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There was a lot to cover on Thursday's show! From the repercussions of the Sherrone Moore firing to the return of Phillip Rivers, we covered it all with Kurt Warner, Mike Sando and our 12th Man Roundtable.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Lazy and gentlemen, Ladies and gentlemen, behold in.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
Sixty one guard from Brighton, Illanois and former high school
basketball stand.

Speaker 3 (00:11):
What in the hell does that mean?

Speaker 4 (00:12):
Don't jumped any conclusions. Not a god, You've got to
lower lower your expectations.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
Hard to believe he could once send a fastball to
plum getting some Bucky Jacobson vibes and former I'll just
openly admit I'm a fat, out of shaped ex athlete.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
Now there's been a noticeable spike in your blood pressure.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Five seven guard and a former college water polo national chimpion.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
Has a lot of useless crap up here.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
This is Chuck and Buck in the Morning with Ashley Ryan.
What to you buy to? They look casino resort and
quilse to Creek Draft cany sports book where the action
never stops.

Speaker 4 (01:07):
Hey, good morning, Welcome into the radio show that is
called throughout the Heartland and beyond Chucking Buck in the
Morning Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM. Great to
have you with us here on this Thursday morning. We
got four hours with too much to discuss. Once again,
I was really going to I had two really fun
segments set aside to do today. A couple of goofy

(01:28):
things got a little off the sports track a little
bit here today, but I don't think we can afford
to do it. There's just too much serious sports going
on out there.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
Ain't nobody got time for that.

Speaker 4 (01:42):
Ain't nobody got time for nothing these days.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
That is the truth.

Speaker 4 (01:45):
Welcome into the radio program. My name is Chuck Powell.
Ashley Ryan is here as well, and hopefully you're doing
all right with all of the rain that is falling
here today. It has cost us a team member for
today's show, as Bucky Jacobson is not going to be
with us on today's program obviously. Living by a river

(02:08):
out in North Bend with so much rain, he's got
things to take care of around the household, and so
we won't have Bucky today. And for his sake and
for everybody's sake out there, I think the I mean,
you're the meteorologist on this program. I think what what
it shows on my phone? And my phone isn't the

(02:28):
same brick that I used to have.

Speaker 5 (02:29):
Yeah, it's mostly updated, I think, mostly much better.

Speaker 4 (02:33):
We just got to get through pretty much the morning
into the afternoon, and then some of this and then
it's going to fade out.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (02:41):
We My flood watch got updated till Saturday. It was
supposed to be over Friday at four, it got updated
till Saturday at four.

Speaker 4 (02:48):
Well, I think the flood waters we just got to
deal with them until they recess in terms of like
getting rain, getting more rain. I think you're right. It
was on my phone last night that it's done by
noon today. Yeah, and so from that point then we
can then the waters will recede and hopefully we can
return back to normal life. But I know, I know

(03:10):
how damaging all this has been on a lot of
people out there, including our own Bucky Jacobson, who's nothing's wrong,
nothing's wrong with him, but obviously he's got to protect
house and home and family here today and is in
one of those lower lying regions that also is right
via riverbank.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 5 (03:31):
Had he had to couldn't even drive his car up
to his house yesterday. Yeah, the water on the road.
So I hope that they're okay. I was a little
worried about them overnight because that water is right next
to their house.

Speaker 4 (03:40):
Yeah, no doubt, no doubt. And raging a little bit
and we've got more rain falling as we speak. If
you're just waking up, it's raining hard again this morning.
So obviously that's priority number one, story number one around here.
But we will distract you with four hours of sports
nonsense during today's radio show. And so it is great
to have you with us on the program, so Ashley

(04:03):
and myself, but all sorts of great guests going to
be joining us today and we'll map that out with
what's on tap here in a matter of moments. The
story we're leading with, and there are two options here,
I mean, Philip Rivers is still just so fascinating. I
could lead for a third straight day with Philip Rivers
and the Colts quarterback situation. We will talk about it

(04:24):
for the end of the hour and we're gonna spend
a lot of time on it during the four hours
we are together. But the Sharon Moore story suddenly becomes
a big topic, and believe it or not, yeah, it's
a big story, and it's sensational, and it's you know, clickworthy,
and it's refresh worthy to find out if there's any

(04:47):
more information. It's scandalous, it's you know, it's everything. And
if you haven't heard about it. I'll detail it for
you here in a second. But also this has turned
into about as big a local story as we're dealing
with as well.

Speaker 5 (05:03):
Yeah right, when we just yeah, yeah, and the domino
effect of whoever takes the Michigan head coaching job now
and every single name being brought up has links to
the University.

Speaker 4 (05:19):
Of Washington basically, yeah, And we'll get into an actual
discussion about it in a moment. But I woke up
this morning to the conversation about who's going to be
the next Michigan head coach and the only two names
that were discussed were Jetfish and Kaylin de Boor believe
it or not correct, And so that seems to be

(05:41):
where the media at least is focused on as who
might end up replacing Sharon Moore Ann Arbor. And then
I heard a third name on the drive in Chris Peterson.

Speaker 5 (05:53):
Oh okay, no way, sorry, he didn't coming out of coaching.

Speaker 4 (05:57):
Yeah, yeah, so.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
Allow that he's not allowed to kind of coaching to
go to Michigan.

Speaker 4 (06:03):
So we'll get into that aspect here in a moment,
because that's a really big deal and we'll be talking
about a lot today. And yet the story itself, just
to update you as much as we can, or maybe
inform you in case you did check out last night. Hey,
there's not much going on in the sports world. I'm
going to go pitch a tent in the backyard with
the kids. Maybe that's what you decided to do. And

(06:25):
now you're trying to come back and try to get
updated on your sports world. So yesterday, story breaks that
Sharon Moore has been fired with cause, and immediately you
start going to all right, what's happened? What scandal has
broken out? And it turns out it didn't take long

(06:46):
before we found out that he was fired because of
an inappropriate relationship with a female on the staff. Yes, now,
let that lead your brain wherever you want to take it.
They have identified who the female is, so her face
is out there, her name is out there, and then

(07:07):
there are all sorts of these rumors out there as well. Now,
before we get to the rumors, which is always a
dangerous area for a sports talk show host, the actual
information that we know is that Sharon Moore did not
take this well. He got home, his wife didn't take.

Speaker 1 (07:24):
It well either, which is surprising.

Speaker 4 (07:26):
They ended up in a domestic dispute, and then Sharon
Moore drove to another person's house, broke into the house
and committed aggravated assault and ended up being arrested. And
I don't know if he's been released from jail or not.

Speaker 1 (07:44):
I have not heard that he has been released, but.

Speaker 4 (07:46):
He was arrested, mugshot the whole nine yards And so
that's as much as we know. Noyes.

Speaker 6 (07:56):
Now, what do we read into it? Kind of read
into it that whoever's house he broke into is maybe
the person that he blamed for leak in the story
to the university. Yeah, that's really great, classy of you
to commit this and then blame somebody else for actually

(08:17):
revealing how disgusting you've been.

Speaker 3 (08:18):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (08:19):
And yet so that's kind of what they believe it.
And it stems back to the wife finding out the
information and then kicking him out. And it sounds like
Sharon more than decided to go blame all of his
mess on the person that squealed on him. That's what
it sounds like.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
That's what it sounds like.

Speaker 5 (08:36):
And obviously, yes, there will get more information and we'll
be able to then have more facts versus our speculation
on what it does sure seem like it's pointed in
that direction. He is also a father of three daughters,
so their lives have been turned upside down. His wife's
life has been turned upside down, his wife his life
has been turned upside down by his own doing, and

(08:59):
the female staffer's life has been turned upside down.

Speaker 4 (09:03):
Yeah, and it's just crazy. I mean, here you find
you reach the kind of the pinnacle of your career.
I can't imagine Sharon Moore ever thought he was gonna
have a better job than the head coach at the
University of Michigan. Yeah, and so here he gets it
and temptation leads him astray, and then his reaction to

(09:23):
this has pretty much flushed any opportunity that he'll ever
have to coach again. Not that that's the most important thing,
but we are a sports talk show host. We're not
doctor Drew here. So he's probably never gonna have the
opportunity to coach again. He's probably burned down his career
based off of his actions. Which, by the way, a

(09:45):
lot of coaches do stuff like that. A lot of
coaches do that stuff like that, maybe fewer now than
what they used to. Yeah, because of all the eyeballs
that are on them and social media and everybody's got
a cell phone. Now you probably see more less. You
see a lot less of that now than what it
used to be used to run rampant. And so this

(10:06):
is not unusual to Charon Moore that he would He's.

Speaker 7 (10:10):
Not the first fall into this, Yeah, but the reaction
to it has probably burned his entire career down and
I'm not sure.

Speaker 4 (10:21):
And then whatever he can do with his family life
to try to repair things. He's not gonna spend his
life in jail, I'll say that. But Sharon Moore has
certainly made his life worse with his actions prior to
yesterday and then his actions and then his immediate emotional
reaction to what he realizing how much damage he had

(10:43):
done to his life and to his career.

Speaker 5 (10:45):
Yeah, and now yeah, he's going to be left to
pick up the pieces. And it's crazy when you think too,
just about his head coaching position and getting that job, right.
I mean, he got that job because Harbaugh was leaving
and the program was about to be in big trouble
for cheating, and they were like, well, yeah, we're gonna
just promote you because it made sense right, why not

(11:06):
keep someone that's in house versus who's going to want
to take this?

Speaker 4 (11:09):
Well, I won a national championship. Yeah, and so like,
why would we pivot away from this? The kids like more,
he's got the respect of the clubhouse.

Speaker 5 (11:18):
Blah blah, yeah, yeah, yeah, And but also they probably
were a little worried, like, who's you know, were we
might be in big trouble, so we our coaching candidates
might be less. So we've got this successful offensive coordinator
and he and the kids. Yeah, as you said, the
kids really like him, so let's do that. So he
ended up with this job that a lot of big
names are now being you know, talked about, and wor's

(11:41):
been at any time Harbaugh big name, I mean Michigan
a big program, and he he really had reached the top.
That's one of the top jobs in college football. With
our question and yeah, threw it all away. And Michigan
could have very.

Speaker 4 (11:54):
Easily started a coaching search when the harrorball left and
ended up with a much better, bigger name and much
more proven track record, but they wanted to reward Jim
Harbaugh's choice for successor, and things were going so well
for the program despite the scandal. They were winning despite
the scandal, and so he got the position, and now

(12:15):
Michigan gets to conduct its search for a coach. And
as I mentioned, this is where it becomes local because
all the names that are being brought up have ties
to Washington. Now I've heard Mentor the defensive coordinator, But
it sounds like Michigan wants to finally separate itself from

(12:38):
the Harball regime. The previous scandal with stallions and now
the current scandal with.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
More probably makes sense.

Speaker 4 (12:45):
Yeah, so you know you're going to use your muscle
as a big name and a big brand to know,
go out there and cause all sorts of more ripples
to the college world because you know that when they
find their person, there's going to be a domino effect
because probably going to steal them from another program, and
then that guy's got to red replaced, and so here
we go again. Yep, this is Lane Kiffin all over again.

(13:08):
As a matter of fact, if I were Michigan, why
not call Lane Kiffin that Hoe will take the next
best job. Why not?

Speaker 1 (13:15):
Yeah him a little bit more?

Speaker 4 (13:17):
He hasn't. I mean, he he had a lot more
invested in Old miss than he does LSU and he
left them at the altar right before the playoffs. That
guy doesn't have a spine. He'll just go to the
highest bidder. I mean we know that. And so so
now they start their coaching search. But the names that
are coming up, and again I would just say if

(13:37):
if there's no interest on Jedfish's part, it's unfortunate that
his nomadic coaching lifestyle has led him to be brought
up his name to get dragged into every coaching roomer.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
But this is Michigan and he's been there before.

Speaker 4 (13:54):
And if this is something that's on his checklist, I mean,
here we go again, and he is oldest, over and
over and over. He laughed it off when Softy had
him on the show on the station a week ago.
You will coach at Washington next year? Yes, I will
be at Washington next year. I mean that we could
play the clip for you. That was the response from him,

(14:17):
laughing and off we last before he knew that Michigan's
job was going to be open, and so sure enough
there's his name front and center along with Kaylen de
Boor and the craziest twist of events because remember before
Kaylen de bor left here Michigan was his dream job, yeah,
not Alabama. Michigan was the one job that people had circled.

(14:40):
And I think that he had said in the past
as the only job that he would leave Washington.

Speaker 1 (14:44):
Yeah, because it was closer to where he was from.

Speaker 4 (14:47):
And so now here are both of them, and the
strangest twist of P and W fate, both of them
are the most prominent names being linked to being the
next head coach at Michigan. So here we go again.
And as I said, Ashley, I mean, on one hand,
I do feel bad if you just if you truly

(15:09):
keep getting linked to these jobs because of how much
you've moved around and you're not at all interested, but
you just keep getting dragged back in. But on the
other hand, you've kind of earned this. We did or
Troy Danon did. Hire somebody with this reputation. And the
way that the college football world right now is set up.

(15:30):
I mean these coaches, man, these college coaches, they are
soulless man. I mean, if there is a little bit
of a better opportunity with a little bit more money,
they can't wait to be treated like a king again
at the new place, because you know there are a
lot of kids that moved around when they were young,
and it was tough being the new kid at school.

(15:52):
Unless you were really handsome or really pretty and really
like a good.

Speaker 1 (15:58):
Athlete and a little end outgoing, then.

Speaker 4 (16:00):
You're the greatest thing ever, Like Elvis moved to your school. Yeah,
I know, and all the other boys sat around like,
what's so crude about this guy?

Speaker 3 (16:07):
You know?

Speaker 4 (16:09):
That's how I think these coaches. I think they get
addicted to feeling that way. Yeah, and so and so
here we go again. They're brought back up again. And
whether or not it's true whether Kaylin de Boor would
come on here and say, no, no, no, I have no
interest in that job, and it's ridiculous that I'm being
dragged in. He's being dragged in, and so is Jedfish

(16:30):
once again. So here we go, waiting out whether or
not we're going to have to start a coaching search
here in a month or.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
So, I know, which is it?

Speaker 5 (16:37):
We got Yeah, and you've got the transfer portal opening
in less than a month.

Speaker 1 (16:40):
Yeah, what two and a half weeks, three weeks, three
weeks from now?

Speaker 5 (16:44):
It's I understand why Jedfish is getting brought up, you know,
with Florida and the connection and the Steve Spurrier thing
and the all of that, and now with Michigan, and
he's been an assistant there, and I understand, but it
is frustrating as a call football fan to think like, Okay,
well we made it through.

Speaker 1 (17:02):
These things, now all of a sudden things.

Speaker 5 (17:04):
I mean, I kind of said to myself as I
was listening to one of the shows before us on
our way in and they had a guy on from Detroit.
He brought up Kaylen de Bor and Jed Fish and
he's like, those are the two options that makes the
most sense. Kaylan de Bor is not a good fit
at Alabama. It makes more sense for him to return
to the Midwest. And then he said, and Jedfish, he
can raid the Washington program and head over there.

Speaker 3 (17:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (17:26):
I got so mad because that's what would happen again.
And all I said, I said, Yeah, I said to myself,
I'm so over college football.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
If this is what keeps happening.

Speaker 4 (17:37):
Yeah, Demon Williams is we have to start a quarterback
search if this happened.

Speaker 3 (17:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (17:43):
And again, this isn't anything that Jedfish has done has
said yes, right, this is just speculation on the media.

Speaker 1 (17:49):
So I'm not saying like, oh my.

Speaker 5 (17:50):
Gosh, I hate Jed Fisher, I hate this. It's just
this ongoing speculation. And then if that does happen. Yeah,
every year one program, five programs, however, many coaches are
leaving are getting screwed.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
I mean, it's just annoying.

Speaker 4 (18:07):
And as much as we didn't like what the players
and the power that they got, it's the coaches are
the ones to blame for all of this. They're supposed
to be the adults in the room. We need to
slap rules on them. We're always trying to slap rules
on player movement. Let's slap my rules on coaches movements
so that we don't have to go through this. And
yet this is where this is where we're at. And

(18:29):
I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't find out later
today the Jetfish is the head coach in Michigan. Wouldn't
be surprised. I'm not predicting that. I don't have any information.

Speaker 1 (18:36):
Nothing surprises me these days.

Speaker 4 (18:38):
Nothing surprises you. Ye hell, I wouldn't be surprised. I
was joking about it. Lane Kiffin became the next head
coach and.

Speaker 1 (18:43):
Be surprised Kaylin de Boor will be surprised.

Speaker 4 (18:46):
Leaves Alabama to go take Michigan. I mean, all of
these things are possibilities, and then the ripple effect is
going to be felt. And then what will Washington do
if it does happen. They'll go steal somebody from somebody else,
and then that person will raid their own program and
bring all of them to Washington, and we started all
over again. So yeah, it's it's a messy landscape, there's
no question about it. And boy, we sure had fun

(19:09):
ripping the players for taking advantage of their newfound power.
I think we need to really take a look at
how coaches can move around so easily. Yea, and without
any punishment. I think that that could be. It won't be,
but it should be the next step. And trying to
make sense now of this a great game of college football.
All right, So there's a lot more to discuss. We'll

(19:31):
get to it later on in the show. Let's find
out what else was on tap?

Speaker 1 (19:36):
What's on tip?

Speaker 3 (19:38):
What's on tep?

Speaker 4 (19:39):
All right, So Sharon Moore is out at Michigan amid scandal,
and of course more jetfish rumors have popped up about
him possibly leaving Washington, and they are just rumors. There's
nobody that has any factual information on that front. In
the meantime, I guess Jedfish is getting ready to coach
the LA Bowl which is coming up. Also coming up

(20:00):
Army Navy this Saturday, and the Heisman Trophy will be
announced this Saturday. And they're sure is a groundswell of
Diego Pavia support. It feels like every analyst that I'm
hearing get interviewed is picking Pavia. Now. Whether or not
the nine hundred and fifty voters are influenced the same way,
I'm not sure. But this might not be the slam

(20:23):
dunk that we thought it was the night that Indiana
was holding up the Big Ten Championship trophy. We thought
Fernando Mendoza had locked it up. But that might not
be the case. Seahawks getting ready for the Colts this
Sunday at one twenty five. And yes, not only might
Philip Rivers, forty four year old Philip Rivers be in uniform,

(20:44):
most people believe. Most people believe right now that he's
going to start the game Sunday against the Seahawks. And
we'll talk about that in our next segment. Week number
fifteen of the National Football League season starts tonight with
Atlanta against Tampa Bay. Tampa Bay getting a couple weapons back.
Mike Evans is going to be back for them, so
is former UW receiver Jalen McMillan, and so Tampa Bay

(21:07):
and Atlanta, and of course, fantasy football playoffs start for
a lot of people tonight, so I would imagine there's
going to be a pretty good audience for that alone. Kraken,
we'll talk about this later this hour. Boy did they
need that win three to two and overtime over the
Los Angeles Kings, a late goal in regulation to tie it,
an overtime goal on a power play four on three

(21:28):
power play from Vince Dunn. It was a thing of
beauty and the Kraken get a much needed win last
night against the Kings. And the Major League Baseball Winner
meetings did conclude yesterday not a lot of activity, pretty
much zero trade activity, and yet three big free agent
signings while the GMS were down in Orlando. Yesterday's was

(21:49):
Pete Alonso signing way too large of a contract with
the desperate Baltimore Orioles, who decided we're finally going to
spend money this year and then they overspent. I don't
think Pete Alonso's worth thirty one million dollars a year,
but he is a Baltimore oriole right now. We'll talk
a little bit about that later on in the show.
But coming up next, is Philip Rivers really going to

(22:11):
get the start Sunday against Mike McDonald's defense. I can
hardly believe I'm saying it. We'll discuss it. It's Chuck
and Ashley with you Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM.
I don't know if you keep track of these things.

(22:32):
I don't know if you set your watch like your
morning routine around us in any fashion. So maybe I
don't have to tell you this, but we have blown
up the clock a little bit this hour to accommodate
the schedule of Kurt Warner so we could have them
on to talk about Philip Rivers. So he's gonna join
us at seven forty this morning. We got the roundtable
coming up at eight o'clock, and so we've got this

(22:55):
segment Ashley to talk about a few really interesting stories
on a interesting sports day from the National Football League,
and also to have a little bit of fun. Let's
play a little bit of a game here. Okay, let's
play the old man game. Oh all right, seems to
be a topic going around in the National Football League

(23:18):
right now, age and whatnot. So let's play a little
bit of the old man game old analytics if you will, okay, perfect,
I can't wait. All right, Let's start Philip Rivers. Is
there a better chance Philip Rivers leads the Colts to
a wins Sunday against the Seahawks or that he breaks

(23:42):
a hip crossing the street going into the stadiums.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
Second one second one breaks the hip? For sure?

Speaker 5 (23:49):
Yeah, I'm with you, And I don't mean that because
I just mean it because he has I don't think
he has any chance to beat the Seahawks exactly.

Speaker 4 (23:55):
That's a precisely I mean. I don't think he's going
to break his hip. He's forty four years old, for
goodness sake. I don't think I'm going to break my
I'm ten years older than Philip Rivers. I don't think
that he's going to break his hip. But I think
he's got a better chance of breaking his hip walking
across the street than he does being activated and beat.
Mike McDonald and the Seahawks defense five years removed from

(24:16):
the National Football League.

Speaker 5 (24:17):
Yeah, I mean, just think about what happened to Max Brozmer,
and he's young and nimble and then.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
Has been practicing, has been practicing with the team.

Speaker 5 (24:26):
Yeah, yeah, I just can't see him laugh.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
I can't.

Speaker 4 (24:31):
I mean, it's a great story. And I really thought
when they signed him, the idea was we're in the
playoff race. Can we get him up to speed in time?
Can we not get eliminated with Bret ripping at quarterback
or Riley Leonard hobbled at quarterback? Can we just win
one of the two somehow squeeze it out and then
maybe get Rivers up to speed for the last couple

(24:51):
of weeks of the year and we might have a
better option with him. But to thrust him right into
this game against this defense, Yeah, it seems he's all
for it, and it's a great story no matter what happens.

Speaker 5 (25:04):
Yes, and again I wish it wasn't happening against us
because I'd be cheering for him.

Speaker 1 (25:07):
But right now I'm cheering for him to get smushed
into the ground.

Speaker 4 (25:10):
Maybe maybe we're crazy. I see zero chance that Philip
Rivers I'm not saying the Colts have zero chance of
winning this weekend, but zero chance that Philip Rivers starts
and is ready to beat any team in the National
Football League, much less the Seahawks and their defense. Yeah,
all right, next, one better chance that Pete Carroll is

(25:31):
back next season for the Raiders, or that he accidentally
craps himself on the sidelines before the season comes to
a close.

Speaker 5 (25:39):
It does get very excited sometimes, the old man game. Yeah,
it is the old man game, more about more.

Speaker 4 (25:44):
About being old, more of an old joke.

Speaker 5 (25:47):
Yeah, you know what I'm gonna say, There's probably a
better chance he craps himself because I just don't think
they're bringing him back again.

Speaker 4 (25:55):
We are step for step on this. Even though I
think Pete Carroll is very youthful and is not a
risk to do that at any moment, I still think
there's a better chance he does that before the season
comes to a close, probably in a crisp pair of
white pants. Then it would be that he returns to

(26:15):
the Raiders next season. I mean, think about it. They
brought him in there because they thought they were close, Yes,
maybe not Super Bowl close.

Speaker 1 (26:24):
Also is a little delusional on their part.

Speaker 4 (26:26):
But you don't bring in a seventy five year old
head coach if you're rebuilding. Okay, they brought him in
because they felt with what they have in house, they
should be a player or two and a little bit
of veteran wisdom away from being a playoff contender. They

(26:48):
have the number one pick in the draft right now,
so they if nothing else learned this season, we have
to rebuild. We don't have a choice. We thought we
were closer than we actually are. We're the worst team
in the National Football League. We can't rebuild around a
seventy five year old head coach.

Speaker 3 (27:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (27:06):
I feel like they'd talk to anybody. A lot of
people could have told them that you're really bad. This
isn't probably the route to go.

Speaker 4 (27:14):
And I get why Pete took it and brings his enthusiasm.
Is like, yeah, I love coaching. This might be my
last chance. And sadly, I think that was your last chance.
So I certainly don't blame him for taking the job.
I think it was kind of foolish that the Raiders
thought they were that close.

Speaker 1 (27:28):
That's the foolish part profession and I.

Speaker 4 (27:30):
Didn't think they were that far away. I really didn't.
I didn't think Geno Smith was that bad. Geno Smith's
been the worst quarterback starting quarterback in the NFL this year.
It's not even close.

Speaker 8 (27:41):
He has been terrible. He has been terrible, even worse
than when Russell gets in the game. Well, maybe not
that all right, Next one, Travis Kelsey. Better chance, Travis Kelsey,
who can't figure out why he's not playing better might
be because you're in the old man game. Better chance

(28:02):
Travis Kelsey reverts to.

Speaker 1 (28:04):
His pro both Pro Bowl form.

Speaker 4 (28:09):
Before the seasons comes to a close, or that Taylor
talks him into getting a metal alert bracelet just.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
In case met alert bracelet. And I think his old
form is lung gone. I mean, did you see him.

Speaker 4 (28:21):
He seems to think he can find it again. He
just can't figure it out. Where did it go?

Speaker 5 (28:25):
That third interception on Mahomes was not on Mahomes, that
was all Kelsey.

Speaker 1 (28:29):
I mean, as he's like, well, what's the football?

Speaker 4 (28:32):
I think he's still a good player. I think the
Chiefs problem is that they're still acting as if he's
still old. Travis Kelcey, Yeah, I mean, I don't think
Patrick Mahomes is worse than what he's been in the past.
But Patrick Mahomes does not have one hundred and thirty

(28:57):
catch fifteen hundred yards from a tight end, yeah, fifteen
touchdown Travis Kelcey anymore. Travis Kelcey was so good and
so effective in his role that, yes, he did make
everybody else better. Think about how much attention you had
to pay Travis Kelcey and he still ended up killing you.
I think the Chiefs are declining because they're still acting

(29:20):
like they still have old Travis Kelcey. They now no
longer have Tyreek Hill or Travis yr This is like
Trevor Kelcey. This is like somebody else.

Speaker 1 (29:31):
He's not bad, he's that third Kelsey brother you didn't know.

Speaker 4 (29:34):
Yeah, but he's just not what you had. Yeah, And
the offense seems to they've never had a good running game.
And yet they've also had seasons in which, after Tyreek
Hill left, will find receiver. But that's because you had
this tight end who did things no weather tight end
could do.

Speaker 1 (29:53):
Yeah, and now he's not that guy anymore. He's just
a guy now, Yeah, just a normal tight end. Uh huh, yeah, smart, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (30:00):
But he's not impactful. And I think the Chiefs have
still under the delusion, well we got Travis Kelcey, we
don't need this. Yeah, that to me has been their
biggest problem. Final one, Uh and the old Man game.
I can't wait Joe Burrow retires from football prematurely or
can't figure out how to reset the microwave clock after

(30:22):
a power outage. What do you think is more likely?
I think it's had some concussion. Yeah, I might not
be aged.

Speaker 5 (30:27):
I do think it's more likely that he retires from
football early. After what he's been talking about. It seems
like he's kind of taking that Andrew luckroute of maybe
maybe I want to value the rest of my life.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
I've got all this money. I want to spend it
and enjoy my life.

Speaker 5 (30:40):
I don't need to make more, and I don't need
to get injured and spend my whole life rehabbing.

Speaker 4 (30:44):
We are in step on every single one of this.
He sounds like somebody that's like contemplating leaving, not trying
to get to another team. No, like I don't need
to do this anymore. Yeah, tired of getting beat up
and I don't want to play the game another way.

Speaker 3 (30:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (30:58):
I heard a stat this morning that he's been hit
more than any other quarterback in his career. Like for
his career, including the playoffs, he has been hit more
than any other quarterback in the NFL.

Speaker 4 (31:07):
Yeah, and part of that is his fault. I mean, dude,
Tom Brady didn't play the game that way trying to
prove to everybody that he was more masculine and physical
than everybody else. He was tough, yeah, tough as nails,
but he didn't go out there every Sunday trying to
prove he was tougher and stronger than a linebacker and
Burrow does. It's his own stupidity that has cost him

(31:29):
all the injuries that he's gone through. Partly he's had
a bad offensive line too, but you know, he's got
to be smarter. And so I think a lot of it,
not all of it, A lot of it rests on
his own shoulders why he's had so many injuries. But
he does not sound like somebody that enjoys the game anymore.

Speaker 1 (31:48):
No, definitely not.

Speaker 4 (31:49):
And I wouldn't be surprised at all if this offseason
he didn't step away from it all.

Speaker 3 (31:53):
Right.

Speaker 4 (31:53):
Coming up next, Kurt Warner's going to join us here
on the program, talk about Philip Rivers, Sam Darnold and more.
It's Sports Radio ninety three point three. Kh arfm Hey,

(32:14):
good morning, Happy Thursday to you. Yeah, messed around with
the clock a little bit here this morning, and I
don't know if you need to know that, but just
in case it's throwing you off a little bit, I
wanted to let you know because we want to be
able to have as much time as possible to chat
with our next guest. Kurt Warner is going to be
joining us here in a moment, the former quarterback, not
the former Sea Offs running back. This is the only

(32:35):
city where we have to clarify that in all of America.
I think twelve man Roundtable's coming your way from eight
to nine. So Greg Bell, Hugh Millan cannot wait to
get huge thoughts. Not that I don't want to hear
Greg's thoughts on Philip Rivers, but I've already heard them
this week. Haven't heard the QB one's thoughts on this
Philip Rivers story all week long, and so looking forward

(32:55):
to that coming up at eight o'clock. And the same
thing goes for our next joining us now on the program.
You know him from NFL Network. You know him from
the Monday night broadcast. Right here on k JR. Does
the color analyst for Monday Night football for west Wood One.
But you know him better as Hall of Fame quarterback
of the Rams and Cardinals. He joins us now here

(33:18):
on Chuck and Buck. Kurt Warner is with us. Good morning, sir,
Good morning, how are you hey? Thank you very much
for being with us. I got to know, did the
Colts call you?

Speaker 3 (33:29):
The Colts did not call me. No, I'm a little
too old for that call.

Speaker 4 (33:34):
I don't know, Philip Rivers, I mean, five years away
from the game, tell me, I mean, is this even
possible to be this? I'm not worried as much about
forty four years old, Kurt. I'm worried about for him.
I mean not from a Seahawks perspective, because it's probably
gonna benefit us. But can somebody at that quarterback position

(33:54):
be away from this game five years and in two
days get ready two days of practice, get ready for
a National Football League game?

Speaker 3 (34:04):
I mean, I can't answer that because I've never been there,
and I don't know who who has, you know, I mean,
it's it obviously sounds crazy, you know, I do remember,
you know a number of years after I retired. But
the Cardinals here, we're having some issues with the quarterbacks
and some injuries, and you know, their speculation and maybe

(34:26):
they should call Kurt. I remember going out in the
backyard and throwing the football around a little bit like
an if they call, you know, you know, will I
entertain it and all of those things. So, you know,
I kind of remember back to a few years after
being out of the league, and you know, my biggest
issue wasn't the physical part of it in terms of

(34:46):
you know, throwing a football or or being in shape.
My biggest worry and concern was the mental aspect of
you know, being able to get up to speed. So
you know, A, I could have success. B I could
protect myself from that standpoint. You know that that you know,

(35:08):
being out of the game for five years and understanding
you know, the athletes in the game and what it
takes to play at that level. You know, I mean,
to me, it would be an incredible feed for him
to come back after a week and get out there
and and perform extremely well. I mean probably even to

(35:28):
you know, to perform at an average level after that
would be pretty incredible Because I respect the game so much,
you know that even when I was considered it, you know,
it was like, man, there was nothing in my mind
that said, oh, I can step back on that field
and in the short term be the same player I was,

(35:49):
you know years ago. I just respect the game and
what it is, and you know what it takes to
be great at this level. I respected it too much
to think that I could be rate you know quickly.
You know that I think I could get up to
speed and get back there. Well yeah, I mean I
think all of us competitors think that. But that's kind

(36:10):
of what I look at here is, man. You know,
I respect Philip for giving it a shot, and you know,
for them to you know, try to uncover everything to
have success. And I think like most of us were intrigued,
We're excited, were interested. We just wanted to end at
least fairly well, you know, like that's my biggest thing
is I just don't want this to be a bad thing,

(36:32):
you know. And you know I should say another thing
that I was concerned about, you know when when I
was even just considering it, and the Cardinals never called it,
so it was never anything like like this with Philip.
But the other thing was just you know, the reaction
of your body to things that you haven't done. Like
I didn't want to be a guy that went back
out there and like you know, pull the hamstring or

(36:55):
pulled the muscle or or or hurt something, you know,
in the first ten plays of my first hit, because
my body wasn't ready you know, for a quick movement
or to take a hit or whatever that was. And
so that was another concern of mine. And so I
think that's the big concern for me, you know, as
he goes out there, I don't want it to be
you know, so anticlimacting and he comes back and he

(37:17):
gets hurt, and you know, it may be what we
all expect. And I don't want him to go out
there and just get beat up because he's just not
mentally able to you know, to handle the speed and
everything that's coming at him and the new offensive and
all of that stuff. And so I think there are
some distinct challenges, without a doubt, and you have to
respect the game enough to to just say, you know,

(37:40):
I think it will be hard, you know, for for
anybody to come back and have you know, a level
of success in such a short period of.

Speaker 4 (37:48):
Time from a personal experience, and I cannot relate to
what it's like to be in NFL quarterback. But there
was a time where and I know you're probably picturing
radio guy, just a dull boy, but there was a
time I was a pretty good shape individual and thought
that you know, you know, uh, thought I was incredibly fit,
and I decided to go out and play some flag football,

(38:11):
which I hadn't done in a while, and I, you know,
and I did well. But the next morning I could
hardly move because I was using muscles that I hadn't used,
even though I was going to the gym and I
was cardio work and weightlifting and everything else and felt
like I was in peak physical condition, I hadn't used
those muscles. So that was one of the things I
was wanting to ask you about, because it's something we

(38:33):
haven't talked that much about. I mean, just taking a
hit from an NFL player when you haven't done it
in five years, What is that going to do to
rattle Philip rivers bones on Sunday?

Speaker 3 (38:48):
You know that anytime I do things now that I
haven't done in a while, the body definitely doesn't react
the way it did when I was younger. You know,
and you know even I mean, I think there's something
to you know, like when you're used to getting to
taking hits and your body's kind of a shock absorber

(39:09):
to a degree, you know that that it's just something normal,
even though it's you know, you don't want a three
hundred pound guy ever falling on top of you. Your
body just, you know, is used to that, and it
is used to that. You know that four or that
reaction and you bounce back from it, you know, completely
different than you know, I might have somebody come up
and you know, hit me now in a pick up

(39:31):
basketball game, and you think nothing of it in the moment,
and then you know you're walking around later you're like, ash,
what in the heck happened? Because I don't remember anything
crazy happening, but my body's sore now, So yeah, I
just again, it's it's such uncharted territory. I don't think
any of us really know, And I don't really know
what Philip's been doing, you know, I know he's been

(39:51):
coaching in a round ball a little bit. I don't
know he goes out there and throws and does a
little seven on seven with it, like all of that stuff.
You to me, because again I just realized what goes
into playing this position and how fast it goes in
the details that make the great greater or that you know,
make the you know, obviously a starting quarterback in the

(40:12):
NFL have success, and so it's just gonna be it's
gonna be a fascinating experience. And you know, I will
be very interested if he is, you know, thrown out
there on Sunday, you know, against a really good football
team and uh, you know, with three or four days
of practice.

Speaker 4 (40:30):
Yeah, And that's the other aspect of the other side.
How do you deal with it? Kurt warners, whether it's
a Hall of Famer talking about Philip Rivers looking like
he's going to not just play and suit up for
the Colts, but might start on Sunday against the Seahawks.
I have a hard time believing, Kurt that Philip Rivers,
even though he had Shane Steichen's offense, that he was

(40:50):
running there with his high school team. Can't imagine he
was able to replicate Mike McDonald's defense out there on
the high school practice field. So on the flip side,
if you're a defensive coach, I mean, what are you doing?
I mean, licking your chops, no mercy, uh, getting ready
to prepare for possibly facing Philip Rivers on Sunday.

Speaker 3 (41:15):
Yeah, I mean I think, like anything, you know, you
have to you kind of temper it. But but I'm
sure people in the locker room are going seriously, like seriously,
we're you know, we're going out there on Sunday and
you know, in a critical game and we're going up
against the guy that just came off the couch and
has been out of the league for five years. I mean,

(41:38):
I'm sure that's you know, kind of the sentiment a
little bit in the locker room. Now, you never want
to disrespect anybody, especially a great player like Philip, you know,
when he was playing and in his prime. But that
has to be part of, you know, the thought process
for this team, Like as you said, you know, licking
your chops to a degree, just saying, oh my gosh,

(41:59):
you know, no way in the first game back against
Dust and our defense is this guy going to have
any semblance of success. But at the same time, like
I said, you don't want to disrespect anybody. You don't
want to book past anybody, even though it's a crazy
scenario that probably nobody in that locker room has ever
experienced anything like it before. But you don't want to,

(42:19):
you know, get over confident or kind of look past
it and go, oh, well, he can't have success. We
have no idea, Like, we really have no idea what
this is going to look like. So you want to
respect it enough that you go out and put in
the work and you perform well, you know, to have
success and not let him have success. But yeah, there's
no question. I mean, as much as we're talking about

(42:41):
it and I'm thinking about that, you know in my office. Yeah,
you know, like oh my gosh, you know, going up
again this Like what's phil up thinking right now? And
I know he said, like, you know, excited and nervous.
I mean I can only imagine, like you know, because
you know there's a part of Philip too that's like, man,
I don't want to go out and embarrass myself, like
you know at the end of the day, I mean,

(43:02):
we would all look past it and go, oh, it
was crazy anyways, And so you know, I didn't have success.
Nobody expected me to have success. But still as competitors
and these guys that have been great in this business,
you never want to embarrass yourself either, and so you know,
I know he's going through some of those emotions, and
I'm sure you know the same thing on different levels.
It's happened in the locker room up there.

Speaker 4 (43:24):
Well yeah, it's just a phenomenal story, no matter how
the result comes out. Phenomenal story. And we're getting a
little sneak preview because I can't wait. I watch you
guys on NFL Network every Sunday morning, so I can't
wait to hear you break it down further. Then. But
before we let you go in our last couple of minutes,
I do want to get your thoughts. I feel like
to be wasting an opportunity if I didn't get Kurt
Warner's thoughts on Sam Darnold and the season that he's

(43:46):
having here with the Seahawks, his first year in the
Pacific Northwest.

Speaker 3 (43:51):
I mean, Sam's I think doing a great job. I
think it's been a really great fit for him with
what you know they want to do in the way
that they're playing. You know, Sam is a gifted player,
no question, and we've seen that and it's been fun
to watch him grow and kind of come into his
own these last couple of years. But you know, I

(44:14):
love the system that they're running and how it makes
it I think easier on a quarterback with a lot
of their multiple tight end sets and running the football
and play action under center to simplify some things on
top of the other things. I mean, JSN has been incredible.
He's been a joy to watch, you know, really come
into his own and the route runner that he is
and what he's meant to Sam Darnold. But it's been fun.

(44:36):
I think coach is doing a tremendous job up there
with the defense. I think this is a really really
good football team. And you know, it probably will at
some point come down to Sam performing in the past
game against some of these good teams in the playoffs
and and can he you know, take that next step
from obviously where he was last year in the playoffs
and what he's done in the regular season, Uh, to

(44:59):
be a guy that can you know, lead and carry
this team when needed in the in the drop back
pass game. But but really love where he's at right now.
I think this has been a great fit for him,
and it's been a great start to the season so
far for for everybody.

Speaker 4 (45:13):
Else who is JSN most similar to Larry and Kwan,
Tory Holt or Isaac Bruce, which one is the most
who is he? Remind you?

Speaker 3 (45:23):
I would probably say Isaac. You know, Isaac as great
as all those other players were, right, Isaac was the
best route runner that I was ever around. His ability
to stop and start, his ability to explode out of
his cuts, the nuance that he brought to the route running,
and when I watched Jasn, that to me is what
jumps out. I mean, he's obviously physically talented and everything,

(45:44):
but his nuance and details to his route running and
how he's able to create space, you know, by by
that nuance man it to me he's the best going
right now in the NFL in terms of that aspect
of things, And so I would probably tie him. You know,
it's close to Isaac as any of those guys.

Speaker 4 (46:06):
Well, if Philip Rivers ends up being the Seahawks throwing
three touchdown passes, I'm expecting you, Tom Brady, everybody else
to be returning to the NFL by next year.

Speaker 3 (46:15):
So Jesse, I'm ten years older than that now. So
when I was forty four, I probably would have thought
I could have done it as well. At fifty four.
I am not stupid enough to think that there would
be any chance of that.

Speaker 4 (46:31):
I believe in you, Kurt Warner. I believe in you.
Stopped oubting yourself.

Speaker 3 (46:35):
I greatly appreciate that, but I don't believe in myself
at this point.

Speaker 4 (46:39):
So you need to author the second greatest American underdog
story in NFL history. Come on, now, that.

Speaker 3 (46:46):
Would be fun. If you could guarantee I would have success.
No guarantees on that in this business. So well, we'll
all enjoy it. It'll be an interesting experience, and I
know everybody will be paying attention.

Speaker 4 (47:00):
All right, Well, thanks for joining us. Great stuff. We
appreciate it, and I'll be watching Sunday. Thanks Kurt WARNERFL
Hall of Famer, former Rams Cardinals the quarterback joining us
right here on Chuck and Buck in the Mornings. Coming
up next. Well here from our QB one, Hugh Millen
haven't had his thoughts at least on the morning show
all week long on this Philip Rivers story. Greg Bell

(47:22):
of course will join us as well. It's Roundtable time
on Sports Radio ninety three point three KHARFM. All right,
final segment here, The twelve man round table here on

(47:43):
a Thursday Seahawks versus Colts. A lot of time spent
this hour on Philip Rivers, who I guess we don't
know if he's starting for sure. It just seems to
be trending that way. When Greg suggested that yesterday in
our seven o five segment, I was like, no way,
But yeah, he was onto something. He is trending towards
starting in this football game. So certainly this has become

(48:07):
a lot more interesting to a lot more people the
Philip Rivers show on Sunday. Greg, but we still have
a football game to win. Better not lose this one.
What's the key to getting this done on Sunday?

Speaker 9 (48:20):
Well, he is started stopping Jonathan Taylor on early downs
about Rivers, Jen and Wols who played with him with
the Chargers and the beginning of his career at the
end of Rivers' time with the Chargers, and he said yesterday, Ain,
no way, Philip Rivers has come out out of retirement
to sign with the Colts, get on a plane and
take a five hour ride to Seattle at Christmas time

(48:41):
to not play.

Speaker 3 (48:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (48:44):
Yeah, And so they have game planned for Rivers ever
since Tuesday when they got the news that he was
trying out. I had tried out, so they think he's playing.
Mike McDonald's game plan is that he's playing, and I
expect him to get the full Mike McDonald experience. Like
Q said, maybe even more things they haven't seen. He
hasn't shown yet in the regular season. It's gonna be

(49:07):
Nick emn worry is a five tick defensive end and
nine tech defensive end moving all over.

Speaker 3 (49:12):
The field, full meal deal.

Speaker 9 (49:15):
As we said, this is now for the first time
all season, they've got their full defense and everybody on
board and healthy. That's where the game should be won.
But they got to stop Jonathan Taylor in early down
so that it's not an easier third down situation for
Rivers on Sunday. I think they'll do that. I think
they're running defense and their front four the key to

(49:35):
their season. Continue to have a big seat, and Byron
Murphy has been an MVP for them both in run
stopping and crushing a quarterback. It's the most interesting regular
season game I can think of covering, maybe since Brett
Farve on a Monday night in Oakland the day after
his father died, and that was way back in two
thousand and three. That's probably the most. That's the only

(49:56):
thing I can even equate to this. It's going to
be a spectacle to be It's gonna be wild to
see it's unfold. It's like a Disney.

Speaker 3 (50:04):
Movie, it is.

Speaker 9 (50:06):
I think they win something like twenty four to ten
to move to eleven and three and shut set up
a Battle Royale with the Rams on Thursday night.

Speaker 4 (50:14):
I don't know what it is about the Seahawks ever
since I moved here. Maybe it was going on forever.
They never, of course, this happened to them because they
always have something interesting going on. Never seen a franchise
be more consistently interesting than the Seattle Seahawks. All right here,
what are your final thoughts getting ready for this match
up here?

Speaker 10 (50:34):
Well, I just think that Mike McDonald is finally getting
all the tools that he wants with the health of
the defense. And you know, the percentage of plays where
the Seahawks bring five plus rushers this is straight out
of the NFL stat portal, twenty one percent. That's twenty
fourth in the league. But the percent of plays where

(50:55):
they bring five rushers that results in a negative EPA
expected points average, that's sixty seven percent that's number one
in the league. So the Seahawks don't do it a lot,
but they're really effective when they do. And then you know,
they've been number one in the use of nickel in
all the NFL. They just don't play bass. But prior

(51:19):
to Emon Worry getting in the lineup, they were eighteenth
in the use of dime. Now that's they're up to fifth.
And so just the pieces I think we're gonna see,
We're gonna start to see more of those pressures as
evidenced by their their they're a great success rate, and
they've got talented blitzers. Even Worries Sony can get home

(51:43):
and and of course Witherspoon can get home. I like
the fact that they're doing a better job of containing it.
Drive me crazy how they would lose contain on They
have this unbelievably well designed blitz pressure. They get a
free runner, but then right and a quarterback is allowed
to escape out to his right.

Speaker 4 (52:03):
So I think they've kind of buttoned that up.

Speaker 10 (52:05):
I just I'm I'm just gonna grab my popcorn and
watch how this man Mike McDonald now that he has all.

Speaker 11 (52:13):
Of his parts.

Speaker 10 (52:13):
Remember now they lost to the Buccaneers. They had they
had four starters out, you know, and so you've got
an emerging The experiences is exponentially raising for emon worry
so that they feel like they can do more things.
I just can't wait for this mad scientist to unleash
for the last month.

Speaker 11 (52:32):
And it starts against a forty four year old.

Speaker 4 (52:34):
Yeah, yeah, I think, Philip, I know how gung holy is,
but I think I would have watched that Seahawks defense
film and said, how about next week? How about we
start next week?

Speaker 1 (52:44):
Right?

Speaker 4 (52:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (52:45):
Have you not.

Speaker 11 (52:46):
Acquired any wisdom in these forty four years?

Speaker 4 (52:49):
You know your football, don't you? But I get the
forty nine ers next week.

Speaker 3 (52:54):
It's not a picnic for him. A good point.

Speaker 4 (52:55):
At least he's got a week and a half to
get ready, as opposed to like two soft practices. Greg,
I think pretty convinced twenty four to ten this is
you know, this is gonna be a runaway. I'm like
forty four to three. That's where I'm at with this game.
That's what I think it's gonna end up being. And
I think it could be a lot worse. But they're

(53:16):
gonna call off the dogs. That's what I think is
gonna happen. All right, gentlemen, awesome stuff. Thank you very much,
we appreciate it. We'll do it again next week and
we'll talk to you both tomorrow. Thanks.

Speaker 3 (53:26):
Thanks for warts, two warts for all you.

Speaker 4 (53:29):
Yeah baby, yeah yeah, I figured you'd squeeze one more
of those in there.

Speaker 5 (53:33):
Ye.

Speaker 4 (53:35):
Our Seahawks inside of Greg Bell, make sure you're follow
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Millen will be back with him tomorrow at nine o'clock
for our ex'es and O segment. We do it every Friday.
Mike Sandos still to join us at nine thirty. We
were gonna play Beat Bucky today, but without Bucky here,
it's not nearly as fun. So I think it provides

(53:58):
us a tremendous opportunity. Ash and I to discuss this
Charon More firing in Michigan and how it so greatly
impacts us as college football fans and also as a
Pacific Northwest U dub fan. Sports Radio ninety three point
three KJRFM. Great morning to you. It is Chuck Bowlin

(54:30):
Ashley Ryan with a wonderful poofball hat that she's wearing
here today indeed indoors.

Speaker 1 (54:37):
Yeah, because my head got cold.

Speaker 5 (54:38):
Yeah, I had it on when I left the house
and then I got warm in the car, so I
took it off, and then I knew I'd get cold
again sitting here, because that's what happens in this ice box.

Speaker 4 (54:48):
It is a really nice hat. But out of the
corner of my eye, I thought that Ashley had bandaged
her head.

Speaker 1 (54:54):
Thought I'd probably run into a wall.

Speaker 4 (54:57):
Like in the cartoons where they immediately they hit the
and then they've got.

Speaker 1 (55:00):
A bandage on their head, all wrapped up.

Speaker 4 (55:03):
I'm like, what happened? You were just in here talking
to me, and then by the time you got back
in there, you fell, went to the nurse's office. Huh,
got a bandage head? And then we were did I
miss some time?

Speaker 1 (55:13):
And like our medical staff is excellent here?

Speaker 4 (55:15):
Yes, yeah, we lacking a lot of areas here at iHeartRadio.

Speaker 1 (55:19):
But no hr medical staff though.

Speaker 4 (55:23):
They will swaddle your head with no question about it.
All right, nine o'clock hour, Man, We've had a lot
on the philip Rivers today thanks to Kerr Warner, thanks
to Hugh Mellon thanks to Greg Bell and Mike Sander
is going to join us at nine point thirty to
talk more about that as well. But there's another big
story going on out there, one that's kind of shook
the foundation of college football once again. For the actual information,

(55:48):
Sharon Moore, the head coach at Michigan who took over
for Jim Harbaugh following the National Championship game, Well, he
was there for two years and he won't be there
any longer. Yesterday he was fired. It was a surprise,
and it was with cause I almost even felt at
the time like Michigan feels two years into this that

(56:09):
maybe Ohio State's getting too big of a lead over them,
and they're like, we need to get one of these
big guys now. And then they kind of concocted some
story to try to get Sharon Moore out so they
didn't have to pay him. But no, there's substantive reason
for why they let him go. We don't know all
the details, and I'm not going to go as far

(56:30):
as speculating, but what we do know is an inappropriate
relationship with a staff member and that led to his dismissal.
And then Sharon went home to a wife that had
heard the rumors, and there was a domestic situation that
took place, and before the night came to a close,

(56:52):
Sharon Moore had committed not just breaking and entering, but
also aggravated assault charge as well. So he went to
someone's house. People are reading into it as maybe the
person that snitched on him.

Speaker 5 (57:08):
Yeah, I've heard that, or the person who he was
having the relationship.

Speaker 4 (57:12):
Maybe maybe one or the other. Maybe that is the
case as well. But nonetheless, he ended up after getting firing,
being arrested and is still in custody. So obviously some
pretty serious charges. Somebody as famous as Sharon Moore with
that kind of money usually is out of jail by now,
but their charges are serious enough that he is still

(57:33):
in custody right now. So I think that probably ends
the portion of speculation that we need to do because
it is affecting us here in Washington, and one hell
of a twist. Many immediately the names that have come up,
and I thought when I first heard the names that

(57:54):
they were part of a long list. You know, this
is one of the most coveted jobs in football, certainly
in college football, and so I knew that the speculation
immediately would kick in and the story would come a
lot more about even though it's a fantastic story, people
are going to be a lot more concerned about who's
going to replace Sharon more than the future of Sharon Moore.

(58:16):
And so I thought initially what I was hearing when
both Kaylan de Boor and Jedfish were being listed was
they were part of a large list.

Speaker 5 (58:27):
Yeah, these would be great possibilities, like five or six.

Speaker 4 (58:32):
Yeah, maybe ken to twelve. Yeah, not one to two,
not the entire list.

Speaker 1 (58:37):
Yeah, that list sucks.

Speaker 4 (58:39):
Because by the time I woke up this morning, it
was only Kaylan de Boor and Jedfish and also Mentor,
the defensive coordinator there at Michigan, young guy with a
really bright future. But really, the speculation is that there's
no way that the Jim Harbaugh era is continuing at Michigan.
This is now the second scandal that has been involved

(59:01):
with Sharon Moore, and so they believe they want new blood,
and not just any old new blood. They're gonna want
a huge name in college football because they are losing
ground to their rival Ohio State and others here the
last couple of years. So that said, I wake up
this morning too. Who's going to be the next Michigan

(59:21):
head coach? Kaylin de Boor or Jedfish You've gotta be
hitting me and that's it.

Speaker 5 (59:27):
Yeah, I mean I was listening on the way in
and there was a guy from Detroit talking and he said, well,
de Boor, you know, it's he's not a good fit
at Alabama and he'd be better, but he wants to
go back to the Midwest. And he was sounding like
someone who really, you know, is aware that Debor might
not be happy or I mean, he doesn't look happy.

Speaker 1 (59:44):
He looks happier, but not happy.

Speaker 4 (59:47):
He doesn't look like he doesn't look like he looked here.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 5 (59:50):
And and then the other one was or but Jedfish
and then they can just raid Washington's program.

Speaker 1 (59:55):
I was like, come on now, man.

Speaker 4 (59:57):
And that's what will happen.

Speaker 1 (59:59):
And that's what's so about college football these days.

Speaker 5 (01:00:01):
It's like it's already hard enough to be a college
football fan of a team that really there's no loyalty
anymore because you can't get attached to a player, you
can't get attached to a coach. But if every couple
years you're just having to start all over. And I
understand nowadays with all the ni AL money, it can
happen fast, But I don't know. It's just my love

(01:00:21):
for college football is has been declining in the last
couple of years, and if this happens again, it's gonna tank.

Speaker 4 (01:00:28):
I've heard that a lot from people, and I understand why.
I mean, number one, you liked college football and we've
gone through such massive changes. Yeah that that already was
shaking you at your core. I mean, we're not even
in the conference we use, right you, college kids are
getting paid money. That's that's unfamiliar. Bowl games are going

(01:00:51):
the way of the dinosaur at this point. So there
are a lot of things that people loved about college football,
the purity of the sport, all of those things that
they talked themselves into. But it was the foundation for
lifetimes a fandom of the college football product. And and

(01:01:13):
you know, and I have spent a lifetime loving college football.
And now we also have had these ripple effects of
things that we didn't see coming. Like, Okay, we've managed
the nil. Turns out it wasn't as bad as what
we thought, or at least that's the mode we're in,
right now who knows how it twists and turns. We

(01:01:34):
managed the bowl games, this college tournament pretty cool and
it is adding quite a bit to the daily conversation
during the college football season. But there have been other
things that were unforeseen, and you know, the transfer portals
turned in a little bit to free agency, which people

(01:01:55):
can moan about it. And yet it is any attention
is good attention. You always heard that in Mark in class.

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
That's what they say.

Speaker 4 (01:02:01):
The product's flying high. Yeah, the interest is flying high.
So even though I'm hearing more and more people say
that they're that is this is all testing their college
football fandom. Apparently it's gaining a lot more fans that
were just casual fans. Well because the drama, the players shuffle,

(01:02:22):
the coach shuffle, the going from bowl games to a
tournament shuffle, has brought in a lot of eyeballs, and
it not only has not affected the product. The product
seems to be better than ever. Doesn't mean that it's sustainable,
because it does seem I'm with all the people that
are soured and turned off a little bit right now.
I understand it's chaos right now. And whenever you have chaos, yeah,

(01:02:46):
it might feel good for a while. Meal may feel
like it's working for a while, but if you don't
get that under control, it could crash and burn.

Speaker 5 (01:02:55):
Yeah, and that's I think that's the biggest problem is
that it's you're getting all these fans, like you said so,
but at the expense of I think the loyal fans,
the ones who have felt that allegiance with the school
for decades and have been asked for money, you know,
and have been paying for seat upgrades and getting you know,
you get asked, oh, make this just speaking for Washington,

(01:03:18):
you make a taiee donation. Now maybe you get a
better seat, and you've been doing this for years and
years and years and years, and then the product itself,
the loyalty to the program that you felt is gone.
So you're just kind of I think it's turning more
people into the casual football fan, whereas like, yeah, I'll
tune in on a Saturday to watch the big games,
in the big matchups. But as far as Husky football,

(01:03:41):
I mean, I have season tickets right now. I went
to two games this year and part of that is
because of a schedule.

Speaker 1 (01:03:47):
So but what am I gonna do?

Speaker 5 (01:03:49):
Am I going to keep paying for games where I'm
and supporting the program. That doesn't feel the same when
I can only go to two games because of the schedule,
like and not the football schedules, saying like life schedule, yes,
and so no, probably not because why would I keep
giving money to something that when.

Speaker 4 (01:04:06):
Your interest and love for it is is waning?

Speaker 5 (01:04:09):
Yeah, And so I'm in this place now where I'm like, well,
do I want to give them that money again? Or
do I just want to maybe say, Okay, you know what,
maybe I'll go to an away game, or maybe I'll
pick one game and just spend some money on one
game ticket versus a whole season.

Speaker 4 (01:04:24):
Yeah. Well, I think that a lot of these things
are great for college football. I think that we are
heading in the right direction. And I think even the
Dieard fan, even the Cam Cleland who misses bowl games,
once we get the playoff set and maybe we can
figure out a new way to play bowl games than
what we have had in the past. I think we

(01:04:45):
need to move on from the idea of you know, oh,
it's great to see these seniors all playing one last
game together. What are you talking about? You know, they're
like two of them that have been here all four years.
We don't need to hold onto that. Yeah, but so,
but I do think that there's a way to hold
on to the Bowl feel, even though it won't look

(01:05:07):
anything like it used to, and the college football tournament.
As we start iiring out some of these wrinkles, I
think that college I think you'll follow. I think you'll
follow that road. I think maybe you even get used
to transfer portal and going from Oh, we lost everybody
at once, but we got a lot of new guys
coming in. That's kind of like free agency, and everybody

(01:05:28):
loves free agency and professional sports. So I think that
even though you might not think you like it now,
I think you could stay on board with it. Where
where your point to me is loud and clear is
the coaching changes and then that and how it affects
the transfer portal.

Speaker 1 (01:05:46):
Yeah, no, I agree.

Speaker 5 (01:05:47):
That is especially to if we go through it again
and again. This isn't Jetfish coming out and saying he's
gonna leave or anything like that. This is no fault
of Jetfish right now, other than his past history shows
that he's moved around a bunch.

Speaker 4 (01:05:58):
Yeah, he's going to be involved in these in these rooms.
But what what's what I don't think that fans like
you that are already starting to feel like disassociated with it,
what you're going to be able to deal with is
the coach, because the coach puts all of that other
stuff in motion. So to me, it's time to make

(01:06:19):
these hold these coaches feets to the fire and this
world that we live in where we're finding it perfectly
acceptable that you're at a job Kaylin de boor that
you absolutely love, that everybody there loves you, and because
you don't get along with the new athletic.

Speaker 1 (01:06:39):
Director who liked you is already gone.

Speaker 4 (01:06:42):
If you just waited, you had more power than he did,
if you would have just waited. This always seeking some
place where I'm sure it's going to be even better. No,
when you find great, you better latch onto it. Yeah,
you know that that is a bad way to live life,
and for Lane Kiffin to keep doing it and it

(01:07:03):
always ends up blowing up in his in his face.
Uh and and even Jetfish same message to you, Bud,
Like you know, I hope you are serious about staying here.
And and yet if he does leave, you're right, he's
going to raid all of the program. Yeah, and he's
going to take Demon Williams to Michigan with him, and

(01:07:25):
he's going to take half of the roster. And then
guess what the follow up move has to be. If
you're Washington, Well, we got to hire another head coach
because we just lost our coach and half our roster. Yeah,
so now we got to go hire another head coach
and then raid their us. Sorry, sorry about it. We
now raided your roster. Yeah, that has to be stopped.

Speaker 1 (01:07:44):
It feels dirty.

Speaker 5 (01:07:45):
And we talk about too that, Like, you know, we
spent the last couple days talking about players moving and.

Speaker 1 (01:07:50):
Things like that too.

Speaker 5 (01:07:52):
And I just think it's interesting that the idea is in,
you know, in a way to stop the players from
moving is to sign have him sign a contract. Well,
contracts clearly don't mean Diddley because look at all the
coaches who have signed contracts.

Speaker 1 (01:08:04):
And then more of money comes in and then.

Speaker 5 (01:08:07):
They're like, oh, never mind, we'll just buy you out
and you can we can fire you, or we'll just
pay more and you can leave and we'll deal with
your buyout. So contracts in college football especially mean Jack squad.

Speaker 4 (01:08:18):
And I think that that is where I would start
because I think, like I said, all those other changes
will get accustomed to. Yeah, and I think that will
that most of us, not all of us. Most of
us are gonna like it better once we iron out
all the wrinkles. But there's no way to continue to
like this. There's no way we can do this raid

(01:08:38):
and replace kind of existence that we're living in college football.
It's it's nonsense, and it all starts with greedy coaches.
And so I think rules are going to have to
be put in place. I think college coaches need to
be held to the standard that players used to be
held to, the standardays to be held to. And if
it's so important for you to leave, players can now

(01:09:00):
leave if they want during the transfer portal year to year.
Let's not allow coaches to do that. If it's so
important to you to get to an even better program
where you're sure the grass is even greener than the
green grass that you say you love, and I've said
for years you love beneath your feet, But you've got
to get to that next one because that's fourteen dollars more.

(01:09:24):
And and it's also, oh gosh, when I get there,
I mean, when it rains, it rains, skittles, and there
are rains. Yeah, there are rainbows that shoot out of
all of my orifices every single morning. I mean before
it's heaven. You know, if that's the mentality constantly and

(01:09:45):
it never stops, make them sit out of here. If
that heaven is what you're sit out of here without pay?
Do you want to go now? And I'll let you
leave if you've got one year left on your contract,
and if they can't negotiate an extension, or you don't
want to negotiate an extension, we'll let you leave because
nobody wants to be in that even program can't exist

(01:10:07):
in that one year of is he going to be
here or is he going to not be here? You know,
you know, you don't even want to deal with that
as an administration. But I think that if we could
put in place like colleges can't hire somebody, if they
do hire somebody that's under contract with another, then they
have to go with an interim for a year, and

(01:10:28):
then they have to sit out a year with no pay.

Speaker 1 (01:10:30):
Yeah, and then just curb it.

Speaker 4 (01:10:33):
I'm not saying get rid of it, just curb it,
because you're right, I think, what more than anything else
that has changed, if you continue to put college fan
bases through like always worried that their coach is leaving,
and then once he leaves, he's taking how much of
the roster? And then who do we have to steal away?

(01:10:54):
And then we got to learn a completely new roster,
and then we got to give that coach a year
to get adjusted, and so we're not going to hold him.
Just that to me is unsustainable. That's what's going to
chase away more college fans than anything. Even though right
now none of you are getting chased away. You can
say you're getting chased away, but you're not getting chased away.

(01:11:15):
And the ratings suggest that. But if you go through
that experience enough, Ashley, I do see. I can feel
it in you.

Speaker 5 (01:11:22):
I'm not going to put up with this much longer,
right and I mean for me to be even considering
that we're not renewing our Husky tickets, yeah next year,
that is a big deal. We have had them since
Mark and I started dating, so this is and I
grew up with them with my dad, Like, this is
a big deal. And I just think, you know, as
far as nil, I have no problem with I want
players to get money for their name, image and likeness.

(01:11:43):
But what has happened to nil has? It's out of control. Well,
but where we are, we haven't trying to rain that in.
We do have rules.

Speaker 4 (01:11:51):
I don't know if it's going to work, but they
at least have implemented rules, and then maybe we can
start bringing some order in chaos. But until you start
telling these coaches you just can't leave every year because
you can make six dollars more and get your ass
kissed for a year on campus until they turn on
you and then you want to leave again. Yeah, that
has to get under control, and shame on all of them.

(01:12:13):
Shame on all of them. You know this grass is
greener approach? How did you not enjoy your How are
you not enjoying your life?

Speaker 1 (01:12:21):
I know you got a pretty good one.

Speaker 4 (01:12:22):
How do you only enjoy it unless your ass is
getting kissed as the new guy on campus for one year?
That's all you can go. You're asking your players to
commit to you for four years and you can't go
more than a year without. Ooh, maybe I don't want
to be here anymore. You know, I saw the janitor
in the hallways and he wasn't very kind to me today.

Speaker 1 (01:12:39):
He didn't he wasn't super pumped to see me.

Speaker 4 (01:12:41):
Yeah, after spending this in the last three years, ripping
on kids and their lack of loyalty and the coaches,
they're setting the standard more so than anybody.

Speaker 1 (01:12:49):
Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. I just the whole thing
is I don't like it.

Speaker 4 (01:12:53):
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Speaker 12 (01:13:12):
You sure you're prepared to go one on one with
me today without your partner?

Speaker 4 (01:13:16):
Yeah, I'm more than prepared, even though you will, for
the first time be covering a quarterback older than you
on Sunday.

Speaker 12 (01:13:27):
I wish I wish I was younger than Philip Rivers.
We're all making fun of him for looking like he's,
you know, a little heavier, but yeah, he's probably a
super elite athlete compared to the rest of us.

Speaker 4 (01:13:39):
How I mean, where does this rank in the craziest,
most unexpected stories of your career?

Speaker 12 (01:13:46):
It's definitely it's it's up there. I mean, I think
to be out for five years, you know, it's funny.
I think of this did happen once before. You know,
the the nineteen ninety eight Falcons team, which our good
buddy Robbie Tobeck was part of, did have Steve de
Burg come back after five years out.

Speaker 11 (01:14:06):
But they weren't really counting on him.

Speaker 12 (01:14:08):
They went to the Super Bowl, they weren't really counting
on him to get him there. So I think it's
totally wild, but I get it. They're desperate. I think
that their options are limited.

Speaker 11 (01:14:17):
I'm sure they're trying to.

Speaker 12 (01:14:18):
Do outter things. My question is, where's Ryan Tannehill and
all of this? Wouldn't he want to come out of retirement?

Speaker 4 (01:14:24):
Cam Newton wanted to Cam?

Speaker 12 (01:14:26):
I just I tweeted that I think recently he's throwing
his very stylish hat into the ring stuff that it's
a different hat. He got a better hat to throw
in the ring anybody else.

Speaker 4 (01:14:36):
I mean, does he have. I kind of get it.
If the Colts are like, hey, we got four or
five games, we're in playoff contention right now. If we
can just maybe steal a game in the next couple
of weeks with Rippin, and let's sign Rivers now and
maybe by the last couple of weeks of the year
that we can get him up to speed and he
will be better than what Brett Rippen will be. But

(01:14:57):
to sign him on Tuesday and have him play against
Mike McDonald's defense on Sunday, I mean, Mike, is there
any chance he's going to have any level of success
on Sunday?

Speaker 11 (01:15:09):
I don't think so.

Speaker 12 (01:15:10):
I think the best thing they could do would be
to string it along a little while. I think it's
a move that well, yes, they could. You definitely use
a quarterback.

Speaker 11 (01:15:17):
I think it. You know, you're kind of showing your
locker room. You get a little energy.

Speaker 12 (01:15:20):
Hey, Philip Rivers out here, you got some hope. I
wouldn't want to have that hope go away in one
week when he gets, you know, helped off the field
limping because he pulled a hamstring or something.

Speaker 11 (01:15:31):
I think I would do. I would keep him in
the queue here for a week or two. It's unfair
to send.

Speaker 12 (01:15:36):
Him out there against Seattle, a top two or three
defense in the league on the road. I mean, that's
just a recipe for failure to really have a bad
game where he could get hurt. So I think I
would totally have him come along and be saving this
thing up. You're not going to get eliminated this week, right,
and maybe then you could get something out of him
after a week or two of practice.

Speaker 4 (01:15:56):
Crazy, just a crazy story and you had fun. I'm
here for it, front Row, get to the popcorn. Let's
just like it.

Speaker 12 (01:16:03):
Like you know I can remember. You know, this is
a long time ago. But like one time in the eighties,
Jim Brown was on the cover of Sports Illustrated, like
at age forty eight, and it last played in like
the sixties, like he was gonna come back with the
Raiders because he was talking smack about all these running backs,
these these soft guys of today who we now look
back on as the hardcore guys, these soft guys of

(01:16:24):
today stepping out of bounds. Frank O Harris, let me
put let me lace him up again. And he got
on the cover of Sports Illustrator, But he never came
back because he would have looked terrible.

Speaker 4 (01:16:32):
Yeah, right.

Speaker 12 (01:16:33):
Will Chamberlain allegedly they were trying to bring him out
of retirement. He was allegedly like dominating against Magic Johnson,
and pickup games.

Speaker 4 (01:16:41):
I don't know about all of that, but you know,
seven foot two, you probably could fill a role like
playing quarterback in the National Football League five years after
you retire. That just seems like too large of a
hurdle to clear.

Speaker 12 (01:16:55):
Yeah, put that only got one for a visual Take
his mug shot and put it next to Brady's age
forty four buck shot. I mean, they're different guys. One guy,
you know, he's that annoying guy who's like at the
gym at age fifty and somehow looks like he's twenty.
And the other guy looks like, you know, you should look.

Speaker 4 (01:17:12):
Like you should look. Yeah, and he's very likable. I
mean his press conference was fantastic talking about his weight
and everything else. But yeah, well, yes, mac them around.
We don't have any choice. I can't wait. It's going
to be like a Rottweiler on a pork chop. Coming
up on Sunday, Mike Sando is with us our NFL
insider from the Athletics. A lot of other things going

(01:17:33):
on as well. Did you get the sense that Joe
Burrows comments this week a bit cryptic, like almost he's
feeling like he might not play football? Anymore.

Speaker 12 (01:17:42):
Yeah, I think he gets that way. I did see that.
A part of me was like, don't you just sort
of have to, you know, be the energy source for
your team too here.

Speaker 11 (01:17:53):
You know, and maybe he is that on game day.

Speaker 4 (01:17:55):
Yeah, your team's bad because you haven't been there for them.

Speaker 12 (01:17:59):
Yeah, and their defense too. I mean, I think, you
know how much of this is maybe I shouldst this off.
But in past seasons, you know, I've kind of run
the side by side snapshot of him and Carson Palmer.
You know, they kind of both have lived this Cincinnati
experience one way to the other. And now Joe got
paid a ton of money and I think that was
part of the issue with Carson Palmer. But still it

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it gets discouraging after a while. I think he's just
in a different place with the injuries what there are
on defense, and it did everything they could to win
the game last week and still couldn't win it. He
had a great game and it didn't bounce their way.
So I agree, I think he's sort of got to,
you know, pull that together by the end of the
week and be the source of energy, not the source
of gloom.

Speaker 4 (01:18:38):
Chief's done.

Speaker 11 (01:18:40):
Yeah, I think they're done. This year for I think
they're not going to make the playoffs.

Speaker 4 (01:18:44):
Yes, what about like like done, like they need to rebuild? Done,
or well they'll make a couple of adjustments and be
right back next year.

Speaker 12 (01:18:54):
I think it'd be the second one. I think they'll
definitely make some adjustments. I have felt like it could
actually help them to miss the playoffs if they're not
going to be a team that goes all the way
or goes deep, just because it does force you to,
you know, make maybe some changes you wouldn't make otherwise.
When you feel like you're close, when it's proven you're
not close, like by not making the playoffs, I think.

Speaker 11 (01:19:14):
Then you need to.

Speaker 12 (01:19:15):
There's some more soul searching goes on, and I think
that could be good for them.

Speaker 4 (01:19:19):
Rams play the Lions this week. Fantastic matchup and man,
that Stafford golf trade. Have you ever seen a trade
benefit more teams more than what that one did.

Speaker 11 (01:19:31):
It's it's tough to have a win win like that.

Speaker 12 (01:19:33):
I think they were both perfect for each other at
a really critical important position. I mean, how many quarterbacks
for quarterback trades have there even been, let alone guys
who end up becoming you know, getting new contracts with
their teams being winning playoff games. It's it really was
a great trade. It's funny you mentioned Burrow, you know,
being down and out. I think Stafford was at that
point in the trait where he's just kind of like,

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all right, I've been here enough, you know, let me
go somewhere else.

Speaker 4 (01:19:56):
And I wonder if something similar could happen. I mean,
you use that as the proto type the Golf Stafford trade.
If Cincinnati would say, hey, if we can get a
franchise quarterback in return, because usually these things are we
trade our franchise quarterback for seventeen draft picks and rebuild.
But if Cincinnati could get a trade in the off

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season where we're going to trade you for another you know,
like Jared Goff, like a good, We're gonna trade it
great for a good and then you throw us a
bunch of draft picks in addition, maybe that's something Cincinnati entertains.
If in fact, Joe Burrow is still wants to play.

Speaker 12 (01:20:33):
Yeah, if some people have touched you in the league
had kind of predicted it could go down that path
at some point, I think the perception of Golf was that, hey,
he was kind of this, you know, appreciated asset so
to speak. Right, if we're going to use an economic
type of a term, So who would that be? Who's
like still good? But you know, is perceived to have

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run his course in a certain place. And off the
top of my head, I I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:20:58):
Know, I rammed Arnold in a first for Joe Burrow,
would you do it?

Speaker 11 (01:21:04):
Uh?

Speaker 12 (01:21:07):
Yes, yeah, what I was thinking about this? You just
cut me off af guard. But what about now? What
about like Caleb Williams? Oh, you know what if Ben
Johnson wanted to play with with Burrow and they said, hey,
we'll give you let.

Speaker 4 (01:21:25):
We like our guy.

Speaker 12 (01:21:26):
But yeah, but I mean that's no offensive journald. But
I mean Burrow has been a top tier guy.

Speaker 5 (01:21:30):
You know.

Speaker 11 (01:21:30):
I do think the injuries are concerned with him mm.

Speaker 4 (01:21:35):
Hmmm yeah, but yeah, Caleb Williams is a better example,
like a young quarterback that's controllable that Cincinnati could have.
And then you probably throw in a little bit more.
I like that thought, all right. Thursday Night Football Falcons
Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Are the Buccaneers going to hold onto
this division? Or not?

Speaker 11 (01:21:52):
God?

Speaker 4 (01:21:52):
I don't know.

Speaker 12 (01:21:53):
I don't know if they are there's something wrong. They've
they've really uh you know, they they've fallen off. I
think some of it is deffinitely their injury situation. But
what's Atlanta. You know, Atlanta is a team. Yeah, they're
They're a team that really needs to show something late
in the year too, to avoid a bunch of huge changes.
That might be the best thing for him anyway. So
I think it's a desperation game. I'm kind of oddly

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intrigued by it in that sense. And the and they've played,
I think they've played. Last year they played, didn't they
play a prime time game that was wild and overtime
or something? Yes, ye, may we get that.

Speaker 4 (01:22:22):
I just Cousins was in that game and actually was
his only good game last year.

Speaker 12 (01:22:26):
Yeah, so may maybe he can have another good game.
But I think it's more of a curiosity than a
good matchup.

Speaker 4 (01:22:32):
All right, all right, man, Well, thank you very much.
Enjoyed Philip Rivers on Sunday. And if he's successful, I'm
going to try a comeback.

Speaker 11 (01:22:41):
Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:22:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:22:42):
I didn't know you have to, Oh, thank you. I
haven't played quarterback junior or in high school, but I
will make a comeback. That is what they call, is
there like some Super eight video of that mobile color?

Speaker 11 (01:23:00):
Let's being color.

Speaker 4 (01:23:01):
Let's put it this way. There's a lot of hands
handing off the ball, not a lot of throwing in
southern Illinois in the late eighties. I'll tell you that.

Speaker 12 (01:23:08):
I'm going to try to find that video. I'm gonna
have to find that video, but I do think it's
probably film. It's probably just spice together.

Speaker 4 (01:23:15):
Drawings, drawings of me old book.

Speaker 1 (01:23:19):
You just have to flip it fast.

Speaker 11 (01:23:21):
Flip the fast book.

Speaker 4 (01:23:22):
That's thank you for your insults, Mike. We'll talk to
you next week. We'll see all right, Mike sand Or
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