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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George
Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong, Joe Getty.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
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why because twenty twenty four was an exhausting year and
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Speaker 2 (00:45):
Either way, enjoy, thanks for.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Being I didn't pay off one of my teases during
the Armstrong and Getty radio show. If you enjoyed these
bitter foods, you might have psychopathic tendencies. And the list
is gin and tonics, love them, black coffee every day
and dark chocolate it yes, versually the only thing I'll
(01:08):
eat for dessert. All right, I'm two out of three?
Which one don't you like? You don't drink I'm not
a gin drinker.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
See it at the psychopath party though, Katie, So two
out of three is plenty welcome.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
I'm excited. And if you're not a psychopath, you you
probably have everyday sadism, it says here, which is a
person who takes pleasure from ordinary experiences in which cruelty
is vicarious.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Oh yeah, vicarious cruelty gets me through the day.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
That and a little dark chocolate to nibblon. Exactly. I
watched down My Cruelty with a nice Gin and Tonic.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
And a little dark chocolate, so satisfying.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Or a cup of coffee to help you stay up
later to watch more of the cruelty.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
You know, if there's a good cruelty on TV, yeah,
I'll want a cup of coffee to keep my eyes wide.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
All right, now you're Michael Angelo.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
Okay, let me go back about six months ago. My
wife and I purchased these tickets to a show that
was we thought would be high action, entertaining, musical, very cool,
and so I didn't realize it was the NFL playoff ice. No,
nothing like that. But I didn't realize it was the
NFL playoff week and I didn't think ahead.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Oh yeah, before before too.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
So of course this thing comes up and I realized
it's now the NFL playoff weekend, and I say, you know, look,
I really don't want to go. She goes, don't worry
about it. It's going to be great. You know, we
bought these tickets. There are one hundred dollars. You know
it's going to be fantastic. You're going to really enjoy
it. And I thought, all right, I'm going to enjoy it.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
I'll go along.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
So we get to the show and the show's not.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
What we expected.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
It's not any action at all. In fact, it's people
talking on stage doing an occasional song, talking on stage
doing it's super.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Too much Grover, not enough Elmo for Elmo and Ice exactly. Yeah,
you call it Elma on Ice. But there's the freaking
blue thing.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
So intermission comes, they say, hey, we got more great
action for you in the second half. Hang around, and
I'm thinking I don't want to hang around. So I
tell my wife. I say, hey, listen, this isn't my
cup of tea. This is not what you sold it
as and she goes, yeah, I know, I'm sorry. I
thought it was something different. I thought it was, you know,
a different type of show.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Were you just missing ad game though over this or
is that what's going on?
Speaker 4 (03:28):
So meanwhile, I'm you know, and we lived about five
minutes away, and I'm missing the Cowboys and Packers game,
and you know, I'm just trying to I enjoy NFL football.
And so I tell her listen, I want to get
out of here, and she goes, really, you didn't enjoy
any of this? I said, no, I haven't enjoyed any
of this at all. I think it's slow. I think,
you know, the music's not very good, et cetera, et cetera.
(03:49):
And so I'm listening this off. Well, I guess I
was talking too loud. And I must mention that during
part of the show, one of the speakers talks about
gratitude and being grateful. So I'm just having a private
conversation with my wife's you know, it's an oh boy.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Screaming in the lobby. No, I'm not.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
Being loud, I mean, you know, just regular regular voice.
And all of a sudden, a woman in front of
us turns around and says to my wife, well, I
guess he missed the part about gratitude. Oh, so she
has decided to interject yourself into a private conversation. Wow,
And so I kind of looked at her and I
didn't say anything.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
How many teeth did you knock out?
Speaker 5 (04:27):
No?
Speaker 3 (04:28):
I didn't, but it just.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
Made me more angry, and I said, we're getting out
of here now, let's go.
Speaker 6 (04:33):
Let's go.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Let's go.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
Grab her by the arm, and I said, you know,
and she goes and we you know, we go storming
out and I'm not happy.
Speaker 7 (04:41):
Wow, Michelangelo, get me out of here before I punch
a woman.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
No, And then she says I caused the scene. Well wait,
but I was trying to explain to her.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
I said, you know, your wife said you caused the scene,
or that lady said you caused the scene.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
My wife said I caused the scene. But mind you,
I was had. I had a regular voice. It was
a private conversation, and this stranger decided to interject into
Obviously they were eaves dropping into our conversation. She apparently
was upset because I didn't.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Like the show.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Well's yeah, it's a fine line between somebody eavesdropping on
a private conversation or being so loud that you are
they are part of your conversation. That's a fine line.
It's in the eye of the beholder.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Well, see, I almost need to get a decibel reading
to know where to come down on.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
This one, honestly exactly. I mean, you know, I think
by definition a scene happened, whether you caused it or
not is I don't know.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
I think that's why we've convened this court of hasty opinions.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
Well, this is why I'm here. I want to know
did I cause a scene or was this? I thought
the woman, you know, the strange woman, was completely out
of line. I would never introduct myself into somebody else's conversation.
Did you ever do that?
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Yes, Kenny, that's what I was just going to go with.
Speaker 7 (05:50):
You have to think about the person who is standing
there listening to a couple have a conversation and goes,
I'm jumping in there. Yeah, I want to get in that.
I mean that that's some nosy. I don't think you started.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
That is a certain sort of person that said, to
your right, decides, hey, there's a looks to me a
married couple. I think I'll jump into the middle of
their arguments. Not only that, but the superior tone she strikes.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Yes, I guess you missed the part about gratitude.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Yeah, oh, I'll show you some gratitude.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
I uh.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Yeah, I hear that.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Yeah, I think that that that's one of those things.
She showed her who she is with that comment. I
mean not, hey, dude, some of us are really enjoying this.
Can you let up on the negativity? Even that would be.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Like what do you?
Speaker 1 (06:38):
What?
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Do you mind your business? Ignore me?
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Or stand there thinking boy, this a whole has no
appreciation for fine art.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
I mean, I don't tell me her to leave.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Yeah, you didn't say anything to her period.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Like you didn't say anybody who likes this as an
fing idiot or anything like that.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
No, nothing like that at all.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Now I'm getting into dangerous territory. How long was this
uncomfortable between you and your wife?
Speaker 6 (07:00):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (07:00):
It was just like a minute, not very long.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
This wasn't a steely silence all the way home?
Speaker 4 (07:06):
No? No, no?
Speaker 3 (07:07):
But was who made the scene?
Speaker 6 (07:10):
Me?
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Or this woman?
Speaker 4 (07:11):
I argued, this woman created the scene, not.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Me, right, I volume is the key key question. I
just can't see you causing a scene. Michaelangelo and causing
a scene don't go together. No, they don't.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
I know.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
Yeah, yeah, and I'm glad it was a minor thing
because the whole steely silence all the way home is
a Oh, that's a rough one.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
She think you want us to know more about the
show in question, but I don't want to go there.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
I get the feeling you don't want to go there,
so so I want to either how old was it
the woman that butted in?
Speaker 4 (07:43):
Oh, I'd say she was in her fifties, tight late fifties.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Man, that is certainly an interesting personality trait to do that.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Now, one thing about the theater is I noticed that
as soon as we sat down, everybody was much older
than us, and so I was like, Okay, this is
a different type of crowd.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Everybody was older.
Speaker 7 (08:02):
Did that woman look like she might have participated in
like a woman's march?
Speaker 2 (08:06):
I can see that.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Yeah. Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm sorry that there was a rancor.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
But there was two things that bothered me. Two things
that ranked me was first of all, I don't like
having my time wasted, and second condescension. Those two things
I think bug me more than anything.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Well, just not digging the show. I mean, that's a
that's a that's a tough one. I mean, if you're
if you're the person you're with is digging into.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Sat through that.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
I wasn't exactly digging innumerable, but she wasn't digging it in.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
No, so that wasn't Yeah, that wasn't the issue.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
The issue was dreaming that the show effing sucked. I mean,
you know, I'm gonna start doing that when I hear
people arguing, I'm just gonna jump in them in like,
you know what, I think.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
You didn't ask me, but I think I'm with him.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
So let's getting some attention in some circles for people
who watch Saturday Night Live Saturday Night this last weekend
that there was so much of the cast of breaking
up and laughing during sketches. I mean, more than I've
ever seen ever combined in forty years watching the show
(09:31):
in one episode. And well, an interesting thing about that, Katie,
You're not old enough to have lived through the Carol
Burnett Show, which was a big popular sitcom, like the
number one show in America back in the seventies, but legendary.
These various clips were Harvey Corman and Tim Conway would
break each other up and laugh it. As a kid,
(09:52):
I really enjoyed it, and a lot of people enjoyed it,
and there's still popular YouTube clips, but it would seem
that there's a limit to how much that you can
take based on Saturday Night Live. And we're gonna play
you some examples. There's some famous Saturday Night Live clips.
I mean Jimmy Fallon used to break up a lot.
(10:12):
I mean he just for some reason, some people can't
hold it together as well as other people. And I've
watched those clips over and over again and cried laughing.
It was so funny him breaking up. But it's just
like it's a good flavor, it can't be the whole
thing or something. Ryan Gosling, the host, for whatever reason,
he can't make it through thirty seconds of any sketch
without starting to laugh. That's an interesting personality thing, isn't it.
Speaker 8 (10:36):
Now?
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Yeah, I think it is. I don't think it's like
a question of discipline.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
No no, oh no, no, no, no no no. I
don't think so either. But it's pretty interesting that you're
just so giggly even though you've got the script, you've
rehearsed it over and over again, you know what's coming,
and you can't keep from busting up, right, Yeah, And
well I should have maybe started with this. I've I'm
(11:00):
a Saturday Night Life freak. I've been so into it
since the first year. I've watched documentaries about it, I
watched the podcasts where the old cast members talk about
various sketches. I mean, just I'm super into Saturday Night Live.
And Lorne Michaels hates it when people break up, like
that's his rule number one, do not break up during
a sketch. We wrote these sketches in a certain way
(11:21):
to be funny, in a certain way. They'll be funniest
if you don't break up, do it the way you're
supposed to. I mean, he he hates it. So I
haven't seen this Ryan Gosling thing. Is the laughter? Does
it seem forced or is it genuine? No, It's definitely genuine, really,
and most of it makes me laugh because it's funny
stuff happening. And then he can't come from like but
there so the one that's getting so much attention. And
(11:43):
I read the article on the Hollywood Reporter. Heidi Gardner,
who's one of the regular cast members, completely lost it
during the Beavis and butt Heead thing and which you're
going to hear a clip of here in just a
little bit, and it's really visual. I don't know how
well this is going to come across very funny. It's
just it was. It was a news program. It was
like one of those town halls, political town halls like
(12:05):
you'd see on CNN or something like that. And the
host is talking to Kean Thompson about AI and stuff
like that. Well, Ryan Gosling is over her shoulder, looking
exactly like Beavis from Beavis and butt Head, I mean,
like the hair, the outfit, the everything like that. And
he's just sitting there and very intently listening and everything
like that. And and when Keenan Thompson points out, sorry,
(12:26):
just the person behind you looks just like Beavis, and
Ryan Gosling's looking around, like, who's he talking? But when
the butt Heead character comes out, who's really got makeup on?
Honey Gardner turns around and seas him for the first time,
and then she can't talk for like a minute, and
at some point the whole thing falls apart and it
just doesn't work anymore. But uh, and I've got some
(12:47):
of her quotes about that from a Hollywood reporter I
could hit you with. Well, let's listen to the clip. First,
but I.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
Can't just.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Oh, my gott, are you sious? What I think that's
a valid question.
Speaker 6 (13:08):
No.
Speaker 9 (13:09):
Now, they're a gentleman behind you that looks like butthead professor.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Just because our audience members aren't as informed on the
issue as you doesn't make them butts.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Butt head from the cartoon. He beaves a three. He
really like to move on and discuss AI. So would
you like him to move?
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Yes, thank you.
Speaker 9 (13:31):
The man with the gray shirt and exposed gums, sir,
(13:57):
kindly move seats.
Speaker 5 (14:03):
She's talking to you.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Oh, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
I am so sorry.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
I'm confused.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
I'm just here to learn about AI, so you know.
And then they set to get him out of the
line of view of the AI experts, so he's not
they're not distracting. They the person who looks like Beavis,
whose name is like Ralph, and the guy because I
don't they don't even know what they're talking about. I've
never heard of this cartoon, they say. But they sit
him next to each other and they're sitting the same way,
(14:36):
and then they're laughing at things. So I have I
have two comments.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Number one, it's not her fault that Keenan Thompson is
the funniest human being ever and everything he says is hilarious. Secondly,
the answer is the audience that they loved it. They're
laughing so hard they were crying. Stop, there's the end
of discussion. Let's all have fun, people, come on, we
don't need more fun.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
From the sound of it.
Speaker 7 (15:05):
It also kind of sounds like they might have set
her up for that, like they hid from her what
that cast member was gonna look like, just for the
shock value.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Yeah, So what I was wondering is because they do
dress rehearsal right before they do the show, which I
can't imagine what a long, grueling night that is. They
do a full dress rehearsal and then do the show.
But but they didn't put the prosthetics on, and he
had these prosthetics on his face that made him look like, yeah,
butt head is an odd looking human and so she
(15:34):
hadn't seen him before. And then she turns around asking
to move, and then and then when she couldn't talk
for like a minute. But so that was like, I
don't know, a third of the way through the show,
and Ryan Gosling broke up every sketch. Well, by the
time he gets toward the end of the show and
like the sketches toward the end is like, all right, okay,
can you just I mean I actually was and Henry,
I was watching with my son. Henry said that ruins
(15:55):
it when they laugh, and because we watched a whole
bunch of them, and I mean, there must just be
a limit to it, because like famously, like I said,
those Carol Burnett clips are the most famous Carol Burnett
clips of all time of a very popular comedy show
when they would break each other up. Maybe it's just
a limit. Maybe that's it. Oh sure, yeah, yeah. The
odd that Ryan Gosling cannot get through a line without laughing.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
I think it's like people who cry a lot versus
people who cry a little. It's just it's part of
your your makeup. Which reminds me of my favorite conundrum, Katie.
I don't think I've ever hit this hit you with us.
I may have if I have, forgive me, I'm I'm
getting old. Have I ever done the I told you
the one about punching yourself in the face.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
No?
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Okay, So if I punch myself in the face so
hard it makes me cry, does that make me a
tough guy or a.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Huh, you know, I've never heard of it. That that's
like Einstein level riddle right there. Yeah, you gotta get
Oppenheimer on that one. It's got quantum mechanics in it
or something makes you a mental case.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
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Speaker 3 (17:25):
I really like to know what's hot. I just partially
I think it's good for the radio show. Partially, I
just I'm interested in note. I like to know if
there's a super hot band, super hot movie, super hot whatever,
clothing style, whatever. I just like to know. And so
the other day I'm walking through the newsroom and Jensen,
who you may have heard on our show before, she's
in the newsroom. She said, do you watch The Bear?
(17:46):
I said, to what now? She said, it is my
favorite show of all time, not just my favorite show
right now, it's the best TV show ever. And I thought, wow,
we ought to have you on to talk about it.
And then weirdly, in the next forty eight hours, I
came ross a couple of different articles or tweets or
whatever from people saying this season of The Bear might
be better than last season. It's my favorite TV show
(18:07):
of all time. We brought it up on the radio show.
We got a number of text people say it's my
favorite show ever ever. That's a heck of a thing
to say.
Speaker 5 (18:15):
So.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
A story about a guy who takes a trained bear
around the country playing county fairs makes the thing dance yeah,
it on cocaine occasionally. It's a guy who drives from
town to town in an old truck, engaging in street fights,
and he's got this charming bear that rides with him.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
That sounds terrific solves people's problems. Anyway, We got a
couple of clips from The Bear. It's actually it's a story.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
About the guy who's like a brilliant, gifted chef and
his brother runs a Chicago sandwich shop, dies and he
has to take over the family business.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
That's the broad outlines, or the very basic outline. Cool,
here's the first clip. This is a delicate ecosystem, but
it's held together by a shared history, a love. I
have every intention of turning this into a actable place
of business. That's funny. The music reminds me. I'd read
(19:08):
a couple of different places that the soundtrack for the
Bears just fantastic. That's one of the things that draws
people in. But I did ask b Willco there in
the background. The only the only way I can watch
a TV show is if my kids can watch it.
So I asked Jensen. I said, is it okay for kids?
She said absolutely not. And I guess this next clip
will make that evident. It's some of the tension in
(19:28):
the kitchen. Let's hear it, Debra, make sandwiches.
Speaker 9 (19:32):
Don't stop making sandwiches.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
I'm gonna make three sections.
Speaker 9 (19:36):
Okay, They're gonna be wet hot.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
I'm sweet, all right, I'm gonna take green tape. Make
those sections. Louis, I want you to get the sandwiches.
Put them on the corresponding sections. Yea sweet labeled?
Speaker 4 (19:47):
Yes, he Mark gonna fire every single chicken we have, please? Okay, Ritchie,
do you even know how to do pricelel okay marks?
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Where are we on?
Speaker 6 (19:57):
Cakes?
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Get in there?
Speaker 3 (20:00):
What's Marcus?
Speaker 4 (20:01):
What are you doing?
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Still working on this?
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Come on?
Speaker 3 (20:05):
What are you tripping for? It doesn't make a difference.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
There's four kicks.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
And still they're not even cut yet.
Speaker 6 (20:13):
That's what.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
I am.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
I'm doing them in.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Five at them and everything, fire everything, Okay, I'll fire
everything now. I just was finishing Marcus and step out.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
Okay, I'm gonna.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Talk to Mark now. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
We're firing seventy six piece, thirty four chickens, okay, twelve
French fries.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
Twelve mash oh.
Speaker 6 (20:41):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
I'm doing at deli version Gordon Ramsey. Yeah, I'm intriguing. Wow,
heard sandwich from people I've from people have known who
worked in kitchens. That is a relatively accurate.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Wow, Wow, It's like if the Sopranos were making sandwiches.
I'll check it out. I'll probably watch an episode tonight.
Speaker 8 (21:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
And there's obviously, if people are raving about it, there's
there's much more to it than the mechanics or what
can be described pa Oh yeah, obviously, if you can,
if you can give a good flavor, if your pardon
the fun pun of the show with a thirty second clip,
and ain't ain't that great?
Speaker 3 (21:24):
It ain't that's probably a bad show, right exactly.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
It's like a song you love the first time you hear,
it's probably going to bother you by the third time, exactly.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
And in being a pigheaded idiot, it took me a
while to understand that great documentaries are all about people.
They're all about humankind and our struggles and whether it's well,
it's a story about a guy who trims bears fingernails
at a zoo, and I'm thinking, I don't have any
particular interest in bears fingernails, but it's an award winning documentary.
(21:57):
Just watch it. It's gonna end up being about life,
right anyway, do.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
We have time for that? While I suppose the podcast we.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Can make it as long as we want to, where
Joe Rogan we got three hours left, no, thank you,
my froat already hurts.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
At the end of the.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Radio show, came across this Twitter thread that I thought
was absolutely terrific, and we'll post a link for you
at Armstrong and Getty dot com. It's an analysis of
how Julius Caesar.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
Started his political career.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
And this historian said he was Rome's second greatest orator
after Cicero. And here are nine lessons from a brilliant
early speech of his that made his career take off,
and he wasn't as a young man. He came from
a good family, but he wasn't really taken very seriously.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
He was deep and dead.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
He had a reputation as a playboy. He had kind
of a Matt Gaitsitz's reputation.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
If I may, he.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
Said, I got this idea for a salad. Nobody would listen.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Exactly, raw eggs, What are you crazy? Anyway?
Speaker 1 (23:00):
In sixty three BC, the conspiracy of Cataline was unearthed.
Evidence came forward to plots to murder senators, burned the
city of Rome, overthrow the republic. You can look more
into it if you want. But the Senate in Rome
declared martial law to avert the danger and said, essentially
that the danger is so severe there's no time for trials.
(23:21):
We've just got around these people up and execute them.
And Caesar thought that was a bad idea, and he
delivered a speech in the Senate against summary execution. And
according to this historian, his speech is a master class
in swaying a group gripped by fear and anger away
from acting on their urges. And I don't know if
(23:42):
we'll go through all of this, but we'll do part
of it. Number one, name the emotions your audience is feeling.
And some of this if to you who are like
more intuitive, persuasive, You're good at you know, you're good
at speaking and influencing people. It's maybe a little obvious
to you, but I just thought it was interesting to
see it. So naing the emotions your audience is feeling
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that you need them to not act on. Chris Voss
calls this tactical empathy. Caesar begins by doing this in
order to clear a little room for reason. Quote members
of the Senate, all men who deliberate upon difficult questions
had best be devoid of hatred, friendship, anger, and pity.
When those feelings stand in the way, the mind cannot
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at all easily discern the truth. And no one has
ever served at the same time his passions and his
best interests. When you apply your intellect, it prevails. If
passion takes control, it is master, whereas the mind.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Is entirely impotent.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
That has been my experience.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
It has absolutely been my experience.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
That would be incredibly unpopular in politics today, where anger
and passion and yeah is like it's the only thing
that matters practically. Oh, I read another study the other
day as a tangent that people are much easier to
mislead when they're anger. When they're angry, you can convince
(25:05):
them of about anything if it feeds their anger.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
Oh really, that's an interesting thought, and I.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Thought, yeah, I kind of got hung up on that
because I thought, yeah, not only another person can convince
me of something when I'm angry, but I can convince
me of stuff that later, I think.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
That's not true.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
That's not healthy, it's not good that other person isn't
guilty of that.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
You're more easy to mislead when you're angry. Anyway. Caesar
went on to say, you're gonna have a really giant baby.
I got a plan for that.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Let's see. But that's not enough.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Number Two, tell us story as quickly as possible, or several, preferably,
stories that appeal to the audience's identity. Stories from history
are good, especially if you're talking to a group, Caesar
said in the Punic Wars, although the Carthaginians, both in
peace time and during truces, often did many abominable deeds,
our ancestors never did likewise when they had the opportunity,
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but they took into consideration what conduct would be consistent
with their dignity, rather than what action could be justified
against the Carthaginians, so appealed to the shared history of
the group. Number three, make very clear what the story
means and how it relates to your point. Caesar's point
in the speech is showing restraint was essential to the
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Romans coming to dominate the world. That was one of
their best qualities. Restraint is in your best interests you likewise,
members of the Senate must see to it that the
villainy of Popelius, Lentilus, and the rest do not have
more weight with you than your own dignity, and that
you do not take more thought for your anger than
for your good name. Number four affirm emotions while making
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clear they are not relevant to the decision, especially if
other voices are actively trying to stir up those emotions
against your advice. Again, empathy plus reason. Are they trying
to get us angry? We're already angry. In other words,
here's what he said. Most of those who have expressed
their opinions before me have deplored the lot of the
nation in well structured, grand language. They recounted the horrors
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of the war, the wretched fate of the conquered, the
rape of maidens and boys, children torn from their parents' arms,
matrons subjected to the will of the victor's shrines and houses, pillaged, bloodshed,
knacks of arson, in short everywhere, arms and corpses, gore
and lamentation. But by the immortal gods, what was the
aim of that eloquence? Was it to make you detest
(27:32):
the conspiracy? You know, if this is the second greatest
orator in Rome, then I believe the guy's right.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
I gotta read more. Cisserah, that is so good.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Yeah, number five.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Praise your opponents, good intentions, build common ground with the
real people you need to persuade.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
We don't do any of that anymore.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Not really. And he mentions one of the guys who's
on the other side of it. He calls him a
gallant and dedicated man who said what he said out
of patriotism. I know this man's character and such his moderation.
So he singles out one of his main opponents, praises
him up and down, and by the way slips in
(28:15):
in moderation is his greatest quality. It happens to be
what I'm arguing for anyway. Number six appeal to tradition
and self explanatory. Number seven cite more history to show
this is a dangerous precedent going in the other direction.
Number eight recommend an alternative. He recommended that they have
the guilty guys all their assets confiscated, and then be
(28:39):
sent to prisons throughout Italy, probably to await a trial.
Once the danger passed, who everybody could calm the f down? Ah,
then here's the twist, plot twist. The Senate was swayed
at first, but then Cato the Younger delivered a speech
in favor of execution. The Senate adopted Cato's proposal and
recommended Cicero execute the prisoners.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
So Caesar lost.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Ooh, but that brings us to number nine. Taking stance
for moderation can be good even if you lose. Caesar
probably knew he wouldn't win, but he had an additional motivation.
Cataline raised an army of ten thousand by championing the
interests of the poor, down trodden, disaffected at Rome the
ninety nine percent. When Catline failed and died, the poorn
down trodden remembered Caesar as a champion of their lost
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cause because he was reasonable and just, and indeed he
became the emperor and then number ten.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Crutons are the key to my salad. They allow a
crunch that you wouldn't otherwise have.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Anchovies are no.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Now, I am staunchly pro anchovy.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
Yeah, I'm disgusted by anchovies. There are fishers, right.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Not or something?
Speaker 3 (29:48):
They are a fisher something?
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Yeah, a fish or a rat, A fish or a
shoe string.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
No, they're a fish. Very salty. Sounds disgusting.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
Listeners, look for the new show I See You through
the smoke. This is when a blind neighbor teaches Jack
Armstrong barbecue techniques and wonderful friendship reform.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
What your view on Ben affleck smart guy, dumb guy,
hot guy, don't care. He's not bad looking, He's all right.
He was the world's sexiest man once for People magazine, Oh.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Oh the last once. He's dead sexy. You can't deny it,
but he I think.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
He comes off as a dope, which makes you less sexy.
And in all a.
Speaker 7 (30:37):
Lot of the photos I've seen of him, at least recently,
he always looks mad.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Well, he's a drunk, so uh, there's that. Drunks Unless
you you know, find a way to deal with it.
Tend to be quite unhappy when they're not drunk.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
So I came across this.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
This was Ben Affleck in two thousand and three talking
about the future of entertainment, and I was blown away.
You know how much he nailed. Michael, we can stop
this right and restart it? You know, stop now, it's
completely impossible. Yes, of course we can. You all right,
go ahead roll it.
Speaker 5 (31:11):
I believe that the industry has been too slow to
embrace and adopt these paradigms. If you look at historically
in terms of technologies, in terms of consumer based technologies,
you have like basically share where that introduces the consumer
to it at no cost, at which point the consumers
on the hook they figured out, they've worked out the kinks,
they figured out how it interact with it and how
to exploit it, and then you trye to feed in.
Speaker 6 (31:32):
The consumer historically has been willing to pay that fee.
Speaker 5 (31:34):
I think I think annual subscription based system is one
that works. You have the music business three point four
billion dollars a year business, okay, which is largely about
one point seven million people in the country, spending two
hundred dollars a year. That same people would spend those
two hundred dollars a year each year to have us
access to basically the entire library.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
But just in music.
Speaker 5 (31:54):
And of course you continue to read your subscription because
you pay for new music. World would be paid more
directly to the to the artists. You have less overhead,
you pay no shipping packaging, and you pay no You
know that there's this mammoth amount of executive at music
companies that are glowing off a lot of that money.
I believe that paradigm is the most effective productive. That's
the paradigm that Adam Smith would most want. I think
(32:16):
the air inefficiencies in the market now and I think
they're being worked out, and I think file sharing is
pushing the industry towards that balance because you know it's
because of its availability right now.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
Well, eventually it's just going to be video on demand,
movies on demand, because bottom line is going to eventually
affect your guys's pocketbooks if piracy containers, there.
Speaker 5 (32:35):
Is piracyper movies, and it will be it'll be moves
on demand, but it'll be a tiered structure. It will
be like if you want to watch it first weekends,
maybe it won't be available first weekend, but then if
you want to watch it, you know, you'll pay more.
Speaker 6 (32:46):
And then as it goes to another stage and its release,
it'll become less expensive. But there's a lot more adoption
that has to happen technologically speaking right now before people
can watch movies or at least integrate in terms of
the PC web connection.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
You know, the catechnology is not quite there yet, but it.
Speaker 5 (33:02):
Will be within I would say five years.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
That's pretty impossive. And he drops in Adam Smith in there.
I changed my mind about Ben Affleck.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
You know, I don't know how far ahead of his
time was, but if I'd been listening to that and
had some cash around, I might have thought, Wow, people
are going to be streaming music instead of buying it physically.
I ought to get on the ground floor of whoever's
doing that.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
I don't remember what was going on in two thousand
and three, that's clear back in like Napster days, wasn't
it Like.
Speaker 7 (33:31):
That's exactly because I was trying to think, why would
he be talking about this? But this is when Napster
and LimeWire were really big for people pirrating music.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
Now, Michael, you or someone that you knew, not you,
you wouldn't do that. Now I've someone you knew used
to get pirated movies like somehow do you remember how
they had all.
Speaker 4 (33:52):
Sorts of burning DVD software that yeah, people could do and.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
They would just find him on websites online.
Speaker 4 (33:58):
You could find him online, you could uh take to
physical media and then copy it. There are things that
got around the You know.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
Can that same person still do that to this day
or is it harder now?
Speaker 6 (34:09):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (34:09):
I'm sure you can.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
Yeah, you can definitely do it today. But it just
not makes sense.
Speaker 4 (34:12):
Find point that's yeah, it doesn't make many sense.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
So I guess Ben Affleck's point was what you're calling
pirrating and and file sharing and all that is clearly
the way things are going and and and.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
Well you didn't he didn't catch his his uh term
and for whatever reason, his Boston accent was really coming
out there. Did he not work as hard back then
to get rid of his his share where it's wicked
kiss and smart the share where.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
You got to have the shareware.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
That was kind of funny. Oh yeah, with the sharewere.
Speaker 8 (34:47):
Packy cots, Jimmy's getting He's got shareware for you. You
give you a floppy diss just take it from him. Well,
it's another How smart is that Celebrity Wednesday?
Speaker 3 (35:00):
Next Wednesday will do Leonard DiCaprio Idiot or Genius, Armstrong
and Getty
Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George
Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong, Joe Getty.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
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Speaker 3 (00:46):
Being I didn't pay off one of my teases during
the Armstrong and Getty radio show. If you enjoyed these
bitter foods, you might have psychopathic tendencies. And the list
is gin and tonics, love them, black coffee every day
and dark chocolate it yes, versually the only thing I'll
(01:08):
eat for dessert. All right, I'm two out of three?
Which one don't you like? You don't drink I'm not
a gin drinker.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
See it at the psychopath party though, Katie, So two
out of three is plenty welcome.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
I'm excited. And if you're not a psychopath, you you
probably have everyday sadism, it says here, which is a
person who takes pleasure from ordinary experiences in which cruelty
is vicarious.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Oh yeah, vicarious cruelty gets me through the day.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
That and a little dark chocolate to nibblon. Exactly. I
watched down My Cruelty with a nice Gin and Tonic.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
And a little dark chocolate, so satisfying.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Or a cup of coffee to help you stay up
later to watch more of the cruelty.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
You know, if there's a good cruelty on TV, yeah,
I'll want a cup of coffee to keep my eyes wide.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
All right, now you're Michael Angelo.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
Okay, let me go back about six months ago. My
wife and I purchased these tickets to a show that
was we thought would be high action, entertaining, musical, very cool,
and so I didn't realize it was the NFL playoff ice. No,
nothing like that. But I didn't realize it was the
NFL playoff week and I didn't think ahead.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Oh yeah, before before too.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
So of course this thing comes up and I realized
it's now the NFL playoff weekend, and I say, you know, look,
I really don't want to go. She goes, don't worry
about it. It's going to be great. You know, we
bought these tickets. There are one hundred dollars. You know
it's going to be fantastic. You're going to really enjoy
it. And I thought, all right, I'm going to enjoy it.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
I'll go along.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
So we get to the show and the show's not.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
What we expected.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
It's not any action at all. In fact, it's people
talking on stage doing an occasional song, talking on stage
doing it's super.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Too much Grover, not enough Elmo for Elmo and Ice exactly. Yeah,
you call it Elma on Ice. But there's the freaking
blue thing.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
So intermission comes, they say, hey, we got more great
action for you in the second half. Hang around, and
I'm thinking I don't want to hang around. So I
tell my wife. I say, hey, listen, this isn't my
cup of tea. This is not what you sold it
as and she goes, yeah, I know, I'm sorry. I
thought it was something different. I thought it was, you know,
a different type of show.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Were you just missing ad game though over this or
is that what's going on?
Speaker 4 (03:28):
So meanwhile, I'm you know, and we lived about five
minutes away, and I'm missing the Cowboys and Packers game,
and you know, I'm just trying to I enjoy NFL football.
And so I tell her listen, I want to get
out of here, and she goes, really, you didn't enjoy
any of this? I said, no, I haven't enjoyed any
of this at all. I think it's slow. I think,
you know, the music's not very good, et cetera, et cetera.
(03:49):
And so I'm listening this off. Well, I guess I
was talking too loud. And I must mention that during
part of the show, one of the speakers talks about
gratitude and being grateful. So I'm just having a private
conversation with my wife's you know, it's an oh boy.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Screaming in the lobby. No, I'm not.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
Being loud, I mean, you know, just regular regular voice.
And all of a sudden, a woman in front of
us turns around and says to my wife, well, I
guess he missed the part about gratitude. Oh, so she
has decided to interject yourself into a private conversation. Wow,
And so I kind of looked at her and I
didn't say anything.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
How many teeth did you knock out?
Speaker 5 (04:27):
No?
Speaker 3 (04:28):
I didn't, but it just.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
Made me more angry, and I said, we're getting out
of here now, let's go.
Speaker 6 (04:33):
Let's go.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Let's go.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
Grab her by the arm, and I said, you know,
and she goes and we you know, we go storming
out and I'm not happy.
Speaker 7 (04:41):
Wow, Michelangelo, get me out of here before I punch
a woman.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
No, And then she says I caused the scene. Well wait,
but I was trying to explain to her.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
I said, you know, your wife said you caused the scene,
or that lady said you caused the scene.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
My wife said I caused the scene. But mind you,
I was had. I had a regular voice. It was
a private conversation, and this stranger decided to interject into
Obviously they were eaves dropping into our conversation. She apparently
was upset because I didn't.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Like the show.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Well's yeah, it's a fine line between somebody eavesdropping on
a private conversation or being so loud that you are
they are part of your conversation. That's a fine line.
It's in the eye of the beholder.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Well, see, I almost need to get a decibel reading
to know where to come down on.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
This one, honestly exactly. I mean, you know, I think
by definition a scene happened, whether you caused it or
not is I don't know.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
I think that's why we've convened this court of hasty opinions.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
Well, this is why I'm here. I want to know
did I cause a scene or was this? I thought
the woman, you know, the strange woman, was completely out
of line. I would never introduct myself into somebody else's conversation.
Did you ever do that?
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Yes, Kenny, that's what I was just going to go with.
Speaker 7 (05:50):
You have to think about the person who is standing
there listening to a couple have a conversation and goes,
I'm jumping in there. Yeah, I want to get in that.
I mean that that's some nosy. I don't think you started.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
That is a certain sort of person that said, to
your right, decides, hey, there's a looks to me a
married couple. I think I'll jump into the middle of
their arguments. Not only that, but the superior tone she strikes.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Yes, I guess you missed the part about gratitude.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Yeah, oh, I'll show you some gratitude.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
I uh.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Yeah, I hear that.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Yeah, I think that that that's one of those things.
She showed her who she is with that comment. I
mean not, hey, dude, some of us are really enjoying this.
Can you let up on the negativity? Even that would be.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Like what do you?
Speaker 1 (06:38):
What?
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Do you mind your business? Ignore me?
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Or stand there thinking boy, this a whole has no
appreciation for fine art.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
I mean, I don't tell me her to leave.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Yeah, you didn't say anything to her period.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Like you didn't say anybody who likes this as an
fing idiot or anything like that.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
No, nothing like that at all.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Now I'm getting into dangerous territory. How long was this
uncomfortable between you and your wife?
Speaker 6 (07:00):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (07:00):
It was just like a minute, not very long.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
This wasn't a steely silence all the way home?
Speaker 4 (07:06):
No? No, no?
Speaker 3 (07:07):
But was who made the scene?
Speaker 6 (07:10):
Me?
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Or this woman?
Speaker 4 (07:11):
I argued, this woman created the scene, not.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Me, right, I volume is the key key question. I
just can't see you causing a scene. Michaelangelo and causing
a scene don't go together. No, they don't.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
I know.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
Yeah, yeah, and I'm glad it was a minor thing
because the whole steely silence all the way home is
a Oh, that's a rough one.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
She think you want us to know more about the
show in question, but I don't want to go there.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
I get the feeling you don't want to go there,
so so I want to either how old was it
the woman that butted in?
Speaker 4 (07:43):
Oh, I'd say she was in her fifties, tight late fifties.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Man, that is certainly an interesting personality trait to do that.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Now, one thing about the theater is I noticed that
as soon as we sat down, everybody was much older
than us, and so I was like, Okay, this is
a different type of crowd.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Everybody was older.
Speaker 7 (08:02):
Did that woman look like she might have participated in
like a woman's march?
Speaker 2 (08:06):
I can see that.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Yeah. Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm sorry that there was a rancor.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
But there was two things that bothered me. Two things
that ranked me was first of all, I don't like
having my time wasted, and second condescension. Those two things
I think bug me more than anything.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Well, just not digging the show. I mean, that's a
that's a that's a tough one. I mean, if you're
if you're the person you're with is digging into.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Sat through that.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
I wasn't exactly digging innumerable, but she wasn't digging it in.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
No, so that wasn't Yeah, that wasn't the issue.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
The issue was dreaming that the show effing sucked. I mean,
you know, I'm gonna start doing that when I hear
people arguing, I'm just gonna jump in them in like,
you know what, I think.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
You didn't ask me, but I think I'm with him.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
So let's getting some attention in some circles for people
who watch Saturday Night Live Saturday Night this last weekend
that there was so much of the cast of breaking
up and laughing during sketches. I mean, more than I've
ever seen ever combined in forty years watching the show
(09:31):
in one episode. And well, an interesting thing about that, Katie,
You're not old enough to have lived through the Carol
Burnett Show, which was a big popular sitcom, like the
number one show in America back in the seventies, but legendary.
These various clips were Harvey Corman and Tim Conway would
break each other up and laugh it. As a kid,
(09:52):
I really enjoyed it, and a lot of people enjoyed it,
and there's still popular YouTube clips, but it would seem
that there's a limit to how much that you can
take based on Saturday Night Live. And we're gonna play
you some examples. There's some famous Saturday Night Live clips.
I mean Jimmy Fallon used to break up a lot.
(10:12):
I mean he just for some reason, some people can't
hold it together as well as other people. And I've
watched those clips over and over again and cried laughing.
It was so funny him breaking up. But it's just
like it's a good flavor, it can't be the whole
thing or something. Ryan Gosling, the host, for whatever reason,
he can't make it through thirty seconds of any sketch
without starting to laugh. That's an interesting personality thing, isn't it.
Speaker 8 (10:36):
Now?
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Yeah, I think it is. I don't think it's like
a question of discipline.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
No no, oh no, no, no, no no no. I
don't think so either. But it's pretty interesting that you're
just so giggly even though you've got the script, you've
rehearsed it over and over again, you know what's coming,
and you can't keep from busting up, right, Yeah, And
well I should have maybe started with this. I've I'm
(11:00):
a Saturday Night Life freak. I've been so into it
since the first year. I've watched documentaries about it, I
watched the podcasts where the old cast members talk about
various sketches. I mean, just I'm super into Saturday Night Live.
And Lorne Michaels hates it when people break up, like
that's his rule number one, do not break up during
a sketch. We wrote these sketches in a certain way
(11:21):
to be funny, in a certain way. They'll be funniest
if you don't break up, do it the way you're
supposed to. I mean, he he hates it. So I
haven't seen this Ryan Gosling thing. Is the laughter? Does
it seem forced or is it genuine? No, It's definitely genuine, really,
and most of it makes me laugh because it's funny
stuff happening. And then he can't come from like but
there so the one that's getting so much attention. And
(11:43):
I read the article on the Hollywood Reporter. Heidi Gardner,
who's one of the regular cast members, completely lost it
during the Beavis and butt Heead thing and which you're
going to hear a clip of here in just a
little bit, and it's really visual. I don't know how
well this is going to come across very funny. It's
just it was. It was a news program. It was
like one of those town halls, political town halls like
(12:05):
you'd see on CNN or something like that. And the
host is talking to Kean Thompson about AI and stuff
like that. Well, Ryan Gosling is over her shoulder, looking
exactly like Beavis from Beavis and butt Head, I mean,
like the hair, the outfit, the everything like that. And
he's just sitting there and very intently listening and everything
like that. And and when Keenan Thompson points out, sorry,
(12:26):
just the person behind you looks just like Beavis, and
Ryan Gosling's looking around, like, who's he talking? But when
the butt Heead character comes out, who's really got makeup on?
Honey Gardner turns around and seas him for the first time,
and then she can't talk for like a minute, and
at some point the whole thing falls apart and it
just doesn't work anymore. But uh, and I've got some
(12:47):
of her quotes about that from a Hollywood reporter I
could hit you with. Well, let's listen to the clip. First,
but I.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
Can't just.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Oh, my gott, are you sious? What I think that's
a valid question.
Speaker 6 (13:08):
No.
Speaker 9 (13:09):
Now, they're a gentleman behind you that looks like butthead professor.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Just because our audience members aren't as informed on the
issue as you doesn't make them butts.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Butt head from the cartoon. He beaves a three. He
really like to move on and discuss AI. So would
you like him to move?
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Yes, thank you.
Speaker 9 (13:31):
The man with the gray shirt and exposed gums, sir,
(13:57):
kindly move seats.
Speaker 5 (14:03):
She's talking to you.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Oh, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
I am so sorry.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
I'm confused.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
I'm just here to learn about AI, so you know.
And then they set to get him out of the
line of view of the AI experts, so he's not
they're not distracting. They the person who looks like Beavis,
whose name is like Ralph, and the guy because I
don't they don't even know what they're talking about. I've
never heard of this cartoon, they say. But they sit
him next to each other and they're sitting the same way,
(14:36):
and then they're laughing at things. So I have I
have two comments.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Number one, it's not her fault that Keenan Thompson is
the funniest human being ever and everything he says is hilarious. Secondly,
the answer is the audience that they loved it. They're
laughing so hard they were crying. Stop, there's the end
of discussion. Let's all have fun, people, come on, we
don't need more fun.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
From the sound of it.
Speaker 7 (15:05):
It also kind of sounds like they might have set
her up for that, like they hid from her what
that cast member was gonna look like, just for the
shock value.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Yeah, So what I was wondering is because they do
dress rehearsal right before they do the show, which I
can't imagine what a long, grueling night that is. They
do a full dress rehearsal and then do the show.
But but they didn't put the prosthetics on, and he
had these prosthetics on his face that made him look like, yeah,
butt head is an odd looking human and so she
(15:34):
hadn't seen him before. And then she turns around asking
to move, and then and then when she couldn't talk
for like a minute. But so that was like, I
don't know, a third of the way through the show,
and Ryan Gosling broke up every sketch. Well, by the
time he gets toward the end of the show and
like the sketches toward the end is like, all right, okay,
can you just I mean I actually was and Henry,
I was watching with my son. Henry said that ruins
(15:55):
it when they laugh, and because we watched a whole
bunch of them, and I mean, there must just be
a limit to it, because like famously, like I said,
those Carol Burnett clips are the most famous Carol Burnett
clips of all time of a very popular comedy show
when they would break each other up. Maybe it's just
a limit. Maybe that's it. Oh sure, yeah, yeah. The
odd that Ryan Gosling cannot get through a line without laughing.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
I think it's like people who cry a lot versus
people who cry a little. It's just it's part of
your your makeup. Which reminds me of my favorite conundrum, Katie.
I don't think I've ever hit this hit you with us.
I may have if I have, forgive me, I'm I'm
getting old. Have I ever done the I told you
the one about punching yourself in the face.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
No?
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Okay, So if I punch myself in the face so
hard it makes me cry, does that make me a
tough guy or a.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Huh, you know, I've never heard of it. That that's
like Einstein level riddle right there. Yeah, you gotta get
Oppenheimer on that one. It's got quantum mechanics in it
or something makes you a mental case.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
But the Armstrong and Getty Show, Yeah, more Jack your
Shoe podcasts and our hot links.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Thanks The Armstrong and Giddy Show featuring our podcast one
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to get podcasts.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
I really like to know what's hot. I just partially
I think it's good for the radio show. Partially, I
just I'm interested in note. I like to know if
there's a super hot band, super hot movie, super hot whatever,
clothing style, whatever. I just like to know. And so
the other day I'm walking through the newsroom and Jensen,
who you may have heard on our show before, she's
in the newsroom. She said, do you watch The Bear?
(17:46):
I said, to what now? She said, it is my
favorite show of all time, not just my favorite show
right now, it's the best TV show ever. And I thought, wow,
we ought to have you on to talk about it.
And then weirdly, in the next forty eight hours, I
came ross a couple of different articles or tweets or
whatever from people saying this season of The Bear might
be better than last season. It's my favorite TV show
(18:07):
of all time. We brought it up on the radio show.
We got a number of text people say it's my
favorite show ever ever. That's a heck of a thing
to say.
Speaker 5 (18:15):
So.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
A story about a guy who takes a trained bear
around the country playing county fairs makes the thing dance yeah,
it on cocaine occasionally. It's a guy who drives from
town to town in an old truck, engaging in street fights,
and he's got this charming bear that rides with him.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
That sounds terrific solves people's problems. Anyway, We got a
couple of clips from The Bear. It's actually it's a story.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
About the guy who's like a brilliant, gifted chef and
his brother runs a Chicago sandwich shop, dies and he
has to take over the family business.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
That's the broad outlines, or the very basic outline. Cool,
here's the first clip. This is a delicate ecosystem, but
it's held together by a shared history, a love. I
have every intention of turning this into a actable place
of business. That's funny. The music reminds me. I'd read
(19:08):
a couple of different places that the soundtrack for the
Bears just fantastic. That's one of the things that draws
people in. But I did ask b Willco there in
the background. The only the only way I can watch
a TV show is if my kids can watch it.
So I asked Jensen. I said, is it okay for kids?
She said absolutely not. And I guess this next clip
will make that evident. It's some of the tension in
(19:28):
the kitchen. Let's hear it, Debra, make sandwiches.
Speaker 9 (19:32):
Don't stop making sandwiches.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
I'm gonna make three sections.
Speaker 9 (19:36):
Okay, They're gonna be wet hot.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
I'm sweet, all right, I'm gonna take green tape. Make
those sections. Louis, I want you to get the sandwiches.
Put them on the corresponding sections. Yea sweet labeled?
Speaker 4 (19:47):
Yes, he Mark gonna fire every single chicken we have, please? Okay, Ritchie,
do you even know how to do pricelel okay marks?
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Where are we on?
Speaker 6 (19:57):
Cakes?
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Get in there?
Speaker 3 (20:00):
What's Marcus?
Speaker 4 (20:01):
What are you doing?
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Still working on this?
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Come on?
Speaker 3 (20:05):
What are you tripping for? It doesn't make a difference.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
There's four kicks.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
And still they're not even cut yet.
Speaker 6 (20:13):
That's what.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
I am.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
I'm doing them in.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Five at them and everything, fire everything, Okay, I'll fire
everything now. I just was finishing Marcus and step out.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
Okay, I'm gonna.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Talk to Mark now. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
We're firing seventy six piece, thirty four chickens, okay, twelve
French fries.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
Twelve mash oh.
Speaker 6 (20:41):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
I'm doing at deli version Gordon Ramsey. Yeah, I'm intriguing. Wow,
heard sandwich from people I've from people have known who
worked in kitchens. That is a relatively accurate.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Wow, Wow, It's like if the Sopranos were making sandwiches.
I'll check it out. I'll probably watch an episode tonight.
Speaker 8 (21:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
And there's obviously, if people are raving about it, there's
there's much more to it than the mechanics or what
can be described pa Oh yeah, obviously, if you can,
if you can give a good flavor, if your pardon
the fun pun of the show with a thirty second clip,
and ain't ain't that great?
Speaker 3 (21:24):
It ain't that's probably a bad show, right exactly.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
It's like a song you love the first time you hear,
it's probably going to bother you by the third time, exactly.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
And in being a pigheaded idiot, it took me a
while to understand that great documentaries are all about people.
They're all about humankind and our struggles and whether it's well,
it's a story about a guy who trims bears fingernails
at a zoo, and I'm thinking, I don't have any
particular interest in bears fingernails, but it's an award winning documentary.
(21:57):
Just watch it. It's gonna end up being about life,
right anyway, do.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
We have time for that? While I suppose the podcast we.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Can make it as long as we want to, where
Joe Rogan we got three hours left, no, thank you,
my froat already hurts.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
At the end of the.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Radio show, came across this Twitter thread that I thought
was absolutely terrific, and we'll post a link for you
at Armstrong and Getty dot com. It's an analysis of
how Julius Caesar.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
Started his political career.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
And this historian said he was Rome's second greatest orator
after Cicero. And here are nine lessons from a brilliant
early speech of his that made his career take off,
and he wasn't as a young man. He came from
a good family, but he wasn't really taken very seriously.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
He was deep and dead.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
He had a reputation as a playboy. He had kind
of a Matt Gaitsitz's reputation.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
If I may, he.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
Said, I got this idea for a salad. Nobody would listen.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Exactly, raw eggs, What are you crazy? Anyway?
Speaker 1 (23:00):
In sixty three BC, the conspiracy of Cataline was unearthed.
Evidence came forward to plots to murder senators, burned the
city of Rome, overthrow the republic. You can look more
into it if you want. But the Senate in Rome
declared martial law to avert the danger and said, essentially
that the danger is so severe there's no time for trials.
(23:21):
We've just got around these people up and execute them.
And Caesar thought that was a bad idea, and he
delivered a speech in the Senate against summary execution. And
according to this historian, his speech is a master class
in swaying a group gripped by fear and anger away
from acting on their urges. And I don't know if
(23:42):
we'll go through all of this, but we'll do part
of it. Number one, name the emotions your audience is feeling.
And some of this if to you who are like
more intuitive, persuasive, You're good at you know, you're good
at speaking and influencing people. It's maybe a little obvious
to you, but I just thought it was interesting to
see it. So naing the emotions your audience is feeling
(24:04):
that you need them to not act on. Chris Voss
calls this tactical empathy. Caesar begins by doing this in
order to clear a little room for reason. Quote members
of the Senate, all men who deliberate upon difficult questions
had best be devoid of hatred, friendship, anger, and pity.
When those feelings stand in the way, the mind cannot
(24:25):
at all easily discern the truth. And no one has
ever served at the same time his passions and his
best interests. When you apply your intellect, it prevails. If
passion takes control, it is master, whereas the mind.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Is entirely impotent.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
That has been my experience.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
It has absolutely been my experience.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
That would be incredibly unpopular in politics today, where anger
and passion and yeah is like it's the only thing
that matters practically. Oh, I read another study the other
day as a tangent that people are much easier to
mislead when they're anger. When they're angry, you can convince
(25:05):
them of about anything if it feeds their anger.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
Oh really, that's an interesting thought, and I.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Thought, yeah, I kind of got hung up on that
because I thought, yeah, not only another person can convince
me of something when I'm angry, but I can convince
me of stuff that later, I think.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
That's not true.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
That's not healthy, it's not good that other person isn't
guilty of that.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
You're more easy to mislead when you're angry. Anyway. Caesar
went on to say, you're gonna have a really giant baby.
I got a plan for that.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Let's see. But that's not enough.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Number Two, tell us story as quickly as possible, or several, preferably,
stories that appeal to the audience's identity. Stories from history
are good, especially if you're talking to a group, Caesar
said in the Punic Wars, although the Carthaginians, both in
peace time and during truces, often did many abominable deeds,
our ancestors never did likewise when they had the opportunity,
(26:05):
but they took into consideration what conduct would be consistent
with their dignity, rather than what action could be justified
against the Carthaginians, so appealed to the shared history of
the group. Number three, make very clear what the story
means and how it relates to your point. Caesar's point
in the speech is showing restraint was essential to the
(26:26):
Romans coming to dominate the world. That was one of
their best qualities. Restraint is in your best interests you likewise,
members of the Senate must see to it that the
villainy of Popelius, Lentilus, and the rest do not have
more weight with you than your own dignity, and that
you do not take more thought for your anger than
for your good name. Number four affirm emotions while making
(26:50):
clear they are not relevant to the decision, especially if
other voices are actively trying to stir up those emotions
against your advice. Again, empathy plus reason. Are they trying
to get us angry? We're already angry. In other words,
here's what he said. Most of those who have expressed
their opinions before me have deplored the lot of the
nation in well structured, grand language. They recounted the horrors
(27:11):
of the war, the wretched fate of the conquered, the
rape of maidens and boys, children torn from their parents' arms,
matrons subjected to the will of the victor's shrines and houses, pillaged, bloodshed,
knacks of arson, in short everywhere, arms and corpses, gore
and lamentation. But by the immortal gods, what was the
aim of that eloquence? Was it to make you detest
(27:32):
the conspiracy? You know, if this is the second greatest
orator in Rome, then I believe the guy's right.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
I gotta read more. Cisserah, that is so good.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Yeah, number five.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Praise your opponents, good intentions, build common ground with the
real people you need to persuade.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
We don't do any of that anymore.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Not really. And he mentions one of the guys who's
on the other side of it. He calls him a
gallant and dedicated man who said what he said out
of patriotism. I know this man's character and such his moderation.
So he singles out one of his main opponents, praises
him up and down, and by the way slips in
(28:15):
in moderation is his greatest quality. It happens to be
what I'm arguing for anyway. Number six appeal to tradition
and self explanatory. Number seven cite more history to show
this is a dangerous precedent going in the other direction.
Number eight recommend an alternative. He recommended that they have
the guilty guys all their assets confiscated, and then be
(28:39):
sent to prisons throughout Italy, probably to await a trial.
Once the danger passed, who everybody could calm the f down? Ah,
then here's the twist, plot twist. The Senate was swayed
at first, but then Cato the Younger delivered a speech
in favor of execution. The Senate adopted Cato's proposal and
recommended Cicero execute the prisoners.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
So Caesar lost.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Ooh, but that brings us to number nine. Taking stance
for moderation can be good even if you lose. Caesar
probably knew he wouldn't win, but he had an additional motivation.
Cataline raised an army of ten thousand by championing the
interests of the poor, down trodden, disaffected at Rome the
ninety nine percent. When Catline failed and died, the poorn
down trodden remembered Caesar as a champion of their lost
(29:25):
cause because he was reasonable and just, and indeed he
became the emperor and then number ten.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Crutons are the key to my salad. They allow a
crunch that you wouldn't otherwise have.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Anchovies are no.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Now, I am staunchly pro anchovy.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
Yeah, I'm disgusted by anchovies. There are fishers, right.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Not or something?
Speaker 3 (29:48):
They are a fisher something?
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Yeah, a fish or a rat, A fish or a
shoe string.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
No, they're a fish. Very salty. Sounds disgusting.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
Listeners, look for the new show I See You through
the smoke. This is when a blind neighbor teaches Jack
Armstrong barbecue techniques and wonderful friendship reform.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
What your view on Ben affleck smart guy, dumb guy,
hot guy, don't care. He's not bad looking, He's all right.
He was the world's sexiest man once for People magazine, Oh.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Oh the last once. He's dead sexy. You can't deny it,
but he I think.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
He comes off as a dope, which makes you less sexy.
And in all a.
Speaker 7 (30:37):
Lot of the photos I've seen of him, at least recently,
he always looks mad.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Well, he's a drunk, so uh, there's that. Drunks Unless
you you know, find a way to deal with it.
Tend to be quite unhappy when they're not drunk.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
So I came across this.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
This was Ben Affleck in two thousand and three talking
about the future of entertainment, and I was blown away.
You know how much he nailed. Michael, we can stop
this right and restart it? You know, stop now, it's
completely impossible. Yes, of course we can. You all right,
go ahead roll it.
Speaker 5 (31:11):
I believe that the industry has been too slow to
embrace and adopt these paradigms. If you look at historically
in terms of technologies, in terms of consumer based technologies,
you have like basically share where that introduces the consumer
to it at no cost, at which point the consumers
on the hook they figured out, they've worked out the kinks,
they figured out how it interact with it and how
to exploit it, and then you trye to feed in.
Speaker 6 (31:32):
The consumer historically has been willing to pay that fee.
Speaker 5 (31:34):
I think I think annual subscription based system is one
that works. You have the music business three point four
billion dollars a year business, okay, which is largely about
one point seven million people in the country, spending two
hundred dollars a year. That same people would spend those
two hundred dollars a year each year to have us
access to basically the entire library.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
But just in music.
Speaker 5 (31:54):
And of course you continue to read your subscription because
you pay for new music. World would be paid more
directly to the to the artists. You have less overhead,
you pay no shipping packaging, and you pay no You
know that there's this mammoth amount of executive at music
companies that are glowing off a lot of that money.
I believe that paradigm is the most effective productive. That's
the paradigm that Adam Smith would most want. I think
(32:16):
the air inefficiencies in the market now and I think
they're being worked out, and I think file sharing is
pushing the industry towards that balance because you know it's
because of its availability right now.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
Well, eventually it's just going to be video on demand,
movies on demand, because bottom line is going to eventually
affect your guys's pocketbooks if piracy containers, there.
Speaker 5 (32:35):
Is piracyper movies, and it will be it'll be moves
on demand, but it'll be a tiered structure. It will
be like if you want to watch it first weekends,
maybe it won't be available first weekend, but then if
you want to watch it, you know, you'll pay more.
Speaker 6 (32:46):
And then as it goes to another stage and its release,
it'll become less expensive. But there's a lot more adoption
that has to happen technologically speaking right now before people
can watch movies or at least integrate in terms of
the PC web connection.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
You know, the catechnology is not quite there yet, but it.
Speaker 5 (33:02):
Will be within I would say five years.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
That's pretty impossive. And he drops in Adam Smith in there.
I changed my mind about Ben Affleck.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
You know, I don't know how far ahead of his
time was, but if I'd been listening to that and
had some cash around, I might have thought, Wow, people
are going to be streaming music instead of buying it physically.
I ought to get on the ground floor of whoever's
doing that.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
I don't remember what was going on in two thousand
and three, that's clear back in like Napster days, wasn't
it Like.
Speaker 7 (33:31):
That's exactly because I was trying to think, why would
he be talking about this? But this is when Napster
and LimeWire were really big for people pirrating music.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
Now, Michael, you or someone that you knew, not you,
you wouldn't do that. Now I've someone you knew used
to get pirated movies like somehow do you remember how
they had all.
Speaker 4 (33:52):
Sorts of burning DVD software that yeah, people could do and.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
They would just find him on websites online.
Speaker 4 (33:58):
You could find him online, you could uh take to
physical media and then copy it. There are things that
got around the You know.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
Can that same person still do that to this day
or is it harder now?
Speaker 6 (34:09):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (34:09):
I'm sure you can.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
Yeah, you can definitely do it today. But it just
not makes sense.
Speaker 4 (34:12):
Find point that's yeah, it doesn't make many sense.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
So I guess Ben Affleck's point was what you're calling
pirrating and and file sharing and all that is clearly
the way things are going and and and.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
Well you didn't he didn't catch his his uh term
and for whatever reason, his Boston accent was really coming
out there. Did he not work as hard back then
to get rid of his his share where it's wicked
kiss and smart the share where.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
You got to have the shareware.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
That was kind of funny. Oh yeah, with the sharewere.
Speaker 8 (34:47):
Packy cots, Jimmy's getting He's got shareware for you. You
give you a floppy diss just take it from him. Well,
it's another How smart is that Celebrity Wednesday?
Speaker 3 (35:00):
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