Best of Show 12-22

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I thought one thing we could do here in a
short little segment is celebrate ken Walker and kind of
the big game that he had. Now a lot of
times with a running back, I feel like you're talking
about a big game, like twenty carries two hundred yards.
Well he didn't get twenty carries. He got eleven carries
and and you know what, he have three catches for
another sixty four. But a big game, I mean big

(00:20):
game and a couple of game changing moments and that, Hugh,
did you see anything different about him or did you
see something different about Clint Kubiak and how they got
the ball to him?

Speaker 2 (00:33):
Well, I would say, yeah, how they got the ball
to him on the screen pass that forty six yarder
in the.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
First Yeah, they should do that again.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
Yeah, well they faked the boot and then which is
faking the stretch to him and then he kind of
has to be a little bit of an actor slowdown,
like hey, you know, I don't really have the ball,
and then you're faking Sam brawled out out to side
and then a kind of a what's turned off.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
The throwback screen?

Speaker 2 (01:01):
That was a perfect play design, great call at the
time you get down inside the redsid and you score
a couple of plays later. The touchdown that he had
at the beginning of the third quarter, that's a play
called duo left. It's a twelve personnel, two tight ends
with the one running back, you're going over the left

(01:21):
guard and you're trying to get a double team there.
So as he goes over the left guard, nice block
by Sindell coming off his perfect timing. The motion had
kind of jammed up the Rams defensive line and the
defensive line who should have been in what's called the
B gap between the guard and the tackle. He on

(01:44):
Bradford kind of tried to jump back into the A gap,
which exposed the B gap. So here's Keneth Walker. He's going, oh,
here I go left guard. What am I seeing? And
then oh no, I'm gonna go off right guard between
right guard and right tackle. And then Cooper Cup the
scheme of we talked about in the summer how Kubiak

(02:05):
likes to have his reduced formation. So so Cooper Cup
was very close to the ball and from that alignment
he was going to try and block not the corner
but the safety. So fundamental football from a Rams perspective
is that corner has to stay outside and not lose
outside leverage. But he sucks in too far into the

(02:25):
middle of the field, and that allowed Walker to bounce.
But here's the part about it that those of us
who are Kenneth Walker advocates are, it's it's your Every
time you give the ball to Kenneth Walker, it's a
roll of the dice that he finds that crease and
then he's the guy who can finish it. He's the
guy who can put the ball in the in the outfield,

(02:49):
like into the to the into the bleachers. That guy
can hit the home run. And you know, the four
to three to five speed that he had coming out
versus Charbonnet was four seven I believe.

Speaker 3 (03:04):
I mean, that's a difference.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
There's the reason why they take a forty times and
he can just break that down. So and then they
threw a Texas what's called the Texas route, a little
angle where he starts to the right, comes back into
the middle of the field, caught a nice thirteen yard
for completion. And then and then now you asked me,
was there something different that you remember the draw at

(03:26):
the end of the second quarter on third and seventeen
that he got eighteen third and sixteen.

Speaker 4 (03:31):
Was it.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
That that run was just an incredible effort by him,
incredible display of contact, balance and will to get that
first down. And now Seahawks ended up getting fumbled with cup,
so they didn't get points out of it. But you know,
he certainly was at his best and had his high

(03:56):
best game in the number of years.

Speaker 3 (03:58):
Yeah, that was kind of a funny moment, I thought.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
I mean, typically third and sixteen, it is kind of
all right, live to fight another day, try to punt
the ball, and yet they ended up handing that draw
and the crowd booze, and then he runs for one
more yard than they need and then the crowd cheers.

Speaker 3 (04:14):
It was pretty funny.

Speaker 4 (04:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
And that angle route or whatever you call it an
angle route, well.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
Some people call it an angle route. Texas, Micha would
call it a Texas all the West Coast. A lot
of West Coast offense disciples out there, John Grew, you know, yeah,
Andy Reid, you know it. You know it's called the
Texas route or whatever. I used to kill my little
brother with that on Madden Football.

Speaker 3 (04:39):
Oh Texas. Oh yeah, yeah, he'd.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
Always blitz his middle linebackers and I just throw it
right behind him.

Speaker 3 (04:44):
I don't know why Clint Kubiak hasn't right.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
Well, you call that when what's called the hook zone defender,
which is a lot like a second basement or shortstop,
and that those hookszone defenders when they're trying to widen
out real fast to cover the tight ends, and they're
they're to carry you out the analogy, the gap between
the source up and the second baseman get wider than

(05:07):
it should. That's when a play callers should call that
Texas Rock.

Speaker 3 (05:11):
Yeah, that makes sense, makes sense.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
Get them running towards sideline, and then boom, he puts
a swoot in the ground and goes back towards the middle.

Speaker 3 (05:16):
It was good play, a good game, you know.

Speaker 1 (05:18):
I think everybody's hoping to see more of that because, yeah,
the potential's there. I don't know if he gets caught
in the backfield uh and just doesn't get doesn't have
a chance to see that crease that he could possibly
exploit or what. But hopefully there's more where that came from.
We'll dive into more of ken Walker and what we
saw and what we're hoping to see in the future.
On the other side, we're gonna have Greg Bell and

(05:40):
some headlines, So stick around here at Sports Radio ninety
three point three KJRFM.

Speaker 5 (05:46):
The season in the balance, golf fires, get the one
he didn't get across, but there are flags down, pulls
up in the hayward he goes across. Did they have
a whistle for?

Speaker 1 (06:00):
There's so many things on this level that I just
saw could be offensive pass interference?

Speaker 3 (06:04):
Actually, and then they actually did score. When did the
whistle get blown? Oh? Too much for me? You go ahead, Jim.
This is like the two point play in Seattle the
other night. Yeah, exactly what's going on here? Let's hear
the call right here? What a major call? Willie on
the field is professional. However, I got a heard number

(06:26):
fourteen on the offense.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
My rule that penalty is not enforced and there is
no replay, the game is over.

Speaker 4 (06:37):
No whoa OPI number fourteen the gates the penalty, There
is no.

Speaker 3 (06:44):
Replay, The game is over. Wow.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
Welcome back to Sports Radio ninety three point three KGRFM.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
I am Buck. There is no Chuck.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
We still have Ashley and we got Hugh Breed Love
in for all four hours.

Speaker 3 (06:57):
So Merry Christmas to you.

Speaker 1 (06:59):
You all have been good apparently that highlight we just
heard there was the end of the game the Steelers
Lions game last night. Crazy the Goaters, as the breed
Love likes to call it. Yeah, probably probably could have
announced it a different way, and I think unless he
just wanted to get them excited, I mean kind of
a crazy the whole PI offensive PI, defensive PI, Like

(07:23):
they don't call a bunch of defensive pis and then
sometimes they call the tiki tak ones and then the
offensive pis don't happen.

Speaker 3 (07:30):
A whole heck of a lot. I had read somewhere
last night.

Speaker 1 (07:33):
The Lions have two times this season with an offensive
pass interference in the final like thirty seconds of a
game that ended up costing them, and that hasn't happened
to any team in the history of the NFL in
a single season.

Speaker 3 (07:45):
I mean, it is what it is. They ended up
getting a PI earlier.

Speaker 1 (07:49):
In that drive that I was unforethd down that they
would have never gotten to that point hadn't have been called.
So you know, I typically don't say one one call
costs you the game. There's so many things that happened
over the course of sixty minutes, but that one was
nuts where am On Rod goes out there, basically runs
right into Jayden Ramsey, kind of knocks him off balance,

(08:11):
cuts back out. Then they stop him basically the one
and I would have thought that they blow the whistle
and it's ford progress stopped, and yet they don't.

Speaker 3 (08:22):
He gets pushed back four yards or whatever.

Speaker 1 (08:23):
Then laterals it and golf picks it up, jumps in
HND zon looks like the game winner or a game tying.
It would have been the game winner, game winning touchdown,
but we saw the flag even before the You saw
the flag come out for the offensive pass interference before
the latteral even happened. But yeah, then the refs come
out and announce it like it was a touchdown on

(08:44):
the field. The crowd goes wild, but there was offensive
pass interference, so the touchdown didn't count and obviously offensive
penalty to end the game.

Speaker 3 (08:51):
There is no next play like it would have been
if it was a defensive.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
Well, it probably was offensive pass interference, but we've seen.

Speaker 3 (09:00):
We've seen more not get called in that regard.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
And there was some flopping going on by Jayalen Ramsey
who was in the slot at the time. And then
and then on the game last night, there was a
passing apferance that was not called defensive passing afference, that
was not called the receivers getting tackled.

Speaker 3 (09:20):
The ball's halfway.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
To its target and he's already getting tackled, and they
don't call that passing afferance.

Speaker 3 (09:27):
So I just asked you, do.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
You think that there their eyes are better equipped to
see that if they were chasing goats all week, or
if that was the twentieth game that they did, because
they worked, they were full time officials, and they did
virtual reality at a game sped up by twenty five
or thirty percent, so that when they actually got arrived

(09:50):
on Sunday.

Speaker 3 (09:51):
Well, they said, wow, this game feels slow because they've trained.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
Their eyes to be faster, just like you have in
a batter's box, just like Edgar Martinez has described with
one hundred and fifty mile an hour tennis balls coming
at him and how that helped him.

Speaker 3 (10:05):
See, I mean, it's just.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
You're appreaching of the choir. You're appreaching of the choir.
I'm not a giant fan, but then again, I think
anybody that plays sports typically has a like there's a
negative feeling. Even though I respect them, and it's not
an easy job. I think they're just a negative feeling
because everybody that's played has gotten screwed over by an
official or a referee or an umpire or whatever it is.
And yet I would think the NFL, the biggest in

(10:31):
all of the land when it comes to sports, would
have full blown, full time officials that are doing all
kinds of training, like you've said before, virtual training where
they're sped up and you've got to try to do
it at a one point five rate that's going to
make you better. I've done the thing that you're talking
about with Eddie Martinez with one hundred and fifty mile
hour tennis balls. You slow that thing back down to

(10:51):
ninety five and it looks like a beach ball coming
in there. You can see every single seam on the
ball because your brain is a pretty amazing thing.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
Virtual reality is is done in the military, is done
the race car drivers, is done with pilots. I mean
there are simulators that are multi you know worth, We're
tens and tens of millions, probably over one hundred million
now of simulators for.

Speaker 3 (11:13):
Pilots like.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
You have a chance you could have every official other
than the head referee. Every official should be under the
age of thirty five because your eyes go first, right, yep.
And they should be flat belly, in incredible physical shape.

Speaker 3 (11:29):
And they and if they spent the.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
Entire week training their eyes to be fast, that they're
not gonna be perfect, but you could improve their their efficiency,
probably triple the quadruple just by having them full time officials.

Speaker 3 (11:44):
I'm with you, I'm with you.

Speaker 1 (11:45):
Well, you know what we we typically do headlines here
to start this segment. We're gonna go ahead and say
that that suffices as headline because now we're gonna get
to the one and only Greg Bell.

Speaker 3 (11:55):
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Speaker 3 (12:18):
G Rag. How you doing. How was your weekend?

Speaker 4 (12:21):
Good morning? It was it was quiet, it was family,
it was watching a game or two. It was unique.

Speaker 3 (12:29):
Yeah, there were it was good. No flights back to
Southeast Alaska that you had to worry about. No, it
was great. You go for a bike ride or a hike,
or you did something to benefit your body. I'm sure.

Speaker 4 (12:42):
Actually what did I do? I did some weightlifting and oh,
bike riding, Yeah, I did a little bit of that.

Speaker 3 (12:47):
Well, good for you. Yeah. Are the kids back for Christmas?

Speaker 4 (12:51):
Yeah? They are? And that was great and that's what
made it really. We went and saw It's a Wonderful
Life Yesterdays showing up on Capitol Hill at the Northwest
Film Festival and white, all the black and white. Of
course the original it was we do it. It's a family
tradition here. We do it every Christmas. We get all
the bells and friends that want to come and family friends.

(13:14):
And it's such a great film. I mean, agreed, man,
the just reminder of what's really important. I highly recommend
for all the Christmas movies. People ask me what Christmas
Mooh you watch It's a Wonderful Life? Is it reaffirming? Okay,
this is what's all about.

Speaker 3 (13:31):
All the bells, all the whistles, everything.

Speaker 7 (13:33):
That's all I could think when you said.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
That, Ye's so that's what I was thinking to Well,
good I'm glad. I'm glad the whole fan's back, and
you're gonna get to enjoy Christmas.

Speaker 3 (13:42):
That's the way it's supposed to be.

Speaker 1 (13:43):
Well, a early Christmas present, I suppose for the Seahawks
was the Thursday night game. And I don't know for
sure if anybody would have even asked Santa for a
game like that necessarily, but they find themselves in pole
position for the division, which seems like it's probably going
to be pole position for the number one seed at
this point. At this point, did they get to the

(14:05):
rest of the weekend off? And when do they get
back to work because there still is some work to
be done.

Speaker 4 (14:09):
Yeah, there is. They're back tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (14:14):
Let's today.

Speaker 4 (14:15):
They're back today, but they won't be on the field today.
McDonald gave them Friday, Saturday, and Sunday off. It's the
great advantage of the Thursday game is the mini bio
comes on the backside. They are going to do it
differently this week. They're going to have their meet today,
they'll have practice on Tuesday and Wednesday. Then they're going
to take Christmas Day off, unusual for an NFL team

(14:36):
for a Sunday game to haves Thursday off into this
Christmas and Mike McDonald is a big believer in the
family and being with family Friday, they'll come back to practice,
then leave after practice to go to Charlotte for the
game against Carolina on Sunday. That Carolina game is one
of the bigger ones the Panthers have had in a
long time. After them beating the Buccaneers yesterday, they're playing

(14:57):
for the NFC self titled that'll be the four seed
whoever wins the South, which is pertinent to the Seahawks
because if Seattle loses one of the next two games,
in particular, if they lose at San Francisco, they go
back down to the five seed. It appears if San
Francisco and the Rams keep winning, so as great as
that Thursday night game was, they're not done yet. The

(15:20):
Seahawks have worked to do here. The San Francisco game
is setting up as the NFC West title game if
the Niners can win tonight at Indianapolis and then beat
Chicago next week, which is of course no state of complete.
The Prayers are playing really well the Packers either night,
but if whoever doesn't win, the NFC West is going

(15:41):
to slide down the five and play the winner of
the NFC South. So all of this stuff, the Panthers,
the forty nine ers, and they could all come back
together again in a couple of weeks. If the Seauks
don't win the division, they could be at Carolina to
begin the NFC Wildcard playoffs. So yeah, as great as that,
when was Theorks aren't done yet? They still got work

(16:02):
to do.

Speaker 3 (16:03):
What injury updates do we know from Thursday?

Speaker 4 (16:06):
Well, Nicki o'lory Hugh cleared percussion protocol at the stadium
and Mike McDonald's said that had the Rams got in
the ball back, they of course never going to because
they're going to go for two no matter what. But
even wore he could have played the end of that
game if there was one more defensive series. But as
of the weekend, they were still tried to find out
how bad the knee injuries are for Reek Willing and

(16:28):
Kobe Bryant. It didn't sound well. After the game, McDonald
said it doesn't sound season ending for Kobe Bryant, but
left unsaid. So far is their availability for this weekend?

Speaker 1 (16:39):
Yeah, well that's good news. Was there anything? Well, as
far as the tackle goes. Josh Jones filled in admirably.
I would imagine it was a cross his injury one
that people should worry about him possibly not being back
this weekend.

Speaker 4 (16:56):
Possibly the hamstring. We talked about this last week. Hamstrings
this time of year, it's an injury that you'll want
to get bring a guy back too soon for him
because then you miss him for the rest of the year.
So I would think he would be one who doesn't
practice this week or much practice, and probably be a
questionable by the end of the week. But yeah, that

(17:17):
Charles Cross injury of hamstring injury when now that the
sex have clinched the playoffs, they've got to think longer
term here on whether they want to bring him back
right away.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
All right, go ahead, Yeah, yeah, I'm curious how Mike
McDonald feels about the game. And in the following sense,
you could argue that if there's a matchup between Sean
McVay and Mike McDonald, and there's been three of them,

(17:47):
because we're going to.

Speaker 3 (17:47):
Exclude the Week eighteen JV.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
Game from a year ago, McDonald got the best of
McVeigh in last year's Loom and Field matchup. I mean
there were seven to three announced by the Rams. McDonald
got the best of McVeigh down in Sofi earlier, you know,
one hundred and thirty yards and the lowest total yards

(18:11):
output one hundred and thirty yards passing, and then the
lowest total yard output in that game. But then Thursday night, paradoxically,
certainly McVeigh got the best of McDonald when you consider
the you know, closest six hundred yards and what have you.
Does McDonald have any comments about any adjustments that he

(18:36):
plans or does he take any kind of you make
any comments like whoa, I got my ass handed to me?
I know McVeigh said that about Belichick and the Super
Bowl that they low the Rams lost a few years back.
Any fallout to the defensive kind of collapse that was
there for much of the game.

Speaker 4 (18:58):
Yes, well, both mcdone donald and Ernest Jones said that
the problem was and I asked both of them why
five hundred eighty one yards? They said the main problem
was miscommunication between the third and the second levels in
pass defense and the pass rush not getting home like
it had been. He McDonald went into the game thinking
he could do what he did to the Rams last month,

(19:20):
and most of the rest of the league is get
his front four to affect the quarterback enough where he
could cover with seven, and they didn't do it. The
Rams mostly blocked the front four to give Stafford time
for deep breaking in routes. How many times did we
see Pooka Naku in his two hundred and twenty five
yards catch the ball over the middle behind Ernest Jones,

(19:42):
the mid a linebacker in front of the safeties and corners,
and it was that area to feel that. Jones and
McDonald said they had some miscommunications time and again. So
I asked, what changed when you had the three consecutive
three and outs in the fourth quarter of the defense
subtly an uprising after giving up six hundred yards, and
they said it was meshing and getting that miscommunication done

(20:05):
and the quarterback having to get off the snot the
other thing, get off the ball quickly. The other thing
Letter Williams pointed out was we stopped Kyrien Williams in
the fourth quarter so that the third downs were longer,
so that the pass routes were longer. And as Mike
McDonald said, you can't straight rush the quarterback on third
and two. It just you can't do it he gets
the ball out too quickly, but on third and nine,

(20:27):
Stafford had to hold the ball. They were a lot
more third and eight and third nines in the fourth
quarter because of their stopping Kyraen Williams, who ended up
only with seventy one yards. Williams seventy one yards are
rushing Williams. It looked like he was going to start
the game getting two hundred yards on the ground the
way he was breaking off eight to nine yard runs
on first down. So the shorter third downs caused Dafford

(20:48):
at the wait longer and the pass ruts got to
him more effectively, and thus the passes weren't nearly as
accurate and the over the middle got short up. But
you can bet the Panther this week with the Bryce
Young the Niners. Next week, Kyle Shannon is gonna have
brought pretty probing the middle deep middle of the Seahawks
secondary behind the linebackers, and the question will be whether

(21:11):
the Seahawks can get to the quarterback and affect him
before they can wait on those longer breaking in routes.

Speaker 1 (21:17):
Gee, I mean looking at this point in the season,
I mean this is not I don't think you start
talking about sample sizes, you kind of know who everybody is.
Everybody's shown their cards to some degree, and yet across
the NFL will stick to the NFC in general. But
across the NFL it doesn't seem like there's any clear cut,
you know. I mean, we've seen in recent years where
Kansas City Chiefs look like the undoubtable team to beat,

(21:39):
or this season, I think the Rams have been in
that the Seahawks have been in that conversation. They're the
number one seed at this point in time. Are they
the most feared team in the NFC or is there
someone matchup wise that they should worry about?

Speaker 4 (21:53):
Did the Sea Auction worry about Yeah? I think the
Sea Oction worry big about the forty nine ers. They've
still lost seven of the last eight, and they should
also worry about the Rams. And there's a good chance,
especially if they both keep winning, that their Rams and
Seahawks could be the NFC title game. We'll find out
the next couple weeks whether that game would be in
Seattle or LA. But the Rams just put five and

(22:15):
one up on them, and the Seas have lost seven
and last eight games of the forty nine Ers, so
including this week this year at the beginning of the season,
so until for the notice, they've still been conquered by
the forty nine ers, and they're going to have to
beat San Francisco in week eighteenth to win the division
and get the one seed. It appears unless the Niners
and Panthers both just fall on their face, and the

(22:37):
Niners and Rams, the should say both just fall on
their faces the next two weeks. So that's my point
at the top. They aren't out of the woods yet,
they aren't even out of the division yet. And if
they don't win the next two games, they're on the road,
and we've talked about what the pass would be three
straight road games and where they'd have to go through,
and so they in a sense would be giving back

(22:59):
what they gain by losing by beating the Rams the
other night if they lose one of the next two games.
Kyle Shanahan and San Francisco and the line of scrimmage
in particular have owned Seattle. Defensive and offensive lines have
just owned them for better part of half six at
least half a dozen years.

Speaker 8 (23:18):
Now.

Speaker 4 (23:19):
It sounds like I'm just rain clouded this whole segment.
But the point that the Seahawks got to on Friday
was man that last night. That game was unbelievable and
we celebrated it, but we're not done. The way to
nature this league is you knows is it's wow, that
was great? What's next? And I think this is really
beneficial to the Seahawks to have the weekend off. There's

(23:42):
a natural reset here to get over that game and
enjoy it. And now they have a natural reset where
they'll go light physically today and get going again tomorrow
and Wednesday toward the Panthers. But they would have had
a harder time both physically and mentally, had this been
a normal five six days between games to go to Carolina.

(24:03):
They are really going to benefit from getting it just
decompressing this past weekend. And when I say they were off,
they were completely off. I mean it was like gone fishing.
Sign hung at the Seks headquarters. Coaches were home with family,
players were home. That is going to really help them
by the end of this week.

Speaker 3 (24:22):
Yeah, I'm with you.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
It's going to be interesting to see how they respond.
Obviously after such an emotional win on Thursday, and yet
now you got the Panthers coming, and I mean you
got to take them seriously.

Speaker 3 (24:34):
They're they're fighting for their division.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
And you know, this is a team that's been swept
by the Saints this season, and yet just a couple
of weeks ago beat the Rams, and so interesting, to
say the least, how they're going to come out against
a team that some people might think could be a
trap gam or a little bit of a letdown game
after what they had. But I appreciate everything you did. Uh,
and we'll talk to you again tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (24:55):
Okay, Greg, all right, happy, weel thank you.

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Speaker 3 (25:42):
I don't know how much you listen to our show,
but that is the goosebump. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (25:47):
Factor is something that we talk about on a regular basis.
It's big games or just moments on the show they
give me goosebumps. That is one of them right there.
That it's some serious. That was a good one right there.
Third day, Okay, Spotify, I know it. I'll be listening
to on the way home. Good stuff right there. I
wish we could just sit and listen to it the
whole time, but we do have some stuff to get
into and we don't have a whole ton of time.

(26:08):
We only got about five minutes. And yet I think
you're the perfect guy to ask your connection there. Over
the weekend, Kenny Dillingham, the Arizona state head coach, signs
a five year extension seven and a half million a
year to stay there. Now he's begging some alum to
write him a check for twenty million dollars. See how
that works out, Kaylin de Boor, I think there was
already conversation last week, and we discussed it in our

(26:29):
first segment the Kaylin de boor Alabama. That whole thing
them winning, I would think kind of cools the conversation
of whether or not he would be interested in going
or is still in the running for it. He's kind
of made it sound like he's not interested. Then again,
you don't know for sure what that means, because coach
speak is coach speak. Jed Fish has done his best

(26:51):
to say I'm focused on here, I like what I've
built here, or whatever, but he hasn't came out flat
out and said I'm not going anywhere, and so where
is how how much is your radar going off with
all of the extenuating circumstances and the fact that Michigan
a place where he has been connected to before, he's
been there before, how much is your radar going off

(27:12):
about possibly jed Fish being interested in that?

Speaker 3 (27:16):
Well, I.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
Have no doubt that he's interested. Jed Fish is interested.
I think there's some issues with Jaden Delore and some
of the issues at Arizona that may prevent Michigan from
having enough interest that ultimately he would get the job.
But there is a report. When you consider the credibility,

(27:38):
I think it is it creates for news here, it's
newsworthy for University of Washington fans in my opinion, and
I have and these are the sources you have to know.
A guy named Ben Dagra d O g r A.
He was what's termed a co head of the Creative
Art Agency with Tom Condon. And if you're an NFL fan,

(28:00):
you probably heard of Tom Condon. He represents Peyton. He
represented Peyton Manning, Eli Mannings, Drew Brees, Matthew Stafford, Matt Ryan,
Alex Smith, Sam Brad Like. At one point he was
the highest guy guy. So they they went in Tan
together then and he Doagra had RG three, Adrian Peterson,

(28:24):
Patrick Couilliams, Mario Williams, a lot of people you've heard.
They brought in a guy named Jimmy Sexton. If you're
a college football net fan, you know who Jimmy Sexton is.
He has seven of the top ten coaches. And so
there was a point where a portion of the fee
that Jimmy Sexton was getting was actually going to Ben Dagra.

(28:46):
I mean, that's the relationship. And Jimmy Sexton has Nick
Saban Kaylyn de Bord, Steve Starkeys and Lanekiff and James Franklin,
Kirby Smart all right, So so that that would be
some of the credentials that might lend to credibility. As
something spoken from Ben Dagra. This is from Newsweek magazine.
Now Newsweek obviously has been around a long time. You

(29:08):
make your own assessments about their credibility, you know. This
is the online version. This is what Ben Dagger was
willing to go on record to say to Newsweek about Jedfish.
He said, he said, I think the guy that that
they Michigan will hire is he's Jetfish. Excuse me, and

(29:31):
I'm just guessing. I don't know is j Jedfish from
Washington quote. I know for a fact that he's been
looking for another job. He wanted the Florida job and
did and did not get it, and he's very very
very interested in the Michigan job.

Speaker 3 (29:52):
End quote. That's three varies. So I think that that.

Speaker 2 (29:57):
Is a news story. Well I don't see news story,
but it is a story if given again the credentials
of the man who said it. So I don't have
any doubt in my mind that Jetfish wants the Michigan job. Yeah,
and if he was offered it, I think he would

(30:18):
take it. And so you know, where does that leave Washington.
We'll see, We'll see does Michigan offer him the job.
I mean at some point, I don't know how far
down the.

Speaker 3 (30:30):
List you go. USC went four down to get Pete Carroll.
He was a fourth choice. So at some point they
might say Jeff Fish huh right, yeah, and so that events.
What's your reaction to that?

Speaker 2 (30:46):
If you if you if you heard that about Dan Lanning,
that that guy who was who has had business ties
with Jimmy Sexton, who is unquestionably the main broker of
college coaches, and nobody can dispute that fact that he
would be willing to go on the record and say

(31:08):
Dan Lanning is very, very very interested in the Michigan job.
And then you know, look, you're not going to parse
every word and hold people to every word. But he says,
I know for a fact, for that fact, Fish is
looking for another job.

Speaker 3 (31:26):
Yeah, I don't think you.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
I mean, yeah, there's people that stir stuff up, and
it's unfortunate if you're a coach that genuinely is like,
I don't want to go anywhere, and yet you're just
your name is added to the list because of your
resume and because of where you've been and and all
of that stuff. It's unfortunate, and yet it's kind of
part of the job. So you're going to just have
to deal with it, the fact that to you, I

(31:50):
don't well the sniff test to me when I everything
I've heard Jedfish say has been without a doubt stopping
short of the line of I'm not going anywhere. I mean,
Dan Lanning has came out and said, I don't want
to go anywhere. I flat out used to have, in
my opinion, a kind of set of steps that I

(32:11):
wanted to go to. I want to be a head coach,
and then I wanted to go to the NFL, and
I wanted all this different stuff. He basically came out
and said, now that's not to say that I don't
take that as gospel written in stone, but it's more
it's it's more of a stern answer. I think that
a lot of people look to see if the grass
is greener on the other side of the fence, and
the grass.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
Is really darn green here in Eugene, he said, grass
is really green in Eugene.

Speaker 1 (32:35):
Yeah, so that's not saying there is nothing ever that
would take me from here. Well, so I don't even
think you can say that, but it's close. It's much
closer than I'm happy with what we got going on here.
I've put a lot of time and money into things
and tried to bring this program up, and yet he's
always stopped short of I'm not going anywhere, and understandably so,
because I don't think. I think that's when you get

(32:57):
in troubles when you tell your fan base I have
no that I want to go, and then a week later,
or two weeks later, or two hours later, you jump ship.

Speaker 3 (33:05):
Now you've you just lied right to everybody's face. You
don't have to do that.

Speaker 1 (33:08):
I think the proper way to do it is just
give kind of short ended questions that don't necessarily have
a firm, definitive stopping point.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
My summary, Ashley would be, you know, first of all,
Dan Lanning has made a stronger commedy. He goes he
was on a national radio and he said, what's the
chance you're going to take the job?

Speaker 3 (33:28):
He goes zero?

Speaker 2 (33:29):
All right, So he Landing has been willing to make
those kind of pronouncements.

Speaker 3 (33:34):
So guess what.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
None of what he has said is binding whatsoever in
any arena, not an illegal arena, not contract, nothing, and
so he can say whatever he wants if he wants
to take another job. He said, well, you know, that's
what I was. That's what I thought then when I
said it, and it's enough of that. And then he's
on you know, Lane Kiffin, you know, hey, that's what
I thought then, and now I'm the head coach at LSU.

(33:56):
Jetfish is basically, if you summarize and says, hey, I
really like Washington.

Speaker 3 (34:01):
I think we've got a bright future. That's it.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
But uh, but the idea that that you know, here's
a guy that ostensibly is connected and he's and he's
saying that, here's a guy that Fish is very very
very interested in the Michigan job. That's a story for
Washington fans. It's a story for Washington fans. I mean
that quote and the one right before it. I know

(34:24):
for a fact he's been looking for another job. I
mean to come on record and say that is that's
not something that people here in Seattle should can just overlook. Yeah,
so all right, we got to get to a break
here we got Mike Sando on the other side of this,
so stick around here.

Speaker 3 (34:38):
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Speaker 1 (34:54):
Is that the song like back and Yellow buc and
that is that similar?

Speaker 3 (34:58):
But it's not?

Speaker 1 (34:59):
Okay, Yeah, let's say Sandos got there. Yeah, like he's
a fair he's not a favoritism guy. But anyway, that
would be that would be very Pittsburgh if you if
that was his song that he was coming into. Well, anyways,
welcome back to the program. We got another couple of
hours here with Hugh and and Chuck's on vacation, so

(35:19):
I don't know for sure. I've taken this as a
Christmas present that I obviously was good. Sando, you're gonna
back me up on that that, uh, you don't have
to talk to Chuck today and you get to talk
to you Millan.

Speaker 3 (35:32):
Hey, you know I.

Speaker 8 (35:33):
Love Schuck, but it's great to throw you and there
we go back a long ways and we do on
the sideline together watching practice and stuff. So I always
enjoy hanging with you. It's good.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
Yeah, and we're nerds enjoying the uh, the nexus of
data crunching and football.

Speaker 3 (35:50):
Right.

Speaker 8 (35:50):
Oh my god, Mike, we've GPT. Makes it too easy
to you. You and I could have a separate conversation.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
Yeah, indeed, Well we'll we'll carry it on. But I'm
going to just hit you right now instead of leading
you to a story. What's top of mind from from
for you coming out of the weekend.

Speaker 8 (36:09):
Well, I mean went into it with obviously the big
Seattle game, but I thought Jacksonville showed something yesterday and
you know, exposed a little bit of Denver's defense. So
I think that's kind of been a fun year that way,
with you know, some of the usual suspects not there,
you know. And that's why that's why it feels like
there's so many Coach of the Year candidates, because that
awards all based on like what was expected versus what happened,

(36:31):
you know, and they're just a lot of things that
weren't expected as fully. And I thought I thought Jacksonville
flexed pretty good in the in the afternoon game yesterday.
They really handled Denver and Denver's defense just doesn't look
that good to me lately. So I thought that was
a big takeaway from yesterday.

Speaker 1 (36:48):
Well, me being a big Bronco fan, I'm unfortunately I
agree with you that the defense has looked suspect and
kind of capable of being picked apart by some short passing,
and then yesterday they they compounded that with some poor
tackling after they weren't having guys covered and and so
what is it that you're seeing with them in particular
that is making you kind of feel like maybe this

(37:10):
is a paper tiger.

Speaker 8 (37:12):
So since week eleven, they're the twenty ninth rank defense
and EPA per play that no one knows that you know,
because you sort of get your own recognizance. We know
they're a good defense. They've been good, but Jacksonville's number
one since then. So to me, there was a big
difference between how they're playing lately. The tackling, for sure,
is part of it. I just also think that Denver
has been a fine team, but they've they've just not

(37:35):
been a really top team. Even though they've won all
the games in a row. There their point margin, you know,
per victory during their win streak was the lowest for
anyone who's ever won that many games in a row.
So it's great to win those games, but when you're
winning it, like Kansas City found out last year, when
you win all the close games, it doesn't last forever,
you know. And I think that Denver's just been masked

(37:57):
some of their issues by just happened to have pulled
out a bunch of games. You can't keep pulling out and.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
In that division, Kansas City, how how much do you
see turnover there? Like what kind of changes do you foresee?
Would you say it's gonna be major changes or is
it simply hey, let's get Mahomes knee right and do
what we've always done.

Speaker 3 (38:24):
Like what do you say?

Speaker 8 (38:24):
I think they got to be Boulder. I think they
have to be a little bit of a Boulder team.
You know, they've had the Mahomes magic bullet here, and
it's been enough to even when they didn't have a
good defense, or even when they didn't have great receivers,
you know, they would still wind up kind of either
in the championship Game or the Super Bowl anyway. And
I think when that happens, it's easy to just keep,
you know, coming back somewhat the same. The times that

(38:45):
they've really reacted strongly was when they got embarrassed.

Speaker 4 (38:48):
You know.

Speaker 8 (38:48):
I think that happened to them with their offensive line
against Tampa Bay and the super Bowl. They came back
with basically a new line. You know, last year they
got blown out by the Eagles and the Super Bowl
to me didn't make you know, the big moves. But
I think you've got to look around that division going Okay,
I mean the Chargers are just sort of playing their

(39:08):
fifth and six tackles and they've won eleven games. Uh,
you know, Denver looks like they're going to be at
least a paint in the butt for you know, for
you So I think they've got to. I think they've
got to. You know, they may get a top ten
pick this year, so that could help them. But how
do you use it? How do you maneuver around? Can
you get multiple players?

Speaker 3 (39:27):
Right?

Speaker 8 (39:27):
I think we've seen Seattle do that nicely, and they
traded DK Metcalf, they got him and worry out of it.
You know, they've they've been you know, making the Shaheed
type moves. I think they've got to get more active
in Kansas City and not just take that passive income
of Patrick Mahomes.

Speaker 3 (39:43):
Oh yeah, one hundred percent. It does. They did not
look good, uh yesterday, That's for sure.

Speaker 1 (39:48):
And yet I don't think anybody necessarily expected them to
coming off of the fact that they got eliminated for
the first time and Mames is on the sidelines and
whatnot in the NFC. Uh, you know, at this point,
basically the Seahawks sit in pole position kind of controlling
their own destiny. They earned it in the way in
which they came back in the fourth quarter on Thursday.

Speaker 3 (40:09):
Would you, right now, would you put the moniker on
them as the best team in the NFL?

Speaker 8 (40:16):
Yeah, I think I think that's fair, you know, I know,
do I think that they if they played the Rams
three times they would win two of them. I don't know,
maygo they might, but I feel like the Rams are
right there too with them, I don't think, you know.
I mean, they were up thirty to fourteen on Seattle.
They picked them off four times in the game before,
So I think that one's going to be decided a

(40:37):
third time, and I like Seattle's chances. It'll probably be
in Seattle. But I don't think it's like, you know,
unanimous best team in the league. I think they're up there.
I think I think Jacksonville has made a move to
get into that realm as well.

Speaker 3 (40:52):
Let's stay close to home in that regard. You know,
if I had.

Speaker 2 (40:56):
An MVP excuse me, Coach of the Year vote, let
me say that again, Coach of the Year vote, I
would look at the playoff teams and I would say,
there is there something conspicuous about the challenges that had
to be overcome with injuries? Particularly is there something at
the quarterback position? And the forty nine or nobody has

(41:17):
had to deal with injuries, including at the quarterback position
like Kyle Shanahan, and it's just crazy.

Speaker 3 (41:24):
You feel like they're at some point they are.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
Going to fall off. They have not fallen fallen off.
They could still be the number one seed. What do
you make of down there? And who who should be
year front runner for Coach of the Year.

Speaker 8 (41:38):
Yeah, I mean if the forty nine ers, you know,
win and get to eleven wins here, I mean, I think,
you know, that's important for the Kyle Shanahan campaign, and
I have pretty much thought it would. You know, Vrabel
was probably the most deserving simply because when they came
into the season, a lot of people were thinking of
them as a bottom three or four team in the AFC.

(41:59):
So they've been and you know, right near the top
or at the top. I think that would be my
probably my favorite. But here's the thing about the forty
nine ers I've heard about this last week. They are
a touchdown better per game on special teams and that
is a huge, uncontrollable thing. Like where you're making your kicks.
They've made like their first twenty five field goals of

(42:21):
the year. The other teams are missing. There's a lot
of hidden stuff in there that helps you win these
games when you've got guys hurt. So I feel like
at various times this season they've sort of had two
of the three phases going well enough to win. And
if that special teams thing goes away, I think I
think they'll have a hard time winning. And so that's

(42:43):
my only thing in the back of my mind is
like when you're a touchdown better than you were last
year in those plays because you're never missing field goals,
your opponents are missing some you know, some of the
return game stuff. I think that stuff comes and goes
a little bit. So I think it's prop them up
a little bit and doesn't take anything away from Kyle Shanahan,
but like that's a huge factor and we saw it

(43:04):
for the Rams. They're at the other extreme. They're like
a bottom five special teams teams there, and that's that's
the only way they can lose. When you're up thirty
to fourteen, you have to have a touchdown drive on
a return that doesn't take any time.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
Mike Sander with us, Mike, you Andvite we've compared notes
on Excel and crunching numbers, but special teams doesn't always
get people's interests nor mind. But you just made a
hell of a comment there that the forty nine ers
are getting a touchdown a game advantage in special teams?

(43:37):
How do you arrive at that? Just like, yeah, illuminate
our listeners.

Speaker 3 (43:42):
What does that mean?

Speaker 8 (43:44):
So the way you can measure that is that basically
there's an expectation for which team is going to score
next and how many points on every play? Right, So
if you have apa so if you have first down
and goal at the one yard line and and you
punch it in, you know that that one play doesn't
give you the six points, right because because first and goal.

(44:06):
Anyone's going to score from there. If you have a
score touchdown from your own one yard line, I mean
you might the EPA might be a you know, ten
or twelve point swing depending on the down and distance
on it, just because that's six.

Speaker 3 (44:19):
Do you know pick six last year was like negative
twelve twelve and a half.

Speaker 8 (44:23):
Yeah, right, So if you are so on special teams,
the way that works is, you know, if you uh,
let's just take this the Shaheed return against the Rams,
that play added about five plus points to the expectation
and that goes in the special team's column. So that's

(44:43):
a five EPA play. We all understand that. I mean
because when you're getting when you're getting that, when they're
learning up to punch and you're gonna get the ball
with decent field position, that probably carries some expectation for
scoring on your next drive, right, I mean, maybe it's
a point or two, but when you run it all
the way back in, it's like, that's five points and
that goes directly to the special team. So we can
parse it out that way. And when you do that

(45:03):
on a play by play basis, you get some real
extreme things. By the end of the year where the
Rams are super bad and the ford Nits are super good.

Speaker 3 (45:11):
Well, the last year actually number one for a few
weeks ago when the Rams were thirty second.

Speaker 8 (45:18):
Yeah, and so you know what does that mean, Well,
it means Shahid returns it for five points you weren't
expecting to get. And you know that. To me, the
special teams component is sometimes it is a reflection of
like your overall mentality or your roster. Like I feel
like the Legion of Boom era Seahawks. You know they
had Earl Thomas and Trichia Sherman playing on special teams.

(45:38):
You're you're just kicking button. That's pretty sustainable to be
an awesome special teams group when you have a lot
of guys like that that are Hall of famers or
you know those guys playing on special teams. But for
most teams in this day and age, a lot of
it's driven by the kicker. And we know, we all
know that if your kicker goes cold, you're screwed. You
just get a new one. There's no coach who comes
out to practice and says, hey, keep your left farm

(46:00):
straight in the backswing right, and then you get fixed.
These guys go off the rails and you don't hear
from them again, and then they come back and they're
hot for a year.

Speaker 4 (46:07):
Right.

Speaker 8 (46:07):
So the forty nine ers get Eddie Panero after they
use a third round pick on Jake Moody and he
bombed out. They'll ride Panero until he becomes Jake Moody, right.
And so that's the volatility of this and that's what
the Rams are at. They're kicking. They're kicker right now.
You know, They've got a guy that they brought in
through the year. He looks like Craig Tarrell out there,
you know, playing for Seahawk fans, you know. And it's

(46:29):
just like that's the nature of special teams for most
of these teams. Now, Seattle does have a little bit
of a I think Seattle's got some kind of vinegar
to their roster. Like they got some of these guys
and they got a mentality about them that I think shows.
But if you don't have Shaheed just to take it
all away, then you don't get that play right.

Speaker 1 (46:48):
Right, Sando, this is gonna be a in the maybe
a hot button topic. I mean, DK Metcalf, I'm sure
you saw that whole thing I mean, yeah, the dude
is an absolute beast when it comes to what he's
capable of. And yet there's times where you're like, what
are you thinking? That's another one yesterday where he ends
up kind of trying to take a swipe and a fan.

(47:09):
That's got to be they're gonna suspend him for that,
wouldn't you imagine?

Speaker 3 (47:13):
I would think so.

Speaker 8 (47:14):
Now I've heard some people say, hey, a lot of
times that's a that type of thing's a fine or whatever.
I don't I don't know what's going to happen in
the league. You can't always figure him out, but I
would think you got to draw a pretty hard line
there right against making contact with or threatening man or
to a fan. I think it's a would be a
positive thing for the league if there was a high
price right here in the playoffs stretch, just because players.

(47:35):
Everyone's got to know, that's a that's a no no.
You know, that's that's messing with things, you know, the
brand and the and the way people feel about the league.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
Yeah, yeah, you know another thing, Green Bay, what's what's
going on with Jordan Love there?

Speaker 3 (47:54):
What what do you make of that?

Speaker 2 (47:55):
Of course, Michael Parsons, they made the big acquisition. He's
out for the year. But that's another team that you
know that they're right now they're the last wild card entrant.

Speaker 3 (48:06):
But what's your assessment of them.

Speaker 4 (48:07):
Yeah, so.

Speaker 8 (48:10):
A couple of things. One, the context of that division
has changed, you know, I just Ben Jonson's got it going.
They've got some I mean, Dan Campbell, they're having their issues,
but he sort of has an ethos to them. I
feel like there's some teams in that division who have
liked their head coach as much or more as green
Bay likes. There's and get more personality from their guy
that Green Bay does. That's an interesting big picture thing

(48:31):
to me when you talk about the totality of the team.
I think their roster's been great, but they've been super young,
and I think you get inconsistency with that. Now you
take away you know, Michael Parsons, I think that's huge
because they've always been this team. I don't care, you know,
if it was Rogers or far now Jordan Love where there.

(48:51):
They're vitals on offense when their quarterbacks healthy are really good.
But there's always something in the defense, or the and
or the special teams that comes up to bite him,
and I feel like that's still their team.

Speaker 3 (49:02):
You know, we saw it.

Speaker 8 (49:02):
They had an onside kick. It's impossible to recover an
onside kick nowadays, guys, right, I mean they wand up
for an onside kick. You're like, yeah, I'm gonna go
take a bathroom break. It's just like a little and
who gets it on him? If you had to pick
one team before this weekend, who would allow an onside
kick recovery to help lose the game.

Speaker 3 (49:19):
You'd pick Green Bay.

Speaker 4 (49:20):
Right.

Speaker 8 (49:20):
We've seen it happen before, and it's like, to me,
there's there's some issue with that, with the roster construction.
They've tried, hiring a good special teams coach all of that.
Is it a mentality, a roster construction, a combination of
those things. Matt Lafleur just made it sound like, hey,
it's bad luck. Couple of special teams plays. You know,
they were sort of poking around if he was gonna,

(49:41):
you know, make a change like Sean McVay did and
fire the coach. But it's always something with them.

Speaker 1 (49:46):
To me, yeah, it does like it did feel like
it's always something with them. All right, I got one
more for you before we got a break. If you
got a vote MVP, who's your MVP of the league
at this point?

Speaker 8 (50:00):
Yeah, you know, I think it's probably I do have
a vote, you know, but I think Stafford's had a
really great season. Now, you know, he doesn't have a
lot of the rushing production, but to me, that's almost
more impressive when you've got to do it all with
your arm I think he's been outstanding. I think they've
been probably the most consistent offense in the league this year. So,
you know, I have thought that Drake May and even

(50:22):
at different times Josh Allen have a case for that.
But to me, Stafford's probably the leader in the clubhouse.

Speaker 3 (50:28):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (50:29):
Yeah, I would imagine too. I was Drake May with
the way he was playing last night, and I mean
it just seems odd to me. This season seems weird
where there's all these teams that are twelve eleven, you know,
even ten wins, and yet nobody's really kind of just
surfaced as the clear cut favorite, even though maybe the
Rams have been the one that have done it the
most and they got the biggest name at quarterback.

Speaker 3 (50:50):
Maybe that's where I would be. So I'm with you
on that. Well, thanks, Missando. I appreciate you. Got any
fun plans for Christmas?

Speaker 8 (50:58):
We do. Yeah, we're gonna have you know, now that
our boys are older, you know, there's work schedules involved
and all kinds of stuff, but we've got it all
figured out. We're going to have family together and uh
uh b looking forward to it. This is a is
just a great week. And and for an end season
work week, it's a great week. Things change, you know,
there's people aren't in the office.

Speaker 3 (51:16):
It's it's nice. All right.

Speaker 1 (51:17):
Well, I got the inside track. I was talking to
Santa for my own kids, and he said, you were
good this year, so you should get whatever it was
that you sent to him on your list.

Speaker 8 (51:28):
That's a great I thought you were saying I was
good this year. I mean, I don't get anything because
I'm you're good. You know you're good. You don't need anything.

Speaker 3 (51:33):
No, no, no, I don't care how old we get.

Speaker 1 (51:36):
We still need Santa to hook us up, right if
we were good boys and girls. So yeah, you were,
he gave he gave actually two thumbs up, said Sanda.
Oh yeah, definitely on the nice list. So so congratulations
on that and enjoy your Christmas. And enjoy your family man,
and we'll talk to you next week.

Speaker 3 (51:53):
Okay, appreciate it, Thank you, Thanks Mike, Merry Christmas.

Speaker 1 (51:56):
All right, there's Mike Sando. It's our segment Mike Sandal,
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Speaker 3 (52:09):
Is that it? That's it, that's it. That's the only horn.

Speaker 8 (52:14):
Oh, yours is Betters.

Speaker 3 (52:16):
I got howl horn sounded Viking hornish? Which I got
a Viking Viking? Did it sound Viking horn?

Speaker 4 (52:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (52:24):
It did. That's on a ship on a foggy morning.
And when I'm looking at you do it doing it? Yeah,
I'm taking back about twelve hundred years.

Speaker 1 (52:31):
Yeah, I don't normally, we don't normally do this zoom thing.
And I'm realizing doing this thing. You look great, Hugh,
But I have a lot of white in my beard nowadays.

Speaker 3 (52:41):
It's the lighting.

Speaker 4 (52:42):
Is that what it is?

Speaker 3 (52:43):
Lighting? They say the camera ads twenty pounds. It adds
twenty years to me.

Speaker 1 (52:48):
So anyway, all right, on the other side of the
break here we're going to dive into we dove into
in our first segment a little bit about this, but
we're gonna get Hughes take a little bit more on
the college football playoffs.

Speaker 3 (52:59):
So next, it's Sports Radio ninety three point three kg
r f F the bell.

Speaker 8 (53:22):
There was a lot.

Speaker 3 (53:23):
Yeah, there's a lot of halls being decked right there.

Speaker 7 (53:26):
I couldn't even tell you who sings that one because
it was just a generic one on the thing we're
allowed to use and play everywhere.

Speaker 3 (53:33):
That's a lot. They didn't do a bad job with that, No,
I mean I don't.

Speaker 1 (53:37):
I don't really have a I don't have the same
list that Hume Millan does. By the way, welcome back
to the show. We got Humil and sitting in for
us today and and bringing you know, deck in the halls,
uh with us and and and he'll break down all
kinds of Christmas music. I don't really have that. I
just kind of like it all when it's when it's

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time to be played, and then I don't like any
of it when it's not time to be played.

Speaker 3 (54:01):
But is it time to be played all through December?

Speaker 1 (54:07):
Yeah, I would say yeah, I would say, you can
even start after Thanksgiving. I just basically, I don't know
for sure if you know this or not. I do
a show with two people that are very premature on
their celebration and at times overly overly celebratory on certain things.

Speaker 3 (54:23):
You know.

Speaker 1 (54:23):
You know how Chuck is with the draft, to the
point that even calls it draft. Miss, It's not a holiday,
It's just a draft, and it's a cool draft. Yeah,
you think holiday as well? Yeah, well, maybe maybe I'm
wrong then. I mean, if everybody else loves it, maybe
I'm wrong, But I'm gonna stay in my wrong lane.

(54:44):
I think that Christmas stuff happens after Thanksgiving, not before Thanksgiving.

Speaker 7 (54:49):
That's the way that I feel like I'm getting really
lumped in here because I did not put up a
Christmas tree until the day after Thanksgiving.

Speaker 3 (54:55):
I didn't put up a single Christmas ornament.

Speaker 1 (54:57):
This day after abnormal for you? Yeah, yes, typically you
put it up in like November. Sometimes, Yes, so you
you have lumped yourself in there. Okay, I'll give you
credit for holding off until the proper time. Hugh, when
did you put yours in? Did you put your Christmas
tree up before?

Speaker 2 (55:13):
I've always been got to be after Thanksgi. This is
the first No, this is the first year. It was
a late Thanksgiving, and I'm like, and my wife wanted
to put it up. I'm like, hey, A, choose your battles.

Speaker 3 (55:27):
Okay, I didn't want to.

Speaker 2 (55:29):
I just defer and then b Actually, I kind of
liked the idea. I like the tree and so okay,
oh yeah, so I'm worth work icon of classic all
around the mill at home this okay?

Speaker 1 (55:42):
Okay, Well you know what else is you got for Christmas?
President as you got the college football playoffs and so
we did get our first round games in. I'm not
gonna lead you anywhere in particular other than the idea
of James Madison versus Oregon holding their own ish against
the backups or the guys that Oregon brought in after
it kind of got out of hand and Tulane you

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got absolutely whooped up abound it. Do you like the
way in which these guys had their opportunity on the
big stage.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
Well, I don't like the competition any more than anybody
else does. I'm I'm you know, I've got my text
blowing up, and I agree with everybody.

Speaker 3 (56:21):
I mean, I would have much rather.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
Seen Notre Dame or Texas in those games. But to me,
I just I look at the college football playoff and
if they were to try to eliminate group of five
teams you're talking about that is anti competitive collusion, which

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is a red flag and anti trust court. And the
NCAA has already grossly miscalculated and got horrible legal advice
in the Allston versus NCAA. Basically that was just pedly
little education related compensation like laptops.

Speaker 3 (57:04):
Or computers or musical instruments for music majors, like little
Piddley stuff.

Speaker 2 (57:11):
And Alston wanted the NCAA should have just left well
enough alone. But the NCAA appealed it to the appellate court,
they lost again, and then the NCAAAA appealed it to
the Supreme Court where they lost nine to nothing. So
those facts alone should convince you of my claim that

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they got horrible legal advice. Well, what was the consequence
all the things you don't like about college football, the nil,
rampant transferring, revenue sharing, all those things that many fans
don't like about it. It was all because the amateurism
argument got knocked out by the Supreme Court. And so
now on anti trust grounds. Let me repeat that on

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anti trust grounds. So you want to miscalculate again, and
you want to let the group of five bring up
a class action suit or a coordinated suit against the
college Football Playoff and the power forward. What you could
have is a situation where you federal court mandates a

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total restructuring and greater inclusion. How about not two of
those games, but five or six of those games. How
about revenue distribution, how about triple damages on any financial injury.
So I just think I would tell my friends, and
I did that for me. The best way to handle it.

(58:44):
It's not a twelve team playoff. We used to have
no playoff. Nineteen eighty four, Washington Huskies lost eleven sixty
to eleven forty to BYU and it was a closest
vote from a percentage of the second team to the
first team. Who's the closest vote in the history of

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the AP And the only one that surpassed that in
terms of close vote was Washington versus Miami seven years later.
But at least Washington won half of the title in
that one. So then we went to a two team,
So we went from noe teams to a two team BCS.
Then we went to a fourteen and that was better, right,

(59:27):
A two teams BCS was better than just voting. And
then a four team playoff was better than the two
team BCS. And now we have a twelve team playoff.

Speaker 3 (59:36):
No, no, no, not so fast.

Speaker 2 (59:38):
We don't have a twelve team playoff. We have a
ten team playoff. We have a ten team playoff. Plus
cover your ass and JMU and Tulane, or cover your ass,
make sure you don't land in anti trust court. Just
think of it as a ten. It will probably be
it twelve or fourteen or sixteen soon, but ten is

(59:59):
better than four. And think of it like this, and
I can say it real simple. Oregon and Ole Miss
gotta buy and they chose to scrimmage, just like when
Mike Tyson is gonna have a fight, he has a
sparring partner. They just chose to have a sparring partner

(01:00:20):
a scrimmage against JMU and Tulane. That's the best way
that I would advise to think of it, because I
don't like the competition either, but I also don't want
to have six of these games and all the other
consequences that could come down. So that's my take on
those two teams involved.

Speaker 3 (01:00:39):
I'm with you. I'm with you, and for what it's worth.

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
I mean me coming from like a small school of
an AIA school that I'll go to my grave with
the idea of I would have loved to have played
l Shoes who won the college national championship. I would
have loved to have played them, had a chance to
see now, they might have whipped us. I don't think
they necessarily would have whipped us, but they might have
beat us. And typically that's the way that it would

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be is the underdogs, these small, smaller schools are not
going to match up against the big dogs, especially now
with the guys getting paid the way that they are.
And yet I want to give them a chance. I
just don't necessarily want to come at the in a
way in which it is right now. Where a couple
of teams basically, if you had lucked out and got

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the five seed or the six seed, you end up
getting to buy and and you know, some of the
other teams have tough matchups. Alabama didn't have a cake
walk and neither did the Miami Texas A and M game.

Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
Well, we talked about Alabama and Oklahoma. Just touching briefly,
we're up against the break. You know, one thing that
the Miami Texas A and M game was I thought
a really good game. Obviously a defensive struggle. Miami missed
a lot of field goals where they could have extended

(01:01:54):
the score. But on the other hand, an M they
had almost double the first downs, they had more than
double the passing yards, they had twenty six more plays,
more time of possession, Miami controlled the line of scrimmage.

Speaker 3 (01:02:10):
But that game could have gone anywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:02:12):
But I will want to say, you know, the people
are going to say SEC versus the other conferences, Just
keep this in mind. ACC had one team in the playoff, Miami.
They were playing the number three ranked team. But go
look at the seedings of the college football Playoff. The
text A and M was the third SEC. So I

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know there'll be conclusions drawn at the end and along
the way about how the conferences are doing, but just
keep that in mind. That was SEC number three losing
to ACC number one in a game that went down
to the fifty ninth minute.

Speaker 3 (01:02:51):
Yeah. Well, I mean I think that the argument.

Speaker 1 (01:02:54):
I don't think it's an argument if the SEC is
a better conference than most.

Speaker 3 (01:02:58):
Of the others, and on any given year, this year
might be another one. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
Well, the Big Ten could say, well, we won the
national championship, national championship last year and we got the
number one and two teams this year. They could say, well,
we're better, but top to bottom their top I don't think. Yeah,
I don't think that the I don't think there's very
much argument.

Speaker 3 (01:03:15):
Three.

Speaker 1 (01:03:16):
Yeah, I don't think the argument of which conference is
better from top to bottom is really even an argument.
In Texas A and M being the third team out
of the SEC kind of just almost proves that point
to some degree.

Speaker 2 (01:03:27):
And yet I think if you took the top three
teams in the Big Ten, they'd be the best because
I think you'd have Indiana, Ohio, Satean Oregon. I think
that they'd be the better than the top three even
of the SEC. Then it might be it might be comparable.
But if you start going down to look LSU is
the tenth number ten team in the SEC. If LSU

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is your tenth best team, I mean, think of the
teams from the SEC that didn't make the player they
had five teams in the playoffs, and think of the
ones that didn't make it. Texas, Yeah, Vanderbilt, Zuri, LSU like,
uh uh, you start getting into the middle and down
at the bottom. Even Arkansas they could drop five hundred

(01:04:11):
yards on your ass. Mississippi State looked like the dregs
of the SEC are a lot better than the dregs
of the other conferences. So so maybe not quite as
top heavy, but but the depth of the conference, I
don't think it's there's any comparison.

Speaker 3 (01:04:25):
SEC is the number one conference in football one hundred percent.

Speaker 1 (01:04:28):
On the other side of the break, we're gonna dive
into something. I want to get huge perspective on whether
or not this is a concern should be yes, no, maybe,
So stick around here at Sports Radio ninety three point
three KJRFM. Well, well, well, welcome back to the show.

(01:04:57):
Final hour of the show. No Chuck, he's he's up,
probably at the Winter Poll. I would imagine helping rap presence,
or I don't know, he may be cleaning out the
reindeer stalls. I'm not sure exactly what he's doing, but
he deserves some time off. He's getting today and tomorrow off.
So it's Ashley and I and we got Hugh Millan

(01:05:17):
in today, which is great because typically on typically on Mondays,
we end up doing Coach Bucky. Well, I can't. I'm
not going to ask myself questions that would be stupid.
So instead we're gonna change it up. And it's not
Coach Hugh, it's not Coach Miller. It's Coach Breedlove. Because
I think it's maybe the greatest middle name in the
history of middle name. And I know it's a family name, right,

(01:05:40):
is it Grandma's Yeah, And I'm sure growing up with
that middle name there was probably some teasing going on.
But as we grow, like as a redheaded, freckle face
kid with the name that rhyme's with sucky and other names,
it wasn't all that great, but I grew into it
and uh and found a way.

Speaker 3 (01:06:00):
So I'm sure you've done the same with breed Love
is the middle name.

Speaker 2 (01:06:03):
Yeah, Yeah, I think that's fair. There's probably a day
I didn't. I didn't like it, but then I saddled
one of my sons with it as well, So.

Speaker 3 (01:06:10):
Did you nice?

Speaker 4 (01:06:12):
Yeah, good work.

Speaker 3 (01:06:12):
Breed loves well and it fits perfect for this because
Coach Breed loves uh.

Speaker 4 (01:06:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:06:17):
After that, I was basically number one yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:06:19):
Yeah, exactly, give them, give them that one if you will. Well, uh, basically,
just the whole thought of this that they end up
painting me into some sort of picture of that I
wear like those short bike shorts. You remember the coaching
shorts that all the coaches wore, yeh, and then the
the sands belt. Yeah, and then you got the the
tube socks pulled all the way up, you know, tight

(01:06:40):
shirt whistle around your neck. So you are wearing that
right now. We're gonna pretend that you got the whole
coach Coach Breedlove outfit on.

Speaker 3 (01:06:48):
Have a cigarette near me, I'll go, I'll go up
and flames. Okay, yeah, yeah exactly. All right, Well, we're
gonna go over a few topics.

Speaker 1 (01:06:55):
Yeah, We're gonna go over a few topics and get
Coach Breedlove's idea on the whole thing. I mean, I'm
gonna just start off with one the Hawks first drive.
I mean, I don't think anybody can give a better
perspective of this besides Coach Breedlove, because you were a
quarterback at one point in time. The idea of these
offensive minds and even not the other you know, head

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coaches that have defensive minds. Their offensive coordinator goes out
there typically I imagine, and tries to script what they
want to do on their first possession, and you.

Speaker 3 (01:07:26):
Got to stay on track. You gotta stay you know,
on down.

Speaker 1 (01:07:30):
You don't want to fall behind or get sacked, because
obviously that's not something they're writing into their script. The
Seahawks first possession was the best that they've had in
quite some time. We've been talking for weeks about the
slow starts of this offense. Did you see anything other
than well, that screen is nice to turn into a
forty six yard pass and put us down there, you know,
knocking on the doorstep. But do you like the way

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Clint Kubiak does his scripted plays or is that something
that's is left to be desired to some degree?

Speaker 3 (01:07:57):
How are you feeling about their first I like.

Speaker 2 (01:07:59):
It when it was working, Uh, you know, for the
better part of ten weeks, Seattle was number one and
in points in the first half, but then they've kind
of fallen off.

Speaker 4 (01:08:10):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:08:10):
I think the most conspicuous play, the boot screen to
Canine was a sensational you know, in a structure, you know,
it's a mister, it's it's it's kind of a misdirection
on stacked on a misdirection. You're you're faking the stretch
left and then you're faking the quarterback right handed quarterback

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Darnold springing out to the right side.

Speaker 3 (01:08:35):
Oh no, we don't.

Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
We stop and throw back to Canine who you fake
to the stretch left. So so that you know, those
type of players are often designed to take advantage of
a defense that wants to you know, flow too much
to the ball and not read out their assignments. But uh,
I think that that coaches who do the script they

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want to get into different formations and personnel groupings to see, okay,
how are they going to respond to that? And and
then they make the notes and they say, okay, if
if you wanted to play with you know, when we
went twelve personnel and we motioned from uh, you know,
a two by two to a three by one, how

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did you respond? What personnel grouping were you? Did you
did you run with somebody or did you rock the safeties?

Speaker 8 (01:09:27):
What have you?

Speaker 2 (01:09:27):
And then you know, did you change your coverage? And
and then you say, well, well, maybe we can induce
you to do that again. And then you have a
beater for that coverage. You know, so, oh we were
able to get you and cover three and rock the safety.
Well you know, you know, now we can run the
tight end into that area away from your rotation, and

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and so so there's all kinds of plays where you're
trying to set it up that way and uh, and
and yet it's a misnomer to say it's the first
fIF team because you're going to deviate off the script
unless you have literally like, okay, we don't face a
third down like we're we are executing at such a

(01:10:09):
high level. You know, we're we're eight for eight in
those fifteen plays, and the and the seven runs you know,
average six and a half yards per with a minimum
of five, like then you would you're fifteen would be
the fifteen.

Speaker 3 (01:10:22):
But you usually are going to you run a few
of those.

Speaker 2 (01:10:26):
Then you got to stop for a third and one
or a third and eleven. You got to punt the
ball and then oh the field position. I'm not going
to be able to get back onto my script because
I don't like this play, you know, from my own
four yard line after the opponent punter despondent. So that
that's kind of some of the stuff we had. But
to me, it's basically simple. If you're if you're moving

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and scoring points, then great, you're doing a good job
of scripting.

Speaker 3 (01:10:53):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:10:54):
They need to probably maybe work on rock and the
CASPA a little bit and when they're rocking, you know,
the safety, everyone on the safety and then rock the Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:11:03):
I think so, I mean, I think it makes sense.
I think just mix it in.

Speaker 2 (01:11:06):
I know Homegrin was always looking to say, hey, if
we motion, are they rocking the kasba off?

Speaker 3 (01:11:10):
Yeah, exactly exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:11:11):
That's that's that you can't be unaware what's happening with
the kasmo exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:11:18):
Another topic that is going to be highly discussed and
will forever, I think nowadays. Just the way that the
game is being played. There's it typically used to be
you get the fourth down, unless you're right on that
that edge of can't kick the field goal. It's too
far out for the field goal. It's a short fourth
and two or fourth and less than one something, then

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maybe we'll go for it. Other than that, you're pinning
the team down and trying to make them drive a
longer field.

Speaker 3 (01:11:45):
That is not the case.

Speaker 1 (01:11:46):
There's teams, a lot of them they trust their offense.
They trust the quarterback, they trust that they can get that,
and they're going for it. I mean, Sean McVay, I
think had four fourth down attempts in the first quarter.
Now their first drive ended by not getting one after
they had got and a couple earlier.

Speaker 3 (01:12:01):
What is coach breed Love's fourth down philosophy? Has it
changed from when you you used to play and when
you were used to coach or is it the same?

Speaker 2 (01:12:10):
Well with you know, coaching kids, nobody cares about that.
But we didn't punt because you know, your your net
change and field positions so little it's not worth it.
So we didn't even practice punting. Okay, and I'm being
serious and so, but okay, that's not why you're asking.

Speaker 7 (01:12:32):
The to me.

Speaker 2 (01:12:34):
You know you've heard the saying there's no two snowflakes
are the same. I think that there is no two
situations that are exactly the same. And I'm being more
literal than I sound. You know, home grin is is
basically anti uh. You know the metrics right in the analytics.

(01:12:57):
Some want to coach by the feel some I want
to go exactly by quote unquote the book.

Speaker 3 (01:13:02):
But I think that that.

Speaker 2 (01:13:04):
That's telling you what other teams were doing against your
opponent or what have you, or or an aggregate of
what the league says you should do. But you know,
particularly as the game develops based on you know what,
if the game is scoring half of what you thought.
You know, the Vegas had the over under at forty

(01:13:26):
nine and you're sitting there in a thirteen to ten
game in the fourth quarter, Well you're going to have
a different take on you know. You know, if you
feel like your defense is just handling them, you know,
three points are more valuable than I if it's a
tract meet and everybody's going up and down the you say,
wait a minute, I can't a kick a field goal here.
So so I think there's it's a blend of the

(01:13:50):
analytics and the feel for the game. But you know,
I think I think Dan Campbell has been an interesting
study in that regard because he's been noted to be
the most aggressive go for it guy and fourth down
and last year when the Lions were fifteen and two,
and then I stopped for a second on the Lions
last year because the NFC North a year ago set

(01:14:14):
the all time record for highest win percentage in the
history of the NFL, and I've looked at the list
and number five was that Western Division in nineteen thirty five.

Speaker 3 (01:14:25):
Like, this is a division. This is a record that goes.

Speaker 2 (01:14:28):
Back a long time, the NFC North and the Lions.
Out of thirty two teams in the NFL, there was
only one team that went six to zero in their
Division one team and it was the Lions. And again
in the toughest the highest division winning percentage in history,
by the way, they The second place was the twenty

(01:14:49):
thirteen NFC West when the x won the Super Bowl, Right,
but the NFC North surpassed it. Anyways, I divert so here.
Dan Campbell a year ago was fifteen and two in
the most competitive division in NFL history, and it's like
everything that he hit was right right. A year later,

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everything he hits is wrong. His fourth downs have been abysmal,
and the kind where you just shake your head and
everybody just says, well, Dan Gambill's gonna keep on doing that. Well,
you got a bit of a different team this year.
I think your offensive line isn't what it was, and
so so at an event that would be My take

(01:15:36):
is it's every single decision is unique to itself.

Speaker 1 (01:15:40):
Right Yeah, And I think the ability to adjust to
it is something that the best coaches are good at,
and the ones that are middle of the ground, they
tend to kind of stick to what they thought going
into it and don't necessarily make adjustments. We shall see
if it coach, if if any coaches make adjustments to
that whole thing.

Speaker 3 (01:15:58):
Coach of the Year? What's uh? What's coach? Breed Love's take?
Who you're voting for a Coach of the year right now?

Speaker 2 (01:16:04):
Well, I think in the NFC, I think it's Kyle Shanahan,
maybe Ben Johnson, But you know, you say Ben Johnson
because they're eleven four, where do they come from? And
so you give the nod butt their quarterback has been healthy.
The forty nine ers have had to deal with a
lot more injuries, including at the quarterback position. So you

(01:16:30):
vote for that at the end of the season. So
I would say that if the forty nine Ers end
up as the number one seed, which means the Seahawks
loss at least one of the next two games. But
if the forty nine Ers end up as the number
one seed, given everything that they've had to deal with injuries,
Kyle Shanahan would be your NFC guy. And then you say, well,

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what about Vrabel at New England? Now he has not
had to deal with He's got a number three overall
quarterback inreak May that is coming into his own. But
the substantial gain from a year ago is just too
much to ignore. So I would say that probably probably Vrabel,

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you know, Sean Payton, you know, would be in consideration.
But I think it would come down to Shanahan versus
Verbel right now as today, given that San Francisco is
the number six seed and ten to four, I'd probably
say Verybel one, Shanahan two.

Speaker 1 (01:17:29):
Yeah, but that that could change, right, I'm with you
on that. I think Liam Cohen is probably trying to
make a little bit of a run too. And Jacksonville
he discussed him earlier, Lawrence or Lawrence.

Speaker 3 (01:17:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:17:42):
I mean there are only one game behind New England,
so anything that you say about about New England, you
could say about Jacksonville, right, yep. But New England was
even further down and you got a younger quarterback. I mean,
if you wanted to really just like parse out all
these elements, I think Rabel would be a little bit

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more worthy of Liam Colin, but absolutely Colin should get
a lot of consideration.

Speaker 1 (01:18:07):
Right, all right, Well, I got one more for coach Breedlove.
And you know you've been a giant fan of DK
Metcalf and what he brings to the table. Obviously, you know,
probably a little irritated and the fact that he's gone,
and the fact that he never really was used the
way that Coach Breedlove and coach Hugh Millan would have

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used him, and yet he got kind of caught up
in an ugly situation. Who knows what was said at
this point in time, but apparently somebody a fan of
the opposing team ends up last night during the Lions
Steelers game. He ends up kind of looks like he's
kind of grabbing him, maybe holding on to his shirt
or something, and then takes a little bit of a swipe.

Speaker 3 (01:18:47):
I don't know if he hits him or not.

Speaker 1 (01:18:48):
I would imagine that that guy sees dollar signs at
this point in time, he's going to say that he
hit him. But I mean, to me, as a former athlete,
us a former athlete, there's got to be a line,
and the lines had stop somewhere short of putting your
hands on somebody, regardless of.

Speaker 3 (01:19:04):
What they say.

Speaker 1 (01:19:04):
And that sucks to say, but it's kind of part
of your job. You're gonna get you're gonna get heckled.
He doesn't handle that very well. But this is the
ugliest incident. What does a coach breed Love think about
the DK situation? Well, more or less what you just articulated. Uh,
there's exactly zero tolerance or excuse or any kind of

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rationalizing a way what he did. It's it's intolerable. It
is a very poor look on him. Primarily, it's a
poor look on the Steelers. It's a poor look on
the NFL.

Speaker 3 (01:19:43):
Uh. There's no place for it none.

Speaker 2 (01:19:45):
There's no excusing, you know, talking to a buddy, he said, well, apparently, uh,
DK said that somebody used the N word. If that's true,
that is very unfortunate. You know, in twenty twenty five
that any any person could you know, a white person

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could use that word to a black person. You know,
but that still would not excuse. You're a professional athlete,
because you know what if you were, if you say,
well that that gives a guy a reason to punch
a fan, then we're gonna be have Having played and

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now all of a sudden, idiots are going to incite
players to punch, you know, and then to get suspended,
and you know, get it. Oh, let me let me
see if I can suspend you know, DeVante Adams. You know,
we're playing the Rams, you know, and then a fan
could do that boom, and then and then a guy

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takes his wipe out of him. So no, there's no
there's nothing I can say. Uh, there's no qualifiers. It's
an absolute horrendous look. Yeah, and and totally unexcusable and unforgivable.
I got nothing, no word in his defense whatsoever.

Speaker 3 (01:21:05):
Yeah, I don't. I don't either. I'm with it sucks.

Speaker 1 (01:21:08):
There's times, I mean, obviously I never had anything that
would resemble that if somebody used the N word.

Speaker 3 (01:21:16):
I never had anything like that.

Speaker 1 (01:21:17):
But again, you know, we kind of started the segment
talking about how, you know, childhood at times wasn't all
that fun for a little redheaded, freckle faced kid with
a name that you know, rhymes with the F word.
And yet once I got to professional sports, and I
was a pretty easy target for the opposing fans, right,
the biggest guy out there. I was bald, I'm follically challenged.

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So there's that easy one that they would just say, oh,
you're you're too fat to play baseball. I enjoyed it, actually,
I actually kind of ate it up. I would actually
turn and yeah and start having a conversation with him, right,
And then if you got to do what I wanted
to do, which was go yard, then I would come
back and be like, did.

Speaker 3 (01:21:58):
You enjoy that? That was that fun for you?

Speaker 1 (01:22:00):
Like I would kind of eat it up a little bit.
I turned opposing fans sections into like my cheering section
by handling it the right way. In my opinion, this
is not the right way. But now he's gonna get fine.
But let's strypend let's straw.

Speaker 2 (01:22:15):
A distinction there. And I know you're not saying this,
but let's let's just make sure we're drawn as a distinction.
You getting teased for your name or being freckled is
at a different level than a black person in America
being called underboard, right, Like you have to have early
middle school education to understand the magnitude of that.

Speaker 4 (01:22:41):
H So.

Speaker 3 (01:22:43):
You know that that fan, uh if he said that,
it's a disgrace. But you know what, DK got to
be above it. Or if you can't wear a professional uniform.

Speaker 2 (01:22:54):
And by the way, you punched a guy wearing a
blue wig, that didn't get you you any freaking tough
guy points on any scale, right, son, event Well.

Speaker 1 (01:23:06):
Maybe maybe that's what started it. Maybe he said, my
blue hair looks better than your blue hair. Maybe maybe
that's maybe that's triggered him. If soe DK triggered for less.

Speaker 3 (01:23:17):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. Well that's the the whole idea of
not being able to control yourself. I agree.

Speaker 1 (01:23:23):
There's nothing about what I got hazed or heckled that
comes close.

Speaker 3 (01:23:28):
To anything like that that You're right, that is just
plain and simple. Right, by the way, on all levels,
I'm just.

Speaker 2 (01:23:34):
Responding to you know, possible speculator like, I'm not saying
that as fact. I hope I said, if indeed worst
like the the most charitable you could be for DK
is if you want, if you like, if somebody said
pistol to your head, you got to somehow, in the
court of a public opinion.

Speaker 3 (01:23:54):
Diffuse what DK metcalf did. Well, if you were charged
with that task, you'd say, well, they called them the
N word, and you know what, that.

Speaker 2 (01:24:03):
Is justifiably incendiary and inflammatory and and it should shock
everybody if that happened.

Speaker 3 (01:24:11):
And yet even still, yeah, I'd say that is not.

Speaker 1 (01:24:15):
An excuse for what he did. Yeah, No, I'm with
you one hundred percent. It can make you want to
punch somebody and then you have to go can I
certain times? No, there's there's times that.

Speaker 3 (01:24:26):
I chose to play.

Speaker 2 (01:24:28):
You chose to play a team sport. You didn't play golf,
you didn't play tennis, you didn't wrestle. You played a
team sport. You have an obligation to your teammates. Tigers
are badass and lions are badass, but there's a difference.
Tigers live and dwell solo. Lions are part of a pride.

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They have to fit into a social structure. When you
play football, You're a lion, not a tiger.

Speaker 3 (01:24:54):
Yeah, right on, well said, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:24:57):
On the other side, I want to get Hugh and
try to get Ashley in on this one as well.
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