April 21, 2025 • 36 mins
Featured during Hour 4 of the Monday April 21, 2025 edition of The Armstrong & Getty Replay...
- Schumer Mocks GOP Wealth and Paying Taxes
- Tariffs and Cannibalism
- DEI Still Not Understood/ NFL
- AI will replace everyone...wildly inaccurate
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George
Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong, Joe, Katty.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Armstrong, and Jetty and He Armstrong and Getty Strong and
so Chuck Schumer was on the view.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Yet he's making the rounds because he's got this book out,
which I actually heard a little bit about it. I'm
glad he wrote it, and it's kind of interesting. He's
worried about the rise of anti Semitism in the United States,
including in his own party among your college kids.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
And he's out talking about it. So that's kind of cool.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Chuck Schumer is an ancient Democratic Senator from New York
who has been majority leader in the senat a various times.
Now he's the minority leader. He is the king of
the Senate on the Democrat side. So he got some
blowback last week because he went along with the Republican
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legislation that kept the government open and the aocs of
the world that wing Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, those people
wanted to shut down the government. Chuck Schumer said there
was no win in it, and Nancy Pelosi yesterday said
she kind of hit him with a little uh. She
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still supports him, but I don't believe in giving something
away for nothing. She said after that, in that Chuck
went along with it but didn't get anything, which is true.
Nancy Pelosi was good at that. Trump's good at that.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
If you're going to get something from me, I'm gonna
get something from you.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Always. If only they knew what they wanted. Really, maybe
that's a problem. They're so scattered anyway, I didn't mean
to talk about that. So he's on the view and
he said something that really bothered me.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
So we'll start here the Republican Party.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait
wait wait. I don't want that yet. Where we were going
to start with, remember Jerry Brown to start here. This
goes back to the governor of California few years back.
Four term governor. He was the youngest governor of California
for two terms. That he was the oldest governor in
California for two terms. He did date a young Linda Ronstadt,
which is a featheries cap.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Mmm. You can't take that away from aw.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Yeah, but he once said this about the way economics works.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
I guess those.
Speaker 5 (02:25):
Who have been blessed the most, who have disproportionately extracted
by whatever skill, more and more from the national wealth.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
They're going to have to share more of that. It's
on the idea of paying taxes that those who have.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Disproportionately extracted from the economy more from the national wealth.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
From the national wealth.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
So success is taking money from the nation. It's not
creating jobs and money and products and greater wealth for everyone. No,
it's a limited pie. And you took more than your
share by building a successful business.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Well, and it's not yours, it's the nations and the
steward of that money is the government, which we get
to here with Juck Schumer on the view when he
said this yesterday.
Speaker 5 (03:18):
The Republican Party is a different kettle of fish than
it used to be, and that's why we're fighting them
so hard. They are controlled by a small group of wealthy,
greedy people. And you know what their attitude is. I
made my money all by myself. How dare your government
take my money from me. I don't want to pay taxes,
or I built my company with my bare hands. How
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dare your government tell me how I should treat my customers,
the land and water that I own, or my employees.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
They hate governments.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
Government's a barrier to people, a barrier to stop them
from doing things they want to destroy it.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
We are not letting them do it, and we're united.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
So again that in there.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
These greedy people who make money who want to keep
more of their money. Their attitude is, I made my
money all by myself. How dare your government take my
money from me?
Speaker 4 (04:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Well summarized, and so that's an interesting philosophical breakdown. I know,
I know people personally who believe that and think that way.
That you're out there going to work making money, I
guess for the government. It runs through the government, and
then you get to keep some of it.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
But it's the government's.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Money to spend on, you know, good things that make
everybody better, happier, or something like it.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
And other people will, through the government, take your money
from you as much as they decide is proper, and
they will let you keep some of it. Perhaps, as
the great Thomas Soul said so famously, I have never
understood why it is greed to want to keep the
money you have earned, but not greed to want to
take someone else's mind.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
I found that absolutely fascinating. I mean, that is some
big time philosophical disagreement on the structure of society.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Yes, and I would love to reduce our politics now
and again, maybe we can have one week a year
where we have learned, folks of you know, each side's
choosing debate in front of the nation, the notion of
either a what you earn is yours. Now we the
people ask you for a little bit of it to
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help run the country.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Rhodes Police Army, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
But indeed we have past laws saying the government gets
a little bit of it to run itself, versus the
folks who say, no, the government gets all of it.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
If we decide to take.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
All of it, it's not your money at all, it
never has been. That goes back and then I would
love then in the follow up a part my side
would would say, well, then why the hell would anybody
bust their ass to build a business if y'all are
going to take it all or half of it, which
is why socialism doesn't work.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Should have dug up the Barack Obama clip, the famous
one that he got beat up for a fair amount.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
By anybody on the right. Anyway, you didn't build that.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
It's the idea that government has put in place a
structure for you to go out and be successful, and
so you owe that money to the government because they
put all this together for you to be successful. The
government is the reason you're successful. That's what Chuck Schumer's saying.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Building a business with five hundred employees, it's like falling
off a log thanks to the government.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
So we get most of it.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
I mean, he used his mocking voice when he said,
I made my money all by myself. How dare your
government take my money from me? Okay, I'll say the
same thing in my regular voe. I made my money
all by myself. How dare the freaking government take it
from me? There, I said it without the mocking voice,
because that's what I actually believe.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
I understand how a leech on the public like Chuck Schumer,
who like you know, Joe Biden or a thousand other
politicians on both sides of the aisle, have made their
wealth and their power purely from draining the vital fluids
of the American people. How actual production is foreign to them.
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I'd love to have Mark Wayne Mullen talk to Chuck
Schumer about that. Mark Wayne Mullen, who built a He
was a plumber, he built a plumbing contracting business in Oklahoma,
became he's a senator now from Oklahoma. If you don't
know Mark Wayne, talk to him at the RNC. It
was great fun and very interesting. But have him discussed
with Chuck Schumer what it takes to build a business
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as a to just you know, again, being a parasite
on the height of the American people.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
That's something I mean that that I find that highly
troubling that that attitude even exists out there.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Let alone could win the day.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Well, yeah, the fact that Chuck Schumer promotes it is
not that shocking to me. The fact that tens of millions,
one hundred and fifty million Americans think the same way.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Now that bothers me.
Speaker 5 (08:26):
I made my money all by myself. How dare your
government take my money from me.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
I don't want to pay taxes.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
You don't have to use the cartoonish voice. That's what
I actually believe, me and me and lots.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Of people, and I think virtually nobody says I don't
want to have to pay taxes. No, I don't want
to have to pay excessive taxes that are purely a
redistribution of wealth to gain you power, because I know
with one hundred percent certainty that's what you do. You
make moral arguments and compassionate arguments to get giant gobs
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of money to enhance your own power and influence.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
First of all, if you keep your money. Sometimes people
do things that are really good for society, you know,
build a rocket company or charity or whatever it is.
But what if you just go out and buy expensive
houses and cars if you're super wealthy for whatever reason.
It's Kensian when the government spreads money around because it's
just good spending money. But if an individual spends money,
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it's not Kensian and not good for the economy. Is
fine with me, signed.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Everybody who worked on building that house end or car
end or services it or fixes that house or whatever,
or its restaurant and has employees. My final note on
this topic will be something I've said many times through
the years and will continue to if you will allow me.
You good people, imagine a charity that can feed, clothes, house, medicate,
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and educate.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Thousands of children. Thousands of children.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
That charity is called a business with employees who get
pay and benefits. You have accomplished all those things I
described by starting a successful business.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
They don't see it that way. On the left, I
made my.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
Money all by myself. How dare your government take my
money from me? I don't want to pay taxes?
Speaker 1 (10:25):
True, that is true if this were not being broadcast live.
I have a simple two word response that rhymes with
duck whom.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
The armstrong and getting shadows.
Speaker 6 (10:41):
So when you think about these businesses and a one
hundred and five percent therapy put on them.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
It's untenable for them.
Speaker 6 (10:48):
They don't have the cash flow, they don't have the
access to capital, and it's basically locking up.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Production in the toy industry.
Speaker 6 (10:56):
No toys are currently being produced in China, and they're
all reports that major retailers here in the US are
starting to actually cancel orders.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
So so Christmas is at risk.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
That's some economic expert on CNN yesterday on the lead,
Christmas is at risk. Toy companies can handle one hundred
and forty five percent tariff. At some point the rubber
is going to meet the road on this isn't it.
I mean we all were relieved, I guess to find
out iPhones aren't going to triple in price.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
But there is all that other.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Stuff right, you know, part of me he wants to
urge that guy to watch how the Grinch stole Christmas
Christmas and be reminded that it came. It came, It
came without boxes and bushels and bags the rest of it.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Yeah, Christmas, isn't it risk? But he was talking about
toy retailers, so I get that.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
You know, the ready fire aim nature of the tariffs
is I think going to be counterproductive, although I suspect
it's just going to lead to better trade deals. But
it was pointed out by some learned folks that if
you're a giant multinational conglomerate with lobbyists and perhaps a
tim cook who can pick up the phone and call
Donald Trump, you get a carve out. But all the
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mom and pop businesses, all the small manufacturers, they don't.
They're gonna be you know, put out of business, right
because they can't on shore their inputs fast enough bankrupt,
which is the main from the right big critique of
tariffs in general, that it ends up being I mean,
you're like creating a reason for people to get special
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treatment or do things to get special treatment.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Right, Yeah, it enriches the swamp.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
I was just texting with somebody who said they were
about to do something, it doesn't matter what, and I said,
you're brave, Gail King, brave. I wonder if that will
catch on as like, well, you're like Gail King brave
there congratulations.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Oh, speaking of economic occurrence and stuff like that, there's
a lot of talk of recession because of the tariffs.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
And all and how it shakes out. Nobody knows exactly.
We're not already be in one of many according to
many economists.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Well that's right, And I came across this from the
Wall Street Journal, which I thought was kind of a
good reminder what is a recession and how when will
we know if we are in one? Now, that common
rule of thumb is that two consecutive quarters of declining
griss product counts as a recession, the.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Last if it's during the Biden administration run, and that
doesn't run out.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
But the GDP is not the criterion used by the
National Bureau of Economic Research, which is the long standing
arbiter of US recessions among economists, government officials, policymakers, and
news organizations including the Wall Street Journal. The NBR recession
dates are determined by its prosaically named quote Business Cycle
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Dating Committee, a group of eight academic academic economists, some
of whom have been members of the committee for decades.
What I look for in order to make a recession
call this quote a significant decline in economic activity that
has spread across the economy and lasts more than a
few months.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Well, it's pretty employment wishy washy. Oh, it's very wishy washy. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
The main indicators they watch are on our employment, inflation
adjusted personal income, real consumer spending, real manufacturing and trade,
industry sales, and industrial production.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Well that's there's a democrat in office. Well, yeah, that's interesting.
So it's a little bit of like, that's just your opinion, man.
And I always remember a guy I knew ran his
own business. He was a very successful ange his own business.
And this was years ago, like mid two thousand and five.
I can remember and him saying we're in a recession.
And we weren't like officially in a recession, and he
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said we're in a recession. And I was like, wow,
that's interesting that you just said that out loud when
you know it hasn't been declared.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
And in this case, it ended up being declared. The
next quarter.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
He had already felt it, But I thought at the time, well,
even if it's not for the rest of the United States,
if it is for your industry here, that's all that
matters to you.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
So this is kind of a stupid term.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
It's kind of like we always talk about when they
give you a national real estate to statistics. What's the
point of that more homes were sold last year than
this year. Well that's I don't even know if that
number is useful to anybody, but it's certainly not useful
to your state, county, neighborhood or whatever.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Well, my only argument against that would be that if
your policies cause one those policies should be reviewed and criticized. Yeah,
so it helps to be able to say, in even
a semi concrete way, hey, this isn't working.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
It's hurting the economy. Right. But yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
But it's not what the media portrays it to be
some sort of all encompassing It's not a diagnosis with cancer.
It's just okay, things are not growing, economics or what's
going on.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
If your industry on the entire West Coast is suffering
because of something the weather or whatever, you're in a
recession every bit as much as if they declared a
national recession. Yeah, so, yeah, I'm not sure that term
means that much to me anymore. What you said makes sense.
And again they changed the definition of it or went
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with the specific definition of it when it applied to
Joe Biden, because by the definition we'd all been using
our entire adult lives, we were in a recession, and
they didn't want that to be true. Right, yep, what evs?
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Yeah, I know, and I've lived through I can't.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
Even tell you how many in my life, ten twelve,
I don't know, thirty, I don't even know, which is
part of my point. They come and go and we're
all fine, and you know, I don't want it to happen.
But it's not like the end of the world.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
Well right, And there have been upsides, Like I've gotten
used to the taste of human flesh. There's been so
much cannibal during the recessions.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Yeah, it's his old hat. For me, it's the other
white meat. As far as I'm concerned, Armstrong and Getty
show to arms Strong and Geddy on demand. We're not boring.
A lot of news is boring and tedious and depressing.
It makes you angry. You don't want to live your
life like that.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Hey, I'm Jack Armstrong, He's Joe Getty. We're Armstrong in Geeddy.
We try to bring you the truth and help you
figure out this crazy modern world.
Speaker 7 (17:25):
I know something about a comedic tone.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
We have a one arm Yes.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Listen to Armstrong You Getty on demand on the iHeartRadio app,
Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Jack Armstrong
and Joe Getty the Armstrong and Getty Show. I thought
this is interesting if you're new to the show. Jack
and I both have railed long and hard against critical
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theory and DEI.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
It's neo Marxism. We'll explain a little more about that.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
It masquerades quite successfully though, as we just want everybody
to get a fair shot in America, and a lot
of people think DEI actually is just we want more diversity,
We want people to be able to apply for jobs
and get them. No, everybody wants that DEI is in
in cities plot that masquerades as civil rights. Having said that,
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the headline the Journal America is abandoning DEI. The NFL
remains all in. Everyone from the federal government as a
fortune five hundred are dialing back diversity efforts DEI efforts,
but America's most popular sport is standing its ground.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
I'm not shocked by this. I don't like it.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
I don't like the fact that journalism regularly fudges the
difference between DEI, which is a specific thing, and diversity,
acting like they're the same thing.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
They don't know.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
I honestly believe the percentage of Americans who understand that
that DEI is part of critical theory comes from the
Frankfurt school of philosophy. It's a it's a method of
taking over institutions. Essentially, you call everybody a racist unless
they agree with you. Perhaps you went to a delightful
training session where this happened. And obviously, if you're a racist,
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according to the nice people who are running your DEI department,
you can't be in charge. And so they get rid
of you, and they bring in somebody who believes what
they do, which is neo Marxism, equity, et cetera. DEI
is Marxism. It's not diversity.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
That reminds me.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
I read a great piece yesterday on how Ibram X
Kennedy is one of the great sisters of all time.
Now that his run is over, I think, and to
shut down his anti racist institute.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
He got fifty.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Million dollars I think in.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Donations from companies. Never did anything. No, people are falling
all over themselves to give money. I'm not a racist.
Don't call me a racist. Don't call me a racist.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
And you remember, no matter how you intended what you said,
if I say you're a racist, you are a racist.
It's a method of capture, of taking over institutions. And
he and Robin DiAngelo and that whole ridiculous scam which
is still going on.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
They knew precisely what they're doing.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
But back to my main point, I think a lot
of people don't understand it. Yeah, I see even in
fairly conservative publications, I still see people talk about DEI
as if it's just an honest and open hearted desire
to have, you know, like a black kid have the
same opportunities in America as a white kid. Again, everybody
wants that DEI is not that anyway. Having said that,
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back to the journal thing, the NFL is a TV show.
Never forget that. It's an entertainment product from top to bottom.
It's not actually an effort to see which city has
the best forty guys to play football hired BMS. No,
it's a TV show, and it is an incredibly popular,
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profitable TV show, and a huge percentage of the cast
are young black men and are incredibly important to the
game and its popularity.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
I've noticed that, and given the fact.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
That most people don't understand what DEI really is and
what it is not, including young black men who run,
you know, receiving routes and get tackled hard and stay
in incredible physical condition and memorize playbooks that would boggle
the mind of an MIT physicist, that they don't spend
a lot of time acquainting themselves with the subtleties of
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sociological issues.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Is not shocking.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
So I get why Roger Goodell has said, no, we're
still up with diversity, up with DEI, We're continuing all
our programs. I get why he does that. It annoys me,
but I get it. I thought this was more interesting
and revealing. This is a piece written by Callum Borcher's
what happens when a former NFL player becomes your office coworker,
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And I've got to admit I haven't thought about this much.
Oh and he mentions, did we find the audio, guys
from the two thousand and three that was twenty two
years ago? A Super Bowl commercial featuring was it Terry
Tait office linebacker or something like that?
Speaker 4 (22:15):
Do we have that?
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Oh? Okay, if you saw the commercial, you certainly remember
it now. Absolutely hilarious. They hired a linebacker to root
out inefficiency at their office. It's kind of like Doge,
except if you weren't doing your job right, he would
level you wearing his football gear.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Anyway, back to the threat of the thing. I thought
this was super interesting.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Turns out real NFL retirees who entered the business world
learned to make an impact in different ways. Quote Will Rackley,
a former offensive lineman for the Jaguars and Ravens. He's
a couple of months into a job as a business
operations analyst at the staffing firm Atrium.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
He said it can be.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
A culture shock when stepping into a corporate setting as
opposed to the locker room. But manager after manager was
telling Callum borchers that they struggle to recruit people who
can take and deliver candid feedback, especially these days.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
We've all heard stories of.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
The snowflakes and the gen Zers and millennials and gen
zers especially who if you say, you know that report
wasn't quite up to snuff, they will break down.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Oh my god, you're crutching my spirit. I need a
spirit day. I need a mental health day.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
They have trouble with people that can deliver the candid feedback.
Though you smell funny, everybody's talking about it. No, not
that sort of candid about job performance.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Specifically a lot of people, particularly given the first thing
I was talking about. People who can't take candid feedback
are extremely uncomfortable giving it.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
You got to stop eating with your mouth open. You're
gonna make somebody kill you. Wow.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
No, we're talking about business perform ormance again. But former
Gridiron pro accustomed to coaches who yell, cuss, and call
out mistakes in post game film sessions every week of
their careers, is not likely to will to under a
little constructive criticism.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
That's funny.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
My son just said, this is his first real sport.
I think he's playing volleyball.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
He said.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
The coach is yelling at me all the time.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
I said, that's what coaches do, yes, good or bad,
no matter what's happening.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
The coaches yell at you. That's the way it works.
This is the candid feedback we're discussing.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
And while there are some truth to the cliche that
athletes can bring winning mindsets to business, it is actually
their ability to handle losing that stands out. According to
Bosses and the former NFL players were talking about, are
like the vast majority you leave the game, not hall
of famers with set for life money. They are often
men who are pushed out of the game by injuries
or a younger, cheaper draft pick who could play about
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as well.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Say, which is almost everybody gets in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Right, Oh yeah, yeah, vast majority they've dealt with disappointment
and regrouped, said an associate director of non traditional talent
programs at Verizon Quote. The ability to pick yourself up
and get back into the game is really what business
is all about, and he's found these guys to be
much more resilient. I don't they understand, Wow, that went badly,
What can we learn?
Speaker 3 (25:17):
I don't doubt that that should be focused on more
for all professional athletes. The vast majority of them.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Even if you've reached your dreams, made it to that league,
you're gonna make a little money and be there a
couple of years, and then you're gonna go back to
regular life and you're gonna be twenty five years old, right,
And that would be an interesting mindset. I was good
enough to play in that league. I worked my ass
off ten hours a day, like my whole life. But
that's over now and I'm only twenty five, and I
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gotta do something different, right. But I think the other
aspects of it, because that's important, though, But the idea
of somebody, well, they make another point. NFL players are
completely unfazed by the arduous process of interviewing for white
collar jobs and or preparing for presentations and interviews and
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stuff like that. It's what they've done their whole lives.
It's a different skill set that they're preparing for. But
the idea of we're gonna have to go really really
hard to get rid or get ready for this one
particular meeting or something. They're completely in that mode. So
I thought that was interesting. It also reminds me of
the New York Times. There's a great piece they did. Yeah,
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I know, when they're not completely biased, they do really
good journalism once in a while. That the single most
important characteristic for a child to predict their success in
life is resilience. Can they are they afraid of failure?
Or do they understand ad happens sometime. Let's plunge on
number one predictor. And I could see why NFL players
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would be really good at that show.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
Who was I talking to the other day that had
a meeting with their corporate person?
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Who would I have been talking to? I don't talk
to anyone anyway.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
Uh, they met with their corporate CEO for a major
corporation and they were having a discussion about AI, and
I said, what was the gist of it? And the
gist of it was, We're not going to need any
of you anymore. Who in this gets rolling? And we've
all heard this sort of stuff. If you're paying attention
to AI at all, that all kinds of different jobs
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will go by the wayside. And a lot of the
jobs that were the most sure thing in our economy
are the ones that are going to be going first.
So that has everybody concerned. But we're not there yet.
AI search engines cite incorrect sources at an alarming sixty rate.
(27:55):
A new study shows so a lot of people like me.
When you google something, you're going with the AI version
at the top of the list for the answer and
thinking it's probably close enough.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
It might not be that close.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
AI models incorrectly answered more than sixty percent of queries
about news sources. They have a tendency too, and this
has been an ongoing problem with AI.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Make stuff up. AI is like your five year old.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
It just makes stuff up, and you have to realize
that if your five year old comes in and says,
you know, a kid named Jimmy down the street punched me.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Maybe that happened. Maybe there is no Jimmy. They just
said that for who knows what reason.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
That's the way. That's the way AI is. It just
makes stuff up. But sixty percent is that what you said? Yes,
hang on a second, let me use my chet cheept jack.
That's almost top.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
They ran sixteen hundred qureries across eight different generative search
tools and came up with that sixty percent number. Surprisingly,
premium paid versions of these AI search tools fair to
even worse than certain respects Perplexity Pro, which is twenty
dollars a month, and groc three that's Elon's Thing, which
is forty dollars a month confidently delivered incorrect responses more
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often than their free counterparts. For some reason, this is
around the news stuff, so you pay for less accuracy. Yeah,
all right, again, around news stuff. I don't know if, like,
for instance, Groc's claiming it's good at that. Mostly what
I see on GROC is its ability to I don't know,
create music videos or pictures or or hot chicks in
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a cowboy hat if that's what you want, or something
like that. These AI systems seem to be really good
at that. But in terms of so they would ask
various questions about news stories, and GROC might give you
a source that wasn't the source, or make one up,
or create a link to the information that doesn't exist.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
It would just make up a link and they don't
see no, and they don't It seemed to be well,
I'm unashamed.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
They know that they don't know why AI does this, right,
and as we've said before, they're not exactly sure if
it's fixable. But a I ain't gonna take over the
world if they can't figure that out.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
I just I don't see.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
How that happened, right, right, It could absolutely take over
a significant number of professions, sure that are fairly limited
in scope. There's a great piece in the journal about
how high school and college students especially are using AI
to cheat always everywhere, all the time. Not every kid, certainly,
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but man, they go into all the different ways. They
tell the story of a seventeen year old girl in
New Jersey. He uses it all the time. She's only
been busted once. Yeah, here we go. She turned to
open IA's open ais chat GPT in Google's Gemini to
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help spawn ideas and review concepts, which many teachers allow
more often. Though AI completed her work, she solved math
homework problems and ace to take home test chat GPT did.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
I got a message for this kid, You're only hurting yourself.
That is both true and hilarious. Let's see chat GPT
did calculations for a science lab. It produced a tricky
section of a history term paper, which she rewrote to
avoid detection. And again, though she used it in virtually
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every class, she only got busted once.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
The math thing, hm, that's a tough one because you
problem not probably, I'm sure this is true. I'm sure
you can have AI even show the work, and you
could just write down the work.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
The whole show your work thing, right.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
So, but I was wondering about so if I'm writing
a paper, this would save a lot of time. And
there's no way you'd ever bust me on this. This
is just where we are in the modern world. Hey, Groc,
I need a founding father saying something about the importance
of borders and it finds me one and I don't
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have to dig through twelve old timey books and go
to the index and read paragraphs. It's just right there.
I mean that would be kind of cheating. It's certainly
easier than it used to be.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
But yes, and there's absolutely a loss to the like
the indirect educational process because like it or not, as
you're looking for A you'll also learn B and C.
It's practically unavoidable.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
And how could they stop you from running, you know,
having AI read over your paragraph and you know, make
it a little better and or just summarize everything very briefly.
I mean, my daughter's in law school, for instance, and
a big part of it is you read just reams
of information, then you outline it, you candense it. You
you know, boil the concert or the actual you know,
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the things that happen in the case down to the concept. Still,
you need to remember boil us down for me. I'll
be at the bar at Saint Patrick's day.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Right exactly.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
And one more aspect of this problem, especially with academia,
is that the companies that make these tools are not
so keen on distributing the tools to identify when somebody
is using it to cheat, because students are their big
customer base. Well, so they hem and haw about we
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would like to release that to you.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
But it's oh, that's interesting right there. So I'm not
trying to be anti intellectual, but people have been saying
this since I was a kid, when computers, when calculators
first came out. What's the point of me learning this
as long as there's a calculator.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Well that's really true now, I mean, every if every
Homo sapient in America over the age of five is
carrying a computer that can do all of this math work,
is there.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
A value in learning how to do it by hand?
In case you're on a desert island. There's something I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
Yes, there almost certainly is. A neurologist could probably explain
it to you that you have a bedrock understanding of
what you're doing and it helps you in some way
that I as a politics guy, I can't really describe
to you if I think you lose something.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
But I also think that's the modern world to a large.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
If GROC or something is going to write everything, it's
going to write your legal briefs, it's going to write
up your business proposal. If it's going to write everything,
is there a reason to learn to write?
Speaker 2 (34:41):
This is well? Wow, wow, that's that's insane.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
And I mean not just to be like a successful
almost sapien. I mean well, I do mean, I mean
to be a financially like to make it in the world.
You just need to know how to run groc. Don't
you to be better at that?
Speaker 4 (34:56):
Uh? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (34:56):
You need to write well enough to write what you
want and tell the comp Final note John B. King,
a chancellor of the State University of New York system
former Education secretary, sent at a conference in October, quote,
there are probably lots of students K through twelve and
higher ed who used chet GPT to do their homework
last night without learning anything.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
That's scary.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
They weren't learning anything in many cases before AI, so
that's a problem.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Also, this is discouraging all the way around. I'm checking
out of the modern world. I'm telling you starting some
sort of weird fundamentalist. You know, society tired of being
in a good mood.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
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We try to bring you the truth and help you
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Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George
Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong, Joe, Katty.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Armstrong, and Jetty and He Armstrong and Getty Strong and
so Chuck Schumer was on the view.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Yet he's making the rounds because he's got this book out,
which I actually heard a little bit about it. I'm
glad he wrote it, and it's kind of interesting. He's
worried about the rise of anti Semitism in the United States,
including in his own party among your college kids.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
And he's out talking about it. So that's kind of cool.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Chuck Schumer is an ancient Democratic Senator from New York
who has been majority leader in the senat a various times.
Now he's the minority leader. He is the king of
the Senate on the Democrat side. So he got some
blowback last week because he went along with the Republican
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legislation that kept the government open and the aocs of
the world that wing Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, those people
wanted to shut down the government. Chuck Schumer said there
was no win in it, and Nancy Pelosi yesterday said
she kind of hit him with a little uh. She
(01:24):
still supports him, but I don't believe in giving something
away for nothing. She said after that, in that Chuck
went along with it but didn't get anything, which is true.
Nancy Pelosi was good at that. Trump's good at that.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
If you're going to get something from me, I'm gonna
get something from you.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Always. If only they knew what they wanted. Really, maybe
that's a problem. They're so scattered anyway, I didn't mean
to talk about that. So he's on the view and
he said something that really bothered me.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
So we'll start here the Republican Party.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait
wait wait. I don't want that yet. Where we were going
to start with, remember Jerry Brown to start here. This
goes back to the governor of California few years back.
Four term governor. He was the youngest governor of California
for two terms. That he was the oldest governor in
California for two terms. He did date a young Linda Ronstadt,
which is a featheries cap.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Mmm. You can't take that away from aw.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Yeah, but he once said this about the way economics works.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
I guess those.
Speaker 5 (02:25):
Who have been blessed the most, who have disproportionately extracted
by whatever skill, more and more from the national wealth.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
They're going to have to share more of that. It's
on the idea of paying taxes that those who have.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Disproportionately extracted from the economy more from the national wealth.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
From the national wealth.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
So success is taking money from the nation. It's not
creating jobs and money and products and greater wealth for everyone. No,
it's a limited pie. And you took more than your
share by building a successful business.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Well, and it's not yours, it's the nations and the
steward of that money is the government, which we get
to here with Juck Schumer on the view when he
said this yesterday.
Speaker 5 (03:18):
The Republican Party is a different kettle of fish than
it used to be, and that's why we're fighting them
so hard. They are controlled by a small group of wealthy,
greedy people. And you know what their attitude is. I
made my money all by myself. How dare your government
take my money from me. I don't want to pay taxes,
or I built my company with my bare hands. How
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dare your government tell me how I should treat my customers,
the land and water that I own, or my employees.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
They hate governments.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
Government's a barrier to people, a barrier to stop them
from doing things they want to destroy it.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
We are not letting them do it, and we're united.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
So again that in there.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
These greedy people who make money who want to keep
more of their money. Their attitude is, I made my
money all by myself. How dare your government take my
money from me?
Speaker 4 (04:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Well summarized, and so that's an interesting philosophical breakdown. I know,
I know people personally who believe that and think that way.
That you're out there going to work making money, I
guess for the government. It runs through the government, and
then you get to keep some of it.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
But it's the government's.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Money to spend on, you know, good things that make
everybody better, happier, or something like it.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
And other people will, through the government, take your money
from you as much as they decide is proper, and
they will let you keep some of it. Perhaps, as
the great Thomas Soul said so famously, I have never
understood why it is greed to want to keep the
money you have earned, but not greed to want to
take someone else's mind.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
I found that absolutely fascinating. I mean, that is some
big time philosophical disagreement on the structure of society.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Yes, and I would love to reduce our politics now
and again, maybe we can have one week a year
where we have learned, folks of you know, each side's
choosing debate in front of the nation, the notion of
either a what you earn is yours. Now we the
people ask you for a little bit of it to
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help run the country.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Rhodes Police Army, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
But indeed we have past laws saying the government gets
a little bit of it to run itself, versus the
folks who say, no, the government gets all of it.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
If we decide to take.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
All of it, it's not your money at all, it
never has been. That goes back and then I would
love then in the follow up a part my side
would would say, well, then why the hell would anybody
bust their ass to build a business if y'all are
going to take it all or half of it, which
is why socialism doesn't work.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Should have dug up the Barack Obama clip, the famous
one that he got beat up for a fair amount.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
By anybody on the right. Anyway, you didn't build that.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
It's the idea that government has put in place a
structure for you to go out and be successful, and
so you owe that money to the government because they
put all this together for you to be successful. The
government is the reason you're successful. That's what Chuck Schumer's saying.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Building a business with five hundred employees, it's like falling
off a log thanks to the government.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
So we get most of it.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
I mean, he used his mocking voice when he said,
I made my money all by myself. How dare your
government take my money from me? Okay, I'll say the
same thing in my regular voe. I made my money
all by myself. How dare the freaking government take it
from me? There, I said it without the mocking voice,
because that's what I actually believe.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
I understand how a leech on the public like Chuck Schumer,
who like you know, Joe Biden or a thousand other
politicians on both sides of the aisle, have made their
wealth and their power purely from draining the vital fluids
of the American people. How actual production is foreign to them.
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I'd love to have Mark Wayne Mullen talk to Chuck
Schumer about that. Mark Wayne Mullen, who built a He
was a plumber, he built a plumbing contracting business in Oklahoma,
became he's a senator now from Oklahoma. If you don't
know Mark Wayne, talk to him at the RNC. It
was great fun and very interesting. But have him discussed
with Chuck Schumer what it takes to build a business
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as a to just you know, again, being a parasite
on the height of the American people.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
That's something I mean that that I find that highly
troubling that that attitude even exists out there.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Let alone could win the day.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Well, yeah, the fact that Chuck Schumer promotes it is
not that shocking to me. The fact that tens of millions,
one hundred and fifty million Americans think the same way.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Now that bothers me.
Speaker 5 (08:26):
I made my money all by myself. How dare your
government take my money from me.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
I don't want to pay taxes.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
You don't have to use the cartoonish voice. That's what
I actually believe, me and me and lots.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Of people, and I think virtually nobody says I don't
want to have to pay taxes. No, I don't want
to have to pay excessive taxes that are purely a
redistribution of wealth to gain you power, because I know
with one hundred percent certainty that's what you do. You
make moral arguments and compassionate arguments to get giant gobs
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of money to enhance your own power and influence.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
First of all, if you keep your money. Sometimes people
do things that are really good for society, you know,
build a rocket company or charity or whatever it is.
But what if you just go out and buy expensive
houses and cars if you're super wealthy for whatever reason.
It's Kensian when the government spreads money around because it's
just good spending money. But if an individual spends money,
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it's not Kensian and not good for the economy. Is
fine with me, signed.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Everybody who worked on building that house end or car
end or services it or fixes that house or whatever,
or its restaurant and has employees. My final note on
this topic will be something I've said many times through
the years and will continue to if you will allow me.
You good people, imagine a charity that can feed, clothes, house, medicate,
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and educate.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Thousands of children. Thousands of children.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
That charity is called a business with employees who get
pay and benefits. You have accomplished all those things I
described by starting a successful business.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
They don't see it that way. On the left, I
made my.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
Money all by myself. How dare your government take my
money from me? I don't want to pay taxes?
Speaker 1 (10:25):
True, that is true if this were not being broadcast live.
I have a simple two word response that rhymes with
duck whom.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
The armstrong and getting shadows.
Speaker 6 (10:41):
So when you think about these businesses and a one
hundred and five percent therapy put on them.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
It's untenable for them.
Speaker 6 (10:48):
They don't have the cash flow, they don't have the
access to capital, and it's basically locking up.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Production in the toy industry.
Speaker 6 (10:56):
No toys are currently being produced in China, and they're
all reports that major retailers here in the US are
starting to actually cancel orders.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
So so Christmas is at risk.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
That's some economic expert on CNN yesterday on the lead,
Christmas is at risk. Toy companies can handle one hundred
and forty five percent tariff. At some point the rubber
is going to meet the road on this isn't it.
I mean we all were relieved, I guess to find
out iPhones aren't going to triple in price.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
But there is all that other.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Stuff right, you know, part of me he wants to
urge that guy to watch how the Grinch stole Christmas
Christmas and be reminded that it came. It came, It
came without boxes and bushels and bags the rest of it.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Yeah, Christmas, isn't it risk? But he was talking about
toy retailers, so I get that.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
You know, the ready fire aim nature of the tariffs
is I think going to be counterproductive, although I suspect
it's just going to lead to better trade deals. But
it was pointed out by some learned folks that if
you're a giant multinational conglomerate with lobbyists and perhaps a
tim cook who can pick up the phone and call
Donald Trump, you get a carve out. But all the
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mom and pop businesses, all the small manufacturers, they don't.
They're gonna be you know, put out of business, right
because they can't on shore their inputs fast enough bankrupt,
which is the main from the right big critique of
tariffs in general, that it ends up being I mean,
you're like creating a reason for people to get special
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treatment or do things to get special treatment.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Right, Yeah, it enriches the swamp.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
I was just texting with somebody who said they were
about to do something, it doesn't matter what, and I said,
you're brave, Gail King, brave. I wonder if that will
catch on as like, well, you're like Gail King brave
there congratulations.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Oh, speaking of economic occurrence and stuff like that, there's
a lot of talk of recession because of the tariffs.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
And all and how it shakes out. Nobody knows exactly.
We're not already be in one of many according to
many economists.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Well that's right, And I came across this from the
Wall Street Journal, which I thought was kind of a
good reminder what is a recession and how when will
we know if we are in one? Now, that common
rule of thumb is that two consecutive quarters of declining
griss product counts as a recession, the.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Last if it's during the Biden administration run, and that
doesn't run out.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
But the GDP is not the criterion used by the
National Bureau of Economic Research, which is the long standing
arbiter of US recessions among economists, government officials, policymakers, and
news organizations including the Wall Street Journal. The NBR recession
dates are determined by its prosaically named quote Business Cycle
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Dating Committee, a group of eight academic academic economists, some
of whom have been members of the committee for decades.
What I look for in order to make a recession
call this quote a significant decline in economic activity that
has spread across the economy and lasts more than a
few months.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Well, it's pretty employment wishy washy. Oh, it's very wishy washy. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
The main indicators they watch are on our employment, inflation
adjusted personal income, real consumer spending, real manufacturing and trade,
industry sales, and industrial production.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Well that's there's a democrat in office. Well, yeah, that's interesting.
So it's a little bit of like, that's just your opinion, man.
And I always remember a guy I knew ran his
own business. He was a very successful ange his own business.
And this was years ago, like mid two thousand and five.
I can remember and him saying we're in a recession.
And we weren't like officially in a recession, and he
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said we're in a recession. And I was like, wow,
that's interesting that you just said that out loud when
you know it hasn't been declared.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
And in this case, it ended up being declared. The
next quarter.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
He had already felt it, But I thought at the time, well,
even if it's not for the rest of the United States,
if it is for your industry here, that's all that
matters to you.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
So this is kind of a stupid term.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
It's kind of like we always talk about when they
give you a national real estate to statistics. What's the
point of that more homes were sold last year than
this year. Well that's I don't even know if that
number is useful to anybody, but it's certainly not useful
to your state, county, neighborhood or whatever.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Well, my only argument against that would be that if
your policies cause one those policies should be reviewed and criticized. Yeah,
so it helps to be able to say, in even
a semi concrete way, hey, this isn't working.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
It's hurting the economy. Right. But yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
But it's not what the media portrays it to be
some sort of all encompassing It's not a diagnosis with cancer.
It's just okay, things are not growing, economics or what's
going on.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
If your industry on the entire West Coast is suffering
because of something the weather or whatever, you're in a
recession every bit as much as if they declared a
national recession. Yeah, so, yeah, I'm not sure that term
means that much to me anymore. What you said makes sense.
And again they changed the definition of it or went
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with the specific definition of it when it applied to
Joe Biden, because by the definition we'd all been using
our entire adult lives, we were in a recession, and
they didn't want that to be true. Right, yep, what evs?
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Yeah, I know, and I've lived through I can't.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
Even tell you how many in my life, ten twelve,
I don't know, thirty, I don't even know, which is
part of my point. They come and go and we're
all fine, and you know, I don't want it to happen.
But it's not like the end of the world.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
Well right, And there have been upsides, Like I've gotten
used to the taste of human flesh. There's been so
much cannibal during the recessions.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Yeah, it's his old hat. For me, it's the other
white meat. As far as I'm concerned, Armstrong and Getty
show to arms Strong and Geddy on demand. We're not boring.
A lot of news is boring and tedious and depressing.
It makes you angry. You don't want to live your
life like that.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Hey, I'm Jack Armstrong, He's Joe Getty. We're Armstrong in Geeddy.
We try to bring you the truth and help you
figure out this crazy modern world.
Speaker 7 (17:25):
I know something about a comedic tone.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
We have a one arm Yes.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Listen to Armstrong You Getty on demand on the iHeartRadio app,
Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Jack Armstrong
and Joe Getty the Armstrong and Getty Show. I thought
this is interesting if you're new to the show. Jack
and I both have railed long and hard against critical
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theory and DEI.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
It's neo Marxism. We'll explain a little more about that.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
It masquerades quite successfully though, as we just want everybody
to get a fair shot in America, and a lot
of people think DEI actually is just we want more diversity,
We want people to be able to apply for jobs
and get them. No, everybody wants that DEI is in
in cities plot that masquerades as civil rights. Having said that,
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the headline the Journal America is abandoning DEI. The NFL
remains all in. Everyone from the federal government as a
fortune five hundred are dialing back diversity efforts DEI efforts,
but America's most popular sport is standing its ground.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
I'm not shocked by this. I don't like it.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
I don't like the fact that journalism regularly fudges the
difference between DEI, which is a specific thing, and diversity,
acting like they're the same thing.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
They don't know.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
I honestly believe the percentage of Americans who understand that
that DEI is part of critical theory comes from the
Frankfurt school of philosophy. It's a it's a method of
taking over institutions. Essentially, you call everybody a racist unless
they agree with you. Perhaps you went to a delightful
training session where this happened. And obviously, if you're a racist,
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according to the nice people who are running your DEI department,
you can't be in charge. And so they get rid
of you, and they bring in somebody who believes what
they do, which is neo Marxism, equity, et cetera. DEI
is Marxism. It's not diversity.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
That reminds me.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
I read a great piece yesterday on how Ibram X
Kennedy is one of the great sisters of all time.
Now that his run is over, I think, and to
shut down his anti racist institute.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
He got fifty.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Million dollars I think in.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Donations from companies. Never did anything. No, people are falling
all over themselves to give money. I'm not a racist.
Don't call me a racist. Don't call me a racist.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
And you remember, no matter how you intended what you said,
if I say you're a racist, you are a racist.
It's a method of capture, of taking over institutions. And
he and Robin DiAngelo and that whole ridiculous scam which
is still going on.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
They knew precisely what they're doing.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
But back to my main point, I think a lot
of people don't understand it. Yeah, I see even in
fairly conservative publications, I still see people talk about DEI
as if it's just an honest and open hearted desire
to have, you know, like a black kid have the
same opportunities in America as a white kid. Again, everybody
wants that DEI is not that anyway. Having said that,
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back to the journal thing, the NFL is a TV show.
Never forget that. It's an entertainment product from top to bottom.
It's not actually an effort to see which city has
the best forty guys to play football hired BMS. No,
it's a TV show, and it is an incredibly popular,
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profitable TV show, and a huge percentage of the cast
are young black men and are incredibly important to the
game and its popularity.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
I've noticed that, and given the fact.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
That most people don't understand what DEI really is and
what it is not, including young black men who run,
you know, receiving routes and get tackled hard and stay
in incredible physical condition and memorize playbooks that would boggle
the mind of an MIT physicist, that they don't spend
a lot of time acquainting themselves with the subtleties of
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sociological issues.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Is not shocking.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
So I get why Roger Goodell has said, no, we're
still up with diversity, up with DEI, We're continuing all
our programs. I get why he does that. It annoys me,
but I get it. I thought this was more interesting
and revealing. This is a piece written by Callum Borcher's
what happens when a former NFL player becomes your office coworker,
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And I've got to admit I haven't thought about this much.
Oh and he mentions, did we find the audio, guys
from the two thousand and three that was twenty two
years ago? A Super Bowl commercial featuring was it Terry
Tait office linebacker or something like that?
Speaker 4 (22:15):
Do we have that?
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Oh? Okay, if you saw the commercial, you certainly remember
it now. Absolutely hilarious. They hired a linebacker to root
out inefficiency at their office. It's kind of like Doge,
except if you weren't doing your job right, he would
level you wearing his football gear.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Anyway, back to the threat of the thing. I thought
this was super interesting.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Turns out real NFL retirees who entered the business world
learned to make an impact in different ways. Quote Will Rackley,
a former offensive lineman for the Jaguars and Ravens. He's
a couple of months into a job as a business
operations analyst at the staffing firm Atrium.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
He said it can be.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
A culture shock when stepping into a corporate setting as
opposed to the locker room. But manager after manager was
telling Callum borchers that they struggle to recruit people who
can take and deliver candid feedback, especially these days.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
We've all heard stories of.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
The snowflakes and the gen Zers and millennials and gen
zers especially who if you say, you know that report
wasn't quite up to snuff, they will break down.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Oh my god, you're crutching my spirit. I need a
spirit day. I need a mental health day.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
They have trouble with people that can deliver the candid feedback.
Though you smell funny, everybody's talking about it. No, not
that sort of candid about job performance.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Specifically a lot of people, particularly given the first thing
I was talking about. People who can't take candid feedback
are extremely uncomfortable giving it.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
You got to stop eating with your mouth open. You're
gonna make somebody kill you. Wow.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
No, we're talking about business perform ormance again. But former
Gridiron pro accustomed to coaches who yell, cuss, and call
out mistakes in post game film sessions every week of
their careers, is not likely to will to under a
little constructive criticism.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
That's funny.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
My son just said, this is his first real sport.
I think he's playing volleyball.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
He said.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
The coach is yelling at me all the time.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
I said, that's what coaches do, yes, good or bad,
no matter what's happening.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
The coaches yell at you. That's the way it works.
This is the candid feedback we're discussing.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
And while there are some truth to the cliche that
athletes can bring winning mindsets to business, it is actually
their ability to handle losing that stands out. According to
Bosses and the former NFL players were talking about, are
like the vast majority you leave the game, not hall
of famers with set for life money. They are often
men who are pushed out of the game by injuries
or a younger, cheaper draft pick who could play about
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as well.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Say, which is almost everybody gets in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Right, Oh yeah, yeah, vast majority they've dealt with disappointment
and regrouped, said an associate director of non traditional talent
programs at Verizon Quote. The ability to pick yourself up
and get back into the game is really what business
is all about, and he's found these guys to be
much more resilient. I don't they understand, Wow, that went badly,
What can we learn?
Speaker 3 (25:17):
I don't doubt that that should be focused on more
for all professional athletes. The vast majority of them.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Even if you've reached your dreams, made it to that league,
you're gonna make a little money and be there a
couple of years, and then you're gonna go back to
regular life and you're gonna be twenty five years old, right,
And that would be an interesting mindset. I was good
enough to play in that league. I worked my ass
off ten hours a day, like my whole life. But
that's over now and I'm only twenty five, and I
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gotta do something different, right. But I think the other
aspects of it, because that's important, though, But the idea
of somebody, well, they make another point. NFL players are
completely unfazed by the arduous process of interviewing for white
collar jobs and or preparing for presentations and interviews and
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stuff like that. It's what they've done their whole lives.
It's a different skill set that they're preparing for. But
the idea of we're gonna have to go really really
hard to get rid or get ready for this one
particular meeting or something. They're completely in that mode. So
I thought that was interesting. It also reminds me of
the New York Times. There's a great piece they did. Yeah,
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I know, when they're not completely biased, they do really
good journalism once in a while. That the single most
important characteristic for a child to predict their success in
life is resilience. Can they are they afraid of failure?
Or do they understand ad happens sometime. Let's plunge on
number one predictor. And I could see why NFL players
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would be really good at that show.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
Who was I talking to the other day that had
a meeting with their corporate person?
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Who would I have been talking to? I don't talk
to anyone anyway.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
Uh, they met with their corporate CEO for a major
corporation and they were having a discussion about AI, and
I said, what was the gist of it? And the
gist of it was, We're not going to need any
of you anymore. Who in this gets rolling? And we've
all heard this sort of stuff. If you're paying attention
to AI at all, that all kinds of different jobs
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will go by the wayside. And a lot of the
jobs that were the most sure thing in our economy
are the ones that are going to be going first.
So that has everybody concerned. But we're not there yet.
AI search engines cite incorrect sources at an alarming sixty rate.
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A new study shows so a lot of people like me.
When you google something, you're going with the AI version
at the top of the list for the answer and
thinking it's probably close enough.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
It might not be that close.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
AI models incorrectly answered more than sixty percent of queries
about news sources. They have a tendency too, and this
has been an ongoing problem with AI.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Make stuff up. AI is like your five year old.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
It just makes stuff up, and you have to realize
that if your five year old comes in and says,
you know, a kid named Jimmy down the street punched me.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Maybe that happened. Maybe there is no Jimmy. They just
said that for who knows what reason.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
That's the way. That's the way AI is. It just
makes stuff up. But sixty percent is that what you said? Yes,
hang on a second, let me use my chet cheept jack.
That's almost top.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
They ran sixteen hundred qureries across eight different generative search
tools and came up with that sixty percent number. Surprisingly,
premium paid versions of these AI search tools fair to
even worse than certain respects Perplexity Pro, which is twenty
dollars a month, and groc three that's Elon's Thing, which
is forty dollars a month confidently delivered incorrect responses more
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often than their free counterparts. For some reason, this is
around the news stuff, so you pay for less accuracy. Yeah,
all right, again, around news stuff. I don't know if, like,
for instance, Groc's claiming it's good at that. Mostly what
I see on GROC is its ability to I don't know,
create music videos or pictures or or hot chicks in
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a cowboy hat if that's what you want, or something
like that. These AI systems seem to be really good
at that. But in terms of so they would ask
various questions about news stories, and GROC might give you
a source that wasn't the source, or make one up,
or create a link to the information that doesn't exist.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
It would just make up a link and they don't
see no, and they don't It seemed to be well,
I'm unashamed.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
They know that they don't know why AI does this, right,
and as we've said before, they're not exactly sure if
it's fixable. But a I ain't gonna take over the
world if they can't figure that out.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
I just I don't see.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
How that happened, right, right, It could absolutely take over
a significant number of professions, sure that are fairly limited
in scope. There's a great piece in the journal about
how high school and college students especially are using AI
to cheat always everywhere, all the time. Not every kid, certainly,
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but man, they go into all the different ways. They
tell the story of a seventeen year old girl in
New Jersey. He uses it all the time. She's only
been busted once. Yeah, here we go. She turned to
open IA's open ais chat GPT in Google's Gemini to
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help spawn ideas and review concepts, which many teachers allow
more often. Though AI completed her work, she solved math
homework problems and ace to take home test chat GPT did.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
I got a message for this kid, You're only hurting yourself.
That is both true and hilarious. Let's see chat GPT
did calculations for a science lab. It produced a tricky
section of a history term paper, which she rewrote to
avoid detection. And again, though she used it in virtually
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every class, she only got busted once.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
The math thing, hm, that's a tough one because you
problem not probably, I'm sure this is true. I'm sure
you can have AI even show the work, and you
could just write down the work.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
The whole show your work thing, right.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
So, but I was wondering about so if I'm writing
a paper, this would save a lot of time. And
there's no way you'd ever bust me on this. This
is just where we are in the modern world. Hey, Groc,
I need a founding father saying something about the importance
of borders and it finds me one and I don't
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have to dig through twelve old timey books and go
to the index and read paragraphs. It's just right there.
I mean that would be kind of cheating. It's certainly
easier than it used to be.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
But yes, and there's absolutely a loss to the like
the indirect educational process because like it or not, as
you're looking for A you'll also learn B and C.
It's practically unavoidable.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
And how could they stop you from running, you know,
having AI read over your paragraph and you know, make
it a little better and or just summarize everything very briefly.
I mean, my daughter's in law school, for instance, and
a big part of it is you read just reams
of information, then you outline it, you candense it. You
you know, boil the concert or the actual you know,
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the things that happen in the case down to the concept. Still,
you need to remember boil us down for me. I'll
be at the bar at Saint Patrick's day.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Right exactly.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
And one more aspect of this problem, especially with academia,
is that the companies that make these tools are not
so keen on distributing the tools to identify when somebody
is using it to cheat, because students are their big
customer base. Well, so they hem and haw about we
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would like to release that to you.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
But it's oh, that's interesting right there. So I'm not
trying to be anti intellectual, but people have been saying
this since I was a kid, when computers, when calculators
first came out. What's the point of me learning this
as long as there's a calculator.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Well that's really true now, I mean, every if every
Homo sapient in America over the age of five is
carrying a computer that can do all of this math work,
is there.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
A value in learning how to do it by hand?
In case you're on a desert island. There's something I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
Yes, there almost certainly is. A neurologist could probably explain
it to you that you have a bedrock understanding of
what you're doing and it helps you in some way
that I as a politics guy, I can't really describe
to you if I think you lose something.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
But I also think that's the modern world to a large.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
If GROC or something is going to write everything, it's
going to write your legal briefs, it's going to write
up your business proposal. If it's going to write everything,
is there a reason to learn to write?
Speaker 2 (34:41):
This is well? Wow, wow, that's that's insane.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
And I mean not just to be like a successful
almost sapien. I mean well, I do mean, I mean
to be a financially like to make it in the world.
You just need to know how to run groc. Don't
you to be better at that?
Speaker 4 (34:56):
Uh? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (34:56):
You need to write well enough to write what you
want and tell the comp Final note John B. King,
a chancellor of the State University of New York system
former Education secretary, sent at a conference in October, quote,
there are probably lots of students K through twelve and
higher ed who used chet GPT to do their homework
last night without learning anything.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
That's scary.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
They weren't learning anything in many cases before AI, so
that's a problem.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Also, this is discouraging all the way around. I'm checking
out of the modern world. I'm telling you starting some
sort of weird fundamentalist. You know, society tired of being
in a good mood.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Tune in the Armstrong and Getty Show, I guess Strong.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
And Getty Show. When you will listen to arms Strong
in Geeddy on demand? We're not boring. A lot of
news is boring and tedious and depressing.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
It makes you angry. You don't want to live your
life like that. Hey, I'm Jack Armstrong.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
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Speaker 1 (35:55):
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