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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Heoln up in the shotgun. He's got McCaffrey too, was left.
Two receivers right, single man left. Here's the SNAT party
back looking left, Rose left off the slam cut by
Jennings inside.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
The block breaks the tackling and he had the.

Speaker 3 (00:12):
One touchdown forty nine ers.

Speaker 4 (00:15):
Chawat Jennings made that catch. It looked like the Panthers
hadn't wrapped up, but he bounced out, spun to his
left into the end zone for a twelve yard touchdown,
and San Francisco is taking.

Speaker 3 (00:27):
A six to nothing lead.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
Second down of three, forty nine ers at the Panthers
twelve I formation party under center. Here's the snap toss play.
McCaffrey running left, has a block, cuts it up down
to the five.

Speaker 4 (00:38):
McCaffrey to the end zone, touchdown, forty nine ers on
twelve yard touchdown run for Christian McCaffery, his seventh rushing
touchdown of the year, his twelfth overall, and the forty
nine ers lead.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
Is sixteen to three. Tavian Sanders in motion from left
to right. Young back pump think he was right, rush
coming grows deep down.

Speaker 4 (00:57):
The field, got a man caught touchdown. Carolina it's tenor
Rollo mc billin. He beat Bernano Green right down the
scene on twenty nine yard Touchsnowns right and with forty
nine seconds to go with the third it's now the
forty nine or seventeen.

Speaker 1 (01:12):
The Panthers nine have the pat coming up.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
Thank you Westwood One for those highlights. I didn't call
them headlines this time. I'm making progress.

Speaker 5 (01:24):
I do.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
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(01:46):
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(02:08):
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one of those. So thank you to Tito's for that
bad Boy. We do have some headlines, obviously, Seattle Seahawks
moving on from the Tennessee Titans win and the Vikings

(02:32):
come into town. That will be interesting. This is where
Sam Donald was last year. This is they came in
last year and beat the Seahawks with Sam Donald. So
the one nice thing is, well, I shouldn't say nice thing.
One thing that's in the favor of the Seahawks is
you don't know for sure who's going to be playing

(02:53):
quarterback for the team you're going against. I think Max
what's his name Brosnan had pulled up here somewhere. We'll
ask Greg about it. They have a quarterback that played
at New Hampshire and then transferred to Minnesota is probably
going to be the quarterback because JJ McCarthy is in
concussion protocol. Another quarterback news, Zach Taylor confirms Joe Burrow

(03:18):
is going to play on Thanksgiving Night. That is going
to be interesting to see if he can turn a
season that has been horrible around or if he can
just stay healthy for that matter. Baker Mayfield also got
hurt in the Monday Night Football or Sunday Night Football
game Sunday Night football game that he had a low
grade shoulder spraying. Word is they don't know for sure

(03:39):
if he's in to play, but it sounds like he's
going to try to play through it. Obviously. Coming up
this weekend is the Huskies hosting the Ducks. That is
going to be a good one. Ashley and I are
going to continue to talk trash to one another. She
likes playing that darn song all the time, and I
think that maybe her daughter's going to try to beat

(03:59):
my sun up when we tailgate together. So that'll be interesting.
We'll find out how that whole thing pans out. But
as of right now, it is time that we get
our Seahawks insider Greg Bell on the horn.

Speaker 6 (04:10):
With the bell tolls, it must be seven o'clock and
time for twelfth Man News with Greg Bell. Brought to
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Here's Greg Bell with Chuck and bund.

Speaker 3 (04:34):
Oh those celebratory bells right there, those are always nice. Greg.
Are you ready for Thanksgiving? Are you? Are you preparing
for Christmas already? Which boat are you in? Do you
prematurely celebrate Christmas or not?

Speaker 5 (04:48):
No?

Speaker 3 (04:48):
Had a boy? Thank you?

Speaker 5 (04:50):
Yeah? Wait, Thanksgiving gets its beautiful place. It's a good
holiday for us. My daughter's home from Connecticut for college,
and yeah, Thanksgivings a big deal for us.

Speaker 3 (04:59):
How about your boy? Is he going to be around
or no?

Speaker 5 (05:01):
Oh yeah, he's here too, okay before of us. It's
like old times again.

Speaker 3 (05:05):
Nice.

Speaker 5 (05:06):
So yeah, we're I was talking to about. We went
to a boxing class last night. I haven't done that
since my yearly year West Point. I've had to take boxing.
It was fun and we didn't just do the aerobic boxing.
We were actually with gloves and took me a little bit
of shadow sparring.

Speaker 3 (05:23):
Okay, so there was no actual punch, no sparring. Well,
punch each other, did you that?

Speaker 7 (05:31):
Punches each other?

Speaker 5 (05:32):
Stay carrying punches? But my wife thought I got in
a little too many extra on her.

Speaker 3 (05:38):
Oh so yeah, you've got some making up to do.
For Thanksgiving. It sounds like, yeah, yeah, I'm not going
to mess with my wife any longer.

Speaker 5 (05:47):
I'm smarter than that. Yeah, my wife could.

Speaker 3 (05:51):
Kick my just drop my gloves like I'm done, I quit.

Speaker 5 (05:54):
I quit.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
A good call, by the way, happy wife, happy life.
Definitely don't punch your wife too terrible times, at least
if it's not in fun.

Speaker 7 (06:01):
Yeah, if you're not boxing, never do it.

Speaker 3 (06:03):
Yeah, never do.

Speaker 5 (06:04):
It that way.

Speaker 3 (06:05):
Obviously. I don't think we have to. I don't think
we have to tell Greg that. Well gee, I mean
we're kind of moving on right. Turkey Day is making
the week a little bit shorter. Football will be here
before you know it. I mean, we actually never talked
about the fact that you got today and tomorrow and
then you got five basically five straight days of football
if you include Saturday, which is a big day for

(06:28):
college football this week with all the rivalry games. But
Seahawks are moving on right. They end up pulling out
a w got a little sloppy, got a little bit
closer than anybody thought it should be. But now it's
time to move towards the vikings. I mean, I guess
one storyline, Sam Donald, that's where he played last year.
He brought this same team in saans him obviously and

(06:50):
obviously a few other changes, and beat the Seahawks here
last season. You think Sam Donald's thinking anything about that
or is there any information that he's being able to
give to where it gives even more of an advantage
to the Seahawks.

Speaker 5 (07:06):
Yeah, I do think this is not an ordinary game
for him, and there's a tangible advantage that he knows
the style and the play calling of Kevin O'Connell. And
he won't ever admit to this this week, and he'll
say it's another game, But this is the team Minnesota
that resurrected his career, and it was an accidental resurrection

(07:27):
because JJ McCarthy was supposed to be the starter as
the rookie tenth overall pick last year, blows out his
knee in the summer and Sam Donald's hand at the job.
A lot of fans might know during the season when
they needed veteran depth, this Vikings actually had Sam Donalds
starting Daniel Jones as the back up, and they let

(07:47):
both of them go, and now McCarthy not only is concussed,
he's struggled up to that point. The Vikings are four
and seven. You mentioned the undrafted rookie quarterback from New
Hampshire Minnesota, Brosmer, who's in line to start because Carson
Wentz is out with a shoulder injury. You have as
many injuries and in effect in this a quarterback, you're

(08:09):
going to be four and seven, like the playoff team
Minnesota's got. They went from fourteen and three with Sam
Donald last year to four and seven without them this year.
There are a lot of people in Minnesota and maybe
someone that Viking's building who will regret the decisions they've
made at quarterback so far. And we'll see what McCarthy become.
He's only ten games in his NFL career. But to

(08:32):
say the least, this is setting up optimally for the Seahawks,
and so I think we, oh.

Speaker 8 (08:37):
And is it setting up optimally for their defense because obviously,
you know, we talked about how they were slopping in
the second half last weekend, and you attributed quite a
bit of that to injuries, which is, you know, obviously
a big issue. So do we have any updates. I'm
hearing that maybe Ernest Jones and Tyreese Night are playing.

Speaker 5 (08:55):
At night more than Jones looks like he's untracked by
Night is emerging from the concussion proto called Mike McDonald
told us yesterday, and it looks like he'll practice on Wednesday.
The inside weekside linebacker Ernest Jones is quote itching to play,
McDonald said, but that they're going to see on beginning
Wednesday if he can get on the field. They usually

(09:16):
give him rest days on Wednesday, veteran rest days, so
he may not get on the field till Thursday, which
will be more of an indication of whether he can play.
In my sense, Ashley is that they're both going to
play okay and that will help. And Julian Love is
eligible to come back off injured reserve to return to
practice this week. So is Eric Salbert a veteran tight

(09:36):
end as a matter of fact, But McDonald said he's
not yet ready to declare that Love's going to do that.
They're trying to be conservative with him so that he
can come back and stay back for the rest of
the season. But they could have three starters back on
defense and the defense that needs it right now.

Speaker 3 (09:54):
Jee there's not a lot of coaches in the league, obviously.
Mike McDonald's a year and a half into is head
coaching tenure. But so there's not a lot of resume
on there, and yet this is one guy who at
this point has the upper hand. Want to know, in
Kevin O'Connell, do you recall anything from last year that
was troublesome because we give a lot of credit Kevin

(10:16):
o'donald gets a lot of credit for play calling in
the offensive mind. And so we just watched a game
a couple of weeks ago where it was McVeigh his
offensive mind against you know, McDonald's defensive mind, and and
it turned out to be quite the battle and most
certainly one that I think, regardless of the outcome of
the game, people might think Mike McDonald won that that
part of the battle. This is one where that it

(10:38):
was not the case last year the Minnesota Vikings beat
the Seahawks. And so, how are you feeling or how
should people be feeling about the Kevin O'Connell McDonald matchup?

Speaker 5 (10:48):
Well, Bucky, to me, the biggest difference between the Seahawks
defense right now and last year when the Vikings came
in here is pass rush, and they weren't really effective
in affecting Donald enough. He threw three touchdowns, no interceptions
in almost three hundred yards that game in Seattle last year.
About this time this year, he's been able to McDonald's

(11:10):
been able to get pressure with the front four. Now
against Tennessee, he blitzed Devin Witherspoon in particular, more than
he's blitzed Witherspoon I've noticed in an entire game, Witherspoon
got home a couple times. I was joking with Witherspoon
after the game in Nashville Sunday that he should have
gotten some of the sack that Derek Hall got because
Witherspoon's blitz sent cam Ward right in to Derek Hall

(11:31):
for that sack. Those Halls for a sack of the season. Haul,
by the way, told me that he'd been waiting forever
for that, for like years since he last sat the sack.
But they they have options now in pressuring. They can
rely on their front four with Leonard Williams and Byron Murphy,
who picked up another sack. He told me that he's
passed his sack goal already for this season and he

(11:54):
still had six games to play. To Marcus Lawrence, those
guys have really changed formed how McDonald can play defense
now he can be trickier with O'Connell than he was
last year. He was trickier with mcmcveigh a couple of
weeks ago than he was last year against the Rams.
If you can pressure with four and have seven back

(12:15):
there to play all kinds of coverage as shell man
Man's own hybrids, cover four, cover six, two deep, single high,
it's just dealer's choice back there for the play caller
on defense. If your front four is getting home and
now you're gonna get a rookie quarterback, and undrafted rookie
quarterback who's never seen what McDonald's New Hampshire's the defensive

(12:37):
New Hampshire phase for four of his five college season,
never ever did what McDonald's gonna throw at him on Sunday.
That's the decisive advantage for Seattle here, so O'Connell, it
could be Bill Wallash, it doesn't matter. The cards are
so in Seattle's favor here of an undrafted rookie quarterback
against a team that's getting pressure with four, that allows

(12:58):
McDonald to play every thing Poe Prie on his defense.

Speaker 8 (13:02):
Greg It was noticeable in Nashville the Seahawks amount of
Seahawks fans that traveled, and I have noticed it on
TV listening or watching the games. You can hear there's
been a couple of games where you can hear Seahawks
fans being very vocal during the game. McDonald talked a
little bit about it yesterday. What did he have to say,
just kind of giving the fans some flowers.

Speaker 5 (13:22):
Well, I'm sure somebody in the organization asked him to
say it, because he was talking about how many Seahawks
fans that were on Broadway. And let me tell you,
I was up and down Broadway for two nights. Mike
McDonald was not on Broadway Saturday or Sunday nights. So
someone tipped them off to that, and there were there
were a ton of Seahawks fans everywhere we went. And

(13:43):
then in the stadium. That stadium, the upper deck was
maybe half full. The Titans are one to ten. Yeah,
it was gonna be loud even if a few Seahawks
fans showed up, and a lot of them did. And
a lot of Seahawks fans live across the country in
the Central and Eastern Times zone. This is an easy
trip for that. I talked to a couple Seahork fans
from the Baltimore, Washington area, from New England, from Atlanta,

(14:08):
that there was an easier trip for them. Then of
course come to Seattle, so that contributed all of it.
And then in the stadium is what has happened. Ashley,
You're right, you can hear the Seahawk fans, but just
under McDonald, Seattle's twelve and two on the road, So
twelve out of fourteen times the home team fans are
leaving early and are ticked off and aren't saying anything,

(14:28):
and the only people left that are yelling are Seahawks fans,
which makes it easier for people to hear them on
television because they're the only ones making noise. With six
minutes left in that game, I put a video on
Twitter about it. The exits were full, everyone left was
still six minutes left. Even though the Titans ended up
making it look good at the m with a cosmetic touchdown,
the only people left in the stands were Seayork fans.

(14:51):
So then the fans can preen to the visitors and
everything else and it becomes a Seahawks show on the road.
McDonald yesterday said that in all his coaching career, which
is about twelve years now, a couple in college at
Georgia and ten with the Baltimore Ravens and now two
with the Seahorks. He's never seen a road crowd of
a visiting team like he did in Nashville. And he

(15:11):
did say that the players love that and they feed
off of that. And when you win as often as
they've been winning on the road, sometimes this can be
the result. Yeah, those planes are packed with Seahawk fans,
and it is a different experience for these players that
go on the road be as successful as they are
and have so many fans cheering for him.

Speaker 3 (15:30):
Greg the last year, I mean justin Jefferson went off
in the game against against Seattle. I remember that, and
yet that was when he had Sam Darnold throwing the
ball to him, and now not only does he not
have his first or second string quarterbacks going to be
that Max Brosner, I mean, is this situation where when
it comes to the past game you just flat out

(15:52):
do you just say he's not getting anything? I mean,
we are going to shut him down and then you
see if they can possibly run the ball against that,
which doesn't seem likely. Or is this one where because
they're going to be having Max Brosmer back there. You're
kind of not all that worried about the passing game period.

Speaker 5 (16:10):
Well, you're right. Jefferson was ten for one hundred and
forty four and two touchdowns with Donald. Donald targets him
thirteen times in that game. He only threw thirty five
times and thirteen of them were to Jefferson. The game
plan will be what it always is against the quarterback
that is starting out for the first time, a young

(16:31):
rookie quarterback, stop the run first. Kevin O'Connell, of course,
will hope that he can run the ball so that
Brosmer doesn't have to try to win the game on
the road by himself in longyard situations. So Seattle's game
plan will start with Minnesota's run game, and I would
expect O'Connell will lean heavily on it. And if the
Seahawks can get long third downs, which they did not

(16:51):
get in Tennessee, which I mentioned yesterday. Much of the
reason that the Titans made that game a little bit
interesting at the end and all the third and fourth
down versions they had it is because they were short
third and fourth downs. The reason they went for so
many fourth downs other than they were losing was because
it was fourth and one or two or three or
four instead of fourth and fifteen that they were converting.
And that's because primarily camp Ward and It's playmaking got

(17:16):
them in short yardage situation. So Seattle's game plans stop
the run, make the Vikings one dimensional, and with an
unrafted rookie quarterback, if they have third and ten the
Vikings do all game long, the Seahawks will win. That's
job one. Stop the early down runs and then let
your defense dictate the rest of the game. Honestly, it's

(17:37):
on paper and on with your eyes. This should be
less of a challenge for the defense than cam Ward
the Titans, where even though the Titans are one and ten,
because of the quarterback situation in the league, the quarterback
is it and if you have an undrafted third string
rookie quarterback, you should lose that game home and away
one hundred percent of the time in this league, turnovers

(17:59):
are always a mitigating actor. Yes, keep the hold of
the ball, but the Seahawks have no excuse. If Brozmer
ends up playing, and it looks like he will, the
Seaks would have no excuse to lose this game to
a third string rookie quarterback with the defense Seattle. That's
regardless of what Seattle's offense does.

Speaker 3 (18:15):
All right, all right, gee, well I appreciate it. Uh,
and you go ahead and have fun. I don't know
for sure if you should go to like a jiu
jitsu class or anything tonight. If your wife invites you,
there might be payback in store.

Speaker 5 (18:29):
Yeah, she's probably gonna have like an MMA class up for.

Speaker 3 (18:34):
Just have some black belt guy or some UFC fighter
like you're you're rolling with him, Greg, have fun.

Speaker 5 (18:41):
Yeah, that's probably next. Yeah, we'll have me. We'll go
skiing and rocks into a bunch of trees. She ows
one for sure.

Speaker 3 (18:50):
Yeah. All right, Well take care of that lady, and
happy Thanksgiving. We'll talk to you tomorrow. We'll do that
roundtable tomorrow.

Speaker 5 (18:58):
Yes, sir, I have a good Tuesday. Thanks.

Speaker 3 (19:00):
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Radio ninety three point three kJ RFM. Oh is that
who that is?

Speaker 7 (19:50):
Not lewis Man?

Speaker 3 (19:52):
You know I just added his newest album to my
Apple plaything Yet I Jill still didn't know that was him.
I'm horrible at that game, but it is what it is. Well,
we got a superstar on her hands when it comes
to JSN and obviously breaking the single season Seahawks record,

(20:15):
that's one thing that is impressive in and of itself.
And yet now I'm wondering if we start the conversation
or if it's too early to start the conversation of
how far away he is from tracking down the all
time record that is held by megatroling. Calvin Johnson back
in twenty twelve, had nineteen hundred and sixty four yards.

(20:38):
Right now, JSN sitting at thirteen thirteen, so one three
hundred and thirteen yards. That is a difference of six
hundred and fifty one yards. Based on my Hermiston High
School math and Lewis Clark State math as well, really
really good math programs at both of those places, I
can tell you one hundred and eight and a half
yards per game. He would need to average over the

(20:59):
final six to tie that basically, so that in a
couple of inches here and there, and he would be
the all time leader or best single season. Now that
the guy second on the list is Cooper Cup. He
finished less than twenty yards shy of breaking that record
back in twenty twenty one, and so he's got a
guy right there in the clubhouse. So that knows exactly

(21:21):
how hard it is to have a season that he's
on pace for having. Right now, do you feel like
it's premature to start the countdown of you know, chipping
away at that six hundred and fifty one yards that
JSN has to get to be the all time best
single season receiver yardage.

Speaker 8 (21:37):
Wise, absolutely not. I was looking up his stats earlier
and it is. I think he's averaging what one hundred
and eighteen yards per game.

Speaker 3 (21:44):
Something like that.

Speaker 8 (21:44):
Yeah, that's six games left. Yeah, yeah, No, I don't
think that's too early.

Speaker 7 (21:48):
It's about the perfect time.

Speaker 3 (21:49):
About the perfect time. So okay, well, I mean I
think it's it's a you know that he's thinking about it.
I think if I remember correctly this weekend when he
broke the single season record, he had caught a ball
and then kept that ball like he's paying attention. I
think guys pay attention to that a lot. I think
they understand where they're at as far as the you

(22:11):
know rule the record books go, and and rightfully so,
you know, you you have a nice, big house with
multiple mantles, you might as well put trophies on him
if you're earning them. And and I think that he's
cognizant of it. At the same time, it's in this game,
especially for a guy that is getting as many catches
as he is, it's I mean, it's one of those

(22:32):
Staying healthy I think is really the only thing. And
obviously him healthy, Sam Darnold healthy. I don't know for
sure if you're feeling real good if if well, obviously
if he was to go down, that would go, that
would and we're not I think that he's very good.
He obviously does more after the catch than Tyler Lockett did.
But Tyler Lockett was very available over the course of

(22:53):
his career because he understood I'm not a big dude. Now,
js N's built better or built different than Tyler Lockett.
He can take a hit here and there. And yet
the fact that there's it seems like half of the
passing game every single week runs through JSN. You've got
to be smart. You got to you know, make sure

(23:14):
that you don't get twisted up on when you could
have just you know, went down when the first guy
has got you wrapped up. And so I'm not thinking
it's too soon to talk about it. If anything, it's
I think it's right about the perfect time to start
having the discussion. I mean, I think the more interesting
conversation is the fact that there's most people are giving

(23:36):
him the flowers that he deserves, right. I mean, we're
over halfway through the season, but not far beyond the
midway point, and so there's still a long ways to go.

Speaker 5 (23:45):
And yet it.

Speaker 3 (23:45):
Feels like, you know, there still is this is he
the best in the game right now? And I think
that you do have to put up more than one
and a half good years before you can knock a
guy like Jamar Chase or Justin Jefferson, if those are
the two primo guys. But the George Pickett I heard,
I think it was dan Or Lofsky was talking about

(24:07):
that he should be in the conversation, and people were
up in arms, Seattle fans, what are you talking about?
He's not even the best this season. And it's like
he wasn't saying he is the best in the game.
He was saying he's playing like he belongs in the conversation,
just like we're saying JSN belongs in that conversation right now.
And so I think it's interesting how a lot of

(24:29):
times Seahawk fans are just Seattle fans feel slighted. There's
some slights that happen because we are all the way
on the left coast and there's a lot of people
that are, you know, east of the Mississippi that don't
watch games that are played as late as they are
here because of the time difference. And yet I think
within the NFL community, anybody that follows the sport closely

(24:51):
from coast to coast. I think they're recognizing exactly what
JSN is bringing to the table right now, and that
is something that's on pace to be historic.

Speaker 8 (24:58):
Well, and here's the thing too, is first of all,
they're always going to try to find to have a
or try to find a way to have a conversation
involving the Dallas Cowboys. The Dallas Cowboys, especially on ESPN,
they're going to bring them up as many times as
they can. But also you want to actually have a
conversation about the top five wide receivers in the NFL. Yes,
right now, JSN seems to have put himself above everybody else.

(25:22):
But you've got George Pickens, Pukin Akua, aman Ros, Saint Brown,
and Jamar Chase right below him. And so you've got
six weeks left of the season. These conversations have to
be had. They've got to come up with things to
talk about, and they're always gonna, as I said, try
to find a way to work the Cowboys in. George
Pickens is having a good season, so he shouldn't be
ignored and saying that he should be or has put

(25:44):
himself into the conversation for one of the best wide
receivers in the NFL. That doesn't mean that Jackson Smith
and Jigba is not also one of the best wide
receivers in the NFL.

Speaker 7 (25:54):
It doesn't.

Speaker 8 (25:55):
It doesn't take anything away from Jackson Smith and Jigball. Honestly,
if you're talking about how great George Pickens looks right
now and Jackson Smith and Jigba is having a better
season than him, then it just makes jack Jackson Smith
and Jigba even better.

Speaker 5 (26:08):
Right.

Speaker 7 (26:09):
So, and I look, I.

Speaker 8 (26:10):
Did the math, not Hermiston math, oh calculator, phone math,
and seven hundred and sixteen yards is how many he
would get if he kept his average over the next
six games.

Speaker 7 (26:22):
And he wouldn't need what six hundred and forty you said.

Speaker 3 (26:24):
Shakes hundred and fifty one, six hundred and fifty one.

Speaker 7 (26:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (26:26):
So he's had three games this season where he's had
under one hundred receiving yards. Two of them were against
Arizona and one was ninety six yards against the Saints.
Everything else has been over one hundred yards.

Speaker 5 (26:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (26:38):
Well, and I think if you look, you know, dive
into the numbers. I don't think that the numbers always
tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Because
of the fact that you just said a couple of
his games where he did an eclipse the hundred yard
mark was against Arizona. If you're blowing somebody out, then
you're not passing the ball. I mean for multiple reasons. One,
you're there's a respect factor typically, and then two, why

(26:59):
would you be you know, running Jackson Smith and Jigba
across the middle when you're up three scores against the
division rival, just so that somebody can try to take
a cheap shot or try to lay him out. That's
that wouldn't be smart at all. I am. I think Viking.
I think there could be a good game against the Vikings.
I think the Falcons have a porous secondary. The Colts

(27:20):
are like I think they might be trending down and
so you might catch them in a few weeks where
they're susceptible to that. They kind of they're more of
an offensive team. Yeah, they got a tough schedule. They're
gonna go out there and be getting beat around week
in and week out. They're not gonna have a bunch
the Rams. He goes off against the Rams. Even as
good as their defense is, he tends to go off
against them, and I think that it's gonna come down

(27:43):
to the wire. Obviously, all things considered, you have to
just stay healthy and go out there and keep playing
the way that you are, and Sam Darnold needs to
do the same. But I'm feeling pretty confident that he's
going to be We're gonna be having this conversation for
the next month and a half, and I hope that
he does it because he just seems like the type
of guy that is easy to cheer for.

Speaker 7 (28:01):
Yeah. Absolutely, I'm looking forward to it.

Speaker 3 (28:03):
All right, Well, well we'll see that how that the
chase of Megatron continues. On the other side of this
break though, we're going to get to finally talk to
our one of our favorite guests, the Ref, the ref
that takes us inside of how this whole thing works,
because there's frustration just about every single week, and we'll
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Speaker 3 (28:50):
Ah, welcome back to the program. It is Chucking Buck
in the morning minus Chuck. I'm interested to see how
our next guest is going to feel when there's no
Chucky here for him. Gene, how you know.

Speaker 5 (29:01):
I'm doing well? Brother?

Speaker 9 (29:02):
Hey, listen, he's not here, so take as many shots
as we can today. I mean, he's not here to
defend himself, Bucky. Let's go at it.

Speaker 3 (29:10):
Yeah, I agree. I mean I think it would be
great on his time off if we were just to
follow him around like with a whistle, and you know
when he's doing like a walk and he all of
a sudden, it's like slow rolling across the crosswalk when
the red hand comes up, and we're like, hey, picking up,
pick up the pace. Let's go throw a flag on

(29:30):
him for stalling or something.

Speaker 5 (29:33):
I like it. I like it.

Speaker 9 (29:34):
We should throw a few flags on him as well, Bucky.

Speaker 5 (29:37):
I think it's a great idea.

Speaker 3 (29:38):
Well, Jean, we have Geene's territory here, rules official. He
is a former NFL referee for many years. Everybody knows
who you are, and so I'll keep the introduction somewhat
short and sweet, but I am interested. I mean, with
this Thanksgiving schedule, we got games on Thursday on Thanksgiving Day,
and then Black Friday, and then you got college games

(30:01):
and all these big you know, rivalry games that are
coming down, and then Sunday and Monday night football as well.
So I mean, are you basically working around the clock.
Are you going to get any time to fit in
some turkey?

Speaker 9 (30:14):
I don't know that I'm want to see the turkey
until probably next Monday, Bucky, which means there's maybe two
or three places.

Speaker 5 (30:21):
Of that you know turkey breath.

Speaker 9 (30:22):
It's pretty dry on the tupperware where you know, got
to ease a half a jarao to get it a
little bit, you know, get it back.

Speaker 5 (30:29):
To where it needs to be.

Speaker 9 (30:30):
But now I actually get to I am fortunate that
I get to go on locations for Thanksgiving.

Speaker 5 (30:36):
We'll be with Jim, Tony.

Speaker 9 (30:37):
And Tracy in Dallas for the Chiefs on Thursday, but
then off again Friday morning back to the CBS studios
in New York for two football games Friday, and then
another college football game Saturday, and then just for the
you know dessert of the Thanksgiving week, I think five
or six NFL games on Sundays.

Speaker 5 (30:55):
So this a little bit of a busy week.

Speaker 9 (30:59):
And then the most anxiety, truthfully, is that black bridy
does fall, I think somewhere in these four days. And
the wife has asked me to leave all three credit cards.

Speaker 5 (31:09):
On the kitchen table before I think so.

Speaker 9 (31:13):
If you hear that in my voice at some point
over the week, you'll know that it's not because I'm
worried about the play that I'm about.

Speaker 3 (31:19):
To rule on.

Speaker 5 (31:20):
Uh huh.

Speaker 9 (31:20):
I'm wondering why that third blink on my phone just
said that I've reached the maximum on the other credit card,
or I don't they just phoned to say, hey, if
somebody sold your credit cards, I'm gonna be like, yes, er.

Speaker 3 (31:32):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm out of town, arrest that woman.
That's that's that's funny. I'm with you on that, but
then again, it is what it is. Go ahead, I'll
be at home watching the football game, so go get
your Christmas shopping done. I suppose, well, I'm Jean. There
was there was a few things this weekend, not a ton,
but there was one in particular in the in the

(31:54):
Seahawks game that right when it happened, I was like, oh,
I can't wait to ask Jean that because the idea
of how difficult it is to play defense obviously in
the NFL nowadays, and I mean, I think it's always
been that way, but it does feel like that it
is a little bit more difficult the amount of hands
that you can or can't put on somebody before they're

(32:16):
going to throw a flag. And yet on the alternate
side of the offensive pass interference, we had a play
where Jackson Smith and Jake but who's having a historic
season at this point in time, he ended up kind
of and he does this great. I think it's just
a trick of the trade. And yet I want to
know from the referees perspective, where is the line drawn?
Because he had a play where is a deep ball

(32:39):
thrown you know, kind of dropped right in the bucket.
But he's really good at slowing down and now all
of a sudden essentially using his body to defend or
deflect the defender away from him a little bit, and
then speeds up just a little bit and then he
just ever so subtly, he puts his hand out and
just says, yep, that's as close as you get to get,

(32:59):
knowing that the wall is gonna drop right out of
his fingertips reach. And so how how do you decipher
how much is a push off and how much is
just really good receiver play?

Speaker 5 (33:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (33:12):
You know what, look great point And I really as
I watched that play and look at it too, you
just hit on all these elements. I think we talked
a little last week right hand fighting. Hand fighting, let
the player get his hand, push a little bit to
get the hands off, and it's that great area a
little where you do allow some separation to happen because

(33:34):
of the flavor of the play, and they're all unique.
And in this situation, I think you really worded it
perfectly because I always looked at it like, you know,
there is this little window where you're going to gain
a little bit of an advantage here because you have
mastered your craft so well. And if you even watch
JSN like he does it, it's not like he's pushing

(33:54):
a player off like up around the shoulder pads either.
Usually the really good ones is kind of right around
the waist. It's a low hand. It's not significant where
they have a complete arm extension. You don't see the
defensive player go back two or three steps, but you
see this just futtle little nudge and then it kind
of goes right from the nudge with the in the

(34:14):
handstart to go right up because he's time that nudge
so well that the football is inevitably a second away
as well, So it doesn't rise to that level of
materially really affecting this play. Like it doesn't jump off
the screen at you. But you see it and you're like, dude,
is there a little bit of separation right before the
ball got there? And then you'll watch the replay and

(34:36):
naturally we slow it down. It always looks worse and
you think, man, that's a push off, right. And but
then for me, in the way I know I referee
and the way I hope that our crew did week
in and week out, I think that edge is what
allows great players to be great without really taking advantage
or fouling in a very aggressive fashion, but just creating

(35:00):
minor advantage in huning the craft. And I think the
same should apply for d backs. He puts your arm
around the receiver's waist, you reach the other hand around.
I don't turn him, but I used his body for leverage,
but I didn't restrict anything. Let the defensive back get
that play in as well. So I think in that window,
I think what jays then did was he took everything

(35:21):
that I think by the letter of the law, maybe
he separates, but in the philosophy of the game, I
think he takes it right to that edge and wins
on a play that doesn't jump off the screen. And
I to me, I think those plays are really good
no calls. And I think that is one of the
things that when we try to train in.

Speaker 5 (35:40):
Officials, it's not so much making.

Speaker 9 (35:43):
The calls, he said, just the big ones.

Speaker 5 (35:45):
You get.

Speaker 9 (35:46):
The art is, at what point do we leave that
play alone, right and leave it as a no call
and let athletes be athletes. This play I thought fell
right to that level, and I'm glad they didn't throw
on it because I don't think it's I just don't
think it. The dback takes a little half step backward,
and yes, it's tiny bit of separation, but not enough.

(36:06):
Just we used to say in the trade, like it's
not big enough. Didn't feel big enough to me, but
a really great.

Speaker 7 (36:12):
Play, Okay, Gene.

Speaker 8 (36:14):
I'm curious then, because in hearing about you know, yes,
I do agree that defensive backs and wide receivers should
be able to give, you know, get those little benefits
to themselves in as long as you're not fully hampering
the person on the opposite side of the ball. Now,
last night in San Francisco's game, and at the end
of the Bengals game, I saw what I would have

(36:34):
thought probably could have been called as past interference, especially
it was the last play of the Bengals game. Mike
de Ski falls to the ground before the ball even
I think it was before the ball even got there,
and there was a no call. I didn't know if
maybe because it's the end of the game, are they
just kind of allowing a little bit more, you know,
of a little bit more from the defense, a little
bit more from the offense because you don't want that

(36:55):
call to be the call that changes the game.

Speaker 9 (36:58):
Yeah, I mean it's fair. I think the hell Mary play.
We always have allowed much more boxing out and pushing
when you see their score or five players near the
end zone, like boxing each other out and going up
to this ball. So I do think there's a little
more that happens there the play that you're referring to
at the end of the Bengals game. Only thing I

(37:20):
could say in defense of the officials is the receiver like,
I think there's interference. I think it's a past interference play.
I always try to teleport Downalder though, and try to
remember what it was like in that split second moment.
Now does the receivers the ball a little behind him?
Does he lose his seat a little as that contact
taking place? Not that I'm looking for reason not to

(37:41):
call it, but you want to try to digest everything
before you make that decision. But with all of that said,
it wasn't the best drone ball, but I do think
there was enough contact there, truthfully by the defensive player
to warrant that flag. And look at the one thing
that officials always have to stay true to it and

(38:03):
it's just something that you must must embrace, is Look,
the first preseason game has to be officiated in that
same philosophy as the Super Bowl does.

Speaker 5 (38:12):
Because you can't.

Speaker 9 (38:13):
You can't play time and score or value of when
I'm going to make this call or not. You get
into this fine window you hope of what we're going
to allow happen and what we're not going to allow
to happen. And the one thing I will say from
all coaches, players and anybody that I really respected in
this game, the only word that they use to me

(38:35):
always was will you just stay consistent? Just make it consistent,
because when we know what you're going to do, then
we can adjust. But if you're all over the place
where you let this one go at the end of
the game, that you called this on the end of
the second quarter, now you've hurt the integrity of the
game and the way that we can play it. And

(38:56):
I think that's where the challenges are. And then again,
as you say, if it falls in the last play
of the game, it didn't extend, you would have had
a defensive file there. It wasn't going to be the
difference between the game and not. At that point, you were.

Speaker 5 (39:07):
Just going to give them another play.

Speaker 9 (39:10):
But a foul is a foul, right, And I think
you need to live in that window, and at certain
times you've got to throw everything else out the door
and work the play. But I thought it was passing
the appearance I did well.

Speaker 3 (39:22):
Gene that's okay. So I kind of want to tie
into that a little more because you were you were
just talking, and I agree one hundred percent. You can't
to be like, well, this is not that much on
this play, so I'm not going to throw a flag
or vice versa this end of the game. I have
to or it's in the game. I can't. You can't
do that, So I'm with you. And yet a second ago,
when we were kind of talking about the nuance of

(39:44):
how you call a game when it's is that offensive?
Is it a push off? Or did it affect the game?
You were talking about how like a dB if he's
got his hand on a guy's hip and then brings
the other hand around to deflect the ball, as long
as he's not turning him is how difficult is it?

Speaker 5 (40:01):
Then?

Speaker 3 (40:01):
From your standpoint, because we had a guy here, Tyler Lockett,
was a master at getting flags thrown because he was
slight built, so when he would feel something one he
couldn't play through it. If a guy tugged on him
a little bit, it was going to slow him down
and possibly turn his body, and he would embellish it.
He would make sure that it was blatant Now a

(40:24):
guy like DK Metcalf or a tight end like the
case we were just talking about that can it takes
a whole heck of a lot more of a tug
for it to turn the guy's body. How difficult is
that from your perspective to recognize whether or not a
guy's flopping because you can have an offensive pi where
if a DB's real good, when he feels that push

(40:44):
off just a little bit, then he throws his hands
up and jumps off to the side and all of
a sudden, it looks like it jumped off the page
or jumped off the screen at you versus somebody that
is bigger and he can just kind of play through
it a little bit more.

Speaker 9 (40:58):
That's that's really difficult. I mean you, this is Those
are the things that challenge you as an official. I
know as a referee. See I started my career first
two or three years downfield. I did deal with these
plays and your right different stature creates different pieces of
what you think is materially affecting the player or the

(41:18):
play enough to warrant that flag.

Speaker 5 (41:20):
And yes, certain bigger athletes.

Speaker 9 (41:22):
My bigger challenge is to the majority of my career,
where you would have a quarterback back there that was
a six foot four to two hundred and forty pound quarterback,
and then the other team would have, you know, five ten,
one hundred and eighty pound quarterback. You know, where when
is it roughing? You know, when do you stop the play,

(41:43):
whether you blow the whistle, Do I let the big
guy get hit for that, I'm letting the smaller statute
quarterback get hit or things of that nature. So there's
a lot of different elements that go into each play,
the players that are involved. It doesn't mean that you're
allowing people to foul.

Speaker 5 (42:01):
Bigger players more.

Speaker 9 (42:03):
But then you also watch and I think what you
just said about Lockett is one of the things that
was so hard to do, and that is, at some point,
athletes are still going to try to make a play
up until this point where maybe in that split second
in their mind they realize, no matter what I do,
I can't make the play. And they're in that little
split second comes that soccer embellishment.

Speaker 5 (42:25):
Right.

Speaker 9 (42:26):
It's like the defensive end that's getting a little bit
held on the edge and he's fighting like heck to
get off of this block to get this runner that's
going to go right around him, and then he realizes
I can't make it there. So what does he do?
All of a sudden his both hands go up in
the air. He acts like he was just accosted on
the street or something, and you're thinking, dude, like.

Speaker 5 (42:46):
A second to go.

Speaker 9 (42:47):
You know, you were engaged in a really tough huscle
and all of a sudden.

Speaker 5 (42:52):
You look like you were just completely overwhelmed.

Speaker 9 (42:55):
Those are tough things to officiate. You try to manage that.
You try to continuously put all the things we're talking
about into that. Look, if you flopped, I can't bless
you on it. I would do it in hoops an
awful lot, like a basketball player would come up and
get bumped a little and put his head back ord
like I really got hit, trying to embellish that contact

(43:16):
and create a foul. And my conversations with players like
that on both sports that I worked where don't do
that because if you do that and you're really good
at it and I think you're embellishing, then that next
play is going to happen where you are going to
get filed and I'm going to probably pass on.

Speaker 5 (43:32):
It, you know what I mean. And now you're not
going to get what you should get.

Speaker 9 (43:36):
So I always try to at least manage or minimize
those opportunities for them to do it, I guess by
scaring them into if you're such a good actor, when
you really do get filed, I'm not good enough to
decipher between the two. So how about we just try
to play through every play.

Speaker 5 (43:52):
The right way and then let me make my judgments
based on that.

Speaker 9 (43:56):
But it is a difficult process to do, and at
times you get tricked by it, right, I mean, you're human,
and it's fast, and I always hated it from a
grading perspective too, Bucky, because with that delon that it
put his hands up, you knew that the person grading
your game the next day was going to look at
that play maybe a little closer, you know, like like

(44:19):
there is a hole there, you.

Speaker 5 (44:20):
Know, or something to that effect. But it's not easy
to do.

Speaker 9 (44:23):
But it's something you continuously try to train on and
be able to have those micro second reactions as a
result of it.

Speaker 8 (44:30):
Geane, just a quick one before we let you go,
because I was watching the Dallas Philadelphia game, as I
think a lot of people were a very interesting game,
but there was a rough k the kicker penalty called
on the punt, and that gave Philadelphia the first down.
The Dallas leof who I think was his name, he
was adamant. I touched the ball. I touched the ball.
He went over to the sideline. He's, you know, scraping

(44:51):
his fingers. I got my fingertips on it. Dallas doesn't
do anything. Is that even challengeable? Could they have thrown
a challenge flag that he tipped that ball?

Speaker 9 (44:59):
Yes, touching of the kick, touching of a pass is challengeable. Also,
that's a play that New York can weigh in on
rather quickly if they see it and expedite the review
and say there is no file for roughing the kicker
because the player that did rough the kicker potentially did also.

Speaker 5 (45:17):
Touch the football.

Speaker 9 (45:19):
These are the additional challenges no pun intended with all
of it, that the entire sporting world is starting to
deal with, and that is we like the fact that
we have more technology.

Speaker 5 (45:32):
We like the fact that we're.

Speaker 9 (45:33):
Getting more of these things right because they are hard,
and I think a lot of us understand that they
are hard and technology can help us get it right.
But I also think we're on that little edge we
can't just add technology because we have a new shiny
object to use in a new toy.

Speaker 5 (45:50):
The end of the the.

Speaker 9 (45:51):
End of the day, increasing technology is only good under
one circumstance, and that's if it makes the game better,
not if it makes the game slower, more shop be
more confusing. If officials then don't feel comfortable making splitnick
second decisions because of the ramifications of that decision that
could be changed or not changed as a result of technology.

Speaker 5 (46:14):
So we are living in that world. So you have
this tip.

Speaker 9 (46:17):
Now a player is looking at you on the field
as a ref. And players aren't always honest, right, I mean,
they're always interfered with they get up, they're human, they're
trying to sell something. But now this player gets up
and says, I tipped it.

Speaker 5 (46:28):
I tipped it. Believe me.

Speaker 9 (46:30):
Everyone in New York is scrubbing every angle they can
as quickly as they possibly can. And I think there
were a few articles that actually said, look, they didn't
see the enhance you. This was a something came from
the NFL, right, But two plays later Fox broadcast puts
other than enhance view, they see the tip. It's too late,
or the coach could have challenged it. Yeah, you know,
that's these are these things.

Speaker 5 (46:51):
We're living with and as we go.

Speaker 9 (46:53):
Through this, adding more technology more four K Is this better.

Speaker 5 (46:58):
For the game? Is it not for the game?

Speaker 9 (47:00):
But yeah, in that situation, New York could have fixed
it had they seen it rather quickly, or to you,
that time frame between the next snap and if the
coach is trusting the player, who's over there adamantly saying listen,
trust me, man, throw the flag here.

Speaker 5 (47:15):
I touched this.

Speaker 9 (47:17):
That's the decision they have to make. So they're making
calls over there as well, you know, coaches as to
whether to pull their red flag out or not. But
it was reviewable by that if they so weren't trying to.

Speaker 3 (47:27):
Do so interesting All right, well, Gene, it's been it's
been real man, and happy Thanksgiving to you. I am interested.
I mean you you're not going to get your turkey
for a minute, because you're working thirty seven games to
be able to afford your wife's Black Friday shopping. But
if you do, if you have your preference, are you
just a regular baked turkey? Are you a deep fried

(47:50):
turkey guy? Smoked turkey guy? What's your preference?

Speaker 5 (47:53):
You know?

Speaker 9 (47:54):
I was always a traditional guy, and then you know,
like three or four years ago, it was like, dude,
you put this thing in holloway, it cooks in ten minutes.
You don't have to sit in there with that thermometer
in the turkey's bot cooking the temperature all the time,
and a frage you're not cooking it through.

Speaker 5 (48:08):
And then this.

Speaker 9 (48:09):
Beautiful social media shows after I watched a few explosions
here over the last two days, you know, on the
social sites on what happens if the oil's too hot,
you drop the turkey. And I don't know if I
can do that one buck. You know, there was one
out there that had the firemen all full geared with
a big extension pole dipping the turkey in that I

(48:30):
think I would do only for the entertainment of it.
I'm not sure that I'm you know, dig into that bird,
but I wouldn't mind seeing that happen kind of from
a distance, you know. I'd like to be a spectator.

Speaker 5 (48:40):
On that one. But I'm an old school guy.

Speaker 9 (48:42):
I mean, let's cook it, make it last all day,
and and let's all sleep on the couch for forty
eight hours after we gorge ourselves and everything on the table.
I mean, that's that's just kind of how I.

Speaker 5 (48:54):
Roll with it.

Speaker 3 (48:54):
I'm with you one hundred percent. And by the way,
tip from a three hundred plus pound guy, if you
do piece of that dry turkey breast from four or
five days old, you don't have to just go mayonnaise.
That's if you're putting on a sandwich, you just got
to put some extra gravy on it. Enough gravy helps
everything out and they will no longer be dry.

Speaker 5 (49:13):
It's all about the gravy. Isn't a monkey about the grave?

Speaker 3 (49:17):
Yep, solves it every time.

Speaker 5 (49:18):
Got tip about Freds. I believe you.

Speaker 9 (49:21):
I believe you, and I will take that tip and
I'll let you know how that goes.

Speaker 5 (49:24):
We'll go extra gravy on Monday, all right, Jane.

Speaker 3 (49:28):
Well, thank you very much and have a happy Thanksgiving.

Speaker 5 (49:32):
Say to you and all, thanks so much, take care
all right.

Speaker 3 (49:35):
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Sports Radio ninety three point three kJ r FM.

Speaker 3 (50:17):
Welcome back to the show. It is Bucky Jacobson and
Ashley Ryan sans Chuck. He has enjoyed Turkey and decorating
for Christmas prematurely, that's what he does this time of year,
and he needed to take time off to do so,
so good for him. We've had a lot to talk
about today, but this is our first time getting to
discuss the new team in town, but one of my

(50:38):
favorite teams in town. And as far as I'm concerned,
thanksgiving his time for comfort food and this guy is
comfort food for your ears. Everett fits you the voice
of the Seattle Crack And how you doing, brother.

Speaker 5 (50:51):
I'm doing well. Thank you very much for that wonderful intro.

Speaker 3 (50:55):
Well, it's true, do you do realize that, I mean,
you don't put me to sl like trip to fan
and Turkey does. But it's like, you know how you
have like a nice bowl of soup on a rainy
fall day, and you're just like, oh, you need cozy
up in the chair here and watch a game Like
That's basically when I hear your voice, I'm like, this

(51:15):
is it right here? Comfort food for my ear drones.

Speaker 11 (51:17):
It's very calming and relaxing.

Speaker 5 (51:20):
I appreciate that, thank you.

Speaker 3 (51:21):
Yeah. Both facts are facts, man. All right, well, let's
dive into what we witnessed over the weekend kind of
a I was explaining it on yesterday about kind of
a weird weekend where you got points and I suppose
I'm not I shouldn't be greedy. You got points in
both games of a back to back, the first one
overtime win and then an overtime loss in the shootout.

(51:45):
It was kind of a win and a loss, but
it felt both of them felt distinctly different, and yet
it really is just a one point difference in the
whole thing. How'd you feel about the back to back
on Saturday and Sunday?

Speaker 11 (51:57):
Yeah, I mean, I think for first Seattle, the big
thing was you're you're trying to snap that that streak
of not winning game two of a back to back,
and I think over the last year plus. On the
Sunday game along the Island, that was the closest best
team's ever come and then the best I think they've

(52:19):
played in that situation. It's never easy in this league
to play back to backs, just given the travel, given
all that goes into to it. But I felt really
good about how the team played over the weekend.

Speaker 5 (52:32):
I feel like in the past, that.

Speaker 11 (52:35):
Game on Sunday could have gone an entirely different direction.
That game could have gotten pretty squirrely pretty fast. But
the fact that you were able to limit the Islanders
in their chances. Guba or a decord was phenomenal, stopping
thirty four shots that he faced. And the weird quirk

(52:55):
about hockey is that even though he took the shootout loss,
he's still got credited with a shutout in that game.

Speaker 5 (53:02):
So to come.

Speaker 11 (53:03):
Back to be the last line of defense and to
shut down the Islanders in the way that he did,
you know, I thought that was absolutely phenomenal. I felt
the trip overall there were probably more way more ups
and positives than there were downs. You're down to nothing
to Chicago on Thursday, you come back with three in

(53:24):
the third the first time in cracking history that a
team has trailed by two or more goals going into
the third period and have come.

Speaker 5 (53:33):
Back to win in regulation.

Speaker 11 (53:35):
And then I think against the Penguins team that's off
to a pretty good start despite what a lot of
people have thought about them, you go into their building
and you pick up a victories overall, you take five
of the eight points on the road trip, you're happy
with it. That's been the mo of this team all year.
They've picked up points when they needed to. They've won

(53:57):
more than they've lost. They've gotten more points than and
than not over certain stretches. And now here we are
at a pretty important time of the season, sitting pretty
pretty fairly in a playoff spot.

Speaker 8 (54:10):
Okay, Everett, I do have to ask just going back
to this back to back thing, because obviously I don't
what has it been like fourteen or thirteen games.

Speaker 7 (54:17):
That they've had that they've lost the second I might
have just oh fifteen, okay from.

Speaker 5 (54:23):
Their last seventeen game twos of.

Speaker 7 (54:26):
Back to back, So that's yeah, that's that's not great.

Speaker 8 (54:29):
And I just I mean, the crazy thing is though
this last Sunday, as I'm watching that game, and you
know they're they're now going to the shootout after zero
zero just just a phenomenal defensive game, phenomenal efforts by
both goalies all game long. And then they go into
the shootout and they have to even add the extra
because they've you know, they're still even, they're still tied.

(54:49):
And I'm thinking to myself, if any there's any time
that they could win that second back to back, it's now.
They can't get any closer to winning the second back
to backs.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
Now, what, listen?

Speaker 5 (55:03):
I mean eighteen times the charm?

Speaker 3 (55:05):
I guess, okay, all right, that's the same. I'm sure
it's the same. Somewhere.

Speaker 7 (55:09):
I've heard that before.

Speaker 11 (55:10):
Yeah, no, the eighteenth fool me one, shame on you,
and and then fool me seventeen or more times.

Speaker 3 (55:17):
No, listen, yep.

Speaker 11 (55:20):
It's it's one of those weird quirks, actually, you know.

Speaker 5 (55:23):
And it's it's I can't explain it.

Speaker 11 (55:26):
And and I remember last season, sitting on the bus
the last road game of the year, me and John
Foreslan and Al and JT were sitting there spashing our
heads and we're like, John has been doing this for
thirty plus years, and he goes, I've never seen this before.
I don't understand what what it is why this team
can't win the second game of back to back. And listen,

(55:48):
at the end of the day, you're going to lose games.
No one's ever going to go oh and eighty or
eighty two and oh and and it is, you know,
another game. And I think a bigger, large view of this,
a twenty thousand foot view of this. Is it that
big of a deal? Probably not, but it just it's

(56:11):
such a glaring number. And I'm with you. I think
this is they played as well as they could have.
I even go back to the game in Dallas earlier
this year where they lost to to one on the
second game on the back to back after a game
in Saint Louis, and I remember saying, man, that was
the best game to effort that I've seen in over
a year. Well then you fast forward to this past

(56:33):
Sunday night, and I'm saying the same thing. You you
cannot get any closer to winning game two of a
back to back than a one nothing shootout loss in
which you scored one goal in the shootout. They scored
two goals in the shootout. So again, it cannot get
any closer. So I'm just gonna go back to that

(56:55):
age old saying eighteen times at char Well.

Speaker 7 (57:00):
Got four more chances to do it in the next
six weeks. Four more back to that games in the
next six weeks.

Speaker 3 (57:05):
Yeah, all right, well, hey, Fitz, any chance we can
see Jared mccannon in this game tomorrow against the Dallas Stars.

Speaker 11 (57:15):
You never say never. I will say he did go
on this last road trip. He was a very active
member in practice. He was taking regular line rushes and shifts.
You know, I've seen him walk around the team in
the locker room area and he looks fine. Obviously, looking
fine in your street clothes is a lot different than

(57:36):
on the ice. I think he's looked good on the ice.
Hopefully today during or after practice, will have an update
on Jared McCann. But he did go on the trip.
He was skating with the team, He was active with
the team. So I mean, I'm hoping that he's back tomorrow.
But I was also hoping that he would be back
on this last road trip because he went with the team,

(57:57):
and obviously he didn't go. So hopefully later today we'll
have an update on him.

Speaker 3 (58:02):
All right, Well, from all of us here to you
and all of yours Happy Thanksgiving because you are you
are the gravy of crack and hockey. I mean, we
just put you on anything and you make it better.

Speaker 11 (58:15):
Well, thank you, thank you very much, and have your
Thanksgiving to you. Happy Thanksgiving to all the listeners out there.
And I think most importantly, let's go Lions.

Speaker 3 (58:25):
Okay, don't. I don't know if that was the way
we should have ended this, but okay, cut him, cut them,
cut the mic.

Speaker 11 (58:34):
Who doesn't love nine am hockey, who doesn't arn football?
Nine am football?

Speaker 5 (58:38):
On Thursday?

Speaker 11 (58:39):
You're up and the Lions are gonna play and definitely
get off.

Speaker 3 (58:42):
The So I have to start eating is when that
kickoff happens. I have to start eating. I can't stop
until Monday. You too, Yep, yep, You'll be right there
all weekend. All right, well, Fitzy, I appreciate it. Man,
I have a great Thanksgiving.

Speaker 5 (58:57):
But you two guys take care all right?

Speaker 3 (59:01):
Ever it fits you the voice of the Seattle Cracking,
we are going to come back and dive into a
little bit of tailgame tailgating antics that I might be
up for when it comes to partying with the Medleys
before the Oregon Duck Husky game this weekend. Right here
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Speaker 12 (59:44):
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Speaker 3 (59:50):
That is the voice of the one and only Rick Neuheisel.
How you doing today, Rick, Happy Thanksgiving?

Speaker 12 (59:58):
Happy Thanksgiving to you, Bucky. I'm doing fine. We got
the last week of the college football season. We got
the CFP getting ready to announce what that looks like
tonight we'll see where if anything changed. Not much in
the way of movement in terms of wins and losses,

(01:00:18):
but some power moves. I'm anxious to see if Notre
Dame goes past Oklahoma tonight with the heels of a
seventy seven bludgeoning of Syracuse. They remain ahead of Miami
even though Miami beat them, So that's kind of an
interesting thing how far Vanderbilt's off the pace. Vanderbilt has

(01:00:38):
a chance to win ten games for the first time
in school history. They're the only Power four team that's
never won ten, so that's kind of fascinating as they
get ready to go to Neeland Stadium and Knoxville. Yeah,
lots going on, and then you saw that the CFP
and ESPN extend the deadline. No longer is it December one.

(01:01:02):
We're actually going to wait till January twenty third to
see if we're going to change the format, which allows
the two commissioners, Greg Sankee and Tony Petiti to do
a little horse trading as to how they're going to
do this. And I think we might blow right past
sixteen teams, Bucky, we might get all the way to
twenty four by January twenty third.

Speaker 3 (01:01:24):
Wow, I mean, I guess yeah, because that's the main
hang up there is whether or not it's automatic bids
or whatnot, Right, I mean, the SEC and Big ten
are at odds to some degree about how that whole
thing would work if it's just five conference champs and
a bunch at large, or if there's automatic bids. And

(01:01:44):
you're saying, if if they do delay this and come
to a liking agreement between both of them, you think
it's going to be because they get all the way
to twenty four teams.

Speaker 12 (01:01:53):
Huh, Well, here's what just happened today. You know, there's
this basketball tournament going on in Las Vegas where they're
actually paying the players. The money's up for nil, right,
and so the winning teams are going to get an
extra bucket of cash. And so everybody's kind of interested

(01:02:13):
in this tournament, right because it's the future of college athletics.
I mean, we're paying players. So the Big twelve just
took a fifteen percent stake in this tournament. It's called
the Players Era Tournament. It remains to be seen at
the SEC and the Big ten and the ACC are

(01:02:34):
going to follow suit. But if they do, you can
see where that model could extend to the college football world.
And if that happens, then you could see where as
everybody's looking for more money, we're aware that you know,
the University of Calorie, California pension fund is offering an
excess of two billion dollars to the Big ten one

(01:02:58):
hundred million dollars at least personol and to become a
partner of the Big tent and then get their principal
back in twenty forty four and then I've obviously earned
a bunch of money between now and then. It's fascinating
to see if that model doesn't extend. As we're looking

(01:03:19):
at this basketball tournament might not make sense at the
CFP level where the two commissioners can't determine how you're
going to get teams in. Well, it won't be as
much a big deal if most of your teams get in,
and that twenty fourteen field would make sure that we're
not excluding a usc this year. We're not excluding a

(01:03:39):
Vanderbilt this year. You know, you can see where they're
getting excited about that. And if there's some private money
that goes along with it, maybe that solved some of
the economic issues facing all these athletic directors. Just an
incredibly interesting time to follow college athletics coach.

Speaker 8 (01:03:57):
Do you worry at although that this is another example
of college football getting ahead of themselves, because I mean,
so far in the last years we've had, you know,
the transfer portal out of control, and NIL has just
kind of, you know, gotten massive, and we've got these
coaches that they're opting to leave and all of these
things that it's kind of seems like they let it
get ahead of itself and then they've got to rein
it back. It seems like by going from having a

(01:04:19):
year of a college football playoff two before the second
one is done, expanding it to twenty four would be
another example of them getting ahead of themselves.

Speaker 12 (01:04:28):
First of all, let me just say I'm guessing why
they're doing this. Yeah, obviously obviously they want to earn
more money, right, so to leave it at twelve teams,
they get no more money. The question is will ESPN
pay more money for just four more games? And the
answers probably know they already signed the deal. It's like

(01:04:48):
Brian Kelly right now in LSU. They keep wanting him
to take less and he said, no, I signed the deal,
you owe me this money. And so now they're threatening
all this you know, stuff that they have dirt on
him or what have you's going to embarrass him. It's
unseemly and it's embarrassing, but it's happening. So what we
have to do is figure out exactly what's best for

(01:05:12):
college athletics because college football. What's best for college football
is also best for college athletics because it pays the
preate for the rest of it. But it's fascinating, And
you mentioned the calendar. Actually, the calendar is ridiculous. We
have to change the calendar. We right now have Lane
Kiffin sitting there at Old Miss getting ready to coach

(01:05:33):
an egg bull on Friday, and he won't tell us
whether he's either going to be along for the ride,
assuming may win in their favor to do so, if
he's going to be along for the ride in the
college football playoff, be the best season in the history
of Old Miss, And he won't tell us if he's
even going to stay there. He may take the LSU job.
I just told you how embarrassing that situation is. He

(01:05:55):
may take the Florida job, which has also got a
lawsuit right now by a former recruit by the name
of Jaden Rashada, who's suing Billy Napier, the old coach,
and the school for offering a big ton of money
for him to come there as a recruit and then
renigging on the deal. That lawsuit is still pending, so
we have we have so many issues, but it's all

(01:06:18):
because of this calendar. This calendar, there's on December third,
We're going to sign recruiting classes. On December third through
the seventeenth, there's going to be finals on campus, and
then you've got championship games, and then you've got college
football playoff games, and then you've got a transfer portal.
Before we even get to the semi finals of this deal,

(01:06:41):
a transfer portal opens where players can come and go,
just like coaches are coming and going. Now, it's nonsensical
and we've got to get our arms around it. And
I hope somebody comes to their senses that has some
clouds to do something about it.

Speaker 3 (01:06:57):
I'm with you one hundred percent. I mean, the big
picture just seems it's like, oh my gosh, there could
be chaos, and yet you know they'll find a way
to survive. I mean, it's just too bad.

Speaker 12 (01:07:06):
Well, the problem, the problem, Bucky, is it's obscuring what
we spent all this time working towards, which is our
college football playoffs. Right we are basically making that the
least interesting story. We'd rather talk about where the coaches
are going, what players are leading. You know Sam Lovitt,
the quarterback at Arizona State, He led the Sun Devils

(01:07:27):
to the incredible season a year ago where they made
the College Football Playoff and had Texas absolutely on the
brink of extinction. Right they were had at fourth and
thirteen in the Peach Bowl. Matthew Gold makes the catch
in Texas somehow survived, but Sam Lovitt was a hero.
He and Cam Skataboo or the you know the big

(01:07:47):
names of the Sun Devils. Well, he's hurt loss for
the season, but the word at Arizona State is he's
now taking a deal, whether it be with James Franklin
a Virginia Tech, or to be the guy who replaces
Carson Beck at Miami for somewhere around eight million bucks.
Holy smoked, what are we doing. We can't afford it.

(01:08:09):
And we just have to get some arms around this,
whether it be through collective barting or common sense, and
right now we don't have either.

Speaker 3 (01:08:19):
I hear you, and yet I do want to get
your take on the more granular the thing that is
important at this point in time, beyond all of this
stuff that's happening outside, which is the college football playoffs
tonight we get another version of the college Football Playoff
rankings leading up to that selection Sunday here in a
few weeks. But are you seeing any shakeup? Is this

(01:08:41):
the year that Indiana or the week that Indiana gets
maybe leap frog by A and M is this? Could
Oregon be moving up? There's probably some shake up down
there at the bottom in the eleven and twelve spots too,
wouldn't you think?

Speaker 12 (01:08:55):
I think we'll see if they the impressive Oregon win
last we congratulations to your ducks. If they jump Ole
miss Ole miss is vital, it's possible that they could
go past them. It's also possible that Miami, that's a
notre dame on the heels of a seventy to seven
victory in which they had the ball eighteen minutes. They

(01:09:17):
forre seventy points in eighteen minutes of possession. Tops, It's
possible they could go past Oklahoma, who beat Missouri, but
Missouri was not quite up to snuff and it was
kind of an ugly game. If that happens, maybe they'd
stay ahead of Miami in terms of beat compared to Miami.

(01:09:39):
In how the committee goes about making their rankings, and
if they are not in the same pool with Miami,
that they avoid that head to head conflict that seems
like so logical for all of us as college football fans,
and yet doesn't seem logical at all that the find
people in the committee room who make these determinations. It's

(01:10:00):
going to go down as the greatest frustration maybe since
Florida State was thirteen and oh and didn't get in.
If Miami doesn't get in and Notre Dame does and
they have the same record, it's going to be a
colossal headscratcher for everybody that roots for the team from
South Florida.

Speaker 8 (01:10:17):
I'll never forget what fueled my hatred, honestly for Notre Dame.
Was watching it was like a revealing show of the
college football rankings a long long time ago, and one
of the announcers was like, well, or if Notre Dame
gets into a bowl game, that's good for everyone in
college football, And I thought it was the most absurd
comment I'd ever heard in my life.

Speaker 7 (01:10:37):
So that just reminded me of it. Obviously, you actually.

Speaker 12 (01:10:40):
There the Rolling Stones. You know what is as old
as Mick Jagger is You still want to go see him?

Speaker 2 (01:10:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (01:10:47):
I know Ugh gives me the HEBG.

Speaker 8 (01:10:50):
Okay, well, coach, we got a big game here obviously
this week with Oregon in town to face the Huskies,
and Bucky and I've been talking all morning about how
confident we're feeling about both both teams a little banged
up obviously. You know, Washington and Oregon, this rivalry different
than it was just a couple of years ago when
we both were vying for a shot at heading to
a national championship. But Washington has a chance to ruin

(01:11:13):
Oregon season. Do you think that's enough to give the
dogs a boost?

Speaker 12 (01:11:19):
They're going to play their best game. Demon Williams was
fantastic in the second half against UCLA last week. Oregon
was fabulous in corralling a high flying FC offense and
then kind of just putting the ball on the ground
and punching out that game that was heading it up.

(01:11:40):
Whether or not Washington has for wherewithal to stop Oregon's
running game is going to be the key. Ryan Walters
is kind of playing with hot dice right now, the
defensive coordinator for Washington. I think it's going to be
a really competitive game. It always is. Was one of
my favorite games to coach in against the Ducks just
because of the energy on the field. Everybody was certainly

(01:12:03):
all in in terms of wanting to compete in that game.
So I think you're in for a whale of a game.
I think the Ducks are a little bit better, and
so I'd probably lean Oregon if I had to pick
one side.

Speaker 5 (01:12:16):
Or the other.

Speaker 12 (01:12:16):
But Demon Williams is capable of special things. It'll be
interesting how healthy the Boston kid is and whether or
not he can have an impact in the game.

Speaker 3 (01:12:27):
Yeah, Rick, I mean, the health obviously is something you
got to deal with as a football coach regardless. And
yet both of these teams are dinged w and Jonah
Coleman got in and got a touchdown last weekend, but
he did not look right with that knee, and then
Boston Denzel Boston wasn't even in there. And Oregon doesn't
have i think three of their top four wide receivers.

(01:12:48):
I mean, they're down the depth chart in multiple spots,
and they keep having offensive lineman drop and so health wise,
I mean, when you start looking at the depth that
you need basically at this point in the season, unfortunately,
but it's necessary where you see in the depth when
it comes in this because I kind of the advantage
of being at home for the Huskies is one advantage.

(01:13:09):
I would think that Oregon has a little bit more depth.
What's your eyebolls telling you?

Speaker 12 (01:13:15):
I think you're exactly right. Oregon has more of the
quality players. Based on their recruiting, their ability to finance
their recruiting, there's no question that their depth is superior
to Washington's. So that will play into this. And here's

(01:13:35):
one thing that Oregon definitely wants to do. They need
to win this game and then hope, like heck that
Ohio State handles business against Michigan because the last thing
they want to do is have to go play in
the in the Big Ten championship game. They want a

(01:13:57):
week to heal and to get ready for the College
football playoffs, so they do not want to have to
go play another game, even though they won't say so.
They want the Georgia PAF Right now, Georgia SITS is
the number four team in the country and they have
Georgia Tech this weekend on Friday. So if they win
the game, they're going to be pulling for Alabama and

(01:14:19):
Texas A and M because they want those two teams
to go play in the SEC Championship game. They think,
by virtue of their victory and hopefully it'll be an
impressive one if you're a Georgia fan, that they could
get all the way to January first, they could be
one of the top four teams, get a bye, not
have to play in the first round, not have to
play in the SEC Championship game, and get to be

(01:14:43):
healthy by December. Excuse me, January first, and play in
the quarterfinals. By the way, remember it was them that
lost Carson Beck in the SEC Championship game last year.
It was unavailable for the CFP.

Speaker 3 (01:15:00):
Crazy. It's crazy how that could work out. But I'm
with you one hundred percent. I mean, there's a bunch
of rivalry games this weekend. You just kind of nailed
one Ohio State Michigan. I mean, I suppose we don't
have a time, we don't have enough time to go
through all of them. But Ohio State, Michigan, Texas A
and M Texas, the Georgia, Georgia Tech. Maybe those are
the three big ones. Which what's the most interesting storyline

(01:15:23):
for you on this rivalry week Oh?

Speaker 12 (01:15:26):
I think it's well, the Egg Bowl O miss Mississippi
State because of Lane Kiffins Shenanigans. Yeah, it's going to
be fascinating. You know, remember two years ago he had
this kind of dalliance with Auburn during the Egg Bowl
week and then announced that he was staying late in
the week. But they still got beat by Mississippi State

(01:15:48):
that weekend even though they were favored and so forth.
So to me, is this going to be lightning striking
again that they lose their hold on a CFP in
Lane is sitting there looking down at all these old
myths fans who financed all these acquisitions in the transfer

(01:16:09):
portal and having to say sorry as he's leaving for
either of Florida or Lshit, that's amazing. Wild stories. The
Ohio State Michigan game, given the fact that Ohio State's
lost corn a row is an amazing story unto itself.
And yet they won the national championship last year. So
here comes Sheron Moore, who was the head coach in

(01:16:31):
two of those games, with a chance with a Washington
win to get himself into the Big Ten championship in
the College Football Playoffs if he does it for a
fifth time, and you can imagine the amazing Blue, looking
forward to having another three hundred and sixty five days
to crow about owning the Ohio State University so lots.

(01:16:55):
And then you've got Auburn Alabama in the late Saturday
night that the Atlanta Rhythm Section used to have a
song called Spooky. That's Jordan Harris Spooky for Alabama. And
if Alabama loses the playoff spot to Auburn, as Auburn
tries to get Bowl eligible with DJ Diurkin as their

(01:17:15):
head coach and Ashton Daniels as their quarterback, that will
be a story that Kaylin de Boor will say, spooky
isn't nearly a strong enough word.

Speaker 3 (01:17:26):
Yeah, Yeah, no doubt about it. Man, there's gonna be
a so much I mean, with the NFL schedule starting
up and then you got college football Friday Saturday. I mean,
it's there is so much stuff going on with storylines
that abound. I need to get what is your Taco
Time pick of the week.

Speaker 12 (01:17:43):
We're going to take the over in the Egg Bowl.
Sixty two and a half is the number of points
that they say will be scored in this game. We're
going to say more than that. I think Blake Shaping
in Mississippi State in front of a home crowd are
going to be ready to move. It's not is formidable
at Ole Miss defense as it was a year ago,

(01:18:03):
and certainly Ole Miss knows how to move the ball
with Trinity seeing me, Trintidad Chamblets as their quarterback and
Key one Lazy as they're running back. Those two guys
are high flying. I think the game is high scoring
and uh, well, I can't wait to see the post
game press conference.

Speaker 3 (01:18:23):
Yeah, one hundred percent. That is going to be crazy
sixty two and a half. I wouldn't be surprised if
they both passed that as well. What's your what you
go to coach when it comes to thanks skimming? Are
you just traditional turkey guy or you you something mixes
it up? Do you have a whole plate? How long
you eat leftovers for?

Speaker 12 (01:18:42):
I'm big on the leftovers, the sandwiches, especially on those
Hawaian little goals, and those are off the charts. But
I kind of moved through the regular fair into the dessert.
I'm a pumpkin rive mother with stream guys. That is uh,

(01:19:03):
it's decadence and I only like it this time of year,
but I can't wait.

Speaker 3 (01:19:09):
That is interesting because pumpkin pie seems to be a
very hot button thing, like people either love it or
they can't stand it. I'm kind of in the middle,
Like all have a piece around Thanksgiving and then I don't.
I don't want it ever again until the next Thanksgiving, right, I.

Speaker 12 (01:19:25):
Don't have a craving for it any other time than
this year.

Speaker 5 (01:19:29):
But I.

Speaker 12 (01:19:32):
If I see any pie, then I haven't got enough
with stream.

Speaker 9 (01:19:35):
I want it smothered, and that is like a.

Speaker 5 (01:19:39):
Delicacy to me. I hear you.

Speaker 3 (01:19:41):
Well, you have a great Thanksgiving, Coach, and we'll be
seeing you on TV and talk to you again next week.

Speaker 12 (01:19:46):
Happy Thanksgiving to one and all. Go dogs, enjoy and
Bucky go duck hey.

Speaker 9 (01:19:52):
Enjoy, enjoy.

Speaker 12 (01:19:54):
The weekend should be trot with all sorts of storylines.

Speaker 3 (01:19:59):
It will it will you. You have a great weekend,
a good Thanksgiving yourself. Coach Rick new Heisel there with us,
him breaking down all of the storylines that go from
big picture thirty thousand foot view all the way down
to I think he said the Ducks are going to
crush the Huskies there. I'm pretty sure I heard that.

Speaker 5 (01:20:17):
I didn't.

Speaker 7 (01:20:17):
I don't think we heard the same.

Speaker 3 (01:20:18):
No, you didn't hear You didn't hear that. No, Maybe
just thinking on my part, maybe I think you said
they're a lot deeper and way more talented.

Speaker 7 (01:20:27):
I don't think you said way more talent like Supreme.

Speaker 3 (01:20:30):
Did he say Supreme?

Speaker 7 (01:20:31):
No, I think you were thinking about pizza h Supreme.

Speaker 3 (01:20:34):
No, No, I think you said nothing like. Yeah, I'm
pretty sure Supreme was what I heard. Maybe not. Maybe
we'll discuss what he said in the next one. Everybody
needs to stick around and we'll come back and talk
a little bit more football on the other side of
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Welcome back to the Chucking Bok Show. It is Chuck
and Ashley Charles's home, probably whipping up some gravy. I
would imagine to put on borst or whatever it was

(01:21:19):
that they have sometimes yea, yeah, I don't know. Hopefully
saw us gravy with that if he doesn't go traditionally.

Speaker 7 (01:21:27):
Put gravy on.

Speaker 8 (01:21:31):
Oh no, it's not a broad worst, No, it's it's
like a beat, or we can put gravy on anything.
Gravy wouldn't make it better, I'm certain because I don't
love it, but it'd be weird.

Speaker 7 (01:21:47):
You just make it more soupy.

Speaker 3 (01:21:49):
Well, I'm just thinking he's doing the stuff all mixed
up because you know that he's decorating for Christmas prematurely.
We know that, and he's probably doing other things prematurely
as well. And I'm thinking he's to pull themself together.

Speaker 7 (01:22:01):
That time of year.

Speaker 3 (01:22:02):
Is it the prematurity time of year?

Speaker 5 (01:22:04):
All right?

Speaker 3 (01:22:04):
Well, one thing we might be getting a little bit
premature on here, and yet I don't care is talking
about playoffs playoffs. But I do think because we did
a little exercise to start the show today where I
kind of broke down the toughest strength of schedule for
the three teams you're vying with in the NFC. I mean,

(01:22:26):
we can kick the Cardinals out. They're not coming back
and being a threat to anybody in this division. Rams
are on top of the thing right now, Seahawks are
and second. San Francisco forty nine Ers are basically half
a game behind them at eight and four. I am
at this point and I don't know where if you
agree or not, I kind of feel like both of
these teams, all three of these teams, excuse me, are

(01:22:47):
going to make the playoffs. I think three teams from
the NFC West are going to make it. Based on
the schedule, I mean, these teams just have to take
care of business. San Francisco might be the one that
I would worry most about not making it if I
was a nine er, because they're so dinged up, and
yesterday they played like garbage against the Panthers. And yet
the Panthers are a team I don't know for sure

(01:23:08):
if that's because they actually are fairly decent. That's why
they've kind of hung around. And so I think for
sure too, I think the Rams and Seahawks for sure
one to two. That order is yet to be determined.
I think a Thursday night game here in a month
or three weeks is going to be a big factor
in that. But the Rams definitely have the easiest road
to win in the division. The Seahawks have probably the

(01:23:31):
most difficult run to winning the division, even more so
than the Niners in my opinion. But I think all
three of them are going to make it. I think
a good exercise we could do right now is we
go down the NFC. At this point, the Rams number one, Eagles,
number two, Bears number three, Buccaneers number four. Seahawks are
there at number five, and that's simply because the Buccaneers

(01:23:52):
at six and five would win their division, So the
Seahwks will be the number one wildcard team. Then the
Packers at seven three and one, and then the Niners
at eight and four. Is there a team you think
is going to fall out of that group? And if so,
who do you think might jump up and sniper that.

Speaker 5 (01:24:10):
We have the.

Speaker 3 (01:24:11):
Lions that basically would be in the mix. They're at
seven and four. They're right behind San Francisco at eight
and four, Caroline Panthers six and six, Cowboys maybe at
five and five and one. They have kind of a
nice looking schedule moving forward. I think that might be
where it stops. The Falcons are at four and seven.

(01:24:31):
At that point, I mean, then you're getting into the Falcons, Vikings, Cardinals,
Commander Saints, and Giants. Those teams I would just think
are pretty much out of it. So how do you
see this NFC playoff situation shaken out?

Speaker 8 (01:24:46):
Ashley Well It's interesting because I would say, just based
on looking at the teams, not looking at their schedules
at all, I think the Buccaneers would be the team
most likely to fall out.

Speaker 7 (01:24:54):
They started out the season playing really well.

Speaker 8 (01:24:56):
They haven't been playing as well as of late, and
now Baker Mayfield's injured, although whether this time or not,
we have no idea.

Speaker 7 (01:25:01):
Then I looked at their schedule.

Speaker 8 (01:25:02):
Though, HM, Cardinals, Saints, Falcons, Panthers, Dolphins, Panthers.

Speaker 7 (01:25:07):
They're not falling out of the pick, I would agree.

Speaker 8 (01:25:09):
Yeah, So I would look at Chicago Eagles, Packers, Browns, Packers, Niners, Lions.

Speaker 7 (01:25:17):
That is a tough last six games.

Speaker 3 (01:25:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:25:21):
And now, I and you know the Bears. They've played
well well, they've played well enough. They've won a lot
of very close games. Nobody can figure out how they
can keep doing it. Nobody thinks it's sustainable. I think
this last six games of their schedule is going to
prove that it's not sustainable. I would say the Bears
are most likely to fall out.

Speaker 3 (01:25:40):
That would be my guess as well. And then that
basically opens the door. I mean their division, they're right
now eight and three, Packers are right behind them half
a game behind seven to three and one, and then
the Detroit Lions had another half game behind them at
seven and four. I think the Lions are the best team,
but then again, I I'm not sure if I should

(01:26:02):
be thinking that the way that they've put last year
we watched this Detroit Lions team. Now, everybody's entitled to.
You lose a game that the year before you found
a way to pull out, that's understandable. They just don't
look the same. They don't look like they're crazy dominant.
Now they've whooped up on a couple teams here and there,
but for the most part, it's like they've scratched out w's.

(01:26:24):
I mean the way in which they barely beat the
Giants last week. I mean, you know, they end up
beating them by seven points, but I mean they were
behind at times in that game, and Jameis Winston is
just putting up points left and right on you. That
to me is not a great sign. But then that
was on the heels of losing a game against the
Eagles where you couldn't do anything offensively. So to me,

(01:26:46):
it's they seem a little bit more sketchy than I
would have thought. In years past for sure, and yet
I still feel like that the Dan Campbell factor. I
think that they will dig deep. I think they will
find a way to jump up there. And I think
that the only logical thing would be the Chicago Bears,
how difficult their schedule is. If they drop three or

(01:27:09):
four games and find themselves at nine and eight, then
I think they'll find themselves on the outside looking in,
because I think the Packers will right the ship enough.
I think the Detroit Lions will write the ship enough,
and outside of that, I just don't see a whole
heck of a lot of teams that are going to
be vying for any of those top seven spots.

Speaker 8 (01:27:25):
Yeah, although I did look at the Packers schedule too,
and that's a tricky one too because it's the Lions, Bears,
Broncos Bears, Ravens Vikings, and if this Ravens team is
who people are thinking that they will actually be at
the end of the year. I mean, I think they'll
have no trouble with the Vikings, But I would have
thought that the Packers would have had no trouble with
the Vikings the first time they played, and they did.

Speaker 3 (01:27:45):
That's true.

Speaker 7 (01:27:46):
Yeah, So I don't know. It's gonna be interesting.

Speaker 8 (01:27:48):
I do think though it's gonna be it's going to
be the Bears and they're possibly the Packers.

Speaker 3 (01:27:55):
Yeah, that would be mine.

Speaker 7 (01:27:56):
That might Yeah, that would bomped out, that would be
falling out.

Speaker 3 (01:27:58):
And that would make room for the Lions. Then you
assume would get in there. And I don't know who
else Carolina Dallas.

Speaker 7 (01:28:05):
Yeah, one of the I don't I just don't see
feels like doing it.

Speaker 3 (01:28:08):
But yeah, I kind of feel I could see the
Lions jumping up and taking somebody's spot, right, and that
I either think the just one would be the Bears.

Speaker 8 (01:28:16):
One of them's got to be that that division though,
right and although we'd already discussed Tampa Bay's not going.

Speaker 7 (01:28:21):
Anywhere, I don't think, right, But that's yeah, I think, oh.

Speaker 8 (01:28:25):
Yeah, I would think it would be the Dallas Cowboys
over the Panthers.

Speaker 7 (01:28:28):
Personally.

Speaker 5 (01:28:29):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 7 (01:28:31):
It's gonna be interesting.

Speaker 8 (01:28:31):
There's a lot, especially looking at those last six weeks
of just the Packers, Lions, and Bears schedules, that's gonna
be very interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:28:39):
Mm hmm. Well that's I mean, you got the Lions, Packers,
and Bears are all going for that division. So it's say,
after you say oh my Lions and Packers and Bears,
oh my, yeah, I didn't think about that. I'm not
that quick. Well, hopefully I will be quick enough to
get out here, because we got one last thing on
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