February 3, 2025 • 35 mins
Hour 2 of A&G features...
- Tariff talk ahead of Tariff Tuesday!
- Does blue light mess with your sleep?
- Superbowl security & is aging a disease?
- Groundhog's Day & breaking tariff news!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George
Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong, Joe Getty, arm Strong and Getty.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
And He.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Armstrong and Yetty.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
So the Grammys were last night and Beyonce one Album
of the Year for her country album. This is the
only song I'd heard from it. We played this back
when it came out.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
I spent some time.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Listening to the album last night, way way, way more
artsy than I was expecting. It's like a what do
you call it when you got a theme through a
whole album?
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Concept album? Concept album? Yeah, concept album with a lot
of giant, famous country.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Stars and that sort of stuff. I'm and okay, album
of the year whatever, whatever that means. You know, the
calling something the best art is weird to start with, fine,
but best country album.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
I just I find that interesting. Okay.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
It was absolutely a clear example the Grammys do this,
the Oscars do this, that somebody got snubbed or passed
over in the past, and they're a super giant star,
and you think, all right, let's give him a like
a Beck got Album of the Year for an album
I listened to twice and said, I'm never listening to this.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
That's interesting.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
I listened to it still. I listened to the other day.
I loved that album. Yeah, I just didn't scratch you
were I.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
But it's fairly rare that people think that's better than like,
oh Delay or what was the second one that was
so great?
Speaker 1 (01:34):
But anyway, they it's like a career.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
We should have given you something before thinks, hey, she's
a great star and singer whatever. I don't know, like
you say words for kind of eh. If Noah what's
his name hadn't been the host, it had been easier
for me to watch.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
God dang it, that guy rubs me the wrong way.
I find him so grating.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Well, he's not funny and then his political jokes. Just
shut up, dude, Why why?
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Who likes him? Right? Like kimmels him? But he's funny.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Taylor chefs I thought Taylor Swift though clinking glasses with
jay Z when Beyonce won Best Album like looking genuinely
happy for her. I think that's part of the hole.
It's like the way Elon Musk's happy. I mean, you're
so rich and so successful, you can't get under my skin.
I didn't want to do something you think I care
whatever good for you, have a good time, have a
nice night, enjoy your life.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
I don't care, right, what are you gonna do if
I had her money at burn mine?
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Exactly as they say, here's what's going on with the
whole tariff thing. If you haven't been paying attention, This
is at o'keef on CBS News.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
So starting Tuesday, there will be twenty five percent tariffs
on all Mexican exports, twenty five percent tariffs on most
Canadian exports, ten percent tariffs on Canadian energy exports, and
ten percent tariffs on all goods from China. This morning,
the President acknowledged this could lead to higher prices, writing
will there be some pain? Yes, maybe and maybe not,
(02:57):
he wrote on his social media platform, but we will
make America a great again, and it will all be
worth the price that must be paid.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
This is not my lane.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Tariff talking economics, but a couple questions I have just
from observing this. First of all, I remember when Trump
put tariffs on China the first time around first term,
and a lot of the hewing and crying of how
dom and awful this was from mainstream media. And then
the Biden administration came in and left them in place,
didn't do anything about it.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Yeah, yeah, I have no problem with with the China tariffs.
It's an untenable, ugly relationship with a bitter adversary. On
the other hand, Mexico and Canada are not our bitter adversaries.
There close allies and huge trading partners. It just I'm
gonna hit you with anvila headlines. Then we'll go from there.
The dumbest Oh wait a minute, there is the dumbest
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trade war. Fallout begins the dumbest trade war in history.
Tump Trump tariff's Americans will pay a severe price if
they remain in effect too long. Trump's move to put
tariff hikes ahead of tax Putts's cuts have spooke to
almost everyone.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Mexico and Canada fireback.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Those are all from conservative media, by the way, business
friendly conservative media. So there's there's a great deal of
angst over these tariffs and whether they're the right move.
I think the if I were to boil down the
main objection among Trump friendly tending to be Trump friendly media,
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it's that the tariffs and what they're claiming to be
accomplishing are just disconnected. We're gonna stop the illegal immigration
and drugs by punishing our neighbors with tariffs until they comply.
You know that it might work eventually, I suppose, but
it's gonna just hurt consumers in the meantime. It's gonna
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staunch growth and raise inflation almost certainly.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Does this make pretty boy Trudeau unhappy? Because if it
makes him unhappy, it makes me happy. Huh that's a
good standard, right. They find him annoying.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Oh, he's terribly annoying. I had one pushback on that. Yeah.
Absolutely willing to get to Uh.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Robert Leitthheiser, who's been defending Trump policies lately.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Yeah, that's mostly around China, which, as you were saying,
it's a lot more easily defended because we are in
a war for control of the earth with China. Okay,
here's the thing about Trump. Okay, go ahead. CEO of
Canada's second biggest company defends Trump's tariff demands, slams Trudeau
for not stopping the trade war. This is the guy
who runs Shopify, which is a very big company you
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might be familiar with. These are things that every Canadian
wants its government to do. These are not crazy demands,
even if they come from an unpopular source, said Toby
lock Letkey, who co founded Shopify. So uh, it's not
all why are you doing this to us.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Up in Canada? Just one point.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
I don't I don't understand his point. But when he
gave the guy from Shopify is in favor of it,
What was I going to say?
Speaker 5 (06:03):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (06:03):
The thing about Trump, the way he's always done business.
When he's in business.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
He walks up and grabs you by the pward. Oh boy,
I don't even have one.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
No, he will at any point he decides say no,
our deal is no longer on, we need to renegotiate it.
And he constantly beats up his suppliers and his contractors
and business partners and the rest of it. But it's
still profitable enough people do business with him because generally,
you know, with a bad run, as the exception at
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Atlantic City, it ends up being profitable for everybody.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
But he's a brutal, brutal negotiator.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
The problem is doing this with allies and international relations
is it's not like your local plumbers union.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
But man if He's got a theme throughout his adult
life whenever he would talk politics, it was about other
countries are taking advantage of us, and why do we
let this happen? I mean, he's been talking about this
for decades before he ever decided to run for president.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Yeah, yeah, well in a lot of cases.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Yeah, here's this guy, Robert Leethhauser, who's been around Republican
economics politics going way back to Reagan. He was on
Sixty Minutes last night specifically defending well tariffs in general,
but specifically around China. Here's him explaining what a threat
China is to the United States.
Speaker 6 (07:17):
China, to me, is an existential threat to the United States.
It is a very, very competent adversary. China views itself
as number one in the world and wants to be
that way. They view us as in the way they
have the biggest army in the world and they're growing it,
the biggest navy in the world, and they're growing it.
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They're spying on us, they're taking our technology. They've been
waging an economic war against the United States and winning
that war for at least the last three decades.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
And nobody was saying that out loud before Trump came along,
even though it has been going on for a long time.
So he's in favor of decoupling in every way from China,
and he explains that, So your tariff regime for China
would be what.
Speaker 6 (08:06):
I believe in strategic decoupling. I'm not saying no economic
relationship with Sean That's not my position at all. I
think you want balance trade, and how do you get
balance trade. You're going to get balance trade by having
large tariffs on most of what they send us.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
What's large?
Speaker 6 (08:24):
You know the President has floated numbers fifty sixty percent,
but I think there are big numbers like that.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Wow, those are big numbers. And then one more explanation
of that we can discuss.
Speaker 6 (08:34):
Wait a minute, you're talking about decoupling from China, what
would that look like? So it is strategic decoupling, so
we would still have trade.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
So I would say, we sell.
Speaker 6 (08:43):
You one hundred and fifty billion, we buy one hundred
and fifty billion from you.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
No more.
Speaker 6 (08:48):
We don't allow investments in China except in circumstances where
we believe that's in the interest of the United States.
We don't allow inbound investments. So we begin to disentangle.
We disentangle our technology. You could ask yourself, what is
China's policy towards us. It is exactly a mere image
of what I just said. So what I'm suggesting we
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do to China is what they.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Do to us. That made an impact on me.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
They've been doing this forever, but we were, well, we've
talked about this a lot. We had this fanciful belief
going all the way back to Nixon and through every
president up until Trump, that it's okay, we're taking a hit,
but the good thing is they're going to be a
giant economic powerhouse and they're going to be part of
friends with us. And they were, you know, laughing behind
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our backs the whole time, saying, yeah, make us powerful,
then we're going to take over the world and do
whatever the hell we want.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
And just purely economically speaking, even though the deal was
tilted strongly in their favor, we were still it was
still good for the economy in general, not so much
for manufacturers when we're going to talk about that China
shock a little bit later. But you know, overall, it
was fine to give them a better deal than we
were getting because they're still making more money. But again,
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my objection to this, and here it is, it's not
like I walk around, you know, barking at people about
tariff policy all the time.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
He got Joe get ready to hear tariff talk.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
I mean, yeah, budget, yeah, I'm finishing up a concept
album all about tariffs. I'm working with Beyonce. Anyway, that's
that's not it. I mean, I actually have beliefs about it,
but I don't feel that strongly about it. Here's what
I feel strongly about. I believe, barring some sort of
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hard turn, and Trump might make one because he is
a fan of the giant gesture that gets the small concession,
he declares victory and then calls off the dogs. If
that's the plan, Okay, that's Trump being Trump.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Let's see how it goes.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
But if he goes ahead with the tariffs, especially with
Canada and Mexico, I think that is going to have
a serious, serious consequence for American consumers. Their lives are
going to get significantly more expensive. They're going to see
industries hurt, American industries hurt. And taking Trump at his
word now on the idea of some sort of long
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term on shoring of all sorts of other things like
energy and timber and such, that would take a very
very long time.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
And here's my other problem with it.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
They would take such massive investments that a company's not
going to make them because Trump's just going to be
in power for another you know, three years and eleven
months or whatever it is. So I just I don't
think that's going to happen in the way he's talking about.
And here's my main objection to it. It's going to
screw American consumers and make people mad, which will undermine
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Conservatism's ability to do a bunch of other things that
we could do, especially if we held onto the House
and Senate.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
That's my problem.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
I think it's a misstep that could undermine all the
good stuff.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
What we'll we'll see.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
So Joe's soft on Canada, all right, the Northern Menace.
Have you heard any of the reports where they try
to tie it into Super Bowl weekend? Avocados come from Mexico,
the number one beer in America Medello. People also being
bought to lots of I don't forget what they said
from Canada. People are going to notice it at their
(12:18):
Super Bowl parties. It seems a little fast, but maybe yeah, yeah,
prices have already risen in some sectors.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
But that that ship like once a week and that
sort of thing I mean, if you send car parts
ones every six months, you're not going to see it,
but food will immediately. And I do love beer in avocados.
That's hitting me where a hurt.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
You Just like the munch on an avocado washing it
out to a beer and I eat the peel because
that's where all the nutrition is. I believe in it.
I have to choke it down. Fantastic. Well, it's going
to be uh.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
You know, people been arguing about the whole Tariff's thing
for my whole adult life of watching politics, and I've
been rolling my eyes and turning the page to the
next door because I wasn't interested. Now we get to
watch it play out and see what happens, and we'll
have some real world data on how it works, like
really really very stark real world data.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
I need to find the other thing. And this is
not about Trump, because he's just using a tool everybody
else has been using.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Where is it? I'll find it.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
But the United States of America is under I think
the number is currently thirty one different states of emergency
to give the oh no, I'm sorry here it is.
The International Emergency Economics Power Act was passed in nineteen
seventy seven to give the president extraordinarily way to deal
with any unusual and extraordinary threat from a foreign country,
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including with tariffs. That's fine and dandy, but the situation
we're in right now is absurd.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
We need to take a break. We'll tell you about
it in a minute.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
From nineteen seventy seven International Emergency Economic Powers Act. All Right,
got some tips on blue light keeping you awake at
night looking at your phone that I think will be
news You can use stay tuned.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
On the whole sleep thing.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
Looking at your devices before you go to bed or
in bed. Some people have had tremendous success with the
blue light glasses. Some people said they did nothing, So
your mileage, Mayberry, I might try it.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
So back to the Trump tariffs, just for a moment
or two. The National Review editorial boards making the point
that no president should have the power to make such
a major change to tax and trade law unilaterally.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
It does seem like an awful lot of power on
one person's hand, because the tariff is attacks that the
consumer pays almost entirely. There's just no other way to
slice it anyway. China is set out entirely, and Canada
is gonna pay it, and Mexo is gonna pay it.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
No, they're not China, and China needs to be set apart.
It's a different case, but it's not entirely clear that
the president does. The International Emergency Economic Powers Act, passed
in seventy seven, gave the president an extraordinarily way to
deal with any unusual and extraordinary threat from a foreign
country after a national emergency declaration. It's likely why the
President has raised illegal drugs and immigration as justification for
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the tariffs. His national emergency declarations on these two subjects
especially helped to unlock the powers of this law, which
are sweeping. But they point out, and this cuts across
many administrations, this is still a preposterous way to govern,
as there are currently over forty national emergencies. In effect,
you feel like now you feel like we have forty
national emergencies going on? It doesn't feel that way. Yeah,
(15:32):
you good people. Do you feel like we're in a
national emergency? Forty topics?
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Deep?
Speaker 2 (15:36):
I mean, there's some crazy stuff going on immigration for
one thing, but forty and using those emergencies quote unquote
as a fig leaf to impose tariffs on all goods in
contradiction to an existing trade agreement with our allies is
clearly contrary to congressional intent. So there's that question about
and then they go into how it's going to hurt
autoworkers and agriculture and all sorts of sectors that are
(15:57):
huge in red states. So we don't know how it's
going to play out for the next week, much less
the next couple of months, but whatever happens, it'll be interesting.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
Well, we got a couple of texts about this. I
thought we're interesting. Somebody making the point that what Trump's
hoping for is the same result he got.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Well, I'll just read it.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
He's planning on the one hour turnaround like happened with Columbia.
Maybe this will be a week instead of an hour,
but that's what he's hoping for you, and I assume
that is it too.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
He's not thinking about by next year gas will be No,
he's thinking this will be over in a couple of weeks.
They'll they'll cave and then we'll get right we want.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Yeah, and he may and that may be successful. I
think he's a little too brutal sometimes with our friends.
I mean, because like Trudeau's a weasel. But Poliev, who
I love, the conservative guy who's probably going to be
the Prime minister in Canada.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
He's super pissed off about this too. There's this point
of view, which you already mentioned. I'm afraid that Trump's
trade policies will do to the conservative movement what Dei
and Trans did to the Democrats.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Yeah, that's what I'm trying to say. I hope not.
I hope we'll see.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
I have a feeling it's a big nasty bluff, mostly hope.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
So, but again, not China. China's totally different. If you
miss a segment of the podcast Armstrong and Getty on
demand Armstrong and Getty.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
In just one week until Super Bowl fifty nine, the
Chiefs and the Eagles headed out to New Orleans. Security
is extra tight there. Hundreds of federal, state and local
officers on duty. Barricades have gone up with drones overhead,
as comes after the New Year's truck attack that killed
more than a dozen people.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Yeah, I'll bet, but I think security is always pretty
damn high at a Super Bowl. So yeah, New Orleans
belatedly so installing some things they've been told to over
and over again. I'm not saying we shouldn't do this
all the time. But so far, has there ever been
a terrorist attack on a big, well known thing like
that that we see coming.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
No, I don't think so that.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
I can think of inauguration of Super Bowl whatever. No, No,
they shows up randomly out of nowhere at the beginning
of the Boston Marathon on a Tuesday, or an airline
flight on a regular you know, day of the week
in September, that sort of thing.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
So yeah, or Loane more on halfwoot angry jackasses, which
is the fast majority of the attacks, who don't have
the capacity to pull off something big. Although wasn't there
There are a couple of guys who got a job
in security.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
For the Super Bowl. Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
Last year they had gotten jobs in security and luckily
we're caught. Maybe we just catch all of them. Maybe
that's it.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Good thing they're stupid and the FBI is working hard.
My son is trying out for the volleyball team this evening. Cool,
this is new just a friend of his.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
He said, he got peer pressured into it by a
friend of his. He knows nothing about volleyball. I was
asking my that you need to read or watch YouTube videos.
You're not going to show up to the volleyball tryout
not having the slightest idea how they score it, or
you know, just even the most basic parts of the game.
You got to show up with some knowledge because he
had zero, Like, you know, how many points you play too,
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how many people on a team?
Speaker 1 (19:19):
You know, any of the most basic how to do
any of that stuffing?
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Yeah, I mean have just some of the most basic knowledge,
all right? Have you trying to make a point to
his friend? It is pressuring him. Yeah, I'll show up.
He didn't want me to buy him some special volleyball
shoes because he's really into shoes. I said, you make
the team.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
I'll buy some special volleyball shoes. Wow, huh, we'll see
I betll it. At the other end of the spectrum, Jack,
you have aging. There's currently a fight among scientists and
people want to sell you stuff.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Over whether aging is a disease.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
A small but growing movement of scientists want a class
if by aging.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
As a disease, Okay, it probably has all kinds of
financial implications, government funding implications, that sort of thing, I
get it.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Yeah, and advertising as well, trying to convince people that
if you declare it a disease. And we're kind of
skipping to the end here, but if you declare it
a disease, you can convince people that it can be cure.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
I'm not an empty theologist.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
I was planning to be an epidemiologist, but I overslept
one morning and it fell apart.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
But it's too busy at my volleyball practices to get
my study.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
I suppose there are some ways that you can classify
what happens to cells or something like that as a disease.
But aging happens to everybody. All their diseases out there
don't happen to everyone. That seems like a big difference
to me.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Right, it's a major driver of valsentness and death, they say,
these scientists, and classifying.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Your aging is a major contributor to death, You're absolutely.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Right, one of the top ones.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Yes, And that could make it easier to get drugs
approved to treat aging itself rather than just age related
health problem.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
I do think it's damned interesting the idea that, and
I don't know why this couldn't happen, that they can't
do some sort of gene manipulation something or other where
genes stop getting older. They're not exactly sure why that
needs to happen, right, you know, because all your your
cells rather genes, but your cells. There's why Why are
the cells that are dying out? You got gazillions of
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cells dyeing every year and being replaced by different stelfs.
Why do they have to get older? Why can't they
just be the same? The problem being, of course, at
what point do you start that? I want to start
that as as a two year old? And this is
this is rare. Why don't we take at least one
phone call. Let's see on the screen that says, God
Almighty's on the line.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Yeah, thanks for bringing this up. Here's the story. Yeah,
you don't want to be immortal, all right? Trust me,
I've kind of planned the whole thing out, so don't
go messing with it, all right, love your show, longtime listener,
First time call it click.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
I'll take my answer off the air. Yeah, worry.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Calling aging a disease could lead to financial exploitation by
the anti aging industry, capitalizing on quick fixes to cure aging.
For instance, there's this one therapist who said I can
have an eighty year old who can still ski dance
or run a marathon, and I can have a forty
year old who doesn't move much and can't do any
of that age, the number is not at all an
indicator of anything.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Well, that's very true, and I know people like that myself.
Do I have to ask to a weak ass argument?
Speaker 2 (22:27):
I mean, that's I'm sorry, just on a logical that
bothers me from a perspective of logic, because that's the
exact same argument that, well, there are some men who
could be beat by some women in sports, therefore transgender
people in sports is fine.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
But I just want to nail this down. Just because
I can dance when I'm mighty, do I have to?
Or is it still optional unless this chick.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Makes you so.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
The other day, I'm at I'm at the Jim the
club thing where I go to a lift weight, and
there's some peopeople playing tennis, and they were noticeably on
the older end of people playing tennis, like quite a
bit older than you generally see out in the tennis court.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
They looked like old.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Men, kind of fat upper bodies, skinny little white legs
with their white socks pulled up.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
I mean, they looked like old men. But and I
just watched for a little bit.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
I thought one of those going to look like and man,
they were whipping that ball around. I thought they would
just crush me. I mean, I've never been really a
tennis player, but I am a lot younger than these people.
That turned out they would just crush me, and I thought, wow,
that's interesting. So I got down lifting weights at the
same time that they quit. And I don't know if
this guy liked this question or not, but I said,
excuse me, I can I ask you?
Speaker 1 (23:38):
How old are you? He said, how old do you
think I am?
Speaker 3 (23:41):
I said, I don't know, but I watched you playing
tennis out there, and you would crush me. He said,
I'm eighty five, and he stomped off like I don't
know if he was happy.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
To tell me that or Matt I asked, or whatever.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
I thought, you're eighty five freaking years old and you're playing.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Tennis like that.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
They didn't three other guys. I mean, it's just it
was really quite a yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
The final point they make is that sometimes doctors will
dismiss a symptom as a sign of aging when it
is really something bad going on, and they shouldn't do that.
That's a bad doctor anyway. They're not going to declare
aging and disease. Then I thought this was interesting also healthwise.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
This is a completely.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Different topic, but we talked about it briefly off the air,
and people seem interested in this.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
I'm going to quote from an article.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
A retired psychologist I know who worked for a prominent
hospital seeing very complex cases, told me that cluster B
personality disorders are the scariest thing to work with. He said,
they are the scariest because they're basically untreatable and they
do so much damage to the people around them.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
And I just heard the term, but I'm not familiar with. Okay,
for a layman, what is a cluster B personality disorder?
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Right? Which is all of us? Certainly?
Speaker 2 (24:47):
The best thing you can do is learn to identify
the behavior cluster B personalities display and stare clear of them.
They are destructive, deceitful, narcissistic, and grandiose, while at the
same time often struggling intense feelings of worthlessness and fear
of abandonment. One clue should be that they cause chaos
everywhere they go, often dragging other people into their webs
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of destruction.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
Oh you hate to be drug into the old wod
right right drama queens?
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Uh, what was the other professional victims?
Speaker 1 (25:20):
That sort of thing. And I'll get more into the specifics.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
But research has found that cluster beat personalities tend to
be involved in more litigation. For instance, don't get sucked
into the web of chaos. They don't love you, they
use you and then hate you.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Let's see, here's the specifics.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
Can they help it or control it? Are they just
built that way? Do they know they're doing it? That's
what I was walking about. That's a really interesting question.
I think, you know what, let's let's let's go ahead
with some of the specifics and then come back to
that question.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Old web a destruction.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
People with BPDPD experience wide mood swings, can feel a
sense of instability and insecurity. According to the Die Agnostic
Statistical Manual Diazactic Framework, some key signs and symptoms. They
include frantic efforts to avoid real or imagined abandonment by
friends and family, Unstable personal relationships that alternate between idealization
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I'm so in love and devaluation I hate her. This
is also sometimes known as splitting, distorted and unstable self image,
which affects, moods, values, opinions, goals and relationships. Impulsive behaviors
that can have dangerous outcomes, excess of spending on safe sex,
reckless driving, misuse or overuse substances, self harming behavior, including
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suicidal thoughts, periods of intense depressed mood, irritability or anxiety,
chronic feelings of boredom and emptiness, inappropriate, intense or uncontrollable anger,
often followed by shame and guilt. Wait a minute, that's
just my Friday night.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
Well, one of the problems with a lot of your
psychological problems is everybody's got a little a lot of
less staff. Sure, it's just the degree, is the problem.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Yeah, exactly. I was thinking the same thing as I
was reading.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Name me somebody who isn't ever selfish or irritable or
down or whatever. So yeah, it's all the degree or
sometimes confident and sometimes in sure. Yeah, yeah, let's see.
The antisocial personality disorder is a pattern of disregard for
in violation of the rights of others. It's a pattern
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of instability and an interpersonal relationship self image and effects
and marked impulsivity. It's you know what, It strikes me
as having, you know, gone through this whole thing is it's.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
The professional victim.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Drama queen who just has all of our king, who
has all of those things we were describing in a
way that that damage relationships and make people around them miserable.
But the original thing is that they are un they say,
they're basically untreatable. Why is that completely Yeah, but I've
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some people emerged from childhood so damaged. I don't know
how much help you can give for.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
That whole question.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
I was having this conversation with the doctor the other
day when I was there about kids. His kids are
his daughter is now going to come work in his office.
She went to medical school, but she had lots of
struggles when she was younger with a variety of things.
But anyway, he was talking about how we all learn
once we start parenting, is we have less say and
how they're going to turn out than we thought we
did at the beginning, And that whole thing is just amazing,
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you know, to what extent you have. He was using
the example of like bumpers on a bowling alley, you
can be the bumpers on the bowling alley keep from
going this far or that far. But that whole part
in the middle is them and they're gonna do their thing.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
I think that's a really good metaphor yeah, yeah, try
not to be one of those people, and if you're
one of them, be better.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
I think this is this is interesting. I know in
the world of like addiction stuff, there is tend you
tend to be one of two kind of people, although
again everybody's a little bit of all these things, but
you tend to be one or the other of everything
is somebody else's fault or everything is my fault. I
tend to be more of the latter, and like everything
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that's gone wrong is my fault and uh and never
you know they did this, you might want to take
that in consideration, or that person is a lying jerk
or whatever.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
So people tend to be one of those. In the
world of addiction and stuff.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
Everything is someone else's fault or everything's my fault, and
neither one of those is accurate.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Obviously. You know, it just popped into my head.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Who is the perfect manifestation of a cluster B personality
disorder from fiction?
Speaker 1 (29:46):
And that would be Tony Soprano's mom on The Sopranos.
She was that.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Right destructive, deceitful, narcissistic, and grandiose, while at the same
time struggling with intense feelings of worthlessness and fear of abandonment.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
And you'd get pulled into her web and uh.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
You're better off not.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Yeah, exactly exactly. Anyway, we can post this at armstrong
and giddy dot com if you want.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Well, we got.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
All kinds of people thinking about their sister, or their mom,
or their gutsin or their brother, their coworker. Oh poor you, exactly,
Oh poor you. We got more on the way.
Speaker 7 (30:30):
Punk Satani Phil, the Seer of Sears, was awakened from
his wintry.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Nap at dawn on Gobbler's knob. Phil looked to the skies.
Speaker 7 (30:39):
And then, speaking in groundhog gies, directed the President to
the proper scroll, which reads, It's crowndhog Day and maybe
life is on a loop. But I missed my burrow,
I miss my coop, so I'm headed back down.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
There's a shadow up here.
Speaker 7 (31:00):
Get ready for six more weeks of winter this year.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
This might be the silliest things human beings do on Earth.
I mean, when the English people chase a cheese downhill,
that's pretty silly too, but this is right up to
that makes more sense at least to an athletic event. Yeah,
what the hell and the else uncomfortable with a gobbler's
nob and mixed company just asking.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
We have breaking tariff news, breaking tariff news, the news
breaks the donkey brains. Has Mexico caved? Maybe that's what
Trump is counting on.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
The tariffs are supposed to hit tonight, tariff Tuesday tomorrow, China, Mexico,
Canada under the thumb of the United States, but the
pause is on for Mexico. The Trump administration has agreed
to pause the tariffs as the president of Canada whose
last name I mean Mexico, whose last name does not
sound Mexican at all, Shinebam.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
President Scheinbaum of.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
Mexico said in a tweet that she had a conversation
with Trump and in Mexico agreed to fortify its border
with ten thousand national troops to try to block the
flow of drugs, especially fentanel across the border, and the
United States are Goua said, We're going to try to
hammer out some different details over the next month.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
I spent my entire life savings trying to corner the
huacamole market.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
Now it's all wasted. That's great, that's okay.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
You know, I wondered whether that's was Trump what he
was doing all along, you know, gaining momentum for other
stuff through the threat of tariffs.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
Yeah, so we all know the story from last weekend
when we were sending illegal criminals back to Colombia and
President Columbia said, no, you're not, You're not send them here.
And Trump said, okay, fine, huge tariffs and they said,
I go ahead.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
And send them.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
We'll send a plane and pick them up. Took like
an hour get Columbia to cave. Mexico has at least
agreed to agree to talk about a couple of things.
We'll see where Canada is. Trudeau looks pretty tough to me.
Uh huh, we'll see how long and now now is
Canada and Canada that's true to get to make the
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decision on his own, like Trump gets to make the
decision here on his own.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
Apparently you're asking me about Canadian trade policies.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
It's just weird all the way around that one human
being in any of these countries would be making these decisions.
These are big financial decisions, and they're taxes. That's what
we have legislatures for. Here's the thing with me. I
thought that Canada's got to be our fifty first state
thing was funny, but he doubled down on it over
the weekend, like he's serious. Canada is unsustainable on its own.
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It needs to become our beloved fifty first state.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Yeah, now, come on.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
National Reviews had some great writing over the last couple
of weeks about why that would be a bad idea,
because for a number of reasons. First of all, you'd
be adding another state the size of California that's to
the left of California police by a lot. There's no
culture of free speech in Canada going back centuries, or
a lot of other things you don't like, uh, universal
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healthcare and all kinds of other stuff you don't Why
would Why would I, as a right leading gentleman, want
another to the left of the California giant state that
would swing presidential elections?
Speaker 1 (34:20):
No? Thanks?
Speaker 2 (34:21):
Yeah, how about y'all figure your crazy ass up out
up there and we continue to be trade partners and
play hockey together and our friends and that's good enough.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
I don't I don't want to marry.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
Them unless you're a progressive or oot of your mind
as a conservative. It's just not a good idea right
right here here, Jo got a very exciting tease here.
You know that movie, the transgender thirteen Oscar nominations musical
nightmare movie we've been talking about. I took one for
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the team over the weekend, folks, and I watched it. Well,
that wasn't a fair trade. I watched the Bob Dylan movie,
which was awesome. You watch the trans Oscar winner movie.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
I'm gonna need months of counseling. I'll tell you about
it next out.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
I do want to hear about it. That's I want
to talk about it. I didn't watch that beautiful relationship.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
I watched the music performances on the Grammys, but nothing else.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
Oscar Night. I'm gonna be watching for the speeches.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
I think they're gonna take it so far over the
top it's gonna be crazy.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Bet your bottom dollar really a lot on the way.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
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Speaker 3 (00:26):
So the Grammys were last night and Beyonce one Album
of the Year for her country album. This is the
only song I'd heard from it. We played this back
when it came out.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
I spent some time.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Listening to the album last night, way way, way more
artsy than I was expecting. It's like a what do
you call it when you got a theme through a
whole album?
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Concept album? Concept album? Yeah, concept album with a lot
of giant, famous country.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Stars and that sort of stuff. I'm and okay, album
of the year whatever, whatever that means. You know, the
calling something the best art is weird to start with, fine,
but best country album.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
I just I find that interesting. Okay.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
It was absolutely a clear example the Grammys do this,
the Oscars do this, that somebody got snubbed or passed
over in the past, and they're a super giant star,
and you think, all right, let's give him a like
a Beck got Album of the Year for an album
I listened to twice and said, I'm never listening to this.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
That's interesting.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
I listened to it still. I listened to the other day.
I loved that album. Yeah, I just didn't scratch you
were I.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
But it's fairly rare that people think that's better than like,
oh Delay or what was the second one that was
so great?
Speaker 1 (01:34):
But anyway, they it's like a career.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
We should have given you something before thinks, hey, she's
a great star and singer whatever. I don't know, like
you say words for kind of eh. If Noah what's
his name hadn't been the host, it had been easier
for me to watch.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
God dang it, that guy rubs me the wrong way.
I find him so grating.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Well, he's not funny and then his political jokes. Just
shut up, dude, Why why?
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Who likes him? Right? Like kimmels him? But he's funny.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Taylor chefs I thought Taylor Swift though clinking glasses with
jay Z when Beyonce won Best Album like looking genuinely
happy for her. I think that's part of the hole.
It's like the way Elon Musk's happy. I mean, you're
so rich and so successful, you can't get under my skin.
I didn't want to do something you think I care
whatever good for you, have a good time, have a
nice night, enjoy your life.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
I don't care, right, what are you gonna do if
I had her money at burn mine?
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Exactly as they say, here's what's going on with the
whole tariff thing. If you haven't been paying attention, This
is at o'keef on CBS News.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
So starting Tuesday, there will be twenty five percent tariffs
on all Mexican exports, twenty five percent tariffs on most
Canadian exports, ten percent tariffs on Canadian energy exports, and
ten percent tariffs on all goods from China. This morning,
the President acknowledged this could lead to higher prices, writing
will there be some pain? Yes, maybe and maybe not,
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he wrote on his social media platform, but we will
make America a great again, and it will all be
worth the price that must be paid.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
This is not my lane.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Tariff talking economics, but a couple questions I have just
from observing this. First of all, I remember when Trump
put tariffs on China the first time around first term,
and a lot of the hewing and crying of how
dom and awful this was from mainstream media. And then
the Biden administration came in and left them in place,
didn't do anything about it.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Yeah, yeah, I have no problem with with the China tariffs.
It's an untenable, ugly relationship with a bitter adversary. On
the other hand, Mexico and Canada are not our bitter adversaries.
There close allies and huge trading partners. It just I'm
gonna hit you with anvila headlines. Then we'll go from there.
The dumbest Oh wait a minute, there is the dumbest
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trade war. Fallout begins the dumbest trade war in history.
Tump Trump tariff's Americans will pay a severe price if
they remain in effect too long. Trump's move to put
tariff hikes ahead of tax Putts's cuts have spooke to
almost everyone.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Mexico and Canada fireback.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Those are all from conservative media, by the way, business
friendly conservative media. So there's there's a great deal of
angst over these tariffs and whether they're the right move.
I think the if I were to boil down the
main objection among Trump friendly tending to be Trump friendly media,
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it's that the tariffs and what they're claiming to be
accomplishing are just disconnected. We're gonna stop the illegal immigration
and drugs by punishing our neighbors with tariffs until they comply.
You know that it might work eventually, I suppose, but
it's gonna just hurt consumers in the meantime. It's gonna
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staunch growth and raise inflation almost certainly.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Does this make pretty boy Trudeau unhappy? Because if it
makes him unhappy, it makes me happy. Huh that's a
good standard, right. They find him annoying.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Oh, he's terribly annoying. I had one pushback on that. Yeah.
Absolutely willing to get to Uh.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Robert Leitthheiser, who's been defending Trump policies lately.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Yeah, that's mostly around China, which, as you were saying,
it's a lot more easily defended because we are in
a war for control of the earth with China. Okay,
here's the thing about Trump. Okay, go ahead. CEO of
Canada's second biggest company defends Trump's tariff demands, slams Trudeau
for not stopping the trade war. This is the guy
who runs Shopify, which is a very big company you
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might be familiar with. These are things that every Canadian
wants its government to do. These are not crazy demands,
even if they come from an unpopular source, said Toby
lock Letkey, who co founded Shopify. So uh, it's not
all why are you doing this to us.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Up in Canada? Just one point.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
I don't I don't understand his point. But when he
gave the guy from Shopify is in favor of it,
What was I going to say?
Speaker 5 (06:03):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (06:03):
The thing about Trump, the way he's always done business.
When he's in business.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
He walks up and grabs you by the pward. Oh boy,
I don't even have one.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
No, he will at any point he decides say no,
our deal is no longer on, we need to renegotiate it.
And he constantly beats up his suppliers and his contractors
and business partners and the rest of it. But it's
still profitable enough people do business with him because generally,
you know, with a bad run, as the exception at
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Atlantic City, it ends up being profitable for everybody.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
But he's a brutal, brutal negotiator.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
The problem is doing this with allies and international relations
is it's not like your local plumbers union.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
But man if He's got a theme throughout his adult
life whenever he would talk politics, it was about other
countries are taking advantage of us, and why do we
let this happen? I mean, he's been talking about this
for decades before he ever decided to run for president.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Yeah, yeah, well in a lot of cases.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Yeah, here's this guy, Robert Leethhauser, who's been around Republican
economics politics going way back to Reagan. He was on
Sixty Minutes last night specifically defending well tariffs in general,
but specifically around China. Here's him explaining what a threat
China is to the United States.
Speaker 6 (07:17):
China, to me, is an existential threat to the United States.
It is a very, very competent adversary. China views itself
as number one in the world and wants to be
that way. They view us as in the way they
have the biggest army in the world and they're growing it,
the biggest navy in the world, and they're growing it.
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They're spying on us, they're taking our technology. They've been
waging an economic war against the United States and winning
that war for at least the last three decades.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
And nobody was saying that out loud before Trump came along,
even though it has been going on for a long time.
So he's in favor of decoupling in every way from China,
and he explains that, So your tariff regime for China
would be what.
Speaker 6 (08:06):
I believe in strategic decoupling. I'm not saying no economic
relationship with Sean That's not my position at all. I
think you want balance trade, and how do you get
balance trade. You're going to get balance trade by having
large tariffs on most of what they send us.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
What's large?
Speaker 6 (08:24):
You know the President has floated numbers fifty sixty percent,
but I think there are big numbers like that.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Wow, those are big numbers. And then one more explanation
of that we can discuss.
Speaker 6 (08:34):
Wait a minute, you're talking about decoupling from China, what
would that look like? So it is strategic decoupling, so
we would still have trade.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
So I would say, we sell.
Speaker 6 (08:43):
You one hundred and fifty billion, we buy one hundred
and fifty billion from you.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
No more.
Speaker 6 (08:48):
We don't allow investments in China except in circumstances where
we believe that's in the interest of the United States.
We don't allow inbound investments. So we begin to disentangle.
We disentangle our technology. You could ask yourself, what is
China's policy towards us. It is exactly a mere image
of what I just said. So what I'm suggesting we
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do to China is what they.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Do to us. That made an impact on me.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
They've been doing this forever, but we were, well, we've
talked about this a lot. We had this fanciful belief
going all the way back to Nixon and through every
president up until Trump, that it's okay, we're taking a hit,
but the good thing is they're going to be a
giant economic powerhouse and they're going to be part of
friends with us. And they were, you know, laughing behind
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our backs the whole time, saying, yeah, make us powerful,
then we're going to take over the world and do
whatever the hell we want.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
And just purely economically speaking, even though the deal was
tilted strongly in their favor, we were still it was
still good for the economy in general, not so much
for manufacturers when we're going to talk about that China
shock a little bit later. But you know, overall, it
was fine to give them a better deal than we
were getting because they're still making more money. But again,
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my objection to this, and here it is, it's not
like I walk around, you know, barking at people about
tariff policy all the time.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
He got Joe get ready to hear tariff talk.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
I mean, yeah, budget, yeah, I'm finishing up a concept
album all about tariffs. I'm working with Beyonce. Anyway, that's
that's not it. I mean, I actually have beliefs about it,
but I don't feel that strongly about it. Here's what
I feel strongly about. I believe, barring some sort of
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hard turn, and Trump might make one because he is
a fan of the giant gesture that gets the small concession,
he declares victory and then calls off the dogs. If
that's the plan, Okay, that's Trump being Trump.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Let's see how it goes.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
But if he goes ahead with the tariffs, especially with
Canada and Mexico, I think that is going to have
a serious, serious consequence for American consumers. Their lives are
going to get significantly more expensive. They're going to see
industries hurt, American industries hurt. And taking Trump at his
word now on the idea of some sort of long
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term on shoring of all sorts of other things like
energy and timber and such, that would take a very
very long time.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
And here's my other problem with it.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
They would take such massive investments that a company's not
going to make them because Trump's just going to be
in power for another you know, three years and eleven
months or whatever it is. So I just I don't
think that's going to happen in the way he's talking about.
And here's my main objection to it. It's going to
screw American consumers and make people mad, which will undermine
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Conservatism's ability to do a bunch of other things that
we could do, especially if we held onto the House
and Senate.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
That's my problem.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
I think it's a misstep that could undermine all the
good stuff.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
What we'll we'll see.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
So Joe's soft on Canada, all right, the Northern Menace.
Have you heard any of the reports where they try
to tie it into Super Bowl weekend? Avocados come from Mexico,
the number one beer in America Medello. People also being
bought to lots of I don't forget what they said
from Canada. People are going to notice it at their
(12:18):
Super Bowl parties. It seems a little fast, but maybe yeah, yeah,
prices have already risen in some sectors.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
But that that ship like once a week and that
sort of thing I mean, if you send car parts
ones every six months, you're not going to see it,
but food will immediately. And I do love beer in avocados.
That's hitting me where a hurt.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
You Just like the munch on an avocado washing it
out to a beer and I eat the peel because
that's where all the nutrition is. I believe in it.
I have to choke it down. Fantastic. Well, it's going
to be uh.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
You know, people been arguing about the whole Tariff's thing
for my whole adult life of watching politics, and I've
been rolling my eyes and turning the page to the
next door because I wasn't interested. Now we get to
watch it play out and see what happens, and we'll
have some real world data on how it works, like
really really very stark real world data.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
I need to find the other thing. And this is
not about Trump, because he's just using a tool everybody
else has been using.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Where is it? I'll find it.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
But the United States of America is under I think
the number is currently thirty one different states of emergency
to give the oh no, I'm sorry here it is.
The International Emergency Economics Power Act was passed in nineteen
seventy seven to give the president extraordinarily way to deal
with any unusual and extraordinary threat from a foreign country,
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including with tariffs. That's fine and dandy, but the situation
we're in right now is absurd.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
We need to take a break. We'll tell you about
it in a minute.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
From nineteen seventy seven International Emergency Economic Powers Act. All Right,
got some tips on blue light keeping you awake at
night looking at your phone that I think will be
news You can use stay tuned.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
On the whole sleep thing.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
Looking at your devices before you go to bed or
in bed. Some people have had tremendous success with the
blue light glasses. Some people said they did nothing, So
your mileage, Mayberry, I might try it.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
So back to the Trump tariffs, just for a moment
or two. The National Review editorial boards making the point
that no president should have the power to make such
a major change to tax and trade law unilaterally.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
It does seem like an awful lot of power on
one person's hand, because the tariff is attacks that the
consumer pays almost entirely. There's just no other way to
slice it anyway. China is set out entirely, and Canada
is gonna pay it, and Mexo is gonna pay it.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
No, they're not China, and China needs to be set apart.
It's a different case, but it's not entirely clear that
the president does. The International Emergency Economic Powers Act, passed
in seventy seven, gave the president an extraordinarily way to
deal with any unusual and extraordinary threat from a foreign
country after a national emergency declaration. It's likely why the
President has raised illegal drugs and immigration as justification for
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the tariffs. His national emergency declarations on these two subjects
especially helped to unlock the powers of this law, which
are sweeping. But they point out, and this cuts across
many administrations, this is still a preposterous way to govern,
as there are currently over forty national emergencies. In effect,
you feel like now you feel like we have forty
national emergencies going on? It doesn't feel that way. Yeah,
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you good people. Do you feel like we're in a
national emergency? Forty topics?
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Deep?
Speaker 2 (15:36):
I mean, there's some crazy stuff going on immigration for
one thing, but forty and using those emergencies quote unquote
as a fig leaf to impose tariffs on all goods in
contradiction to an existing trade agreement with our allies is
clearly contrary to congressional intent. So there's that question about
and then they go into how it's going to hurt
autoworkers and agriculture and all sorts of sectors that are
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huge in red states. So we don't know how it's
going to play out for the next week, much less
the next couple of months, but whatever happens, it'll be interesting.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
Well, we got a couple of texts about this. I
thought we're interesting. Somebody making the point that what Trump's
hoping for is the same result he got.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Well, I'll just read it.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
He's planning on the one hour turnaround like happened with Columbia.
Maybe this will be a week instead of an hour,
but that's what he's hoping for you, and I assume
that is it too.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
He's not thinking about by next year gas will be No,
he's thinking this will be over in a couple of weeks.
They'll they'll cave and then we'll get right we want.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Yeah, and he may and that may be successful. I
think he's a little too brutal sometimes with our friends.
I mean, because like Trudeau's a weasel. But Poliev, who
I love, the conservative guy who's probably going to be
the Prime minister in Canada.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
He's super pissed off about this too. There's this point
of view, which you already mentioned. I'm afraid that Trump's
trade policies will do to the conservative movement what Dei
and Trans did to the Democrats.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Yeah, that's what I'm trying to say. I hope not.
I hope we'll see.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
I have a feeling it's a big nasty bluff, mostly hope.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
So, but again, not China. China's totally different. If you
miss a segment of the podcast Armstrong and Getty on
demand Armstrong and Getty.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
In just one week until Super Bowl fifty nine, the
Chiefs and the Eagles headed out to New Orleans. Security
is extra tight there. Hundreds of federal, state and local
officers on duty. Barricades have gone up with drones overhead,
as comes after the New Year's truck attack that killed
more than a dozen people.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Yeah, I'll bet, but I think security is always pretty
damn high at a Super Bowl. So yeah, New Orleans
belatedly so installing some things they've been told to over
and over again. I'm not saying we shouldn't do this
all the time. But so far, has there ever been
a terrorist attack on a big, well known thing like
that that we see coming.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
No, I don't think so that.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
I can think of inauguration of Super Bowl whatever. No, No,
they shows up randomly out of nowhere at the beginning
of the Boston Marathon on a Tuesday, or an airline
flight on a regular you know, day of the week
in September, that sort of thing.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
So yeah, or Loane more on halfwoot angry jackasses, which
is the fast majority of the attacks, who don't have
the capacity to pull off something big. Although wasn't there
There are a couple of guys who got a job
in security.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
For the Super Bowl. Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
Last year they had gotten jobs in security and luckily
we're caught. Maybe we just catch all of them. Maybe
that's it.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Good thing they're stupid and the FBI is working hard.
My son is trying out for the volleyball team this evening. Cool,
this is new just a friend of his.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
He said, he got peer pressured into it by a
friend of his. He knows nothing about volleyball. I was
asking my that you need to read or watch YouTube videos.
You're not going to show up to the volleyball tryout
not having the slightest idea how they score it, or
you know, just even the most basic parts of the game.
You got to show up with some knowledge because he
had zero, Like, you know, how many points you play too,
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how many people on a team?
Speaker 1 (19:19):
You know, any of the most basic how to do
any of that stuffing?
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Yeah, I mean have just some of the most basic knowledge,
all right? Have you trying to make a point to
his friend? It is pressuring him. Yeah, I'll show up.
He didn't want me to buy him some special volleyball
shoes because he's really into shoes. I said, you make
the team.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
I'll buy some special volleyball shoes. Wow, huh, we'll see
I betll it. At the other end of the spectrum, Jack,
you have aging. There's currently a fight among scientists and
people want to sell you stuff.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Over whether aging is a disease.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
A small but growing movement of scientists want a class
if by aging.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
As a disease, Okay, it probably has all kinds of
financial implications, government funding implications, that sort of thing, I
get it.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Yeah, and advertising as well, trying to convince people that
if you declare it a disease. And we're kind of
skipping to the end here, but if you declare it
a disease, you can convince people that it can be cure.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
I'm not an empty theologist.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
I was planning to be an epidemiologist, but I overslept
one morning and it fell apart.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
But it's too busy at my volleyball practices to get
my study.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
I suppose there are some ways that you can classify
what happens to cells or something like that as a disease.
But aging happens to everybody. All their diseases out there
don't happen to everyone. That seems like a big difference
to me.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Right, it's a major driver of valsentness and death, they say,
these scientists, and classifying.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Your aging is a major contributor to death, You're absolutely.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Right, one of the top ones.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Yes, And that could make it easier to get drugs
approved to treat aging itself rather than just age related
health problem.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
I do think it's damned interesting the idea that, and
I don't know why this couldn't happen, that they can't
do some sort of gene manipulation something or other where
genes stop getting older. They're not exactly sure why that
needs to happen, right, you know, because all your your
cells rather genes, but your cells. There's why Why are
the cells that are dying out? You got gazillions of
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cells dyeing every year and being replaced by different stelfs.
Why do they have to get older? Why can't they
just be the same? The problem being, of course, at
what point do you start that? I want to start
that as as a two year old? And this is
this is rare. Why don't we take at least one
phone call. Let's see on the screen that says, God
Almighty's on the line.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Yeah, thanks for bringing this up. Here's the story. Yeah,
you don't want to be immortal, all right? Trust me,
I've kind of planned the whole thing out, so don't
go messing with it, all right, love your show, longtime listener,
First time call it click.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
I'll take my answer off the air. Yeah, worry.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Calling aging a disease could lead to financial exploitation by
the anti aging industry, capitalizing on quick fixes to cure aging.
For instance, there's this one therapist who said I can
have an eighty year old who can still ski dance
or run a marathon, and I can have a forty
year old who doesn't move much and can't do any
of that age, the number is not at all an
indicator of anything.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Well, that's very true, and I know people like that myself.
Do I have to ask to a weak ass argument?
Speaker 2 (22:27):
I mean, that's I'm sorry, just on a logical that
bothers me from a perspective of logic, because that's the
exact same argument that, well, there are some men who
could be beat by some women in sports, therefore transgender
people in sports is fine.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
But I just want to nail this down. Just because
I can dance when I'm mighty, do I have to?
Or is it still optional unless this chick.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Makes you so.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
The other day, I'm at I'm at the Jim the
club thing where I go to a lift weight, and
there's some peopeople playing tennis, and they were noticeably on
the older end of people playing tennis, like quite a
bit older than you generally see out in the tennis court.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
They looked like old.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Men, kind of fat upper bodies, skinny little white legs
with their white socks pulled up.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
I mean, they looked like old men. But and I
just watched for a little bit.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
I thought one of those going to look like and man,
they were whipping that ball around. I thought they would
just crush me. I mean, I've never been really a
tennis player, but I am a lot younger than these people.
That turned out they would just crush me, and I thought, wow,
that's interesting. So I got down lifting weights at the
same time that they quit. And I don't know if
this guy liked this question or not, but I said,
excuse me, I can I ask you?
Speaker 1 (23:38):
How old are you? He said, how old do you
think I am?
Speaker 3 (23:41):
I said, I don't know, but I watched you playing
tennis out there, and you would crush me. He said,
I'm eighty five, and he stomped off like I don't
know if he was happy.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
To tell me that or Matt I asked, or whatever.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
I thought, you're eighty five freaking years old and you're playing.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Tennis like that.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
They didn't three other guys. I mean, it's just it
was really quite a yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
The final point they make is that sometimes doctors will
dismiss a symptom as a sign of aging when it
is really something bad going on, and they shouldn't do that.
That's a bad doctor anyway. They're not going to declare
aging and disease. Then I thought this was interesting also healthwise.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
This is a completely.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Different topic, but we talked about it briefly off the air,
and people seem interested in this.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
I'm going to quote from an article.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
A retired psychologist I know who worked for a prominent
hospital seeing very complex cases, told me that cluster B
personality disorders are the scariest thing to work with. He said,
they are the scariest because they're basically untreatable and they
do so much damage to the people around them.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
And I just heard the term, but I'm not familiar with. Okay,
for a layman, what is a cluster B personality disorder?
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Right? Which is all of us? Certainly?
Speaker 2 (24:47):
The best thing you can do is learn to identify
the behavior cluster B personalities display and stare clear of them.
They are destructive, deceitful, narcissistic, and grandiose, while at the
same time often struggling intense feelings of worthlessness and fear
of abandonment. One clue should be that they cause chaos
everywhere they go, often dragging other people into their webs
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of destruction.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
Oh you hate to be drug into the old wod
right right drama queens?
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Uh, what was the other professional victims?
Speaker 1 (25:20):
That sort of thing. And I'll get more into the specifics.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
But research has found that cluster beat personalities tend to
be involved in more litigation. For instance, don't get sucked
into the web of chaos. They don't love you, they
use you and then hate you.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Let's see, here's the specifics.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
Can they help it or control it? Are they just
built that way? Do they know they're doing it? That's
what I was walking about. That's a really interesting question.
I think, you know what, let's let's let's go ahead
with some of the specifics and then come back to
that question.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Old web a destruction.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
People with BPDPD experience wide mood swings, can feel a
sense of instability and insecurity. According to the Die Agnostic
Statistical Manual Diazactic Framework, some key signs and symptoms. They
include frantic efforts to avoid real or imagined abandonment by
friends and family, Unstable personal relationships that alternate between idealization
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I'm so in love and devaluation I hate her. This
is also sometimes known as splitting, distorted and unstable self image,
which affects, moods, values, opinions, goals and relationships. Impulsive behaviors
that can have dangerous outcomes, excess of spending on safe sex,
reckless driving, misuse or overuse substances, self harming behavior, including
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suicidal thoughts, periods of intense depressed mood, irritability or anxiety,
chronic feelings of boredom and emptiness, inappropriate, intense or uncontrollable anger,
often followed by shame and guilt. Wait a minute, that's
just my Friday night.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
Well, one of the problems with a lot of your
psychological problems is everybody's got a little a lot of
less staff. Sure, it's just the degree, is the problem.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Yeah, exactly. I was thinking the same thing as I
was reading.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Name me somebody who isn't ever selfish or irritable or
down or whatever. So yeah, it's all the degree or
sometimes confident and sometimes in sure. Yeah, yeah, let's see.
The antisocial personality disorder is a pattern of disregard for
in violation of the rights of others. It's a pattern
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of instability and an interpersonal relationship self image and effects
and marked impulsivity. It's you know what, It strikes me
as having, you know, gone through this whole thing is it's.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
The professional victim.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Drama queen who just has all of our king, who
has all of those things we were describing in a
way that that damage relationships and make people around them miserable.
But the original thing is that they are un they say,
they're basically untreatable. Why is that completely Yeah, but I've
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some people emerged from childhood so damaged. I don't know
how much help you can give for.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
That whole question.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
I was having this conversation with the doctor the other
day when I was there about kids. His kids are
his daughter is now going to come work in his office.
She went to medical school, but she had lots of
struggles when she was younger with a variety of things.
But anyway, he was talking about how we all learn
once we start parenting, is we have less say and
how they're going to turn out than we thought we
did at the beginning, And that whole thing is just amazing,
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you know, to what extent you have. He was using
the example of like bumpers on a bowling alley, you
can be the bumpers on the bowling alley keep from
going this far or that far. But that whole part
in the middle is them and they're gonna do their thing.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
I think that's a really good metaphor yeah, yeah, try
not to be one of those people, and if you're
one of them, be better.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
I think this is this is interesting. I know in
the world of like addiction stuff, there is tend you
tend to be one of two kind of people, although
again everybody's a little bit of all these things, but
you tend to be one or the other of everything
is somebody else's fault or everything is my fault. I
tend to be more of the latter, and like everything
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that's gone wrong is my fault and uh and never
you know they did this, you might want to take
that in consideration, or that person is a lying jerk
or whatever.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
So people tend to be one of those. In the
world of addiction and stuff.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
Everything is someone else's fault or everything's my fault, and
neither one of those is accurate.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Obviously. You know, it just popped into my head.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Who is the perfect manifestation of a cluster B personality
disorder from fiction?
Speaker 1 (29:46):
And that would be Tony Soprano's mom on The Sopranos.
She was that.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Right destructive, deceitful, narcissistic, and grandiose, while at the same
time struggling with intense feelings of worthlessness and fear of abandonment.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
And you'd get pulled into her web and uh.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
You're better off not.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Yeah, exactly exactly. Anyway, we can post this at armstrong
and giddy dot com if you want.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Well, we got.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
All kinds of people thinking about their sister, or their mom,
or their gutsin or their brother, their coworker. Oh poor you, exactly,
Oh poor you. We got more on the way.
Speaker 7 (30:30):
Punk Satani Phil, the Seer of Sears, was awakened from
his wintry.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Nap at dawn on Gobbler's knob. Phil looked to the skies.
Speaker 7 (30:39):
And then, speaking in groundhog gies, directed the President to
the proper scroll, which reads, It's crowndhog Day and maybe
life is on a loop. But I missed my burrow,
I miss my coop, so I'm headed back down.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
There's a shadow up here.
Speaker 7 (31:00):
Get ready for six more weeks of winter this year.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
This might be the silliest things human beings do on Earth.
I mean, when the English people chase a cheese downhill,
that's pretty silly too, but this is right up to
that makes more sense at least to an athletic event. Yeah,
what the hell and the else uncomfortable with a gobbler's
nob and mixed company just asking.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
We have breaking tariff news, breaking tariff news, the news
breaks the donkey brains. Has Mexico caved? Maybe that's what
Trump is counting on.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
The tariffs are supposed to hit tonight, tariff Tuesday tomorrow, China, Mexico,
Canada under the thumb of the United States, but the
pause is on for Mexico. The Trump administration has agreed
to pause the tariffs as the president of Canada whose
last name I mean Mexico, whose last name does not
sound Mexican at all, Shinebam.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
President Scheinbaum of.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
Mexico said in a tweet that she had a conversation
with Trump and in Mexico agreed to fortify its border
with ten thousand national troops to try to block the
flow of drugs, especially fentanel across the border, and the
United States are Goua said, We're going to try to
hammer out some different details over the next month.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
I spent my entire life savings trying to corner the
huacamole market.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
Now it's all wasted. That's great, that's okay.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
You know, I wondered whether that's was Trump what he
was doing all along, you know, gaining momentum for other
stuff through the threat of tariffs.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
Yeah, so we all know the story from last weekend
when we were sending illegal criminals back to Colombia and
President Columbia said, no, you're not, You're not send them here.
And Trump said, okay, fine, huge tariffs and they said,
I go ahead.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
And send them.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
We'll send a plane and pick them up. Took like
an hour get Columbia to cave. Mexico has at least
agreed to agree to talk about a couple of things.
We'll see where Canada is. Trudeau looks pretty tough to me.
Uh huh, we'll see how long and now now is
Canada and Canada that's true to get to make the
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decision on his own, like Trump gets to make the
decision here on his own.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
Apparently you're asking me about Canadian trade policies.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
It's just weird all the way around that one human
being in any of these countries would be making these decisions.
These are big financial decisions, and they're taxes. That's what
we have legislatures for. Here's the thing with me. I
thought that Canada's got to be our fifty first state
thing was funny, but he doubled down on it over
the weekend, like he's serious. Canada is unsustainable on its own.
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It needs to become our beloved fifty first state.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Yeah, now, come on.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
National Reviews had some great writing over the last couple
of weeks about why that would be a bad idea,
because for a number of reasons. First of all, you'd
be adding another state the size of California that's to
the left of California police by a lot. There's no
culture of free speech in Canada going back centuries, or
a lot of other things you don't like, uh, universal
(34:09):
healthcare and all kinds of other stuff you don't Why
would Why would I, as a right leading gentleman, want
another to the left of the California giant state that
would swing presidential elections?
Speaker 1 (34:20):
No? Thanks?
Speaker 2 (34:21):
Yeah, how about y'all figure your crazy ass up out
up there and we continue to be trade partners and
play hockey together and our friends and that's good enough.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
I don't I don't want to marry.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
Them unless you're a progressive or oot of your mind
as a conservative. It's just not a good idea right
right here here, Jo got a very exciting tease here.
You know that movie, the transgender thirteen Oscar nominations musical
nightmare movie we've been talking about. I took one for
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the team over the weekend, folks, and I watched it. Well,
that wasn't a fair trade. I watched the Bob Dylan movie,
which was awesome. You watch the trans Oscar winner movie.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
I'm gonna need months of counseling. I'll tell you about
it next out.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
I do want to hear about it. That's I want
to talk about it. I didn't watch that beautiful relationship.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
I watched the music performances on the Grammys, but nothing else.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
Oscar Night. I'm gonna be watching for the speeches.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
I think they're gonna take it so far over the
top it's gonna be crazy.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Bet your bottom dollar really a lot on the way.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
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