March 20, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 3 of A&G features...
- No cease fire in Ukraine/Russia war & Trump's promise to whoop the Houthis
- How polarizing is this administration?
- JD Vance talks innovation
- Bingo, Bango, Bongo & "Chadding"
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George
Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Arm Strong and Jetty and now he arm Strong and Yetty.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
The corner said it was an accident, but it was
no accident. It was a monkey. When I was a kid,
my twin brother and I found something that loved to kill.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
We have been chosen to witness its power over life
and death in its most devious ways.
Speaker 5 (00:57):
So that's part of the that's part of the trailer
to the movie The Monkey, or if you member with this, Katie,
it's a it's like a little toy monkey, but it
did murders people and stuff.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Yeah, my husband said he wanted to see this, and
I hadn't looked at it. This thing's terrifying looking.
Speaker 5 (01:13):
It's it's it's an interesting combination. Sounded like a parody, Well, it's.
It is a clearly killer in questions a toy monkey.
It's clearly a combo horror horror movie, kind of comedy
ish parody, satire of horror movies. But it's pretty well
stream movies kind of. Yeah, it looks really really well done.
My son actually wants to take a girl to it.
(01:35):
I don't know if the he said she likes horror films. Oh,
she'll clutch his arm and that's all.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
That's the whole point, right, many a fine international protect
you from the movie monkey.
Speaker 5 (01:46):
Oh, because it's all the excuse to lean in and
you're cuddling.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Oh yeah, that's win win, Thank you monkey.
Speaker 5 (01:55):
I didn't even they didn't even think of that's a
clastic movie.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
He's ahead of me on this one.
Speaker 5 (02:02):
In other news, in other non evil monkey news, evil
toy monkey news. Trump was on the phone with Zulensky
yesterday for a while and it seemed to go fairly well.
Here's a news report about it, and then we'll fill
in some more details.
Speaker 6 (02:18):
That call between Presidents Trump and Zelensky lasting nearly an hour,
the Ukrainian leader agreeing to the same partial CEASEFI ideal
as Putin, pledging to stop attacking energy infrastructure. But in
a stunning development, Trump also offered to take ownership of
Ukraine's electrical supply and nuclear power plants, saying America could
offer the best protection. It could include Europe's largest nuclear
(02:39):
plant at Zaparisha, which Russia currently occupies at least initially.
Ukraine seems open to the idea. There'll be further talks
this weekend.
Speaker 5 (02:48):
So everybody's trying to guess what Trump's angle is on
this whole piece plan thing. I mean, everybody, I think
is a little confused. Yeah, starting to get a little
clearer to me. Well, okay, so here's the reporting. Trump
said that the US could be very helpful in running
(03:09):
all the power plants, electric and utility plants in Ukraine.
American ownership of those plants would be the best protection
for that infrastructure and support for Ukrainian injury energy infrastructure.
So is this similar to the rare earth metals mind
that we would run. Also, is it just we're gonna
happen so much economic intertwined reason to care about Ukraine
(03:36):
that'll be like, hey, Putin, don't be attacking basically the
United States his interests.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Yeah, it's becoming more clear to me, I think in that.
You know, Trump famously is transactional, and whether it's like
an actual philosophy of international relations.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Or just his ego.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Needs to be seen as getting something when he gives something.
And so the framework is we will be so entwined
with Ukraine economically especially, but you know, on a human
level too, because obviously we'll have lots and lots of
people there that that is Ukraine's security, and he can
(04:22):
go on about and now we have cheap electricity and
access to rare earth minerals and blah blah blah.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
It's a win for both sides.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
It's an interesting way to go about it. And you know,
I wouldn't bet my life savings on it working. But
if that's what he's thinking, that's not nuts.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
But it's different.
Speaker 5 (04:43):
So yeah, So it's different than like having a NATO
guarantee with Article five, where an attack on one is
an attack on all. So if you have NATO troops there,
instead of doing that, you just make it more much
more well transactional in that No, we have a bunch
of businesses there. There are billions at stake, dollars at steak.
(05:03):
Don't be attacking a country where we have billions of
dollars of business at stake.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
I was worried at.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
First because of Trump's you know, characteristic, oversimplified over belligerent
rhetoric that he was thinking more in terms of like
war reparations and having Ukraine's economy under our heel and
exploiting them for the rare minerals and the rest of it.
But like so often with Trump, that was the big
(05:29):
blustery opening, and it's starting to sound more like, you know, partnership.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
My actual partnership might be both.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Yeah, I mean, because I don't want to be a
colonial power at this point. I think that's a terrible idea.
He might want to be in. Well, yeah, well, i'm
he works for me, especially in the twenty first century
in a part of the world where they are armed
to the teeth.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
I don't think we want to a colony.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
But if it is, here's how we bring him to
the West and put them under our umbrella through enormous
commercial interaction. I don't know, it's an intriguing idea.
Speaker 5 (06:10):
Well, he wants to make Canada the fifty first state.
He seems to be fairly serious about figuring out a
way to get Greenland. I don't know. By the way,
I came across this tidbit yesterday, and then I'll be
done with this. But surely he understands the Canada thing
will never happen.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Right, we get more.
Speaker 5 (06:31):
Oil from Canada at an incredibly discounted price, and with
no fear of disruption because it's right on our border
like all the other.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
And there are buds.
Speaker 5 (06:41):
We get more oil from Canada than the next five
foreign sources combined.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
I had no idea of that.
Speaker 5 (06:46):
I couldn't have told you that we get fifteen times
more oil from Canada than from Saudi Arabia.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Didn't know that. So interesting.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Yeah, King of Ukraine, Western allies are meeting as we speak,
or just did. No, it's today to hash out a
bold European idea. When was the last time you heard
the phrase bold European idea? I know, let's make our
(07:17):
acconemy even more socialist than wreck it. That was really
the last one I heard. They're thinking of sending ten
to thirty thousand troops to Ukraine to help enforce any
eventual peace deal with Russia. Defense officials from dozens of
Western nations, not America. We are not involved. Zuos met
in the UK today. They met today, Yes, it's later
(07:42):
today over there to hammer out details of the so
called Coalition of the Willing, led by the UK and France,
that could help Ukraine deter Russia from attacking in the future.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
No US troops would be involved.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Again, the Eastern Euros are saying, yeah, well, we're right
next to Russian. We don't want to piss them off,
and we need them for our own defenses. But Britain, France, Sweden,
Denmark and Australia have all said they're considering putting boots
on the ground.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Right.
Speaker 5 (08:08):
So this is being portrayed, of course by the Trump haters.
As look, Europe is in such a desperate situation since
we've abandoned them that they feel like they need to.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Act on their own.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
Okay, that's one way to look at it, or another
way to look at it would be it's their freaking continent.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Why aren't they doing it instead of us or with us? Even?
Speaker 1 (08:28):
You know, I see the world through metaphors and I
find it illustrative.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
I hope you do too. But it's like we had
a totally.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Dysfunctional relationship with a clingy, weak partner who is nothing
but clingy and weak, and we said, nope, you're on
your own.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
We kicked them to the curb.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
They learned about themselves, jack, as they say these days,
they worked on themselves and now potentially they are a stronger,
more self reliant partner worth having.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
I mean Europe was getting damned close.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
To just as a useless ally, just weak paper tiger,
just clinging to us.
Speaker 5 (09:13):
Well, right, I had that quote from the leader of
Poland last week that I thought was really good. He's
more on our side by saying, how are we supposed
to convince three hundred million Americans that they need to
protect five hundred million Europeans from one hundred and forty
million Russians.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Yeah, yeah, I like to cut his jib. It's worth
mentioning that. A defense expert at King's College, London, Bence Nameth,
said the chance of this force ever heading to Ukraine
is a long shot. European leaders say they'll only send
troops if there is a lasting piece in Ukraine. Wow,
(09:51):
I'll go kick his ass as long as he says
he doesn't want to fight. Russian President Vladimir Putin is
so far ruled out signing piece deal that includes Western
forces in Ukraine, other than that it's a terrific idea.
Among other ideas floated were to get around Russia's opposition,
perhaps include troops that Russia SEESUS friendly from China or India,
(10:13):
for example, So you're gonna have like joint patrols of British,
French and Chinese troops to keep Vladimir Putin out of Ukraine.
Speaker 5 (10:22):
China is not putting troops in Ukraine? Is there a
ghastly can hear?
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Or what are you okay? How many fingers am I
holding up? Seriously?
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Interesting perspective here.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Trump's Yemen campaign is promise to avoid quote unquote forever wars,
which is a term I hate. It's a catchphrase in
search of an argument. Nobody wants forever wars. Well, the
military industrial complex does you know what? You have a point,
But just because something takes a little while doesn't mean
you get to smugly call it a forever war on Twitter.
(12:22):
But there is no doubt that Trump's vale We're gonna
whoop the hell out of Hoothy's if they don't stop
their their horseplay, and we're gonna do it as long
as it takes, if it takes forever. That's, you know,
very much in contrast to what he's talking about during
the campaign. But you know, campaigns are all about oversimplification.
It'll be interesting to see, though, what his actual philosophy
(12:45):
is this time around, because it's already clearly not quite
as pat as was suggested during the campaign.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Not a shock. The question is does it make you happy?
Speaker 5 (12:55):
The United States has fallen to its lowest ranking ever
in the World Happiness Report, which makes me unhappy, among
other things we've got to talk about on the waistate here.
Speaker 7 (13:06):
Well, Khalil's not exactly an easy one either, because it's
some judge, you know, dlamdon de him. But the Democrats
last meek because of the stupidity of you know, they're
back in these ninety percent negative things. From the standpoint
people that hate Israel want to destroy it, people that
are murderers, people that are horrible.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
That was a little hard to untease.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
But what Trump was saying is that the Democrats lose
because they back things that nobody likes, and that brought
me to a chart that I saw. Steve Kernaki, who's
the head polster for NBC, puts this out recently, and
as he says, white non college men a more blue
collar demographic, and white college or plus women more upscale
(13:52):
one have come to exist in two polar opposite political
and cultural universes. And I think we knew that, but
looking at the polling, you look at Donald Trump positive
or negative, White men no degree plus forty one, white
women college or grad school minus thirty eight. With just
(14:12):
a little rounding, it's an eighty point gap. Wow, that
that can't exist in a single culture. I mean, if
you're talking about norwayan Yemen, I could see that sort
of gap existing. Jadie Vans, those are two very big groups. Also, well,
oh yeah, that's one of the points Karnaki gets to.
(14:33):
I'm you know, as long as you know you're right,
that's a better way to prove in.
Speaker 5 (14:37):
Native Americans and Arizona are really polar opposite in their
political views.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Either are two giant voting groups.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Well said, to quote mister Karnaki, both groups pack a
formidable punch. Eighteen percent of all voters last year were
non college white men, and seventeen percent were college educated
white women. So damn near twenty percent on each end
of the electorate. A little less so anyway, jd Vance
is only five points less polarizing. Elon Musk is a
seventy three point spread. Doge, as you might have guessed,
(15:07):
is eighty point spread. The Republican Party is a sixty
point spread. DEI is a seventy one point spread, with
white college plus women still plus thirty one on DEI.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Well, I clearly need.
Speaker 5 (15:24):
To date a non college graduate dude if I want
to be.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
In math checks out.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
And the Democratic Party it's a fifty four percent spread.
White men no degree minus fifty eight, almost minus sixty
in approval, and white college women is actually minus minus
four because they don't think the Democrats are radical enough.
Speaker 5 (15:49):
But so if you get this, almost twenty percent of
each group, so that's forty percent of the electorate total, right, yeah, yeah,
and they're that far apart. Is that ever happened in
our history? I wonder.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
I doubt it very very much, only like in eighteen
sixty one, and I don't know if you've heard, things
went very poorly for several years after that. Yeah, it's shocking,
and I'm trying. You know, I certainly have my point
of view. We have our point of view, and we're
trying to litigate it and convince more people. For instance, conservatism, localism,
(16:24):
you know, not teaching your kids porn in school, all
this stuff is better than the alternative. On the other hand,
I really try to understand what's happening before I go
into litigation mode, and I can't come up.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
With anything other than.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
The constant indoctrination of progressive ideals into students and particularly women.
For the socio psychological reasons We've talked about why women
are more easily in doctrinated than men a lot of times,
and the fact that women are not marrying and having
children so biologically they have a desperate need for a purpose.
(17:04):
They've been indoctrinated that their purpose is Marxism, essentially progressivism,
and that's why we're seeing this mind boggling and unprecedented spread.
Speaker 5 (17:14):
Well, I wonder if we crossed some sort of line
into a tipping point where it'd be hard to dig
out of this, Like what would be appealing about college
for a lot of men when all you see is
women who have a completely different view of the world
than you.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Well, in so.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Many degrees are worthless, and the youngsters barely learn anything,
and it's suffocatingly expensive.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Who could resist? Yeah, well that's interesting. Yeah, it's not good.
It's not healthy.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
I got a lot in so many emails from young
men saying, dude's the reason I don't date is because
women are out of their freaking minds.
Speaker 5 (17:57):
But not in the usual way in the college women
to be saying they're a bunch of maga idiots.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
That was why it don't Yes, yes, correct, good?
Speaker 5 (18:06):
They love not political war, any comic give us a
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Speaker 2 (18:13):
Armstrong and Getty.
Speaker 5 (18:16):
Coming out your next segment. One of the funnier things
Trump has ever said. That's saying something, but pretty funny. Also,
the big case against green Peace. Have you heard about this?
Really interesting saw the headline Menendez brothers continue to be
a thing.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Who are you? Who are you.
Speaker 5 (18:31):
People who are fighting to get the Menendez brothers out
of prison? But or even talking about it?
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Do you not have a like, any interests or hobbies
or family to care about?
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Anyway?
Speaker 1 (18:46):
So what is Trump trying to do with the tariffs
and why is he going about it the way he's
going about it. Now, this might be two completely different questions,
but what's the plan. I have called for a Ronald
Reagan esque speak to speak to the nation saying, Hey,
this is going to be disruptive for a little while,
but here's what we're hoping happens. Here's roughly how long
(19:07):
it'll take. And that's why I'm doing what I'm doing.
You know, he constantly communicates with the press to the
point that any individual explanation, I think kind of gets
lost and it might illustrate the need to be a
little more selective in how often you speaking on what topic.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
But you know he's going to do him. But jd.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Vance did an interview recently in which he addressed the
very questions of trade policy and what they're trying to accomplish.
It is in three chunks, Michael, we'll just begin with
first and to discuss as needed.
Speaker 8 (19:38):
There were two conceits that our leadership class had when
it came to globalization. The first is assuming that we
can separate the making of things from the design of things.
The idea of globalization was that rich countries would move
further up the value chain, while the poor countries made
the simpler things. You would open an iPhone box and
(19:59):
it would say designed in Coupertino, California.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Now the implication, of course, is that.
Speaker 8 (20:04):
It would be manufacturing, eng engein or somewhere else. And yeah,
some people might lose their jobs in manufacturing, but they
could learn to design, or to use a very popular phrase,
learn to code. But I think we got it wrong.
It turns out that the geographies that do the manufacturing
get awfully good at the designing of things. Their network effects.
(20:24):
As you all well understand, the firms that design products
work with firms that manufacture. They share intellectual property, they
share best practices, and they even sometimes share critical employees. Now,
we assume that other nations would always trail us in
the value chain, but it turns out that as they
got better at the lower of the value chain, they
also started catching up on the higher end. We were
(20:47):
squeezed from both ends. Now that was the first conceit
of globalization.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Wow, that's good stuff. Why don't we get talked to
like that more often from politicians? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (21:00):
This I can't remember precisely or he was he was
speaking too. Folks who are you know, probably more hip
to this sort of thing. Than the average voter. Yeah,
I agree with them as far as it goes. Some
of it's a little overstated, I think, And you just
can't argue with Yeah, if I manufacture it over there,
I can offer the same product for thirty percent less,
(21:22):
because that is just too compelling in a free market
to pass up.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
It's too attractive.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
On the other hand, in the second clip, he gets
to cheap labor, and I think.
Speaker 8 (21:33):
The second is that cheap labor is fundamentally a crutch,
and it's a crutch that inhibits innovation.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
I might even say that it's a.
Speaker 8 (21:41):
Drug that too many American firms got addicted to. Now,
if you can make a product more cheaply, it's far
too easy to do that rather than to innovate. And
whether we were offshoring factories to cheap labor economies or
importing cheap labor through our immigration system, labor became the
drug of Western economies. And I'd say that if you
(22:04):
look in nearly every country from Canada to the UK
that imported large amounts of cheap labor, you've seen productivity stagnate.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
And I don't think.
Speaker 8 (22:11):
That's not a total happenstance. I think that the connection
is very direct.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
I assume he's getting to his ultimate point here in
a little bit. Yeah. I don't buy that argument, by
the way. Okay, yeah, I do.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
The idea that we've become less innovative because we have
cheap labor over there. Well, but again, if you are
five percent less innovative but can drop your price by
thirty percent and you're innovating pretty well, that's just not
a compelling argument in a free market.
Speaker 5 (22:40):
We've been doing the cheap labor thing for quite a while,
and we're the most innovative country on earth with all
the smartphone, computer AI, all that technologies come out of here.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Yeah, there are some leaps of logic there that I
don't think are like super compelling, But all right, bring
it home, JD.
Speaker 8 (22:56):
Now, one of the debates you hear on the minimum wage,
for instance, is that increase in the minimum wage force
firms to automate, So a higher wage of McDonald's means
more kiosks, And whatever your views on the wisdom of
the minimum wage, I'm not going to comment on that here.
Companies innovating in the absence of cheap labor is a
good thing. I think most of you are not worried
(23:16):
about getting cheaper and cheaper labor. You're worried about innovating,
about building new things. About the old formulation of technology
is doing more with less. You guys are all trying
to do more with less every single day. And so
I'd ask my friends, both on the tech optimist side
and on.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
The populace side, not to.
Speaker 8 (23:34):
See the failure of the logic of globalization as a
failure of innovation. Indeed, I'd say that globalization's hunger for
cheap labor is a problem precisely because it's been bad
for innovation. Both our working people are populists and our
innovators gathered here today have the same enemy. And the solution,
(23:56):
I believe is American innovation.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Yeah, it's not untrue what he's saying.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
I just think he's really grossly exaggerating his point or
inflating it. I mean, if I'm running Joe's tires and
Jack's running Jack's tires, and.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Rounder you're gonna like him.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
If you've shot for tires lately, you realize you could
about buy anything anyway, because we're you know, maybe this,
and we're selling essentially the same good. We both have
good service but you're importing tires that are thirty percent
cheaper than mine. Jd Vance would say, well, Joe, you've
got to innovate. You got to innovate your way because
(24:42):
now that you're not relying on cheap you gotta innovate.
But you can't innovate your way to not going out
of business. It's just not possible. In a lot of fields.
We're not all designing AI. Some of us are selling
tires or lumber, or washing machines or whatever. I and
I wanted I actually had only heard part of one
(25:04):
of those clips. I wanted to agree with them. I
wanted to be persuaded because you could simply say, hey,
the United States government exists to protect the rights of
the American people and to you know, seek the welfare,
seek out the best possible welfare for the American people.
To what extent you want them to do. That depends
(25:26):
on how libertarian you are. And I get that. And offshoring,
like all the good steady manufacturing jobs, has been an
enormous negative in a lot of ways.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
But I just I'm sorry I didn't buy those arguments.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
What am I missing? Why am I wrong? Mail bag
at Armstrong and getty dot com. In the words of
Agent Molder on the X Files, I want to believe I.
Speaker 5 (25:48):
Don't think you're going to change the incentive when it
comes to like having stuff built in Mexico or India
or wherever the heck my socks are made.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
You know, it says Indiania, you need to have more
innovative socks.
Speaker 5 (26:00):
But uh, China, that's going to take care of itself.
Because there's such an enemy of the United States, people
aren't going to want to make stuff. I can't believe
that Apple is still making iPhones in China.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
They got to be scared to death on a daily basis. Yeah,
well that's why they opened.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
What is it they're having fifteen or eighteen percent of
their manufacturing done in India now, I think, but you know,
fifteen to eighteen percent eight much?
Speaker 5 (26:25):
No, but that that's what's going to take care of
the cheap Chinese goods. Is it just we're going to
reach the point of rupture with that enemy of the
United States one of these.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
Days, I suspect.
Speaker 5 (26:37):
So, yeah, so the chatting of our young people, which
I'll explain what that means coming up in a little bit.
And one of the funnier things Trump has ever said.
Is it chatting with a te chatting as in the
name Chad. Oh, I don't know that I've invented this term,
but oh, all that I don't know.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
You're innovating yourself ahead of the competition. I am getting
ahead of cheap Chinese talk shows exactly.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
It's on the way.
Speaker 5 (27:11):
So I'm trying to fit all this into this little
segment here. I got an idea, I got a plan. So,
first of all, came across this. If you have allergies
at all. I didn't have allergies in my entire life.
Moved to California, got allergies, which I guess happens to
some people.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
We get shots for years.
Speaker 5 (27:28):
Paulin expected to surpass historical averages in thirty nine states
this year, So for four out of five states, it
is going to be a worse than average allergy year
or something to look forward to, record setting.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Good lord, the sneezing, so much sneezing.
Speaker 5 (27:45):
President Trump calls on Congress to pass stable coin legislation
during his address at the Digital Asset Summer Summit.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Well, you talk about something I don't understand.
Speaker 5 (27:56):
We're ending the last administration's regulatory war on crypto and bitcoin. Okay,
this is either great or horrible or something in between.
I have no idea, don't ask me.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Not super comfy with Trump playing around with the meme
coin industry, by the way, I haven't talked about their.
Speaker 5 (28:11):
Okay, and a lot has been made over since Trump
came on the scene politically about his sleeping.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
How he let me sleep like five hours a night
or something like that.
Speaker 5 (28:21):
He's one of those people, Max, Yeah, got it, his age,
his level of stress. Anyway, he said something funny. Laura
Ingram asked him about his sleeping.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
You do when you.
Speaker 8 (28:31):
Can't sleep because you don't sleep, You're like me, you
don't sleep at all.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
I know you just don't need a lot of sleep.
But when you can't fall asleep, you wake up and
I'm like, how do you go back to sleep?
Speaker 7 (28:40):
Well, the only thing I totally admired about sleepy Joe
Biden is the following. He'd go to a beach, he'd
lay down in a cut, barely able to get his
feet through the sand. He'd lay down, and within minutes
he's sleeping, and you have cameras watching him.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
I could never do that. I would never be able
to sleep like that.
Speaker 7 (28:57):
That's about the only thing I think that was wonderful.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Uh. He was a disaster. This man was a disaster.
I don't sleep much. You don't sleep much.
Speaker 7 (29:06):
A lot of people that love what they're doing don't
sleep much, I find, and so far it's been okay.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
That's a decent point. If you can, in the middle
of the day, with.
Speaker 5 (29:14):
Cameras everywhere, shuffle on out to the beach, laid out,
sound asleep, that's a gift.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Or you have dementia, well yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Yeah, well you can sleep on airplanes like a ring
and a bell. For me to sleep ten minutes straight
on an airplane, I'm more likely to pull vault eighteen feet.
Speaker 5 (29:33):
I couldn't if I had cameras on me. Let's all
watch Jack sleep. I couldn't do that enough. Yeah, well,
you don't have the dementia. As you mentioned, the chatting
of America. I've been wanting to talk about this. I
see Pete Davidson has a new girl, hot young actress girlfriend.
Pete Davidson of SNL fame. He is involved in this.
(29:54):
He plays a character on Saturday Night Live name Chad,
and I kind of got it liked it over. It's
been going on for years. It's a recurring character's when
they do their little films. It's a recurring character until
I got a high school boy who is very much
like Chad, and I just wonder, and there's a reason
(30:14):
it's a popular character on Saturday Live.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
My kids act in that way.
Speaker 5 (30:17):
It must be like something in the water or the
air or culture right now. And the whole thing with Chad,
if you've never seen it, is they put him in
different circumstances like j looaks coming on to him in
one episode, or the place catches on fire, or just
whatever's going on. Whatever you say to Chad itsways okay,
(30:40):
I don't know, all right, the place is on fire,
Oh okay, we really should get out of here, all right.
Or j Lo's coming on, I think I've fallen in
love with you and have sex with you.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Cool. That's what he responds to everything, And that's whay.
Speaker 5 (30:58):
My son is with anything, and it's just does it
any breaking out of it? And I don't know if
that's fine or normal, or or if the younger generation
is just so comfortable and like numb from smartphones that
just nothing has an effect on them.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
I don't know what it is. I don't know if
it's a crisis or just funny.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Maybe it's the disease you get from calling everything awesome.
A sunrise is awesome, this taco is awesome. The Allies
triumphing in World War two is awesome.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Everything's awesome.
Speaker 5 (31:34):
Why do we had a producer I won't name his name,
guy I really really liked for a while who had
a bit of that himself. And it's just kinda you know,
you know, if you do this, that's gonna happen. Okay,
I mean just I don't care. Doesn't matter to me.
I mean, as long as I got a roof over
my head and a smartphone to stare at all, right, cool?
(31:58):
And I just wonder if I don't know, I don't
know if it's a thing.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Well, yeah, I don't know if it's because I'm the
presence of social media and electronic inputs is different than
we ever dealt with. But being like unaffected by anything
is It's an adolescent thing, especially around your parents.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
I'm independent, I'm cool. You can't affect me like you
did when I was a kid. You know that sort
of thing. Anie thoughts Joe just nailed at it. I
think it's a total cool guy thing, you know, I
don't care. It's all good. Yeah, yeah, well, it definitely is.
Speaker 5 (32:34):
I used to spend a lot of time in my
room listening to music when I was his age. When
I was a high schooler, I'd spend a lot of
time in my room with my stereo on, headphones on
or whatever, and I read. But that was one of
the only options. I didn't have a TV in my room.
My son doesn't have a TV in his room, but
he's got a TV in his hand with a smartphone.
But he'll get home from school and I'll try to
(32:58):
engage them in conversation for a while and then headed
to the zerom. What are you gonna do? Literally whatever
I want? And he can he can kill several hours
in his room because he's just texting with friends and.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Yeah nothing. How's things doing? Okay? Did you see you
hear about this? All right?
Speaker 1 (33:21):
I don't know where it goes unless it's the planet
of the apes or beavers or ants, as I've said,
But again, assemble Jesus and Buddha and nietzschee and you know,
Thomas Jefferson and who else? John Wayne you usually want
John Wayne for some reason. Heart Princess Diana, exactly. No,
this is not a Franklin Mint commemorative plate. This is
(33:42):
a meeting of the greatest minds in philosophers and history.
And tell them what if we were to put in
the hands of every human being a device that delivered
constant pleasure without effort, do you think things would go?
Speaker 2 (33:56):
And then please? They'd be climbing all over each other
to tell you, oh, bad idea, bad idea, And yet
here we are.
Speaker 5 (34:03):
And you'd say that in the younger generation, this is
going to destroy your motivation to do anything, and they
would say, okay, whatever.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
Cool exactly yeah again. Planet of the Beavers gonna be charming.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
In its way.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
I don't know if they will grow to astounding size
and oppress us remaining humans. That remains to be seen,
but they will indeed be in charge of the planet.
Speaker 5 (34:30):
So my youngest he plays video games and then he
gets angered himself for playing video games too much. And
he doesn't even play very much. But he told me
last night, he said, I'm giving this to you. Do
not give it back to me under no circumstances. Give
it back to me, no matter how much I beg
tomorrow and tomorrow I'm gonna beg. I'm gonna say I overreacted.
Don't give it back to me. I don't want it back.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
Wow, switch, I said Jean Wilder and young Frankenstein.
Speaker 5 (34:55):
Yeah, I said, You've seen this theme in lots of
TV shows and movies. I know you have, where the
person says, no matter how much I beg, don't let
me out, or that sort of thing. But right, okay,
we'll see how this turns out.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Yeah, good luck with that next hour.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
A number of things I'm anxious to bring to your attention,
including a couple of progressive states attacks on homeschooling that
are utterly galling and evil.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
Want to call those out.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
Plus the two faced corporations that do business in the
UK and in the United States over in Europe. Well,
I said the UK, but it's the UK and Europe.
Over in Europe, they're more woke than ever, even as
their public face in the US is oh, we've moved
beyond that sort of thing. So the Euro's gon a
euro as they say, and a lot more good stuff
(35:41):
if okay, yeah whatever, If you don't get next hour,
I don't care whether I get it or not. If
you don't get Next Hour, that's fine, just grab it
later via podcast.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
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Speaker 1 (36:10):
Mm hmm
Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George
Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Arm Strong and Jetty and now he arm Strong and Yetty.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
The corner said it was an accident, but it was
no accident. It was a monkey. When I was a kid,
my twin brother and I found something that loved to kill.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
We have been chosen to witness its power over life
and death in its most devious ways.
Speaker 5 (00:57):
So that's part of the that's part of the trailer
to the movie The Monkey, or if you member with this, Katie,
it's a it's like a little toy monkey, but it
did murders people and stuff.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Yeah, my husband said he wanted to see this, and
I hadn't looked at it. This thing's terrifying looking.
Speaker 5 (01:13):
It's it's it's an interesting combination. Sounded like a parody, Well, it's.
It is a clearly killer in questions a toy monkey.
It's clearly a combo horror horror movie, kind of comedy
ish parody, satire of horror movies. But it's pretty well
stream movies kind of. Yeah, it looks really really well done.
My son actually wants to take a girl to it.
(01:35):
I don't know if the he said she likes horror films. Oh,
she'll clutch his arm and that's all.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
That's the whole point, right, many a fine international protect
you from the movie monkey.
Speaker 5 (01:46):
Oh, because it's all the excuse to lean in and
you're cuddling.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Oh yeah, that's win win, Thank you monkey.
Speaker 5 (01:55):
I didn't even they didn't even think of that's a
clastic movie.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
He's ahead of me on this one.
Speaker 5 (02:02):
In other news, in other non evil monkey news, evil
toy monkey news. Trump was on the phone with Zulensky
yesterday for a while and it seemed to go fairly well.
Here's a news report about it, and then we'll fill
in some more details.
Speaker 6 (02:18):
That call between Presidents Trump and Zelensky lasting nearly an hour,
the Ukrainian leader agreeing to the same partial CEASEFI ideal
as Putin, pledging to stop attacking energy infrastructure. But in
a stunning development, Trump also offered to take ownership of
Ukraine's electrical supply and nuclear power plants, saying America could
offer the best protection. It could include Europe's largest nuclear
(02:39):
plant at Zaparisha, which Russia currently occupies at least initially.
Ukraine seems open to the idea. There'll be further talks
this weekend.
Speaker 5 (02:48):
So everybody's trying to guess what Trump's angle is on
this whole piece plan thing. I mean, everybody, I think
is a little confused. Yeah, starting to get a little
clearer to me. Well, okay, so here's the reporting. Trump
said that the US could be very helpful in running
(03:09):
all the power plants, electric and utility plants in Ukraine.
American ownership of those plants would be the best protection
for that infrastructure and support for Ukrainian injury energy infrastructure.
So is this similar to the rare earth metals mind
that we would run. Also, is it just we're gonna
happen so much economic intertwined reason to care about Ukraine
(03:36):
that'll be like, hey, Putin, don't be attacking basically the
United States his interests.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Yeah, it's becoming more clear to me, I think in that.
You know, Trump famously is transactional, and whether it's like
an actual philosophy of international relations.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Or just his ego.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Needs to be seen as getting something when he gives something.
And so the framework is we will be so entwined
with Ukraine economically especially, but you know, on a human
level too, because obviously we'll have lots and lots of
people there that that is Ukraine's security, and he can
(04:22):
go on about and now we have cheap electricity and
access to rare earth minerals and blah blah blah.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
It's a win for both sides.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
It's an interesting way to go about it. And you know,
I wouldn't bet my life savings on it working. But
if that's what he's thinking, that's not nuts.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
But it's different.
Speaker 5 (04:43):
So yeah, So it's different than like having a NATO
guarantee with Article five, where an attack on one is
an attack on all. So if you have NATO troops there,
instead of doing that, you just make it more much
more well transactional in that No, we have a bunch
of businesses there. There are billions at stake, dollars at steak.
(05:03):
Don't be attacking a country where we have billions of
dollars of business at stake.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
I was worried at.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
First because of Trump's you know, characteristic, oversimplified over belligerent
rhetoric that he was thinking more in terms of like
war reparations and having Ukraine's economy under our heel and
exploiting them for the rare minerals and the rest of it.
But like so often with Trump, that was the big
(05:29):
blustery opening, and it's starting to sound more like, you know, partnership.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
My actual partnership might be both.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Yeah, I mean, because I don't want to be a
colonial power at this point. I think that's a terrible idea.
He might want to be in. Well, yeah, well, i'm
he works for me, especially in the twenty first century
in a part of the world where they are armed
to the teeth.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
I don't think we want to a colony.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
But if it is, here's how we bring him to
the West and put them under our umbrella through enormous
commercial interaction. I don't know, it's an intriguing idea.
Speaker 5 (06:10):
Well, he wants to make Canada the fifty first state.
He seems to be fairly serious about figuring out a
way to get Greenland. I don't know. By the way,
I came across this tidbit yesterday, and then I'll be
done with this. But surely he understands the Canada thing
will never happen.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Right, we get more.
Speaker 5 (06:31):
Oil from Canada at an incredibly discounted price, and with
no fear of disruption because it's right on our border
like all the other.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
And there are buds.
Speaker 5 (06:41):
We get more oil from Canada than the next five
foreign sources combined.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
I had no idea of that.
Speaker 5 (06:46):
I couldn't have told you that we get fifteen times
more oil from Canada than from Saudi Arabia.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Didn't know that. So interesting.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Yeah, King of Ukraine, Western allies are meeting as we speak,
or just did. No, it's today to hash out a
bold European idea. When was the last time you heard
the phrase bold European idea? I know, let's make our
(07:17):
acconemy even more socialist than wreck it. That was really
the last one I heard. They're thinking of sending ten
to thirty thousand troops to Ukraine to help enforce any
eventual peace deal with Russia. Defense officials from dozens of
Western nations, not America. We are not involved. Zuos met
in the UK today. They met today, Yes, it's later
(07:42):
today over there to hammer out details of the so
called Coalition of the Willing, led by the UK and France,
that could help Ukraine deter Russia from attacking in the future.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
No US troops would be involved.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Again, the Eastern Euros are saying, yeah, well, we're right
next to Russian. We don't want to piss them off,
and we need them for our own defenses. But Britain, France, Sweden,
Denmark and Australia have all said they're considering putting boots
on the ground.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Right.
Speaker 5 (08:08):
So this is being portrayed, of course by the Trump haters.
As look, Europe is in such a desperate situation since
we've abandoned them that they feel like they need to.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Act on their own.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
Okay, that's one way to look at it, or another
way to look at it would be it's their freaking continent.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Why aren't they doing it instead of us or with us? Even?
Speaker 1 (08:28):
You know, I see the world through metaphors and I
find it illustrative.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
I hope you do too. But it's like we had
a totally.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Dysfunctional relationship with a clingy, weak partner who is nothing
but clingy and weak, and we said, nope, you're on
your own.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
We kicked them to the curb.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
They learned about themselves, jack, as they say these days,
they worked on themselves and now potentially they are a stronger,
more self reliant partner worth having.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
I mean Europe was getting damned close.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
To just as a useless ally, just weak paper tiger,
just clinging to us.
Speaker 5 (09:13):
Well, right, I had that quote from the leader of
Poland last week that I thought was really good. He's
more on our side by saying, how are we supposed
to convince three hundred million Americans that they need to
protect five hundred million Europeans from one hundred and forty
million Russians.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Yeah, yeah, I like to cut his jib. It's worth
mentioning that. A defense expert at King's College, London, Bence Nameth,
said the chance of this force ever heading to Ukraine
is a long shot. European leaders say they'll only send
troops if there is a lasting piece in Ukraine. Wow,
(09:51):
I'll go kick his ass as long as he says
he doesn't want to fight. Russian President Vladimir Putin is
so far ruled out signing piece deal that includes Western
forces in Ukraine, other than that it's a terrific idea.
Among other ideas floated were to get around Russia's opposition,
perhaps include troops that Russia SEESUS friendly from China or India,
(10:13):
for example, So you're gonna have like joint patrols of British,
French and Chinese troops to keep Vladimir Putin out of Ukraine.
Speaker 5 (10:22):
China is not putting troops in Ukraine? Is there a
ghastly can hear?
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Or what are you okay? How many fingers am I
holding up? Seriously?
Speaker 5 (10:32):
Good lord, I'm Santa Maria just upset Washington University at
the buzzer.
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Interesting perspective here.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Trump's Yemen campaign is promise to avoid quote unquote forever wars,
which is a term I hate. It's a catchphrase in
search of an argument. Nobody wants forever wars. Well, the
military industrial complex does you know what? You have a point,
But just because something takes a little while doesn't mean
you get to smugly call it a forever war on Twitter.
(12:22):
But there is no doubt that Trump's vale We're gonna
whoop the hell out of Hoothy's if they don't stop
their their horseplay, and we're gonna do it as long
as it takes, if it takes forever. That's, you know,
very much in contrast to what he's talking about during
the campaign. But you know, campaigns are all about oversimplification.
It'll be interesting to see, though, what his actual philosophy
(12:45):
is this time around, because it's already clearly not quite
as pat as was suggested during the campaign.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Not a shock. The question is does it make you happy?
Speaker 5 (12:55):
The United States has fallen to its lowest ranking ever
in the World Happiness Report, which makes me unhappy, among
other things we've got to talk about on the waistate here.
Speaker 7 (13:06):
Well, Khalil's not exactly an easy one either, because it's
some judge, you know, dlamdon de him. But the Democrats
last meek because of the stupidity of you know, they're
back in these ninety percent negative things. From the standpoint
people that hate Israel want to destroy it, people that
are murderers, people that are horrible.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
That was a little hard to untease.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
But what Trump was saying is that the Democrats lose
because they back things that nobody likes, and that brought
me to a chart that I saw. Steve Kernaki, who's
the head polster for NBC, puts this out recently, and
as he says, white non college men a more blue
collar demographic, and white college or plus women more upscale
(13:52):
one have come to exist in two polar opposite political
and cultural universes. And I think we knew that, but
looking at the polling, you look at Donald Trump positive
or negative, White men no degree plus forty one, white
women college or grad school minus thirty eight. With just
(14:12):
a little rounding, it's an eighty point gap. Wow, that
that can't exist in a single culture. I mean, if
you're talking about norwayan Yemen, I could see that sort
of gap existing. Jadie Vans, those are two very big groups. Also, well,
oh yeah, that's one of the points Karnaki gets to.
(14:33):
I'm you know, as long as you know you're right,
that's a better way to prove in.
Speaker 5 (14:37):
Native Americans and Arizona are really polar opposite in their
political views.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Either are two giant voting groups.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Well said, to quote mister Karnaki, both groups pack a
formidable punch. Eighteen percent of all voters last year were
non college white men, and seventeen percent were college educated
white women. So damn near twenty percent on each end
of the electorate. A little less so anyway, jd Vance
is only five points less polarizing. Elon Musk is a
seventy three point spread. Doge, as you might have guessed,
(15:07):
is eighty point spread. The Republican Party is a sixty
point spread. DEI is a seventy one point spread, with
white college plus women still plus thirty one on DEI.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Well, I clearly need.
Speaker 5 (15:24):
To date a non college graduate dude if I want
to be.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
In math checks out.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
And the Democratic Party it's a fifty four percent spread.
White men no degree minus fifty eight, almost minus sixty
in approval, and white college women is actually minus minus
four because they don't think the Democrats are radical enough.
Speaker 5 (15:49):
But so if you get this, almost twenty percent of
each group, so that's forty percent of the electorate total, right, yeah, yeah,
and they're that far apart. Is that ever happened in
our history? I wonder.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
I doubt it very very much, only like in eighteen
sixty one, and I don't know if you've heard, things
went very poorly for several years after that. Yeah, it's shocking,
and I'm trying. You know, I certainly have my point
of view. We have our point of view, and we're
trying to litigate it and convince more people. For instance, conservatism, localism,
(16:24):
you know, not teaching your kids porn in school, all
this stuff is better than the alternative. On the other hand,
I really try to understand what's happening before I go
into litigation mode, and I can't come up.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
With anything other than.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
The constant indoctrination of progressive ideals into students and particularly women.
For the socio psychological reasons We've talked about why women
are more easily in doctrinated than men a lot of times,
and the fact that women are not marrying and having
children so biologically they have a desperate need for a purpose.
(17:04):
They've been indoctrinated that their purpose is Marxism, essentially progressivism,
and that's why we're seeing this mind boggling and unprecedented spread.
Speaker 5 (17:14):
Well, I wonder if we crossed some sort of line
into a tipping point where it'd be hard to dig
out of this, Like what would be appealing about college
for a lot of men when all you see is
women who have a completely different view of the world
than you.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Well, in so.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Many degrees are worthless, and the youngsters barely learn anything,
and it's suffocatingly expensive.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Who could resist? Yeah, well that's interesting. Yeah, it's not good.
It's not healthy.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
I got a lot in so many emails from young
men saying, dude's the reason I don't date is because
women are out of their freaking minds.
Speaker 5 (17:57):
But not in the usual way in the college women
to be saying they're a bunch of maga idiots.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
That was why it don't Yes, yes, correct, good?
Speaker 5 (18:06):
They love not political war, any comic give us a
tax four oneftc.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Armstrong and Getty.
Speaker 5 (18:16):
Coming out your next segment. One of the funnier things
Trump has ever said. That's saying something, but pretty funny. Also,
the big case against green Peace. Have you heard about this?
Really interesting saw the headline Menendez brothers continue to be
a thing.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Who are you? Who are you.
Speaker 5 (18:31):
People who are fighting to get the Menendez brothers out
of prison? But or even talking about it?
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Do you not have a like, any interests or hobbies
or family to care about?
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Anyway?
Speaker 1 (18:46):
So what is Trump trying to do with the tariffs
and why is he going about it the way he's
going about it. Now, this might be two completely different questions,
but what's the plan. I have called for a Ronald
Reagan esque speak to speak to the nation saying, Hey,
this is going to be disruptive for a little while,
but here's what we're hoping happens. Here's roughly how long
(19:07):
it'll take. And that's why I'm doing what I'm doing.
You know, he constantly communicates with the press to the
point that any individual explanation, I think kind of gets
lost and it might illustrate the need to be a
little more selective in how often you speaking on what topic.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
But you know he's going to do him. But jd.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Vance did an interview recently in which he addressed the
very questions of trade policy and what they're trying to accomplish.
It is in three chunks, Michael, we'll just begin with
first and to discuss as needed.
Speaker 8 (19:38):
There were two conceits that our leadership class had when
it came to globalization. The first is assuming that we
can separate the making of things from the design of things.
The idea of globalization was that rich countries would move
further up the value chain, while the poor countries made
the simpler things. You would open an iPhone box and
(19:59):
it would say designed in Coupertino, California.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Now the implication, of course, is that.
Speaker 8 (20:04):
It would be manufacturing, eng engein or somewhere else. And yeah,
some people might lose their jobs in manufacturing, but they
could learn to design, or to use a very popular phrase,
learn to code. But I think we got it wrong.
It turns out that the geographies that do the manufacturing
get awfully good at the designing of things. Their network effects.
(20:24):
As you all well understand, the firms that design products
work with firms that manufacture. They share intellectual property, they
share best practices, and they even sometimes share critical employees. Now,
we assume that other nations would always trail us in
the value chain, but it turns out that as they
got better at the lower of the value chain, they
also started catching up on the higher end. We were
(20:47):
squeezed from both ends. Now that was the first conceit
of globalization.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Wow, that's good stuff. Why don't we get talked to
like that more often from politicians? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (21:00):
This I can't remember precisely or he was he was
speaking too. Folks who are you know, probably more hip
to this sort of thing. Than the average voter. Yeah,
I agree with them as far as it goes. Some
of it's a little overstated, I think, And you just
can't argue with Yeah, if I manufacture it over there,
I can offer the same product for thirty percent less,
(21:22):
because that is just too compelling in a free market
to pass up.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
It's too attractive.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
On the other hand, in the second clip, he gets
to cheap labor, and I think.
Speaker 8 (21:33):
The second is that cheap labor is fundamentally a crutch,
and it's a crutch that inhibits innovation.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
I might even say that it's a.
Speaker 8 (21:41):
Drug that too many American firms got addicted to. Now,
if you can make a product more cheaply, it's far
too easy to do that rather than to innovate. And
whether we were offshoring factories to cheap labor economies or
importing cheap labor through our immigration system, labor became the
drug of Western economies. And I'd say that if you
(22:04):
look in nearly every country from Canada to the UK
that imported large amounts of cheap labor, you've seen productivity stagnate.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
And I don't think.
Speaker 8 (22:11):
That's not a total happenstance. I think that the connection
is very direct.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
I assume he's getting to his ultimate point here in
a little bit. Yeah. I don't buy that argument, by
the way. Okay, yeah, I do.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
The idea that we've become less innovative because we have
cheap labor over there. Well, but again, if you are
five percent less innovative but can drop your price by
thirty percent and you're innovating pretty well, that's just not
a compelling argument in a free market.
Speaker 5 (22:40):
We've been doing the cheap labor thing for quite a while,
and we're the most innovative country on earth with all
the smartphone, computer AI, all that technologies come out of here.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Yeah, there are some leaps of logic there that I
don't think are like super compelling, But all right, bring
it home, JD.
Speaker 8 (22:56):
Now, one of the debates you hear on the minimum wage,
for instance, is that increase in the minimum wage force
firms to automate, So a higher wage of McDonald's means
more kiosks, And whatever your views on the wisdom of
the minimum wage, I'm not going to comment on that here.
Companies innovating in the absence of cheap labor is a
good thing. I think most of you are not worried
(23:16):
about getting cheaper and cheaper labor. You're worried about innovating,
about building new things. About the old formulation of technology
is doing more with less. You guys are all trying
to do more with less every single day. And so
I'd ask my friends, both on the tech optimist side
and on.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
The populace side, not to.
Speaker 8 (23:34):
See the failure of the logic of globalization as a
failure of innovation. Indeed, I'd say that globalization's hunger for
cheap labor is a problem precisely because it's been bad
for innovation. Both our working people are populists and our
innovators gathered here today have the same enemy. And the solution,
(23:56):
I believe is American innovation.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Yeah, it's not untrue what he's saying.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
I just think he's really grossly exaggerating his point or
inflating it. I mean, if I'm running Joe's tires and
Jack's running Jack's tires, and.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Rounder you're gonna like him.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
If you've shot for tires lately, you realize you could
about buy anything anyway, because we're you know, maybe this,
and we're selling essentially the same good. We both have
good service but you're importing tires that are thirty percent
cheaper than mine. Jd Vance would say, well, Joe, you've
got to innovate. You got to innovate your way because
(24:42):
now that you're not relying on cheap you gotta innovate.
But you can't innovate your way to not going out
of business. It's just not possible. In a lot of fields.
We're not all designing AI. Some of us are selling
tires or lumber, or washing machines or whatever. I and
I wanted I actually had only heard part of one
(25:04):
of those clips. I wanted to agree with them. I
wanted to be persuaded because you could simply say, hey,
the United States government exists to protect the rights of
the American people and to you know, seek the welfare,
seek out the best possible welfare for the American people.
To what extent you want them to do. That depends
(25:26):
on how libertarian you are. And I get that. And offshoring,
like all the good steady manufacturing jobs, has been an
enormous negative in a lot of ways.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
But I just I'm sorry I didn't buy those arguments.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
What am I missing? Why am I wrong? Mail bag
at Armstrong and getty dot com. In the words of
Agent Molder on the X Files, I want to believe I.
Speaker 5 (25:48):
Don't think you're going to change the incentive when it
comes to like having stuff built in Mexico or India
or wherever the heck my socks are made.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
You know, it says Indiania, you need to have more
innovative socks.
Speaker 5 (26:00):
But uh, China, that's going to take care of itself.
Because there's such an enemy of the United States, people
aren't going to want to make stuff. I can't believe
that Apple is still making iPhones in China.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
They got to be scared to death on a daily basis. Yeah,
well that's why they opened.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
What is it they're having fifteen or eighteen percent of
their manufacturing done in India now, I think, but you know,
fifteen to eighteen percent eight much?
Speaker 5 (26:25):
No, but that that's what's going to take care of
the cheap Chinese goods. Is it just we're going to
reach the point of rupture with that enemy of the
United States one of these.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
Days, I suspect.
Speaker 5 (26:37):
So, yeah, so the chatting of our young people, which
I'll explain what that means coming up in a little bit.
And one of the funnier things Trump has ever said.
Is it chatting with a te chatting as in the
name Chad. Oh, I don't know that I've invented this term,
but oh, all that I don't know.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
You're innovating yourself ahead of the competition. I am getting
ahead of cheap Chinese talk shows exactly.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
It's on the way.
Speaker 5 (27:11):
So I'm trying to fit all this into this little
segment here. I got an idea, I got a plan. So,
first of all, came across this. If you have allergies
at all. I didn't have allergies in my entire life.
Moved to California, got allergies, which I guess happens to
some people.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
We get shots for years.
Speaker 5 (27:28):
Paulin expected to surpass historical averages in thirty nine states
this year, So for four out of five states, it
is going to be a worse than average allergy year
or something to look forward to, record setting.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Good lord, the sneezing, so much sneezing.
Speaker 5 (27:45):
President Trump calls on Congress to pass stable coin legislation
during his address at the Digital Asset Summer Summit.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Well, you talk about something I don't understand.
Speaker 5 (27:56):
We're ending the last administration's regulatory war on crypto and bitcoin. Okay,
this is either great or horrible or something in between.
I have no idea, don't ask me.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Not super comfy with Trump playing around with the meme
coin industry, by the way, I haven't talked about their.
Speaker 5 (28:11):
Okay, and a lot has been made over since Trump
came on the scene politically about his sleeping.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
How he let me sleep like five hours a night
or something like that.
Speaker 5 (28:21):
He's one of those people, Max, Yeah, got it, his age,
his level of stress. Anyway, he said something funny. Laura
Ingram asked him about his sleeping.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
You do when you.
Speaker 8 (28:31):
Can't sleep because you don't sleep, You're like me, you
don't sleep at all.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
I know you just don't need a lot of sleep.
But when you can't fall asleep, you wake up and
I'm like, how do you go back to sleep?
Speaker 7 (28:40):
Well, the only thing I totally admired about sleepy Joe
Biden is the following. He'd go to a beach, he'd
lay down in a cut, barely able to get his
feet through the sand. He'd lay down, and within minutes
he's sleeping, and you have cameras watching him.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
I could never do that. I would never be able
to sleep like that.
Speaker 7 (28:57):
That's about the only thing I think that was wonderful.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Uh. He was a disaster. This man was a disaster.
I don't sleep much. You don't sleep much.
Speaker 7 (29:06):
A lot of people that love what they're doing don't
sleep much, I find, and so far it's been okay.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
That's a decent point. If you can, in the middle
of the day, with.
Speaker 5 (29:14):
Cameras everywhere, shuffle on out to the beach, laid out,
sound asleep, that's a gift.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Or you have dementia, well yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Yeah, well you can sleep on airplanes like a ring
and a bell. For me to sleep ten minutes straight
on an airplane, I'm more likely to pull vault eighteen feet.
Speaker 5 (29:33):
I couldn't if I had cameras on me. Let's all
watch Jack sleep. I couldn't do that enough. Yeah, well,
you don't have the dementia. As you mentioned, the chatting
of America. I've been wanting to talk about this. I
see Pete Davidson has a new girl, hot young actress girlfriend.
Pete Davidson of SNL fame. He is involved in this.
(29:54):
He plays a character on Saturday Night Live name Chad,
and I kind of got it liked it over. It's
been going on for years. It's a recurring character's when
they do their little films. It's a recurring character until
I got a high school boy who is very much
like Chad, and I just wonder, and there's a reason
(30:14):
it's a popular character on Saturday Live.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
My kids act in that way.
Speaker 5 (30:17):
It must be like something in the water or the
air or culture right now. And the whole thing with Chad,
if you've never seen it, is they put him in
different circumstances like j looaks coming on to him in
one episode, or the place catches on fire, or just
whatever's going on. Whatever you say to Chad itsways okay,
(30:40):
I don't know, all right, the place is on fire,
Oh okay, we really should get out of here, all right.
Or j Lo's coming on, I think I've fallen in
love with you and have sex with you.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Cool. That's what he responds to everything, And that's whay.
Speaker 5 (30:58):
My son is with anything, and it's just does it
any breaking out of it? And I don't know if
that's fine or normal, or or if the younger generation
is just so comfortable and like numb from smartphones that
just nothing has an effect on them.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
I don't know what it is. I don't know if
it's a crisis or just funny.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Maybe it's the disease you get from calling everything awesome.
A sunrise is awesome, this taco is awesome. The Allies
triumphing in World War two is awesome.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Everything's awesome.
Speaker 5 (31:34):
Why do we had a producer I won't name his name,
guy I really really liked for a while who had
a bit of that himself. And it's just kinda you know,
you know, if you do this, that's gonna happen. Okay,
I mean just I don't care. Doesn't matter to me.
I mean, as long as I got a roof over
my head and a smartphone to stare at all, right, cool?
(31:58):
And I just wonder if I don't know, I don't
know if it's a thing.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Well, yeah, I don't know if it's because I'm the
presence of social media and electronic inputs is different than
we ever dealt with. But being like unaffected by anything
is It's an adolescent thing, especially around your parents.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
I'm independent, I'm cool. You can't affect me like you
did when I was a kid. You know that sort
of thing. Anie thoughts Joe just nailed at it. I
think it's a total cool guy thing, you know, I
don't care. It's all good. Yeah, yeah, well, it definitely is.
Speaker 5 (32:34):
I used to spend a lot of time in my
room listening to music when I was his age. When
I was a high schooler, I'd spend a lot of
time in my room with my stereo on, headphones on
or whatever, and I read. But that was one of
the only options. I didn't have a TV in my room.
My son doesn't have a TV in his room, but
he's got a TV in his hand with a smartphone.
But he'll get home from school and I'll try to
(32:58):
engage them in conversation for a while and then headed
to the zerom. What are you gonna do? Literally whatever
I want? And he can he can kill several hours
in his room because he's just texting with friends and.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Yeah nothing. How's things doing? Okay? Did you see you
hear about this? All right?
Speaker 1 (33:21):
I don't know where it goes unless it's the planet
of the apes or beavers or ants, as I've said,
But again, assemble Jesus and Buddha and nietzschee and you know,
Thomas Jefferson and who else? John Wayne you usually want
John Wayne for some reason. Heart Princess Diana, exactly. No,
this is not a Franklin Mint commemorative plate. This is
(33:42):
a meeting of the greatest minds in philosophers and history.
And tell them what if we were to put in
the hands of every human being a device that delivered
constant pleasure without effort, do you think things would go?
Speaker 2 (33:56):
And then please? They'd be climbing all over each other
to tell you, oh, bad idea, bad idea, And yet
here we are.
Speaker 5 (34:03):
And you'd say that in the younger generation, this is
going to destroy your motivation to do anything, and they
would say, okay, whatever.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
Cool exactly yeah again. Planet of the Beavers gonna be charming.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
In its way.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
I don't know if they will grow to astounding size
and oppress us remaining humans. That remains to be seen,
but they will indeed be in charge of the planet.
Speaker 5 (34:30):
So my youngest he plays video games and then he
gets angered himself for playing video games too much. And
he doesn't even play very much. But he told me
last night, he said, I'm giving this to you. Do
not give it back to me under no circumstances. Give
it back to me, no matter how much I beg
tomorrow and tomorrow I'm gonna beg. I'm gonna say I overreacted.
Don't give it back to me. I don't want it back.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
Wow, switch, I said Jean Wilder and young Frankenstein.
Speaker 5 (34:55):
Yeah, I said, You've seen this theme in lots of
TV shows and movies. I know you have, where the
person says, no matter how much I beg, don't let
me out, or that sort of thing. But right, okay,
we'll see how this turns out.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Yeah, good luck with that next hour.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
A number of things I'm anxious to bring to your attention,
including a couple of progressive states attacks on homeschooling that
are utterly galling and evil.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
Want to call those out.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
Plus the two faced corporations that do business in the
UK and in the United States over in Europe. Well,
I said the UK, but it's the UK and Europe.
Over in Europe, they're more woke than ever, even as
their public face in the US is oh, we've moved
beyond that sort of thing. So the Euro's gon a
euro as they say, and a lot more good stuff
(35:41):
if okay, yeah whatever, If you don't get next hour,
I don't care whether I get it or not. If
you don't get Next Hour, that's fine, just grab it
later via podcast.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Subscribe to Armstrong and Getting on demand. Okay, cool cut's neat, Yeah,
cool cool cool dad? All right? Uh our four is
gonna be good. Stick here Armstrong and Getty.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Mm hmm
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