April 17, 2025 • 35 mins
Hour 3 of A&G features...
- Bernie & AOC in Folsom going after Kevin Kiley and college life
- Car sales & church on Sunday
- Rep Kevin Kiley talks to A&G
- Bingo, Bango, Bongo!
Stupid Should Hurt: https://www.armstrongandgetty.com/
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:01):
Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George
Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong, Joe Getty.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Arm Strong and Katty and now He Armstrong and Yeddy.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Easter Sunday happens to fall on the same day as
the marijuana holiday for twenty which means, no matter what
your religion, this Sunday, you're probably going to see a
giant bunny.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Why was Conan O'Brien doing a joke? Is that old? Yeah,
it's an old class Okay, got you? Yeah, gotcha?
Speaker 4 (00:44):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (00:44):
I love Conan.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Made a really serious point, But why would I I
got an article from The Oregonian about disappearing church going
in Oregon. Maybe I'll hit that later. Makes me sad?
Might just be nostalgia. Is it because I think religion
is so important? Or is it just nostalgia Sometimes it's
hard to separate in my head. It might be a
little of both.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
But I think it's an instinctive reaction, honestly, I do so.
Coming up, AOC and Bernard Sanders are on their Fighting
Oligarchy tour.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Yeah good, and.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
They hit one of the delightfully red parts of California.
Folsom California side of the famous Johnny Cash prison and
we're calling out Congressman Kevin Kylie bad mouthing him in
front of the hordes. Well, Kevin is going to answer
later this hour on the Armstrong and Getty Show, looking
forward to that.
Speaker 5 (01:36):
They should open falls of prison to olig Ox, They
should tell Lucy inmates who are victims of white supremacy
and capitalism.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
So yesterday we talked at length about the battle between
the Trump administration and Harvard and the bigger issue of
how to clean up the infection that is Neo Marxism
in our education system in general, but especially in our
(02:10):
colleges and universities. How do we get back to the
principles of the free exchange of ideas and academic freedom
and the horrible like Dei.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Statements and that sort of thing. How do how do
we clean that out?
Speaker 4 (02:25):
How do we fix that without violating our own principles?
The Trump administration will very short summary then I want
to get into some folks ideas that the email to us.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
But we were saying, if Trump uses the powers of
the federal government to control what's taught in colleges, the
next lunatic left sho to get in office.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Is going to do the same thing, right, right?
Speaker 4 (02:51):
Too many executive orders, not enough, Congress not enough, the
culture demands.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
But at the same time, why would any administration be
in favor of gazillions of dollars a taxpayer money going
to a college that you feel like is teaching things
opposite everything you believe?
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Right?
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Why doesthetical to the principles of the country, never mind
what I believe?
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Why would taxpayers fund that? Okay, so a bunch of emails,
I said, all right, how do we do this? What
techniques should we use that? Does anybody have any thoughts?
And as always, you guys, you folks, responded with brilliance
and creativity.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Let's see this is.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
And there's a bunch here, Jack, Well, just we'll sort
through them and discuss as necessary. Sarah with a nice
note about going back to grad school the first time
in twenty ten twenty eleven, the second time in twenty
nineteen through twenty one in California and how the viewpoint
diversity on campus in that first stint was challenging but
not impossible, but by twenty nineteen through twenty one, and
(03:55):
exacerbated by COVID, she writes, I noticed social justice and
every every class, rubric incorporated into instruction in every class,
which seemed to be legally required and actually is in California,
which is sick. So you know, and some people said, dudes,
all of a sudden, you're concerned about you don't want
the government to control what's being taught. They're controlling it
(04:17):
like crazy right now, reinforcing the neo Marxism.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
You're absolutely right. So that was more about her experience.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Now on the ideas, there wasn't any pushback from the
universities when you're jamming, you know, Marxist philosophy in there
with the government funding. There was no pushback because the
universities were happy to teach it. So it didn't really
make the news, right, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
So Jennifer writes a nice note, love hearing your thoughts
on academic freedom today. I'm glad it's always that you
don't just follow along with the latest Trump caper or
caprice note to self, use the term caprice more. I
was pleased to hear the discomfort in your voice as
you pondered as directives to Harvard academic and freedom and
tenure have a long entangled origin.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
And she goes into some of the history of it.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
But academic freedom and tenure have their roots in protecting
institutions and individuals from incoming rulers and administrations. Protecting the
scientists whose theories went against the teachings of the church.
For example, academic freedom meant no more burning heretical academics
at the stake. Intention was a very, very wise and
benign one. There cannot be scientific progress, or controversial literature,
(05:24):
new forms of artistic expression, or questioning the King without
art without economic freedom. Removing academic freedom, which is what
Trump is trying to do. You know, I would interject,
but Jennifer's.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
No academic freedom.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Right now, we know that you cannot be a scientist
at Harvard and not believe in climate change. You couldn't
or publish a paper. You couldn't do that. So that's
not academic freedom.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
Well right, And I'm going to interject here, Jennifer, because
I think she is semi unintentionally stated exactly the problem.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
I'm going to rephrase her sentence.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
Removing academic freedom, which is what Trump is trying to do.
To restore any semblance of academic freedom, would basically reverse
a thousand years of progress. Well, that would be true
if it were not already snuffed out on college CAMPI
to to you know, in the vast majority of them,
(06:17):
but now, okay, to solutions. I liked your leaning toward
a reasonable stance of actually enforcing existing civil rights laws
and then working to change culture within institutions. What Trump
is trying to do woul bring on predictable chaos. Honestly,
with the vitriol coming from the far left, I truly
believe that if they ever gained real power, conservatives of
(06:38):
any stripe would be in literal danger. I'd hate to
see Trump setting them up for that and that much power.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Well, one of the questions I was asking is why
are they getting federal money anyway? Harvard is sitting on
fifty three billion dollars and the Wall Street Journal actually
has an article today. Is Harvard's fifty three billion dollars
endowment big enough to offs at the funny cuts?
Speaker 2 (06:58):
I haven't read it yet, but I've got an interest
than that. Yeah, that's I was question.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
I would just pull back and say, fine, well, we'll
fund it ourselves.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
We also had an emailer staunchly defending taxpayer paid for
research at universities.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
I get it. Very very good defense.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Get I get why it would work, but I get
the theory, kind of like that person was talking about.
But the reality is the reality is there's only one
point of view that's allowed, including research. So I don't
want my taxpayer money going to universities that only allow
research that fits in with their politics.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
Right, Yeah, more strictly spent to research, money, more reasonably
spent would be fine.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Here's a note from Tim here.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
I liked your thoughts on reigning and Harvard and other
and their DEI programs, among other things. Here's my ideas
for doing that to them in other colleges that push
woke ideology. The government should sue them for any violations
of any law. Recruit plaintiffs who have been agreed by
the woke pol season represent them in lawsuits. I love
that withhold every diamond support, ask alumni to withhold their
financial support. Expose them for the leftist agenda they're pushing
(08:08):
on the students. Make it clear that a degree from
Harvard has become a liability and not an asset. Yeah, okay,
So combination of you know, attention on the progress the
problem and enforcing laws strictly and consistently.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
This reminds me a little bit of the problem with the.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
From the left, and we didn't agree with this their
idea of fixing racism with more racism. Yeah, this has
got a little bit of the fixing lack of academic
freedom with more of a lack of academic freedom.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
Right, That's that's what troubles me about it. And it's
a conundrum. It's a hard you know, not to crack,
which is why we ask for input from the folks.
A couple more. Our friend, Frank, Thanks Frank. It's an
honor to be your friend, writes the Real Culprit. The
original sin if you Will is the Higher Education Act
of nineteen sixty five, which is the legislation that allows
the federal government who influence a private colleges policies and
(09:02):
operations if it or its students.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Receives any federal money. This must be rescinded.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
Hillsdale College is famous for not taking federal money and
is therefore immune from federal meddling. This age is just
one of the lefty strategies that's caused the left to
expand their power.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
This is the if you still live with your parents,
you're gonna have to follow their rules principle.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
Yes, yeah, and it's notable that this was, you know,
during the reign of the Benevolent Great Society LBJ, who
decimated the American family, particularly the black family, by subsidizing families,
breaking up kids out of wedlock, the rest of it.
If you ever have any time, look at the comparison
(09:43):
of employment rates, imprisonment rates, education rates, et cetera among
Black Americans between nineteen fifty and nineteen seventy. You'll read
some stuff that will open your eyes. Let's see, this
is kind of neither here nor there, but I liked it.
Kim writing about how does school districts enforce equity in Oregon?
Because the problem goes all the way down to K
through twelve. In one case, in the town of Independence,
(10:07):
they couldn't find replacements for special needs teachers who were
absent for a very short period, so they closed down
the entire school because it would be inequitable to give
the vast majority of students instructional time that the special
needs students didn't get crazy. That's crazy again, that's not exactly,
but it's just more of the insanity. We're trying to
fight a couple more. We got a great note from
(10:30):
Mary who is the chairman and CEO of.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Independent institute.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
That works on this stuff a lot, and she recommended
a couple of books that they are part of, including
when they just released two days ago, Let Colleges Fail
The Power of Creative Destruction and Higher Education. And Mary
will absolutely be in touch about the book and about
what you all are trying to do.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Sounds just terrific. Yeah, there needs to be a little
more of that.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
And you know what's interesting is colleges and universities have
become so much like all the other giant, bloated, stupid
bureaucracies we talk about all the time. They are so
in bed with the government at this point, exactly the
same dynamics are at play. There's no responsiveness to taxpayers.
They just get bigger and bigger, no matter how bad
(11:26):
they are at their jobs.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
So yeah, I'm really intrigued by that.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
How about Randy in Pennsylvania listening to your comments blah
blah blah. Intentionally or not, Trump is doing what needs
to be done by getting this out in the open
for people to see what's going on, especially to hear
the progressive responses, which would shock many of us Hopefully
this will encourage people to get involved locally by getting
onto school boards to make a change at local levels.
I attended a day long program last Thursday by the
(11:51):
Institute of Faith and Freedom at Grove City College again Pennsylvania.
Can only say that I was hugely encouraged by the
dialogue provided by for recent grads, very refreshing. I like
that attack it at the elementary and high school levels,
local school boards. This is tom Leave. You touched on
(12:13):
it a little bit yesterday. You were mentioning letting the
free market decide. I think that's one part of it.
The other part of it is doing what we're doing
now simply stated, no federal funding of discriminatory policies or
violation of.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Civil rights laws. Yeah, that's true. That's absolutely true.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Ideological bigotry so much harder to root out, all right,
How would you have any sort of rule where you
force Harvard to fund research that doesn't believe in climate change?
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Right?
Speaker 4 (12:45):
Final note, we're gonna squeeze it in Burbank Luke, guys,
I hope this problem takes care of itself. You touched
on it yesterday. A degree from Harvard and others carries baggage.
Now the job applicant is not only possibly a leftist activist,
but you now have to wonder how smart they are.
I'm an engineer, and we only care about experience. I
know dozens of solid engineers who went to quote unquote
(13:05):
lesser schools who've done astounding stuff. Frankly, the elite engineering schools,
two of which are might now woke Alma Maters, been
overrated for a long time and aren't worth the tuition.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
That's interesting.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Wow, Wow sucks if you sent your kid there and
paid for it. We've got a lot of thanks for
your thoughts, everybody. We appreciate it. Yeah, that's good stuff.
Speaker 6 (13:27):
At car dealerships across the country, the rush to beat
the tariffs is on. Even customers who really don't need
a car are buying now before prices could rise by
as much as twenty five percent, and used car invatory
is also shrinking, but buyers shopping for cheaper options than
new cars with prices short rise, used car sales up
twelve percent compared to a year ago.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
What was your takeaway from that? You look shocked. Well,
if you don't need a car, why are you buying
one at all?
Speaker 7 (13:57):
I mean.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
Your car will lasts until things change again, unless you
think there's some sort of permanent, actual long term protectionist plying,
which I don't.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
No, No, I'll tell you what a guy told me
the other day. I was talking to this guy who
was doing some work for me. He's asking about my cyberbeast,
and I said, yeah, my oldest son got too tall
for the back seat of my car, so I needed something.
And I said, yeah, that seems like a good excuse.
(14:30):
People want an excuse to buy a different car. Yeah,
that's what they're doing. That percentage of people. That was
all it needed to say, Well, honey, I suppose we better.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
Yeah, as soon as you reach a level of financial
comfort that buying a car is not because the last
one won't run anymore and you desperately need.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Yeah, there's excuse making.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
So tomorrow is good Friday, I say with guilt in that,
and I don't I don't even.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Know where this comes from, being.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Completely open and honest about this, I don't even know
where the guilt comes from that I'm not. I don't
do anything for good Friday. I'm not planning to go
to church on Sunday. And more importantly, my guilt is
about the fact that I don't have my kids going
to church on Sunday, and I don't know. I went
to church on Sunday for Easter when I was a
kid and did all the Eastern stuff and I enjoyed it, actually,
(15:22):
so I feel guilty about that.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
I was looking at these statistics.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
The decline in people who call themselves Christians has leveled
off since twenty nineteen. It had been declining for quite
a few years. Now it's leveled off and it's not
declining anymore. Here are the latest numbers, which I thought
was kind of interesting. Nationally. Well, let me just do
(15:50):
these organ numbers because I thought it was interesting. And
this is from an Oregon newspaper and they're just talking
about organ which is less churchy than the rest of
the country. But it's kind of an interesting glimpse in
TI your non churchy states like Oregon, in California, I'm
sure in two thousand as recently a two thousand and seven,
two thirds of adults in Oregon identified themselves as Christians.
(16:11):
By the most recent survey last year, it's down to
forty three, so it dropped from sixty seven to forty
three from two thirty eight.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
God, that's quite a drop and a pretty short amount flushing,
isn't it. I'd love to hear an explanation of that.
Is it is there a been mass migration.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
And for the whole country it went from seventy eight
so damn near eighty percent in two thousand and seven
called themselves Christians and it's still sixty two percent. But
that's a that's a healthy drop. Yeah, but it is
leveled off and it hasn't dropped over the last three years.
I don't know what that means. Just thrown it out there.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
Yeah, I would never want anything close to theocracy, but
to deny that the foundation of English common law in
the Constitution has a lot to do with Judeo Christian
principles just being ignorant. They are intertwined.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
What are we coming up?
Speaker 4 (17:07):
Kevin Kylie, congressman from a conservative part of California, claps
back against AOC and Bernie who called him out the other.
Speaker 7 (17:14):
Day, Armstrong and getdy.
Speaker 8 (17:18):
Kevin Kylie knows that this is not what you want.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
He knows that it is deeply unpopular.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
He knows that it hurts the people of fulsome, but he.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Is not there to serve working families.
Speaker 8 (17:35):
He is there to serve himself and the billionaire class
that put him there. Well, mister Kylie, I think some
of your constituents have a message for you. Don't vote
to give tax breaks to billionaires and cut programs that
(17:59):
the working class of this country desperately needs.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Man. I wish, I wish we could talk to this
Kevin Kylie person, but he's probably busy giving a foot
rub to some oligarch right now.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
Oh, I tell you what typical of former English high
school teachers. Kevin Kylie has become an unrecognizable monster, apparently
according to AOC and Bernie, And we'll talk to the
monster now. Congressman Kevin Kylie of California's third District, Kevin,
how are you, sir?
Speaker 7 (18:29):
I'm doing well. So nice of you to welcome you.
Speaker 9 (18:31):
To your program, despite you know what you've heard from
our friends Bernie and AOC.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
There, you're currently on your hands and knees serving as
a footstool for an oligarch.
Speaker 7 (18:42):
Oh my god, it's crazy.
Speaker 9 (18:43):
Did you see she's fly first class for this fight oligarchy?
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Score? Yeah, right right?
Speaker 4 (18:49):
Seriously, And Kevin, you're not going to blow your own
horn but if you if you knew Kevin, a former
high school teacher, son of a teacher, who believes in
fiscal responsibility, educational choice, you know, American values. To to
call them some sort of lackey for all of ours
is hilarious. But how would you respond to the screens
that you've heard?
Speaker 9 (19:08):
Oh my gosh, where do I even begin. Well, for
one thing, you know, I actually told both of them
and I said, look, I'll debate you while you're in
town if you want. But no, they much prefer to
just stand up behind a teleprompter and attack me from
there than actually try to defend their ideas. But it's
like when you look at what they advocate for. Okay,
they want their socialists. They have a social's division for America.
(19:29):
They believe in open borders, they believe in defunding the police.
They believe in essentially attacking and effectively abolishing small businesses
or at least making life miserable for them. These ideas
have actually been implemented in the very states.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
That they visited.
Speaker 9 (19:47):
In California, no more so than in places like San Francisco,
or in Oakland or some Los Angeles. So we don't
have to theorize about what the consequences are. We can
see it in the real world that many Californians have
had to live with, and what are the consequences because
we have at a cont full crime and homelessness and poverty,
and ironically enough inequality. California has one of the most
is one of the most highest.
Speaker 7 (20:08):
Inequality states in the entire country. So I'd say, just
look at the reality that we have.
Speaker 9 (20:13):
Fortunately, I happen to represent an area where we do
things differently, and precisely because of that, we've managed to
maintain a much higher quality of life than the rest
of California.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
That's quite a crowd they drew, though enthusiastic crowd, as
Burnie always does. You know, there's just enough chunk of
people that buy that whole socialist vision that show up
and cheerleg crazy and I can't. So they're trying to
do what Trump did, where he would go into blue
areas and draw a big crowd of excited conservatives that
(20:42):
don't feel represented in that area and then call out
the local person and then make a lot of news
that way. So I guess that's the whole point is
to get you to respond. I don't see how it
benefits them exactly though.
Speaker 7 (20:56):
Yeah, I don't know, and you don't know how many
people cobby from.
Speaker 9 (20:59):
You know about it a laguaria and how our people
come from. So you know, but look, I feel like,
you know, people want to go and participate in that.
I think it's fine. I think that people of whatever
viewpoint they are is, whether you're far or less communists
or wherever you are on the spectrum, I think it's
it's a healthy thing to be an active participant in
the political process.
Speaker 7 (21:20):
It just so happens that the ideas that ms.
Speaker 9 (21:23):
Ocassio Cortes and Senator Standards are espousing are completely disastrous.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Right, So you know, the Trump example is he's going
around the country touting something that is majority mostly things
that were majority popular or close to go ahead and
nominate Bernie Ocassio Cortez. The lose forty eight states, So
go ahead, you know, get as much attention as you want, exactly.
Speaker 9 (21:50):
So, I mean, honestly, I think it's a great thing
in the sense that they're providing a very clear contrast
that we have a choice between radical socialism, which has
failed disasters everywhere it's been tried, including in places like
San Francisco, or a return of the common sense that
is sweeping the country right now and that is desperately
needed in California.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
Congressman Kevin Kylie on the line serves California's third district
to a very sane quadrant of California, not far from
the radio ranch at all. So, Kevin, I love the
point you made about the income inequality in California, and
it brought to mind a couple of stories I've heard
from friends who are small business people and or would
be small business people who tried to get something started
(22:33):
that would employ people and thereby feed and clothe them
and educate their children, and the bureaucrats extorted them for
either just exhorbitant amounts of money and permit fees and
that sort of thing, or the paperwork was so dizzying
it just discouraged them from doing it at all.
Speaker 7 (22:52):
Oh, that's right, exactly.
Speaker 9 (22:53):
And it's terrible at the state level in California. And
then you go to places like Los Angeles or San
Francisco or Oakland, and then you pile on the bureau
officey there, and it's why so many small businesses are
I mean, people in every community in California can tell
you their favorite restaurant had to shut down or their
favorite small business had to shut down. It's why you
a look at San Francisco. They've been leaving in droves.
(23:16):
And you know, California also has the highest level of
real poverty of every state in the country.
Speaker 7 (23:21):
Think about that.
Speaker 9 (23:22):
We've had one party rule for a long long time,
Gavin Newsom and the supermajority legislature, and they've produced the
highest poverty rate in the United States.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
I didn't know that.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
That's quite a stat say say that again, so I
fully understand it.
Speaker 9 (23:35):
California has the highest poverty rate in the United States
when you factor in the cost of living. That is
sort of the wild you know. Verdict for what these
policies give you is they give you precisely the opposite
of what Bernie and AOC are promising.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Newsome twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
Who's with me, so, Kevin, We've had an extended discussion
over the last couple of days about the situation in
American education K through PhD and and it's our belief
that it's it's it's a huge challenge for the United
States that so many of our educational institutions are teaching
our kids to despise their country and Western civilization and
(24:13):
that sort of thing.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
It's awful.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
You come from an education background, I know it's near
and dear to your heart. Do you have any thoughts
on how do we restore some semblance excuse me, of
academic freedom without taking away academic freedom by you know,
heavy handed mandates on college.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Is that something you think about much?
Speaker 9 (24:33):
Yeah, yeah, that's a great question. And you know, of
course this is all coming to a head with this
showdown between the administration and Harvard, But you know, we
need to think about what exactly happened on that and
a number of other campuses across this country.
Speaker 7 (24:47):
You had this.
Speaker 9 (24:48):
Absolutely abhorrent explosion in anti semitism. This isn't like some
small thing that went wrong. It's one of the world's
most abhorrent, recro grade, ancient prejudices that suddenly for antilite
in this horrifying way, that threatened the safety of students,
that they took over buildings, they shut down campuses.
Speaker 7 (25:08):
Essentially, essentially, people didn't feel safe on campus.
Speaker 9 (25:11):
And so I think that that has led many people
to ask what has gone so incredibly wrong?
Speaker 7 (25:18):
On these campuses.
Speaker 9 (25:19):
And it's not the sort of thing that the administration
is saying where you can just have some whatever, some
focus groups, some passport, some committee that says, okay, well
we'll try to do a little bit better.
Speaker 7 (25:28):
No, this is exposed something that.
Speaker 9 (25:30):
Is fundamentally wrong, problems that are deeply rooted in the
culture of academia that frankly have in some cases been
incubated at our universities and then spread throughout the country.
Speaker 7 (25:41):
And so I think that there this is a time
where we need.
Speaker 9 (25:43):
To demand fundamental reforms precisely to assure things like academic freedom.
Speaker 7 (25:48):
Because remember, even.
Speaker 9 (25:49):
Before the horrifying scenes we've seen over the last year
and a half, Harvard, just to take that as an example, again,
was the very worst college in the entire country when
it came to protecting free speech. There was a survey
fifty one colleges. They ranked them, how good are you
at actually allowing free speech, protecting the First Amendment? Harvard
was deadlas I forgot.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
That's unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
Yeah, you know, we'll have to schedule time to talk
at greater length about this, because again, I think it
may be the most important problem facing the United states.
But you're right, we need to call it out, raise awareness,
enforce the laws as they stand, and just chip away
at the deal.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Go back to making coffee for the oligarchs and we'll
let you go.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
Yeah, there's the monster described by and AOC and Bernie.
I hope your children weren't frightened. Rhetoric, Kevin Kylie always
always great to talk.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Keep fighting a good fight.
Speaker 7 (26:45):
You bet, thanks for having me on.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
So my joke about he was on his hands and
knees as a footstool for an oligark. The reason, the
reason that popped into my head is reading this book
yes today, and I won't get bogged down on what
it is, but it was about the elite private schools
in England in the.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Early twentieth century.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
We talked about this before Christopher Hitchins Rights, about how
brutal they were. I mean it's just amazing. I mean,
if you were rich, you sent your kid to the
hardest to get in school, they were gonna be raped
or fondled, beaten, with no repercussions from bullies.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
All kinds of horrible things.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Anyway, at length, yes, I was talking about the he
went to one of your super fancy private schools. I
mean he was like your upper crust of England. And
the headmaster, the guy who ran the school there, his
wife would make two of the kids get on their
hands and knees as a footstool for an evening at
the school.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Good work if you can get Oh my god, wow,
isn't that crazy? Wow? That you know? Oh boy?
Speaker 4 (27:56):
I would love to talk to some some Brits about
how that fits into the overall British vibe, you know,
the culture.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
And because that's so abhorrent.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Rich if you were rich, you sent your kids off
to be abused, and everybody knew it. It was because
most of them went to the same school. You went
to the school and were abused, and then you'd send
your kid to the same school to be abused.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
Right, would become an obedient cog who repressed his feelings
and behaved in a very British way.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
How that's what I was driving at.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
And there's actually some great pop music about this sort
of thing, whether it's Pink Floyd's Another Brick in the
Wall Part two or Bloody Well Right, the super Tramp
classic about the British schooling system and how utterly dehumanizing.
It was intentionally Wow. So they didn't come out of
those schools, And thank god. One thing I'm never gonna
(28:53):
do is have my kid go to some place like that.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
No, I did the opposite.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
Yeah, it's interesting and it's remark arkably different than the
American spirit.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Yeah, I'd say.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
She would make a couple of kids get on their
hands and knees, so she'd use them much for a
footstool in her evenings.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
That is that just be weird. I'm not sure I
want a human footstool. I mean, even if one were
offered to me, I'm not sure I would take you
up on the office.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
I agree, I wouldn't feel right about it. It takes
a certain personality to be okay with that. Yeah, yes,
I will use you's furniture. Sure, don't get.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Any ideas, Jack, I'm not coming in the studio. We
have more of the ways there.
Speaker 10 (29:41):
Do I believe that people would have a conversation with
me and get my perspective on things?
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Sure? Do I believe they would ever.
Speaker 10 (29:49):
Really really support me, Meaning those that have been entrench
within the Democratic Party are now and for the last
several years absolutely positively not look at what happened. I mean,
you can look at Andrew Cmo, you can look at
Al frankn you can look at a lot of different things.
And at least on the left, what they say is
that they eat their own, especially when they don't like you.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Steven A.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Smith, he's known as a sportscaster dabbling in politics, is
actually looking into running for president in twenty twenty eight.
He's on Hannity last night, perfectly aware that the left
eats its own, but he's prepared for that now.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
A lot of young men.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
I mean, his name recognition among young males is sky high.
And I might disagree with him on everything, but I
would never poo pooh him running for office because he's
a sportscaster.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
He's a very bright guy. He chose that profession. He's
a citizen of the country. He has ideas run for office.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
You got two Trump related things that I think are
interesting in these final minutes, so a lot of talk. Yesterday,
Judge came out and said he's going to hold various
people in contempt in the Trump administration if because they
did something. Rather, we got this text on Brett Beherr
last night, a Republican on the panel explained how the
judge saying the White House being held in criminal contempt
at court is because they were. And how about and
(31:04):
this person says, how about when they held Eric Holder
in contempt? Remember he was the Attorney General, the sitting
Attorney General was held in contempt by Congress. I can
hear America yelling, and what I've not seen him in jail.
He still makes speeches and runs in circles of power.
Nobody ever gets punished for being in contempt. Who cares well?
Speaker 4 (31:21):
Being in contempt at Congress is different than being held
in contempt by a court. Okay, I have contempt for Congress.
I should be held in contempt of Congress. I have
practically nothing but contempt for Congress. Yeah, so legally it's
a different thing.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
And this which I think is interesting from the New
York Times been expecting an attack on Iran any day.
New York Times says Israel had planned to strike Iranian
nuclear sites as soon as next month, but has been
waved off by President Trump in recent weeks in favor
of negotiating a deal with Turan to limit its nuclear program.
(31:58):
That's according to administration official and others briefed on the discussions.
Why they're telling the New York Times, I don't know,
might be on purpose.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Mister Trump made his decision after months of internal debate
over whether to pursue diplomacy or support Israel and seeking
to set back Iran's ability to build a bomb at
a time when Iran has been weakened militarily and economically.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
I think they've got to go now.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
But he's trying diplomacy first, which I suppose is a
good thing. And Mark Alprin's take on it is that
the buzz in DC continues to escalate, that there will
in fact be some sort of US Israeli strike before
too long on Iran.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
Yeah, you said you think they've got to go now.
What do you mean by now, before they have a
chance to rebuild their I mean not like now, like today,
I mean like this year, right, which is what I'm
driving at is I suspect very strongly. Trump's teams said, look,
we've got to have the political cover of we tried diplomacy.
And I know they've been trying diplomacy for years and years,
(32:59):
but let's take our shot at it now. It's going
to go down in flames, and then we and BB
bring the thunder. I suspect that's the strategy. That's going
to be a big deal. I know you weren't here
on Friday. I talked to Mike Lyons about this and
he confirmed what.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
I wasn't available. I was watching golf. He confirmed what
I've been saying. This would be the biggest military action
by the United States of America since Shocking on two
thousand and three.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
It's a big deal.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Clearly, it's not going to be just one of those
things where you read in the paper, you know, we
launched a couple of air strikes and killed an Al
Kaita member or something like that.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
It's going to be a big deal.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
And the resulting diplomacy with some of our friends in
the air world is going to be a little complicated
for a minute. It'll be just full of posturing and
them shouting about oh, an American monster, blah blah blah,
and then calling a White House and saying, hey, nice job,
love it.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Every country in the Middle East would be thrilled to
see Iran knock down a pagan, not get a bomb.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Oh yeah, absolutely true.
Speaker 4 (34:05):
But it's gonna happen, and that'll make the diplomacy is
going to fail and the bombs are gonna fall because
Iran Tehran is going to try as hard as they
can to pretend to negotiate and come up with some
sort of lukewarm deal that buys them time.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
Right, the Secretary of State sureahawk on this. Oh yeah, And.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
I suppose it comes down to whether or not Iran
believes Trump would actually do it, And maybe they believe
enough that he'll do it that they think, you know what,
there's no point in having our city destroyed.
Speaker 8 (34:38):
Me.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
Oh, that's the other thing. Mike Client said, this would
be regime change. This would be have to be regime change.
That's what would the goal would be?
Speaker 9 (34:45):
Here?
Speaker 2 (34:46):
How intriguing.
Speaker 4 (34:47):
I may grab that and listen to it via podcast
Armstrong and Getty on demand Friday's show. If I missed that,
and I did, I was watching golf.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
So launching a regime change in a Middle Eastern country
often leads to around for a while.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
Oh my, oh wait, now, hold hold on, give me
a minute. Yeah, golly, well, it's a complicated world, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Spicy time?
Speaker 1 (35:15):
So here's the deal. We do twenty hours a week.
We do four hours a day. If you don't get
every segment or every hour, you should get our podcast
Armstrong and Getty on demand. Subscribe so it automatically shows
up in your phone or your computer wherever you listen
to podcasts
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Armstrong and Getty
Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George
Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong, Joe Getty.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Arm Strong and Katty and now He Armstrong and Yeddy.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Easter Sunday happens to fall on the same day as
the marijuana holiday for twenty which means, no matter what
your religion, this Sunday, you're probably going to see a
giant bunny.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Why was Conan O'Brien doing a joke? Is that old? Yeah,
it's an old class Okay, got you? Yeah, gotcha?
Speaker 4 (00:44):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (00:44):
I love Conan.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Made a really serious point, But why would I I
got an article from The Oregonian about disappearing church going
in Oregon. Maybe I'll hit that later. Makes me sad?
Might just be nostalgia. Is it because I think religion
is so important? Or is it just nostalgia Sometimes it's
hard to separate in my head. It might be a
little of both.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
But I think it's an instinctive reaction, honestly, I do so.
Coming up, AOC and Bernard Sanders are on their Fighting
Oligarchy tour.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Yeah good, and.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
They hit one of the delightfully red parts of California.
Folsom California side of the famous Johnny Cash prison and
we're calling out Congressman Kevin Kylie bad mouthing him in
front of the hordes. Well, Kevin is going to answer
later this hour on the Armstrong and Getty Show, looking
forward to that.
Speaker 5 (01:36):
They should open falls of prison to olig Ox, They
should tell Lucy inmates who are victims of white supremacy
and capitalism.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
So yesterday we talked at length about the battle between
the Trump administration and Harvard and the bigger issue of
how to clean up the infection that is Neo Marxism
in our education system in general, but especially in our
(02:10):
colleges and universities. How do we get back to the
principles of the free exchange of ideas and academic freedom
and the horrible like Dei.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Statements and that sort of thing. How do how do
we clean that out?
Speaker 4 (02:25):
How do we fix that without violating our own principles?
The Trump administration will very short summary then I want
to get into some folks ideas that the email to us.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
But we were saying, if Trump uses the powers of
the federal government to control what's taught in colleges, the
next lunatic left sho to get in office.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Is going to do the same thing, right, right?
Speaker 4 (02:51):
Too many executive orders, not enough, Congress not enough, the
culture demands.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
But at the same time, why would any administration be
in favor of gazillions of dollars a taxpayer money going
to a college that you feel like is teaching things
opposite everything you believe?
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Right?
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Why doesthetical to the principles of the country, never mind
what I believe?
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Why would taxpayers fund that? Okay, so a bunch of emails,
I said, all right, how do we do this? What
techniques should we use that? Does anybody have any thoughts?
And as always, you guys, you folks, responded with brilliance
and creativity.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Let's see this is.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
And there's a bunch here, Jack, Well, just we'll sort
through them and discuss as necessary. Sarah with a nice
note about going back to grad school the first time
in twenty ten twenty eleven, the second time in twenty
nineteen through twenty one in California and how the viewpoint
diversity on campus in that first stint was challenging but
not impossible, but by twenty nineteen through twenty one, and
(03:55):
exacerbated by COVID, she writes, I noticed social justice and
every every class, rubric incorporated into instruction in every class,
which seemed to be legally required and actually is in California,
which is sick. So you know, and some people said, dudes,
all of a sudden, you're concerned about you don't want
the government to control what's being taught. They're controlling it
(04:17):
like crazy right now, reinforcing the neo Marxism.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
You're absolutely right. So that was more about her experience.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Now on the ideas, there wasn't any pushback from the
universities when you're jamming, you know, Marxist philosophy in there
with the government funding. There was no pushback because the
universities were happy to teach it. So it didn't really
make the news, right, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
So Jennifer writes a nice note, love hearing your thoughts
on academic freedom today. I'm glad it's always that you
don't just follow along with the latest Trump caper or
caprice note to self, use the term caprice more. I
was pleased to hear the discomfort in your voice as
you pondered as directives to Harvard academic and freedom and
tenure have a long entangled origin.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
And she goes into some of the history of it.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
But academic freedom and tenure have their roots in protecting
institutions and individuals from incoming rulers and administrations. Protecting the
scientists whose theories went against the teachings of the church.
For example, academic freedom meant no more burning heretical academics
at the stake. Intention was a very, very wise and
benign one. There cannot be scientific progress, or controversial literature,
(05:24):
new forms of artistic expression, or questioning the King without
art without economic freedom. Removing academic freedom, which is what
Trump is trying to do. You know, I would interject,
but Jennifer's.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
No academic freedom.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Right now, we know that you cannot be a scientist
at Harvard and not believe in climate change. You couldn't
or publish a paper. You couldn't do that. So that's
not academic freedom.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
Well right, And I'm going to interject here, Jennifer, because
I think she is semi unintentionally stated exactly the problem.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
I'm going to rephrase her sentence.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
Removing academic freedom, which is what Trump is trying to do.
To restore any semblance of academic freedom, would basically reverse
a thousand years of progress. Well, that would be true
if it were not already snuffed out on college CAMPI
to to you know, in the vast majority of them,
(06:17):
but now, okay, to solutions. I liked your leaning toward
a reasonable stance of actually enforcing existing civil rights laws
and then working to change culture within institutions. What Trump
is trying to do woul bring on predictable chaos. Honestly,
with the vitriol coming from the far left, I truly
believe that if they ever gained real power, conservatives of
(06:38):
any stripe would be in literal danger. I'd hate to
see Trump setting them up for that and that much power.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Well, one of the questions I was asking is why
are they getting federal money anyway? Harvard is sitting on
fifty three billion dollars and the Wall Street Journal actually
has an article today. Is Harvard's fifty three billion dollars
endowment big enough to offs at the funny cuts?
Speaker 2 (06:58):
I haven't read it yet, but I've got an interest
than that. Yeah, that's I was question.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
I would just pull back and say, fine, well, we'll
fund it ourselves.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
We also had an emailer staunchly defending taxpayer paid for
research at universities.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
I get it. Very very good defense.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Get I get why it would work, but I get
the theory, kind of like that person was talking about.
But the reality is the reality is there's only one
point of view that's allowed, including research. So I don't
want my taxpayer money going to universities that only allow
research that fits in with their politics.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
Right, Yeah, more strictly spent to research, money, more reasonably
spent would be fine.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Here's a note from Tim here.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
I liked your thoughts on reigning and Harvard and other
and their DEI programs, among other things. Here's my ideas
for doing that to them in other colleges that push
woke ideology. The government should sue them for any violations
of any law. Recruit plaintiffs who have been agreed by
the woke pol season represent them in lawsuits. I love
that withhold every diamond support, ask alumni to withhold their
financial support. Expose them for the leftist agenda they're pushing
(08:08):
on the students. Make it clear that a degree from
Harvard has become a liability and not an asset. Yeah, okay,
So combination of you know, attention on the progress the
problem and enforcing laws strictly and consistently.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
This reminds me a little bit of the problem with the.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
From the left, and we didn't agree with this their
idea of fixing racism with more racism. Yeah, this has
got a little bit of the fixing lack of academic
freedom with more of a lack of academic freedom.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
Right, That's that's what troubles me about it. And it's
a conundrum. It's a hard you know, not to crack,
which is why we ask for input from the folks.
A couple more. Our friend, Frank, Thanks Frank. It's an
honor to be your friend, writes the Real Culprit. The
original sin if you Will is the Higher Education Act
of nineteen sixty five, which is the legislation that allows
the federal government who influence a private colleges policies and
(09:02):
operations if it or its students.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Receives any federal money. This must be rescinded.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
Hillsdale College is famous for not taking federal money and
is therefore immune from federal meddling. This age is just
one of the lefty strategies that's caused the left to
expand their power.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
This is the if you still live with your parents,
you're gonna have to follow their rules principle.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
Yes, yeah, and it's notable that this was, you know,
during the reign of the Benevolent Great Society LBJ, who
decimated the American family, particularly the black family, by subsidizing families,
breaking up kids out of wedlock, the rest of it.
If you ever have any time, look at the comparison
(09:43):
of employment rates, imprisonment rates, education rates, et cetera among
Black Americans between nineteen fifty and nineteen seventy. You'll read
some stuff that will open your eyes. Let's see, this
is kind of neither here nor there, but I liked it.
Kim writing about how does school districts enforce equity in Oregon?
Because the problem goes all the way down to K
through twelve. In one case, in the town of Independence,
(10:07):
they couldn't find replacements for special needs teachers who were
absent for a very short period, so they closed down
the entire school because it would be inequitable to give
the vast majority of students instructional time that the special
needs students didn't get crazy. That's crazy again, that's not exactly,
but it's just more of the insanity. We're trying to
fight a couple more. We got a great note from
(10:30):
Mary who is the chairman and CEO of.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Independent institute.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
That works on this stuff a lot, and she recommended
a couple of books that they are part of, including
when they just released two days ago, Let Colleges Fail
The Power of Creative Destruction and Higher Education. And Mary
will absolutely be in touch about the book and about
what you all are trying to do.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Sounds just terrific. Yeah, there needs to be a little
more of that.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
And you know what's interesting is colleges and universities have
become so much like all the other giant, bloated, stupid
bureaucracies we talk about all the time. They are so
in bed with the government at this point, exactly the
same dynamics are at play. There's no responsiveness to taxpayers.
They just get bigger and bigger, no matter how bad
(11:26):
they are at their jobs.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
So yeah, I'm really intrigued by that.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
How about Randy in Pennsylvania listening to your comments blah
blah blah. Intentionally or not, Trump is doing what needs
to be done by getting this out in the open
for people to see what's going on, especially to hear
the progressive responses, which would shock many of us Hopefully
this will encourage people to get involved locally by getting
onto school boards to make a change at local levels.
I attended a day long program last Thursday by the
(11:51):
Institute of Faith and Freedom at Grove City College again Pennsylvania.
Can only say that I was hugely encouraged by the
dialogue provided by for recent grads, very refreshing. I like
that attack it at the elementary and high school levels,
local school boards. This is tom Leave. You touched on
(12:13):
it a little bit yesterday. You were mentioning letting the
free market decide. I think that's one part of it.
The other part of it is doing what we're doing
now simply stated, no federal funding of discriminatory policies or
violation of.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Civil rights laws. Yeah, that's true. That's absolutely true.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Ideological bigotry so much harder to root out, all right,
How would you have any sort of rule where you
force Harvard to fund research that doesn't believe in climate change?
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Right?
Speaker 4 (12:45):
Final note, we're gonna squeeze it in Burbank Luke, guys,
I hope this problem takes care of itself. You touched
on it yesterday. A degree from Harvard and others carries baggage.
Now the job applicant is not only possibly a leftist activist,
but you now have to wonder how smart they are.
I'm an engineer, and we only care about experience. I
know dozens of solid engineers who went to quote unquote
(13:05):
lesser schools who've done astounding stuff. Frankly, the elite engineering schools,
two of which are might now woke Alma Maters, been
overrated for a long time and aren't worth the tuition.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
That's interesting.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Wow, Wow sucks if you sent your kid there and
paid for it. We've got a lot of thanks for
your thoughts, everybody. We appreciate it. Yeah, that's good stuff.
Speaker 6 (13:27):
At car dealerships across the country, the rush to beat
the tariffs is on. Even customers who really don't need
a car are buying now before prices could rise by
as much as twenty five percent, and used car invatory
is also shrinking, but buyers shopping for cheaper options than
new cars with prices short rise, used car sales up
twelve percent compared to a year ago.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
What was your takeaway from that? You look shocked. Well,
if you don't need a car, why are you buying
one at all?
Speaker 7 (13:57):
I mean.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
Your car will lasts until things change again, unless you
think there's some sort of permanent, actual long term protectionist plying,
which I don't.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
No, No, I'll tell you what a guy told me
the other day. I was talking to this guy who
was doing some work for me. He's asking about my cyberbeast,
and I said, yeah, my oldest son got too tall
for the back seat of my car, so I needed something.
And I said, yeah, that seems like a good excuse.
(14:30):
People want an excuse to buy a different car. Yeah,
that's what they're doing. That percentage of people. That was
all it needed to say, Well, honey, I suppose we better.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
Yeah, as soon as you reach a level of financial
comfort that buying a car is not because the last
one won't run anymore and you desperately need.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Yeah, there's excuse making.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
So tomorrow is good Friday, I say with guilt in that,
and I don't I don't even.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Know where this comes from, being.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Completely open and honest about this, I don't even know
where the guilt comes from that I'm not. I don't
do anything for good Friday. I'm not planning to go
to church on Sunday. And more importantly, my guilt is
about the fact that I don't have my kids going
to church on Sunday, and I don't know. I went
to church on Sunday for Easter when I was a
kid and did all the Eastern stuff and I enjoyed it, actually,
(15:22):
so I feel guilty about that.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
I was looking at these statistics.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
The decline in people who call themselves Christians has leveled
off since twenty nineteen. It had been declining for quite
a few years. Now it's leveled off and it's not
declining anymore. Here are the latest numbers, which I thought
was kind of interesting. Nationally. Well, let me just do
(15:50):
these organ numbers because I thought it was interesting. And
this is from an Oregon newspaper and they're just talking
about organ which is less churchy than the rest of
the country. But it's kind of an interesting glimpse in
TI your non churchy states like Oregon, in California, I'm
sure in two thousand as recently a two thousand and seven,
two thirds of adults in Oregon identified themselves as Christians.
(16:11):
By the most recent survey last year, it's down to
forty three, so it dropped from sixty seven to forty
three from two thirty eight.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
God, that's quite a drop and a pretty short amount flushing,
isn't it. I'd love to hear an explanation of that.
Is it is there a been mass migration.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
And for the whole country it went from seventy eight
so damn near eighty percent in two thousand and seven
called themselves Christians and it's still sixty two percent. But
that's a that's a healthy drop. Yeah, but it is
leveled off and it hasn't dropped over the last three years.
I don't know what that means. Just thrown it out there.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
Yeah, I would never want anything close to theocracy, but
to deny that the foundation of English common law in
the Constitution has a lot to do with Judeo Christian
principles just being ignorant. They are intertwined.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
What are we coming up?
Speaker 4 (17:07):
Kevin Kylie, congressman from a conservative part of California, claps
back against AOC and Bernie who called him out the other.
Speaker 7 (17:14):
Day, Armstrong and getdy.
Speaker 8 (17:18):
Kevin Kylie knows that this is not what you want.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
He knows that it is deeply unpopular.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
He knows that it hurts the people of fulsome, but he.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Is not there to serve working families.
Speaker 8 (17:35):
He is there to serve himself and the billionaire class
that put him there. Well, mister Kylie, I think some
of your constituents have a message for you. Don't vote
to give tax breaks to billionaires and cut programs that
(17:59):
the working class of this country desperately needs.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Man. I wish, I wish we could talk to this
Kevin Kylie person, but he's probably busy giving a foot
rub to some oligarch right now.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
Oh, I tell you what typical of former English high
school teachers. Kevin Kylie has become an unrecognizable monster, apparently
according to AOC and Bernie, And we'll talk to the
monster now. Congressman Kevin Kylie of California's third District, Kevin,
how are you, sir?
Speaker 7 (18:29):
I'm doing well. So nice of you to welcome you.
Speaker 9 (18:31):
To your program, despite you know what you've heard from
our friends Bernie and AOC.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
There, you're currently on your hands and knees serving as
a footstool for an oligarch.
Speaker 7 (18:42):
Oh my god, it's crazy.
Speaker 9 (18:43):
Did you see she's fly first class for this fight oligarchy?
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Score? Yeah, right right?
Speaker 4 (18:49):
Seriously, And Kevin, you're not going to blow your own
horn but if you if you knew Kevin, a former
high school teacher, son of a teacher, who believes in
fiscal responsibility, educational choice, you know, American values. To to
call them some sort of lackey for all of ours
is hilarious. But how would you respond to the screens
that you've heard?
Speaker 9 (19:08):
Oh my gosh, where do I even begin. Well, for
one thing, you know, I actually told both of them
and I said, look, I'll debate you while you're in
town if you want. But no, they much prefer to
just stand up behind a teleprompter and attack me from
there than actually try to defend their ideas. But it's
like when you look at what they advocate for. Okay,
they want their socialists. They have a social's division for America.
(19:29):
They believe in open borders, they believe in defunding the police.
They believe in essentially attacking and effectively abolishing small businesses
or at least making life miserable for them. These ideas
have actually been implemented in the very states.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
That they visited.
Speaker 9 (19:47):
In California, no more so than in places like San Francisco,
or in Oakland or some Los Angeles. So we don't
have to theorize about what the consequences are. We can
see it in the real world that many Californians have
had to live with, and what are the consequences because
we have at a cont full crime and homelessness and poverty,
and ironically enough inequality. California has one of the most
is one of the most highest.
Speaker 7 (20:08):
Inequality states in the entire country. So I'd say, just
look at the reality that we have.
Speaker 9 (20:13):
Fortunately, I happen to represent an area where we do
things differently, and precisely because of that, we've managed to
maintain a much higher quality of life than the rest
of California.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
That's quite a crowd they drew, though enthusiastic crowd, as
Burnie always does. You know, there's just enough chunk of
people that buy that whole socialist vision that show up
and cheerleg crazy and I can't. So they're trying to
do what Trump did, where he would go into blue
areas and draw a big crowd of excited conservatives that
(20:42):
don't feel represented in that area and then call out
the local person and then make a lot of news
that way. So I guess that's the whole point is
to get you to respond. I don't see how it
benefits them exactly though.
Speaker 7 (20:56):
Yeah, I don't know, and you don't know how many
people cobby from.
Speaker 9 (20:59):
You know about it a laguaria and how our people
come from. So you know, but look, I feel like,
you know, people want to go and participate in that.
I think it's fine. I think that people of whatever
viewpoint they are is, whether you're far or less communists
or wherever you are on the spectrum, I think it's
it's a healthy thing to be an active participant in
the political process.
Speaker 7 (21:20):
It just so happens that the ideas that ms.
Speaker 9 (21:23):
Ocassio Cortes and Senator Standards are espousing are completely disastrous.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Right, So you know, the Trump example is he's going
around the country touting something that is majority mostly things
that were majority popular or close to go ahead and
nominate Bernie Ocassio Cortez. The lose forty eight states, So
go ahead, you know, get as much attention as you want, exactly.
Speaker 9 (21:50):
So, I mean, honestly, I think it's a great thing
in the sense that they're providing a very clear contrast
that we have a choice between radical socialism, which has
failed disasters everywhere it's been tried, including in places like
San Francisco, or a return of the common sense that
is sweeping the country right now and that is desperately
needed in California.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
Congressman Kevin Kylie on the line serves California's third district
to a very sane quadrant of California, not far from
the radio ranch at all. So, Kevin, I love the
point you made about the income inequality in California, and
it brought to mind a couple of stories I've heard
from friends who are small business people and or would
be small business people who tried to get something started
(22:33):
that would employ people and thereby feed and clothe them
and educate their children, and the bureaucrats extorted them for
either just exhorbitant amounts of money and permit fees and
that sort of thing, or the paperwork was so dizzying
it just discouraged them from doing it at all.
Speaker 7 (22:52):
Oh, that's right, exactly.
Speaker 9 (22:53):
And it's terrible at the state level in California. And
then you go to places like Los Angeles or San
Francisco or Oakland, and then you pile on the bureau
officey there, and it's why so many small businesses are
I mean, people in every community in California can tell
you their favorite restaurant had to shut down or their
favorite small business had to shut down. It's why you
a look at San Francisco. They've been leaving in droves.
(23:16):
And you know, California also has the highest level of
real poverty of every state in the country.
Speaker 7 (23:21):
Think about that.
Speaker 9 (23:22):
We've had one party rule for a long long time,
Gavin Newsom and the supermajority legislature, and they've produced the
highest poverty rate in the United States.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
I didn't know that.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
That's quite a stat say say that again, so I
fully understand it.
Speaker 9 (23:35):
California has the highest poverty rate in the United States
when you factor in the cost of living. That is
sort of the wild you know. Verdict for what these
policies give you is they give you precisely the opposite
of what Bernie and AOC are promising.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Newsome twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
Who's with me, so, Kevin, We've had an extended discussion
over the last couple of days about the situation in
American education K through PhD and and it's our belief
that it's it's it's a huge challenge for the United
States that so many of our educational institutions are teaching
our kids to despise their country and Western civilization and
(24:13):
that sort of thing.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
It's awful.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
You come from an education background, I know it's near
and dear to your heart. Do you have any thoughts
on how do we restore some semblance excuse me, of
academic freedom without taking away academic freedom by you know,
heavy handed mandates on college.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Is that something you think about much?
Speaker 9 (24:33):
Yeah, yeah, that's a great question. And you know, of
course this is all coming to a head with this
showdown between the administration and Harvard, But you know, we
need to think about what exactly happened on that and
a number of other campuses across this country.
Speaker 7 (24:47):
You had this.
Speaker 9 (24:48):
Absolutely abhorrent explosion in anti semitism. This isn't like some
small thing that went wrong. It's one of the world's
most abhorrent, recro grade, ancient prejudices that suddenly for antilite
in this horrifying way, that threatened the safety of students,
that they took over buildings, they shut down campuses.
Speaker 7 (25:08):
Essentially, essentially, people didn't feel safe on campus.
Speaker 9 (25:11):
And so I think that that has led many people
to ask what has gone so incredibly wrong?
Speaker 7 (25:18):
On these campuses.
Speaker 9 (25:19):
And it's not the sort of thing that the administration
is saying where you can just have some whatever, some
focus groups, some passport, some committee that says, okay, well
we'll try to do a little bit better.
Speaker 7 (25:28):
No, this is exposed something that.
Speaker 9 (25:30):
Is fundamentally wrong, problems that are deeply rooted in the
culture of academia that frankly have in some cases been
incubated at our universities and then spread throughout the country.
Speaker 7 (25:41):
And so I think that there this is a time
where we need.
Speaker 9 (25:43):
To demand fundamental reforms precisely to assure things like academic freedom.
Speaker 7 (25:48):
Because remember, even.
Speaker 9 (25:49):
Before the horrifying scenes we've seen over the last year
and a half, Harvard, just to take that as an example, again,
was the very worst college in the entire country when
it came to protecting free speech. There was a survey
fifty one colleges. They ranked them, how good are you
at actually allowing free speech, protecting the First Amendment? Harvard
was deadlas I forgot.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
That's unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
Yeah, you know, we'll have to schedule time to talk
at greater length about this, because again, I think it
may be the most important problem facing the United states.
But you're right, we need to call it out, raise awareness,
enforce the laws as they stand, and just chip away
at the deal.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Go back to making coffee for the oligarchs and we'll
let you go.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
Yeah, there's the monster described by and AOC and Bernie.
I hope your children weren't frightened. Rhetoric, Kevin Kylie always
always great to talk.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Keep fighting a good fight.
Speaker 7 (26:45):
You bet, thanks for having me on.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
So my joke about he was on his hands and
knees as a footstool for an oligark. The reason, the
reason that popped into my head is reading this book
yes today, and I won't get bogged down on what
it is, but it was about the elite private schools
in England in the.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Early twentieth century.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
We talked about this before Christopher Hitchins Rights, about how
brutal they were. I mean it's just amazing. I mean,
if you were rich, you sent your kid to the
hardest to get in school, they were gonna be raped
or fondled, beaten, with no repercussions from bullies.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
All kinds of horrible things.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Anyway, at length, yes, I was talking about the he
went to one of your super fancy private schools. I
mean he was like your upper crust of England. And
the headmaster, the guy who ran the school there, his
wife would make two of the kids get on their
hands and knees as a footstool for an evening at
the school.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Good work if you can get Oh my god, wow,
isn't that crazy? Wow? That you know? Oh boy?
Speaker 4 (27:56):
I would love to talk to some some Brits about
how that fits into the overall British vibe, you know,
the culture.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
And because that's so abhorrent.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Rich if you were rich, you sent your kids off
to be abused, and everybody knew it. It was because
most of them went to the same school. You went
to the school and were abused, and then you'd send
your kid to the same school to be abused.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
Right, would become an obedient cog who repressed his feelings
and behaved in a very British way.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
How that's what I was driving at.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
And there's actually some great pop music about this sort
of thing, whether it's Pink Floyd's Another Brick in the
Wall Part two or Bloody Well Right, the super Tramp
classic about the British schooling system and how utterly dehumanizing.
It was intentionally Wow. So they didn't come out of
those schools, And thank god. One thing I'm never gonna
(28:53):
do is have my kid go to some place like that.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
No, I did the opposite.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
Yeah, it's interesting and it's remark arkably different than the
American spirit.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Yeah, I'd say.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
She would make a couple of kids get on their
hands and knees, so she'd use them much for a
footstool in her evenings.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
That is that just be weird. I'm not sure I
want a human footstool. I mean, even if one were
offered to me, I'm not sure I would take you
up on the office.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
I agree, I wouldn't feel right about it. It takes
a certain personality to be okay with that. Yeah, yes,
I will use you's furniture. Sure, don't get.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Any ideas, Jack, I'm not coming in the studio. We
have more of the ways there.
Speaker 10 (29:41):
Do I believe that people would have a conversation with
me and get my perspective on things?
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Sure? Do I believe they would ever.
Speaker 10 (29:49):
Really really support me, Meaning those that have been entrench
within the Democratic Party are now and for the last
several years absolutely positively not look at what happened. I mean,
you can look at Andrew Cmo, you can look at
Al frankn you can look at a lot of different things.
And at least on the left, what they say is
that they eat their own, especially when they don't like you.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Steven A.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Smith, he's known as a sportscaster dabbling in politics, is
actually looking into running for president in twenty twenty eight.
He's on Hannity last night, perfectly aware that the left
eats its own, but he's prepared for that now.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
A lot of young men.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
I mean, his name recognition among young males is sky high.
And I might disagree with him on everything, but I
would never poo pooh him running for office because he's
a sportscaster.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
He's a very bright guy. He chose that profession. He's
a citizen of the country. He has ideas run for office.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
You got two Trump related things that I think are
interesting in these final minutes, so a lot of talk. Yesterday,
Judge came out and said he's going to hold various
people in contempt in the Trump administration if because they
did something. Rather, we got this text on Brett Beherr
last night, a Republican on the panel explained how the
judge saying the White House being held in criminal contempt
at court is because they were. And how about and
(31:04):
this person says, how about when they held Eric Holder
in contempt? Remember he was the Attorney General, the sitting
Attorney General was held in contempt by Congress. I can
hear America yelling, and what I've not seen him in jail.
He still makes speeches and runs in circles of power.
Nobody ever gets punished for being in contempt. Who cares well?
Speaker 4 (31:21):
Being in contempt at Congress is different than being held
in contempt by a court. Okay, I have contempt for Congress.
I should be held in contempt of Congress. I have
practically nothing but contempt for Congress. Yeah, so legally it's
a different thing.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
And this which I think is interesting from the New
York Times been expecting an attack on Iran any day.
New York Times says Israel had planned to strike Iranian
nuclear sites as soon as next month, but has been
waved off by President Trump in recent weeks in favor
of negotiating a deal with Turan to limit its nuclear program.
(31:58):
That's according to administration official and others briefed on the discussions.
Why they're telling the New York Times, I don't know,
might be on purpose.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Mister Trump made his decision after months of internal debate
over whether to pursue diplomacy or support Israel and seeking
to set back Iran's ability to build a bomb at
a time when Iran has been weakened militarily and economically.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
I think they've got to go now.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
But he's trying diplomacy first, which I suppose is a
good thing. And Mark Alprin's take on it is that
the buzz in DC continues to escalate, that there will
in fact be some sort of US Israeli strike before
too long on Iran.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
Yeah, you said you think they've got to go now.
What do you mean by now, before they have a
chance to rebuild their I mean not like now, like today,
I mean like this year, right, which is what I'm
driving at is I suspect very strongly. Trump's teams said, look,
we've got to have the political cover of we tried diplomacy.
And I know they've been trying diplomacy for years and years,
(32:59):
but let's take our shot at it now. It's going
to go down in flames, and then we and BB
bring the thunder. I suspect that's the strategy. That's going
to be a big deal. I know you weren't here
on Friday. I talked to Mike Lyons about this and
he confirmed what.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
I wasn't available. I was watching golf. He confirmed what
I've been saying. This would be the biggest military action
by the United States of America since Shocking on two
thousand and three.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
It's a big deal.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Clearly, it's not going to be just one of those
things where you read in the paper, you know, we
launched a couple of air strikes and killed an Al
Kaita member or something like that.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
It's going to be a big deal.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
And the resulting diplomacy with some of our friends in
the air world is going to be a little complicated
for a minute. It'll be just full of posturing and
them shouting about oh, an American monster, blah blah blah,
and then calling a White House and saying, hey, nice job,
love it.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Every country in the Middle East would be thrilled to
see Iran knock down a pagan, not get a bomb.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Oh yeah, absolutely true.
Speaker 4 (34:05):
But it's gonna happen, and that'll make the diplomacy is
going to fail and the bombs are gonna fall because
Iran Tehran is going to try as hard as they
can to pretend to negotiate and come up with some
sort of lukewarm deal that buys them time.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
Right, the Secretary of State sureahawk on this. Oh yeah, And.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
I suppose it comes down to whether or not Iran
believes Trump would actually do it, And maybe they believe
enough that he'll do it that they think, you know what,
there's no point in having our city destroyed.
Speaker 8 (34:38):
Me.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
Oh, that's the other thing. Mike Client said, this would
be regime change. This would be have to be regime change.
That's what would the goal would be?
Speaker 9 (34:45):
Here?
Speaker 2 (34:46):
How intriguing.
Speaker 4 (34:47):
I may grab that and listen to it via podcast
Armstrong and Getty on demand Friday's show. If I missed that,
and I did, I was watching golf.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
So launching a regime change in a Middle Eastern country
often leads to around for a while.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
Oh my, oh wait, now, hold hold on, give me
a minute. Yeah, golly, well, it's a complicated world, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Spicy time?
Speaker 1 (35:15):
So here's the deal. We do twenty hours a week.
We do four hours a day. If you don't get
every segment or every hour, you should get our podcast
Armstrong and Getty on demand. Subscribe so it automatically shows
up in your phone or your computer wherever you listen
to podcasts
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Armstrong and Getty
Hosts And Creators
Joe Getty
Jack Armstrong
Popular Podcasts
Stuff You Should Know
If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.
The Joe Rogan Experience
The official podcast of comedian Joe Rogan.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!