October 2, 2024 • 36 mins
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- Fat bear week & it feels like there is a cold draft in here
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George
Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Arm Strong and Getty and he Armstrong and Getty.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Governor, just to follow up on that, the question was
can you explain the direancy?
Speaker 4 (00:30):
All I said on this was is I got there
that summer and misspoke on this, So I will just
that's what I've said. So I was in Hong Kong
and China during the democracy protest went in and from
that I learned a lot of what needed to be
in governance.
Speaker 5 (00:50):
Thank you, Governor.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
I found that perfectly satisfiying.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
That was a good moment for Margaret Brennan, who I
am about to complain about because it was just horrific
the moderation.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
But she didn't follow up on that.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
She didn't get let him get away with not answering
that question, and then she let that hang there when
she could have jumped in and rescued him. She just
let that silence hang there. And you haven't finished your thought,
and it doesn't make sense. So we're just gonna sit
here and look at each other for a little bit
and wonder how you hit.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
So today it was one of those moments.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Andrew McCurry or does anybody want any more potato salad?
Speaker 2 (01:29):
That's a good one.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Andrew McCarthy of National Review tweeted this out during the debate.
I was feeling this hard. The media bias in this
debate is nearly as bad as the Trump hairs debate.
It's not as evident because Vance has navigated it brilliantly true.
He also said, after Wall speaks, every CBS question to answer,
rather than inviting him just to respond, is loaded with
a diversion, usually framing a Trump position inaccurately. He handles
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it with good cheer and poise, but it's you know,
it is a form of bias.
Speaker 6 (02:00):
Absolutely, just talking about the idea of illegal immigration, perhaps
kicking certain people out of the country. Are you going
to separate parents from their children who will be ripped
crying from the bosom of their mother?
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Wait?
Speaker 7 (02:12):
What, how?
Speaker 2 (02:12):
What this is our immigration question? Yeah? It was unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
And when then we go to Walls, they would just say,
what's your immigration plan? Let him lay it out with uh.
With Vance, you try to put him on the defensive
right from the get going. One more tweet from Andy McCarthy,
who we've had on the show many times. CBS doesn't
think anyone sees this. When they ask Vance to respond,
they loaded the question to Shield Walls. Last answer when
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they ask Walls to respond, it's however you want to respond,
big guy, and still Vance is in command.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
But that is right.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Walls would give an answer that it didn't quite make sense,
and instead of just going to Vans and letting him
respond to that and point that out, they would, you know,
try to put him on the defensive with some quote
often incorrect or fact right.
Speaker 6 (02:57):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, a pattern over and over again. So
Katie Greener esteemed to use woman joins us And this
is just a quick aside, but I find myself as
a bit of a wordsmith trying to avoid venting my
discontent with the moderator ladies by using female specific insults, empathets,
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whatever you want to call it, because it feels sexist
to me, and it's a funny aspect of the language,
probably because men and women are very different that if
I'm angry at the performance of a woman, I'm going
to go to a woman's specific word. You know what
I'm saying. Yeah, we all know what that list is
you as darling woman? Darling is one of them? No,
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it's not on my list, sweems. What list are you
looking at?
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Sweetheart? There you go?
Speaker 6 (03:51):
Right, So you as a woman, if you are thinking, no,
O'Donnell and what's her face?
Speaker 2 (03:59):
The Brennan are Margaret? They call her.
Speaker 6 (04:04):
Are doing a terrible job that bias. Would you use
a female specific term there?
Speaker 5 (04:13):
I think you absolutely could.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Yeah, well, I mean, but you just if you're in
real life?
Speaker 6 (04:18):
What'd you think of the moderators last night TC?
Speaker 2 (04:23):
There are many options, yeah, many many letters.
Speaker 8 (04:27):
Not to go down the like swear word, call him
a couple of cat ladies, nitwitz, I like that.
Speaker 6 (04:36):
So I think I just need to go with gender
neutral terms because I would not want to be thought
of as a misogynist, because I'm not so just jackass.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Of course that's male specific, isn't.
Speaker 8 (04:49):
Dang bats Bembo's Bembo's is kind of ama.
Speaker 6 (04:54):
That's female, right, yeah, No, if if it were a fellow,
I might tie him to his gen and.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Colin right, yeah, yeah, exactly, you know, might be gentle
related nickname, but a.
Speaker 5 (05:06):
Couple of jumps, I don't know.
Speaker 6 (05:08):
Yeah, yeah, I just it's funny anyway.
Speaker 8 (05:12):
I can see what you mean though, because it would
sound like it degrading, which I don't understand. I don't
know where in that line of communication that happened.
Speaker 6 (05:18):
But a couple of smug phonies, lying biased advocates for
one side over the other, pretending to be neutral.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
I can't stand them all. True, but Joe dropped some
unkind no.
Speaker 6 (05:31):
No, hey, hey, behind closed doors privileged communication, attorney client
something or other.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
Right ones, though more so than the ones we can
stay on the air.
Speaker 6 (05:43):
Yeah, well anyway, so, yeah, they're horribly biased. But I
thought mister Vance held his own quite nicely, and Tim
Walls came off as a bald headed Sarah Palin. But
it depends who you ask, what poles you look at.
It could be the eye of the beholder.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Certainly, Sarah Palin killed in that first debate by the
way she was in absolutely true.
Speaker 6 (06:02):
Yeah, it was only later that her lack of depths.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Walls did not run out.
Speaker 7 (06:08):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Again, the short poles are roughly even, I think, because
so many people are just buried in there.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
I'm for this side or not or that side. Yeah,
I would.
Speaker 6 (06:19):
I would love to see them somehow restrict poles, although
you couldn't too. Are you an undecided voter in a
swing state? If the answers no move on.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Everybody would love if you could poll just undecided voters
in swing states that because that's the whole game.
Speaker 6 (06:34):
Well right, Because if you're a decided voter, there's a
very very small chance that you found jd Vance so
transcendent you've decided to vote for Trump almosting already decided
to vote for Harris.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
So those poles are are kind of silly.
Speaker 6 (06:48):
Anyway, to the substance of the debate, the one topic
everyone can agree is incredibly important, the economy. Michael will
start with sixty in roll from there.
Speaker 9 (06:57):
A lot of what Kamala Harris proposes to do, and
some of it, I'll be honest with you, it even
sounds pretty good. Here's what you want here is that
Kamala Harris has already done it. Because she's been the
Vice president for three and a half years, she had
the opportunity to enact all of these great policies, and
what she's actually done instead is drive the cost of
food higher by twenty five percent, drive the cost of
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housing higher by about sixty percent. Open the American southern
border and make middle class life unaffordable for a large
number of Americans. If Kamala Harris has such great plans
for how to address middle class problems, then she ought
to do them now, not one asking for promotion, but
in the job the American people gave her three and
a half years ago, And the fact that she isn't
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tells you a lot about how much you can trust
her actual plans.
Speaker 6 (07:46):
Number one theme in our email this morning drop us
a note mail bag at Armstrong and Geddy dot com.
Number one theme by far not even close, is I
wish Jade Vance could be the candidate because he's able
to clearly articulate the case against Kamala Harris like he
did right there.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
It was really good stuff.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Yeah, that was a take by a couple of my
favorite pundits that I was watching last night. Is it
was a great night for JD. Vance's political career. It
may not have changed anything with this current presidential election,
but it was really good for him as a guy
who's only forty years old and his future in twenty
eight thirty two, She's thirty eight, forty six.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Whatever the next numbers are.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Because he's only forty and since we're willing to elect
eighty year old, he's got a long way to go.
Speaker 6 (08:33):
Well now, to be fair, let's give the Florida old
coach Waltz, who's fresh back from tian Men Square where
he was participating in the Apollo program.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Next clip, Michael.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
My pro tip of the day is this, if you
need heart surgery, listen to the people at the Mayo
Clinic in Rochester, Minnesota.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Not Donald Trump, Governor.
Speaker 9 (08:49):
You say, trust the experts, But those same experts for
forty years said that if we shipped our manufacturing base.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Off to China, we'd get cheaper goods. They lied about that.
Speaker 9 (08:58):
They said if we shipped our industry base off to
other countries, to Mexico and elsewhere, it would make the
middle class stronger.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
They were wrong about that.
Speaker 9 (09:06):
They were wrong about the idea that if we made
America less self reliant, less productive in our own nation,
that it would somehow make us better off.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
And they were wrong about it.
Speaker 9 (09:16):
And for the first time in a generation, Donald Trump
had the wisdom and the courage to say, to that
bipartisan consensus, we're not doing it anymore.
Speaker 6 (09:27):
I'm reminded of Churchill's famous rejoinder when he was pointing
out that he'd changed his position on an issue, and
he said, the facts have changed, so I've changed my opinion.
And a lot of the philosophies of the twentieth century
in terms of trade and economics, I think they're no
longer valid because the world has changed so much, and
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you're seeing that on the Republican side of the aisle.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
More and more voters are saying, yeah.
Speaker 6 (09:51):
The free trade thing lovely as far as it went,
but not anymore, especially because we're in bed with our
greatest geopolitical adversary, that is, as we speak, figuring out
how to bring us to Ruin through every gizmo they
send us and every bit of trade they engage in.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
There is no specific questions about China at all, or
the war between Russia and Ukraine, or the debt. Of
course that never comes up. Debt and spending never comes up,
so that's that's not unique here.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
It is part is an issue in its way. Yeah,
it is.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
It's crazy that Ukraine and Russia didn't come up, especially
since jd. Vance is a pretty extreme position on it,
has said some pretty extreme things about it. I'm surprised
they didn't use that as an opportunity to attack him,
but that, yeah, didn't come up abortion. We like half
the debate a climate change for like the other half
of the debate abortion climate change.
Speaker 6 (10:44):
Yeah, if you're just tuning in and sometimes we forget
that people you know, come and go and the rest
of it. It was much more gentlemanly and policy focused
than any debate for quite a long time.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
It was.
Speaker 6 (10:56):
It was very very good in a lot of ways.
The moderating wasolutely terrible, and it was weird that they
steered clear of those issues Jack just mentioned. But they
made it seem like the average American woman has an
abortion about as frequently as she goes to the grocery
store once every week or so at least, right, I mean,
like abortion is it's the topic you talk about every
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day among the family.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Have any abortions today, honey?
Speaker 10 (11:22):
No?
Speaker 2 (11:22):
But work was good. It's amazing, it is. It absolutely is.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Oh and by the way, and I've had this story
for weeks and haven't gotten to it because I'm never
in the mood to talk about late term abortion or infanticide.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
But Tim Walls is.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Absolutely freaking either wrong or lying depending on what his
motives are about his role in that law and babies
in Minnesota and babies surviving abortions and whether they die.
The Dispatch had a fact check on her last night,
and there's hardly a news organization in America. I trust
more than the Dispatch to get it right. And they
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have the statistics eight babies died after an abortion because
of they don't offer the services to keep them alive,
as signed by Tim Wall specifically.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
And you know there was no fact checking on that
last night.
Speaker 6 (12:15):
No, indeed, and that is absolutely provable. I wanted to
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Speaker 5 (13:35):
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Speaker 12 (13:39):
In a new swing state, Paul Harris is losing voters
aged sixty five and older by seven points. Yeah, it
seems like older voters might be her biggest weakness, which
explains why she changed her campaign slogan a few times recently.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Yeah, look at this.
Speaker 12 (13:53):
Kamala twenty twenty four, A chair in every shower.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Look at this one.
Speaker 12 (13:58):
Here is Kama twenty two five, where your glasses are
on your head, you're welcome. And finally there's Kamala twenty
twenty four. I'm going to find out where that draft
is coming from.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Like, wow, it's cold right every No, I don't. I
don't appreciate the you know, having.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Sport with the older voter at a restaurant the other night,
and I brought up a cold draft at the restaurant
to the waiter. Oh, my kids mocked me endlessly for that.
Katie's Katie's look on your face?
Speaker 2 (14:35):
What? What did?
Speaker 8 (14:36):
What did the sweet waitress say when you brought up
a cold draft?
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Jack, I said, hasn't anybody ever said that before? She said, no,
put on a shawl or stay at home and you're
really hot, hot house grandpa.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Oh, it's funny. It was freezing.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
I've never been that cold in a restaurant in my life.
Something had gone wrong. It's also like the chair in
the shower joke, that's pretty funny. It's Fat Bear Week
in Alaska, and Joe said, oh, I love Fat Bear Week.
Speaker 6 (15:06):
What's fat I'm a big fan, big fan. They've got
these bear cams where the bears are in the rivers
fishing for the salmon, and and everybody votes on which
bear has gotten the fattest's feasting on the salmon, because
you know with bears, they eat a tremendous amount and
then they hibernate for the winter, which is coming up.
That says like a good plank gets some big, fat,
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grizzly bears and everybody picks their fath I might try
that some year. They've been back to back winners and
then young up starts to come along as very exciting
you can to try the bear.
Speaker 5 (15:37):
We're gonna have a fat Jack.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
I'm gonna get as fat as I can like during
the summer months and then just sleep all winter as
much as like, yeah, perfectly, hardly get out of bed,
just don't eat much, and then wake up.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
We fill out my revenge bod in the spring. Um. Sure,
that's how it works.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
We're gonna talk to a lot of each gen about
last night's debate coming up. He's one of the best
political pundits in America, and he's helped coach people for
debates and.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
All that sort of stuff, so he's got a lot
of knowledge there.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Did you see the guy who bought the Taylor Swift guitar? No,
and then smashed it. So he paid a whole bunch
of money for a Taylor Swift guitar that was up
for sale as like a charity or something like that,
and he bought it, he smashed it.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
He's the sort of YouTube provocateur, that sort of guy.
Of course, people went nuts.
Speaker 8 (16:29):
So they went nuts, and he actually had to well
he well he didn't have to, but he apologized saying
that by destroying it he wasn't meaning to be violent.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Right, And now he's going to do a fundraiser of
some sort of around the smash guitar to raise even
more money for the charity.
Speaker 6 (16:42):
But brings to mind John Hyatt's fabulous, perfectly good guitar.
Great song if you're into the rock and roll music?
Speaker 2 (16:53):
How old can you? How old Jay is? Is? A
old Walls Tim Wall held.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Might be he's sixty turn he just turned sixty, that's
right to remember when he made a big deal out
of his birthday he reads much older, which might be
an advantage in politics mostly, but it's you'd never know
he was the same age as Kamala Harris. I mentioned
that to somebody last night watching the Baby said, no,
he's like seventy eight.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Nice, he's sixty. Yeah, he's sixty.
Speaker 6 (17:21):
I mean it was what thirty thirty five years ago
that he was heavyweight champion of the world and simultaneously
the American League batting champ.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
You're insinuating that he exaggerates about his resume.
Speaker 6 (17:35):
Everything all the time. There's not an aspect of his resume.
His wife is probably just his girlfriend. I mean, he
exaggerates everything.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Mind your own damn business.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Lots of politicians, it turns out, do this, and so
it's got to be when they run for a big office,
when people start looking into their stories, they go, oh, oh,
I've been getting away with this my whole life, the
whole I was at Tieneman Square or whatever you're claiming.
Speaker 6 (17:59):
Oh no, now you people are checking this sort of thing.
I better go through this. Mentally, I'm not sure what's
true and what's not anymore, because it's never mattered.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Did the debate matter, did it move the needle? Among
the things we'll talk to lanahe Chin about coming.
Speaker 8 (18:12):
I'm just stay with us Armstrong and Getty.
Speaker 13 (18:19):
My overall impression is that both men came to seem likable,
and I think it's quite possible that both men achieved
that task.
Speaker 8 (18:30):
I think the lack of interviews that he has done
with national media with local media, it showed he needed more.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Talking about Tim Walls there that second person, I guess
Jake Tapper nailed that on CNN because on their own polling,
both candidates went up by double digits in terms of
their favorability after the debate, So both came came away
more likable, apparently. So I took in a ton of
punditry right after the debate, and it varied from depending
on you know you like going into Walls was either
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nervous and unprepared or seemed like a regular guy up
there because of his nervousness in the way he talks.
And jd Vance was either hold about.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Coronavirus freaking COVID.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Jd Vance was either polished and skilled or slick and
some other word differ, Yeah, something like that. So it's
funny how you know you can call something polished or slick,
and they have two different, two different meanings you're trying
to convey even though they're the same thing.
Speaker 6 (19:36):
Yeah, I love the notion of he seemed like a
regular guy. I think the greatest superpower on Earth has
the right task for an irregular guy, like an exceptional guy,
to lead the country or be second in command.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
But that's just me.
Speaker 6 (19:48):
Let's discuss the debate with Lanai Chen David and Diane
Stephie fellow in American Public Policy Studies at the Uber
Institution and the Director of Domestic Policy Studies at Stanford University.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Lonnie, how are you. I'm fine.
Speaker 7 (20:01):
Great to be with you guys.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
So what was your own expert pundit takeaway after you
watch the debate?
Speaker 7 (20:06):
Well, I don't know about expert.
Speaker 11 (20:07):
I mean, look, I think, first of all, if you're
not an expert, who the hell is an expert?
Speaker 2 (20:11):
You're an expert.
Speaker 7 (20:13):
There are no experts anymore.
Speaker 11 (20:15):
I think, first of all, I was really I guess
I felt really good after the debate because I thought
there was a level of civility and substance to the
conversation that we've been missing in our politics for a while.
I mean, I remember telling my kids like, this is
what politics was like when I was growing up, and
it felt.
Speaker 7 (20:34):
A little bit like that.
Speaker 11 (20:34):
In terms of the impacts, I think both sides will
find things to take from it. I mean, clearly, Vance,
in my view, had the stronger performance on substance and
on style. You know, people can say that Tim Walls
came off like an ordinary guy. The reality is that
I think we do have an expectation that if you're
going to be vice president, you know you're gonna have
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to step up a little bit. And I think the
first let's call it fifteen minutes of the debate for
Walls were not great, and I think that set the
tone for him. I think the other reason why it
felt like Vance had the stronger debate is because there
weren't any moments in the debate that were just major
missteps for Vance, whereas I felt like Walls's answer on
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like were you actually in China for the Tienamen Square
massacre one of the most significant events in world history,
you should be able to remember whether you were there
or not, And the fact that he gave an answer
which was basically like, well, I misspoke that one's going.
Speaker 7 (21:31):
To have a long tail, I fear for Tim Walls.
Speaker 11 (21:34):
If you're a Tim Walls fan or a Harris Van's
a Harris Walls fan, I think there'll be a long
tail on that one. So that moment was the only
one for me that I think could cause trouble for
either campaign down the road.
Speaker 6 (21:48):
My impression was that and this is only relevant for
the undecided voters in swing states. Honestly, I think the
most relevant or important development last night was that JD.
Vance came off as somebody you could picture as president
and Walls did not.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Am I just being biased? No?
Speaker 7 (22:06):
I think Vance passed the test.
Speaker 11 (22:08):
I mean there were two things he had to do
coming into the evening, and in my view, number one
was to paint himself in a more favorable light, because
all of the survey research coming into the debate was
that people viewed JD.
Speaker 7 (22:20):
Unfavorably.
Speaker 11 (22:21):
Now I don't know why, in particular, given that you
know he aside from the couple comments he's made, I
don't know that there's been a whole lot out there
about him. So I think that the first thing was
he had to paint himself in a more favorable light.
Speaker 7 (22:33):
The second thing was.
Speaker 11 (22:34):
He had to make Kamala Harris into the incumbent. That
was his goal in this debate, in case that wasn't
obvious to people, is to basically say, listen, for all
the things that Kamala Harris has said about trying to
solve America's problems, She's had an opportunity to solve them
for the last three and a half years and she
hasn't done so. So on both of those accounts, I
thought Vance was successful.
Speaker 7 (22:55):
Walls, you know.
Speaker 11 (22:56):
I mean, look, I think the first fifteen minutes of
debate were very problematic for him and that will carry through,
even though I do think he found his footing and
did have some moments in the so let's say the
last hour of the debate. I just think you're right
that this was a stronger debate for Vance and we'll
have a longer tail of advantage for the Trump Vance ticket.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
So I hate to even bring this topic up because
it's kind of tired, but it seems to be getting worse.
And even some of my favorite pundits said, oh my god,
not again. CBS was practically as bad as ABC with
the whole it's going to be three on one. Is
there anything the Republicans can do about it. They said,
no fact checking, and then of course there they were
fact checking the Republican.
Speaker 7 (23:38):
Yeah, it's very challenging.
Speaker 11 (23:40):
I think this has been a challenging cycle for the
media and I think what if anything this demonstrates to
me at least, is that the old system we had.
You may remember before this campaign, we had a commission
on presidential debates and they tended to vet. They didn't
tend to they did they vetted and picked the moderators.
And not that the moderators pre twenty twenty four were
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universally good. I mean, I remember Candy Crowley being atrocious
in twenty twelve.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
You had to mass how I think you were on
that campaign with the believe me.
Speaker 7 (24:08):
I mean that was had to that.
Speaker 11 (24:11):
I mean you talk about the ultimate, uh biased fact check.
Speaker 7 (24:14):
That was it.
Speaker 11 (24:15):
But but you know, for the as a general matter,
putting Candy and maybe one other example like a big
of a side like they they had reasonably good moderators.
And I think what we found now that the media
organizations have taken over the debates in this cycle is
that the moderation has been much more uneven. And to
your point, you know, if you're going to say at
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the outset we're not going to fact check, then don't
fact check, right, I mean, be one way or the other.
If you're going to say, like listen, we're going to
fact check, then do it and do it evenly with
both candidates. Because there were things, you know, they could
have pressed Walls a lot harder. On the tenement square thing.
I think they did press them a little bit. They
should have pressed them a little bit more. There are
several of the things during this campaign that have been
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said by Walls about his background that are questionable. Those
are things they should have fact checked or at least
put out there. The fact that that wasn't done, to me,
suggests that we need to go back to a system
where there's a mutual agreement on moderators.
Speaker 7 (25:10):
And that's really that.
Speaker 11 (25:11):
Really give some thought to that ahead of time, because
I agree thus far I think the moderation in this
cycle hasn't been great.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Just in general.
Speaker 6 (25:17):
Do you think last night's debate was more important than
most VP debates, which have been completely unimportant in the past.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
I don't know.
Speaker 11 (25:27):
My gut tells me no, it's going to be pretty
much the same. And again, there wasn't a huge viral moment.
I mean, if you think back to VP debates in
the past, when they've really stood out, it's been you know,
when Lloyd Benson went after I think it was Dan Quayle,
when Quayle compared himself to John F. Kennedy and Benson said,
you know, I knew him, he was a friend, you know,
Jack Kennedy.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
That was a moment.
Speaker 11 (25:49):
There have been moments in these debates that have stood out.
That's the only way in which a VP debate does
tend to have a lasting influence on public opinion. And
I just didn't see it night, so to me, at least,
you know, when you see some short term movement, yes,
does it affect the trajectory of the race as being
a very close race? It's going to be tightly contested
in the six or seven states we're talking about. No,
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I think this debate did not have that kind of influence.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Saw.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
I was reminded yesterday reading a couple of different pieces
from pundits that the Harris Walls ticket is the most
liberal ticket in US history by a major party, and
I had forgotten that. I mean, it clearly is the
Trump campaign somehow needs to do a better job of
just hammering that over and over and over again to
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where even if people decide that's the direction they want
to go, knowing that's the direction they're.
Speaker 11 (26:40):
Going, that is the direction they need to go in.
And I mean, if you look at again, if you
look at what the research tells us, that is the
point on which Harris Walls are most vulnerable, which is
this notion that they are well to the left of
the American mainstream. And I think actually last night JD.
Vance demonstrated what a concerted and substantive attack on some
of those fronts. Looks like he was a very focused
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debater last night, which I think is of course in
contrast to Trump, because when Trump's up there, he talks
about whatever Trump wants to talk about, right, and that's
not nearly as focused as Vance. I thought Vance was
very effective because he did prosecute some of that case
last night. But I agree completely with you that the
only way I think that they continue to make headway
that the Trump dance ticket is by emphasizing how and
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to what degree the Democratic ticket is is to the
left of where the American mainstream is on many issues,
not just by the way I think their proposals have
moderated quite frankly. If you look at the proposals that
they put out there during the last couple of weeks,
they appear very moderate. But if you look at their
governing histories, both Kamala Harris and Tim Walls, you do
have a very left of center record, particularly in Walls.
Speaker 7 (27:46):
I mean, Walls has done.
Speaker 11 (27:47):
Some wacky things in Minnesota, and the Trump dance ticket
needs to figure out a way to get that out there.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
One day, Lon Heatchen is running for governor of California,
and we're going to do everything in our power to
get you over the top.
Speaker 11 (28:01):
Well, I appreciate that it's gonna have to be a
very different world than the one we live in now.
It's birth two on which that happens.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Unfortunately.
Speaker 6 (28:12):
Yeah, well, and I was just gonna say, if undecided
voters a fall for the whole no no, no, I'll
govern is a moderate thing. Again, that will be very
frustrating for me. So, lanhie Chen of the Hoover Institution,
Stanford University, you have an event tonight, I believe, not
far from the radio ranch in scenic Sacramento, California.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
What's going on?
Speaker 11 (28:31):
Yeah, we'll be up there in Sacramento talking about the
election with some folks from the Sacramento area. So if
people are interested, it's a Sacramento County Republican Party event,
they can check it out.
Speaker 7 (28:44):
And you know, would love to see you there and
would love.
Speaker 11 (28:46):
To talk more about last night's debate and what we
think is going to happen in the elections and just
have a great chat. I love being up in sacrament
I think it's been a little hot up there today,
but aside from that, Aside from that, I always love
being in the area and look forward to seeing some
old friend.
Speaker 6 (29:00):
Why two revelations there turns out there is a Republican
Party in Sacramento, California, and Sacramento, apparently.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Is there talking to me from the control room, is.
Speaker 6 (29:09):
The capital of California. Lanihe Chen, thanks so much. Great
to talk to you as always.
Speaker 7 (29:14):
Hey, great to be with you guys.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Take care yep.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Yeah, we had a private conversation with Lonnie and we
went out to dinner with him when we were at
the convention, and I don't think he would mind us
sharing this and that he's pretty pessimistic about politics in
California getting any better anytime. Soon as well he should be,
which is just depressing as hell.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Doomed.
Speaker 7 (29:34):
Doom.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
You can get doomed if you become a one party state, Yeah,
particularly if one party has captured certain institutions like public
employee unions that can turn out enough vote and to
get into this circular money thing where they give each
other money.
Speaker 6 (29:51):
And so it's just the average voter cannot break through.
It's I read, Oh, I held on to it now
I can't remember where. It is an absolutely elegant way
to express That's what I've been talking about for years,
which is if you have concentrated benefit but disperate cost,
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the benefit people will always win because they really really
make out, but the cost is spread across the entire
tax base, and so those people never like come together
and rise up and the scam. And California is all
about that scam.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Often playing a big role, certainly in California Union. Speaking
of that topic, that didn't come up last night, the
big long shortman strike. The guy that's the head of
that union is quite a piece of work. If you
don't know his whole story.
Speaker 6 (30:41):
Yeah, I actually don't want to talk about him, because
when I go to sleep tonight, I don't want it
to be with the fishes if you follow me, Wow,
what are you hinting at?
Speaker 2 (30:49):
So that's coming up? Discuss right?
Speaker 10 (30:52):
All right?
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Shut up, we get it.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
The Democrats are the party unions, and one of the
biggest unions in the country's on striker right now. The
long sharman didn't come up on the debate last night
because it wouldn't have been good for.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
The left, so they didn't want to get into that topic.
I guess. So let's get into it now.
Speaker 6 (31:11):
Ladies and gentlemen, we give you the head of the
long Shoreman's Union, Herald Jade Daggett.
Speaker 9 (31:17):
Are you worried that this strike is gonna hurt the
everyday American?
Speaker 2 (31:20):
The farmers that need to read they reached the export market.
They're telling me that they're gonna hurt them.
Speaker 10 (31:24):
Start to realize who the long shoremen are, right, nobody
can keep and Nevi gave it about us until now
when they finally realize that the chain is being broke. Now,
cars won't come in, food won't come in, clothing won't
come in. You know how many people depend on odd
jobs half the world, and it's time for them, and
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time for Washington to put so much pressure on them
to take care of us, because we took care of
them and we're here one hundred and thirty five years
and brought to where they are today, and they don't
want to share.
Speaker 6 (31:56):
These people today don't know what a strike is, said
a fiery mister Daggett.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
I'll cripple you. I will cripple you.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
And he doesn't sound like the kind of guy that's
mobbed up out of a movie at all, or exactly.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
It's like he was. He was like he was a
paid actor.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
I want you to portray a union boss is mobbed up. Okay,
I think I can do it. You know, we need
to do another take. That was a little over the top.
Can we ease back on that a little bit so.
Speaker 6 (32:28):
Daggett's work at the union has sometimes attracted the attention
of authorities who've previously accused him of mob ties, a
claims he has denied.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
Really he said, he didn't say, you got me.
Speaker 6 (32:39):
In five he stood trial in Brooklyn on wire and
mail fraud charges alongside another ILA official and an alleged mobster,
accused of steering union benefits to contracts to firms that
paid kickbacks to organized crime. Again, I say witnesses testified
the Daggett was elevated. This is witnesses under oath in
public testifying Daggitt was elevated through the ila by the
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mob because he was an associate of the Genevese crime family.
He denies it, said he's terrified of crime families and
went out of his way to avoid them. He says
they forget about it. The three defendants were acquitted. Lawrence Ricci,
the defendant alleged to be a Genovi's crime family member,
went missing during the trial and was later found partly
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decomposed in the trunk of a car outside the Huck
Finn Diner in Scenic Union, New Jersey.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
That is too much.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
I mean, that is too on the nose to even
be believable. So this guy you just heard from that
has the longshoreman on strike, that's costing the country five
billion dollars a day. And there are now forty ships
backed up off the coast in the Gulf forty. There
were a couple yesterday, forty today. It'll be two hundred
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by next week if this keeps going anyway. So that
guy's on trial and one of the key witnesses disappears
and is found in the true bunk up a car
behind a diner in New Jersey, like it's out of
a bad Sopranos copy show clarification.
Speaker 6 (34:07):
He was one of the defendants. And it's pretty obvious
that the family thought this guy's gonna crack. I can
tell by looking at it. He's gonna crack. Gotcha? So
he went to sleep in a trunk and decomposed. It
could happen to anybody. Oh, let's see. So Daggett has
called leave a drunk. He called the allegations of mob
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influenced total bullless in a dark, ugly attack on Italian America.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
How dare you?
Speaker 6 (34:33):
Last year, according to the US Labor Department filings, he
earned seven hundred and twenty eight thousand dollars as head
of the ILA and a further one hundred and seventy
three grand as president emeritus of the Mechanics Local Chapter
at Port Newark. His son Dennis, who has senior roles
in both groups, was paid a total of more than
seven hundred thousand dollars himself.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Wow, so Dad's getting about a million dollars a year
and with benefits would be worth a lot more than that,
because I heard him talking about their vacation and the
healthcare plans they have and everything like that, and then
the way you get to use vacation time blah blah blah,
and then his son's making crazy money.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Wow.
Speaker 6 (35:13):
Leaving the cargo terminal in Elizabeth, New Jersey, New Jersey,
early Tuesday morning, he suggested in his gruff manner that
he and ILA members are digging in for a lengthy showdown.
Somebody asked him how long the strike might last, and
the poet Laureate of American Labor said, and I quote,
I don't have an effing crystal ball between my legs,
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but it will last very long.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
I would tell you that. Woh my god, Wow my god.
Speaker 6 (35:47):
When you don't even feel like you have to pretend anymore,
that's what's most amazing about this.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
And you've seen this with the United autoworkers sometimes too.
They feel so untouchable they can just basically say it
out loud. Yeah I'm mobbed up. Yeah I'm rich. He
drives a Bentley, this guy, so he's not it's not
like he's trying to hide his success.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (36:09):
He and P Diddy could probably compare notes on feeling untouchable.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
But you're right.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
The fact that they don't feel like they even need
to pretend that they're not what they are, Yeah, is
how untouchable they feel and have been for a very
long time.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
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Speaker 3 (00:24):
Governor, just to follow up on that, the question was
can you explain the direancy?
Speaker 4 (00:30):
All I said on this was is I got there
that summer and misspoke on this, So I will just
that's what I've said. So I was in Hong Kong
and China during the democracy protest went in and from
that I learned a lot of what needed to be
in governance.
Speaker 5 (00:50):
Thank you, Governor.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
I found that perfectly satisfiying.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
That was a good moment for Margaret Brennan, who I
am about to complain about because it was just horrific
the moderation.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
But she didn't follow up on that.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
She didn't get let him get away with not answering
that question, and then she let that hang there when
she could have jumped in and rescued him. She just
let that silence hang there. And you haven't finished your thought,
and it doesn't make sense. So we're just gonna sit
here and look at each other for a little bit
and wonder how you hit.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
So today it was one of those moments.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Andrew McCurry or does anybody want any more potato salad?
Speaker 2 (01:29):
That's a good one.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Andrew McCarthy of National Review tweeted this out during the debate.
I was feeling this hard. The media bias in this
debate is nearly as bad as the Trump hairs debate.
It's not as evident because Vance has navigated it brilliantly true.
He also said, after Wall speaks, every CBS question to answer,
rather than inviting him just to respond, is loaded with
a diversion, usually framing a Trump position inaccurately. He handles
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it with good cheer and poise, but it's you know,
it is a form of bias.
Speaker 6 (02:00):
Absolutely, just talking about the idea of illegal immigration, perhaps
kicking certain people out of the country. Are you going
to separate parents from their children who will be ripped
crying from the bosom of their mother?
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Wait?
Speaker 7 (02:12):
What, how?
Speaker 2 (02:12):
What this is our immigration question? Yeah? It was unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
And when then we go to Walls, they would just say,
what's your immigration plan? Let him lay it out with uh.
With Vance, you try to put him on the defensive
right from the get going. One more tweet from Andy McCarthy,
who we've had on the show many times. CBS doesn't
think anyone sees this. When they ask Vance to respond,
they loaded the question to Shield Walls. Last answer when
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they ask Walls to respond, it's however you want to respond,
big guy, and still Vance is in command.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
But that is right.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Walls would give an answer that it didn't quite make sense,
and instead of just going to Vans and letting him
respond to that and point that out, they would, you know,
try to put him on the defensive with some quote
often incorrect or fact right.
Speaker 6 (02:57):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, a pattern over and over again. So
Katie Greener esteemed to use woman joins us And this
is just a quick aside, but I find myself as
a bit of a wordsmith trying to avoid venting my
discontent with the moderator ladies by using female specific insults, empathets,
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whatever you want to call it, because it feels sexist
to me, and it's a funny aspect of the language,
probably because men and women are very different that if
I'm angry at the performance of a woman, I'm going
to go to a woman's specific word. You know what
I'm saying. Yeah, we all know what that list is
you as darling woman? Darling is one of them? No,
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it's not on my list, sweems. What list are you
looking at?
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Sweetheart? There you go?
Speaker 6 (03:51):
Right, So you as a woman, if you are thinking, no,
O'Donnell and what's her face?
Speaker 2 (03:59):
The Brennan are Margaret? They call her.
Speaker 6 (04:04):
Are doing a terrible job that bias. Would you use
a female specific term there?
Speaker 5 (04:13):
I think you absolutely could.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Yeah, well, I mean, but you just if you're in
real life?
Speaker 6 (04:18):
What'd you think of the moderators last night TC?
Speaker 2 (04:23):
There are many options, yeah, many many letters.
Speaker 8 (04:27):
Not to go down the like swear word, call him
a couple of cat ladies, nitwitz, I like that.
Speaker 6 (04:36):
So I think I just need to go with gender
neutral terms because I would not want to be thought
of as a misogynist, because I'm not so just jackass.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Of course that's male specific, isn't.
Speaker 8 (04:49):
Dang bats Bembo's Bembo's is kind of ama.
Speaker 6 (04:54):
That's female, right, yeah, No, if if it were a fellow,
I might tie him to his gen and.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Colin right, yeah, yeah, exactly, you know, might be gentle
related nickname, but a.
Speaker 5 (05:06):
Couple of jumps, I don't know.
Speaker 6 (05:08):
Yeah, yeah, I just it's funny anyway.
Speaker 8 (05:12):
I can see what you mean though, because it would
sound like it degrading, which I don't understand. I don't
know where in that line of communication that happened.
Speaker 6 (05:18):
But a couple of smug phonies, lying biased advocates for
one side over the other, pretending to be neutral.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
I can't stand them all. True, but Joe dropped some
unkind no.
Speaker 6 (05:31):
No, hey, hey, behind closed doors privileged communication, attorney client
something or other.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
Right ones, though more so than the ones we can
stay on the air.
Speaker 6 (05:43):
Yeah, well anyway, so, yeah, they're horribly biased. But I
thought mister Vance held his own quite nicely, and Tim
Walls came off as a bald headed Sarah Palin. But
it depends who you ask, what poles you look at.
It could be the eye of the beholder.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Certainly, Sarah Palin killed in that first debate by the
way she was in absolutely true.
Speaker 6 (06:02):
Yeah, it was only later that her lack of depths.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Walls did not run out.
Speaker 7 (06:08):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Again, the short poles are roughly even, I think, because
so many people are just buried in there.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
I'm for this side or not or that side. Yeah,
I would.
Speaker 6 (06:19):
I would love to see them somehow restrict poles, although
you couldn't too. Are you an undecided voter in a
swing state? If the answers no move on.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Everybody would love if you could poll just undecided voters
in swing states that because that's the whole game.
Speaker 6 (06:34):
Well right, Because if you're a decided voter, there's a
very very small chance that you found jd Vance so
transcendent you've decided to vote for Trump almosting already decided
to vote for Harris.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
So those poles are are kind of silly.
Speaker 6 (06:48):
Anyway, to the substance of the debate, the one topic
everyone can agree is incredibly important, the economy. Michael will
start with sixty in roll from there.
Speaker 9 (06:57):
A lot of what Kamala Harris proposes to do, and
some of it, I'll be honest with you, it even
sounds pretty good. Here's what you want here is that
Kamala Harris has already done it. Because she's been the
Vice president for three and a half years, she had
the opportunity to enact all of these great policies, and
what she's actually done instead is drive the cost of
food higher by twenty five percent, drive the cost of
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housing higher by about sixty percent. Open the American southern
border and make middle class life unaffordable for a large
number of Americans. If Kamala Harris has such great plans
for how to address middle class problems, then she ought
to do them now, not one asking for promotion, but
in the job the American people gave her three and
a half years ago, And the fact that she isn't
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tells you a lot about how much you can trust
her actual plans.
Speaker 6 (07:46):
Number one theme in our email this morning drop us
a note mail bag at Armstrong and Geddy dot com.
Number one theme by far not even close, is I
wish Jade Vance could be the candidate because he's able
to clearly articulate the case against Kamala Harris like he
did right there.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
It was really good stuff.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Yeah, that was a take by a couple of my
favorite pundits that I was watching last night. Is it
was a great night for JD. Vance's political career. It
may not have changed anything with this current presidential election,
but it was really good for him as a guy
who's only forty years old and his future in twenty
eight thirty two, She's thirty eight, forty six.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Whatever the next numbers are.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Because he's only forty and since we're willing to elect
eighty year old, he's got a long way to go.
Speaker 6 (08:33):
Well now, to be fair, let's give the Florida old
coach Waltz, who's fresh back from tian Men Square where
he was participating in the Apollo program.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Next clip, Michael.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
My pro tip of the day is this, if you
need heart surgery, listen to the people at the Mayo
Clinic in Rochester, Minnesota.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Not Donald Trump, Governor.
Speaker 9 (08:49):
You say, trust the experts, But those same experts for
forty years said that if we shipped our manufacturing base.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Off to China, we'd get cheaper goods. They lied about that.
Speaker 9 (08:58):
They said if we shipped our industry base off to
other countries, to Mexico and elsewhere, it would make the
middle class stronger.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
They were wrong about that.
Speaker 9 (09:06):
They were wrong about the idea that if we made
America less self reliant, less productive in our own nation,
that it would somehow make us better off.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
And they were wrong about it.
Speaker 9 (09:16):
And for the first time in a generation, Donald Trump
had the wisdom and the courage to say, to that
bipartisan consensus, we're not doing it anymore.
Speaker 6 (09:27):
I'm reminded of Churchill's famous rejoinder when he was pointing
out that he'd changed his position on an issue, and
he said, the facts have changed, so I've changed my opinion.
And a lot of the philosophies of the twentieth century
in terms of trade and economics, I think they're no
longer valid because the world has changed so much, and
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you're seeing that on the Republican side of the aisle.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
More and more voters are saying, yeah.
Speaker 6 (09:51):
The free trade thing lovely as far as it went,
but not anymore, especially because we're in bed with our
greatest geopolitical adversary, that is, as we speak, figuring out
how to bring us to Ruin through every gizmo they
send us and every bit of trade they engage in.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
There is no specific questions about China at all, or
the war between Russia and Ukraine, or the debt. Of
course that never comes up. Debt and spending never comes up,
so that's that's not unique here.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
It is part is an issue in its way. Yeah,
it is.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
It's crazy that Ukraine and Russia didn't come up, especially
since jd. Vance is a pretty extreme position on it,
has said some pretty extreme things about it. I'm surprised
they didn't use that as an opportunity to attack him,
but that, yeah, didn't come up abortion. We like half
the debate a climate change for like the other half
of the debate abortion climate change.
Speaker 6 (10:44):
Yeah, if you're just tuning in and sometimes we forget
that people you know, come and go and the rest
of it. It was much more gentlemanly and policy focused
than any debate for quite a long time.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
It was.
Speaker 6 (10:56):
It was very very good in a lot of ways.
The moderating wasolutely terrible, and it was weird that they
steered clear of those issues Jack just mentioned. But they
made it seem like the average American woman has an
abortion about as frequently as she goes to the grocery
store once every week or so at least, right, I mean,
like abortion is it's the topic you talk about every
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day among the family.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Have any abortions today, honey?
Speaker 10 (11:22):
No?
Speaker 2 (11:22):
But work was good. It's amazing, it is. It absolutely is.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Oh and by the way, and I've had this story
for weeks and haven't gotten to it because I'm never
in the mood to talk about late term abortion or infanticide.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
But Tim Walls is.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Absolutely freaking either wrong or lying depending on what his
motives are about his role in that law and babies
in Minnesota and babies surviving abortions and whether they die.
The Dispatch had a fact check on her last night,
and there's hardly a news organization in America. I trust
more than the Dispatch to get it right. And they
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have the statistics eight babies died after an abortion because
of they don't offer the services to keep them alive,
as signed by Tim Wall specifically.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
And you know there was no fact checking on that
last night.
Speaker 6 (12:15):
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Speaker 5 (13:35):
Armstrong and Yetti, I'll get this.
Speaker 12 (13:39):
In a new swing state, Paul Harris is losing voters
aged sixty five and older by seven points. Yeah, it
seems like older voters might be her biggest weakness, which
explains why she changed her campaign slogan a few times recently.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Yeah, look at this.
Speaker 12 (13:53):
Kamala twenty twenty four, A chair in every shower.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Look at this one.
Speaker 12 (13:58):
Here is Kama twenty two five, where your glasses are
on your head, you're welcome. And finally there's Kamala twenty
twenty four. I'm going to find out where that draft
is coming from.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Like, wow, it's cold right every No, I don't. I
don't appreciate the you know, having.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Sport with the older voter at a restaurant the other night,
and I brought up a cold draft at the restaurant
to the waiter. Oh, my kids mocked me endlessly for that.
Katie's Katie's look on your face?
Speaker 2 (14:35):
What? What did?
Speaker 8 (14:36):
What did the sweet waitress say when you brought up
a cold draft?
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Jack, I said, hasn't anybody ever said that before? She said, no,
put on a shawl or stay at home and you're
really hot, hot house grandpa.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Oh, it's funny. It was freezing.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
I've never been that cold in a restaurant in my life.
Something had gone wrong. It's also like the chair in
the shower joke, that's pretty funny. It's Fat Bear Week
in Alaska, and Joe said, oh, I love Fat Bear Week.
Speaker 6 (15:06):
What's fat I'm a big fan, big fan. They've got
these bear cams where the bears are in the rivers
fishing for the salmon, and and everybody votes on which
bear has gotten the fattest's feasting on the salmon, because
you know with bears, they eat a tremendous amount and
then they hibernate for the winter, which is coming up.
That says like a good plank gets some big, fat,
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grizzly bears and everybody picks their fath I might try
that some year. They've been back to back winners and
then young up starts to come along as very exciting
you can to try the bear.
Speaker 5 (15:37):
We're gonna have a fat Jack.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
I'm gonna get as fat as I can like during
the summer months and then just sleep all winter as
much as like, yeah, perfectly, hardly get out of bed,
just don't eat much, and then wake up.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
We fill out my revenge bod in the spring. Um. Sure,
that's how it works.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
We're gonna talk to a lot of each gen about
last night's debate coming up. He's one of the best
political pundits in America, and he's helped coach people for
debates and.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
All that sort of stuff, so he's got a lot
of knowledge there.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Did you see the guy who bought the Taylor Swift guitar? No,
and then smashed it. So he paid a whole bunch
of money for a Taylor Swift guitar that was up
for sale as like a charity or something like that,
and he bought it, he smashed it.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
He's the sort of YouTube provocateur, that sort of guy.
Of course, people went nuts.
Speaker 8 (16:29):
So they went nuts, and he actually had to well
he well he didn't have to, but he apologized saying
that by destroying it he wasn't meaning to be violent.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Right, And now he's going to do a fundraiser of
some sort of around the smash guitar to raise even
more money for the charity.
Speaker 6 (16:42):
But brings to mind John Hyatt's fabulous, perfectly good guitar.
Great song if you're into the rock and roll music?
Speaker 2 (16:53):
How old can you? How old Jay is? Is? A
old Walls Tim Wall held.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Might be he's sixty turn he just turned sixty, that's
right to remember when he made a big deal out
of his birthday he reads much older, which might be
an advantage in politics mostly, but it's you'd never know
he was the same age as Kamala Harris. I mentioned
that to somebody last night watching the Baby said, no,
he's like seventy eight.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Nice, he's sixty. Yeah, he's sixty.
Speaker 6 (17:21):
I mean it was what thirty thirty five years ago
that he was heavyweight champion of the world and simultaneously
the American League batting champ.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
You're insinuating that he exaggerates about his resume.
Speaker 6 (17:35):
Everything all the time. There's not an aspect of his resume.
His wife is probably just his girlfriend. I mean, he
exaggerates everything.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Mind your own damn business.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Lots of politicians, it turns out, do this, and so
it's got to be when they run for a big office,
when people start looking into their stories, they go, oh, oh,
I've been getting away with this my whole life, the
whole I was at Tieneman Square or whatever you're claiming.
Speaker 6 (17:59):
Oh no, now you people are checking this sort of thing.
I better go through this. Mentally, I'm not sure what's
true and what's not anymore, because it's never mattered.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Did the debate matter, did it move the needle? Among
the things we'll talk to lanahe Chin about coming.
Speaker 8 (18:12):
I'm just stay with us Armstrong and Getty.
Speaker 13 (18:19):
My overall impression is that both men came to seem likable,
and I think it's quite possible that both men achieved
that task.
Speaker 8 (18:30):
I think the lack of interviews that he has done
with national media with local media, it showed he needed more.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Talking about Tim Walls there that second person, I guess
Jake Tapper nailed that on CNN because on their own polling,
both candidates went up by double digits in terms of
their favorability after the debate, So both came came away
more likable, apparently. So I took in a ton of
punditry right after the debate, and it varied from depending
on you know you like going into Walls was either
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nervous and unprepared or seemed like a regular guy up
there because of his nervousness in the way he talks.
And jd Vance was either hold about.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Coronavirus freaking COVID.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Jd Vance was either polished and skilled or slick and
some other word differ, Yeah, something like that. So it's
funny how you know you can call something polished or slick,
and they have two different, two different meanings you're trying
to convey even though they're the same thing.
Speaker 6 (19:36):
Yeah, I love the notion of he seemed like a
regular guy. I think the greatest superpower on Earth has
the right task for an irregular guy, like an exceptional guy,
to lead the country or be second in command.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
But that's just me.
Speaker 6 (19:48):
Let's discuss the debate with Lanai Chen David and Diane
Stephie fellow in American Public Policy Studies at the Uber
Institution and the Director of Domestic Policy Studies at Stanford University.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Lonnie, how are you. I'm fine.
Speaker 7 (20:01):
Great to be with you guys.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
So what was your own expert pundit takeaway after you
watch the debate?
Speaker 7 (20:06):
Well, I don't know about expert.
Speaker 11 (20:07):
I mean, look, I think, first of all, if you're
not an expert, who the hell is an expert?
Speaker 2 (20:11):
You're an expert.
Speaker 7 (20:13):
There are no experts anymore.
Speaker 11 (20:15):
I think, first of all, I was really I guess
I felt really good after the debate because I thought
there was a level of civility and substance to the
conversation that we've been missing in our politics for a while.
I mean, I remember telling my kids like, this is
what politics was like when I was growing up, and
it felt.
Speaker 7 (20:34):
A little bit like that.
Speaker 11 (20:34):
In terms of the impacts, I think both sides will
find things to take from it. I mean, clearly, Vance,
in my view, had the stronger performance on substance and
on style. You know, people can say that Tim Walls
came off like an ordinary guy. The reality is that
I think we do have an expectation that if you're
going to be vice president, you know you're gonna have
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to step up a little bit. And I think the
first let's call it fifteen minutes of the debate for
Walls were not great, and I think that set the
tone for him. I think the other reason why it
felt like Vance had the stronger debate is because there
weren't any moments in the debate that were just major
missteps for Vance, whereas I felt like Walls's answer on
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like were you actually in China for the Tienamen Square
massacre one of the most significant events in world history,
you should be able to remember whether you were there
or not, And the fact that he gave an answer
which was basically like, well, I misspoke that one's going.
Speaker 7 (21:31):
To have a long tail, I fear for Tim Walls.
Speaker 11 (21:34):
If you're a Tim Walls fan or a Harris Van's
a Harris Walls fan, I think there'll be a long
tail on that one. So that moment was the only
one for me that I think could cause trouble for
either campaign down the road.
Speaker 6 (21:48):
My impression was that and this is only relevant for
the undecided voters in swing states. Honestly, I think the
most relevant or important development last night was that JD.
Vance came off as somebody you could picture as president
and Walls did not.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Am I just being biased? No?
Speaker 7 (22:06):
I think Vance passed the test.
Speaker 11 (22:08):
I mean there were two things he had to do
coming into the evening, and in my view, number one
was to paint himself in a more favorable light, because
all of the survey research coming into the debate was
that people viewed JD.
Speaker 7 (22:20):
Unfavorably.
Speaker 11 (22:21):
Now I don't know why, in particular, given that you
know he aside from the couple comments he's made, I
don't know that there's been a whole lot out there
about him. So I think that the first thing was
he had to paint himself in a more favorable light.
Speaker 7 (22:33):
The second thing was.
Speaker 11 (22:34):
He had to make Kamala Harris into the incumbent. That
was his goal in this debate, in case that wasn't
obvious to people, is to basically say, listen, for all
the things that Kamala Harris has said about trying to
solve America's problems, She's had an opportunity to solve them
for the last three and a half years and she
hasn't done so. So on both of those accounts, I
thought Vance was successful.
Speaker 7 (22:55):
Walls, you know.
Speaker 11 (22:56):
I mean, look, I think the first fifteen minutes of
debate were very problematic for him and that will carry through,
even though I do think he found his footing and
did have some moments in the so let's say the
last hour of the debate. I just think you're right
that this was a stronger debate for Vance and we'll
have a longer tail of advantage for the Trump Vance ticket.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
So I hate to even bring this topic up because
it's kind of tired, but it seems to be getting worse.
And even some of my favorite pundits said, oh my god,
not again. CBS was practically as bad as ABC with
the whole it's going to be three on one. Is
there anything the Republicans can do about it. They said,
no fact checking, and then of course there they were
fact checking the Republican.
Speaker 7 (23:38):
Yeah, it's very challenging.
Speaker 11 (23:40):
I think this has been a challenging cycle for the
media and I think what if anything this demonstrates to
me at least, is that the old system we had.
You may remember before this campaign, we had a commission
on presidential debates and they tended to vet. They didn't
tend to they did they vetted and picked the moderators.
And not that the moderators pre twenty twenty four were
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universally good. I mean, I remember Candy Crowley being atrocious
in twenty twelve.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
You had to mass how I think you were on
that campaign with the believe me.
Speaker 7 (24:08):
I mean that was had to that.
Speaker 11 (24:11):
I mean you talk about the ultimate, uh biased fact check.
Speaker 7 (24:14):
That was it.
Speaker 11 (24:15):
But but you know, for the as a general matter,
putting Candy and maybe one other example like a big
of a side like they they had reasonably good moderators.
And I think what we found now that the media
organizations have taken over the debates in this cycle is
that the moderation has been much more uneven. And to
your point, you know, if you're going to say at
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the outset we're not going to fact check, then don't
fact check, right, I mean, be one way or the other.
If you're going to say, like listen, we're going to
fact check, then do it and do it evenly with
both candidates. Because there were things, you know, they could
have pressed Walls a lot harder. On the tenement square thing.
I think they did press them a little bit. They
should have pressed them a little bit more. There are
several of the things during this campaign that have been
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said by Walls about his background that are questionable. Those
are things they should have fact checked or at least
put out there. The fact that that wasn't done, to me,
suggests that we need to go back to a system
where there's a mutual agreement on moderators.
Speaker 7 (25:10):
And that's really that.
Speaker 11 (25:11):
Really give some thought to that ahead of time, because
I agree thus far I think the moderation in this
cycle hasn't been great.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Just in general.
Speaker 6 (25:17):
Do you think last night's debate was more important than
most VP debates, which have been completely unimportant in the past.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
I don't know.
Speaker 11 (25:27):
My gut tells me no, it's going to be pretty
much the same. And again, there wasn't a huge viral moment.
I mean, if you think back to VP debates in
the past, when they've really stood out, it's been you know,
when Lloyd Benson went after I think it was Dan Quayle,
when Quayle compared himself to John F. Kennedy and Benson said,
you know, I knew him, he was a friend, you know,
Jack Kennedy.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
That was a moment.
Speaker 11 (25:49):
There have been moments in these debates that have stood out.
That's the only way in which a VP debate does
tend to have a lasting influence on public opinion. And
I just didn't see it night, so to me, at least,
you know, when you see some short term movement, yes,
does it affect the trajectory of the race as being
a very close race? It's going to be tightly contested
in the six or seven states we're talking about. No,
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I think this debate did not have that kind of influence.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Saw.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
I was reminded yesterday reading a couple of different pieces
from pundits that the Harris Walls ticket is the most
liberal ticket in US history by a major party, and
I had forgotten that. I mean, it clearly is the
Trump campaign somehow needs to do a better job of
just hammering that over and over and over again to
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where even if people decide that's the direction they want
to go, knowing that's the direction they're.
Speaker 11 (26:40):
Going, that is the direction they need to go in.
And I mean, if you look at again, if you
look at what the research tells us, that is the
point on which Harris Walls are most vulnerable, which is
this notion that they are well to the left of
the American mainstream. And I think actually last night JD.
Vance demonstrated what a concerted and substantive attack on some
of those fronts. Looks like he was a very focused
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debater last night, which I think is of course in
contrast to Trump, because when Trump's up there, he talks
about whatever Trump wants to talk about, right, and that's
not nearly as focused as Vance. I thought Vance was
very effective because he did prosecute some of that case
last night. But I agree completely with you that the
only way I think that they continue to make headway
that the Trump dance ticket is by emphasizing how and
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to what degree the Democratic ticket is is to the
left of where the American mainstream is on many issues,
not just by the way I think their proposals have
moderated quite frankly. If you look at the proposals that
they put out there during the last couple of weeks,
they appear very moderate. But if you look at their
governing histories, both Kamala Harris and Tim Walls, you do
have a very left of center record, particularly in Walls.
Speaker 7 (27:46):
I mean, Walls has done.
Speaker 11 (27:47):
Some wacky things in Minnesota, and the Trump dance ticket
needs to figure out a way to get that out there.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
One day, Lon Heatchen is running for governor of California,
and we're going to do everything in our power to
get you over the top.
Speaker 11 (28:01):
Well, I appreciate that it's gonna have to be a
very different world than the one we live in now.
It's birth two on which that happens.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Unfortunately.
Speaker 6 (28:12):
Yeah, well, and I was just gonna say, if undecided
voters a fall for the whole no no, no, I'll
govern is a moderate thing. Again, that will be very
frustrating for me. So, lanhie Chen of the Hoover Institution,
Stanford University, you have an event tonight, I believe, not
far from the radio ranch in scenic Sacramento, California.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
What's going on?
Speaker 11 (28:31):
Yeah, we'll be up there in Sacramento talking about the
election with some folks from the Sacramento area. So if
people are interested, it's a Sacramento County Republican Party event,
they can check it out.
Speaker 7 (28:44):
And you know, would love to see you there and
would love.
Speaker 11 (28:46):
To talk more about last night's debate and what we
think is going to happen in the elections and just
have a great chat. I love being up in sacrament
I think it's been a little hot up there today,
but aside from that, Aside from that, I always love
being in the area and look forward to seeing some
old friend.
Speaker 6 (29:00):
Why two revelations there turns out there is a Republican
Party in Sacramento, California, and Sacramento, apparently.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Is there talking to me from the control room, is.
Speaker 6 (29:09):
The capital of California. Lanihe Chen, thanks so much. Great
to talk to you as always.
Speaker 7 (29:14):
Hey, great to be with you guys.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Take care yep.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Yeah, we had a private conversation with Lonnie and we
went out to dinner with him when we were at
the convention, and I don't think he would mind us
sharing this and that he's pretty pessimistic about politics in
California getting any better anytime. Soon as well he should be,
which is just depressing as hell.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Doomed.
Speaker 7 (29:34):
Doom.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
You can get doomed if you become a one party state, Yeah,
particularly if one party has captured certain institutions like public
employee unions that can turn out enough vote and to
get into this circular money thing where they give each
other money.
Speaker 6 (29:51):
And so it's just the average voter cannot break through.
It's I read, Oh, I held on to it now
I can't remember where. It is an absolutely elegant way
to express That's what I've been talking about for years,
which is if you have concentrated benefit but disperate cost,
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the benefit people will always win because they really really
make out, but the cost is spread across the entire
tax base, and so those people never like come together
and rise up and the scam. And California is all
about that scam.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Often playing a big role, certainly in California Union. Speaking
of that topic, that didn't come up last night, the
big long shortman strike. The guy that's the head of
that union is quite a piece of work. If you
don't know his whole story.
Speaker 6 (30:41):
Yeah, I actually don't want to talk about him, because
when I go to sleep tonight, I don't want it
to be with the fishes if you follow me, Wow,
what are you hinting at?
Speaker 2 (30:49):
So that's coming up? Discuss right?
Speaker 10 (30:52):
All right?
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Shut up, we get it.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
The Democrats are the party unions, and one of the
biggest unions in the country's on striker right now. The
long sharman didn't come up on the debate last night
because it wouldn't have been good for.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
The left, so they didn't want to get into that topic.
I guess. So let's get into it now.
Speaker 6 (31:11):
Ladies and gentlemen, we give you the head of the
long Shoreman's Union, Herald Jade Daggett.
Speaker 9 (31:17):
Are you worried that this strike is gonna hurt the
everyday American?
Speaker 2 (31:20):
The farmers that need to read they reached the export market.
They're telling me that they're gonna hurt them.
Speaker 10 (31:24):
Start to realize who the long shoremen are, right, nobody
can keep and Nevi gave it about us until now
when they finally realize that the chain is being broke. Now,
cars won't come in, food won't come in, clothing won't
come in. You know how many people depend on odd
jobs half the world, and it's time for them, and
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time for Washington to put so much pressure on them
to take care of us, because we took care of
them and we're here one hundred and thirty five years
and brought to where they are today, and they don't
want to share.
Speaker 6 (31:56):
These people today don't know what a strike is, said
a fiery mister Daggett.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
I'll cripple you. I will cripple you.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
And he doesn't sound like the kind of guy that's
mobbed up out of a movie at all, or exactly.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
It's like he was. He was like he was a
paid actor.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
I want you to portray a union boss is mobbed up. Okay,
I think I can do it. You know, we need
to do another take. That was a little over the top.
Can we ease back on that a little bit so.
Speaker 6 (32:28):
Daggett's work at the union has sometimes attracted the attention
of authorities who've previously accused him of mob ties, a
claims he has denied.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
Really he said, he didn't say, you got me.
Speaker 6 (32:39):
In five he stood trial in Brooklyn on wire and
mail fraud charges alongside another ILA official and an alleged mobster,
accused of steering union benefits to contracts to firms that
paid kickbacks to organized crime. Again, I say witnesses testified
the Daggett was elevated. This is witnesses under oath in
public testifying Daggitt was elevated through the ila by the
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mob because he was an associate of the Genevese crime family.
He denies it, said he's terrified of crime families and
went out of his way to avoid them. He says
they forget about it. The three defendants were acquitted. Lawrence Ricci,
the defendant alleged to be a Genovi's crime family member,
went missing during the trial and was later found partly
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decomposed in the trunk of a car outside the Huck
Finn Diner in Scenic Union, New Jersey.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
That is too much.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
I mean, that is too on the nose to even
be believable. So this guy you just heard from that
has the longshoreman on strike, that's costing the country five
billion dollars a day. And there are now forty ships
backed up off the coast in the Gulf forty. There
were a couple yesterday, forty today. It'll be two hundred
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by next week if this keeps going anyway. So that
guy's on trial and one of the key witnesses disappears
and is found in the true bunk up a car
behind a diner in New Jersey, like it's out of
a bad Sopranos copy show clarification.
Speaker 6 (34:07):
He was one of the defendants. And it's pretty obvious
that the family thought this guy's gonna crack. I can
tell by looking at it. He's gonna crack. Gotcha? So
he went to sleep in a trunk and decomposed. It
could happen to anybody. Oh, let's see. So Daggett has
called leave a drunk. He called the allegations of mob
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influenced total bullless in a dark, ugly attack on Italian America.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
How dare you?
Speaker 6 (34:33):
Last year, according to the US Labor Department filings, he
earned seven hundred and twenty eight thousand dollars as head
of the ILA and a further one hundred and seventy
three grand as president emeritus of the Mechanics Local Chapter
at Port Newark. His son Dennis, who has senior roles
in both groups, was paid a total of more than
seven hundred thousand dollars himself.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Wow, so Dad's getting about a million dollars a year
and with benefits would be worth a lot more than that,
because I heard him talking about their vacation and the
healthcare plans they have and everything like that, and then
the way you get to use vacation time blah blah blah,
and then his son's making crazy money.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Wow.
Speaker 6 (35:13):
Leaving the cargo terminal in Elizabeth, New Jersey, New Jersey,
early Tuesday morning, he suggested in his gruff manner that
he and ILA members are digging in for a lengthy showdown.
Somebody asked him how long the strike might last, and
the poet Laureate of American Labor said, and I quote,
I don't have an effing crystal ball between my legs,
(35:36):
but it will last very long.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
I would tell you that. Woh my god, Wow my god.
Speaker 6 (35:47):
When you don't even feel like you have to pretend anymore,
that's what's most amazing about this.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
And you've seen this with the United autoworkers sometimes too.
They feel so untouchable they can just basically say it
out loud. Yeah I'm mobbed up. Yeah I'm rich. He
drives a Bentley, this guy, so he's not it's not
like he's trying to hide his success.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (36:09):
He and P Diddy could probably compare notes on feeling untouchable.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
But you're right.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
The fact that they don't feel like they even need
to pretend that they're not what they are, Yeah, is
how untouchable they feel and have been for a very
long time.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
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Speaker 1 (36:23):
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