November 28, 2024 • 36 mins
Hour 3 of the November 28 , 2024 edition of The Armstrong & Getty Replay features.
- Swedish Death Cleaning
- Burning Man / Jack Drank Urine
- Photo Editing
- Tattoos on the Yoo-hoo
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George
Washington Broadcast Center.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Jack Armstrong's Joe Getty arm.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Strong and Gatty and he Armstrong and Getty Strong.
Speaker 4 (00:26):
Hey, I'm Strong and Getty. We're featuring our podcast One
More Thing. Find it wherever you find all your podcasts.
Speaker 5 (00:33):
So I came across this in the Washington Post about
Swedish death claiming kind of sort of. It's a variation
on this theme that we've heard from like what's her face?
Speaker 3 (00:43):
The Marie Condo lady, remember her? That was all.
Speaker 5 (00:46):
About you know, hold everything in your hand and if
you don't cherish it, get rid of it. Neatness, your
home should be neat all the time. Blah blah blah.
Then she had a kid and said, yeah, f this.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
Yeah, that's the best part of that story is she
was tight clutter and how and then then she had
kids and decided, yeah, you can't.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
You can't keep up with this. It's impossible.
Speaker 5 (01:06):
Yeah, all that stuff I said before, forget it anyway.
So this story opens up is all stories must with
this lady whose mom passed away, one bedroom apartment, mostly
clean and tidy.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (01:18):
So we thought it'd be manageable. When she passed, we
were wrong. And then they get into the racks and
racks of clothes, many unworn in years, kitchen cabinets stocked,
stacked with pots and plastic storage containers, bulk orders of
tissues and hot sauce. Each item on its own wasn't unreasonable,
but the aggregate proved overwhelming. For several painful weeks, we
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gave things away, sometimes with labels still on them. During
your garage sale, pill carted off thousands of dollars in goods.
We piled the driveway high with stuff then posted to
buy nothing groups. So I didn't even know that was
a thing. Yeah, I understand like free stuff, but yeah,
that's what it is. It's a social media it's the
buy nothing. It's just basically this is for free, come
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pick it up whatever. Huh And okay, finally we paid
a crew in multiple trucks to pick up the rest.
And then then they go into this reality show that
this chick does the gentle art of Swedish death cleaning,
which is one of the worst titles I've ever heard
for any piece of entertainment ever, but it was inspired
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by a best selling book by this eighty nine year
old Swedish woman who talks about not getting caught up
in material things. You are not your stuff, letting go
of the stuff, not letting it accumulate, and how much
how much that helps you, because clutter is linked to
stress and anxiety and depression, all sorts of stuff.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
I believe that.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
I hope I am not my stuff. Looking at my garage,
I'm a mess. Examples I have just so much crap.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Just just get a rap. Yeah, I'm a bit of
a hoarder and it's weird.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
I don't think I am you actually you like horde stuff? No,
a bit of a hoarder. I have clothes I don't wear.
I'm probably almost certainly not going to wear, but I
don't get rid of them. I feel this, I feel
this pain getting rid of them.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
I don't. Yeah, I don't think I have that.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
I have a There's probably in that big closet full
of clothes. Some I do want to keep. I'm not
going to go through them all, so I just keep
them all. Are those boxes in the garage, there's some
stuff in there I don't want to throw out all.
Speaker 6 (03:38):
I'll do cleaning and I'll find myself almost feeling an
emotional attachment to maybe the memory that that T shirt has,
like a band T shirt or something from a show,
or I'll get frustrated with myself with a certain item
and going, Kate, you don't need to keep this. It is, yeah,
totally irrelevant, but it was attached to something I did.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
This is probably universal. But the really tough ones are
kids stuff. I mean, you can't keep every clothing item,
every kit you kid ever had, or book or toy,
but god dang it, throwing some of that.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Stuff out seems like just wrong. How do I get
rid of this book.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
That I read to my kids every night for years
during the greatest moments.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
I can't keep them all. I don't need eighty books
eight weeks.
Speaker 5 (04:23):
We kept a bunch, you know, assuming nieces and nephews
and grandkids or whatever would be in the picture eventually,
and have given some way to other parents because that
feels good.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
The clothes.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
I see a T shirt and I think, oh, I
remember when Sam would wear this.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
But I can't keep all the shirts.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
Well, there are so many memories that they trigger. I
get that, but that's defensible to me. Some shirt that
I'm just not gonna wear probably it's just weird. I
think I've always thought it's probably because you know, I
didn't grow up poor, but we were far from rich,
and you know, I was wearing hand me downs and stuff,
and the idea of a nice new shirt was like
really really cool, And so it's hard for me to
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I don't know anyway.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
There's a and pain in knowing you paid fifty bucks
for something and now it's worthless. That is also something
going on in your brain.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Yeah, that's funny.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
I don't really that doesn't bother me as much. I
don't think I bought this shirt and while I'm going
to give it away. Yeah, it doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
I realized.
Speaker 5 (05:21):
Then they go into each product we buy on average
accounts for roughly six point three times it's weight in
carbon emissions whatever. Yeah, I really don't give a shout off.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
I had to go there.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
Yeah yeah, okay, So onto Swedish death cleaning or durstyaming.
I don't even know what that letter is, much less
how to say it.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
It's it's it isn't about clearing out closet.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
It's about it's about rethinking your relationships with things rather
than making do with less it's about getting more from
the things that make you happy.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
I had a buddy who is so good at this
with clothes, Like when we were in college. I had
a closet full of clothes that I was never gonna
wear again that had been toting around, and he was good, like,
these are the two pairs of pants I'm going to
wear this summer. These are the three cool shirts I like?
Is it?
Speaker 3 (06:07):
He got rid of everybody else and he was Wow,
I wish I could do that.
Speaker 5 (06:11):
So death cleaning happens to agree with scientists understanding of
our relationship with things and why we're loathed to part
with them. Decades of research have shown that we subconsciously
see our possessions as physical extensions of ourselves. Losing them
feels like an amputation because in our minds it is
we're attached to our belongings because we identify them, says
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researcher in Dublin. This conveer into pathologies such as hoarding.
Belonging has become sof fused with a sense of self
that people lose the ability to differentiate between, say, the
value of a saved wedding ring of saving a wedding
ring or a candy wrapper.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Wow, now that's pathological.
Speaker 5 (06:54):
Instead of our possessions offering quote a vital receptacle for
our memories and identities, researchers say they become a fortress,
physical barriers to ward off feelings of insecurity and loneliness.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Wow. Yes, this is crazy.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
I don't doubt some of this. I think my problem
is mostly laziness. It's well or not laziness. Some laziness.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Well, you're crazy busy. Yeah, I'm too busy to go.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
Through a bunch of boxes in my garage to see
what I want to throw out or not.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
That's what's slowing me down. Have you ever watched the
show Hoarders?
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Oh yeah, yeah, there's a clear line between what we're
talking about and them.
Speaker 6 (07:30):
Right, But the way that they their emotions spikes so
much when they do try to get rid of things,
it's I mean, that's that's absolutely mental.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
My youngest kid has a little bit of that. He's
definitely got more of that than that is good. He
just ah, his attachment to some things is.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
A little scary. Wow.
Speaker 5 (07:51):
Well, I'm glad you're all enjoying this as I psychoanalyze
myself because this is crazy. His research this is the
guy we decided earlier shows that materialism, a tendency to
seek out possessions for status or approval, is unequivocally associated
with more loneliness and less happiness. But not all possessions
are equal. Things required for their beauty, utility, or their
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association with positive experiences and social relationships don't show the
same correlation. That's interesting my grandmother's garden if, for example,
for example, every time I hold it, the smooth hickory
handle polish over a half century resurrects blissful childhood hours
spent in her Florida garden, et cetera, et cetera. It's
a good thing to have a few reminders symbolic meaning,
et cetera, et cetera. And I'm willing to bet many
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things in your home, as in mine, are neither useful, beautiful,
nor sentimental. So moving on, how does death cleaning work?
Things that take up space in our minds as well
as our addicts and garages, bah bah. By clarifying what's
important and what's not, you make room. Your loved ones
can receive what you might like. Before you go. We're
leaving them the burden of cleaning up once you're gone.
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This might seem hard. Who wants to give their stuff
away right now?
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Seasons? It's a good description of.
Speaker 5 (09:05):
What it is like to a massive bunch of stuff
and not really appreciate it. Okay, so start with the
easy stuff. Begin with large or duplicate items first, then
finish with the small and sentimental clothes. They are an excellent
place to start, since many of them have little practical
or sentimental use. Photographs, personal papers, and letters are the
hardest to clear out.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
I've got, like my sock drawer has got I don't
know how many pairs of socks are in there, thirty
pairs of socks I wear the same, ten pair on top,
the bottom twenty pair I never wear, and I'm never
going to wear because of the style or color or
the worn out or whatever.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Why don't I throw those out?
Speaker 5 (09:41):
I have enough socks, including the other day I was
asking Jack about what length socks somebody was wearing, and
you reacted as if I was some sort of suck
connoisseur to have different lengths.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
You're a sock samall, ye, yeah, in a way.
Speaker 5 (09:56):
Yeah, So I've got the no shows, I've got the ankle,
I've got the MidCap, et cetera. I have enough socks
that if our washing machine broke down, never mind that
if it were outlawed, I would not have to wear
a dirty pair of socks for.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Three and a half months. That's a lot of socks.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
Maybe more, that'd be a hundred pair of socks something
like that.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Wow, that's a lot of socks. I thought. I haven't any.
Speaker 5 (10:27):
Multiple drawers with socks. I got white socks. I got
no shows, like to play golf in to minimize my
weird golf ten what your son charmingly refers to as
Morgan feet.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
It's a good term. Then I have a drawer full.
Speaker 5 (10:43):
Of black and like uh black and dark blue athletic socks.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Then I've got my dress socks.
Speaker 5 (10:50):
Then I've got my like wooly winter socks for when
we had our mountain place being up in the snow
a lot. We aren't anymore. Yeah, I have I have
enough socks to wear for many months.
Speaker 6 (11:01):
Gosh, getting those to match up when doing the laundry
must just be infuriating.
Speaker 5 (11:05):
All socks, Yeah, except you know, as Jack indicates, in
the space of two weeks, I wear two weeks worth
of socks.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
So it's not that many.
Speaker 5 (11:14):
And again, it's inexplicable to have as many socks as
I have since we have a functioning la washer and dryer.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Are you emotionally attached to them?
Speaker 4 (11:23):
No, No, it's like good because that would be weird.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
That would be very weird. No, there sucks. I'm not crazy,
but there is a weird. It's a difficult impulse to explain.
It's like an I might need this, or I might
wish I had this, and I don't know where it
comes from.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Again, I did not grow up in North Korea.
Speaker 5 (11:48):
I did not fight my brother to the death for
a grain of the rice or one sock.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Yeah, I don't, I don't know. I honestly don't understand it.
Speaker 7 (11:57):
Hey, when you match up your socks, you do what
I do, And if the colors are close enough, you know,
if they're dark blue or black, you just put them together.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
No, I'm not, because I'm not a psychopath. That's fair.
Speaker 7 (12:11):
No, I mean usually I do the exact same color.
But if they're you know they've been one's been washed
more than the other, one looks a little lighter than.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
You would, one get washed more than the other.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Yeah, you're talking nonsense.
Speaker 5 (12:21):
What you're doing is putting mismatch socks together and calling
them a match.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
They're not.
Speaker 6 (12:28):
All right.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
It's like I won't call a.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
Man a woman. I will not call a navy blue
sock a black sock because I'm not a liar. How
many bodies dissolving?
Speaker 4 (12:38):
And how many barrels do you have in your garage
because that's the work of the psychopath putting mismatched socks together.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Boy.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
But so, whatever the weird name is of this thing
you're talking about, the death cleaning or whatever, is it
basically the idea that you got to be ruthless and
just get rid of stuff you don't need.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Hmmm, it's not ruthless exactly. They talk about. God, I
would love to do that.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
It's so relaxing for me to even think about doing that,
like getting rid of all the stuff in my closet.
I never wear everything in the drawers, I don't use anymore,
everything in the closets that we never use. Oh, it
just oh, it fills me with relaxation, happy chemicals.
Speaker 5 (13:17):
Yet I would agree, I would agree, but I do
do it, and it's an excuse to go buy new stuff.
And they suggest it's not being ruthless. It's being thoughtful
Before bringing something into my home. I now think about
it's fate. This person writes, how will I feel living
with it?
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Well? Someone else ever want it? Is it worth it?
Speaker 5 (13:33):
By recognizing the stories I tell about my stuff, it
has made it easier to let go of old things
or avoid buying new ones without losing a bit of myself.
I so need a shrink. Or wait a minute, No,
you go to a shrink. All they do is give
you drugs. So I so need drugs.
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Speaker 5 (14:00):
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Speaker 4 (14:07):
So as a big hippie festival in middle of nowhere, Nevada.
Speaker 5 (14:12):
I don't know that it's a hippie festival. It's a
festival of living outside the riggers and bounds of everyday society,
a chance to cut loose a little bit and relax
in the desert with like minded fellows in Galos.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
None of us have been, so you haven't been, Katie,
I have not.
Speaker 6 (14:30):
I wanted to go, but I've never made it, Michael,
If I remember correctly, you'd never been to San Diego
until fairly recently, so I don't think you've.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Been running man out of the question. I've been to
the beach, but that's about it. I must stand up seeing.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
I don't even like most camping because as a man
who enjoys a cocktail before bed and buy a cocktail, well,
I always have to get up and p in the
middle of the night, and I'm afraid of being eating
a bear.
Speaker 6 (15:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
I didn't know where you're going with that. I was
gonna say, you enjoy cocktails, you don't like camping. Camping
is always super heavy on the drinking. You start like
really early and go all that. That's like the whole
camping thing.
Speaker 5 (15:11):
Well, right, most of my camping I needed to embrace
the jug, but the p jug. But most of my
camping experience was with my wife and kids, and that
just didn't seem to be a good idea.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Peeing and a jug.
Speaker 5 (15:27):
Yeah, but I remain uneaten by bears. So I guess
it worked out all right.
Speaker 6 (15:32):
Husband, Peede and a jug left it in my car
found it this weekend.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
That was a lot of fun. Oh you guys now TMI,
really TM, Well, this.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
Is a perfect place to tell this story. I got
two good stories around this. So one, I'm driving from Charlotte,
North Carolina, to Nashville to catch a concert and I
don't and I'm running kind of late, and I need
to pee and there's U and I don't want to
pull over, and so I have a Gatorade bottle and
I thought, you know what, I'm gonna pee in the
gatorade bottle while I'm driving. And what I learned is
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the volume of urine that comes out of you is
a lot more than you think it is, because the
gatorade bottle filled up like that. And then it was
just he going everywhere. It was horrible, charming story. It's
a shame it's over. So then the other story is
this my poor son with his anxiety problems. He went
through a boy a year or two period where he
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had to pee like every thirty seconds, Poor Lill.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
It was horrible.
Speaker 5 (16:26):
I'm so glad that's not the case anymore, because I
remember how difficult that was.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Horrible.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
We had pads all around the house. He was a
pretty little kid. Pads all over the house could just
for nervousness. He'd just have to pee, and so it's
just anyway. So he I'd carry a bottle water bottles
just like you drink out of in the car, and
he'd pee in the water bottle all the time because
I can't pull over every time. He needs a pea
literally like every minute sometimes, so you can't go anywhere.
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So I had a you know, I'm I'm driving to
work one morning, and I grabbed my water bottle and
take a swig, and.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
No, I thought that first story was terrible, and I
took a big old gulp of old salty Oh, good morning. Yeah,
that was rough.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
When as soon as it took me like a half
a second to realize, you know, you get hit with
this isn't water, Then oh, I know what it is,
and then just the revulsion at what it was.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
We're all feeling it right now.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
Got it took me a long time to stop spitting
and rinsing out my mouth after that.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
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Speaker 3 (17:46):
By the way, Katie, I really like your t shirt.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
Yeah, yeah, no it yeah no. So we got to
talking on the radio show about the the editing of
photos just in general, because cause so many people do
it and it's so effortless. Now I don't have the
Google phone, but I was just reading so the Wall
Street Journal had an article, when is it okay to
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alter the family photo?
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Who doesn't alter big family photos?
Speaker 4 (18:13):
And if you didn't before the but I mean, like
back in the old days when you'd go get a
professional photo done and everything like that, they were altering
them for you.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
They were all brightening them up or list them or whatever.
Speaker 6 (18:26):
And s every every group photo I take, I make
sure everybody looks top notched because I don't want to
hear it afterwards.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
Oh yeah, why did.
Speaker 6 (18:34):
You post that one? I look bad in that one?
Oh no, I went through. I made my best effort
to make all.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
Of you look good.
Speaker 6 (18:42):
So doing what For instance, sometimes someone's eyes will be closed,
you can open them. Somebody's not smiling when they usually would,
you can give them a smile.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
What app or phone are you using to do that?
Face tune? Face tune? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (18:58):
So the Google picks thing. You've probably seen the ads.
It looks fantastic. But they've got a thing called best take,
where you do a blast of photos and then you
can pick each individual face. This is the best one
from this one. This is the best one in you know,
in a group photo. That's which sounds like was more
or less what they did there at Kensington.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
Palace with the royal family.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
I'm surprised they don't have more sophisticated software than they
did well. According to their statement, Prince Will, I don't
even hardly know these people's names, Prince Vine. Prince Will
took the picture last week and Kate edited. Then she
edited it. I guess like a lot of wives probably
do if their husband takes a bad photo.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (19:41):
This whole thing is because there was a big conspiracy
theory that she was dead after this abdominal surgery she
had because she hadn't been seen in the public, and
now they're trying to find any reason they can to
keep that conspiracy alive.
Speaker 5 (19:55):
I e.
Speaker 6 (19:56):
They edited this photo and she's not really around or something.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
That's what I've been reading.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
Yeah, okay, that's that's That doesn't explain all of the coverage,
but certainly some of it. Now I'm willing to concede
that I may be an outlier in this stuff, you know,
to Katie's point, I don't hang out with people who'd
give a single crap. I mean, unless they're like I
take a picture and in the background they're with their
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lover and their wife doesn't know about it.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
They might be worried about that. But you certainly, yeah,
they'd ask me to.
Speaker 5 (20:33):
But I've just I'm now, if we're talking about bringing
out a little contrast or something like that, a filter
because it was a little bright there or something, I mean,
that's just that's how you make decent looking photographs. But
like slimming people and you know, give them a better
smile or white in their teeth and stuff like that,
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I just I it makes me uncomfortable. I feel like
it's divorcing reality from perception in a way that's unhealthy.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Do you ever do you ever slim people? Katie? No, No,
that's not that's not cool.
Speaker 6 (21:06):
But I see your point, Joe, as you're drawing the
line basically at contrast and lighting, well, Joe's.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
Drawing very bright lines between good people and bad people.
So we got to figure out which end of the
line we're all on. This must be what it's like
to be in a hearing in Congress. So we need
to find out which side of Joe's good people bad
people line were on.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
So you're okay with contrast and bright? We have a format? Okay, great?
Speaker 4 (21:30):
But yes, are you okay with the You got a
bunch of photos and you put the smile on everybody's
best smile in the photo.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Are you okay with that or not?
Speaker 5 (21:39):
It seems ridiculous to me, Although if each of those
individual images existed, just not at the same time, I
will allow it.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
Like a fly lands on somebody's face and you make
a weird face trying to get the fly off, and
you're just gonna leave it like that, right guy?
Speaker 3 (21:55):
Or here's here's a question.
Speaker 5 (21:58):
What have you gained by and what have you lost
by not including that image?
Speaker 3 (22:04):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (22:05):
You are serving the idea of always looking unrealistically beautiful
or or great, as opposed to capturing a moment where
something really funny happened.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
Well, speaking for myself, it's it's hard for me to
wrap my head around this because I don't have the motivation,
because I don't have any social media that I post
pictures on so nobody ever sees them. Me and other
people in my family. Sometimes me and the kids go
through my phone. But so I'm not posting these for
any stuff. So maybe I would be more motivated to
if I posted these where anybody would see them.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
But like I know someone.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
Who who who clearly uses the thinning thing whenever they
post pictures, because I see them on a regular basis,
and I know that that's not what they look like.
And one that I wonder about, I just.
Speaker 5 (22:53):
Think that's fundamentally unhealthy. To thine own self be true
is like my my guiding principle for every thing in
life because and it's not I'm not coming off as
high handed. I think I may be better than some
people at least a recognizing my weaknesses and realizing you
are really tempted to do that.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
That's one of the.
Speaker 5 (23:15):
Things you really need to be careful about. And one
of them is you know, self delusion or you know,
how how would I put this? And I'm more than
willing to concede that I'm I may be an outlier
and a little bit weird about this, and you live.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Your own life. I honestly don't care. I don't care enough.
Speaker 5 (23:33):
About the way you live your life to judge you
unless you're hurting other people. So don't take anything I
say as some sort of like Jack trying to frame
it as your exactly.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
That's probably you know what, Honestly, that's probably a better
way to frame this discussion. It's more entertaining. This is
called Joe's the jerk. I just what are you doing?
Speaker 5 (23:55):
Why are you doing that so people think you're better
looking than you are?
Speaker 4 (24:00):
Why for dating apps if you're single and you're dating.
If I was doing that, and I've never done online
dating and I'm never going to, but if I was,
gott it be, I don't think I could stop myself
from just slightly slimming your face. I mean, finely different questions.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
It is a complete posting pictures of guys who weren't
even me.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
That is a completely different question though, although at a
point though you're really misleading people. I mean, because I
heard people talk about showing up to meet somebody and
it's like you're the same person from that photo. Come on, yeah,
I wouldn't want that. That would be hurtful. I wouldn't
want I wouldn't want that myself. I don't want to
meet somebody that I lured them in by making myself
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look different. They're like, whoa dude, how much time did
you spend editing that photo? But man, you can I
messed around with face tune a while just to see
what it was like. Then I don't even have it
anymore because I'm I'm not gonna spend that much time.
But man, just it takes so little effort to like
slim your face just so, and you think, Wow, I
look so much better with just that much effort.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
All right, here's the standard.
Speaker 5 (25:07):
And Katie cannot come in on this because she's super pretty,
like the best non retouched photo of you, because we
all have them.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Wow, I look good in that pick. You know, that's
as high as you can go.
Speaker 5 (25:24):
That's as handsome or pretty or whatever that is.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
WI If all you're doing is bringing the photo up
to your best real photo, yes, that's not bad as
a standard.
Speaker 5 (25:35):
If you are exceeding the possibilities of a real photo
of yourself, then you're doing things in your mind that
are not healthy.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
If you change it to something you've never actually looked
that good, that that is a different category, unless again,
you're trying to get.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
Laid, then anything goes bebby. Here's a funny one.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
I was disappointed that my Costco card expired because I
had a great picture on my Costco card. It's like
one of my better pictures of me ever for something.
Speaker 5 (26:05):
I had a driver's license once, I looked like an
action star.
Speaker 6 (26:10):
Yes, my first driver's license was money.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
It all came together.
Speaker 5 (26:13):
I had a really good beard at that point, I
looked at like a guy out of the movies. Who
would you know? Is he turned out to be, you know,
some sort of master criminal?
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Oh so good?
Speaker 4 (26:27):
You know you end up you know how if you
end up in the news, the media grabs like your
driver's license photo and that becomes the photo going everywhere.
I've thought about that before if something happened, and now
the current driver's license photo I have is just awful.
I wish I could get a change. That would be
the picture of what I look like for any story
you want. You want it to be your Costco card photo?
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Yes, yes, if you have to.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
If something happens where I end up with the news,
good or bad, use my Costco card.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
You let your Crossco card expire? Yeah somehow?
Speaker 5 (26:56):
Okay, So why don't we go through a checklist of
different Go ahead, Michael, did you have more criticism?
Speaker 3 (27:03):
I say, you know, do you let your kids starve too?
That was ji? Yeah, a boy, That's what I was
looking for us, That's what I was open.
Speaker 6 (27:10):
For, Michael.
Speaker 5 (27:11):
All right, So throw out scenarios and I'll rule whether
they're okay. For instance, family picture, your kid has acne
problems and is super sensitive about it.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
M they're super sensitive about it.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
That's different the family picture like the one that's gonna.
Speaker 5 (27:31):
Go on the wall in the hallway, maybe a Christmas card.
Speaker 6 (27:37):
See, I'd be okay with it, because that acne isn't forever.
You're gonna grow up, and if they want that picture
up the way, you know, then.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
It is strictly speaking, a disease.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (27:48):
I realize that makes it sound more serious than it,
but it can be very serious for people and the
way they feel about themselves.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
Certainly for my own personal use the pictures my phone.
I've never altered my kids to make them look better ever,
not one.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
No, Yeah, I want to know what looks like right? Yeah?
Me on the other hand, Hi, what do you want
to do with me? Ever?
Speaker 5 (28:10):
Using slimming software? Now, other than like for dating functions.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
I never have for real, I don't think I ever
would except for dating situations. But so you know, all
of this is there are lots of gray areas you're
I guess some men do this too, but women do
it more. I think you're wearing some sort of slimming garment.
How's that different if you're wearing a slimming garment under
your dress at the wedding. Isn't that How's that different
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than if you use the photoshop to slim yourself a
little bit?
Speaker 3 (28:40):
Why?
Speaker 5 (28:43):
Well, because it's it's possible in the real world.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
So that's your standard again, is if you could get
yourself to look like that in the real world.
Speaker 5 (28:52):
You know, it's funny between the radio show and recording this,
I went and got some more ice water from the
kitchen and just everybody's getting ready and all right, let's
go do the podcast.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
I've been thinking hard about all.
Speaker 5 (29:03):
The things we've talked about today, and I've got to
form it all into a unified philosophy. And it's going
to be something like I'm a realistarian or something like that,
because the only thing that's going to keep me from
becoming like an angry nihilist, because I think the artificial world,
the virtual world, is incredibly unhealthy and is drawing humanity
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and individual people into just terrible psychological places and addictions
and self hatred and suicide and depression and anxiety. I
think it is so effing unhealthy. We have not scratched
the surface of it. But the only way I can
live in that world is if I have an alternative
that I'm focused on, and it's going to be something
about anything that departs from what is real more than
(29:50):
just a little bit I'm just going to reject.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
Yeah, I wonder wonderful that'll happen for anybody on the
younger end, though, like Katie, you're younger, so wouldn't smartphones
come out You're a kid, probably when.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
I was in high school graduating.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
If you're if you're a young person, especially women, But
if you if you've never lived in a world where
you couldn't easily manipulate your photos and make yourself a better,
look better, how would you ever Not To answer your question,
which I think is a really interesting one, whether young
people will you know, go along with what I'm talking
about or ever get a chance to the answer is clearly, yes,
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one hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Yes.
Speaker 5 (30:28):
The question is how many I read something interesting the
other day, twenty somethings who've jettison TikTok and other social media,
and how happy they are. Now, that's not like seventy
million in the United States, but it's thousands. And just
like you know, whether you want to cite Christianity or
healthy eating or regular exercise or whatever, just because most
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people aren't is not a good reason to stop advocating
advocating for what's good and what's healthy. If I'm the
losing side again, that's fine. I can live with that.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
I was just singing for young people altering their photos,
One they will have always had that in their lives.
And two you kind of always are on a dating
app when you're It seems to me from observing social
media for young people, your life is a dating app.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
It's an interesting point. Yeah, So the point.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
You're going to be adjusting your phone, I mean, how
you couldn't have stopped me and like if I hit
we're in high school now from altering my photos to
make myself look better?
Speaker 3 (31:28):
Are you kidding? Not a chance?
Speaker 4 (31:29):
You couldn't stop me with a gun from altering my
photos to make myself look better.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
Yeah, yeah, it's a good point.
Speaker 7 (31:38):
Oh wow, what if you had an uncle that had well,
he was a pirate and he had a peg leg,
would you no or put a different type of leg
on there, like me herrot on his shoulder.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
Well, of course it's an odd scenario. Michael.
Speaker 5 (31:55):
What's your pirate uncle's name? It's hard for me to
go forward without a name.
Speaker 7 (31:59):
Art Oh god, oh boy, I'm really sorry about that.
Speaker 4 (32:05):
Wow, I hurt brushing this out of the podcast.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
I'm really sorry about that. Shiver me timbers. He gave
me scurvy with that one. Okay, all right.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
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Speaker 5 (32:44):
A friend who I work with, His wife is an obstetrician.
The stories she has heard amaze and the tattoos she
has seen, oh what, including one woman.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
I think I can tell his story. I'm sure you can.
Speaker 5 (33:05):
Should I though, oh Man's not want to get him
in trust so we're talking about tattoos on the U.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Who oh my god, or in the you who will
region The sympathy pain I'm feeling right now is.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
Sign even without the pain, just as a lifestyle choice, right,
and sometimes it's just in the suburbs, but not in
the city center.
Speaker 5 (33:28):
But uh, can I say this? You know what, I
can't say it. I'm gonna make this up completely. This
is Joe Getty lying and creating fiction that is in
no way based on any truth ever spoken by anybody.
One gal who is well on in years had a
boxing glove to either side and the caption hit it
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like a champ.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
Oh my god, it's like a champ.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
So then you have to think as a dude or
a woman. I guess if she's a lesbian. But your
first you know, you become intimate after months of dating
and courting and then of course marriage, you decide.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
To decide you love each other very much.
Speaker 4 (34:17):
You decide to become intimate, and this is the first
time you become aware of your the love of your life.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
Having it to doo, that's hit it like a champ.
Unless that tattoo is like a week old. I'm gonna
have questions. It's just reeks of class, you know. Yeah?
What do am I?
Speaker 1 (34:37):
Hm?
Speaker 4 (34:38):
How disturbed am I at that point? Am I thinking?
Speaker 3 (34:42):
Maybe not? Or you're not who I thought you were?
Speaker 7 (34:45):
Or and yes, Michael, do you bring a boxing bell
to bedums?
Speaker 3 (34:52):
Get ready? Yeah? You do that whole thing round?
Speaker 5 (34:54):
What was that a statement of kind of general principle
or was that like a specific message to.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
A lover of her past? I would have questions?
Speaker 5 (35:06):
So, baby, I can't help, but notice you've I'm going
out a whole set it to two.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
That's my goal, regardless of your signage anyway, Right, you
didn't I don't tell me to do that, right, right exactly.
It's extraneous motivation.
Speaker 6 (35:23):
This is reminding me that's my general practice. Right, This
is reminding me of one of the funniest things. So
my mother got a tattoo for her fiftieth birthday and
it is a dolphin that is jumping over a shamrock.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
And her big line was like.
Speaker 6 (35:38):
Yeah, in fifteen years, it'll be an eel stuck in
a pine tree.
Speaker 4 (35:43):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (35:45):
The comedy stylings of Katie's mom, she's fantastic.
Speaker 4 (35:52):
So does this where were we? So does this made
up doctor. Yes, find a way to. I just check
my messages real quick, and then you kind of lean
your phone this wing
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Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George
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Speaker 5 (00:33):
So I came across this in the Washington Post about
Swedish death claiming kind of sort of. It's a variation
on this theme that we've heard from like what's her face?
Speaker 3 (00:43):
The Marie Condo lady, remember her? That was all.
Speaker 5 (00:46):
About you know, hold everything in your hand and if
you don't cherish it, get rid of it. Neatness, your
home should be neat all the time. Blah blah blah.
Then she had a kid and said, yeah, f this.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
Yeah, that's the best part of that story is she
was tight clutter and how and then then she had
kids and decided, yeah, you can't.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
You can't keep up with this. It's impossible.
Speaker 5 (01:06):
Yeah, all that stuff I said before, forget it anyway.
So this story opens up is all stories must with
this lady whose mom passed away, one bedroom apartment, mostly
clean and tidy.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (01:18):
So we thought it'd be manageable. When she passed, we
were wrong. And then they get into the racks and
racks of clothes, many unworn in years, kitchen cabinets stocked,
stacked with pots and plastic storage containers, bulk orders of
tissues and hot sauce. Each item on its own wasn't unreasonable,
but the aggregate proved overwhelming. For several painful weeks, we
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gave things away, sometimes with labels still on them. During
your garage sale, pill carted off thousands of dollars in goods.
We piled the driveway high with stuff then posted to
buy nothing groups. So I didn't even know that was
a thing. Yeah, I understand like free stuff, but yeah,
that's what it is. It's a social media it's the
buy nothing. It's just basically this is for free, come
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pick it up whatever. Huh And okay, finally we paid
a crew in multiple trucks to pick up the rest.
And then then they go into this reality show that
this chick does the gentle art of Swedish death cleaning,
which is one of the worst titles I've ever heard
for any piece of entertainment ever, but it was inspired
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by a best selling book by this eighty nine year
old Swedish woman who talks about not getting caught up
in material things. You are not your stuff, letting go
of the stuff, not letting it accumulate, and how much
how much that helps you, because clutter is linked to
stress and anxiety and depression, all sorts of stuff.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
I believe that.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
I hope I am not my stuff. Looking at my garage,
I'm a mess. Examples I have just so much crap.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Just just get a rap. Yeah, I'm a bit of
a hoarder and it's weird.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
I don't think I am you actually you like horde stuff? No,
a bit of a hoarder. I have clothes I don't wear.
I'm probably almost certainly not going to wear, but I
don't get rid of them. I feel this, I feel
this pain getting rid of them.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
I don't. Yeah, I don't think I have that.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
I have a There's probably in that big closet full
of clothes. Some I do want to keep. I'm not
going to go through them all, so I just keep
them all. Are those boxes in the garage, there's some
stuff in there I don't want to throw out all.
Speaker 6 (03:38):
I'll do cleaning and I'll find myself almost feeling an
emotional attachment to maybe the memory that that T shirt has,
like a band T shirt or something from a show,
or I'll get frustrated with myself with a certain item
and going, Kate, you don't need to keep this. It is, yeah,
totally irrelevant, but it was attached to something I did.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
This is probably universal. But the really tough ones are
kids stuff. I mean, you can't keep every clothing item,
every kit you kid ever had, or book or toy,
but god dang it, throwing some of that.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Stuff out seems like just wrong. How do I get
rid of this book.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
That I read to my kids every night for years
during the greatest moments.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
I can't keep them all. I don't need eighty books
eight weeks.
Speaker 5 (04:23):
We kept a bunch, you know, assuming nieces and nephews
and grandkids or whatever would be in the picture eventually,
and have given some way to other parents because that
feels good.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
The clothes.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
I see a T shirt and I think, oh, I
remember when Sam would wear this.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
But I can't keep all the shirts.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
Well, there are so many memories that they trigger. I
get that, but that's defensible to me. Some shirt that
I'm just not gonna wear probably it's just weird. I
think I've always thought it's probably because you know, I
didn't grow up poor, but we were far from rich,
and you know, I was wearing hand me downs and stuff,
and the idea of a nice new shirt was like
really really cool, And so it's hard for me to
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I don't know anyway.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
There's a and pain in knowing you paid fifty bucks
for something and now it's worthless. That is also something
going on in your brain.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Yeah, that's funny.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
I don't really that doesn't bother me as much. I
don't think I bought this shirt and while I'm going
to give it away. Yeah, it doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
I realized.
Speaker 5 (05:21):
Then they go into each product we buy on average
accounts for roughly six point three times it's weight in
carbon emissions whatever. Yeah, I really don't give a shout off.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
I had to go there.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
Yeah yeah, okay, So onto Swedish death cleaning or durstyaming.
I don't even know what that letter is, much less
how to say it.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
It's it's it isn't about clearing out closet.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
It's about it's about rethinking your relationships with things rather
than making do with less it's about getting more from
the things that make you happy.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
I had a buddy who is so good at this
with clothes, Like when we were in college. I had
a closet full of clothes that I was never gonna
wear again that had been toting around, and he was good, like,
these are the two pairs of pants I'm going to
wear this summer. These are the three cool shirts I like?
Is it?
Speaker 3 (06:07):
He got rid of everybody else and he was Wow,
I wish I could do that.
Speaker 5 (06:11):
So death cleaning happens to agree with scientists understanding of
our relationship with things and why we're loathed to part
with them. Decades of research have shown that we subconsciously
see our possessions as physical extensions of ourselves. Losing them
feels like an amputation because in our minds it is
we're attached to our belongings because we identify them, says
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researcher in Dublin. This conveer into pathologies such as hoarding.
Belonging has become sof fused with a sense of self
that people lose the ability to differentiate between, say, the
value of a saved wedding ring of saving a wedding
ring or a candy wrapper.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Wow, now that's pathological.
Speaker 5 (06:54):
Instead of our possessions offering quote a vital receptacle for
our memories and identities, researchers say they become a fortress,
physical barriers to ward off feelings of insecurity and loneliness.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Wow. Yes, this is crazy.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
I don't doubt some of this. I think my problem
is mostly laziness. It's well or not laziness. Some laziness.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Well, you're crazy busy. Yeah, I'm too busy to go.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
Through a bunch of boxes in my garage to see
what I want to throw out or not.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
That's what's slowing me down. Have you ever watched the
show Hoarders?
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Oh yeah, yeah, there's a clear line between what we're
talking about and them.
Speaker 6 (07:30):
Right, But the way that they their emotions spikes so
much when they do try to get rid of things,
it's I mean, that's that's absolutely mental.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
My youngest kid has a little bit of that. He's
definitely got more of that than that is good. He
just ah, his attachment to some things is.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
A little scary. Wow.
Speaker 5 (07:51):
Well, I'm glad you're all enjoying this as I psychoanalyze
myself because this is crazy. His research this is the
guy we decided earlier shows that materialism, a tendency to
seek out possessions for status or approval, is unequivocally associated
with more loneliness and less happiness. But not all possessions
are equal. Things required for their beauty, utility, or their
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association with positive experiences and social relationships don't show the
same correlation. That's interesting my grandmother's garden if, for example,
for example, every time I hold it, the smooth hickory
handle polish over a half century resurrects blissful childhood hours
spent in her Florida garden, et cetera, et cetera. It's
a good thing to have a few reminders symbolic meaning,
et cetera, et cetera. And I'm willing to bet many
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things in your home, as in mine, are neither useful, beautiful,
nor sentimental. So moving on, how does death cleaning work?
Things that take up space in our minds as well
as our addicts and garages, bah bah. By clarifying what's
important and what's not, you make room. Your loved ones
can receive what you might like. Before you go. We're
leaving them the burden of cleaning up once you're gone.
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This might seem hard. Who wants to give their stuff
away right now?
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Seasons? It's a good description of.
Speaker 5 (09:05):
What it is like to a massive bunch of stuff
and not really appreciate it. Okay, so start with the
easy stuff. Begin with large or duplicate items first, then
finish with the small and sentimental clothes. They are an excellent
place to start, since many of them have little practical
or sentimental use. Photographs, personal papers, and letters are the
hardest to clear out.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
I've got, like my sock drawer has got I don't
know how many pairs of socks are in there, thirty
pairs of socks I wear the same, ten pair on top,
the bottom twenty pair I never wear, and I'm never
going to wear because of the style or color or
the worn out or whatever.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Why don't I throw those out?
Speaker 5 (09:41):
I have enough socks, including the other day I was
asking Jack about what length socks somebody was wearing, and
you reacted as if I was some sort of suck
connoisseur to have different lengths.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
You're a sock samall, ye, yeah, in a way.
Speaker 5 (09:56):
Yeah, So I've got the no shows, I've got the ankle,
I've got the MidCap, et cetera. I have enough socks
that if our washing machine broke down, never mind that
if it were outlawed, I would not have to wear
a dirty pair of socks for.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Three and a half months. That's a lot of socks.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
Maybe more, that'd be a hundred pair of socks something
like that.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Wow, that's a lot of socks. I thought. I haven't any.
Speaker 5 (10:27):
Multiple drawers with socks. I got white socks. I got
no shows, like to play golf in to minimize my
weird golf ten what your son charmingly refers to as
Morgan feet.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
It's a good term. Then I have a drawer full.
Speaker 5 (10:43):
Of black and like uh black and dark blue athletic socks.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Then I've got my dress socks.
Speaker 5 (10:50):
Then I've got my like wooly winter socks for when
we had our mountain place being up in the snow
a lot. We aren't anymore. Yeah, I have I have
enough socks to wear for many months.
Speaker 6 (11:01):
Gosh, getting those to match up when doing the laundry
must just be infuriating.
Speaker 5 (11:05):
All socks, Yeah, except you know, as Jack indicates, in
the space of two weeks, I wear two weeks worth
of socks.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
So it's not that many.
Speaker 5 (11:14):
And again, it's inexplicable to have as many socks as
I have since we have a functioning la washer and dryer.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Are you emotionally attached to them?
Speaker 4 (11:23):
No, No, it's like good because that would be weird.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
That would be very weird. No, there sucks. I'm not crazy,
but there is a weird. It's a difficult impulse to explain.
It's like an I might need this, or I might
wish I had this, and I don't know where it
comes from.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Again, I did not grow up in North Korea.
Speaker 5 (11:48):
I did not fight my brother to the death for
a grain of the rice or one sock.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Yeah, I don't, I don't know. I honestly don't understand it.
Speaker 7 (11:57):
Hey, when you match up your socks, you do what
I do, And if the colors are close enough, you know,
if they're dark blue or black, you just put them together.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
No, I'm not, because I'm not a psychopath. That's fair.
Speaker 7 (12:11):
No, I mean usually I do the exact same color.
But if they're you know they've been one's been washed
more than the other, one looks a little lighter than.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
You would, one get washed more than the other.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Yeah, you're talking nonsense.
Speaker 5 (12:21):
What you're doing is putting mismatch socks together and calling
them a match.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
They're not.
Speaker 6 (12:28):
All right.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
It's like I won't call a.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
Man a woman. I will not call a navy blue
sock a black sock because I'm not a liar. How
many bodies dissolving?
Speaker 4 (12:38):
And how many barrels do you have in your garage
because that's the work of the psychopath putting mismatched socks together.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Boy.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
But so, whatever the weird name is of this thing
you're talking about, the death cleaning or whatever, is it
basically the idea that you got to be ruthless and
just get rid of stuff you don't need.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Hmmm, it's not ruthless exactly. They talk about. God, I
would love to do that.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
It's so relaxing for me to even think about doing that,
like getting rid of all the stuff in my closet.
I never wear everything in the drawers, I don't use anymore,
everything in the closets that we never use. Oh, it
just oh, it fills me with relaxation, happy chemicals.
Speaker 5 (13:17):
Yet I would agree, I would agree, but I do
do it, and it's an excuse to go buy new stuff.
And they suggest it's not being ruthless. It's being thoughtful
Before bringing something into my home. I now think about
it's fate. This person writes, how will I feel living
with it?
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Well? Someone else ever want it? Is it worth it?
Speaker 5 (13:33):
By recognizing the stories I tell about my stuff, it
has made it easier to let go of old things
or avoid buying new ones without losing a bit of myself.
I so need a shrink. Or wait a minute, No,
you go to a shrink. All they do is give
you drugs. So I so need drugs.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty. Armstrong and Getty show.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
It.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
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Thing Downloaded.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
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Speaker 4 (14:07):
So as a big hippie festival in middle of nowhere, Nevada.
Speaker 5 (14:12):
I don't know that it's a hippie festival. It's a
festival of living outside the riggers and bounds of everyday society,
a chance to cut loose a little bit and relax
in the desert with like minded fellows in Galos.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
None of us have been, so you haven't been, Katie,
I have not.
Speaker 6 (14:30):
I wanted to go, but I've never made it, Michael,
If I remember correctly, you'd never been to San Diego
until fairly recently, so I don't think you've.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Been running man out of the question. I've been to
the beach, but that's about it. I must stand up seeing.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
I don't even like most camping because as a man
who enjoys a cocktail before bed and buy a cocktail, well,
I always have to get up and p in the
middle of the night, and I'm afraid of being eating
a bear.
Speaker 6 (15:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
I didn't know where you're going with that. I was
gonna say, you enjoy cocktails, you don't like camping. Camping
is always super heavy on the drinking. You start like
really early and go all that. That's like the whole
camping thing.
Speaker 5 (15:11):
Well, right, most of my camping I needed to embrace
the jug, but the p jug. But most of my
camping experience was with my wife and kids, and that
just didn't seem to be a good idea.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Peeing and a jug.
Speaker 5 (15:27):
Yeah, but I remain uneaten by bears. So I guess
it worked out all right.
Speaker 6 (15:32):
Husband, Peede and a jug left it in my car
found it this weekend.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
That was a lot of fun. Oh you guys now TMI,
really TM, Well, this.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
Is a perfect place to tell this story. I got
two good stories around this. So one, I'm driving from Charlotte,
North Carolina, to Nashville to catch a concert and I
don't and I'm running kind of late, and I need
to pee and there's U and I don't want to
pull over, and so I have a Gatorade bottle and
I thought, you know what, I'm gonna pee in the
gatorade bottle while I'm driving. And what I learned is
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the volume of urine that comes out of you is
a lot more than you think it is, because the
gatorade bottle filled up like that. And then it was
just he going everywhere. It was horrible, charming story. It's
a shame it's over. So then the other story is
this my poor son with his anxiety problems. He went
through a boy a year or two period where he
(16:22):
had to pee like every thirty seconds, Poor Lill.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
It was horrible.
Speaker 5 (16:26):
I'm so glad that's not the case anymore, because I
remember how difficult that was.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Horrible.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
We had pads all around the house. He was a
pretty little kid. Pads all over the house could just
for nervousness. He'd just have to pee, and so it's
just anyway. So he I'd carry a bottle water bottles
just like you drink out of in the car, and
he'd pee in the water bottle all the time because
I can't pull over every time. He needs a pea
literally like every minute sometimes, so you can't go anywhere.
(16:52):
So I had a you know, I'm I'm driving to
work one morning, and I grabbed my water bottle and
take a swig, and.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
No, I thought that first story was terrible, and I
took a big old gulp of old salty Oh, good morning. Yeah,
that was rough.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
When as soon as it took me like a half
a second to realize, you know, you get hit with
this isn't water, Then oh, I know what it is,
and then just the revulsion at what it was.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
We're all feeling it right now.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
Got it took me a long time to stop spitting
and rinsing out my mouth after that.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
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Speaker 5 (17:39):
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Speaker 3 (17:46):
By the way, Katie, I really like your t shirt.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
Yeah, yeah, no it yeah no. So we got to
talking on the radio show about the the editing of
photos just in general, because cause so many people do
it and it's so effortless. Now I don't have the
Google phone, but I was just reading so the Wall
Street Journal had an article, when is it okay to
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alter the family photo?
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Who doesn't alter big family photos?
Speaker 4 (18:13):
And if you didn't before the but I mean, like
back in the old days when you'd go get a
professional photo done and everything like that, they were altering
them for you.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
They were all brightening them up or list them or whatever.
Speaker 6 (18:26):
And s every every group photo I take, I make
sure everybody looks top notched because I don't want to
hear it afterwards.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
Oh yeah, why did.
Speaker 6 (18:34):
You post that one? I look bad in that one?
Oh no, I went through. I made my best effort
to make all.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
Of you look good.
Speaker 6 (18:42):
So doing what For instance, sometimes someone's eyes will be closed,
you can open them. Somebody's not smiling when they usually would,
you can give them a smile.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
What app or phone are you using to do that?
Face tune? Face tune? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (18:58):
So the Google picks thing. You've probably seen the ads.
It looks fantastic. But they've got a thing called best take,
where you do a blast of photos and then you
can pick each individual face. This is the best one
from this one. This is the best one in you know,
in a group photo. That's which sounds like was more
or less what they did there at Kensington.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
Palace with the royal family.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
I'm surprised they don't have more sophisticated software than they
did well. According to their statement, Prince Will, I don't
even hardly know these people's names, Prince Vine. Prince Will
took the picture last week and Kate edited. Then she
edited it. I guess like a lot of wives probably
do if their husband takes a bad photo.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (19:41):
This whole thing is because there was a big conspiracy
theory that she was dead after this abdominal surgery she
had because she hadn't been seen in the public, and
now they're trying to find any reason they can to
keep that conspiracy alive.
Speaker 5 (19:55):
I e.
Speaker 6 (19:56):
They edited this photo and she's not really around or something.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
That's what I've been reading.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
Yeah, okay, that's that's That doesn't explain all of the coverage,
but certainly some of it. Now I'm willing to concede
that I may be an outlier in this stuff, you know,
to Katie's point, I don't hang out with people who'd
give a single crap. I mean, unless they're like I
take a picture and in the background they're with their
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lover and their wife doesn't know about it.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
They might be worried about that. But you certainly, yeah,
they'd ask me to.
Speaker 5 (20:33):
But I've just I'm now, if we're talking about bringing
out a little contrast or something like that, a filter
because it was a little bright there or something, I mean,
that's just that's how you make decent looking photographs. But
like slimming people and you know, give them a better
smile or white in their teeth and stuff like that,
(20:53):
I just I it makes me uncomfortable. I feel like
it's divorcing reality from perception in a way that's unhealthy.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Do you ever do you ever slim people? Katie? No, No,
that's not that's not cool.
Speaker 6 (21:06):
But I see your point, Joe, as you're drawing the
line basically at contrast and lighting, well, Joe's.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
Drawing very bright lines between good people and bad people.
So we got to figure out which end of the
line we're all on. This must be what it's like
to be in a hearing in Congress. So we need
to find out which side of Joe's good people bad
people line were on.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
So you're okay with contrast and bright? We have a format? Okay, great?
Speaker 4 (21:30):
But yes, are you okay with the You got a
bunch of photos and you put the smile on everybody's
best smile in the photo.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Are you okay with that or not?
Speaker 5 (21:39):
It seems ridiculous to me, Although if each of those
individual images existed, just not at the same time, I
will allow it.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
Like a fly lands on somebody's face and you make
a weird face trying to get the fly off, and
you're just gonna leave it like that, right guy?
Speaker 3 (21:55):
Or here's here's a question.
Speaker 5 (21:58):
What have you gained by and what have you lost
by not including that image?
Speaker 3 (22:04):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (22:05):
You are serving the idea of always looking unrealistically beautiful
or or great, as opposed to capturing a moment where
something really funny happened.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
Well, speaking for myself, it's it's hard for me to
wrap my head around this because I don't have the motivation,
because I don't have any social media that I post
pictures on so nobody ever sees them. Me and other
people in my family. Sometimes me and the kids go
through my phone. But so I'm not posting these for
any stuff. So maybe I would be more motivated to
if I posted these where anybody would see them.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
But like I know someone.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
Who who who clearly uses the thinning thing whenever they
post pictures, because I see them on a regular basis,
and I know that that's not what they look like.
And one that I wonder about, I just.
Speaker 5 (22:53):
Think that's fundamentally unhealthy. To thine own self be true
is like my my guiding principle for every thing in
life because and it's not I'm not coming off as
high handed. I think I may be better than some
people at least a recognizing my weaknesses and realizing you
are really tempted to do that.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
That's one of the.
Speaker 5 (23:15):
Things you really need to be careful about. And one
of them is you know, self delusion or you know,
how how would I put this? And I'm more than
willing to concede that I'm I may be an outlier
and a little bit weird about this, and you live.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Your own life. I honestly don't care. I don't care enough.
Speaker 5 (23:33):
About the way you live your life to judge you
unless you're hurting other people. So don't take anything I
say as some sort of like Jack trying to frame
it as your exactly.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
That's probably you know what, Honestly, that's probably a better
way to frame this discussion. It's more entertaining. This is
called Joe's the jerk. I just what are you doing?
Speaker 5 (23:55):
Why are you doing that so people think you're better
looking than you are?
Speaker 4 (24:00):
Why for dating apps if you're single and you're dating.
If I was doing that, and I've never done online
dating and I'm never going to, but if I was,
gott it be, I don't think I could stop myself
from just slightly slimming your face. I mean, finely different questions.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
It is a complete posting pictures of guys who weren't
even me.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
That is a completely different question though, although at a
point though you're really misleading people. I mean, because I
heard people talk about showing up to meet somebody and
it's like you're the same person from that photo. Come on, yeah,
I wouldn't want that. That would be hurtful. I wouldn't
want I wouldn't want that myself. I don't want to
meet somebody that I lured them in by making myself
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look different. They're like, whoa dude, how much time did
you spend editing that photo? But man, you can I
messed around with face tune a while just to see
what it was like. Then I don't even have it
anymore because I'm I'm not gonna spend that much time.
But man, just it takes so little effort to like
slim your face just so, and you think, Wow, I
look so much better with just that much effort.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
All right, here's the standard.
Speaker 5 (25:07):
And Katie cannot come in on this because she's super pretty,
like the best non retouched photo of you, because we
all have them.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Wow, I look good in that pick. You know, that's
as high as you can go.
Speaker 5 (25:24):
That's as handsome or pretty or whatever that is.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
WI If all you're doing is bringing the photo up
to your best real photo, yes, that's not bad as
a standard.
Speaker 5 (25:35):
If you are exceeding the possibilities of a real photo
of yourself, then you're doing things in your mind that
are not healthy.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
If you change it to something you've never actually looked
that good, that that is a different category, unless again,
you're trying to get.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
Laid, then anything goes bebby. Here's a funny one.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
I was disappointed that my Costco card expired because I
had a great picture on my Costco card. It's like
one of my better pictures of me ever for something.
Speaker 5 (26:05):
I had a driver's license once, I looked like an
action star.
Speaker 6 (26:10):
Yes, my first driver's license was money.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
It all came together.
Speaker 5 (26:13):
I had a really good beard at that point, I
looked at like a guy out of the movies. Who
would you know? Is he turned out to be, you know,
some sort of master criminal?
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Oh so good?
Speaker 4 (26:27):
You know you end up you know how if you
end up in the news, the media grabs like your
driver's license photo and that becomes the photo going everywhere.
I've thought about that before if something happened, and now
the current driver's license photo I have is just awful.
I wish I could get a change. That would be
the picture of what I look like for any story
you want. You want it to be your Costco card photo?
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Yes, yes, if you have to.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
If something happens where I end up with the news,
good or bad, use my Costco card.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
You let your Crossco card expire? Yeah somehow?
Speaker 5 (26:56):
Okay, So why don't we go through a checklist of
different Go ahead, Michael, did you have more criticism?
Speaker 3 (27:03):
I say, you know, do you let your kids starve too?
That was ji? Yeah, a boy, That's what I was
looking for us, That's what I was open.
Speaker 6 (27:10):
For, Michael.
Speaker 5 (27:11):
All right, So throw out scenarios and I'll rule whether
they're okay. For instance, family picture, your kid has acne
problems and is super sensitive about it.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
M they're super sensitive about it.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
That's different the family picture like the one that's gonna.
Speaker 5 (27:31):
Go on the wall in the hallway, maybe a Christmas card.
Speaker 6 (27:37):
See, I'd be okay with it, because that acne isn't forever.
You're gonna grow up, and if they want that picture
up the way, you know, then.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
It is strictly speaking, a disease.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (27:48):
I realize that makes it sound more serious than it,
but it can be very serious for people and the
way they feel about themselves.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
Certainly for my own personal use the pictures my phone.
I've never altered my kids to make them look better ever,
not one.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
No, Yeah, I want to know what looks like right? Yeah?
Me on the other hand, Hi, what do you want
to do with me? Ever?
Speaker 5 (28:10):
Using slimming software? Now, other than like for dating functions.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
I never have for real, I don't think I ever
would except for dating situations. But so you know, all
of this is there are lots of gray areas you're
I guess some men do this too, but women do
it more. I think you're wearing some sort of slimming garment.
How's that different if you're wearing a slimming garment under
your dress at the wedding. Isn't that How's that different
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than if you use the photoshop to slim yourself a
little bit?
Speaker 3 (28:40):
Why?
Speaker 5 (28:43):
Well, because it's it's possible in the real world.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
So that's your standard again, is if you could get
yourself to look like that in the real world.
Speaker 5 (28:52):
You know, it's funny between the radio show and recording this,
I went and got some more ice water from the
kitchen and just everybody's getting ready and all right, let's
go do the podcast.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
I've been thinking hard about all.
Speaker 5 (29:03):
The things we've talked about today, and I've got to
form it all into a unified philosophy. And it's going
to be something like I'm a realistarian or something like that,
because the only thing that's going to keep me from
becoming like an angry nihilist, because I think the artificial world,
the virtual world, is incredibly unhealthy and is drawing humanity
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and individual people into just terrible psychological places and addictions
and self hatred and suicide and depression and anxiety. I
think it is so effing unhealthy. We have not scratched
the surface of it. But the only way I can
live in that world is if I have an alternative
that I'm focused on, and it's going to be something
about anything that departs from what is real more than
(29:50):
just a little bit I'm just going to reject.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
Yeah, I wonder wonderful that'll happen for anybody on the
younger end, though, like Katie, you're younger, so wouldn't smartphones
come out You're a kid, probably when.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
I was in high school graduating.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
If you're if you're a young person, especially women, But
if you if you've never lived in a world where
you couldn't easily manipulate your photos and make yourself a better,
look better, how would you ever Not To answer your question,
which I think is a really interesting one, whether young
people will you know, go along with what I'm talking
about or ever get a chance to the answer is clearly, yes,
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one hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Yes.
Speaker 5 (30:28):
The question is how many I read something interesting the
other day, twenty somethings who've jettison TikTok and other social media,
and how happy they are. Now, that's not like seventy
million in the United States, but it's thousands. And just
like you know, whether you want to cite Christianity or
healthy eating or regular exercise or whatever, just because most
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people aren't is not a good reason to stop advocating
advocating for what's good and what's healthy. If I'm the
losing side again, that's fine. I can live with that.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
I was just singing for young people altering their photos,
One they will have always had that in their lives.
And two you kind of always are on a dating
app when you're It seems to me from observing social
media for young people, your life is a dating app.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
It's an interesting point. Yeah, So the point.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
You're going to be adjusting your phone, I mean, how
you couldn't have stopped me and like if I hit
we're in high school now from altering my photos to
make myself look better?
Speaker 3 (31:28):
Are you kidding? Not a chance?
Speaker 4 (31:29):
You couldn't stop me with a gun from altering my
photos to make myself look better.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
Yeah, yeah, it's a good point.
Speaker 7 (31:38):
Oh wow, what if you had an uncle that had well,
he was a pirate and he had a peg leg,
would you no or put a different type of leg
on there, like me herrot on his shoulder.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
Well, of course it's an odd scenario. Michael.
Speaker 5 (31:55):
What's your pirate uncle's name? It's hard for me to
go forward without a name.
Speaker 7 (31:59):
Art Oh god, oh boy, I'm really sorry about that.
Speaker 4 (32:05):
Wow, I hurt brushing this out of the podcast.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
I'm really sorry about that. Shiver me timbers. He gave
me scurvy with that one. Okay, all right.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
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Speaker 4 (32:32):
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Speaker 3 (32:35):
We do a new one every day. Find it wherever
you find your podcasts. Can I say this, Well, of
course I can say this.
Speaker 5 (32:44):
A friend who I work with, His wife is an obstetrician.
The stories she has heard amaze and the tattoos she
has seen, oh what, including one woman.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
I think I can tell his story. I'm sure you can.
Speaker 5 (33:05):
Should I though, oh Man's not want to get him
in trust so we're talking about tattoos on the U.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Who oh my god, or in the you who will
region The sympathy pain I'm feeling right now is.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
Sign even without the pain, just as a lifestyle choice, right,
and sometimes it's just in the suburbs, but not in
the city center.
Speaker 5 (33:28):
But uh, can I say this? You know what, I
can't say it. I'm gonna make this up completely. This
is Joe Getty lying and creating fiction that is in
no way based on any truth ever spoken by anybody.
One gal who is well on in years had a
boxing glove to either side and the caption hit it
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like a champ.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
Oh my god, it's like a champ.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
So then you have to think as a dude or
a woman. I guess if she's a lesbian. But your
first you know, you become intimate after months of dating
and courting and then of course marriage, you decide.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
To decide you love each other very much.
Speaker 4 (34:17):
You decide to become intimate, and this is the first
time you become aware of your the love of your life.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
Having it to doo, that's hit it like a champ.
Unless that tattoo is like a week old. I'm gonna
have questions. It's just reeks of class, you know. Yeah?
What do am I?
Speaker 1 (34:37):
Hm?
Speaker 4 (34:38):
How disturbed am I at that point? Am I thinking?
Speaker 3 (34:42):
Maybe not? Or you're not who I thought you were?
Speaker 7 (34:45):
Or and yes, Michael, do you bring a boxing bell
to bedums?
Speaker 3 (34:52):
Get ready? Yeah? You do that whole thing round?
Speaker 5 (34:54):
What was that a statement of kind of general principle
or was that like a specific message to.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
A lover of her past? I would have questions?
Speaker 5 (35:06):
So, baby, I can't help, but notice you've I'm going
out a whole set it to two.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
That's my goal, regardless of your signage anyway, Right, you
didn't I don't tell me to do that, right, right exactly.
It's extraneous motivation.
Speaker 6 (35:23):
This is reminding me that's my general practice. Right, This
is reminding me of one of the funniest things. So
my mother got a tattoo for her fiftieth birthday and
it is a dolphin that is jumping over a shamrock.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
And her big line was like.
Speaker 6 (35:38):
Yeah, in fifteen years, it'll be an eel stuck in
a pine tree.
Speaker 4 (35:43):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (35:45):
The comedy stylings of Katie's mom, she's fantastic.
Speaker 4 (35:52):
So does this where were we? So does this made
up doctor. Yes, find a way to. I just check
my messages real quick, and then you kind of lean
your phone this wing
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