December 30, 2024 • 36 mins
Featured during Hour 4 of the Monday, December 30, 2024 edition of The Armstrong & Getty Replay...
- Katie Tattoo Eyebrows
- Rumination over Pain, Bad Habit, Abigail Shire
- Google Chess / Robot Teaching Class
- Personality Hire
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George
Washington Broadcast Center. Jack Armstrong, Shoe, Caddy arm.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Strong and Jet Taking and he Armstrong and Catty Strong and.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Katie.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Why do you look so surprised?
Speaker 4 (00:34):
Katie is a joke about her new eyebrow tattoos, which
she mentioned during the show. So, I don't know anything
about eyebrow tattoos. You're going to get them today? Is
this a common thing? Why do you do it? What
does it cost? I need all the ins and outs.
Speaker 5 (00:48):
It is relatively common. There's a few different ways you
can have it done. You can have them tattooed. There's
something called micro blading, which is similar to tattooing. And
so I'm doing the tattooing.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
So you mentioned that one of the reasons you want
to do it is so you don't have to tattoo
yourself every day before you come to work. Those those
eyebrows I'm looking at right now aren't real.
Speaker 5 (01:09):
They they're I mean, I have eyebrows, but I need
to fill them in regularly, and they they don't line
up properly and it drives me nuts. So yeah, I
draw them on every day at three o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
They don't line up properly. No, they don't.
Speaker 5 (01:23):
One like starts farther back than the other and it
just dies. I'm so sick of it.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
You're a monster. I can hardly look at you. Uh
huh wow, bridge troll. But eyebrows.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
Eyebrows are hair, So isn't it gonna look like Groucho
Marx's mustache.
Speaker 5 (01:38):
No, So they they do the tattooing and microblading in
hair strokes, so it's it's a very fine needle and
they go in and they actually make it look like hair,
so it'll look somewhat natural. But the healing process is
going to be hilarious.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
So are you gonna be wearing like big Yoko Ono
sunglasses tomorrow or what?
Speaker 5 (01:57):
I was debating a hat, but I'm not too sure
how close I can get to, so I might just
have to let you guys stare at them.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Look at your open wounds.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
Yeah, losing open wounds above your eyes.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
I'm so excited about this.
Speaker 5 (02:10):
I know it's it's probably sounds insane to you guys,
but the process of drawing them on and messing them
up and having to go back and redo them it's
just at thirty five, I don't know how to draw
my eyebrows on.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
So this is going to be a huge time saver. Yeah,
well where do you get that?
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Will?
Speaker 4 (02:27):
They move with your face like you you can look
surprised her it's on her skin.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Nine.
Speaker 5 (02:32):
No, they're like floating, so they stay while the rest
of my face is animated.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
It's like a filter on Google.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Means. Ah see, I've never been a party girl.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
So all of this is to me, like, you know,
like a tribe in the Amazon that's had no contact
with the modern world.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Your ways are foreign to me. Well, not problems you
guys would have. No, No, you guys both have great eyebrows.
Well I'm I am someone who started mediocre at best started.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
Dyeing his goatee now and then, so I understand the
need to uh do something to your face.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
What is this going to cost you? It's five hundred dollars? WHOA,
But it's permanent.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
M h.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
It's permanent, which I mean if you think about it,
if you get a tattoo, like a really good one,
you're getting up in that range especially, you know, and
this is the permanent makeup. So I mean, people get
their their eyeliner done, which I can't do. People get
their lipliner. My mom did her eyeliner and her lip liner.
I have no idea how she let a needle that
close to her eyeball.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
Yeah, I know some people that have done those, and
I don't dig it. So maybe there's probably, like everything else,
there's getting a really good version of it done and
not as good version depending on price. I don't know,
but I've known some people that did the permanent eyeliner thing,
and you just you look a little like a raccoon.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Yeah. Uh, it depends. You can always add more, you
can't go full.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
I'm Courtney Love at a nightclub to start, I think, right.
Speaker 5 (04:06):
But I am taking a risk because I mean, I'm
praying to all that is holy that it doesn't get done,
and I hate it.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
The eyebrow makes more sense to me than the eyes
or the lips.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Actually, oh yeah, unless some sort of shaven headed look
becomes super hot in the future.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
I mean, women shave their eyebrows, shave their heads just the.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
You don't notice what eyebrows do for your look until
you don't have them. When I was doing chemotherapy and
I lost all my hair, and my eyebrows went away.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
It's it makes you look weird.
Speaker 5 (04:38):
Yeah, and people are shaving them off right now as
like a trend. Yeah, there's a girl I follow on
Instagram who shaves her eyebrows off only to draw them
back on every day because she doesn't like how they're placed.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Oh so she wants me in a different place. This
is real life, guys.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
Do we know why human beings have eyebrows?
Speaker 2 (05:00):
I think it's just.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Part of the whole keeping stuff out of your eyes,
you know, multiple layers of protection. I think it may
be partly just to catch stuff that would fall in
your eyes, and partly for sensory reasons. Because where you
have hair, anything that touches it, even though it hasn't
got your actual skin yet, you become aware.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
Of animals kind of have eyebrows. You can feel them,
like on a dog or whatever.
Speaker 5 (05:28):
The Google is telling me that eyebrows help protect our
eyes from bright light.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
Advisors, you gotta have a pretty heavy brow for that
to work.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Damn cave many quick question, Katie, So if you do
not like these, is there a way to get them
removed at all?
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Or is it permanent? No matter what?
Speaker 5 (05:46):
Well, I mean there's a there's tattoo removal. But no,
I'm pretty much screwed if I don't.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Like, do you have to choose a color? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (05:55):
So, and the woman who does this is fantastic. I've
seen a lot of her work, so I'm I'm very
excited about this. But she's going to go in look
at the color of my natural hair and do all
of that stuff that I don't know how to do
and line them up and.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
Well, I wouldn't normally ask this, but is that your
natural hair color that we see every day?
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Yeah? Yeah, I'm like a dirtyish blonde.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
Oh okay, So a lot of women have to spend
a lot of money to get their hair the color
your hair.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Is naturally, that's handy. Yeah, okay. Then you get your
eyebrows to match. I got it.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
And if you hate the look, you can just start
wearing a sweatband a headband like John McEnroe in the
nineteen seventies. Which is my third count the third out
of date cultural reference this podcast.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Thanks for coming.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
So now we are in the uncomfortable position since we
know you're getting this done.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
That we have to tomorrow say, oh, it looks great. No,
you don't.
Speaker 5 (06:47):
I don't want that. If it doesn't work, I need.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
To know, so, oh please, not going to be me.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Besides, you know, a couple of my kids have a
handful of tattoos, and so I know it takes a
while before it looks good. There's the whole healing process.
Although with that microfid needle you're talking about, it might
be different. So I'm expecting you to look like a
box through had a rough night.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (07:10):
They said that there can be bruising and that it
takes about ten days for it to look how it's
going to look. So this is going to be a
journey we're taking together.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Is this gonna is gonna have to have a card
to hand out? No, there's no domestic violence.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Right, no kidding? Have they told you is this gonna
hurt more than a regular tattoo? I've been told it's painless.
Speaker 5 (07:32):
Apparently she puts this lydacane cream over them and then
lets it sit for a while and does it mind.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
My mom had it done and.
Speaker 5 (07:37):
Said that she didn't feel a thing, So I don't
know if that's my sweet mother trying to comfort me
or if it actually is painless.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Are you a piercings person. Yeah, I have tattoos and piercings.
Oh okay, so this is not unfamiliar to you this
sort of time.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
I'm thinking of getting a hairline tattooed, like in roughly
the color of my hair as it is now, kind
of salt and pepper, but like the Eddie Munster, the
low like almost chimp like hairline.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
I'm going to give you a hard no on that, Joe,
don't do that.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
Could I get my bald head like tattooed to make
it look like there's hair?
Speaker 5 (08:13):
That is a thing that people are doing. Yes, Oh,
I've seen that. There is actually a business that just
opened up in my old hometown that specializes in that procedure,
where guys are going in and having little black or
whatever dots done all over their head to make it
look like just a little bit of hair growth, like
like a shadow.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Yeah, I might do that. That is doable. I could
see doing that. Do that, dire dire goatee.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Yeah, just knowing you, you'll like read the first paragraph
of an article about it, then try to do it yourself.
Problend the money. I'll lend you the money.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
What color hair Jack, would you would you be a
redhead or would you.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
Ooh, I don't remember what color my hair was.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
You can get the pattern.
Speaker 5 (08:57):
You could just get a stripe down the middle so
it looks like a little moha.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
Well okay, well we look forward to seeing how this
turns out tomorrow. Maybe we'll post pictures at the website.
And that's why not let people comment. That's always a
good idea.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
You could take a poll. Do these look like Armstrong
and Getty? They're gonna word fast? Don't you think it's
a little hat Absolutely, there's no doubt in my mind.
This is the Armstrong and Getty Show.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
This is the Armstrong and Getty Show, featuring our podcast
One more Thing, get it wherever you like to get
podcasts Chris author Abigail Schreyer, who's written a bunch of
different things, got a lot of attention.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
But anyway, this particular aspect, given my dislike of most
therapy and my experiences with therapy both for me and
my family and my kids, and the many thousands of
dollars spent, and how little good it did, if not
more harm, I thought was really really interesting. So this
is from the Joe Rogan Podcasts with an author who's
(10:01):
written a book about this sort of thing.
Speaker 6 (10:03):
I mean, it's the number one symptom of depression is
what they call rumination, this pathological obsessing over your pain. Yeah,
that's why stuff like exercise. That's one of the reasons
aside from chemical reasons. One of the reasons that doing
You know that running errands is good for your mental health.
Getting out of your house and accomplishing anything is good
(10:24):
for you. But sitting around talking and thinking about your problems,
that's a bad habit. And the best cognitive behavioral therapists
and others, you know, the dialectical behavioral therapist, the ones
who do really well with depression, the first thing they
do is try to break that on that bad pattern.
But a lot of therapists just indulge it.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
Yes, a lot is in practically all of them. What
you do every week is go in and restate your
miserable situation, whatever it is, and talk about it some more,
and then give them a bunch of money and come
back next week and ruminate on it some more, sometimes
for years at a time.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Yeah, I was.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Clicking around about this book and other things, and how
did it come across a piece in the National Review
which talks about this book bad therapy. White kids aren't
growing up with Jonathan Height's brilliant new book, The Anxious Generation,
how the great rewiring childhood is causing an epidemic of
mental illness.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
And it's all of a piece.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
It's all just a constant focus on your own mental health.
It sounds revolutionary to say in the modern world, but
just just get stuff done. You'll be thatppier.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
Yes, Kenny, Well, no knock on on therapy, But I'm
thinking about.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
People need to knock on therapy all day long.
Speaker 5 (11:35):
Well, I and I am too. I went through it
and it's just not it's not for me. There's good
therapy helps lots of people.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
I know people have been helped, but most of it's
crap and a waste of money.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
But I'm thinking about what she said there, and the
people that I know that are actively going to therapy
weekly are my friends that talk the most about their
problems all the time. And I wonder if there's like
a can if it carries over, like once you open
that threshold, you just now you just talk about them.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
What's interesting is like the knock on American culture back
in the day was nobody talked about their problems and
kept them inside, and that was supposedly awful unhealthy. Maybe
it was maybe we just got it wrong with the
pendulum swinging too far the other direction, or maybe that
was the way people are kind of designed to deal
(12:25):
with them. You just try to put them out of
your mind and move on. I don't know, but the
focusing on it and talking about it all the time
doesn't seem to be working for people.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
It's a great industry, yes, and sells a hell of
a lot of pills. If I wish I had one
one thousandths of a share of all the money that
has been made on questionable psychiatric pills. That's one of
the uh one of the failures of capitalism, I think,
(12:55):
is the nexus between private equity industry and medicine. It's
really perverted the doctor patient relationship in a lot of
unhealthy ways.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
But the talking therapy, you go in and so you
had a bad mom who treated you poorly, and you
go in and you talk about that every week for
decades in some cases. Yeah, and a lots of people
that have done that, And I just, why is it
ever going to change?
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (13:22):
I just I don't have all I have is my
own experience and that of some people I've known very
well who've dealt with similar things. But Number one, I'll
tell you from my experience, depression is entirely inward facing.
If you can outward face and interact and accomplish things
and look at other people and their needs and their
challenges and their pain, that is the best cure for
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depression in the world.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Getting out of your own head.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
And the second thing that just occurred to me, And
this is an oversimplification, but you know what, Like I'm
always saying, the two things human beings do is underthink
and overthink. And I think this may be one of
those overthinking things in that you remember, we've talked about
what you do, that's your priorities. How you spend your time,
(14:08):
those are your priorities. I don't want you know any
blah blah blah no. What's really important to me is
blah blah blah no. The way you spend your time
and attention is what's important to you. And if you
spend all of your time and attention on your problems,
that is the that's the occupation of your life. And
I've got to believe that all of us have an identity.
(14:30):
I'm the whatever guy. I'm the athlete, I'm the good
looking woman, I'm the go go achiever here at the
car lot or whatever.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
I'm the necessurly bald guy with RBF right exactly.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
But if your identity becomes I'm the depressed, anxious person.
Everybody knows that about me. They're sympathetic towards me. I'm
taking a pill, babba. If that becomes your image, you
can't let your image go. You can't abandon yourself image.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Yeah, that's a tough one, and I've known that.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
I got to make sure that doesn't happen with my
son that just to gets so locked into that identity
of his various problems. I've known people whose identity was
I was sexually abused, and that was it fit into
everything of the worldview.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
I don't know. There's the Bromide axiom rule, whatever it is.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
Focus on your problems and the problems grow. Focus on
the solution, and the solution grows. I've found that to
be pretty damn true.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Wow. Yeah, that's a good one.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
So a quick excerpt from the book, as Shreer notes,
is helpful to remember that your feelings are at the
center of everything, all the time, thing is new, it
was not always. Thus, she recalls two pieces of advice
that parents of Gen xers and of earlier generations would
prefer to their children, Knock it off and shake it off.
The first didn't over explain, it credited kids with a
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common sense, or nudged them to develop rules, had exceptions
and workarounds. But knock it off single to parent's disinclination
to become entangled in them, and shape it off didn't
solve the worst injuries, but it did a hell of
a job playing triage nurse to kids minor heartaches and injuries,
proving to kids that the hurt, or fear or possibility
of failure need not overwhelm them.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
I like that, Hey, knock it off, You'll be fine.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
As a method of triage, if the kid made it clear,
infinitely clear, like convincingly clear, no I'm not okay, Well,
that's when you offer the treatment.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
But if in the huge majority of times the kid.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
And then they're playing thirty seconds later, that's that's brilliant triage.
What a great way to put that. You know part
of it, I think, and you know me, I believe
that balance in all things. We need men and women
and compassion and order, and it's got to be in
the right mix. I just think we've become so feminized
as a society. The doting mom who falls to her
(16:52):
knees as the kid is skinned his knee.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
And you, oh, my honey, made my own it's okay.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Oh, that's become like eighty percent of American life. And
the dad it says, that'll be fine, or splash a
little water on it, go play, you'll be great.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
That is now so completely out of fashion. We're making
our kids nuts.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
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Speaker 3 (17:42):
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Speaker 2 (17:45):
So I read this article in the Wall Street Journal.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
The title was the Chess Master Trying to propel Google's
AI push, they hired a new guy, Chest the Game
of Chest. They hired this genius at Google to try
to make sure that they win the whole AI race.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
But what's the guy arounds Google Putchai? How do you
say his name? Sundar? I hadn't heard this quote.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
He thinks that the development of AI will be more
profound than the invention of fire or electricity. If he's
right about that, we better hold on to our seats
because holy crappings, I mean, and this fits in with
what I saw at the sphere, So the sphere is
(18:31):
all about super high tex stuff. Henry my Son even
asked me what's the theme here because there's lots of
math equations on the wall and lots of planets, and
I just I don't know if it was just science
or exploration or I don't know what the theme was
of the building because originally it was a U two
show for the first week though, why are all these
(18:51):
math equations on the to see bono? But Nicole accomplishment
In the lobby they had this AI chick. So it
was a robot. It's like your latest coolest robot that
i'd seen videos of before and like I said earlier,
too hot. I don't know why you got to make
the robot saw it. I mean, why'd she, you know,
make it look like a normal person. But she's standing
(19:12):
there and she's talking to the crowd. She's on a
little stage and she's talking to the crowd, and she
would ask people questions. Somebody asked me a question, and
somebody'd say something. She'd say, what's your name? And he
would say, Billy, Okay, Billy, what would you like to
ask me like your red shirt, Billy?
Speaker 2 (19:29):
You know that sort of thing.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
Just conversing with this AI computer, and it was disturbing.
And it was one of those that has the ability
for the face to move, so not just mouth opening
and closing in like eyes, but like the cheeks and
the like expression yeah expressions, that's the word. It had
full facial expressions, and it was disturbing.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
And it was hot.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
He bought two thousand and was having conversations with these people,
and no matter what you brought up, it would it
would engage in it, or ask you about how your
day was, or tell you something. And I thought, this
is clearly going to be in a classroom someday. Why
would you have individual teachers teaching Hamlet every year when
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you got this robot who knows more about Hamlet than
any individual human being has ever known, can do the
same routine every year, every semester and answer questions and
it's hot.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
That's all I need.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
But I mean in terms of taking over jobs, it
was disturbing. Henry and I especially couldn't stop watching it.
We went back to watch more after the Sphere show.
It's like, this is crazy that this is even happening.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
Well, yeah, I could see virtually every university class being
you got, whether sexy or not, a robot teaching the class,
you know, giving the material, answering questions from its vast,
unending trove of knowledge on the topic. And then if
you still have a question as a student or you
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need something clarified, you just get on a chat, a
computer chat like you're trying to figure out why you're
whatever doesn't work, And that'll be the university experience.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
Yeah, I don't know what it wouldn't be able to answer,
especially in the near future. Keeping in mind that whatever
we saw on Friday, they've probably got better technology already
today as we record this on Tuesday, and five years
from now, it'll be that much better than that. So
why won't that be the person doing the sales present
presentation over there in the boardroom in front of your salespeople,
and it can answer the questions of hey, but what
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do I do? If you know, if a client says this, well,
this is what you do because it knows more than anybody.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
Have you guys heard about the uncanny Valley with with
this AI and the robotics and whatnot.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
It's it's a part of our brain.
Speaker 5 (21:45):
That gets really uncomfortable when you start getting into that
area where it's kind of a human but you know
it's not a human.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Henry was having that problem. What's that called? It's called
the uncanny Valley?
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Wow, Henry, is the basis of so many horror creatures
in horror movies.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
You make it almost human. It's disturbing to us.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
Yeah, Henry was having that and he said, I'm this
is gonna give me nightmares tonight.
Speaker 5 (22:11):
Yeah, it's a cool genre of horror that's like blowing
up right now, especially because these robots are popping up
all over the place and kind of give people the ick.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
The facial expressions on this robot were the most disturbing
part is that it would answer, you know, a kid's
question or an adult's question, or whatever, and just the
facial expressions like looking interested and then wow, that's interesting
and puzzled and just and not like cartoonishly interested or puzzled,
but like an actual human being.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
It was weird.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
So at the risk of senning, like a guy calling
some sort of sex line of the past, what was
the hot bot.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
Wearing like a sex spot like a unitard oh sort
of thing. So it had bare legs even though they
were gray, like the color of carbon fiber.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
I mean, was it not like carrion gray, but like, there.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Are many hues of humans around the world, and we're
all deserving of love, Josh, but gray is generally reserved
for the dead.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
She was shaved headed, but like really well built, attractive
woman and very pretty and uh and obviously if you
want to go that direction, and it is Las Vegas,
they will have those with blonde hair or brown hair
or whatever hair color you prefer, doing whatever you want
to do over there.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
I'm sure it's at some point they may already they
might already. Yeah, yeah, that's a different level of where
it's on. It. It's an extra you can tack onto
your room.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
But having seen that and having Sonja Putai or whatever
his name is, say, this is going to be as
big as fire or electricity. Even if he's half right
with what I just saw, we have no We human
beings aren't ready for what's about to happen.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
True, I believe that to be true.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Yeah, there could be a sharp turn unlike any other
sharp turn, Yeah, right ahead of us.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
Yeah, and I'm old enough that I'm gonna catch it,
you know, at the tail end of my life and
have to adjust. My kids are going to grow up
in a world that I can't even imagine. Now, they
can't imagine. I have no idea what's the best way
to prepare them for it. Neither does anybody else.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
Meanwhile, he says, brainstorming his screenplay, the third world is
going to send wave after wave of millions of armed
people to come and take it right because they're still
without as we the developed world will be basking in
the wealthy glow of the AI affluence that's coming our way.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
I had one more question I had to ask Katie,
And this is just about the way some people dress
in Las Vegas. Women who are dressed crazy like I'm
a stripper outfit in Las Vegas.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
That is what is going on there mostly.
Speaker 5 (25:10):
Unfortunately, that's just like the Vegas club attire.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
So that's just the vibe. If you're going to go
to a club.
Speaker 5 (25:15):
Yeah, if you have a really short dress that you're
not too sure where you could ever wear it, you
take it to Vegas.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Okay, it's true.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
It doesn't stand out as weird there whereas it would
at the company Christmas party or certainly Easter Sunday services.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
Right, but yeah, they don't put on your whe where
for Easter Sunday.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Kidding.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
But even if you went to a bar or something, yeah,
dressed like that, you'd stand out as what But there
are so many women dressed like that there, Like, how
do you even walk in those shoes? You're if you
you know, don't bend down to pick up your keys
or I'm gonna you know, my kids are gonna be
exposed to something.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
It's just I just wonder, what was I just?
Speaker 3 (25:56):
I think people enjoy escaping their workaday lives and they
get to be somebody different.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Cool, cool. Then what happens there stays there is. It
famously said it's.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
Tough to walk through those casinos with a couple with
a twelve year old and a fourteen year old though
that's just the two boys.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
It's like educational. If I hadn't walked through there, I
was just thinking about this.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
If my dad had taken me through there when I
was a fourteen year old boy, Holy crap. I did
never stopped thinking about it. I never saw stuff like
that in real life. At age fourteen.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
I had to run off and hidden behind a slot
machine and an attempt to stay there permanently. He'd still
be there, exactly, go ooching around like Gollum in the shadows.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
I'm surprised. I'm surprised.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
At some point I didn't say where's Sam, and Henry
says he's back there, and he just locked up, locked
up with his eyes wide.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Too much, too much.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Jack Armstrong and Joe Armstrong and Getty show, Hey, We're Strong,
and Getty we're featuring our podcast One More Thing.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Find it wherever you find all your podcasts.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
I'd never run into the concept of a personality higher
before the Wall Street Journal was writing about this.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Have you ever heard this term, Katie?
Speaker 3 (27:15):
Just out of curiosity now as you are, I have
not Younger and hipper, so as the Journal describes it.
If you get further on charm than skill, and you
carry a workload light enough to float atop your bubbly demeanor,
then you might be a personality higher. And this has
actually become a thing. Charismatic, friendly, likable employees who might
(27:39):
not be that great at their job or even work
that hard, but employers are so desperate for any sort
of joy and camaraderie in the workplace they're hiring these people.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
They call them personality hires.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
Wow, so that's how I got hired exactly minor personality
Me too, Michael. So I'm thinking of somebody right now.
I won't say their name. They're out there in the newsroom.
I could see hiring them because of their personality, because
they just make the whole room better. Everybody's happier when
(28:12):
they're around, I can tell, just because of their personality.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Well, here are a couple of facts. In this case.
They're also to stop it.
Speaker 4 (28:20):
But I would I would like I would have hired
this person if they were not quite as competent as
person X, just because their personality the kind of place
that's gonna make the place more lively and happy.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Sure. Yeah, well here they quote.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
They start off the article quoting this one gal who's
definitely not a personality hier. She's a very matter of
fact person, just gets craped done. But she said, oh,
some people actually proudly advertise themselves as personal personality hires
on LinkedIn. By the way, interesting, so they quote this
gal who's not that and finds it very annoying and described.
Speaker 4 (28:55):
Now you're like me. We kind of, we kinda bitterly
are resentful against people who are like that because we're
not and they're adotizing it. Though that's what I'm like.
Speaker 5 (29:08):
I wouldn't want to advertise, Hey, I'm not very good
at my job, but I'm funny.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
Leave that first part unsad, but she cites she worked
with a personal personality hire in a previous job. Though
fun to be around, the person eventually generated resentment, didn't
really pull her load, and after winning a promotion, prompted
several coworkers to quit.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
There's just too much.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
Well I would I would think if they're not good
at their job, that's not enough to overcome it.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
But I'd never thought about this before.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
I could see hiring somebody, you know, if you're going
to weigh them on a bunch of different things. Man
lump in the hole brings the room up as opposed
to down, so bosses want the warm and fuzzies. Is
the mood at work is generally sour. One third of
US employees say they're engaged in their jobs, only a
third near an all time low. Half of workers say
(29:58):
they feel a lot of stress.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
Half interested in new jobs are actively applying with so
many lonely, unhappy charges. Bosses are desperate for a good
workplace energy. They say camaraderie is hard to build on
hybrid schedules, so they prize upbeat employees whose energy is
hopefully infectious. Then they quote a bunch of people and
recruiters from various industries and saying, yeah, we really, we
(30:19):
really need more people.
Speaker 4 (30:20):
Oh, it's clearly true. I haven't had a job I
don't like in a long long time. But when I
worked jobs that I didn't like, oh, there were certain
people that made it bearable, and when they weren't there,
it was awful.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Right, Or if they quit, everybody who's like, I can't
do this so right?
Speaker 5 (30:38):
I wonder if they're hiring these people to make it
more appealing to come back into the office too, Like
after COVID.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
That's got to be a factor. Sure.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
Yeah, so, But anyway, there's this comedian Gal who has
done a couple of bits about being a personality higher
that I think are brilliant and illustrating what it is
all about. Our name is Vienna Ailah and it's clip fifteen. Michael,
So what's the.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Project about today?
Speaker 3 (31:05):
I have no idea.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Do you guys say if we need to get an extension? Yeah,
we can't call Greg. He's so scary. Greg is our CEO.
I'll call Greg, of course, are you sure? Yeah, let's
call Greg. Greg is so terrifying. Greggy, Hey you where
are you? How are your kids? I didn't know that.
So I was doing the school production Annie.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
She's playing Annie.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Oh that's so amazing. Hold on one, said Greg when
I asked me presentation. Yeah, Greg, you.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Know I'm that saying.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
You're talking Annie with you all day? But Greg, I
have to ask you something.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
We're gonna need a couple of days, Greg, take a week.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Oh yeah, we's such plays next week. I don't want
to come to Nannie.
Speaker 5 (31:46):
Back to the important stuff. Where are you?
Speaker 2 (31:48):
I'll come me he right now. Let's freaking eat it
fri ocean talk Annie.
Speaker 6 (31:52):
My guy. I'll be right back, Okay, thank you, thank you, Greg,
I'm coming to you.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
And then there's an other bit where they have the
permit revoked for an event at the last minute, and
they're like, oh my god, the only way we could
deal with this is to like have the mayor on
our side.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
She says, the mayor. The mayor's in my ass in
abs class. I'll call her right now. She cos, hello, girl,
what's going on? Oh my god, you don't need that class.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
Your ass is amazing anyway, and she gets the permit reinstated.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
The ass she's.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
Just a schmoozer and a networker and that sort of
super uppy person doesn't but and it's harder to tell
without the visuals in that first video, but she doesn't
know anything about the project. Then she gets on the
call with Greggy and says, what am I asking for
again to our coworkers?
Speaker 2 (32:44):
An extension? Oh right, right, very She goes into that.
So it's a parody, obviously, but that's what we're talking about.
Speaker 4 (32:50):
I never I don't think enough attention is paid to
like chemistry in a group of people for work.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
I don't think most bosses ever even think about it.
They should and now in the modern world of boy
that like they said, the hybrid working in zoom, I'm
not sure any of that translates to zoom.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
Yeah, yeah, you know. I meant to talk about this
on the show. Maybe I will.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
But I was talking to my son, who's just about
to turn thirty, and he was talking about and he's
been a performer of various sorts for a very long time.
He's a musician and a gifted actor who decided not
to act. And it's fine, but he said, coming out
of COVID, the very thought of performing just seemed enormous
(33:41):
and terrifying and overwhelming.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Just so, and it's worth mentioning he lived.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
He lives in Oregon, which is so cultish in it
or was in its adherence to every COVID policy, and
as a show of hating Trump, they wouldn't let their
children play with other children for a year and a half.
And it's just devastating to so many people who so
many ages, even people in their twenties. It's horrible anyway,
(34:09):
speaking of people who have difficulty communicating and communing and
looking people in the eye and the rest of it.
Man COVID Deco declan my son said to me, He said,
I know a lot of people who are really damaged
by it, and they're not healing very quickly.
Speaker 5 (34:26):
Was it just the act of having to go out
and perform again, or were there people that weren't going
to the shows? What made it so much more difficult
post COVID, Well, because everything was so locked down. You
just you had like your roommate and you would interact
with maybe somebody at work if you were allowed to
work a little bit.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
It was like living in solitary confinement in a prison.
Obviously not that bad, but I know.
Speaker 4 (34:50):
A couple of people who talk about that dark period
where they didn't have any communication and they would, you know,
struggle to have any opportunity just to like wave to
another car far away.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
All right. I didn't live that way.
Speaker 4 (35:06):
So I.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
Guarantee they lived in a blue state. There's a prominent
musician who thinks a wonderful songwriter, but he tweeted at
one point that he felt bad for his kids because
his kids hadn't had a playdate or hugged another child
or whatever.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
For a year. I wanted to.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
Fly to Portlandia, where he resides, and punch him in
the stomach, and and just to wake him up and
say what are you doing? And all the dad about
children and being fine was out there, all of it.
But you had to virtue signal how much you despise
Trump by torturing yourself and your loved ones. And and
(35:45):
Declann lived in the midst of that. And anyway, sorry
to get started on that stuff.
Speaker 5 (35:52):
It's a well, no, it's a reality a lot of
people are dealing with still.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
And that's why his company needs a personality hire.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
Things up a little bit full circle Armstrong and Getty
Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George
Washington Broadcast Center. Jack Armstrong, Shoe, Caddy arm.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Strong and Jet Taking and he Armstrong and Catty Strong and.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Katie.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Why do you look so surprised?
Speaker 4 (00:34):
Katie is a joke about her new eyebrow tattoos, which
she mentioned during the show. So, I don't know anything
about eyebrow tattoos. You're going to get them today? Is
this a common thing? Why do you do it? What
does it cost? I need all the ins and outs.
Speaker 5 (00:48):
It is relatively common. There's a few different ways you
can have it done. You can have them tattooed. There's
something called micro blading, which is similar to tattooing. And
so I'm doing the tattooing.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
So you mentioned that one of the reasons you want
to do it is so you don't have to tattoo
yourself every day before you come to work. Those those
eyebrows I'm looking at right now aren't real.
Speaker 5 (01:09):
They they're I mean, I have eyebrows, but I need
to fill them in regularly, and they they don't line
up properly and it drives me nuts. So yeah, I
draw them on every day at three o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
They don't line up properly. No, they don't.
Speaker 5 (01:23):
One like starts farther back than the other and it
just dies. I'm so sick of it.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
You're a monster. I can hardly look at you. Uh
huh wow, bridge troll. But eyebrows.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
Eyebrows are hair, So isn't it gonna look like Groucho
Marx's mustache.
Speaker 5 (01:38):
No, So they they do the tattooing and microblading in
hair strokes, so it's it's a very fine needle and
they go in and they actually make it look like hair,
so it'll look somewhat natural. But the healing process is
going to be hilarious.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
So are you gonna be wearing like big Yoko Ono
sunglasses tomorrow or what?
Speaker 5 (01:57):
I was debating a hat, but I'm not too sure
how close I can get to, so I might just
have to let you guys stare at them.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Look at your open wounds.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
Yeah, losing open wounds above your eyes.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
I'm so excited about this.
Speaker 5 (02:10):
I know it's it's probably sounds insane to you guys,
but the process of drawing them on and messing them
up and having to go back and redo them it's
just at thirty five, I don't know how to draw
my eyebrows on.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
So this is going to be a huge time saver. Yeah,
well where do you get that?
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Will?
Speaker 4 (02:27):
They move with your face like you you can look
surprised her it's on her skin.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Nine.
Speaker 5 (02:32):
No, they're like floating, so they stay while the rest
of my face is animated.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
It's like a filter on Google.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Means. Ah see, I've never been a party girl.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
So all of this is to me, like, you know,
like a tribe in the Amazon that's had no contact
with the modern world.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Your ways are foreign to me. Well, not problems you
guys would have. No, No, you guys both have great eyebrows.
Well I'm I am someone who started mediocre at best started.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
Dyeing his goatee now and then, so I understand the
need to uh do something to your face.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
What is this going to cost you? It's five hundred dollars? WHOA,
But it's permanent.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
M h.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
It's permanent, which I mean if you think about it,
if you get a tattoo, like a really good one,
you're getting up in that range especially, you know, and
this is the permanent makeup. So I mean, people get
their their eyeliner done, which I can't do. People get
their lipliner. My mom did her eyeliner and her lip liner.
I have no idea how she let a needle that
close to her eyeball.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
Yeah, I know some people that have done those, and
I don't dig it. So maybe there's probably, like everything else,
there's getting a really good version of it done and
not as good version depending on price. I don't know,
but I've known some people that did the permanent eyeliner thing,
and you just you look a little like a raccoon.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Yeah. Uh, it depends. You can always add more, you
can't go full.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
I'm Courtney Love at a nightclub to start, I think, right.
Speaker 5 (04:06):
But I am taking a risk because I mean, I'm
praying to all that is holy that it doesn't get done,
and I hate it.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
The eyebrow makes more sense to me than the eyes
or the lips.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Actually, oh yeah, unless some sort of shaven headed look
becomes super hot in the future.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
I mean, women shave their eyebrows, shave their heads just the.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
You don't notice what eyebrows do for your look until
you don't have them. When I was doing chemotherapy and
I lost all my hair, and my eyebrows went away.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
It's it makes you look weird.
Speaker 5 (04:38):
Yeah, and people are shaving them off right now as
like a trend. Yeah, there's a girl I follow on
Instagram who shaves her eyebrows off only to draw them
back on every day because she doesn't like how they're placed.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Oh so she wants me in a different place. This
is real life, guys.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
Do we know why human beings have eyebrows?
Speaker 2 (05:00):
I think it's just.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Part of the whole keeping stuff out of your eyes,
you know, multiple layers of protection. I think it may
be partly just to catch stuff that would fall in
your eyes, and partly for sensory reasons. Because where you
have hair, anything that touches it, even though it hasn't
got your actual skin yet, you become aware.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
Of animals kind of have eyebrows. You can feel them,
like on a dog or whatever.
Speaker 5 (05:28):
The Google is telling me that eyebrows help protect our
eyes from bright light.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
Advisors, you gotta have a pretty heavy brow for that
to work.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Damn cave many quick question, Katie, So if you do
not like these, is there a way to get them
removed at all?
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Or is it permanent? No matter what?
Speaker 5 (05:46):
Well, I mean there's a there's tattoo removal. But no,
I'm pretty much screwed if I don't.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Like, do you have to choose a color? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (05:55):
So, and the woman who does this is fantastic. I've
seen a lot of her work, so I'm I'm very
excited about this. But she's going to go in look
at the color of my natural hair and do all
of that stuff that I don't know how to do
and line them up and.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
Well, I wouldn't normally ask this, but is that your
natural hair color that we see every day?
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Yeah? Yeah, I'm like a dirtyish blonde.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
Oh okay, So a lot of women have to spend
a lot of money to get their hair the color
your hair.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Is naturally, that's handy. Yeah, okay. Then you get your
eyebrows to match. I got it.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
And if you hate the look, you can just start
wearing a sweatband a headband like John McEnroe in the
nineteen seventies. Which is my third count the third out
of date cultural reference this podcast.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Thanks for coming.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
So now we are in the uncomfortable position since we
know you're getting this done.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
That we have to tomorrow say, oh, it looks great. No,
you don't.
Speaker 5 (06:47):
I don't want that. If it doesn't work, I need.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
To know, so, oh please, not going to be me.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Besides, you know, a couple of my kids have a
handful of tattoos, and so I know it takes a
while before it looks good. There's the whole healing process.
Although with that microfid needle you're talking about, it might
be different. So I'm expecting you to look like a
box through had a rough night.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (07:10):
They said that there can be bruising and that it
takes about ten days for it to look how it's
going to look. So this is going to be a
journey we're taking together.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Is this gonna is gonna have to have a card
to hand out? No, there's no domestic violence.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Right, no kidding? Have they told you is this gonna
hurt more than a regular tattoo? I've been told it's painless.
Speaker 5 (07:32):
Apparently she puts this lydacane cream over them and then
lets it sit for a while and does it mind.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
My mom had it done and.
Speaker 5 (07:37):
Said that she didn't feel a thing, So I don't
know if that's my sweet mother trying to comfort me
or if it actually is painless.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Are you a piercings person. Yeah, I have tattoos and piercings.
Oh okay, so this is not unfamiliar to you this
sort of time.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
I'm thinking of getting a hairline tattooed, like in roughly
the color of my hair as it is now, kind
of salt and pepper, but like the Eddie Munster, the
low like almost chimp like hairline.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
I'm going to give you a hard no on that, Joe,
don't do that.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
Could I get my bald head like tattooed to make
it look like there's hair?
Speaker 5 (08:13):
That is a thing that people are doing. Yes, Oh,
I've seen that. There is actually a business that just
opened up in my old hometown that specializes in that procedure,
where guys are going in and having little black or
whatever dots done all over their head to make it
look like just a little bit of hair growth, like
like a shadow.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Yeah, I might do that. That is doable. I could
see doing that. Do that, dire dire goatee.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Yeah, just knowing you, you'll like read the first paragraph
of an article about it, then try to do it yourself.
Problend the money. I'll lend you the money.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
What color hair Jack, would you would you be a
redhead or would you.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
Ooh, I don't remember what color my hair was.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
You can get the pattern.
Speaker 5 (08:57):
You could just get a stripe down the middle so
it looks like a little moha.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
Well okay, well we look forward to seeing how this
turns out tomorrow. Maybe we'll post pictures at the website.
And that's why not let people comment. That's always a
good idea.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
You could take a poll. Do these look like Armstrong
and Getty? They're gonna word fast? Don't you think it's
a little hat Absolutely, there's no doubt in my mind.
This is the Armstrong and Getty Show.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
This is the Armstrong and Getty Show, featuring our podcast
One more Thing, get it wherever you like to get
podcasts Chris author Abigail Schreyer, who's written a bunch of
different things, got a lot of attention.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
But anyway, this particular aspect, given my dislike of most
therapy and my experiences with therapy both for me and
my family and my kids, and the many thousands of
dollars spent, and how little good it did, if not
more harm, I thought was really really interesting. So this
is from the Joe Rogan Podcasts with an author who's
(10:01):
written a book about this sort of thing.
Speaker 6 (10:03):
I mean, it's the number one symptom of depression is
what they call rumination, this pathological obsessing over your pain. Yeah,
that's why stuff like exercise. That's one of the reasons
aside from chemical reasons. One of the reasons that doing
You know that running errands is good for your mental health.
Getting out of your house and accomplishing anything is good
(10:24):
for you. But sitting around talking and thinking about your problems,
that's a bad habit. And the best cognitive behavioral therapists
and others, you know, the dialectical behavioral therapist, the ones
who do really well with depression, the first thing they
do is try to break that on that bad pattern.
But a lot of therapists just indulge it.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
Yes, a lot is in practically all of them. What
you do every week is go in and restate your
miserable situation, whatever it is, and talk about it some more,
and then give them a bunch of money and come
back next week and ruminate on it some more, sometimes
for years at a time.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Yeah, I was.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Clicking around about this book and other things, and how
did it come across a piece in the National Review
which talks about this book bad therapy. White kids aren't
growing up with Jonathan Height's brilliant new book, The Anxious Generation,
how the great rewiring childhood is causing an epidemic of
mental illness.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
And it's all of a piece.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
It's all just a constant focus on your own mental health.
It sounds revolutionary to say in the modern world, but
just just get stuff done. You'll be thatppier.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
Yes, Kenny, Well, no knock on on therapy, But I'm
thinking about.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
People need to knock on therapy all day long.
Speaker 5 (11:35):
Well, I and I am too. I went through it
and it's just not it's not for me. There's good
therapy helps lots of people.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
I know people have been helped, but most of it's
crap and a waste of money.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
But I'm thinking about what she said there, and the
people that I know that are actively going to therapy
weekly are my friends that talk the most about their
problems all the time. And I wonder if there's like
a can if it carries over, like once you open
that threshold, you just now you just talk about them.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
What's interesting is like the knock on American culture back
in the day was nobody talked about their problems and
kept them inside, and that was supposedly awful unhealthy. Maybe
it was maybe we just got it wrong with the
pendulum swinging too far the other direction, or maybe that
was the way people are kind of designed to deal
(12:25):
with them. You just try to put them out of
your mind and move on. I don't know, but the
focusing on it and talking about it all the time
doesn't seem to be working for people.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
It's a great industry, yes, and sells a hell of
a lot of pills. If I wish I had one
one thousandths of a share of all the money that
has been made on questionable psychiatric pills. That's one of
the uh one of the failures of capitalism, I think,
(12:55):
is the nexus between private equity industry and medicine. It's
really perverted the doctor patient relationship in a lot of
unhealthy ways.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
But the talking therapy, you go in and so you
had a bad mom who treated you poorly, and you
go in and you talk about that every week for
decades in some cases. Yeah, and a lots of people
that have done that, And I just, why is it
ever going to change?
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (13:22):
I just I don't have all I have is my
own experience and that of some people I've known very
well who've dealt with similar things. But Number one, I'll
tell you from my experience, depression is entirely inward facing.
If you can outward face and interact and accomplish things
and look at other people and their needs and their
challenges and their pain, that is the best cure for
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depression in the world.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Getting out of your own head.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
And the second thing that just occurred to me, And
this is an oversimplification, but you know what, Like I'm
always saying, the two things human beings do is underthink
and overthink. And I think this may be one of
those overthinking things in that you remember, we've talked about
what you do, that's your priorities. How you spend your time,
(14:08):
those are your priorities. I don't want you know any
blah blah blah no. What's really important to me is
blah blah blah no. The way you spend your time
and attention is what's important to you. And if you
spend all of your time and attention on your problems,
that is the that's the occupation of your life. And
I've got to believe that all of us have an identity.
(14:30):
I'm the whatever guy. I'm the athlete, I'm the good
looking woman, I'm the go go achiever here at the
car lot or whatever.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
I'm the necessurly bald guy with RBF right exactly.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
But if your identity becomes I'm the depressed, anxious person.
Everybody knows that about me. They're sympathetic towards me. I'm
taking a pill, babba. If that becomes your image, you
can't let your image go. You can't abandon yourself image.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Yeah, that's a tough one, and I've known that.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
I got to make sure that doesn't happen with my
son that just to gets so locked into that identity
of his various problems. I've known people whose identity was
I was sexually abused, and that was it fit into
everything of the worldview.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
I don't know. There's the Bromide axiom rule, whatever it is.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
Focus on your problems and the problems grow. Focus on
the solution, and the solution grows. I've found that to
be pretty damn true.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Wow. Yeah, that's a good one.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
So a quick excerpt from the book, as Shreer notes,
is helpful to remember that your feelings are at the
center of everything, all the time, thing is new, it
was not always. Thus, she recalls two pieces of advice
that parents of Gen xers and of earlier generations would
prefer to their children, Knock it off and shake it off.
The first didn't over explain, it credited kids with a
(15:51):
common sense, or nudged them to develop rules, had exceptions
and workarounds. But knock it off single to parent's disinclination
to become entangled in them, and shape it off didn't
solve the worst injuries, but it did a hell of
a job playing triage nurse to kids minor heartaches and injuries,
proving to kids that the hurt, or fear or possibility
of failure need not overwhelm them.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
I like that, Hey, knock it off, You'll be fine.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
As a method of triage, if the kid made it clear,
infinitely clear, like convincingly clear, no I'm not okay, Well,
that's when you offer the treatment.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
But if in the huge majority of times the kid.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
And then they're playing thirty seconds later, that's that's brilliant triage.
What a great way to put that. You know part
of it, I think, and you know me, I believe
that balance in all things. We need men and women
and compassion and order, and it's got to be in
the right mix. I just think we've become so feminized
as a society. The doting mom who falls to her
(16:52):
knees as the kid is skinned his knee.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
And you, oh, my honey, made my own it's okay.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Oh, that's become like eighty percent of American life. And
the dad it says, that'll be fine, or splash a
little water on it, go play, you'll be great.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
That is now so completely out of fashion. We're making
our kids nuts.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
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Speaker 2 (17:45):
So I read this article in the Wall Street Journal.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
The title was the Chess Master Trying to propel Google's
AI push, they hired a new guy, Chest the Game
of Chest. They hired this genius at Google to try
to make sure that they win the whole AI race.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
But what's the guy arounds Google Putchai? How do you
say his name? Sundar? I hadn't heard this quote.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
He thinks that the development of AI will be more
profound than the invention of fire or electricity. If he's
right about that, we better hold on to our seats
because holy crappings, I mean, and this fits in with
what I saw at the sphere, So the sphere is
(18:31):
all about super high tex stuff. Henry my Son even
asked me what's the theme here because there's lots of
math equations on the wall and lots of planets, and
I just I don't know if it was just science
or exploration or I don't know what the theme was
of the building because originally it was a U two
show for the first week though, why are all these
(18:51):
math equations on the to see bono? But Nicole accomplishment
In the lobby they had this AI chick. So it
was a robot. It's like your latest coolest robot that
i'd seen videos of before and like I said earlier,
too hot. I don't know why you got to make
the robot saw it. I mean, why'd she, you know,
make it look like a normal person. But she's standing
(19:12):
there and she's talking to the crowd. She's on a
little stage and she's talking to the crowd, and she
would ask people questions. Somebody asked me a question, and
somebody'd say something. She'd say, what's your name? And he
would say, Billy, Okay, Billy, what would you like to
ask me like your red shirt, Billy?
Speaker 2 (19:29):
You know that sort of thing.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
Just conversing with this AI computer, and it was disturbing.
And it was one of those that has the ability
for the face to move, so not just mouth opening
and closing in like eyes, but like the cheeks and
the like expression yeah expressions, that's the word. It had
full facial expressions, and it was disturbing.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
And it was hot.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
He bought two thousand and was having conversations with these people,
and no matter what you brought up, it would it
would engage in it, or ask you about how your
day was, or tell you something. And I thought, this
is clearly going to be in a classroom someday. Why
would you have individual teachers teaching Hamlet every year when
(20:12):
you got this robot who knows more about Hamlet than
any individual human being has ever known, can do the
same routine every year, every semester and answer questions and
it's hot.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
That's all I need.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
But I mean in terms of taking over jobs, it
was disturbing. Henry and I especially couldn't stop watching it.
We went back to watch more after the Sphere show.
It's like, this is crazy that this is even happening.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
Well, yeah, I could see virtually every university class being
you got, whether sexy or not, a robot teaching the class,
you know, giving the material, answering questions from its vast,
unending trove of knowledge on the topic. And then if
you still have a question as a student or you
(20:58):
need something clarified, you just get on a chat, a
computer chat like you're trying to figure out why you're
whatever doesn't work, And that'll be the university experience.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
Yeah, I don't know what it wouldn't be able to answer,
especially in the near future. Keeping in mind that whatever
we saw on Friday, they've probably got better technology already
today as we record this on Tuesday, and five years
from now, it'll be that much better than that. So
why won't that be the person doing the sales present
presentation over there in the boardroom in front of your salespeople,
and it can answer the questions of hey, but what
(21:30):
do I do? If you know, if a client says this, well,
this is what you do because it knows more than anybody.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
Have you guys heard about the uncanny Valley with with
this AI and the robotics and whatnot.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
It's it's a part of our brain.
Speaker 5 (21:45):
That gets really uncomfortable when you start getting into that
area where it's kind of a human but you know
it's not a human.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Henry was having that problem. What's that called? It's called
the uncanny Valley?
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Wow, Henry, is the basis of so many horror creatures
in horror movies.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
You make it almost human. It's disturbing to us.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
Yeah, Henry was having that and he said, I'm this
is gonna give me nightmares tonight.
Speaker 5 (22:11):
Yeah, it's a cool genre of horror that's like blowing
up right now, especially because these robots are popping up
all over the place and kind of give people the ick.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
The facial expressions on this robot were the most disturbing
part is that it would answer, you know, a kid's
question or an adult's question, or whatever, and just the
facial expressions like looking interested and then wow, that's interesting
and puzzled and just and not like cartoonishly interested or puzzled,
but like an actual human being.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
It was weird.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
So at the risk of senning, like a guy calling
some sort of sex line of the past, what was
the hot bot.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
Wearing like a sex spot like a unitard oh sort
of thing. So it had bare legs even though they
were gray, like the color of carbon fiber.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
I mean, was it not like carrion gray, but like, there.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Are many hues of humans around the world, and we're
all deserving of love, Josh, but gray is generally reserved
for the dead.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
She was shaved headed, but like really well built, attractive
woman and very pretty and uh and obviously if you
want to go that direction, and it is Las Vegas,
they will have those with blonde hair or brown hair
or whatever hair color you prefer, doing whatever you want
to do over there.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
I'm sure it's at some point they may already they
might already. Yeah, yeah, that's a different level of where
it's on. It. It's an extra you can tack onto
your room.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
But having seen that and having Sonja Putai or whatever
his name is, say, this is going to be as
big as fire or electricity. Even if he's half right
with what I just saw, we have no We human
beings aren't ready for what's about to happen.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
True, I believe that to be true.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Yeah, there could be a sharp turn unlike any other
sharp turn, Yeah, right ahead of us.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
Yeah, and I'm old enough that I'm gonna catch it,
you know, at the tail end of my life and
have to adjust. My kids are going to grow up
in a world that I can't even imagine. Now, they
can't imagine. I have no idea what's the best way
to prepare them for it. Neither does anybody else.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
Meanwhile, he says, brainstorming his screenplay, the third world is
going to send wave after wave of millions of armed
people to come and take it right because they're still
without as we the developed world will be basking in
the wealthy glow of the AI affluence that's coming our way.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
I had one more question I had to ask Katie,
And this is just about the way some people dress
in Las Vegas. Women who are dressed crazy like I'm
a stripper outfit in Las Vegas.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
That is what is going on there mostly.
Speaker 5 (25:10):
Unfortunately, that's just like the Vegas club attire.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
So that's just the vibe. If you're going to go
to a club.
Speaker 5 (25:15):
Yeah, if you have a really short dress that you're
not too sure where you could ever wear it, you
take it to Vegas.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Okay, it's true.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
It doesn't stand out as weird there whereas it would
at the company Christmas party or certainly Easter Sunday services.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
Right, but yeah, they don't put on your whe where
for Easter Sunday.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Kidding.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
But even if you went to a bar or something, yeah,
dressed like that, you'd stand out as what But there
are so many women dressed like that there, Like, how
do you even walk in those shoes? You're if you
you know, don't bend down to pick up your keys
or I'm gonna you know, my kids are gonna be
exposed to something.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
It's just I just wonder, what was I just?
Speaker 3 (25:56):
I think people enjoy escaping their workaday lives and they
get to be somebody different.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Cool, cool. Then what happens there stays there is. It
famously said it's.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
Tough to walk through those casinos with a couple with
a twelve year old and a fourteen year old though
that's just the two boys.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
It's like educational. If I hadn't walked through there, I
was just thinking about this.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
If my dad had taken me through there when I
was a fourteen year old boy, Holy crap. I did
never stopped thinking about it. I never saw stuff like
that in real life. At age fourteen.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
I had to run off and hidden behind a slot
machine and an attempt to stay there permanently. He'd still
be there, exactly, go ooching around like Gollum in the shadows.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
I'm surprised. I'm surprised.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
At some point I didn't say where's Sam, and Henry
says he's back there, and he just locked up, locked
up with his eyes wide.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Too much, too much.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
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Speaker 3 (27:05):
I'd never run into the concept of a personality higher
before the Wall Street Journal was writing about this.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Have you ever heard this term, Katie?
Speaker 3 (27:15):
Just out of curiosity now as you are, I have
not Younger and hipper, so as the Journal describes it.
If you get further on charm than skill, and you
carry a workload light enough to float atop your bubbly demeanor,
then you might be a personality higher. And this has
actually become a thing. Charismatic, friendly, likable employees who might
(27:39):
not be that great at their job or even work
that hard, but employers are so desperate for any sort
of joy and camaraderie in the workplace they're hiring these people.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
They call them personality hires.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
Wow, so that's how I got hired exactly minor personality
Me too, Michael. So I'm thinking of somebody right now.
I won't say their name. They're out there in the newsroom.
I could see hiring them because of their personality, because
they just make the whole room better. Everybody's happier when
(28:12):
they're around, I can tell, just because of their personality.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Well, here are a couple of facts. In this case.
They're also to stop it.
Speaker 4 (28:20):
But I would I would like I would have hired
this person if they were not quite as competent as
person X, just because their personality the kind of place
that's gonna make the place more lively and happy.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Sure. Yeah, well here they quote.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
They start off the article quoting this one gal who's
definitely not a personality hier. She's a very matter of
fact person, just gets craped done. But she said, oh,
some people actually proudly advertise themselves as personal personality hires
on LinkedIn. By the way, interesting, so they quote this
gal who's not that and finds it very annoying and described.
Speaker 4 (28:55):
Now you're like me. We kind of, we kinda bitterly
are resentful against people who are like that because we're
not and they're adotizing it. Though that's what I'm like.
Speaker 5 (29:08):
I wouldn't want to advertise, Hey, I'm not very good
at my job, but I'm funny.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
Leave that first part unsad, but she cites she worked
with a personal personality hire in a previous job. Though
fun to be around, the person eventually generated resentment, didn't
really pull her load, and after winning a promotion, prompted
several coworkers to quit.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
There's just too much.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
Well I would I would think if they're not good
at their job, that's not enough to overcome it.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
But I'd never thought about this before.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
I could see hiring somebody, you know, if you're going
to weigh them on a bunch of different things. Man
lump in the hole brings the room up as opposed
to down, so bosses want the warm and fuzzies. Is
the mood at work is generally sour. One third of
US employees say they're engaged in their jobs, only a
third near an all time low. Half of workers say
(29:58):
they feel a lot of stress.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
Half interested in new jobs are actively applying with so
many lonely, unhappy charges. Bosses are desperate for a good
workplace energy. They say camaraderie is hard to build on
hybrid schedules, so they prize upbeat employees whose energy is
hopefully infectious. Then they quote a bunch of people and
recruiters from various industries and saying, yeah, we really, we
(30:19):
really need more people.
Speaker 4 (30:20):
Oh, it's clearly true. I haven't had a job I
don't like in a long long time. But when I
worked jobs that I didn't like, oh, there were certain
people that made it bearable, and when they weren't there,
it was awful.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Right, Or if they quit, everybody who's like, I can't
do this so right?
Speaker 5 (30:38):
I wonder if they're hiring these people to make it
more appealing to come back into the office too, Like
after COVID.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
That's got to be a factor. Sure.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
Yeah, so, But anyway, there's this comedian Gal who has
done a couple of bits about being a personality higher
that I think are brilliant and illustrating what it is
all about. Our name is Vienna Ailah and it's clip fifteen. Michael,
So what's the.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Project about today?
Speaker 3 (31:05):
I have no idea.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Do you guys say if we need to get an extension? Yeah,
we can't call Greg. He's so scary. Greg is our CEO.
I'll call Greg, of course, are you sure? Yeah, let's
call Greg. Greg is so terrifying. Greggy, Hey you where
are you? How are your kids? I didn't know that.
So I was doing the school production Annie.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
She's playing Annie.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Oh that's so amazing. Hold on one, said Greg when
I asked me presentation. Yeah, Greg, you.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Know I'm that saying.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
You're talking Annie with you all day? But Greg, I
have to ask you something.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
We're gonna need a couple of days, Greg, take a week.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Oh yeah, we's such plays next week. I don't want
to come to Nannie.
Speaker 5 (31:46):
Back to the important stuff. Where are you?
Speaker 2 (31:48):
I'll come me he right now. Let's freaking eat it
fri ocean talk Annie.
Speaker 6 (31:52):
My guy. I'll be right back, Okay, thank you, thank you, Greg,
I'm coming to you.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
And then there's an other bit where they have the
permit revoked for an event at the last minute, and
they're like, oh my god, the only way we could
deal with this is to like have the mayor on
our side.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
She says, the mayor. The mayor's in my ass in
abs class. I'll call her right now. She cos, hello, girl,
what's going on? Oh my god, you don't need that class.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
Your ass is amazing anyway, and she gets the permit reinstated.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
The ass she's.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
Just a schmoozer and a networker and that sort of
super uppy person doesn't but and it's harder to tell
without the visuals in that first video, but she doesn't
know anything about the project. Then she gets on the
call with Greggy and says, what am I asking for
again to our coworkers?
Speaker 2 (32:44):
An extension? Oh right, right, very She goes into that.
So it's a parody, obviously, but that's what we're talking about.
Speaker 4 (32:50):
I never I don't think enough attention is paid to
like chemistry in a group of people for work.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
I don't think most bosses ever even think about it.
They should and now in the modern world of boy
that like they said, the hybrid working in zoom, I'm
not sure any of that translates to zoom.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
Yeah, yeah, you know. I meant to talk about this
on the show. Maybe I will.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
But I was talking to my son, who's just about
to turn thirty, and he was talking about and he's
been a performer of various sorts for a very long time.
He's a musician and a gifted actor who decided not
to act. And it's fine, but he said, coming out
of COVID, the very thought of performing just seemed enormous
(33:41):
and terrifying and overwhelming.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Just so, and it's worth mentioning he lived.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
He lives in Oregon, which is so cultish in it
or was in its adherence to every COVID policy, and
as a show of hating Trump, they wouldn't let their
children play with other children for a year and a half.
And it's just devastating to so many people who so
many ages, even people in their twenties. It's horrible anyway,
(34:09):
speaking of people who have difficulty communicating and communing and
looking people in the eye and the rest of it.
Man COVID Deco declan my son said to me, He said,
I know a lot of people who are really damaged
by it, and they're not healing very quickly.
Speaker 5 (34:26):
Was it just the act of having to go out
and perform again, or were there people that weren't going
to the shows? What made it so much more difficult
post COVID, Well, because everything was so locked down. You
just you had like your roommate and you would interact
with maybe somebody at work if you were allowed to
work a little bit.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
It was like living in solitary confinement in a prison.
Obviously not that bad, but I know.
Speaker 4 (34:50):
A couple of people who talk about that dark period
where they didn't have any communication and they would, you know,
struggle to have any opportunity just to like wave to
another car far away.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
All right. I didn't live that way.
Speaker 4 (35:06):
So I.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
Guarantee they lived in a blue state. There's a prominent
musician who thinks a wonderful songwriter, but he tweeted at
one point that he felt bad for his kids because
his kids hadn't had a playdate or hugged another child
or whatever.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
For a year. I wanted to.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
Fly to Portlandia, where he resides, and punch him in
the stomach, and and just to wake him up and
say what are you doing? And all the dad about
children and being fine was out there, all of it.
But you had to virtue signal how much you despise
Trump by torturing yourself and your loved ones. And and
(35:45):
Declann lived in the midst of that. And anyway, sorry
to get started on that stuff.
Speaker 5 (35:52):
It's a well, no, it's a reality a lot of
people are dealing with still.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
And that's why his company needs a personality hire.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
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I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!
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