December 4, 2025 • 36 mins
We may have some Fishues, but it’s important to take a realistic look at how this season and the first two under Jedd Fisch have gone. The boxes are getting checked as we expected, but our expectations aren’t being exceeded yet. :30- The Winter meetings start Sunday and while there’s not all the activity there used to be, we could see some trades- could there be a blockbuster in the works? :45- Nick Emmanwori is something special and Seahawks Coach Mike MacDonald is clearly having fun trying new things with the rookie.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's a sound shirk. Good morning, folks.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Good morning everyone, Good morning, good some time, Good morning class,
lazy and gentlemen.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
Ladies and gentlemen, behold in producing six one guard from
Brighton Mellanois and former high school basketball stand what in
the hell does that mean?
Speaker 4 (00:19):
Don't jumped any conclusions.
Speaker 5 (00:22):
Not a god, You've got to lower lower your expectations.
Hard to believe he could once send a fastball to Pluto.
I'm getting some Bucky jacobs and vibes and former.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
I'll just openly admit I'm a fat, out of shaped
X athlete. Now there's been a noticeable spike in your
blood pressure.
Speaker 5 (00:39):
Five seven guard and a former college water polo and
national champion.
Speaker 6 (00:43):
Is a lot of useless crap up here.
Speaker 5 (00:45):
Wow, this is Chuck and Buck in the Morning with
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Speaker 2 (01:14):
Hey, good morning and welcome into this Thursday edition of
Chucking Back in the Morning.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Sports Radio ninety three point three kh A r f M.
Great to have you with us. I do emphasise the
we're great. It's not just good it's great to have
you with us. Thank you, Ashley, very Tony the tiger
of you.
Speaker 6 (01:30):
Well showing him what I could do.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
Uh huh, four hours. We got you till ten o'clock
this morning. We've got all sorts of cool stuff planned
for you. Of course, Bucky Jacobson will not be a
part of our reindeer games here. Today's taking a couple
of days off pretty much just to go drinking with buddies.
I mean, I don't know how else to put that.
That's yeah, yeah, he's got a he's got a friend
of his that all he does is give grief to
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and yet good buddies. And those two buddies they're selling
lebrating a birthday down there in the old Palm Springs
with some other buddies, with other buddies, and so Bucki's
out for the next couple of days. Really does sound
like an Ashley type of trip.
Speaker 6 (02:10):
I'm very jealous.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Doesn't sound like a Bucky Tighter kind of trip. Like
an Ashley kind of trip. Like I'm eating girlfriends down
in Palm Springs and we're gonna, you know, do shots and.
Speaker 6 (02:22):
Play golf and hang out by the pool, hanging out.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
By the pool all day.
Speaker 6 (02:25):
Doesn't sound like a bucket out, No, it doesn't. Especially.
Speaker 7 (02:28):
I mean he's lucky it's only seventy degrees, because when
I looked at the weather, it's gonna be like eighty
as I said in a week.
Speaker 6 (02:33):
Yeah, I mean he would be miserable.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
I think a bucky outing is like heading to the
cabin with my boy.
Speaker 6 (02:39):
Would wear a fur hat. Yeah, I don't wear a
fur hat from an animal I killed.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
We're a drink elk blood.
Speaker 6 (02:45):
Yeah, I might add some to the dips.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
Smear it on each other, knack like man.
Speaker 7 (02:52):
His trips to me seem very Lord of the flies,
Like like when he was home alone, I was all
I pictured was Lord of the Flies type of string.
Speaker 6 (03:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Like he hasn't bathed and he's just jumping over the
fire pit.
Speaker 7 (03:03):
Yeah okay, yeah, okay, Well I'm he might go into
the river for a bath.
Speaker 6 (03:07):
Yeah yeah, but that's it.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Uh huh Okay, I see what I mean.
Speaker 6 (03:11):
His goal when Kate was gone was no dishes that.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
Even even Lord of the Flies have to find social.
Speaker 7 (03:16):
Occasions they do, and this one is quite opposite of
Lord of the Flies.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
Right, it's an Ashley trip.
Speaker 7 (03:22):
Let's face and I don't think he should be allowed.
Speaker 6 (03:24):
To take one without me getting to go along.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
For I think that's the great approach, because I don't
think there's anything wrong with how, you know, friend lives. Yeah,
you know, see what they do for fun, See what
they do for fun. But you ought to have you
around to show everybody how it's done.
Speaker 7 (03:42):
I agree, But that's all right. I'm sure they'll have
an okay time.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
Yeah, it'll be fine. It could be better, Yeah, exactly. Well,
welcome in. But we do have a lot planned for
you here on the Today's program, including we're going to
replay some of the conversation last afternoon from the off
the Maler Dick Faine radio program where they had on
Jed Fish. It was National Signing Day yesterday. Obviously we've
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taken a little bit of a breath coming out of
the regular season having come to an end. In college football,
of course, the postseason starts on Saturday with Conference Championship Week.
The Huskies will play in a bowl game, and it
sounds like it's gonna be a relatively early bowl game
gathering in the process. But nonetheless to me, I mean again,
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I'm not a bowl game person, so to me the
season's over. Yeah, And so certainly we've had a little
bit of a breath and we've had Lane Kiffins stories
in college football rankings to discuss, but haven't really sunk
our teeth into with the exception of the Cam Cleveland
conversation yesterday, kind of just making sense of what the
season has been for Jed Fish and Washington Huskies. And
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so we're gonna take a little more time to do
that today. We're gonna replace some of that conversation coming
up at seven oh fo five between Softie and Jed.
But I've been wanting to talk about my Jedfish issues
all week long, my fish shoes if you will like that, Yeah,
And I have the right person to chat about it with,
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because you know, duck boy over here would get in
the way of just a real good husky conversation about
Jetfish and how it's going. And I brought this up
to Cam yesterday and we haven't had a chance as
a show to discuss it. But I do find it
pretty fascinating that. I mean, it does feel like Jetfish
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took over the program and every right thinking person in
Seattle was like, Wow, we don't want to lose Kaylin
de Bore, this seems like a pretty good pivot. You know,
remains to be seen, but that seems like a pretty
good pivot. This guy's got a reputation of being a
really smart guy, and he also is somebody that was
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perfectly willing in this transition period in college football of
embracing the NILP and all the changes that were happening.
And he immediately showed you his transfer portal abilities brought
in a lot of different veterans. But replacing twenty starters
twenty one starters in your first season doesn't matter what
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kind of program you take over. That's hard. Yeah, And
so Jetfish had his work cut out for him, and
it felt like we were all on the same page,
like we're going to give him a free pass. And
then he went six and six, and you're like, okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 6 (06:32):
Can't be mad about it.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
He can't be mad about.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
It, but.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
I do wish we would have seen a little bit more.
Speaker 6 (06:37):
Yeah. It was like, temper your expectations, but we're ready
to be pleasantly surprised, right, Yeah, and yet he delivered
what we had expected. What you should have.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
Expected, certainly, and we should have all been alright with that,
then you go into the second season like, well, you
better be better next year. The free past days are over. Yeah,
so we need to see some progress from year number
one to year number two. And they delivered on that.
They went eight and four this year. I think teams
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like Washington that are sort of on the cusp of
being a top twenty five team in the country, not
program team in the country. You know what happened to
them in their schedule, I think is what you would expect.
They're not ready to beat Ohio State. Yet No, they're
not ready. They weren't ready this year to beat Oregon,
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and yet they competed. They competed with Ohio State for
three quarters. There were moments in that Ohio State game
you're like, man, if they would just have executed this
or that, we'd have a different ballgame. Now I had
fifteen things that needed to change, like no, you execute
that play or you execute that drive, and we had
a different game here, and you were very close to
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doing that. So they competed. Yeah, and I know that
people with a championship mentality, it almost feels like you're
patting them on the head like, oh, nice job, little buddy.
So nobody wants to like wants that to be long term.
But in terms of what our expectations were for Jedfish
in year number two, what were they You gotta be
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a lot better, yep, and they were. They went eight
and four on the season, and yet we get to
the end of the year, and then you can sense
the frustration. I think you had it. I have it,
certainly people around this building have it. It's like, all right,
you did go eight and four and you were more
competitive with the big boys in the conference. Yeah, you
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slipped up and lost a game, but that's usually what
top thirty teams in the country do. They're not good
every single day. And so when you've took on Wisconsin,
those are the kind of game. Top thirty teams lose
a game like that during the year, and they usually
steal a game as well, and they usually show up.
I mean, I'm sure Illinois is sitting back there thinking, Man,
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I can't believe we got beat that soundly.
Speaker 6 (09:00):
Yeah, in Seattle when we faced them, we thought we
were better than that.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
I would agree with it, right, And so he delivers
on the eight and four season, and yet we get
to the end of the year and what's our reaction? Okay,
that was our expectation for your number two. You could
have surprised me with a little bit.
Speaker 6 (09:18):
More, right, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
Well, the way you feel like everybody's kind of reacting
to it, we could have seen more from you. I mean,
what was wrong with the offense? Why wasn't Demon Williams
more consistent? Jonah Coleman? What was that whole thing? You know,
it does feel like you get to the end of
the year and you kind of got what you thought
you should have got, and yet you can't help but think, well,
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it could have been better, right.
Speaker 7 (09:42):
Yeah, Well, and I think going in you had such
high expectations of Demon Williams and what he could do,
and so then to see that some of the issues
were Demond Williams, it.
Speaker 6 (09:52):
Was like, wait a minute, I didn't think. I didn't
expect this.
Speaker 7 (09:54):
And then with Jonah Coleman and his injury, I don't
really understand when that exactly happened or how severe it was.
But you have two really good backup running backs that
could have fulfilled that role a lot earlier, I think,
and I just I don't There was certain things like
after coming out of those the first three games, it was,
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and going into Ohio State, all of a sudden, the
offense disappeared. And I know Ohio State's defense is exceptional
and that had probably quite a bit to do with it.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
Well, it didn't disappear. It showed up for the average
two below average teams, right, dominated that, right, But it
never appeared against the great teams. Right.
Speaker 6 (10:35):
That was my issue.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
So even though you did show progress, I mean, you
weren't competitive with the Oregon last year. You were this year.
Speaker 7 (10:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
I mean again, that was another game where like, man,
they're playing with him, Walter's getting the job done, and
we could just stop people on third and long and
we would just give the ball to Mohammad because he's
obviously the run game is having more success than demand
throwing the ball. Right now, you know, there was you
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could entertain like, hey, we can take this thing. You
could entertain that as late as the into the third
quarter into the fourth quarter, and that's progress, that's progress.
And yet once you get in it, you're like, well
we're not as good as organ dammit. Yeah, but that
really wasn't the expectation. I guess my point is I
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have developed some fissues. There are some things about the
program thus far that have surprised me to the negative. Okay,
and yet when you start doing your checklist of what
were your realistic expectations for how this thing was supposed
to go six and six in the first year, considering
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what you had to dig out.
Speaker 6 (11:46):
Of, Yeah, that was that's a check Yep.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
Eight and four in the six second year with time
spent in the top twenty five competitive games against the
best teams in the country that were on your schedule. Yeah,
you kicked the game in Wisconsin. But as I said before,
that's what that's the that's the recipe of a top
thirty team in the country, which is what Washington was. Yeah,
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this year, and so that's that usually happens to top
thirty teams. They lose a game they shouldn't and then
so all of that stuff, it's like they did kind
of achieve What if you wrote it down on paper,
this is what I want to get out of this season,
it probably did satisfy if you were being realistic.
Speaker 6 (12:30):
If you're being realistic, yes, what you were looking for.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
And then yesterday he comes through. First of all, he's
staying yeah, which was another thing that everybody was, Oh,
this guy's reputation. He just bounces and all season long
hounded by are you leaving for this job? Are you
leaving for that job? Are you leaving? And he's staying.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
I don't know what the politics are or what the
gossip is behind. I don't know why. I don't know.
I understand all of the reasons for why he's staying.
But he is staying. So that's another thing. Six and
six to eight and four more competitive. Now he's staying.
We know he's going to be around for at least
one more year. And obviously the recruiting is working. So
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you come away yesterday with a top thirteen class and
you had a lot of people in college football praising
like oh Man Washington. Look out for Washington. Something is
happening there. So I guess my point because I was
planning on talking about my fishues all week long before
I would enter into discussing further any fishes that I have.
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I think there has to be an acknowledgment of he's
checking the boxes.
Speaker 6 (13:40):
Yes for us.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
Now he hasn't taken it. You know, he didn't take
over a rebuilding effort and go eight and four in
the first year.
Speaker 6 (13:48):
I mean that we would all love that.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
Yeah, he didn't go in the second year and beat
Oregon and and be a part of the college football
playoff ranking discussion. I mean that would have been the
high end expectation for this year. But he got done
what I think realistically we expected him to get done.
And the recruiting classes keep improving every year. His willingness
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actually energy for this new world of college football, which
a lot of coaches hate. He seems to be embracing it,
which is a wonderful feather in his cap. So it
is progressing. It is moving in the direction that realistically
we should have expected it to move the pace it
should have moved at. There have been guys that have
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come in the past took over a program that seemed
to be in shambles and they did such an excellent
job that they turned it around overnight. Bob Stoops was
one of those guys. Nick Saban's done that before. I mean,
there are exceptional jobs that have been done in college
football where they came in, put their hands all over
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the product and it turned around instantly overnight. And it Yeah,
so's there's another world that we could have been living in.
But in terms of just kind of keeping focus on
the task at hand. He's gotten the job done. He's
done what he's supposed to do. Taking over a program
that was left I'm not going to say and ruin
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or in ashes, but certainly.
Speaker 6 (15:21):
It was pretty low.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
Trying to replace everything that got destroyed when Kaylin Debor
left was not going to be an easy task. And
two years into it, it's been a steady climb, but
it's a climb. We are climbing. It is elevating, and
I think that we need to spend some time giving
Jetfish credit for that.
Speaker 7 (15:40):
Yes, absolutely, it has been an improvement, and I think,
you know, it's just not it hasn't been exciting, you
know what I mean, It's just kind of been the steady. Yes,
you're doing what people would expect, and thank you for that.
There's nothing that's just blowing your mind, like, oh my gosh,
I can't believe we did that.
Speaker 6 (15:57):
And I think that's where my have just this tempered.
You know, it was so.
Speaker 7 (16:03):
Exciting with Debor and Ryan Grubb and Michael Pennix and
Roma do you know that whole group, and to come
off of that is no fault of Jed's at all,
and he kind of got put in a really tough
situation because people one adored Kaitlin de Boor and two
we'd just come off making it to the National Championship.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
And that's another aspect of it. When he comes into town,
you know that he has this reputation of bouncing around,
so you know that the coaching rumors are going to
fly around every time that one comes up. You know
that people are going to go crazy on social media.
Are you going to overreact to it or are you
going to try to keep a levelhead about it, because
we don't What we don't know is what really is
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going on between Jedfish's ears. We also know, I mean
Chris Peterson didn't really have much of a relationship with
the media. He had one with Softy, but Softy's an exception,
or with really the fan base. Yeah, I mean Chris P.
Pterson was a good guy. But Jetfish has had a
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better relationship with the fan base and with the media
than what Chris Peterson did. But because we came off
of Kaylen de Boor, who was like Doris Day.
Speaker 6 (17:13):
Yeah and then broke our hearts yeah, and.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
Came in and won immediately and took those big jumps
forward and was kind to everyone.
Speaker 6 (17:21):
So exciting. Everything was so awesome.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
Yeah, he's like a I know this is a Dick
Fane nickname. He was like a snow globe. It's like
everything in that world looks so wonderful. Well, that's hard
to match up with Jetfish doesn't have the same personality.
We knew going in that it was going to be
more difficult to get him on the airwaves with us. Yea,
and yet I've enjoyed every conversation that I've had with him,
and so he Yeah, he hasn't done the things that
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Kaylen de Boor showed you that you can do in
a short period of time. Yeah, and or Bob Stoops
did at Oklahoma, or a Nick Saban did at LSU,
or the list. I could make a list. But he
has done what realistically we expected him to do, right,
He has checked those boxes. The programs getting stronger in
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this new era of nil, Washington is embracing it. They
seem to be ahead of the game. And so I
think it's you know, in this week of sort of reflecting,
I was planning on doing a segment earlier this week
on what I don't like about Jetfish and what I'm surprised.
I don't like about Jetfish, but as we get now
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that we get to Thursday, I think it was more
important to have a conversation about, Hey, there are a
lot of things to like here.
Speaker 6 (18:36):
Yes, there are, yeah, a lot of positives.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
And so even though it hasn't gone from zero to
sixty as fast as we've wanted it to go, it's
still we're moving towards sixty. We're not decelerating. We are
accelerating as a program under his direction. We just started
from a lower point than what we are accustomed to, and.
Speaker 7 (18:57):
I think that's a that's the fair expectation to put
on Jetfish. I think putting anything else on him would
have been unfair to him. We would have been setting
him up and ourselves up for a disappointment. And so
it is important to look at that steady improvement as
as as I said, it's not overly exciting.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
Yeah, we were open to being blown away, yes, and
that has not happened.
Speaker 6 (19:20):
And that's okay because at least it was an improvement.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
Yes, Yeah, all right, let's find out what's on tap
for the rest of the show. What's on to what's
on top?
Speaker 1 (19:32):
All right?
Speaker 4 (19:33):
National Signing Day did come to a close yesterday. We
will replace some of that conversation between Soft and Jetfish.
That's kind of on your way at seven five Transfer Portal,
by the way, for those wondering. That opens up January second,
and there's a two week window, and so that's basically
free agency frenzy in college football, and it's going to
become a bigger deal every year unless you know, more
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rule changes are in store for us in the future.
But as of right now, that is a really important
two weeks in the college football calendar, and it starts
on January tewod College Football Conference Championship Week Friday and Saturday.
All the big boys you're going to play on Saturday
and including Indiana versus Ohio State one excuse me two
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versus one for the Big Ten title. Oh, it's gonna
be great at five o'clock. Selection Sunday is this Sunday,
so we will know the NCAA Tournament field. Will spend
some time later on in the show talking about college
football playoff rankings bias, because I think it's hilarious. The
Lane Kiff and Saga took another turn. We actually found
out some information about how Old Miss isn't all that
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broken up that Lane Kiffin left and more information regarding
just what a liar he can be to try to
make himself look better.
Speaker 6 (20:48):
Shocking.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
Yeah, we found that some of that out yesterday as well.
Thursday night football starts week number fourteen of the NFL season.
It's a good one. Dallas at Detroit. That's a fun game.
Might be a playoff elimination game, considering the heavy competition
in the NFC this year. Also from a fantasy football perspective,
it's the last week of the regular season in a
lot of leagues, and I almost everybody's got either a
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cowboy or a lion on their team or will be
facing a cowboy or allion this week. Mike Sander will
join us at nine thirty. Seahawks Falcons will of course
be a monster topic today from eight to nine, that's
all we'll discuss with our experts, Hugh Millen and Greg Bell.
It's the twelfth Man Roundtable, cracking finally back in action.
They'll be in Edmonton. They'll meet at the Tree in Edmonton.
Speaker 6 (21:31):
It really does feel like they haven't played in a month.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
I know.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
So they played tonight at six o'clock College basketball probably
should have spent some more time on this. What a
game last night you dub trailed by sixteen with fifteen
minutes to go, and the Big ten opener against UCLA
almost came back and won that sucker. They do lose it,
ultimately eighty two to eighty and they will next play
usc Saturday at three, and Major League Baseball's Winter Meetings
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will start in three days. I know there's a lot
of holiday activities, but yes, we have to celebrate Christmas
just as hard as we do the Winter meetings this year.
Don't lose steam. No, So we're gonna, yeah, we're going
to talk about what the Winter meetings are for and
what the Mariners might do because I think, and I'm
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kind of changing my mind on this, it might be
the off season to make a blockbuster trade. I'll explain
it next. Sports Radio ninety three point three kJ RFM.
Haven't even eaten all my Thanksgiving Day leftovers, and now
I got to summon the energy to go to a
Winter meetings parties all next to week. You do, Yeah,
and I certainly let's let's not forget Christmas. It's a
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pretty big deal too.
Speaker 6 (22:40):
It's right up there, yeah, right.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Up there.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
You gotta pace yourself so you got enough steam for family, friends,
loved ones during the Christmas holiday as well. Just don't
don't peter out. Don't tucker yourself out.
Speaker 6 (22:53):
We're worried about you.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
Yeah, you know, partying too much. Next week during the
Major League Baseball Winter Meetings.
Speaker 7 (22:59):
Do we know for sure that that's not where Bucky's
not actually on a meeting celebration.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
Yeah, down plays it, but that's probably what they're doing.
Speaker 6 (23:08):
And he tell everyone it's your birthday.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
I don't even think Benny has a birthday. I met
him all Yeah, I think he just popped out of
the ground one day.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
Anyway, major League Baseball's Winter Meetings start on Sunday. They'll
run for a couple of days. They used to run
all week long, and then they were they realized, we
don't really need to do this for five straight days.
But the and it's not nearly as filled with activity
as it used to be. It used to be sort
of the week for off season activity. I would like
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nothing more for Major League Baseball to artificially implement another
trading deadline, an off season trading deadline, because I think
that even though there have been some fascinating moves this offseason.
Fascinating when there happen every eight days. Yeah, it just
the NFL has its free agency and it's awesome and
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it's awesome. And NBA, I mean rarely do NBA guys
even become free agents anymore, but they have this period
of forty eight hours of craziness and Major League Baseball
does a great job. It's trading deadline is the best
trading deadline. There's no better trading deadline. And for those
of you like, well, there won't be any activity, just
a lot of hype, you're not paying attention because the
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last three years in Major League Baseball, the trading deadline
has been insane. And the Mariners have been excellent in
three of their last four trading deadlines, very active, very busy.
And so the Major League Baseball trading deadline does well.
I'd like to see one in the off season so
that we did have an off season sort of frenzy
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and Major League Baseball.
Speaker 7 (24:43):
Something to kind of build up to and then yeah,
get all that that mojo going.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
Yeah, like you, if you don't sign as a free
agent by this day, you you can't play this year.
Speaker 7 (24:53):
Yeah, you know, someone like that, but like something that
you're like, Okay, now we know what we're counting down to.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
Yeah, but it's not to happen because the players are
all sticks in the mud and they count every single
cent that they have and always still think they're getting robbed,
and so it's not gonna happen. At least I don't
think it's going to happen. But Winter meetings used to
be sort of that week of all sorts of Major
League Baseball activity. And I don't need to see free agency.
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Free agency we can do all off season long. This
is the Week of trades because the idea behind it is, Hey,
all of you general managers who I've already started Winter,
would you like to come to a warm weather city,
hang out in a five star hotel, meet each other
for dinners and drinks to talk baseball, and in the
(25:41):
process you talk trades and you make trades, and then
the trades get broken and then the MLB network analyzes them.
It's really a beautiful setup. But people aren't contributing. They're
not not enough to satisfy us. So I just want
to talk about trades. I don't want to talk about
or a Polanco in this segment. I got one segment
to talk about baseball today. I don't want to talk
(26:02):
about Jhore Polanco or what free agent you want that
they're never going to sign. Let's talk about what could
be a trade because I've heard from Jerry and I've
heard from Justin that they're trying to run it back.
I mean, Jerry was on our show and told us, hey,
we trade Luis Castillo. That's not running it back, is it.
So they want to run it back. So that's their
goal and that's their objective, and I get it, and
(26:24):
I think it would work this offseason. I think it
would work okay if they can bring back Naylor, Polonco
and maybe even Gino in that process. Could that's a
playoff team yep, or a playoff team next year who
could still add before next year's trading deadline to fill
any holes that you might wan.
Speaker 7 (26:41):
Which would be kind of the modus operande that they've
been working with.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
Certainly did this year, and I think they fell in
love with that point, I think, so I wouldn't be
surprised if that's what they do. But the more I
start thinking about it, and maybe I've just got the
holiday spirit.
Speaker 6 (26:55):
It's just taken over welling up in me.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
This might be the perfect offseason to make a blockbuster trade.
You've been sitting on this major league prospect pool, which
some people believe is the best in baseball again, and
you've been sitting on it. I mean, yeah, you gave
away a Tyler Locklear, but you haven't traded any of
your top one hundred prospects. And there are some of
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those top one hundred prospects, and you have several of
them that are blocked from playing baseball for the Seattle
Mariners this year and four years to come. Harry Ford
is one of those.
Speaker 5 (27:29):
You have.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
Of those top one hundred prospects, like five of them
are middle infielders. There are only two middle endfield spots.
I mean, yeah, col Emerson might play third base for
a little while, but you're stockpiled at the position of
shortstop or second base right now in your organization, and
Cole Young's you're starting second basement as of today. So
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the idea is that he's not going to go anywhere.
He's just gonna keep getting better, right, and Emerson's your
future shortstop and Kyl Rowley, how the hell Harry Ford
gonna get any playing time with that beast in his way.
Speaker 6 (28:04):
I hope he's not ever getting anything exactly.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
Yeah, maybe you could concoct a role that is a
little more aggressive than how you used Garver. He's a
backup catcher and can DH some and maybe you teach
him a new position and so he gets more playing time.
I like Harry Ford. I'm damn near love Harry for yeah,
as a as a prospect, but he wants to catch
and I and right now, Harry Ford's got tremendous value
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trade value at this point, may not ever have more
because you, whoever gets him, is gonna have complete control
of the first six valuable years of salary control. And
he's ready to play right now. He's ready to be
somebody starting catcher in Major League Baseball right now. You
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add to that one of these one. Yeah, I'm not
saying getting rid of all of them. I like having
depth there too, But a Michael Arroyo or a Felman
Celestine or a Tie Pete. Uh yeah, don't trade Young
if you don't want don't trade Emerson. I don't want
you to trade Emerson, but not all of them are
going to play for you. So you got an opportunity
to take one of these middle endfielders plus Harry Ford
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and add a couple of other things to a trade
and really go get somebody. And when I say somebody,
don't think Juan Soto or Aaron Judge. Why do you
do that to yourself as Mariner fans, no one of those,
Like financially wise, Let's go get somebody from an organization
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that is in a rebuild, probably isn't going to be
winning in the next couple of years, has a young
talent that they're by the time they're ready to win,
they probably can't afford him and won't re sign him.
And so you have an opportunity to kind of get
a guy like that this offseason. And maybe that is
a Byron Buxton. I mean that's thirty one years old.
(29:56):
Maybe not exactly the description that I'm giving you. Maybe
it's a Seede Abrams from the Washington Nationals that you
know is could be your shortstop, could be an upgrade
at shortstop right now, or a future second baseman. But
maybe this is the year to go out and make
a really significant trade for an excellent young piece. And
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even if you're not planning on keeping that piece, beyond
once they get to free agency to be able to
use two of the three of their best years of
their entire career on the cheap. You've got the prospects
right now to make the move to add that player
to this mix. That gives you the chance to keep
Gino if you want, Yeah, and Naylor and Polanco and
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that's your offseason spending, and then you use your prospect
pool to get that future superstar that you are only
going to rent, but you're going to rent them for
three years, not three months. It might be the off
season to do that. I kind of want to see
it next.
Speaker 6 (30:57):
I would love to see it. Yeah, Yeah, I mean
I do.
Speaker 7 (31:00):
I think we're going to probably not, but could we
dream about it?
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Yes?
Speaker 6 (31:04):
And I would like him.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
Dream about it.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Jane. We just.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
All right coming up next, Nick emn Wori man Mike
McDonald just fantasizes about ways of using him. There's no
doubt about it. And apparently he's got another trick up
his sleeve scheduled for the Falcons this Sunday. We'll talk
about it next. Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM, All.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Right, chucking' Ashley with you, Bucky out today I'll be
back with us on Monday. I go back to the
NFL Combine where the darling of the NFL Combine was
a safety out of South Carolina by the name of
nick Emon Wori. He was making a combine splash, not
unlike what DK Metcalf had made years previous. Ends up
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that on Draft Day or Draft Days, I should say,
nick Emon Worri makes it out of the first round,
and you're wondering why because forecasts had said he was
climbing at one point in the process too, as high
as ten, eleven, twelve in the draft. Suddenly he's on
the board in day number two at the thirty fifth
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overall selection. And look what John Schneider does.
Speaker 4 (32:17):
He moves up just like he did with DK Metcalf
to get the physical freak that was nick Emon Worri
with a thirty fifth pick in the draft, a round
two steal, or so it felt. Then we go to
training camp and Mike McDonald finds out, Oh, this guy's
not just measurables. This guy has some football skill. This
is going to be fun working with this dude all
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season long, and he has turned out to be a
Pro Bowl type player in his first year in the
National Football League, and now it sounds like there's more
to Nick emon Worri's versatility. Greg Bell was on with
us yesterday to talk about how he has written that
maybe Mike McDonald has another trick up his leap in
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regards to how he might use Emon Worri this Sunday.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Yes, I am how about Nick even Warrey as a
defensive end, boy, that's what he played. I went through
snap by snap. I just watched Demon Worry Monday and
he lined up seven times as a defensive end. And
McDonald chuckled and said, we just keep giving him stuff
and he keeps doing it. When they drafted, of course,
even Warrey in the second round, traded up seventeen spots
(33:25):
to get him in May, they talked about him being
a Kyle Hamilton and doing everything. Well, he's doing more
than Hamilton, the All Pro as a rookie. He's only
played eight NFL games, and they've got him playing post safety,
nickel safety, outside linebacker sometimes inside linebacker. Next to Ernest
Jones is the only two off linebackers in the field.
They've got him playing outside linebacker, blitzing up the edge.
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They got him playing outside linebacker dropping into the flat,
and now they got him playing defensive end. When you
look at the numbers, everyone says, well, Seattle's got the
sub packager a ninety two percent. They're in sub package
nicol or dime. It's because of Nick, Eve and Worry
and they saved all these light box numbers that these
analytics guys talk about. The Steers don't play a light box.
They have a two hundred and twenty pounds safety who
comes to the line of scrimmage to play defensive end.
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That's their light box. So it is fascinating to watch
McDonald in real time invent things to do with him.
He said, we're making it up on the fly. When
they drafted him, they said that they had no idea
that he could play defensive end, but they tried it
in practice. It looked good. They tried it in the game,
looked great. You're going to see it again in Sunday
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in Atlanta, and McDonald's would just making it up as
we go. He kind of chuckled that there's nothing this
kid can't do yet. His speed is powered his awareness
and his ability to learn and willingness to learn. It's
really fun to watch when he rarely lined up in
the same place two snaps and definitely not three snaps
in a row against Minnesota, and that's a headache for
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quarterbacks and offensive coordinators and McDonald that's half the purpose
of doing that, so they don't know where he's coming from.
Speaker 6 (34:57):
Craig Bell with us yesterday.
Speaker 4 (34:58):
It'll be with us again today. Round table with Hugh Millan.
I'm certainly certain we'll talk a little more about nick
em and Warry expand on this topic. Couple of just
quick takeaways before the top of the hour. Break number one.
A lot of synonyms for laughter. Don't know why we
have to pick that one and say it twice. Chuckle.
Speaker 6 (35:18):
Really it made me chuckle.
Speaker 7 (35:19):
Hmmm.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (35:21):
I think you're doing it. I think you did it
on purpose. You were trying to send a message.
Speaker 7 (35:25):
I think it's just like when people say chuck the
ball around you. I think it just comes to mind.
Speaker 4 (35:29):
H Yeah, I think so too. I think people say
chuck the ball a lot more around me than they
do in their normal every day I don't agree with that,
and I'm insulted. I think you should be flattered they're
thinking about you. Nope, Nope, they're doing it and doing
it to get under my skin. And then the other
thing is, man, what a steal? This feels like, I mean,
and it felt like at the time, it felt like
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one of those things where you get something that you
don't know if you deserve, and you you love that
you're getting it, but you're like, wait a minute, what's
the cat?
Speaker 6 (36:00):
Yeah, where's the where's the other shoe?
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Right?
Speaker 4 (36:03):
I mean, what are we going to find out about
this guy in training camp that you know he's you know,
is there is there some hidden story here that people
knew about in the National Football League? Why did he
fall to us? And why does it seem too good
to be true? And it's been even better, Yeah than
what you could have imagined. Even if you were over
the moon about Emon Worri at thirty five, you couldn't
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know just how good a football player he was. And
now to have Mike McDonald sitting there and kind of
making him his pet project. I mean, what is the
future for this guy?
Speaker 6 (36:36):
Exciting?
Speaker 5 (36:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (36:37):
Exactly. I mean, we're we're just we're just tapping in
to everything that he's going to bring to the table.
So it is thrilling. We'll talk more about it in
our round table headlines though next plus, as I told
you earlier in the show, we're an here from Jedfish.
Great conversation with Softie and Dick Faine, last night, Sports
Radio ninety three point three KJRF
It's a sound shirk. Good morning, folks.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Good morning everyone, Good morning, good some time, Good morning class,
lazy and gentlemen.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
Ladies and gentlemen, behold in producing six one guard from
Brighton Mellanois and former high school basketball stand what in
the hell does that mean?
Speaker 4 (00:19):
Don't jumped any conclusions.
Speaker 5 (00:22):
Not a god, You've got to lower lower your expectations.
Hard to believe he could once send a fastball to Pluto.
I'm getting some Bucky jacobs and vibes and former.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
I'll just openly admit I'm a fat, out of shaped
X athlete. Now there's been a noticeable spike in your
blood pressure.
Speaker 5 (00:39):
Five seven guard and a former college water polo and
national champion.
Speaker 6 (00:43):
Is a lot of useless crap up here.
Speaker 5 (00:45):
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Speaker 2 (01:14):
Hey, good morning and welcome into this Thursday edition of
Chucking Back in the Morning.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Sports Radio ninety three point three kh A r f M.
Great to have you with us. I do emphasise the
we're great. It's not just good it's great to have
you with us. Thank you, Ashley, very Tony the tiger
of you.
Speaker 6 (01:30):
Well showing him what I could do.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
Uh huh, four hours. We got you till ten o'clock
this morning. We've got all sorts of cool stuff planned
for you. Of course, Bucky Jacobson will not be a
part of our reindeer games here. Today's taking a couple
of days off pretty much just to go drinking with buddies.
I mean, I don't know how else to put that.
That's yeah, yeah, he's got a he's got a friend
of his that all he does is give grief to
(01:55):
and yet good buddies. And those two buddies they're selling
lebrating a birthday down there in the old Palm Springs
with some other buddies, with other buddies, and so Bucki's
out for the next couple of days. Really does sound
like an Ashley type of trip.
Speaker 6 (02:10):
I'm very jealous.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Doesn't sound like a Bucky Tighter kind of trip. Like
an Ashley kind of trip. Like I'm eating girlfriends down
in Palm Springs and we're gonna, you know, do shots and.
Speaker 6 (02:22):
Play golf and hang out by the pool, hanging out.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
By the pool all day.
Speaker 6 (02:25):
Doesn't sound like a bucket out, No, it doesn't. Especially.
Speaker 7 (02:28):
I mean he's lucky it's only seventy degrees, because when
I looked at the weather, it's gonna be like eighty
as I said in a week.
Speaker 6 (02:33):
Yeah, I mean he would be miserable.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
I think a bucky outing is like heading to the
cabin with my boy.
Speaker 6 (02:39):
Would wear a fur hat. Yeah, I don't wear a
fur hat from an animal I killed.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
We're a drink elk blood.
Speaker 6 (02:45):
Yeah, I might add some to the dips.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
Smear it on each other, knack like man.
Speaker 7 (02:52):
His trips to me seem very Lord of the flies,
Like like when he was home alone, I was all
I pictured was Lord of the Flies type of string.
Speaker 6 (03:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Like he hasn't bathed and he's just jumping over the
fire pit.
Speaker 7 (03:03):
Yeah okay, yeah, okay, Well I'm he might go into
the river for a bath.
Speaker 6 (03:07):
Yeah yeah, but that's it.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Uh huh Okay, I see what I mean.
Speaker 6 (03:11):
His goal when Kate was gone was no dishes that.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
Even even Lord of the Flies have to find social.
Speaker 7 (03:16):
Occasions they do, and this one is quite opposite of
Lord of the Flies.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
Right, it's an Ashley trip.
Speaker 7 (03:22):
Let's face and I don't think he should be allowed.
Speaker 6 (03:24):
To take one without me getting to go along.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
For I think that's the great approach, because I don't
think there's anything wrong with how, you know, friend lives. Yeah,
you know, see what they do for fun, See what
they do for fun. But you ought to have you
around to show everybody how it's done.
Speaker 7 (03:42):
I agree, But that's all right. I'm sure they'll have
an okay time.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
Yeah, it'll be fine. It could be better, Yeah, exactly. Well,
welcome in. But we do have a lot planned for
you here on the Today's program, including we're going to
replay some of the conversation last afternoon from the off
the Maler Dick Faine radio program where they had on
Jed Fish. It was National Signing Day yesterday. Obviously we've
(04:07):
taken a little bit of a breath coming out of
the regular season having come to an end. In college football,
of course, the postseason starts on Saturday with Conference Championship Week.
The Huskies will play in a bowl game, and it
sounds like it's gonna be a relatively early bowl game
gathering in the process. But nonetheless to me, I mean again,
(04:31):
I'm not a bowl game person, so to me the
season's over. Yeah, And so certainly we've had a little
bit of a breath and we've had Lane Kiffins stories
in college football rankings to discuss, but haven't really sunk
our teeth into with the exception of the Cam Cleveland
conversation yesterday, kind of just making sense of what the
season has been for Jed Fish and Washington Huskies. And
(04:54):
so we're gonna take a little more time to do
that today. We're gonna replace some of that conversation coming
up at seven oh fo five between Softie and Jed.
But I've been wanting to talk about my Jedfish issues
all week long, my fish shoes if you will like that, Yeah,
And I have the right person to chat about it with,
(05:14):
because you know, duck boy over here would get in
the way of just a real good husky conversation about
Jetfish and how it's going. And I brought this up
to Cam yesterday and we haven't had a chance as
a show to discuss it. But I do find it
pretty fascinating that. I mean, it does feel like Jetfish
(05:36):
took over the program and every right thinking person in
Seattle was like, Wow, we don't want to lose Kaylin
de Bore, this seems like a pretty good pivot. You know,
remains to be seen, but that seems like a pretty
good pivot. This guy's got a reputation of being a
really smart guy, and he also is somebody that was
(05:58):
perfectly willing in this transition period in college football of
embracing the NILP and all the changes that were happening.
And he immediately showed you his transfer portal abilities brought
in a lot of different veterans. But replacing twenty starters
twenty one starters in your first season doesn't matter what
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kind of program you take over. That's hard. Yeah, And
so Jetfish had his work cut out for him, and
it felt like we were all on the same page,
like we're going to give him a free pass. And
then he went six and six, and you're like, okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 6 (06:32):
Can't be mad about it.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
He can't be mad about.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
It, but.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
I do wish we would have seen a little bit more.
Speaker 6 (06:37):
Yeah. It was like, temper your expectations, but we're ready
to be pleasantly surprised, right, Yeah, and yet he delivered
what we had expected. What you should have.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
Expected, certainly, and we should have all been alright with that,
then you go into the second season like, well, you
better be better next year. The free past days are over. Yeah,
so we need to see some progress from year number
one to year number two. And they delivered on that.
They went eight and four this year. I think teams
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like Washington that are sort of on the cusp of
being a top twenty five team in the country, not
program team in the country. You know what happened to
them in their schedule, I think is what you would expect.
They're not ready to beat Ohio State. Yet No, they're
not ready. They weren't ready this year to beat Oregon,
(07:32):
and yet they competed. They competed with Ohio State for
three quarters. There were moments in that Ohio State game
you're like, man, if they would just have executed this
or that, we'd have a different ballgame. Now I had
fifteen things that needed to change, like no, you execute
that play or you execute that drive, and we had
a different game here, and you were very close to
(07:54):
doing that. So they competed. Yeah, and I know that
people with a championship mentality, it almost feels like you're
patting them on the head like, oh, nice job, little buddy.
So nobody wants to like wants that to be long term.
But in terms of what our expectations were for Jedfish
in year number two, what were they You gotta be
(08:15):
a lot better, yep, and they were. They went eight
and four on the season, and yet we get to
the end of the year, and then you can sense
the frustration. I think you had it. I have it,
certainly people around this building have it. It's like, all right,
you did go eight and four and you were more
competitive with the big boys in the conference. Yeah, you
(08:37):
slipped up and lost a game, but that's usually what
top thirty teams in the country do. They're not good
every single day. And so when you've took on Wisconsin,
those are the kind of game. Top thirty teams lose
a game like that during the year, and they usually
steal a game as well, and they usually show up.
I mean, I'm sure Illinois is sitting back there thinking, Man,
(08:58):
I can't believe we got beat that soundly.
Speaker 6 (09:00):
Yeah, in Seattle when we faced them, we thought we
were better than that.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
I would agree with it, right, And so he delivers
on the eight and four season, and yet we get
to the end of the year and what's our reaction? Okay,
that was our expectation for your number two. You could
have surprised me with a little bit.
Speaker 6 (09:18):
More, right, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
Well, the way you feel like everybody's kind of reacting
to it, we could have seen more from you. I mean,
what was wrong with the offense? Why wasn't Demon Williams
more consistent? Jonah Coleman? What was that whole thing? You know,
it does feel like you get to the end of
the year and you kind of got what you thought
you should have got, and yet you can't help but think, well,
(09:40):
it could have been better, right.
Speaker 7 (09:42):
Yeah, Well, and I think going in you had such
high expectations of Demon Williams and what he could do,
and so then to see that some of the issues
were Demond Williams, it.
Speaker 6 (09:52):
Was like, wait a minute, I didn't think. I didn't
expect this.
Speaker 7 (09:54):
And then with Jonah Coleman and his injury, I don't
really understand when that exactly happened or how severe it was.
But you have two really good backup running backs that
could have fulfilled that role a lot earlier, I think,
and I just I don't There was certain things like
after coming out of those the first three games, it was,
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and going into Ohio State, all of a sudden, the
offense disappeared. And I know Ohio State's defense is exceptional
and that had probably quite a bit to do with it.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
Well, it didn't disappear. It showed up for the average
two below average teams, right, dominated that, right, But it
never appeared against the great teams. Right.
Speaker 6 (10:35):
That was my issue.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
So even though you did show progress, I mean, you
weren't competitive with the Oregon last year. You were this year.
Speaker 7 (10:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
I mean again, that was another game where like, man,
they're playing with him, Walter's getting the job done, and
we could just stop people on third and long and
we would just give the ball to Mohammad because he's
obviously the run game is having more success than demand
throwing the ball. Right now, you know, there was you
(11:04):
could entertain like, hey, we can take this thing. You
could entertain that as late as the into the third
quarter into the fourth quarter, and that's progress, that's progress.
And yet once you get in it, you're like, well
we're not as good as organ dammit. Yeah, but that
really wasn't the expectation. I guess my point is I
(11:24):
have developed some fissues. There are some things about the
program thus far that have surprised me to the negative. Okay,
and yet when you start doing your checklist of what
were your realistic expectations for how this thing was supposed
to go six and six in the first year, considering
(11:44):
what you had to dig out.
Speaker 6 (11:46):
Of, Yeah, that was that's a check Yep.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
Eight and four in the six second year with time
spent in the top twenty five competitive games against the
best teams in the country that were on your schedule. Yeah,
you kicked the game in Wisconsin. But as I said before,
that's what that's the that's the recipe of a top
thirty team in the country, which is what Washington was. Yeah,
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this year, and so that's that usually happens to top
thirty teams. They lose a game they shouldn't and then
so all of that stuff, it's like they did kind
of achieve What if you wrote it down on paper,
this is what I want to get out of this season,
it probably did satisfy if you were being realistic.
Speaker 6 (12:30):
If you're being realistic, yes, what you were looking for.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
And then yesterday he comes through. First of all, he's
staying yeah, which was another thing that everybody was, Oh,
this guy's reputation. He just bounces and all season long
hounded by are you leaving for this job? Are you
leaving for that job? Are you leaving? And he's staying.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
I don't know what the politics are or what the
gossip is behind. I don't know why. I don't know.
I understand all of the reasons for why he's staying.
But he is staying. So that's another thing. Six and
six to eight and four more competitive. Now he's staying.
We know he's going to be around for at least
one more year. And obviously the recruiting is working. So
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you come away yesterday with a top thirteen class and
you had a lot of people in college football praising
like oh Man Washington. Look out for Washington. Something is
happening there. So I guess my point because I was
planning on talking about my fishues all week long before
I would enter into discussing further any fishes that I have.
(13:35):
I think there has to be an acknowledgment of he's
checking the boxes.
Speaker 6 (13:40):
Yes for us.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
Now he hasn't taken it. You know, he didn't take
over a rebuilding effort and go eight and four in
the first year.
Speaker 6 (13:48):
I mean that we would all love that.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
Yeah, he didn't go in the second year and beat
Oregon and and be a part of the college football
playoff ranking discussion. I mean that would have been the
high end expectation for this year. But he got done
what I think realistically we expected him to get done.
And the recruiting classes keep improving every year. His willingness
(14:14):
actually energy for this new world of college football, which
a lot of coaches hate. He seems to be embracing it,
which is a wonderful feather in his cap. So it
is progressing. It is moving in the direction that realistically
we should have expected it to move the pace it
should have moved at. There have been guys that have
(14:36):
come in the past took over a program that seemed
to be in shambles and they did such an excellent
job that they turned it around overnight. Bob Stoops was
one of those guys. Nick Saban's done that before. I mean,
there are exceptional jobs that have been done in college
football where they came in, put their hands all over
(14:56):
the product and it turned around instantly overnight. And it Yeah,
so's there's another world that we could have been living in.
But in terms of just kind of keeping focus on
the task at hand. He's gotten the job done. He's
done what he's supposed to do. Taking over a program
that was left I'm not going to say and ruin
(15:19):
or in ashes, but certainly.
Speaker 6 (15:21):
It was pretty low.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
Trying to replace everything that got destroyed when Kaylin Debor
left was not going to be an easy task. And
two years into it, it's been a steady climb, but
it's a climb. We are climbing. It is elevating, and
I think that we need to spend some time giving
Jetfish credit for that.
Speaker 7 (15:40):
Yes, absolutely, it has been an improvement, and I think,
you know, it's just not it hasn't been exciting, you
know what I mean, It's just kind of been the steady. Yes,
you're doing what people would expect, and thank you for that.
There's nothing that's just blowing your mind, like, oh my gosh,
I can't believe we did that.
Speaker 6 (15:57):
And I think that's where my have just this tempered.
You know, it was so.
Speaker 7 (16:03):
Exciting with Debor and Ryan Grubb and Michael Pennix and
Roma do you know that whole group, and to come
off of that is no fault of Jed's at all,
and he kind of got put in a really tough
situation because people one adored Kaitlin de Boor and two
we'd just come off making it to the National Championship.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
And that's another aspect of it. When he comes into town,
you know that he has this reputation of bouncing around,
so you know that the coaching rumors are going to
fly around every time that one comes up. You know
that people are going to go crazy on social media.
Are you going to overreact to it or are you
going to try to keep a levelhead about it, because
we don't What we don't know is what really is
(16:43):
going on between Jedfish's ears. We also know, I mean
Chris Peterson didn't really have much of a relationship with
the media. He had one with Softy, but Softy's an exception,
or with really the fan base. Yeah, I mean Chris P.
Pterson was a good guy. But Jetfish has had a
(17:04):
better relationship with the fan base and with the media
than what Chris Peterson did. But because we came off
of Kaylen de Boor, who was like Doris Day.
Speaker 6 (17:13):
Yeah and then broke our hearts yeah, and.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
Came in and won immediately and took those big jumps
forward and was kind to everyone.
Speaker 6 (17:21):
So exciting. Everything was so awesome.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
Yeah, he's like a I know this is a Dick
Fane nickname. He was like a snow globe. It's like
everything in that world looks so wonderful. Well, that's hard
to match up with Jetfish doesn't have the same personality.
We knew going in that it was going to be
more difficult to get him on the airwaves with us. Yea,
and yet I've enjoyed every conversation that I've had with him,
and so he Yeah, he hasn't done the things that
(17:46):
Kaylen de Boor showed you that you can do in
a short period of time. Yeah, and or Bob Stoops
did at Oklahoma, or a Nick Saban did at LSU,
or the list. I could make a list. But he
has done what realistically we expected him to do, right,
He has checked those boxes. The programs getting stronger in
(18:09):
this new era of nil, Washington is embracing it. They
seem to be ahead of the game. And so I
think it's you know, in this week of sort of reflecting,
I was planning on doing a segment earlier this week
on what I don't like about Jetfish and what I'm surprised.
I don't like about Jetfish, but as we get now
(18:29):
that we get to Thursday, I think it was more
important to have a conversation about, Hey, there are a
lot of things to like here.
Speaker 6 (18:36):
Yes, there are, yeah, a lot of positives.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
And so even though it hasn't gone from zero to
sixty as fast as we've wanted it to go, it's
still we're moving towards sixty. We're not decelerating. We are
accelerating as a program under his direction. We just started
from a lower point than what we are accustomed to, and.
Speaker 7 (18:57):
I think that's a that's the fair expectation to put
on Jetfish. I think putting anything else on him would
have been unfair to him. We would have been setting
him up and ourselves up for a disappointment. And so
it is important to look at that steady improvement as
as as I said, it's not overly exciting.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
Yeah, we were open to being blown away, yes, and
that has not happened.
Speaker 6 (19:20):
And that's okay because at least it was an improvement.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
Yes, Yeah, all right, let's find out what's on tap
for the rest of the show. What's on to what's
on top?
Speaker 1 (19:32):
All right?
Speaker 4 (19:33):
National Signing Day did come to a close yesterday. We
will replace some of that conversation between Soft and Jetfish.
That's kind of on your way at seven five Transfer Portal,
by the way, for those wondering. That opens up January second,
and there's a two week window, and so that's basically
free agency frenzy in college football, and it's going to
become a bigger deal every year unless you know, more
(19:55):
rule changes are in store for us in the future.
But as of right now, that is a really important
two weeks in the college football calendar, and it starts
on January tewod College Football Conference Championship Week Friday and Saturday.
All the big boys you're going to play on Saturday
and including Indiana versus Ohio State one excuse me two
(20:17):
versus one for the Big Ten title. Oh, it's gonna
be great at five o'clock. Selection Sunday is this Sunday,
so we will know the NCAA Tournament field. Will spend
some time later on in the show talking about college
football playoff rankings bias, because I think it's hilarious. The
Lane Kiff and Saga took another turn. We actually found
out some information about how Old Miss isn't all that
(20:39):
broken up that Lane Kiffin left and more information regarding
just what a liar he can be to try to
make himself look better.
Speaker 6 (20:48):
Shocking.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
Yeah, we found that some of that out yesterday as well.
Thursday night football starts week number fourteen of the NFL season.
It's a good one. Dallas at Detroit. That's a fun game.
Might be a playoff elimination game, considering the heavy competition
in the NFC this year. Also from a fantasy football perspective,
it's the last week of the regular season in a
lot of leagues, and I almost everybody's got either a
(21:10):
cowboy or a lion on their team or will be
facing a cowboy or allion this week. Mike Sander will
join us at nine thirty. Seahawks Falcons will of course
be a monster topic today from eight to nine, that's
all we'll discuss with our experts, Hugh Millen and Greg Bell.
It's the twelfth Man Roundtable, cracking finally back in action.
They'll be in Edmonton. They'll meet at the Tree in Edmonton.
Speaker 6 (21:31):
It really does feel like they haven't played in a month.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
I know.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
So they played tonight at six o'clock College basketball probably
should have spent some more time on this. What a
game last night you dub trailed by sixteen with fifteen
minutes to go, and the Big ten opener against UCLA
almost came back and won that sucker. They do lose it,
ultimately eighty two to eighty and they will next play
usc Saturday at three, and Major League Baseball's Winter Meetings
(21:55):
will start in three days. I know there's a lot
of holiday activities, but yes, we have to celebrate Christmas
just as hard as we do the Winter meetings this year.
Don't lose steam. No, So we're gonna, yeah, we're going
to talk about what the Winter meetings are for and
what the Mariners might do because I think, and I'm
(22:15):
kind of changing my mind on this, it might be
the off season to make a blockbuster trade. I'll explain
it next. Sports Radio ninety three point three kJ RFM.
Haven't even eaten all my Thanksgiving Day leftovers, and now
I got to summon the energy to go to a
Winter meetings parties all next to week. You do, Yeah,
and I certainly let's let's not forget Christmas. It's a
(22:39):
pretty big deal too.
Speaker 6 (22:40):
It's right up there, yeah, right.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Up there.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
You gotta pace yourself so you got enough steam for family, friends,
loved ones during the Christmas holiday as well. Just don't
don't peter out. Don't tucker yourself out.
Speaker 6 (22:53):
We're worried about you.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
Yeah, you know, partying too much. Next week during the
Major League Baseball Winter Meetings.
Speaker 7 (22:59):
Do we know for sure that that's not where Bucky's
not actually on a meeting celebration.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
Yeah, down plays it, but that's probably what they're doing.
Speaker 6 (23:08):
And he tell everyone it's your birthday.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
I don't even think Benny has a birthday. I met
him all Yeah, I think he just popped out of
the ground one day.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
Anyway, major League Baseball's Winter Meetings start on Sunday. They'll
run for a couple of days. They used to run
all week long, and then they were they realized, we
don't really need to do this for five straight days.
But the and it's not nearly as filled with activity
as it used to be. It used to be sort
of the week for off season activity. I would like
(23:38):
nothing more for Major League Baseball to artificially implement another
trading deadline, an off season trading deadline, because I think
that even though there have been some fascinating moves this offseason.
Fascinating when there happen every eight days. Yeah, it just
the NFL has its free agency and it's awesome and
(24:01):
it's awesome. And NBA, I mean rarely do NBA guys
even become free agents anymore, but they have this period
of forty eight hours of craziness and Major League Baseball
does a great job. It's trading deadline is the best
trading deadline. There's no better trading deadline. And for those
of you like, well, there won't be any activity, just
a lot of hype, you're not paying attention because the
(24:21):
last three years in Major League Baseball, the trading deadline
has been insane. And the Mariners have been excellent in
three of their last four trading deadlines, very active, very busy.
And so the Major League Baseball trading deadline does well.
I'd like to see one in the off season so
that we did have an off season sort of frenzy
(24:42):
and Major League Baseball.
Speaker 7 (24:43):
Something to kind of build up to and then yeah,
get all that that mojo going.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
Yeah, like you, if you don't sign as a free
agent by this day, you you can't play this year.
Speaker 7 (24:53):
Yeah, you know, someone like that, but like something that
you're like, Okay, now we know what we're counting down to.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
Yeah, but it's not to happen because the players are
all sticks in the mud and they count every single
cent that they have and always still think they're getting robbed,
and so it's not gonna happen. At least I don't
think it's going to happen. But Winter meetings used to
be sort of that week of all sorts of Major
League Baseball activity. And I don't need to see free agency.
(25:20):
Free agency we can do all off season long. This
is the Week of trades because the idea behind it is, Hey,
all of you general managers who I've already started Winter,
would you like to come to a warm weather city,
hang out in a five star hotel, meet each other
for dinners and drinks to talk baseball, and in the
(25:41):
process you talk trades and you make trades, and then
the trades get broken and then the MLB network analyzes them.
It's really a beautiful setup. But people aren't contributing. They're
not not enough to satisfy us. So I just want
to talk about trades. I don't want to talk about
or a Polanco in this segment. I got one segment
to talk about baseball today. I don't want to talk
(26:02):
about Jhore Polanco or what free agent you want that
they're never going to sign. Let's talk about what could
be a trade because I've heard from Jerry and I've
heard from Justin that they're trying to run it back.
I mean, Jerry was on our show and told us, hey,
we trade Luis Castillo. That's not running it back, is it.
So they want to run it back. So that's their
goal and that's their objective, and I get it, and
(26:24):
I think it would work this offseason. I think it
would work okay if they can bring back Naylor, Polonco
and maybe even Gino in that process. Could that's a
playoff team yep, or a playoff team next year who
could still add before next year's trading deadline to fill
any holes that you might wan.
Speaker 7 (26:41):
Which would be kind of the modus operande that they've
been working with.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
Certainly did this year, and I think they fell in
love with that point, I think, so I wouldn't be
surprised if that's what they do. But the more I
start thinking about it, and maybe I've just got the
holiday spirit.
Speaker 6 (26:55):
It's just taken over welling up in me.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
This might be the perfect offseason to make a blockbuster trade.
You've been sitting on this major league prospect pool, which
some people believe is the best in baseball again, and
you've been sitting on it. I mean, yeah, you gave
away a Tyler Locklear, but you haven't traded any of
your top one hundred prospects. And there are some of
(27:18):
those top one hundred prospects, and you have several of
them that are blocked from playing baseball for the Seattle
Mariners this year and four years to come. Harry Ford
is one of those.
Speaker 5 (27:29):
You have.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
Of those top one hundred prospects, like five of them
are middle infielders. There are only two middle endfield spots.
I mean, yeah, col Emerson might play third base for
a little while, but you're stockpiled at the position of
shortstop or second base right now in your organization, and
Cole Young's you're starting second basement as of today. So
(27:52):
the idea is that he's not going to go anywhere.
He's just gonna keep getting better, right, and Emerson's your
future shortstop and Kyl Rowley, how the hell Harry Ford
gonna get any playing time with that beast in his way.
Speaker 6 (28:04):
I hope he's not ever getting anything exactly.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
Yeah, maybe you could concoct a role that is a
little more aggressive than how you used Garver. He's a
backup catcher and can DH some and maybe you teach
him a new position and so he gets more playing time.
I like Harry Ford. I'm damn near love Harry for yeah,
as a as a prospect, but he wants to catch
and I and right now, Harry Ford's got tremendous value
(28:28):
trade value at this point, may not ever have more
because you, whoever gets him, is gonna have complete control
of the first six valuable years of salary control. And
he's ready to play right now. He's ready to be
somebody starting catcher in Major League Baseball right now. You
(28:49):
add to that one of these one. Yeah, I'm not
saying getting rid of all of them. I like having
depth there too, But a Michael Arroyo or a Felman
Celestine or a Tie Pete. Uh yeah, don't trade Young
if you don't want don't trade Emerson. I don't want
you to trade Emerson, but not all of them are
going to play for you. So you got an opportunity
to take one of these middle endfielders plus Harry Ford
(29:11):
and add a couple of other things to a trade
and really go get somebody. And when I say somebody,
don't think Juan Soto or Aaron Judge. Why do you
do that to yourself as Mariner fans, no one of those,
Like financially wise, Let's go get somebody from an organization
(29:34):
that is in a rebuild, probably isn't going to be
winning in the next couple of years, has a young
talent that they're by the time they're ready to win,
they probably can't afford him and won't re sign him.
And so you have an opportunity to kind of get
a guy like that this offseason. And maybe that is
a Byron Buxton. I mean that's thirty one years old.
(29:56):
Maybe not exactly the description that I'm giving you. Maybe
it's a Seede Abrams from the Washington Nationals that you
know is could be your shortstop, could be an upgrade
at shortstop right now, or a future second baseman. But
maybe this is the year to go out and make
a really significant trade for an excellent young piece. And
(30:17):
even if you're not planning on keeping that piece, beyond
once they get to free agency to be able to
use two of the three of their best years of
their entire career on the cheap. You've got the prospects
right now to make the move to add that player
to this mix. That gives you the chance to keep
Gino if you want, Yeah, and Naylor and Polanco and
(30:41):
that's your offseason spending, and then you use your prospect
pool to get that future superstar that you are only
going to rent, but you're going to rent them for
three years, not three months. It might be the off
season to do that. I kind of want to see
it next.
Speaker 6 (30:57):
I would love to see it. Yeah, Yeah, I mean
I do.
Speaker 7 (31:00):
I think we're going to probably not, but could we
dream about it?
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Yes?
Speaker 6 (31:04):
And I would like him.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
Dream about it.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Jane. We just.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
All right coming up next, Nick emn Wori man Mike
McDonald just fantasizes about ways of using him. There's no
doubt about it. And apparently he's got another trick up
his sleeve scheduled for the Falcons this Sunday. We'll talk
about it next. Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM, All.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Right, chucking' Ashley with you, Bucky out today I'll be
back with us on Monday. I go back to the
NFL Combine where the darling of the NFL Combine was
a safety out of South Carolina by the name of
nick Emon Wori. He was making a combine splash, not
unlike what DK Metcalf had made years previous. Ends up
(31:51):
that on Draft Day or Draft Days, I should say,
nick Emon Worri makes it out of the first round,
and you're wondering why because forecasts had said he was
climbing at one point in the process too, as high
as ten, eleven, twelve in the draft. Suddenly he's on
the board in day number two at the thirty fifth
(32:13):
overall selection. And look what John Schneider does.
Speaker 4 (32:17):
He moves up just like he did with DK Metcalf
to get the physical freak that was nick Emon Worri
with a thirty fifth pick in the draft, a round
two steal, or so it felt. Then we go to
training camp and Mike McDonald finds out, Oh, this guy's
not just measurables. This guy has some football skill. This
is going to be fun working with this dude all
(32:39):
season long, and he has turned out to be a
Pro Bowl type player in his first year in the
National Football League, and now it sounds like there's more
to Nick emon Worri's versatility. Greg Bell was on with
us yesterday to talk about how he has written that
maybe Mike McDonald has another trick up his leap in
(33:00):
regards to how he might use Emon Worri this Sunday.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Yes, I am how about Nick even Warrey as a
defensive end, boy, that's what he played. I went through
snap by snap. I just watched Demon Worry Monday and
he lined up seven times as a defensive end. And
McDonald chuckled and said, we just keep giving him stuff
and he keeps doing it. When they drafted, of course,
even Warrey in the second round, traded up seventeen spots
(33:25):
to get him in May, they talked about him being
a Kyle Hamilton and doing everything. Well, he's doing more
than Hamilton, the All Pro as a rookie. He's only
played eight NFL games, and they've got him playing post safety,
nickel safety, outside linebacker sometimes inside linebacker. Next to Ernest
Jones is the only two off linebackers in the field.
They've got him playing outside linebacker, blitzing up the edge.
(33:46):
They got him playing outside linebacker dropping into the flat,
and now they got him playing defensive end. When you
look at the numbers, everyone says, well, Seattle's got the
sub packager a ninety two percent. They're in sub package
nicol or dime. It's because of Nick, Eve and Worry
and they saved all these light box numbers that these
analytics guys talk about. The Steers don't play a light box.
They have a two hundred and twenty pounds safety who
comes to the line of scrimmage to play defensive end.
(34:09):
That's their light box. So it is fascinating to watch
McDonald in real time invent things to do with him.
He said, we're making it up on the fly. When
they drafted him, they said that they had no idea
that he could play defensive end, but they tried it
in practice. It looked good. They tried it in the game,
looked great. You're going to see it again in Sunday
(34:29):
in Atlanta, and McDonald's would just making it up as
we go. He kind of chuckled that there's nothing this
kid can't do yet. His speed is powered his awareness
and his ability to learn and willingness to learn. It's
really fun to watch when he rarely lined up in
the same place two snaps and definitely not three snaps
in a row against Minnesota, and that's a headache for
(34:50):
quarterbacks and offensive coordinators and McDonald that's half the purpose
of doing that, so they don't know where he's coming from.
Speaker 6 (34:57):
Craig Bell with us yesterday.
Speaker 4 (34:58):
It'll be with us again today. Round table with Hugh Millan.
I'm certainly certain we'll talk a little more about nick
em and Warry expand on this topic. Couple of just
quick takeaways before the top of the hour. Break number one.
A lot of synonyms for laughter. Don't know why we
have to pick that one and say it twice. Chuckle.
Speaker 6 (35:18):
Really it made me chuckle.
Speaker 7 (35:19):
Hmmm.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (35:21):
I think you're doing it. I think you did it
on purpose. You were trying to send a message.
Speaker 7 (35:25):
I think it's just like when people say chuck the
ball around you. I think it just comes to mind.
Speaker 4 (35:29):
H Yeah, I think so too. I think people say
chuck the ball a lot more around me than they
do in their normal every day I don't agree with that,
and I'm insulted. I think you should be flattered they're
thinking about you. Nope, Nope, they're doing it and doing
it to get under my skin. And then the other
thing is, man, what a steal? This feels like, I mean,
and it felt like at the time, it felt like
(35:51):
one of those things where you get something that you
don't know if you deserve, and you you love that
you're getting it, but you're like, wait a minute, what's
the cat?
Speaker 6 (36:00):
Yeah, where's the where's the other shoe?
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Right?
Speaker 4 (36:03):
I mean, what are we going to find out about
this guy in training camp that you know he's you know,
is there is there some hidden story here that people
knew about in the National Football League? Why did he
fall to us? And why does it seem too good
to be true? And it's been even better, Yeah than
what you could have imagined. Even if you were over
the moon about Emon Worri at thirty five, you couldn't
(36:26):
know just how good a football player he was. And
now to have Mike McDonald sitting there and kind of
making him his pet project. I mean, what is the
future for this guy?
Speaker 6 (36:36):
Exciting?
Speaker 5 (36:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (36:37):
Exactly. I mean, we're we're just we're just tapping in
to everything that he's going to bring to the table.
So it is thrilling. We'll talk more about it in
our round table headlines though next plus, as I told
you earlier in the show, we're an here from Jedfish.
Great conversation with Softie and Dick Faine, last night, Sports
Radio ninety three point three KJRF
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