Best of Chuck & Buck 12-30

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Great folks.

Speaker 2 (00:00):
Good morning everyone, morning, it's some time.

Speaker 3 (00:04):
Good morning class, lazy and gentlemen.

Speaker 4 (00:06):
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and former high school basketball stand What the hell does
that mean?

Speaker 2 (00:17):
Don't jumped any conclusions. Not a god, You've got to
lower lower your expectations.

Speaker 5 (00:23):
Hard to believe he could once send a fastball.

Speaker 6 (00:26):
To Pluto getting some Bucky Jacobson vibes and former I'll
just openly admit I'm.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
A fat, out of shape X athlete.

Speaker 7 (00:34):
Now there's been a noticeable spike in your blood pressure.

Speaker 5 (00:36):
Five seven guard and a former college water polo national champion.

Speaker 3 (00:40):
There's a lot of useless crap up here.

Speaker 5 (00:42):
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Speaker 2 (00:55):
Are you ready to get Hey, good Tuesday morning till
you welcome into the live radio program that is Chucking

(01:16):
Buck in the Morning Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM.
Ashley Ryan is here, former Mariner Bucky Jacobson. In my
name is Chuck Powell. We're going to take you through
the next four hours of course, building you up till
Saturday's big game, Seahawks taking on the forty nine Ers.
So much at stake, and the path has changed a
little bit for the Seahawks toward the playoffs, which we'll

(01:37):
get into here in a moment. We've got our normal
array of outstanding Tuesday guests that we've used all football
season long that we'll remind you of with what's on
tap here in a matter of moments. But this is
the final show of twenty twenty five right here. You're
experiencing it right here, right here, real lifetime.

Speaker 8 (01:59):
I don't know, like I thought, it feels like like
maybe Sparkly spark you know, because like when you end
the year, you got like fireworks and things like that,
and everyone wears glitter and it's all, you know.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
Like it's only it's only six o two. I mean,
there's way to go.

Speaker 3 (02:15):
Okay, there's still time. It was like I just was.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
Any surprises, but yeah, Sparkly woke up.

Speaker 6 (02:23):
I went to the bathroom and then there was fireworks
going off. As I went outside, there was a parade
down the road.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
Yeah, that's awesome. One of those I rode in one
of those duck boats.

Speaker 6 (02:38):
All the way here. I was thrown skittles out to people.
There wasn't many people on the side, but there was
still some.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
People skittles, don't they Yeah, Yeah, for miles around, very
sparkly for me.

Speaker 6 (02:50):
People celebrating the last day of of our show before
this year.

Speaker 3 (02:55):
Yeah, man, I don't have that experience, but I'm glad
you do.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
It is sort of strain. I don't know. Maybe this
has existed my entire life. I don't know, but it
does feel like the older that I get that though,
And I don't think it's because of my age. I
think that the world's just changing, like this time of
the year, like nothing is happening. Yeah. I mean, we
have like four people in the office they say.

Speaker 3 (03:22):
Yesterday, day of the year is December fifteenth.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
Yeah, And it feels like to me every day it
gets a little more exactly. And I don't think that's
a bad thing. I know, you know, everybody says across
the globe that Americans work too hard and we do
too many hours and it's not healthy and everything else.
We need a break, So maybe it's maybe it's I'm
not criticizing it I think maybe it's a good thing,
but it just does sort of feel and I know

(03:46):
there's out there listening that do a lot harder jobs
than what we do, but it feels like there's like
ten of us working, yeah, for like the last two
weeks of the year. So I don't know, and I
think that's a good thing. I think that. But it
gets more celebrative this time of year every year, and
so's there's no doubt that I've experienced that here driving

(04:09):
around just actually existing here for the last couple of weeks.
I mean, on a Monday night, I just went out
for my walk. I went out for a walk on Monday,
just around the neighborhood, around the town, and I'm telling you,
there were people packed in the restaurant on a Monday night. Yeah,
so I probably a little bit of we've been cooped

(04:30):
up with our families all weekend long and I just
want to get out and civilization. Maybe there's some of that,
but it's it's the I don't think anybody's working right now,
and they're just like the celebration is on. And I
think it's great, don't get me wrong, but it does
feel like it gets ramped up a little more every year. Yeah, well,
I mean I think Monday nights it's good.

Speaker 6 (04:52):
Good to hear that the people are out and about
and doing their thing and really getting making the most
of the holidays because I mean, yeah, we do hear
like in Europe for example, althoughay they do like four
day work days, right or four day work weeks and
us having a couple like three day ones right, bang bang, Yeah,

(05:13):
I'm going to probably start a petition and see if
we can make that a little bit more of a
solid thing. I mean, I'd even be willing to go Monday,
Wednesday and Friday.

Speaker 3 (05:21):
Wow, that is very noble.

Speaker 6 (05:22):
Yeah, I mean I would prefer Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday
and then just get Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday off. Would
be the way in which I'm going to propose it.
But it's one of those you know, you shoot for
the moon and you land in the stars type of thing. Yes,
because I think it just makes more sense, more rested,
just everybody. It'll just be better for everyone.

Speaker 3 (05:40):
Sure, yeah, no, thank you, I appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
I'm gonna get it done.

Speaker 8 (05:43):
I was wondering too, though, if having New Year's Eve
on a Wednesday has anything to do with like more
people out on a Monday, you know what I mean,
Like they're already kind of in a party mood.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
I think it's both hand in hand. I was just
talking to Bucky about this yesterday, and I guess things
are done differently in Oregon or I'm misremembering the way
that they were done in Illinois. But I remember as
a kid, you rooted for Christmas to fall off in
the middle of the week, and then because I met,

(06:15):
New Year's fell in the middle of the week, and
the reason was that you got like two and a
half weeks off because they didn't mess around with we're
just going to send you to school for a day
or for two days. Why are we going to do that?
So you got two and a half where if it
fell on like a Friday, Saturday, or Sunday, you know,
you'd get a half day on Thursday, and then you'd

(06:38):
go all the way through and then you would end
up with only a week and a half off. Oh
doing it that way, I maybe I'm misremembering it, but
I'm pretty sure that's the way that it was when
I was a kid. You always rooted for the holidays
to Christmas and New Year's to fall in the middle
of the week so that you got more time off.

Speaker 3 (06:55):
Yeah, that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
But maybe that's not something that they did here in
the Pacific Northwest.

Speaker 3 (07:02):
This was just two weeks across the board, that's.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
What That's what Bucky said, And maybe I'm not remembering
it the right way.

Speaker 6 (07:08):
I think Illinois just is they're real more. They're a
lot more strict on getting their education.

Speaker 7 (07:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
Well, yeah here sledding more important than I think. People
from southern.

Speaker 6 (07:19):
Illinois are well known for being high heard. Yeah, thats
what known Cornfield's and academia.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
The connection between US and Oxford.

Speaker 8 (07:28):
Oh boy, I mean you basically have just a tunnel
that goes from Illinois all the way to Oxford.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
Yeah. I mean the classmates that I have that went
to Harvard law.

Speaker 7 (07:38):
I mean.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
All right, well, we're underway here on this thirtieth day
of December twenty twenty five. It is our last show,
and so yes, we're glad you're celebrating the holidays. I
hope it hasn't taken away time from us. I'm sure
if you have a day away from work, you're still
telling the wife and kids, I gotta get up at
five point fifty eight to catch you know, Ashley Buck

(08:07):
and Chuck, and so we really appreciate it. Yeah, we do. Yeah,
that's that's you know right here.

Speaker 3 (08:13):
That's where that gets right in the old ticker.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
That's right. And so we got a lot to break
down today, including last night's Monday night football game, which
did kind of alter things for the Seahawks and their
path toward the Super Bowl. The Atlanta Falcons won over
the Los Angeles Rams last night twenty seven to twenty four.
The Rams did battle back despite Matt Stafford having one
of his worst games of the entire season, an MVP

(08:39):
like season. He was just inaccurate at times in the game,
but the Rams almost came back because the Atlanta Falcons
don't know how to win. And yet the Falcons played
extraordinarily well in the first half. They were far, I mean,
they were just flying all over the field. Bejon Robinsons
showcase game for him. But the Falcons do win it

(09:00):
final score of twenty seven to twenty four in that contest.
And because of that win, and I think this is
significant news, which is why I'm leading with it here
on a Tuesday morning, our last show of the year.
Is that this guarantees that the Seahawks are going to
be on the one, four and five side of the

(09:23):
NFC bracket. The Rams can still get the five seed,
but there's no way now that the Seahawks can end
up the sixth seed. There's no way that the Rams
can catch the Seahawks because of their loss to the
Atlanta Falcons last night. And I mean, if anybody's studying
the bracket and anything can happen in the playoffs, obviously
you want the one because the one gives you the

(09:46):
buy and home field advantage throughout the playoffs, the only
buye and the only team to have home field advantage
throughout the playoffs. But if you want something else, and
they talked about this in the broadcast last night, the
Rams might blow their chance at the five seed and
then you've got to go on the road to Philly, Yeah,
or you've got to go on the road to Chicago. Chicago,

(10:09):
who's playing really well and you don't know what kind
of weather you're going to get in that situation, and
the difference between that and getting to play at Tampa
who's lost seven of their last eight, or Carolina, who
you just saw how kind of an ep that they are.
I mean, that's just a completely different road to the

(10:30):
super Bowl, and you want that road to be as
easy as it can get. The road to the super
Bowl got easier last night for the Seattle Seahawks because
the Atlanta Falcons took out the Los Angeles Rams.

Speaker 6 (10:42):
Yeah, you're obviously still wanting that number one. You want
that buy and advance through the first round without even
having to lace up your cleats. But if you can,
if you don't find a way to go on the
road and be the Niners, and yeah, you find yourself
either going to Carolina or Tampa, like you said, definitely
is an easier path than the Chicago Bears are Philadelphia Eagles.

(11:03):
Now on any given day, I mean I think on
any given day, anybody that gets in the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
Can do something.

Speaker 6 (11:08):
But I would just think the betty you know, folks
that are betting making odds, they would just say, yeah,
you're sitting in the five spot. There's a whole heck
of a lot better than having to travel and play
either Philadelphi, because Philadelphia, you don't know what you're gonna get.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
I don't even know for sure. If you know what
you're gonna get with the Bears.

Speaker 6 (11:23):
They're they're improved, Yeah, but I would just feel like
the floor of both those teams is definitely above the
floor of the Panthers and the Bucks.

Speaker 7 (11:30):
Well.

Speaker 2 (11:31):
I think the NFC this year, and we talked about this,
I think that was the day you weren't here. There's
not a great team. I think that the Seahawks have
touched greatness. I don't think they've been consistently great this year.
I don't think the forty nine ers have been consistently great.
And now the Rams, who were the closest thing to
being consistently great, have suddenly lost to Carolina in Atlanta
in the last month, So they're certainly not playing their

(11:52):
best football and maybe they've fallen off of there. So
I think that it's a wild Both AFC and NFC
could be all wild postseason this year. And of course
there's the element of anything can happen, and any team
is capable of winning on any given Sunday or Saturday
as it might be in the postseason. But in terms

(12:14):
of just a path there, I mean, there's no question
that you would rather play at Tampa or at Carolina
in Round number one than you would at Philadelphia, not
knowing the weather, defending world champs, playing great defense, even
though their offense seems inept right now, they're playing as

(12:36):
well as the Seahawks are playing defensively in Philadelphia or
at Chicago again weather element. They've been riding high as
of late. So I mean, sure they could end up
being a walkover for whoever faces them. Maybe they commit
seven turnovers in the first playoff game and hand it
to whoever they face. But in terms of just trying

(12:59):
to calculate, Ashley, who you would rather meet, who gives
you the best chance of winning and advancing, I mean,
I want to be on the four to five one
side of the bracket in the NFC playoffs, and the
Seahawks locked that up last night.

Speaker 6 (13:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (13:12):
Absolutely, And I think that's been the biggest issue in
the NFC is in general, the inconsistencies with so many
teams you don't know who you're getting. You look at
the Eagles, though, and I do think I would liken
it to counting out the Chiefs in the playoffs the
last couple of years. Right, Oh, they've been down, they
haven't had a great year. Well, come playoff time, those
teams are primed for that right, So I wouldn't want

(13:33):
to face anybody like that that has that experience that
just won a Super Bowl, because you never know how
they're going to step up when the postseason comes.

Speaker 3 (13:42):
So, watching the game last.

Speaker 8 (13:44):
Night and think game, I was talking to five Iron
and I was like, does this change anything for the Seahawks,
And neither of us knew. So the fact that we're
finding that out, I love that that at least it
doesn't seem that big of a deal. But I do
think it is a much bigger deal to at least
know you're avoiding that six seed.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
Now, I don't think you want to admit it as
an NFL team, I don't think you ever would admit
that you like your path, yeah, because that's bulletin board material.
But I think there's a reason Joe and Troy were
making such a big deal out of it last night.
With the Rams. They're gonna blow their chance, yeah, to
be the five seed here. I mean, they still had
a chance at the one seed if things crumbled the

(14:24):
right way over the course of the next couple of
over the course of the game last night and then
week number eighteen, but they're gonna blow their chance at
the five seed potentially, and they still have a shot
at the five seed if they If they win and
the Seahawks beat the forty nine ers, the Rams end
up the five seed and they get to go to
Tampa or Carolina. But the Seattle Seahawks can now finish

(14:47):
no lower than the first big deal, and that to me,
I think is a significant deal. So you either are
going to get a bye and absolutely have the preferred
route that everybody wants, or you get the second best route,
which is five seed at Tampa at Carolina, and then
you would have to face San Francisco again. If you

(15:08):
don't get it, you'd have to face San Francisco again
in the next round. But that's a pretty familiar opponent
who's already beaten you twice. Under this scenario, that means
they have beaten you twice already. And can you beat
a good team three times? I mean, give me that
road all day long over having to go to possibly Philadelphia,

(15:29):
then Chicago, and then San Francisco, because that's what you're
facing if if you don't end up on the four
to five to one side of the bracket. Yeah, I mean,
it's I think you already touched on it.

Speaker 6 (15:42):
The idea of the teams that if you just take
the entirety their entire work that they've had this season,
Carolina and Tampa Bay are the teams that, not just
because how you handled Carolina, I think you'd get a
better version of Carolina possibly in the playoffs than what
you saw. Not that they didn't show up or or
have anything to play for, but you would just imagine

(16:03):
that probably is about as bad as they're going to play.
Tampa Bay just seems kind of lost. At the same time,
that is a team that is just now kind of
getting some of their players back, and so they're a
little bit more dangerous, but none of them are is.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
Dangerous as Philly or Chicago. And I think that the
Tamas lost seven of eight, they look atrocious. Now maybe
they can come alive.

Speaker 6 (16:24):
That's some good players. They worry me more than the
Carolina Panthers would. I'm just kind of putting it in
the order of if there's four teams you could possibly
play if you don't end up, if you don't end
up getting that number one seed, and then Chicago and Philly,
Philly is the scariest, and then yet Chicago but both
of them going on the road, playing at their place
with who knows what the weather could be like. That

(16:45):
is something that all of a sudden, you know, you
just kind of were like. It makes it feel even
more important that you want to get that number one seed.
I mean, not that it wasn't already important to just
get a buye through the first round and get to
rest your players and get as healthy as possible, not
to mention everything through Seattle at that point in time.
That's what everybody wants, obviously, but it does feel like
yesterday the Falcons.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
Did you a favor.

Speaker 6 (17:06):
They did your favor at least of letting you know
that if you falter on Saturday against the Niners, you're
going to have what you would feel like is advantage
Seattle going into your first first wild card game.

Speaker 2 (17:19):
And who they really did a favor for was Carolina
because now there's a scenario where Carolina, even with a
loss Saturday, still gets into the playoffs, still wins the division.

Speaker 3 (17:29):
Oh yeah, because of Atlanta.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
That's right. Because Atlanta, if they went out and believe me,
the schedule makers did not weren't counting on the Falcons
winning last night. Yeah, because they made the schedule. Win yeah,
Monday morning, yeah, probably, or no Sunday night, Sunday night.
They made the schedule for week number eighteen, and so
there was an expectator. There's a reason Tampa Bay and

(17:51):
Carolina are being featured by themselves one game only, because
that's supposed to be the winner is in in, the
loser is out. Well that's not the case anymore. The
Atlanta Falcons, with a win next week, end up with
a same record as those two, even with a Carolina
loss on Saturday, and that would give the tiebreaker to Carolina.

(18:15):
So there's a chance that Carolina has nothing at stake,
but they won't know that when they play Saturday. You
know they would if they lost, then they're rooting for
Atlanta on Sunday to beat the Saints because then they
still get in even with the tamp So Tampa Bay
can't celebrate where Carolina can celebrate on Saturday.

Speaker 3 (18:38):
That makes sense.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
So Carolina wins there in, But there is now a
scenario because of the Falcons win last night, where the
Carolina Panthers could lose Saturday and still win the division.

Speaker 8 (18:51):
I'm just glad Seattle is not in that position right
where we hold our own destiny. We're not sitting there
waiting for somebody else to do something else, to find out.

Speaker 3 (19:00):
It's just in our hands.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
It's nice, all right, Let's find out what's on tap
for this? In our hands? Show what's on TEP?

Speaker 7 (19:10):
What's on tep?

Speaker 2 (19:11):
All right? Falcons twenty seven to twenty four of the
Rams on Monday Night Football. The game also featured the
greatest catch I've ever seen in my entire life. And
it was a catch. I mean, I got on the playground.
That's a catch. He held on to the ball even
after he fell. He was just out of bounds. It
just doesn't count as a catch in an NFL game.

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But that was the greatest catch of a football I've
ever seen. I don't care if it didn't count.

Speaker 3 (19:40):
It was incredible.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
That was unreal, and so it was pokin nakua. If
you didn't see it, go see it. I still don't
even understand the physics of how he even caught that ball.
We're gonna ask Jean Stator about it and many other
things from the Seahawks Panthers game, because we've got a
list of like thirty eight plays that we think the
officials may or MA not have blown in that game.

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So we're going to take a gene to task today
at eight o'clock. Seattle at San Francisco Saturday at five.
That's not gonna change, doesn't matter what kind of NFL
math that's going on right now. Greg Bell will join
us today to preview at seven oh five. So one
last conversation of twenty twenty five with our Seahawks insider

(20:22):
Greg Bell. Chargers to rest Justin Herbert and others for
week number eighteen, and I got a theory behind why
they're doing that. We'll discuss that today at seven forty five.
Lamar's status Lamar Jackson to be determined. Something tells me
he's going to play, But something also tells me that
maybe Ravens have figured out that Derrick Henry deserves some carries.

(20:47):
So maybe, yeah, I took him about seventeen and a
half weeks the Ravens at Pittsburgh Sunday Night football, and
that will be for a playoff spot. The winner is in,
the loser is out. College football playoff resumes tomorrow at
four point thirty with Miami versus Ohio State, then three
games on New Year's Day. The Kraken will next play

(21:07):
on New Year's Day at home against Nashville. Unfortunately, they
won't be writing a five game winning streak. They lost
last night and a shootout to the Canucks three to
two the final score. It snaps a four game winning
streak for the Kraken, and yet they are zero and
four in shootouts this year. That's something that has plagued
them since they were birthed.

Speaker 3 (21:26):
That shootout was ugly.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
Everett will join us today at eight thirty. And finally,
a nice win for the Fighting Sprinkles UB one over
Utah last night by a final score of seventy four
to sixty five. And the Husky s hoops team will
next play at Indiana Sunday at five o'clock. Coming up next,
do we have a quarterback issue or just a quarterback
turnover issue? We'll discuss Sam Darnold here on Chuck and

(21:51):
Buck Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM.

Speaker 1 (21:56):
Jacob Melotza down the left side belonsa fine.

Speaker 2 (21:58):
It's a late looks at five, Chuck.

Speaker 9 (22:05):
Saekah Malon said, the fifty fee to Ryan Winterton who
finishes the play. It's a two one seeattle track and
lead for jacob Alon said, that's his first points in
the National Hockey League.

Speaker 2 (22:23):
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Morning Live Radio programming for you here on the thirtieth

(22:46):
day of December twenty twenty five. Ashley Ryan, Bucky Jacobson,
and Chuck Powell with you. It is our final show
of twenty twenty five. We will be back on the
airwaves Friday for a Football Friday to get you set
this Saturday's monstrous game between the Seahawks and the forty
nine ers for the number one seed in the NFC playoffs,

(23:08):
home field advantage throughout the playoffs, a bye and round
number one. Oh yeah, there's a lot at stake. And
then there's that nifty old rivalry thing you know that's
also yeah, I thot about that. Yeah, I mean you
can can't you just throw the records out the window
in a great rivalry, right, yeah, yeah, So even if

(23:28):
there wasn't all this at stake, it's still be awesome, right.
Seahawks forty nine ers Saturday at five o'clock. And yesterday
we finished out Week number seventeen of the NFL season
with an Atlanta Falcons twenty seven to twenty four win
over the Los Angeles Rams. And there is some significance
to the Seahawks playoff path with that result, And so

(23:52):
we'll cover that now with your frost brewed course like
choose chill headlines, and the path changes from this perspective,
are now no longer a threat to end up with
the sixth seed. There was still a possibility they could
end up being the sixth seed in all of this
because out of their same division, you had a chance

(24:12):
for the three best records in the NFC. Well, now
that creates separation, enough separation between the Seahawks and Rams
that no matter what happens in the final week of
the regular season, the Seahawks at worst are going to
get the five seed in the playoffs, and of course,
at best they are the number one seed, and the

(24:32):
five seed puts you in Carolina or Tampa in week
number one, where the sixth seed could have put you
in Philadelphia or in Chicago, and so to me sounds
like an easier path. I wanted to be on the
one four to five side of the bracket, and last
night's Rams loss assured that the Seahawks will be on
that side of the bracket. Meanwhile, the Atlanta Falcons have

(24:55):
also monkeyed up a little bit of the process. Here
it looked like a clear cut Carolina versus Tampa Bay
winner gets into the playoffs. Not so fast, my friend,
to quote Lee Corso. Now, with Atlanta having a chance
to win out, they would end up with the same
record as both Tampa and Carolina. Should Tampa beat Carolina

(25:20):
on Saturday, and in a three way tiebreaker, it's the
Carolina Panthers they get into the playoffs and win the division,
not the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, even should they win on Saturday.
So not exactly what the NFL was thinking of when
they devised the Tampa Bay Buccaneers taking on the Carolina

(25:40):
Panthers Saturday. They were hoping one team's in the playoffs,
one team is out. But it's no longer as clear
cut as that. Chargers are gonna rest Justin Herbert and
some others for their Week eighteen tilt against the Denver Broncos.
Can't make the Patriots happy. Lamar Jackson's status to be
determined before Baltimore tries to earn their playoff spot against

(26:01):
Pittsburgh on Sunday Night Football. The College Football Playoff rezuomes
tomorrow at four point thirty with Miami and Ohio State,
and then three games will be played on New Year's Day.
You dub Huskies win on the hardwood seventy four to
sixty five over Utah, and we heard the make delivery
game of the game from Everett Fitsu. The Krakens four
game winning streak came to a close at home against

(26:21):
the Canucks and a shootout three to two the final score. There,
that's a lot of headlines. Let's talk to Greg Bell.

Speaker 5 (26:27):
With the bell tolls, it must be seven o'clock and
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Speaker 2 (26:49):
Good morning, Greg, Happy New.

Speaker 7 (26:50):
Year, Yeah, Happy New Years, thank you.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
I don't know. I know Mike McDonald would never admit
it publicly because that would be in the form of
fall onto the umbrella of you know, bulletin board material
for an opponent. But I think he was pretty happy
with the result last night, assuring them to be on
the one, four, five side of the bracket. Maybe I'm
wrong about that, but it just seems like even if

(27:15):
you lose Saturday, that's a better path to the super
Bowl than being over in Philadelphia or Chicago in Round
one of the playoffs.

Speaker 10 (27:24):
I'm not sure about that because the past, the wildcard
pass the Super Bowl is treacherous no matter who you play,
because you gotta win three games on the road in
three weeks, and you just have to win two games
if in both at home. If the Seahawks went on Saturday.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
Well no, I'm not saying that. I mean you want
the one seed for sure. I'm just saying I'd rather
have the five. I'd certainly rather have the five seed
than the six for.

Speaker 10 (27:49):
The first game. Then the NFL reseeds after the first game.
It's not a set bracket, so the lowest remaining seed
after the first round plays the one. So it's conceivable.
Let's say that the Packers beat the Bears, and the Rams,
who if they can right themselves, are one of the
best teams in the league, wins their first Dround game,

(28:12):
and then if the Seahawks went to Tampa Bay Carolina
and won its first round game, it's conceivable that the
first seed would be playing the seven and the five
would host the six, and suddenly the Seahawks have a
home game against the Rams in round two. It's but
the simple math of having to win three games go

(28:34):
to Super Bowl rather than two means, of course this
is so important Saturday night for the Seahawks to win
in terms of the very first Dround game. Yes, you'd
much rather be the five than the six, and last
night's result breaks Seattle's way in that regard, But that's
of course not how McDonald and the Seahawks are viewing it.
They're viewing their process over results, and they make the

(28:55):
game plan and prepare accordingly to play another strong game
and win the game on Saturday night, and then where
do they play next? And that's kind of how his
attitude was yesterday about the Saturday game versus a Sunday game.
Instead of the NBC choosing the Seahawks forty nine Ers
for the Sunday night game, no surprise to me at
all that they chose Aaron Rodgers and the Steelers against
the Ravens, potentially with Lamar Jackson a winner out win

(29:19):
or go home situation. And we asked McDonald yesterday about
I got to play Saturday after flying back from the
East Coast. So what when do we play? Just tell
us when we play. So it's all about that stuff
that we are left those of us get to talk
about all the other stuff.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
Gee yah.

Speaker 6 (29:37):
I mean after last night's game where the Rams to
some degree felt like they just weren't really all there
to play at first. I mean Stafford throws a couple
of balls and right to their guys that pick sixes
and whatnot. But I am wondering, after last night's game,
do you feel like the folks over there at the
v MAC are our thinking we're the best team in

(29:58):
the NFL?

Speaker 10 (29:58):
Right?

Speaker 2 (29:58):
I Mean they're preparing of.

Speaker 6 (30:00):
For a big game that has a lot of implications
with the number one seed and to buy and all
that stuff. But are they feeling like they're the best,
because I mean, over in the AFC, I don't know
if there's anybody over there that is the world beater,
world dominator, and that same thing really in the NFC,
even though the Rams maybe have been the closest thing
to that, And yet they've scuffled here the last I

(30:20):
don't know, a few weeks.

Speaker 10 (30:22):
Yeah, they have. Stafford looked nothing like himself last night,
all the way through the end of the game. Is
seeing wide open guys and everything else. I think the
Seahawks believe they have the best defense in the world,
and I think they think that might be enough to
get to the Super Bowl. And I wrote a story yesterday.
I feel like I've written this story about six times

(30:42):
the last six weeks. Can the Seahawks win the Super Bowl?
Can they keep winning? With Sam Darnell turning the ball
over like this? And yeah, I know that could have
been a fumble ruled incomplete pass. The fumble could have
been ruled an incomplete pass. And yeah, I know the
other interception, maybe Mike Jackson's foot is on the end line.
It was still a poor throw and for that coverage,

(31:03):
but he could have had two more interceptions, including the
first pass of the game, first play of the game,
when he should have thrown a check down and end
up rolling out and throwing it off a defender's helmet.
The way the Seahawks are playing defense and the way
they beat the Rams, which wasn't because of their defense
until the fourth quarter, when it was because of their defense,
I'm not so sure they can't win the Super Bowl

(31:25):
as well as their defenses planned. To your point, Buckie, Yeah,
and that's my point. At the beginning, they're saying I
could see the Bears going in and beaten the Packers,
beating the Bears that the Jordan love can come back
and play. Although the Bears look really good the other night,
especially on offense against the forty nine Ers, the Niners
defense is nothing like we've seen in the last decade,

(31:46):
mostly because of the injuries. No Bosa, no Warner Jackson.
They are shovel themselves, and I think the Seahawks feel
confident they can score on San Francisco after having watched
what Chicago did to them. Ay, even Philip Rivers and
the Colts scored twenty seven on them. I think the
Seahawks believe they can score and I know they believe

(32:08):
they can hold the forty nine ers down. Can the
Seahawks do what they did the McCaffrey and the opener.
McCaffrey was a non factor. I know the Niners missed
two field goals, but they scored seventeen. Could have had
twenty three points. That's it. I think the Sea Arks
going into this thinking they can score twenty four points
on San Francisco's defense.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
Seahawks insider Greg Mello is with us. Of course, you
can follow Greg at g mel Seattle on x A
and the Neews Tribune dot com for complete Seahawks coverage.
Is We talked to Greg this morning for the final
time of twenty twenty five, and of course we will
be doing a show on Friday to get you ready
for Seahawks and forty nine Ers on Saturday for all

(32:48):
the marbles, And so I would ask next about Sam Darnold.
I mean, I realized that there are a lot of
people in sports talk radio. There are a lot of
fans sitting on their barstools and are worried a little
bit about the way he's playing. Mike McDonald has been
just the opposite. Let it Rip has sort of been

(33:09):
his theme. So as you're getting ready to play the
biggest game of the year and then start the playoffs
for goodness sake, is there any chance that they'll get
a little more conservative with Sam going forward or is
it too late to change that at this point.

Speaker 10 (33:25):
No, they're going to push the ball down the field,
especially against San Francisco. I think they're going to test
that secondary and the lack of a pass rush. Forty
nine ers are last in the league in sacks because
of the injuries, and no Bosa and the lack of
affecting the quarterback could really make it a passing frenzy
for Seattle. I think they're going to open it up
quite a bit Saturday night and push the ball down

(33:46):
the field like they saw Chicago doing. Donald if he
finishes with the NFL league and turnovers and he's up
by a couple right now with twenty, you have to
go back to the mid seventies to find a team
that entered the playoffs as a top seed with a
guy who led the league in turnovers. Mid seventies. Man,
it's as old as I am, as old as you are.

(34:08):
That's been a while, and can that be sustainable?

Speaker 7 (34:12):
Is the question?

Speaker 10 (34:13):
That's the question surrounding this whole push right now. To me,
it's the the question of this team. They can't just
give San Francisco short fields like they did Carolina, like
they did earlier in the game against the Rams, like
they have for months of the last month. I think
it's eight touchdowns and eight interceptions in his last a
half dozen games or so. Yet, having said all that,

(34:37):
he made two of his best throws of the game
when it got down to be seventeen to ten and
Carolina was pushing. Donald made back to back throws as
Smith and Jig, but once on third down and once
on first down. They got him into the red zone
and set him up from the touchdown that pretty much
put the game away or the field will actually made
it twenty to ten before the final touchdown. But Donald's

(34:58):
been like thatover turn over and then comes back and
looks brilliant. I'm not here to say the Seahawks are
winning in spite or despite Sam Darnold, but I do
think this is not a recipe to win the Super Bowl.
And if this, if he has games he doesn't turn
the ball over, including Saturday night, I think the Seahawks

(35:20):
can get to the Super Bowl. The defense is that good,
but the margin is so thin in the playoffs, then
possessions become so scarce and field positions such a big deal.
You just can't hand teams that are good enough to
be playing four chance to win the Super Bowl. You
can't hand them short fields and points. You just can't.

(35:40):
With the exception of the Rams, they are able to
do it against pretty much five hundred and sub five
hundred teams. Atlanta, Carolina go down the list. The Colts.
I don't think they can do that three times, two
or three times in a row to get to the
Super Bowl. Just handing the ball to the other team.

Speaker 6 (35:56):
I'm well, I'm with you. I mean, there's no doubt
about it. Turns there's a reason why. It's a you
got to win the turnover battle, or it feels like
you do. But when it comes to him, what would
be more concerning from your perspective, is it the fumbles?
Because he's right up there. I think he's right behind
cam Ward for the most fumbles in the league. And
then what have you got fourteen interceptions or whatever. Obviously,

(36:20):
not all turnovers are created equal, right, I mean, they're
not all your fault.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
Necessarily.

Speaker 6 (36:25):
Sometimes the receiver clanks one and it goes up in
the air and you get an interception for it, even
though it shouldn't be on you. Sometimes you get hit
from the blind side and you know you fumble the ball.
You want to be able to feel that, or you
want your guy to be able to feel that. But
what's your bigger concern when it comes to if there's
an issue with the turnovers? Because there is there's an
issue there, and yet I think the good outweighs the bad.

Speaker 7 (36:47):
Yeah, Bucky.

Speaker 10 (36:48):
I think the concern is that when he's near pressure
and guys getting near him, he loses the ball, he fumbles.
It's just the security of the ball in traffic. He
handles it every play and he's going to have guys
come in on him. He has to be secure with
the ball and there are times when he's not. The

(37:10):
interceptions if they're going to continue pushing it down the field,
which they have for seventeen games, so I would like
to Chuck's point, They're not suddenly going to change, especially
with San Francisco lacking of passers. They're going to push
down the ball down the field, and that's says McDonald.
Would call it the cost of doing business. So they're
going to continue to throw, and he's going to probably
throw more interceptions between now and the end of their season.

(37:31):
Whenever that ends up being. It's holding onto the ball
when guys are coming in on you. I keep thinking,
it's been seems like years ago, but I keep thinking
that the Seahawks really should have beaten the forty nine.
Could have been forty nine ers at the end of
the game. If Donald simply holds onto the ball when
his right tackle got pushed into him by Nick Bosa,
that's a fundamental. I mean, he wasn't expecting it. Yes,

(37:53):
he was trying to throw a check down over the middle. Yes,
so he was raising his arm and he lost the ball.
The same thing he did against that Carolina raising the
ball to throw. He lost the ball. You have to
hold onto the ball, period, end of story. It's the
number one fundamental of his position because he holds it
on every play. To me, that probably is the most
alarming thing. I'm not here to say that Sam Donald

(38:16):
was a problem for them. The turnovers are problem, but
Sam Donald is shown this season he's also capable of
winning playoff games.

Speaker 7 (38:23):
For you.

Speaker 2 (38:24):
Rashid Shaheed. What's the latest with him.

Speaker 10 (38:28):
Yeah, that's a big deal because they didn't have Shaheed
the first time they played the forty and I didn't
have she for half the season, and he has tilted fields,
changed field position with the He basically the reason they
came back against the Rams with that pump return when
they're down sixteen the week through the fourth quarter. Look,
the average concussion, not every concussion, to say, not every
brain's the same, And I'm never going to spouse somebody

(38:51):
rushing back from a concussion and more important things in
quality of life than playing a football.

Speaker 7 (38:55):
Game with a head injury.

Speaker 10 (38:56):
The average concussion is nine days of recovery time. They
only have six five really between playing when he got
the concussion and Saturday. I wouldn't think he's going to play.
McDonald said that he's doing well early in the concussion protocol.
But there's a very strict five step process that the

(39:16):
NFL has prescribed that you have to go through, and
you can't go from one phase to another until you're cleared.
And if you have a setback of any symptoms reappearing
as you increase your physical activity, you got to go
back to the previous phase. I can't see that six
days pulling that off. And by the way, that was
needless to say, a penalty on Mike Jackson, the former
Seahawks corner three yard four yards into the White rodeo,

(39:40):
throwing him down onto his head into the Carolina bench,
and then standing over and pushing down on him. I
asked McDonald what he thought of that play yesterday, and
he said, well, we put a lot of plays into
the league for review on my things recalled and why
they weren't, and obviously we're going to protect our hope
that our players get protected. They didn't like that. They
definitely thought that's an unnecessary injury. They may be feeling

(40:04):
the effects and field position and game breaking, not to
mention defenses have to play Smith and Jig, but a
little more honestly, with the speed of Shaheed down the
field in the offense, that's gonna be a big loss
if you can't play, and it would surprise me.

Speaker 2 (40:17):
If you can. Well, Happy New Year, sir, and Joy
celebrate and then we'll reconvene on Friday for one more
conversation about this monster game coming up.

Speaker 7 (40:29):
Yeah, thank you.

Speaker 10 (40:30):
It's not like last week for Seahork fans to know
they're not taking New Year's Day off. They are actually
meeting today, practicing a little bit today, and then Wednesday, Thursday,
they're practice in full go. There'll be an injury report
today for a Saturday game. The NFL requires them put
an injury practice participation report today. But yeah, different schedule
this week then last.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
All right, sounds good, Thanks man, appreciate you. We'll talk
to you soon.

Speaker 10 (40:55):
Enjoy the new year, all right.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
Greg Bell with Us. That's Greg's way of saying that
nobody's got to worry about it, like holding Leonard Williams
hair on January first, because they've got a practice so
there's no worry about that. That's good. Yeah, I mean
maybe the easiest on the team, I would think, though, yeah,
because he usually does keep it confined. All right. Greg's

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Speaker 7 (42:40):
New Year, Chuck Bucking Ashley.

Speaker 2 (42:44):
Do you have any big plans where you're going to
be for New Year's.

Speaker 7 (42:47):
Actually, my lovely wife and I are taking off New
Year's morning and flying to Kansas City to visit the
grandchildren from my favorite child who's blessed me with a
couple of those. And again we're gonna work our way
back to New York for Week eighteen and a good
slate of NFL.

Speaker 2 (43:05):
Would one of your other children throw a challenge flag
on that or is it pretty obvious and clear that
you have a favorite?

Speaker 7 (43:13):
Well, listen, daughter Natalie always gets the pass. The girls
always get the pass. And the other son, Andrew, you know,
we just keep shipping more wine and telling him to
drink more wine. And you know, the guest house was open.
I don't know what's going on there, but we'll we'll
work on.

Speaker 2 (43:27):
It, all right, all right, Well, I hope you have
a great time. We'll pick your brain here about a
few things that happen, and I actually, I mean, we
got a lot of things to discuss from the last
Seahawks game, but I do want to ask you about
Monday night football. I thought I saw the best catch
I've ever seen in my entire life watching football, and

(43:50):
yet they ruled it in complete because Pooka Nakua with
one hand couldn't keep control of the ball. That did
separate a little bit as he was falling out about
But I'm wondering, how is that Is that possible that
that's a catch and then a fumble out of bounds
because to me, it kind of looked like he had
his arm ripped away from him after he'd already secured

(44:12):
the ball. So anyway, I'll leave it to you to
tell us exactly what you saw on the play and
whether or not the officials deprived it the greatest catch
of all time.

Speaker 7 (44:24):
Yeah, thanks, Chuck, I appreciate that. You know what it's
I agree with you. It brought back Lester Hayes days
with me. But you know, when the stick them on
the gloves seemed like it was just like non human,
But this was not the case. It to me, that
was one of the greatest. Like you talk about sticking
a pass, he stuck it. But then you go into

(44:46):
these beautiful rules about how we're going to define what
a catch is and what happens to the player immediately
after possession, and you know what, You're right, he sticks it,
he dots the eye, both sneed a in and is
he falling at the time that he is doing that.
So if he is falling at the time that he
dots the eye, are we away from the upright person

(45:09):
dotting the eye? And then the ball comes loose, who
cares or he steps out of bounds right after that.
But if he's falling while he dots the eye, does
he have to maintain possession of that football throughout the
entire process and then survived the ground. And I'm assuming
I'm pretty sure that's what they did with that last
angle that we saw. That again was two camera frames,

(45:32):
probably in slow motion, and looks like the ball suspended
an air completely out of his control. Was a great play.
The player did pull his hand away, but in the
blended reality of real time, I don't even know if
that separation of the hand even exists right like down
on the field. Now we live with the replay situations
because that's what the stakeholders have created. But I think

(45:53):
this is one of those things where in real time
we slow that down just a little, you go, this
might be one of the great as catches we've ever seen,
and inevitably it ends up as an incomplete pass. And
that's some of the consequences of the replacmentarios Gee do
you like.

Speaker 6 (46:12):
I mean, I'm just gonna ask, do you like that
they slow it down? I mean super high def, super
duper slow motion because to me, it's obviously going to
catch you guys in something that is incorrect or I guess,
validate when you are correct, like last night's situation.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
And yet it also is.

Speaker 6 (46:30):
Depending on whether or not the angle of the camera
catches it right. I mean, up until that last view
that we got, it looked like, oh my god, he
stuck that thing, and then you see it floating in
mid air, He's still caught the ball in my opinion,
but I guess by the letter of the law, it's
not right.

Speaker 2 (46:45):
Do you like how much they slow it down like this?

Speaker 7 (46:49):
Well, no, personally, I don't. I would love to see
us find whatever percentage that is. It's something I've thought
about for really a long time in my world. I think,
if we turn this thing down twenty percent from real time,
ran this thing in an eighty percent slow motion for
so many reasons, and I think one of the plays
that we may talk about, the walker catch fumble, Is

(47:10):
it a fumble? Is it a catch? Da dat us?
If you slow that down only twenty percent, you just
look at that play and go, look, you didn't have
the ball along, and if it's incomplete, and in these
scenarios as well, I think so many things happen. And then,
quite frankly, Bucky, I think one of the bigger reasons
why I don't like it is I rep this game
in real time on the field, and just like players,

(47:32):
when you finally get to that place, hopefully from experience
and being out there, the game slows down a percentage
in my world that was about eighty percent. Quite humbly
that I thought I was seeing the game in slow
motion in some ways out there. If replay is reviewing
plays at a level that officials focusing on the game

(47:52):
at a high level should be seeing it. Now, we're
marrying in technology with what officials think, like when they
see replay then and they look at it the next day,
you know, I got to get that play right in
real time. But when you look at this pooka play,
an official is no way going to ever look and
we don't want them to and think, how can I

(48:13):
get that right? Whenever it really happens to me. So
it's kind of a it's a different level of why
don't like it? Outside of the fact that I think
the one hundred people in the bar look at plays
at twenty percent slower and we come to a better
consensus rather than this dissection of frame by frame which

(48:34):
no human eye could ever dissect and no brain could comprehend.
And you're adding that to a game that is officiated
for the most part without these safety nets. So no,
I don't And we could talk about that, probably for
a whole show, but that's really my rational will summarize
as I could make it well.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
In other words, somebody screwed us out of seeing one
of the greatest catches of all time, but Sawks fitted
from it, So no big deal. Geene Stertur is with us.
A segment brought to you by BMW Seattle speaking of
the sear so much to comb over from that game.
I'll go ahead and start. I mean, it's not chronological orders,

(49:13):
but since you've already brought it up, the walker fumble
incomplete pass or catch and where should it have been spotted?
And did Mike McDonald get told that he couldn't challenge that,
and then did they get the spot right? And I
mean it was just utter chaos that entire sequence. What
should have been called in that moment, Now that you've

(49:34):
had a chance to analyze it, tons of.

Speaker 7 (49:36):
Chaos and you know, chucky. We had technical difficulties in
multiple games. Right in this window and in the rest studio,
you can sit for thirty minutes, truthfully and not have something,
and then it can crash from five different places and
perfect storm for us in an unfortunate way with the
little audio difficulty. But I thought the Walker play was
again that example as I saw it and got to

(49:58):
look at it in studios, slowing it down. If you
look when he possesses the football, this back foot is
just down, so it's beginning to come up in replay
that counts as a one. In real time, it doesn't
even look like it exists. And then you have two
really quick steps as he's turning tucking the ball away.

(50:19):
But during those other two tap taps as he's fearwetting,
you really now touched three feet down on the ground,
and then he's turning in just as you said earlier,
he loses the ball on his own. But I think
if you break it down and really go to this
frame by framing, it appeared to me that there was
firm possession and three feet did make their contact to

(50:43):
the ground in a step ball though very quick steps
and take place now fumble. I believe Walker did recover
his fumble, which may have changed something about down in distance.
That's the question for the Seahawks coaching staff. They also
are on the offense, so they have the luxury of
the play clock, even though time may have been of

(51:03):
the essence. But if you've got three timeouts remaining and
it's a play where you're looking like, look, we're going
to stop the clock anyway and get it too, for one,
throw the flag because if you miss, it's a timeout anyway.
You were going to take it. But that's above my
pay grade. But I thought if it broke down frame
by frame that there was a chance, a good chance,

(51:23):
that that could have been a catch fumble recovered then
by Walker, I think for a couple of yard games
further than the incompletion.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
Wow, well, there was a lot of crazy stuff.

Speaker 7 (51:32):
I mean.

Speaker 6 (51:32):
Another interesting play was the interception. Mike Jackson intercepted the
ball there in the third quarter. The first review, the
first thing that I looked at was, oh, looked like
his toe was out of bound. They end up reviewing
it like they do all turnovers and said, yeah, his
shin hits the ground first. To me, that was one

(51:52):
where all right, if it did, then it did. It
didn't look like you could say that it did for sure,
as much as you couldn't say that it didn't touch
the ground. Is that the way you looked at it?
Or could did you get an angle where you could
see exactly that it did touch the ground?

Speaker 3 (52:08):
No?

Speaker 7 (52:08):
I think you hit it buckin. If I'm not mistaken.
Did they rule interception on the field on the play
I was trying to Yeah, so I think that one again.
And you're right when that leg buckles underneath where this
shin starts to play down by contact plays or in
this scenario, that shin right above the ankle. If the
ankle rolls or the foot rolls, they don't count it.
It's like the back of the wrist on a hand plant,

(52:30):
So that really doesn't count as a body part down.
But then right above that that body part once that
starts to crumble and hit that ground, And in this
case I think it was that man did that part
of the shin above the ankle make contact with the
ground inbounds and then a frame or two that foot's
on the white and again you're back to this really

(52:51):
wild frame by framing and then making a decision as
to whether the shin beat the foot down on the ground.
But I think when we get into sh it also
because we're not really down on the ground surface, you're
playing with just a tiny bit of is that shin
really down yet or is there this you know, index
card level of distance between it in the in the

(53:14):
surface before we thought it was down. But then I
think when you get to these the best and the
most prudent way, and really the way the book is written,
these are plays that are so tight. All right, let's
go back to what they did on the field. That's
the best answer for the play. But I thought it
was really tight. I kind of felt like the shin
was down before the foot, But man, you're talking one

(53:36):
two hundredth of a second camera frame difference.

Speaker 2 (53:38):
Yeah, So is it safe to say that if they
would have called that incomplete, that would have been held
up as well as opposed to all in.

Speaker 7 (53:50):
That, I think Donald's pass fumble fell in that. I
think we had a we had so many things in
your game so quickly it was look it was job
security From an analyst, from your point, like, if I
ever want to like go sell myself somewhere, I think
if I take these two and a half minutes from
this game, it's like, you mean that could really all happen, Yes,

(54:11):
in one game too, So what do you think? Do
you think I have bow you once a year or not?
I mean, you tell me, but n mostbelievable.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
Yeah, most of it happened in one drive for goodness sake.

Speaker 7 (54:23):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (54:25):
Jeene s Terrator is with us here on the program,
and that's right. You were in jj Watt's ear. I
even wrote it down on all of my notes. But
for some reason, when I was recapping this last hour,
I'm like, whoever Jean's guy is was telling jj Watt
apparently that there was not a horse caller, So I
want to clear this all up. So we thought, and

(54:48):
I think the whole world thought, that there was a
face mask and a horse caller on a JSN tackle
and that both were missed. And then jj Watts said
something to the effect of, I guess that wasn't really
a horse collar. I don't know if you got in
his ear on that and explained it, but maybe you
need to explain it to us. Did the officials just
blow two calls on one play or is there an

(55:11):
explanation as to why there wasn't a flag drone there?

Speaker 7 (55:15):
Yeah, the face mask myths one hundred percent miss And
from an officiating window, there's a deep official on that
sideline that really isn't or shouldn't be focusing on the
runner immediately. Whenever plays start down the sideline, that really
is for the official that will be kind of behind
the runner in that's case. But once that defender starts

(55:37):
to threaten the runner and win a hands near a
face mask, that downfield official needs a transition from the
blocking that's in front of them to the action on
the runner for secondary help because that official is the
only one that's going to see that head turning the
hand in there. So miss on the face mask. The
horse caller play just a little bit of level of subjectivity.

(56:00):
Now by rual, horse caller is inside the collar on
the side behind on the name plate, which this was,
and immediately pulling the runner backward. So in this one,
I think the face mask actually look the hands on
the name plate. The jersey starts to go down, the
other hand is grabbing the face mask, which kind of

(56:21):
twists the runner so it doesn't feel and I'm again
trying to teleport to real time, like is that immediately
pulling him to the ground or is he spinning him
with that hand? And I think a lot of the
spin may have come from the face mask and how
it creates the body spin. And now at the end
he kind of felt like as we went into the sideline,

(56:42):
you know what, I think he finishes him because of
what he has on the name plate. I get reluctant
to tell guys if I get to them on air,
if I think there's levels of some subjectivity that may
lead them into a place where they make this absolutely
definitive statement, and then this little break of a play
causes it not to be that. I'm more safe on those,

(57:05):
if that makes any sense. And in Jay J's case,
I think he's so talented and he gets so much
about what refs do, which most players don't, and it's
because of his study and prep and how he's really
morphing into what I think is really a great color analyst.

Speaker 11 (57:20):
I think that's kind of where he was alluding to.

Speaker 7 (57:22):
Again, within this window, we had this technical difficulty, but
I thought he'd did a good job. The face mask
you got to get though, guys, Yeah, which you got
to get to play?

Speaker 2 (57:31):
Is there one? Isn't there one horse caller?

Speaker 6 (57:34):
Is it a quarterback or something in the in the
pocket where you can horse caller, because that was one
where I was wondering if that was part of it.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
This wasn't that rule? But is there one?

Speaker 7 (57:43):
Well, he's out of the pocket, Bucky, But yeah, player
in the pocket between the tackles. Horse callers are allowed
kind of because defensive players are blasting into an offensive
lineman who's got to reach over a defender to a
quarterback that if he's in the pocket for most situations
is stationary where the horse caller becomes more of a

(58:05):
threat if you are running and now I pull you
back and if the impact on the legs in a
running movement to pull backwards is more inclined for safety.
So they do put that in in in the NFL
college found no matter where, because the quarterbacks are more
active inside the pocket. But that's the rationale behind where
they have that activity happen and why one is and

(58:26):
one is not.

Speaker 2 (58:27):
Well, then there was an actual face mask penalty that
might have been the play of the game. It might
have changed the entire game? Was it a self fulfilling prophecy?
Like we have to have another face mask to fix
what was missed earlier in the in the game, to
set the world right.

Speaker 7 (58:46):
In the bunkyard. And when I played hoops on the street,
that's just called Baldo lodge. That's just called Baldo lone.
We let with the sporting gods come up. They find
ways at times, and sometimes we're lucky boy that but
the Baldo lie I can assure you that in many cases.

Speaker 2 (59:04):
Well, let's we got to talk about that, Sam Darnold crazy?
Was it a fumble? Was it an incompletion? Almost got
to intercept it? I mean, just the insanity, another insane play.
So walk us through that one and what should have
been done?

Speaker 7 (59:21):
It's frame by frame, right, I mean rule Most referees,
I would say nine to nine point nine percent of
the time in these plays are gonna rule fumble because
they don't want to be blown an incomplete pass and
find out that football started to move two camera frames
before his arm went forward, and it was a loose
ball basically pushed forward by our replay technology. So you're
gonna see fumble ruled almost always on that play, and

(59:44):
they should for safety for safe reasons about if it
is a fumble, let a play And then you get
into plays like this, which there are not many of those,
and it is that really almost by one camera frame,
this football all it feels like it is starting to
move just as this arm is going forward. And I
think those fall in these buckets. And I think if

(01:00:05):
we stayed at twenty percent slower than real time, we
would still come to a lot of these conclusions, like
you know what, that's too tight for us to sit
here and try to make some real definitive answer. We
go with what they ruled on the field, and I
thought that still was in that bucket. Although pass fumbles
I have ruled on them where it was one or

(01:00:27):
two camera frames and felt like he still had control.
And this was I think, quite honestly, maybe the closest
one I saw this year.

Speaker 11 (01:00:36):
And really, I.

Speaker 7 (01:00:37):
Think when you're just clicking one camera frame and it's changing,
I think you stay with what you had.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
All right, All right, Well, there was a lot going
on in that game, man, Yeah, that lot.

Speaker 7 (01:00:51):
I think more. We could still talk more because Mili Pender,
he actually inherited my ref Number one fourteen. He worked
in my ref studio before he became an active NFL official.
There was a clip of showing him jumping over top
of equipment boxes without his hat on to try to
get to the skirmish I think on the sideline during

(01:01:13):
the game. And I told the guys in the studio, well,
when I had that number on my back, I could
have never jumped on top of that box like that.
I'd had to look for three players and say come here,
lift me up, get me on that box so I
can jump over here and stop the mess in the sideline.
But yeah, there was a lot going on Fellow's for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
Well, cheers to a happy new year, and cheers to
all the refs and the very difficult jobs that they have,
and may they have a spectacular new year in twenty
twenty six, getting all the calls right because we're in
the playoffs and we're going to need a fair shape
here here.

Speaker 7 (01:01:52):
Everybody needs to play at the elite level. We got
one month of football up and then one beautiful game
after this month. Why we do what we do so
we hope everybody is at their best right now.

Speaker 11 (01:02:04):
All right, be safe, Happy new year, Thanks guys, You too.

Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
All right, Jean Sterotur, CBS rules Analysts, greatest NFL official
of all time and maybe greatest person of all time.
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You and FITZI did. No, No, you can't just all
of us like you know that the station. That's good.

Speaker 6 (01:03:09):
We've got an Agreement's good. I get hugs from FITZI
every time I see him.

Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
Moves are part of the agreement. Yeah, well that thank god.

Speaker 6 (01:03:15):
I was gonna say if that wasn't written in there,
let's make sure we get that in pen.

Speaker 7 (01:03:19):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
Yeah, it's the first thing. First first law of having
evert fits you on the show every week, and so
joining us here on the program to celebrate the close
of twenty twenty five and the promise of twenty twenty
six is the voice of your Seattle Crack and the
amazing avertt fits you. Good morning, sir, Happy new Year.

Speaker 1 (01:03:39):
Oh Fellas, Happy new Year, and Bucky, there's something just
so safe about just collapsing into your arms, big old
bear hub.

Speaker 7 (01:03:51):
Look, man, it just feels so warm. Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:03:56):
I know that I'm going to be all right.

Speaker 6 (01:03:58):
Yep, well know, feelings mutual, and you're not a small fellow, fits,
and so I feel the shame it ever gets to
feel tiny.

Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
No, yeah, and yet.

Speaker 1 (01:04:08):
Listen, it's been my dream to be small spoon once
in my life. You're about the closest that I've ever come.

Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
I got for a fleet moment, I thought this must
be what it's like to be Ariana Grande. Well, I
think the last time I chatted with you, because I
took a little time off and we've had the holidays,
we couldn't figure out how to win a game. And
now all of a sudden, I'm sitting here talking to

(01:04:40):
you about not being able to make it five in
a row. Last night so things have turned since last
we spoke.

Speaker 1 (01:04:48):
Yeah, and you know what, it sounds so cliche, but
this team is it got back to simplifying their game.
I mean, you look at their last five games. If
you you know, we're not going to count the shootout
goal because it wasn't a goal against the Krack and
now for five straight games have allowed one or two

(01:05:09):
goals in each of those games. It's been a defensive
structure that made them successful the first month of the season,
which got them off to that franchise record start. So
it's it's been a simplifying of their game. I think
when when you're going through slumps that will happen, you

(01:05:29):
try to be a little bit too fancy, you try
to maybe you grip the stick a little bit too tight,
you try to do a little bit too much. And
I think the message just got through to the guys like, hey,
you know, let's simplify our game. We know who we are,
we know what makes us successful. And they got back
to it and it was at the right time the

(01:05:50):
game and Calgary I remember, you know, listening to a
couple of guys post game. It was it was very melancholy,
it was very uh frustrating and very annoying in the
locker room, the way that the guys worked hard and
couldn't get it done. So then you go to San Jose.

(01:06:10):
You sweep your way through California for the first time
ever against three pretty good hockey teams and against three
teams that are above you in standings, and just like that,
you're making up ground. You went from being seven points
back to at least for about forty five minutes yesterday,
one point back of a playoff spot in the span

(01:06:32):
of eight days. So the crack back in it. And that's,
I guess the beauty of this season, the compacted schedule.
Everyone is so tight, everyone is so close. You can
overcome a one, nine and one stretch with a five
game point streak, which is what they're on right now.

Speaker 6 (01:06:49):
Wow, that is crazy how quickly they got back into
the mix. And yet unfortunately the wind streak comes to
a close last night against the Canucks in the overtime shootout.
I mean, they just look tired to me. I have
no idea how difficult hockey is it. I'm sure that
it's a it's a lot, there's a lot going on there,
but they just seem tired in the shootout. I mean

(01:07:10):
just the way in which they'd skate up there. Is
there anything to that with the you know how they've
been playing up to this point and then finding themselves
even after extra time, having to go to the shoot up.

Speaker 1 (01:07:22):
Yeah, the shootout's been an area of opportunity. I'll say
they've worked on it quite a bit in practices. If
you're asking me personally, I think the shootout was a
wonderful gimmick twenty years ago when when they put it in,
and now I think a lot of players, fans, maybe

(01:07:44):
you're going a bit tired of it, but it's still
part of the game, you know, the shootout is it's
it's a total crap shoot right. I mean Kevin Lankett
and for the Vancouver Canucks, I read all time that
he has won third keeam of his fourteen shootouts in
his career. There are some goalies that are just lights

(01:08:07):
out during the shootout. Kevin Lankinin's one of them. And
the cracking and running into some hot goalies, and I mean,
you're really you can't coach the shootout, right, It's like
trying to coach a home run derby.

Speaker 7 (01:08:19):
You know what I mean it's like, hey, you just
go up and hit the.

Speaker 1 (01:08:22):
Baseball, give me your best move and try to beat
the goalie. There's no system, there's no you know, two
on one there, there's nothing right like, it's go up
there and try to score. So you can't coach the
home run derby. You can only practice invp. You can't
really coach the shootout. You can only just try your

(01:08:43):
best moves in practice. So many times and unfortunately for
Seattle and they've fallen victim now four times to the
shootout this year.

Speaker 2 (01:08:52):
Well, if you ever do find yourself in a home
run derby, Bucky could at least give you some tips. Yeah, yeah,
that'd be great. Maybe you can't coach, you appreciate it.
Yeah yeah, if you ever, But if you ever find
yourself in that situation, he's your guy. Yeah. Well I'll
coach you.

Speaker 6 (01:09:04):
It's just whether or not you're coachable enough and talented enough.

Speaker 2 (01:09:08):
Yeah. I think you are.

Speaker 6 (01:09:12):
And we're gonna go down the line that can.

Speaker 1 (01:09:16):
I use a metal bat?

Speaker 6 (01:09:17):
Uh yeah, yeah, we'll get you a big one.

Speaker 1 (01:09:21):
Great. I remember the story Calin de Boor one time
told he was talking about how he played college baseball.
He was he was a baseball prospect, and he knew
it was time to give it up when he said
he hit the hardest ball he'd ever hit his entire
life with a wooden bat, and it barely made it
out of the infield. And I feel like that's that's me.

(01:09:41):
I feel like that would be me. I would just
get a hold of one and it'd be a little
number right back to the third piece.

Speaker 2 (01:09:50):
Ever fits you is with us? All right? So how
important then is this New Year's Day game with the Predators?
And I say it from this perspective, So you on
this drought and then all of a sudden you got
in a tear uh, and then you lose a game
via shootout, but it's still you know, you don't win
the game. So how important is it then in this

(01:10:12):
next game against the Predators to to just remind yourself, like,
all right, we're not gonna sync back in anything more.
What we've been doing lately is real. That whole losing
straight that was out of character. We gotta we gotta
make sure that we got to keep this good thing
going and not less a shootout loss trip us up

(01:10:33):
in any way. So I've just asked how important from
that standpoint is winning New Year's Day at home against Nashville.

Speaker 1 (01:10:41):
Well, I mean you said it right, you have to
get back on the horse. You can't let you can't
let that that game affect you moving forward. Nashville is
a team that is one point back of you in
the playoffs. So you're playing a really good team who's
been surging as of late. Your next I mean, your

(01:11:02):
next ten games essentially are going to be against either
playoff teams, teams that are directly with you or two
to four points back of you. So against Nashville, I mean,
you've had a lot of success against them. You beat
them twice in their building last season. The Kraken can't

(01:11:23):
let that shootout loss affect them. And like I said before,
their last five games, they've allowed one or two goals
in each of those games. They've gotten back to what's
made them successful. They're a point back of Seattle. So
you have to go into this game thinking another playoff mindset, Right,
we have to get these two points. Nashville wins this game,

(01:11:45):
they're gonna leap fraud us in the standings. That's the
motivation going into Thursday, and then you're back in Vancouver
on Friday with a chance at some revenge, so to speak. So,
I mean two really important games Thursday and Friday. But
but Nashville, you need to get back in the win column,
and you can't dwell on a really good effort last

(01:12:10):
night that didn't result in a second point.

Speaker 2 (01:12:14):
All right, Well, happy New Year to you, sir. Are
you gonna do anything? I mean, you'll be home, so
anything to celebrate You and Al gonna get together with
the wives and you know, maybe toast the top the
space needles, you know, something fun, something you know, meg
Ryanish like that.

Speaker 1 (01:12:31):
I'm gonna put my three year old to bed, and
my wife and I are going to toasting nice glass
of sparkling grape juice and then we'll go off to
we we celebrate.

Speaker 2 (01:12:42):
That what we're calling it these days. That's the weirdest
euphemism I've ever heard. Yep, sparkling grape juice.

Speaker 7 (01:12:50):
Sparkling grape jeers.

Speaker 1 (01:12:51):
We celebrate East Coast New Year.

Speaker 2 (01:12:53):
So it's been like four years since I've even made
it to midnight. I tried, I've tried. Yeah, it just
doesn't happen.

Speaker 1 (01:13:03):
Last year, yeah, last year, I was I was a
bachelor on New Year's Eve. My wife and my son
were back back in Jersey, where she's from, so I
went downtown. I saw the firewords on the needle. I
was hanging out at Buckley's with some friends watching some football,
and I caught the fireworks and it was really cool.
I've never experienced a Seattle New Year's Eve and it

(01:13:27):
was It was pretty fun last year. So I got
my one in. But uh no, we're gonna We're gonna
watch the ball drop in Times Square at PM and
I will be fast asleep by ten.

Speaker 2 (01:13:37):
Okay, Well, cheers, stay cozy, Cheers to the fits Hughes,
and we'll talk to you next year. We'll see you
next year, all right, ever, Fits you the voice of
your Seattle crack and he and L will be back
on the call New Year's Night against the Nashville Predators
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Speaker 11 (01:14:55):
How about that for some news.

Speaker 2 (01:14:57):
You're always breaking news these days.

Speaker 11 (01:15:00):
Well, I've played enough rounds of golf, so when this
operated opportunity came forward, it's too fun. And truthfully, guys,
it's it's almost more college football than what college football
is today because every kid on the team is going

(01:15:23):
to make the same amount of money. They're all, you know,
trying to chase the brass ring of the NFL to
have that opportunity to play one more time. Most of
the guys that play in this league that played in,
the spring leagues that I played in back in the
old USFL, and the one that I coached in the
Alliance of American Football. They all just want that one

(01:15:44):
more chance to play a game that they love that
they think that they can compete successfully in. But everybody's
making the same amount of money and and is happy
to be there, happy to be there. So it's kind
of a little bit nostalgic to coach a bunch of
guys that are dying to prove themselves and dying to

(01:16:06):
help each other and all doing it for the same amount.
No one's trying to break the bank here, so UH
kind of excited about it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:14):
And personally, you just miss ball, don't you.

Speaker 7 (01:16:17):
I do.

Speaker 11 (01:16:18):
I It's footballs is a uh And I think all
competitive sports are a little bit of a drug, right
you You you're involved, and you don't get it anywhere else.
So I love putting teams together, creating a culture of
of uh, you know, one for all for one and

(01:16:38):
and finding ways to celebrate victory and uh fix defeat
for the next matchup and see if you can rise
to the occasions. It's a wonderful, wonderful enterprise and It's
been great to me, and so to get to do
it that my age is really exciting.

Speaker 2 (01:16:57):
All right, So how much of your time is it
chewing up? I mean, is this in addition to CBS College.

Speaker 11 (01:17:04):
The beautiful thing for me is that I give up
nothing other than a couple of rounds of golf.

Speaker 7 (01:17:10):
I am.

Speaker 11 (01:17:11):
I'm going to still be with the CBS family. Is
that's in the fall. Uh, And I'm going to be
able to keep the radio gig for at least the
foreseeable future. And There'll be some days when I can't
do it, but I'm going to be able to keep
my full ride program with Serious XM as well. So
I'm really excited about it. And uh, we'll see if

(01:17:34):
we can create some Renegade fans.

Speaker 6 (01:17:37):
Yeah, I'm already and I love that, uh that that
emblem you guys have. And I told Chuck that I am.
I am now officially Dallas Renegades fan.

Speaker 2 (01:17:46):
Yeah. I think we all are.

Speaker 7 (01:17:47):
We Uh.

Speaker 11 (01:17:48):
I think actually both of you will be asked to
try out, uh more than just fans. Yeah, You're You'll
be asked to come and participate in training camp begin
by the way, just so just so you know, just
at the end of there of February, so be ready
to go.

Speaker 2 (01:18:04):
Yeah, look, I don't know. That sounds like a lot
of work, me running out on the field to grab
the kicking tee over and over. I'm not sure. I'm
sure I'm your guy. Well, congratulations if we're excited for you,
and certainly excited that we can maintain the relationship while

(01:18:24):
getting to talk to the Dallas Renegades head coach during
the college football season. So yes, if you're just joining
US coach new Isiell just as he's a coach again.
He's going to be coaching the Dallas Renegades of the
UFL for this upcoming season and beyond, so very excited
for you.

Speaker 11 (01:18:41):
You know the quarterback that I had in the Alliance
of American Football, John Wolford. Yeah, it was a Wake
Forest player, right, and I've seen him play in a
bowl game. And all a sudden, I get this call
and from Bill Pollyan asking about whether or not I
want to coach in this deal, and I said, sure,
it sounds like fun, it doesn't interfere, and it's something

(01:19:04):
that sounds like a blast. So I enjoyed it dimentionally.
But I got this Wolford to be on my team right,
and he's still playing. He's made thirty million dollars plus
by coming back and playing. He was on Wall Street
when we drafted him. He had taken a job on
Wall Street and he came back and we put together

(01:19:26):
an offense and he made it click. And he's made
more than thirty million dollars in the NFL since that time.

Speaker 7 (01:19:34):
So those are the kind of stories that you love.

Speaker 11 (01:19:36):
But even those guys that that was their last year
had a memorable experience, and that's that's the goal here.

Speaker 2 (01:19:44):
Yeah, And didn't you win that title down in Arizona?

Speaker 11 (01:19:48):
Ended up we were in first place in our half
of the division. Steve Spurrier's team was in first place.
They were seven and one in Orlando. We were five
and three in Arizona. But I Steve called and you know,
named himself the champion of the league. And I said, Steve,
you realize that the winner of your league and the

(01:20:10):
winner of our league we're going to play each other
in the championship. And since that's no longer possible, the
fact that we did play each other and it was
the hot shots that were victorious, I think makes us
the champion, and so there there's still that that rub,
that rub, but the ball coach and I will will
find a way to find a conclusion of that somewhere

(01:20:34):
else down the line.

Speaker 2 (01:20:35):
Why is that story just totally on brand for Steve Spurrier.
I'm just gonna go ahead and claim this for myself.

Speaker 11 (01:20:42):
Totally claimed it, totally claimed. And I said, well, that's
so fast, my friend. I pulled up my number two
pencil and Lee corsoed him.

Speaker 2 (01:20:49):
Yeah, all right, Well, let's talk a little college football
because we got some big games starting tomorrow with the
money versus Ohios eight. I mean, this is what we
did it for, right, to be able to create this
kind of drama right around the New Year's holiday. And
here we got four games over the course of the

(01:21:11):
next couple of days. And it starts with the Hurricanes
and the Buckeyes. Hurricanes obviously coming in as a major underdog.
What would they have to do to shock the world?

Speaker 11 (01:21:24):
They can't beat themselves. I mean, Carson Beck has six
ten interceptions on the season. Six of them were in
their two losses, four against Louisville and two against SMU.
So they just have to play within themselves in play
as they did against Texas A and M, winning that
game ten to three. I think this game is going

(01:21:46):
to be low scoring. I think this is going to
be kind of a don't make the big mistake, not
that Ohio State has had a lot of big mistakes.
So it's up to Miami's defense to prove worthy that
they can corral Carnel Tate JJ Smith and if they
can do that, then this will be a four quarter game.
And I really am looking at as you look at

(01:22:10):
the lines in these games, I'm really kind of looking
at the under in this game as being maybe the
best bet. It's only forty and a half points, but
I think it's probably going to be less than that.
And it'll be fascinating to see now that Ryan Day's
calling the plays for Ohio State as Brian Hartline as

(01:22:33):
a new job. He's the head coach at South Florida,
so rather than put it all on him, as Texas
A and M did to their offensive coordinator who'd just
gotten the job, Colin Kline had just gotten a job
at Kansas State, Ryan Day's going to call it, but
I think it's going to be a conservative plan on
both sides, not wanting to have anything bad happen. So
look for a low scoring game in this one.

Speaker 6 (01:22:55):
Okay, how about the Oregon Texas Tech game. It's first
one that comes up on New York Day. I mean
Oregon coming in obviously, the five seed versus Texas Tech.
I've hearing a lot about Texas Tech's defense being legit.
I mean, is it enough to slow down Oregon? And
how about on the other side.

Speaker 11 (01:23:11):
So again, this whole tournament, the eight teams left are
all giant defensive teams, with maybe the exception of Old
Miss But this is a defensive game. And if Oregon
can't run the ball. If Oregon struggles to run the ball,
then I like the Red Raiders in this game. This

(01:23:33):
is a great matchup of two teams that have kind
of built themselves. They weren't necessarily born into blue blood status,
but it built themselves into blue blood status by virtue
of putting incredible finances into their programs. And these two
fan bases are going to have a blast. If I

(01:23:53):
had one game to go to, this would be the
one I'd go to.

Speaker 2 (01:23:57):
By the way, was that an old school will plug
into the wall, got a cord on it kind of phone,
you know, with like the lights that light up at
the bottom and the red hole button. I mean, did
I hear that in the background.

Speaker 11 (01:24:10):
That I'm in a hotel in New York City getting
ready for the Sun Bowl tomorrow? And that was an
old hotel phone. Yeah, that we don't have those anymore,
but that's what you just heard exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:24:22):
It was like hearing a bronosaurus roar.

Speaker 11 (01:24:25):
After we get off the phone, I've got to do
a zoom call with all the new folks that in
the UFL, so they're all making sure that I'm available, okay,
And I said, I have a huge priority out there
in Seattle with Chuck and Bucking, so I'll get to
you when.

Speaker 10 (01:24:42):
I get to you.

Speaker 2 (01:24:43):
It's not like a stegosaurus growling in the background. It's
been so long since I've heard a phone like that.
All right, let's talk about Alabama versus Indiana. Man, this
just a wild carpet ride that the Hoosiers are on
right now. I don't want to see it crash and
burn here in this round against the Alabama, but it
feels like the Tide have got a little bit of

(01:25:05):
momentum going. What are you expecting in this matchup?

Speaker 11 (01:25:10):
I gotta like Indiana. There's no reason not to. They're authentic. Now,
they lost a big timer on the defensive front who
got hurt in the celebration unfortunately after the Big Ten
Championship game, but I think they're formidable enough to keep
Alabama at bay running the ball. Alabama was fourteenth of

(01:25:31):
the sixteen teams in the SEC and rutting, so I
don't see it as a huge hurdle for them to
keep the running game down. And if they can have
a running game themselves and control the clock, then I
think they put enormous pressure on Tysimpson. It's not supposed
to be a very nice day at the Rose Bowls

(01:25:53):
supposed to be rain so if you're having to throw
the ball and it's wet, I just don't know that
it's the perfect combination for Alabama. So I'm going to
lean on Indiana, and maybe I'm just you know, just
because of this magic carpet, right. I keep saying, do
you imagine a guy in an Indiana fan years ago

(01:26:14):
that basically was out taking out the trash, sees this
old lamp, rubs it, and all of a sudden, a
genie comes out and says, Okay, you've got three wishes
for your Indiana Hoosiers, says okay, I'll let's get us
in the college football playoff for the next couple of years.
How about a Heisman Trophy? Oh yeah, take us to
the Rose Bull and we'll play Alabama. That all happened, Yeah,

(01:26:38):
that all has come true. That is an incredible, incredible undertaking.
As a matter of fact, we had as I did
the radio this morning, we had confirmation that ADULTA flight
leaving Indianapolis to LA had gone up to three thousand
dollars offering people to get off the plane because they'd
overbooked it and no one was leaving. Owen would take

(01:27:00):
the money not to get on that plane because they
wanted to be damn sure they're in Pasadena for this
ball game. Incredible story of Indiana football.

Speaker 6 (01:27:11):
Yeah, I mean, what is it if you just I
mean looking at it the way that you can look
at it as with your experience and now with your.

Speaker 2 (01:27:18):
Analyst hat on.

Speaker 6 (01:27:19):
What is it that he does there that has them
to where it feels magical? I mean you'll see it
every once in a while across sports where it's just
like that's that team's year and he's built this up
to where now all of a sudden, it doesn't feel
like this is Cinderella and the slippers going to fall off.
It feels more like this team's legit. I mean, is
there anything in particular that you recognize that you're like,

(01:27:40):
that's why.

Speaker 11 (01:27:42):
The quarterback is mobile enough to make plays off schedule.
We saw that against Penn State. The running game has
been consistent. The two running backs will both be NFL guys.
The offensive defensive lines have been built uh with great evaluation,

(01:28:03):
meaning that they're the real deal.

Speaker 3 (01:28:05):
Uh.

Speaker 11 (01:28:06):
The guy who played center for Notre Dame in the
championship game last year is their center, kid by the
name of Pat Coogan. So they've got guys, They've got guys,
and they've got experienced guys. It's a very old team.
When you talk about, uh, you know, college basketball. We
get to the tournament, everybody says how old they are,
and how old matters when you're in those kind of situations.

(01:28:27):
This is an older team, a very very cerebral team.
Mendoza's very very bright guy. He was going to Yale
before cal uh plucked him out of South Florida, and
then obviously Indiana took him and his brother. So this
is a uh, this is a well constructed team, disciplined team,

(01:28:48):
and uh, you know, give Signetti all the props. He's
he's done a white whale of a job in knowing
what they do well, knowing how to offset their deficiencies
if there are any, maybe potentially a speed deal. But
when you look at their secondary those guys are going
to the NFL too, So it's it's been well constructed.

Speaker 2 (01:29:08):
What would make Lane Kiffin happier that ole miss keeps
winning or that old miss loses because whatever makes him unhappy,
I'm for that.

Speaker 11 (01:29:19):
Did you see the latest Kiffin video? Well, wouldn't pay
the ten cents for the plastic bag. Oh, he was
shopping and he took the shopping cart home because they
wanted to charge him ten cents for the plastic bag.
Put the groceres in, So he took the little, you know,
carry by handle grocery cart. They brought it home with them,

(01:29:42):
And I'm saying, the guy just made ninety one million.
I think he can afford the plastic sac but I
think Lane probably Let's give him the credit. Let's let's
let's say he loves those guys and wants him to win,
so then that you're pulling for Jordan.

Speaker 2 (01:30:01):
Pulling for the dogs. Go Dogs.

Speaker 11 (01:30:03):
Yeah. I think it's a fascinating game. I think this
might be the if you like offense, this will be
the most entertaining game and I'm anxious to see it.
But I'm pulling for Trinidad Chambliss. I think that's a
great story from Farris State to Ole Miss and to
be at this stage, I love getting more and more

(01:30:25):
notoriety for D two football.

Speaker 2 (01:30:28):
All right, last thing football wise for you. With Kyle
Whittingham taking the job at Michigan, does that mean that
a Husky fan can finally accept that Jedfish is going
to be here next year? Or is the carousel still
spinning and you never know where it's going to stop.

Speaker 11 (01:30:47):
Well, unfortunately, it spins, and the NFL is also a
desire for folks, so we just have to wait through that.
But I'm going to give you a huge, huge, ninety
nine point nine percent. You're going to have Jed right
where he is positioned there in Seattle, and you should
be happy to have that situation.

Speaker 2 (01:31:05):
Okay, very good, All right, do you have your quarterback yet?
With the Dallas Renegades? Or are you shopping for that?

Speaker 11 (01:31:11):
So here's how this all works. By January fifth, I've
got to give him a list of five guys, and
I've got to get from the list of which from
where I get to choose right, and everybody, all the
other coaches will do the same thing. Then we're going
to draft over the next two months by position, so
it kind of will snake. If I've got the first

(01:31:32):
pick for the running back, then I would have The
next time i'd pick would be the sixteenth pick. So
if you had eight pick, you to get eight and nine,
So the running backs. Then we'll do linebackers, and then
we'll do offensive line and on and on the coast.
So it's going to be really fun to plunge into
all that. And I can't wait to get some guys

(01:31:54):
around me and see if we can't build ourselves a
championship football team. The metroplex of Dallas, Texas.

Speaker 2 (01:32:02):
Well, I think Dallas awaits you, so we won't hold
you up any longer. Thank you very much, very happy
for you, and very also happy that you won't be
leaving us, So it all works out.

Speaker 7 (01:32:12):
Well.

Speaker 11 (01:32:12):
Get rid of me that easy, all right? You can't
get rid of me that easy enjoy that we can
Happy New Year to everybody and should be a whale
of a ride here as we crown a national championship
in twenty twenty six.

Speaker 2 (01:32:25):
That'll be awesome.

Speaker 11 (01:32:26):
Thanks coach, See you guys.

Speaker 2 (01:32:28):
Thank Rick new Isle joining us right here on checking
back in the morning. If you are just joining us
just now and just heard the goodbye and you're wondering
what the hell's going on. He took the head coaching
position in the UFL for the Dallas Renegade. So when
Rick new Eisl was in that flirtation with Washington State,
he was very serious about becoming a football coach again.
He didn't get the opportunity with the Koogs, but the

(01:32:50):
opportunity arose in the UFL and he jumped on it.
And as he said at the start of our interview,
it's pretty much like coaching college kids. That's the age
of the players and they all have the same goal
trying to get to the National Football League. So I
want to be a part of that process, teaching and
helping kids reach their dreams. And so excellent for him,

(01:33:14):
very happy and we're very happy for him, and it
will not affect his role at CBS Sports as a
college football insider or with us here at KJR. And
that's great news too, all right, coming up next, Old
Judge will stop by one more time in twenty twenty
five Sports Radio ninety three point three KJR FM.

Speaker 6 (01:33:30):
You earned it, twenty twenty six going out with a
back or twenty five going out with a bag?

Speaker 8 (01:33:35):
How can I throw these fools off?

Speaker 2 (01:33:38):
You did it and just it in perfect timing too,
just like right out there right away.

Speaker 6 (01:33:42):
Yeah, I was getting ready to do what I normally do,
like come on, actually get up, and you were already.

Speaker 2 (01:33:46):
Up he was, Oh yeah, he was up for it.
The judge, happy work. All right, this is the Old
Judge works. Basically, I'm going to bring up a few
different topics. Ashley and I will discuss them. We don't
have to agree or disagree, doesn't really matter. We'll discuss them.
And once the Old Judge has heard enough, he bangs
his gabble, he weighs in, and then whatever Bucky says goes.

(01:34:12):
That's the best part. We all know that. All right,
let's do it. We'll start with this one. Mike McDonald
might not win Coach of the Year, but he should
finish ahead of Kyle Shanahan.

Speaker 3 (01:34:22):
Oh.

Speaker 8 (01:34:24):
I really love Mike McDonald and what he's done has
been really incredible. But what Kyle Shanahan has done with
the amount of injuries that they've had, and not even
just injuring injuries. I mean Brandon Ayuk isn't injured. He
just didn't come to work. Yes, it just was like
I'm done.

Speaker 2 (01:34:40):
Thanks for the money. Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:34:41):
So for them to even be in the same position
as the Seahawks with a chance to hold that number
one seed in the NFC, I would have to give
the edge to Shanahan.

Speaker 2 (01:34:49):
I think I would too. And I love Mike McDonald man,
what a great hire, and I think he's going to
be phenomenal for years to come. And I think we're
beating him on Saturday. But in terms of who just
worked magic this year, I go with him. And yet
most national people believe that it's going to Mike Vrabel
or Liam Khan of the Jaguars, and neither are really

(01:35:11):
being strongly considered.

Speaker 6 (01:35:13):
Gavel, Gavel, Gavel. I need a little bit more evidence here.
Does this win? Does the voting for this take place
at the end of the regular season, a regular season
I would say, if if you're comparing those two that
whoever wins it, whoever gets the number one seed, should
get it. Oh wow, because I don't. I mean, yeah,

(01:35:35):
I think there's more Shanahan has done more with when
it comes to overcoming injuries. I mean, you lose your quarterback,
that's a doozy, and figuring out a way to get
Mac Jones, who you know really wasn't all that good
when he was in New England, figuring out a way
to get him, and yet that's kind of par for
the course. And yet I think at times that ends

(01:35:55):
up getting overlooked or overshadowed and whatnot. That said, I mean,
it's whichever one of these teams, to me, if they
end up coming out of this thing on top getting
that number one seed, that's the one I'd give the
odd too out of the two.

Speaker 3 (01:36:08):
All right, fair way to look at it.

Speaker 2 (01:36:10):
Next one, the eliminated Colts are starting Riley Leonard at quarterback,
and their season finale was the Rivers experiment as a
football fan, a positive or negative experience.

Speaker 3 (01:36:24):
Positive, I think, I mean they needed a quarterback.

Speaker 8 (01:36:28):
They obviously didn't have any confidence in their two that
they had, and one was dealing with injury. I think
to bring back Philip Rivers, it was a feel good story.
You have a guy that I think annoyed a lot
of people, and now people have come to have a
new respect for and I mean you're seeing him miked
up all the time, and everybody's loving all the things
he says and the way he does it.

Speaker 3 (01:36:48):
So I think it was good.

Speaker 2 (01:36:50):
Yeah, I'm with you one thousand percent on your one
hundred percent, because I mean they went on and three.
They didn't win a game. He didn't he didn't come
back and look like old Philip Rivers. He certainly looked older,
but he didn't embarrass himself either. It gave us a
tremendous talking point. He was there to try to save

(01:37:10):
their season, not make their season, and I don't think
it was gonna happen with whoever they put at starting quarterbacks.
So I think it was great for Gavel Gabble Gavel. Yes,
it was a positive experience.

Speaker 6 (01:37:23):
I mean, you're right, he didn't win any games, but
he was trying to, you know, plug the hole in
a sinking ship. I mean, they we had already been
going backwards a little bit. They played tough teams, Seattle,
San Francisco and Jacksonville own teams that are vying for
number one spots in their respective conferences.

Speaker 2 (01:37:42):
I think it was it was the right move.

Speaker 6 (01:37:44):
I think that it's also the right move that they're
gonna give Riley Leonard the shot in this final one,
like all right, let's see what you got, kid, because
I think Daniel Jones, if they do bring him back,
he's the guy that they're going to rely on. He
was the one that kind of carried the torch and
got him off to such a good hot start before
he got hurt. And yet so I think it's the
right move all the way around. You brought somebody in

(01:38:06):
that you knew understood how to play the position, even
if his body wasn't capable of doing it the way
that he once did, and now it's time.

Speaker 2 (01:38:13):
All right, thanks for doing that.

Speaker 6 (01:38:15):
And you know, he looks at it as I got
three bonus games in my career, and you know, now
he'll get to go right off into the sunset for
a second time. And I guess he's saying, that's it.

Speaker 8 (01:38:23):
And he had his whole team at the last game,
which I thought was really cute. They were all in
the stands and this whole family takes up one suite
and that was cute.

Speaker 2 (01:38:30):
And so he has to wait five more years to
get into the Hall of He'll be fine, They'll be fine.
He's still going to get there. The best way to
bring in the New Year is throwing your own house
party with.

Speaker 8 (01:38:41):
Friends, correct correct only way we do it, although we
used to do it at our house and then we
go to another friend's house. But yes, it's sweats and
Pj's bottles of champagne New Year's on television. Kids are happy,
parents are happy, everyone's home and safe.

Speaker 2 (01:38:55):
I used to feel this way. I've gone a few
of these, and I used to feel the exact same way.
And then there was one year. I'm just like, man,
I threw this so I didn't have to drive. But
now either everybody else has to have a designated driver
or you know, or I got to worry about them.

(01:39:15):
Did they have too much? So now I'm wondering, and
I've never tried this before, like a staycation with a couple.
Wonder if that would be fun?

Speaker 6 (01:39:24):
That'd be fun, yeah, cable, I wouldn't want to do
it with just another couple. To me, that would be
I mean, I guess if I have some good friends
and it would be enjoyable, but I like having more
people to mingle with. I think that it seems like
the best is your own house party, because yes, you
don't have to drive, but you got to clean up

(01:39:46):
and you got to set up. The best is what
we did last year, and we're doing it again this year.
Go into a neighbor's house that is crawling distance from
your own.

Speaker 3 (01:39:56):
Home or a golf cart distance. That's what we do.
That's why we're Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:39:58):
I think you're right. I think that's just meander over.

Speaker 6 (01:40:02):
Yes, I might take the tractor, load the family up
on the tractor, drive down the road a little bit.
It can carry a lot of beer and other things. Uh,
then I don't have to clean up the mess from fireworks,
you know. And yet it's it's good. This is a
good one where there's a lot of kids there, it's
a lot of jiu jitsu people, so you feel really safe.

Speaker 12 (01:40:21):
Okay, nobody's going to beat you out. There was a
lot of competitions you could get beat up, right. It's
it's a very dangerous place but very safe. Like if
some random person tries to crash that party. They are
choked out, yeah, and yet.

Speaker 6 (01:40:34):
So I feel very safe and at the same time
I have to guard my neck the entire time, make
sure get choked out. But the kids all have a
good time together. It's it's a fun party. And yeah
I can just watermelon crawl home if I want.

Speaker 10 (01:40:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:40:47):
See that's what we used to do, but yeah, now
we do. It's golf cart distance. So the Edelman's host
and we just go there.

Speaker 2 (01:40:52):
Edelman's Julian Edelman. It was a good party.

Speaker 7 (01:40:55):
Yah.

Speaker 2 (01:40:55):
Now you don't have to worry about the you know,
somebody puking in your bathroom, and you don't have to
worry about the g I probably need to stay. Do
you have a place I can crash? Right, Yeah, you
don't have to worry about that. Yeah, you're right, Good job, judge,
You're welcome, all right. Next one, final one, squeeze a
baseball one in before the end of the year. Brendan
Donovan could help the Mariners in twenty twenty six, but

(01:41:15):
the reported asking price is so offensive. I don't want him.
Even if the MS get him at an eventual good price,
I'm too offended to want him.

Speaker 3 (01:41:25):
Now, what's the current asking price? I saw something with
ur Angelo said Jay.

Speaker 2 (01:41:28):
Yeah right, yeah, well part of it, I guess.

Speaker 3 (01:41:31):
I don't want to trade since j at all.

Speaker 8 (01:41:34):
I want to be able to see him actually come
into the major leagues with the Mariners and do stuff
for the Maritors. I mean, how many people have a
pitcher that can throw with both arms at the same time.

Speaker 2 (01:41:45):
Come on, I'll trade him, but I'm trading him for
somebody better than Brendan Donnov. Oh yeah, I fear if
we have Brendan Donovan and I think he'd be an
asset to the Mariners. I'm going to hold it against
him the whole time he's here, how much they've apparently
thought he was worth. Yeah, Gavel, Gavel, I.

Speaker 6 (01:42:02):
Would trade for him. I would trade for him even
if it was Jurangelo. Sinjay right now, I don't know
why I'm not a giant not to say that he
won't turn out to be anything. We don't know if
he'll turn out to be good at the big league level.
Sinjay is what we're talking about, whereas Donovan is a
now and a piece that will help you right now,
and it's right now time. I don't know when or

(01:42:25):
if cin Jay will be a factor in this team,
for this team in the future. You figure that he
will typically first round pitchers do and and he does
throw with both arms, and it's kind of a cool,
novelty thing. And now I just don't know for sure.
So to me, I'd go ahead and I'd make that move.
If that's what it took to get him, was to
give up a guy that you think maybe will go
on and be something crazy special like we've never seen before.

(01:42:49):
I'll do that because right now I don't know if
that's truly going to come to fruition for him. And
I do know that you need some upgrades, and Donovan
would do that.

Speaker 2 (01:42:57):
I just fear that spring spaying and we're going to interview,
and I'm gonna say you weren't worth nearly as much
as what Cardinal fans thought you were.

Speaker 3 (01:43:03):
That's what I'm afraid you're gonna say too. But at
the same time, I kind.

Speaker 2 (01:43:06):
Of enjoy it.

Speaker 6 (01:43:07):
I will allow him to git you with my gavel
if that happened, to check you out.

Speaker 2 (01:43:11):
One last thing to close out the year. Next Sports
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