
you on it. I would do it in hoops an
(14:41):
awful lot, like a basketball player would come up and
get bumped a little and put his head back or
like I really got hit trying to embellish that contact
and create a foul. And my conversations with players like
that on both sports that I worked were don't do that,
because if you do that and you're really good at it,
and I think you're delishing, then that next play is
(15:02):
going to happen where you are going to get filed
and I'm going to probably pass on it, you know
what I mean. And now now you're not going to
get what you should get. So I always try to
at least manage or you know, minimize those opportunities for
them to do it. I guess by scaring them into
if you're such a good actor when you really do
get filed, I'm not good enough to decipher between the two.
(15:23):
So how about we just try to play through every
play the right way and then let me make my
judgments based on that. But it is a difficult process
to do, and at times you get tricked by it, right,
I mean, you're human, and it's fast, and it always
I always hated it from a grading perspective to Bucket
because with that delon that it put his hands up,
(15:44):
you knew that the person grading your game the next
day was going to look at that play maybe a
little closer, you know, like like there is a hole there,
you know, or something to that effect. But it's not
easy to do, but it's something you continuously try to
train on and be able to have those micro second
reactions as a result of it.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
Geene, just a quick one before we let you go.
Speaker 5 (16:05):
Because I was watching the Dallas Philadelphia game, as I
think a lot of people were, a very interesting game.
But there was a roughing the kicker penalty called on
the punt and that gave Philadelphia the first down. The
Dallas leof who I think was his name, he was adamant.
I touched the ball. I touched the ball. He went
over to the sideline. He's, you know, scraping his fingers.
I got my fingertips on it. Dallas doesn't do anything.
(16:27):
Is that even challengeable? Could they have thrown a challenge
flag that he tipped that ball?
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Yes, okay, touching of the kick, touching of a pass
is challengeable. Also, that's a play that New York can
weigh in on rather quickly if they see it and
expedite the review and say there is no foul for
roughing the kicker because the player that did rough the
kicker potentially did also touch the football. These are the
(16:53):
additional challenges no pun intended with all of it, that
the entire sporting world is starting to deal with, and
that is we like the fact that we have more technology.
We like the fact that we're getting more of these
things right, because they are hard and I think a
lot of us understand that they are hard and technology
can help us get it right. But I also think
(17:15):
we're on that little edge. We can't just add technology
because we have a new shiny object to use in
a new toy. The end of the day, increasing technology
is only good under one circumstance, and that's if it
makes the game better, not if it makes the game slower,
more choppy, more confusing. If officials then don't feel comfortable
(17:38):
making split second decisions because of the ramifications of that
decision that could be changed or not changed as a
result of technology. So we are living in that world.
So you have this tip. Now a player is looking
at you on the field as a ref And players
aren't always honest, right, I mean, they're always interfered with
they get up, they're human, they're trying to sell something.
(18:00):
But now this player gets up and says, I tipped it.
I tipped it. Believe me, Everyone in New York is
scrubbing every angle they can as quickly as they possibly can.
And I think there were a few articles that actually said, look,
they didn't see the enhance view. This was a something
came from the NFL, right, But two plays later, Fox
Broadcast puts out an enhance view. They see the tip,
it's too late, or the coach could have challenged it. Yeah,
(18:23):
you know that's these are these things we're living with
and as we go through this, adding more technology, more
four K. Is this better for the game? Is it
not better for the game? But yeah, in that situation,
New York could have fixed it had they seen it
rather quickly or to that time frame between the next snap.
And if the coach is trusting the player who's over
(18:45):
there adamantly saying listen, trust me, man, throw the flag here,
I touched this. That's the decision they have to make.
So they're making calls over there as well, you know,
coaches as to whether to pull their red flag out
or not. But it was reviewable by them if they
so when we're trying to do so interesting.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
All right, Well, Gene, it's been it's been real man,
and happy Thanksgiving to you. I am interested. I mean
you you're not going to get your turkey for a minute,
because you're working thirty seven games to be able to
afford your wife's Black Friday shopping. But if you do,
if you have your preference, are you just a regular
baked turkey. Are you a deep fried turkey guy? Smoked
(19:24):
turkey guy? What's your preference?
Speaker 3 (19:27):
You know, I was always a traditional guy. And then
you know, like three or four years ago, it was like, dude,
you put this thing in hot oil, it cooks in
ten minutes. You don't have to sit in there with
that thermometer and the turkey's boss looking the temperature all
the time and a frage you're not cooking it through.
And then this beautiful social media shows after I watched
a few explosions here over the last two days on
(19:49):
you know, on the social sites, on what happens if
the oil is too hot you drop the turkey. And
I don't know if I can do that withe Bucky. Now,
there was one out there that had the firemen all
full geared with a big stension poles dipping the turkey
in that I think I would do only for the
entertainment of it. I'm not sure that I'm you know,
dig into that bird, but I wouldn't mind seeing that
(20:10):
happen kind of from a distance. You know. I'd like
to be a spectator on that one. But I'm an
old school guy. I mean, let's cook it make it
last all day, and and let's all sleep on the
couch for forty eight hours after we gorge ourselves and
everything on the table. I mean, that's that's just kind
of how I.
Speaker 6 (20:27):
Roll with it.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
I'm with you one hundred percent. And by the way,
tip from a three hundred plus pound guy, if you
do get a piece of that dry turkey breast from
four or five days old, you don't have to just
go mayonnaise. That's if you're putting on a sandwich, you
just got to put some extra gravy on it. Enough
gravy helps everything out and they will no longer be dry.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
It's all about the gravy. Isn't a monkey about the grave?
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Yeap solves it every time.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
That tip for view, my friends. I believe you. I
believe you, and I will take that tip and I'll
let you know how that goes. We'll go extra gravy
on Monday, all right, Jane.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Well, thank you very much, and have a happy Thanksgiving.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Say to you in all, Thanks so much. Stake care
all right.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
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Speaker 7 (21:34):
Sports Radio ninety three point three kJ r FM.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Welcome back to the show. It is Bucky Jacobson and
Ashley Ryan sans Chuck. He is enjoying Turkey and decorating
for Christmas prematurely, that's what he does this time of year,
and he needed to take time off to do so,
so good for him. We've had a lot to talk
about today, but this is our first time getting to
discuss the new team in town, but one of my
(22:11):
favorite teams in town. And as far as I'm concerned,
Thanksgiving is time for comfort food and this guy is
comfort food for your ears. Ever it fits you, the
voice of the Seattle Crack And how you doing, brother.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
I'm doing well. Thank you very much for that wonderful.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
In well, It's true you do realize that. I mean,
you don't put me to sleep like Trip to Fan
and Turkey does. But it's like, you know how you
have like a nice bowl of soup on a rainy
fall day and you're just like, oh, you need cozy
up in the chair here and watch a game. Like
That's basically when I hear your voice, I'm like, this
(22:48):
is it right here? Comfort food for my ear drugs.
Speaker 6 (22:51):
It's very calming and relaxing. I appreciate that, thank you.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Yeah, facts are facts, man. All right, Well, let's dive
into what we witnessed over the weekend. Kind of a
I was explaining it on yesterday about kind of a
weird weekend where you got points and I suppose I'm
not I shouldn't be greedy. You got points in both
games of a back to back, the first one overtime
(23:15):
win and then an overtime loss in the shootout. It
was kind of a win and a loss, but it
felt both of them felt distinctly different, and yet it
really is just a one point difference in the whole thing.
How do you feel about the back to back on
Saturday and Sunday?
Speaker 8 (23:30):
Yeah, I mean, I think for for Seattle, the big
thing was you're trying to You're trying to snap that
that streak of not winning game two of a back
to back, and I think over the last year plus
on the Sunday game Allong Island, that was the closest
best team's ever come and.
Speaker 6 (23:51):
Then the best I think they've played in that situation.
Speaker 8 (23:54):
It's never easy in this league to play back to backs,
just given the travel then all that goes into to it.
But I felt really good about how the team played
over the weekend. I feel like in the past that
game on Sunday could have gone an entirely different direction.
That game could have gotten pretty squirrely pretty fast. But
(24:16):
the fact that you were able to limit the Islanders
in their chances. Gruba or a Decord was phenomenal, stopping
thirty four shots that he faced. And the weird quirk
about hockey is that even though he took the shootout loss,
he still got credited with a shutout in that game.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
So to come.
Speaker 8 (24:36):
Back to be the last line of defense and to
shut down the Islanders in the way that he did,
you know, I thought that was absolutely phenomenal. I felt
the trip overall there were probably more way more ups
and positives than there were downs. You're down to nothing
to Chicago on Thursday, you come back with three in
(24:57):
the third the first time in Cracking history that a
team has trailed by two or more goals going into
the third period and have come back to win in regulation.
And then I think against the Penguins team that's off
to a pretty good start despite what a lot of
people have thought about them, you go into their building
and you pick up a victories overall, you take five
(25:20):
of the eight points on the road trip. You're happy
with it. That's been the mo of this team all year.
They've picked up points when they needed to. They've won
more than they've lost. They've gotten more points than than
not over certain stretches. And now here we are at
a pretty important time of the season, sitting pretty pretty
(25:42):
firmly in a playoff spot.
Speaker 5 (25:44):
Okay, Everett, I do have to ask just going back
to this back to back thing, because obviously, what has
it been like fourteen or thirteen games that they'd they've
lost the second just.
Speaker 8 (25:54):
Fifteen and their last seventeen game twos.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Of back to backs.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
So that's yeah, that's that's not great.
Speaker 5 (26:02):
And I just I mean, the crazy thing is though,
this last Sunday, as I'm watching that game, and you
know they're they're now going to the shootout after zero
zero just just a phenomenal defensive game, phenomenal efforts by
both goalies all game long. And then they go into
the shootout and they have to even add the extra
because they've you know, they're still even they're still tied.
(26:22):
And I'm thinking to myself, if any there's any time
that they could win that second back to back, it's now.
They can't get any closer to winning the second back
to back.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
So now, what.
Speaker 6 (26:35):
Listen, I mean eighteenth times the charm?
Speaker 4 (26:39):
I guess, okay, all right, that's the same.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
I'm sure it's the same.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
I've heard that before.
Speaker 6 (26:43):
Yeah, no, the.
Speaker 8 (26:44):
Eighteenth fool me one, shame on you, and and then
fool me seventeen or more times. No, yep, it's it's
one of those weird quirks, actually, you know.
Speaker 6 (26:56):
And it's it's I can't explain it.
Speaker 8 (26:59):
And and I I remember last season, sitting on the
bus the last road game of the year, me and
John Floreslan and Al and JT were sitting there scrashing
our heads and we're like, John has been doing this
for thirty plus years, and he goes.
Speaker 6 (27:13):
I've never seen this before.
Speaker 8 (27:14):
I don't understand what it is why this team can't
win the second game of back to back. And listen,
at the end of the day, you're going to lose games.
No one's ever gonna go oh and eight or eighty
two and zero, and it is, you know, another game.
And I think a bigger, large view of this, a
(27:38):
twenty thousand foot view of this. Is it that big
of a deal? Probably not, but it just it's such
a glaring number. And I'm with you.
Speaker 6 (27:47):
I think this is they played as well as they
could have.
Speaker 8 (27:51):
I even go back to the game in Dallas earlier
this year where they lost to to one on the
second game of the back to back after a game
in Saint Louis, and I remember saying, man, that was
the best game too effort that I've seen in over
a year. Well then you fast forward to this past
Sunday night, and I'm saying the same thing. You you
cannot get any closer to winning game two of a
(28:14):
back to back than a one nothing shootout loss in
which you scored one goal. In the shootout, they scored
two goals. In the shootout, So again, it cannot get
any closer. So I'm just gonna go back to that
age old saying eighteen times at charge.
Speaker 5 (28:32):
Well, good news, they've got four more chances to do
it in the next six weeks.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
Four more back to that games in the next six weeks.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Yeah, all right, Well, hey, Fitzy, any chance we can
see Jerry mccannon in this game tomorrow against the Dallas Stars.
Speaker 8 (28:48):
You never say never. I will say he did go
on this last road trip. He was a very active
member in practice. He was taking regular line rushes and shifts.
You know, I've seen him walk around the team in
the locker room area and he looks fine. Obviously looking
fine in your street clothes is a lot different than
(29:09):
on the ice.
Speaker 6 (29:10):
I think he's looked good on the ice.
Speaker 8 (29:13):
Hopefully today during or after practice will have an update
on Jared mccannon. But he did go on the trip.
He was skating with the team, He was active with
the team, So I mean, I'm hoping that he's back tomorrow.
But I was also hoping that he would be back
on this last road trip because he went with the team,
and obviously he didn't go, So hopefully later today, we'll
(29:34):
have an update on him.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
All right. Well, from all of us here to you
and all of yours, Happy Thanksgiving because you are you
are the gravy of crack and hockey. I mean, we
just put you on anything and you make it better.
Speaker 8 (29:49):
Well, thank you, thank you very much, and have your
Thanksgiving to you. Happy Thanksgiving to all the listeners out there.
And I think most importantly, let's go Lions.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Uh okaya. I don't I don't know if that was
the way we should have ended this, but okay, just
go ahead and cut him, cut them, cut the mic.
Speaker 8 (30:07):
Who doesn't love nine am hockey, who doesn't earn football?
Speaker 6 (30:10):
Nine am football? On Thursday? You're up and the Lions
are going to play and get off.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
So what I have to start eating is when that
kickoff happens. I have to start eating. I can't stop
until Monday, non stop. You too, yep, yep you.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
I'll be right there all weekend.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Alright, Well, Fitzy, I appreciate it, man, I have a
great Thanksgiving.
Speaker 6 (30:31):
But you two guys take care of thanks all right.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Ever it fits you the voice of the Seattle Cracking.
We are going to come back and dive into a
little bit of tailgame tailgating antics that I might be
up for when it comes to partying with the Medleys
before the Oregon duck Husky game this weekend right here
at Sports Radio ninety three point three kg R f M.
Speaker 4 (30:52):
Shake it up, Actually, shake it, shake it Yep.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
So I knew the song, but I couldn't have told
you it was the Cars unless you gave me a
multiple choice between that and Huey's gonna.
Speaker 4 (31:04):
Probably be the way I do everything from now on.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Well that's it gives me at least a fifty to
fifty chance.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
Yeah, we did also like that.
Speaker 5 (31:10):
By the way, get a text in that someone suggested,
maybe Everett is the Elk Dip of announcers.
Speaker 4 (31:15):
Ooh, something to think about.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
At least that's possible. Yeah, it's possible. Elk dip is
not real good for you.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
Yeah you're right.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Then again, I did call him the Gravy of crack
and hockey, which gravy is not real good for you either,
But it's so good.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
So delicious, and you want it on everything.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
It makes everything better.
Speaker 5 (31:36):
I mean, if Everett was calling every game of your
life or narrating your life, how happy would.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
You be that'd be wonderful. Actually, if he would just
follow me around and be like, now and he's going
out to light the barbecue.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
Light the barbecue or go to the bathroom, one or
the other.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
I don't want him necessarily following me everywhere.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
He wouldn't go in the bathroom with you.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
He would just announce that I'm going, yes, and then
he would like go he came, he'd be.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
Like, oh.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Wow, that would be scary but interesting.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
You know.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
What to think about.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Something else that would be is going to be interesting,
is is whether or not I actually pull the trigger
on this idea of going and tailgating with the Medleys
and your crew, old crew.
Speaker 5 (32:22):
What do you mean if you pull the trigger? I
thought we already decided this was happening. We're now having
second thoughts. Palmer the Great is ten now eleven eleven.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
Yeah, she is a trash talker.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
By the way, barn is only eight and he is
very kind, very kind.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
Talk trash to him. She'll talk trash to you, Okay. Yeah.
She boos Bonex every time she sees him on TV.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
That is not right.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
I'm like, okay, well, we don't hate on Bonus anymore.
She's like I do. Mom.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
I was like, wow, okay, you've brainwashed this poor child.
I didn't mean to No, I think you did it.
Speaker 5 (32:54):
I didn't know that years later, after he'd left Oregon,
it would stick with her.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
That is not good. No, so good.
Speaker 5 (33:01):
So she'll comment, probably on the horrible Oregon clothing you're wearing.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Which is not going to be horrible. It's mostly black.
Who doesn't like black.
Speaker 5 (33:11):
She'll probably look at the O and go something like ugh, yeah,
but that's it. And then she'll be happy to see you,
especially because here's what you have to know about Palmer
the Great and what has transpired over this last week.
I told her that Chuck was out and that just
you and I would be on the show. And then
she said, she said your name. Oh, she that's what
it was. We heard your one of your ads. She goes, hey, folks,
(33:34):
I said, that's right, Bucky Jacobson here. And then she
says your name in a different way, and I go, no,
you got to call him Bookie Yokerson. Oh, and now
she finds that to be the best name that has
ever been given, Yakerson.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
So so she's a little bit bilingual. Then that's good.
Bookie Jkerson. That was that what I was called in
Dominican and Venezuela, which you just take it. It's not
one of those We've had that discussion here. Why don't
people correct pronunciation of their names. It's typically like Latin players, right,
I mean, I played with Marco Scutero, and yet it
(34:08):
was Scutaro, is what I thought his name was as
a teammate, and that's what our our announcer called him.
Next up your second basement, Marco's Scutaro. And then apparently
years later we find out that Scutero and I guess
it's just you just go with it. Another country Scutero.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
It's easier to say too. I don't know, it just
rolls off the tongue a little better.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
But I mean, could you imagine me going up to
the Venezuelan announcer like, it's not Bookie, Yeah, it's Bucky.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
I can't imagine it, and we wouldn't have the laughs
we have today if you had.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
That's true, That is true. At least they didn't call
me announce me as the red chicken. That would have
been less fun.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
She will probably call you Bookie when she said Bookie.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Yeah, okay, Well I'm I'm okay with a little trash talk.
I just more so. My son has not been This
will be his first entrance into that atmosphere. I did
take him to the Broncos Seahawk game last season, and
yet that was pretty tame and I kept it low key,
like I didn't go into an environment like this one
where I'm gonna know people and there's gonna be open
(35:10):
trash talking, joking. Yeah, and so I'm curious to see.
I mean, he needs a little trial by fire. Never
heard anybody.
Speaker 4 (35:17):
It'll be some people. You know, it'll be fine, You'll
be fun.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Okay, you'll be great. Well, you're gonna have to let
me know where it is. I will tailgating will commence
leading up to the Huskies.
Speaker 4 (35:26):
I just would not do the Survivor Flip Cup. If
you want to keep a team, you don't play Survivor
Flip Cup. If you want to keep a team.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Oh really, yeah, I don't know what that is, but
I probably will.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
A great game. Maybe we'll talk about it in one
last thing.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
Okay, it sounds like a plan. All right, Well, what
we're going to talk about next is some more college football,
but with somebody that knows what he's talking about. Stick
around and see who that is. You know him, you
love him. Right after this break on Sports Radio ninety
three point three KJRFM,
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