June 23, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 4 of A&G features...
- The US sends a message
- The new galaxy phone & Tesla's robotaxi
- Morality without faith & Iran bombs US base in Qatar
- Final Thoughts
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio the George
Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty. Armstrong and
Getty and he Armstrong and Getty.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Talk about the US military and how it really does
it stands this is this is not cheerleading on my part.
I think any any military person in the world would
say the same thing. The United States and its capabilities
and its power and in its discipline right now certainly
seems to be second to nine.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
It is, Joe, It's awesome.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
The power of the military, the power of the people
in the military is incredible. We can do anything we're
asked to do.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
The US military can do anything. I love how on
MSNBC they have to qualify it, you know, I don't
want to be too much of a cheer leader here.
Same show on Morning Joe Today, they had David Ignatius
of the Washington Post and he had to qualify his statement.
I don't want to be you know, I don't want
to be giving Trump too much credit here. But the
point of his article was this sent a message to
(01:17):
China and Russia that is going to back them off.
A fair amount of the United States sometimes does what
it's threatening and can do it really, really well, So
keep that in mind.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
Yeah, the whole narrative, well Trump always chickens out was
wildly overrated, the whole taco thing, But the question of
does he make blustery threats and doesn't really intend to
live up to him, that question was out there. I'd
say this changes the calculus significantly.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Well, and stopping Iran from getting a nuclear weapon is
a different topic than tariffs too, just completely different worlds.
A couple of things for you, Well, I do this first,
or this first before I get to the let's hear
from Mike Lions, and then we'll get to the breaking news.
It's not so breaking that I feel like I need
to get it on this second. We talked to Mike Lynes,
(02:05):
one of our favorite military analysts, this morning. He had
a couple of things to say. We thought we'd repeat.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Classic Iranian playbook. They sow fear within our country, saying
we're going to really sleeper cells. You know, they must
watch the same movies that made here in Hollywood, because
I just think that's completely overblown. They will likely try
to maybe target some American forces that are in the area,
that are close that are all that are all buttoned
up right now? Every one of those missiles they try
(02:31):
to fire at them has a return address, and I
guarantee it as soon as one of them leave the
tube on that side, there will be something in return
going in the other direction. This president is not going
to sit back and take and take it.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
So that's to the what could Iran do or will
they do something back as a you know, a response.
Fox News alert sources to Fox imminent threat of Iranians
Iranian strike on US You I'm going to learn to
install windows? How long would that take it this age?
Speaker 4 (03:04):
Hey, you got an apprentice for a few years, really
get it down. But you don't need to be able
to talk to do that, right, So maybe the good
morning of your your clients and.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Maybe that'd be a better job choice for you. Your coworkers.
Sources to Fox imminent threat of Iranian strike on US
base in Qatar. So they have some info on that.
We'll see if that's true or not. I've been wondering
what the Mullahs think they would get out of an
attack and what's their endgame. Mike Lions spoke to that
(03:36):
a little bit.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
There's no negotiation that's going to take place. They're not
interested in talking, They're interested in just surviving and delaying.
But they're in such a bad point strategically right now.
I just I just think they're going to do it.
I wouldn't be surprised if they get on planes and left.
I think that's gonna the only survival that the switzerlander
gets some other place, and that's the only thing. Wow,
sure they're survival at this point.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
I don't know that I want that.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
I thought it was notable that after the devastating American attacks,
the Iyatola came out with a blistering statement against Israel,
didn't even mention the Great Satan. Now was that a
faint Does he or the Republican Guard actually intend Revolutionary
Guard intend to go after the US directly? Boy, that
(04:20):
seems like a suicide mission to both of us. But
they might feel like they have to to have any legitimacy.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Man, I hadn't heard anybody other than Mike Lyons bring
up the idea of them. Maybe they jump on a
plane and do the whole dictator living out the rest
of their life somewhere else routine. But then there's nobody
running Iran and it could fall into you know, full
on Iraqi chaos.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
Right right, that's possible. The interesting question is who's a
greed head inside Iran and who's an actual religious fundamentalist
nut job, Because if you're the part of the latter group,
you're not going to take some sort of golden parachute
to live the rest of your life out in Monaco
or the UAE or whatever.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
No way, and we haven't mentioned this for a while,
just in case you don't know. So everybody supporting the
Trump administration went on all the talk shows yesterday and said,
this is not a war with Iran, and we're not
about regime change. We are not interested in regime change.
Regime change. No, if you say regime change again, I'm
gonna slap you because that's not our thing. And then Trump,
like after all those people went on the shows, tweet
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it out it's not politically correct to use the term
regime change. But if the current Iranian regime is unable
to make Iran great again, why wouldn't there be a
regime change Mega Miga make Iran great again.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
It's a great example of Trump not observing the rules
of diplomacy and standard presidential statements, and.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Sometimes I think that's a mistake.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
Sometimes I think, who doesn't think everybody wants the iatola
to go? Everybody wants him to go. He just set
it out loud. It's not that crazy. Well, that empowers
forces within Iran to claim that it's a US directed
blah blah blah. I don't know how true all that's
I'm not worried about that statement. Yeah, so speaking of
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the Revolutionary Guard, really interesting situation now. Israeli strikes have
taken out many of their senior personnel.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Yes, the latest MTG. I don't think you had this
in what you were reading earlier from Marjorie Taylor Green.
Only six months in and we're back into foreign wars.
It feels like a complete bait and switch to please
the neocons. Wow, from Marjorie Taylor Green and the Tucker crowd.
Open warfare with Trump seems like a bad idea. Yeah,
we can get back to that, man, if you will think,
(06:42):
if you won't, think you are maga and Trump is
just along for the ride. Well, I guess we're about
to find out. Yeah, we'll see how that goes.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
But anyway, so the Revolutionary Guard battered Supreme leader Iatola
Kamaneeses role depends to a large extent of loyalty from
the Guard. Quoting from the Journal, he has empowered the
military force to the extent it's likely to outlive him.
But if Kamanie were toppled or killed, the Revolutionary Guard
most likely to step in and dictate a new ruler
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and run the show. I just think these organizations are really,
really interesting and Americans can't relate to them at all.
Since its formation during the Great Brave Revolution in nineteen
seventy nine, the IRGC has been the most powerful branch
of Iran's armed forces, and it's separate from and more
powerful than the National Army. It has its own ground forces,
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its own navy, its own air force, its own intelligence
and special forces, totaling around one hundred and twenty five
thousand dollars. It is also deeply embedded in Iran's economic system,
political affairs, and social fabric. It has an expansive economic empire.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
The Guard dominates all major.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
Infrastruate ructure sectors, including oil and gas, construction, and telecommunications.
The Revolutionary Guard is there Exxon, it's their what's a
giant construction company, and they're at and t it's also
damn near their Amazon dot Com and their Walmart, and
they're separate even nominate tourism, and they're separate from the army. Yes,
(08:23):
But so my question would be, since Israel has killed
the leaders of the army and the leaders of the
Revolutionary Guard, do.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
We know how they would react the new leaders? No.
I mean, you can make educated guesses, but they did.
But they wouldn't have the cult of personality that you
usually have as a military leader when you're gonna take
over a country. No, that's absolutely correct.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
Although again, my point in describing this, and there's a
little more to it, but is that this is a
giant corporation. It is much more like than it is
the United States Army because it has its hands in
so many different industries and economic activities.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
So is your belief that they're motivated by money as
opposed to bringing back the thirteenth Madi or whatever of
that all stuff is? Yeah, that's the super interesting part
of it.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
It's difficult to say, I have a feeling you got
guys who are ninety ten greed heads versus religious fanatics
and guys who are ten ninety in the other direction.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
But if they're mostly just businessmen. They're like you know,
Putin or the oligarchs in Russia. Then we might be
okay with that, right, It'd be like lcc run in Egypt,
right exactly.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
Yeah, That's one of the reasons I was kind of
enthused about bringing this up is I think dealing with
the greed heads would be a great option for the
rest of the world because you can do business with them.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Now.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
Trump one of Trump's blind spots is I think this
less now, I guess than I used to.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
But he always thinks.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
The offer to make a lot of money and bring
prosperity to your people, whether it's Putin or the Ietola
or whatever, he thinks that's irresistible because that's how he
sees the world. And Putin's like, no, I'm going to
restore the Great Russian Empire and I'm going to be
Peter the Great, So thanks anyway. And the Mullas obviously
are like, no, it's all about Allah and and I
(10:26):
don't need money really. On the other hand, the Revolutionary
Guard guys, a lot of the higher ups, they're great heads,
they're mobsters, they're business people, and I think you probably
could deal with them, maybe.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Got a little tip for you, based on recent major
news events about how you should take in news. If
you're doing it the old way. If you hear something's
happening and you flip on CNN, man, you are way
behind and ain't the way to do it. Plus you
got to look at wolf Blitzer. I want to suspend
their Saturday evening looking at wolf Blitzer, not even missus Blitzer.
(11:07):
Thats mean spirited. That and other stuff on the way.
Stay here. So a couple of different things for you.
Changing times. You gotta change your You gotta adjust your
sales for the changing times. Man, have you ever seriously
considered you're an iPhone guy? I'm an iPhone guy. Have
you ever seriously considered abandoning the iPhone for one of
(11:28):
the other smartphones? Not seriously. I looked into it once.
I've never seriously done it, just because it seems like
could be in a tremendous pain in the ass because
I got everything tied into Apple. Although our friend Craig
did it and he squears by it. He is he
a Samsung guy. Yes, yeah, but he likes the phone
better and says it wasn't that hard. And they've got
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to wait yes, Katie opinion on this. Oh, I'm the
complete opposite. I switched for a year, and I'll that
was a huge mistake. Oh really, would you switch to
Samsung Note? Okay? And you didn't dig it and you
went back. And I just came across this, And this
is from a consultant person who doesn't seem to have
(12:09):
a dog in this fight. But they said, Samsung just
ended the iPhone era. The Galaxy S twenty five AI
is five years ahead of where Apple is currently and
they aren't gonna catch up in terms of their AI
abilities anyway. I was looking at some of the examples
of things you can do with pictures, video, and voice
on the phone with their AI, and it looks pretty
damned impressive. I'm not gonna switch. I just it just
(12:30):
seems like a pain in the ass and I'm perfectly
happy with what I got. But yeah, any examples that
leap out, Well, you know that thing that you hate
but I enjoy is the turning into everything into babies talking, Oh, well,
you can do that on your phone easily. And it
was just to demonstrate the being able to assign voices
(12:51):
to videos or edit audio inside of videos that you
take and then blah blah blah these different things that
they said is super easy to do, you can't currently
do it.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
I could see if you're part of the hardcore, especially
young social media crowd, that'd be really attractive.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
I don't have the time, but right, yeah, but that'll
be interesting to see if Samsung is way ahead in
the whole AI in the phone thing, as I've become
such a chat GPT guy as opposed to Google. Now
again to the changing times, we got a new robotaxi
ladies and germs. Tesla announced over the weekend. Robotaxis are here,
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the Tesla robo taxi. They're launched them in Austin, where
Elon lives. This would be to compete with Waimo, completely
autonomous out there driving around on their own Tesla's and
their stock is up ten percent on that news today,
So we'll see how good they are or not. I
don't know.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
So rioters can surround Tesla's and set them on fire.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Yeah, I don't know how often that's going to happen,
if that's a big deal or not. I don't have
any idea. And then I came across this. I was
going to mention today about how if you're not going
to Twitter, or maybe you have a different social media
thing you go to Instagram or something. I don't know,
(14:11):
for when news breaks, you're just you so far behind.
I was kind of monitoring cable news while I was
doing Twitter as news came out that we had bombed
around and cable news was so far behind. And I
don't mean just like sixty seconds or five minutes. It's
like you took like an hour later before they would
bring you the news. You were reading on Twitter from
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a whole bunch of different sources. And if you care
about breaking news and big stories, that's the way to go.
And then I saw this from Barry Weiss, who we
really like, who's over at the Free Press, because somebody
had tweeted out with all the resources CBS, NBC, ABC,
CNN have to report in quote breaking news, I turned
to the FP live stream, the Free Press live stream
(14:55):
Saturday to night to get in depth analysis immediately, way
ahead of all those channels. Barry White said, thank you.
I'm so proud of the FP team. So I hadn't
even looked into that, But there are much better sources
for breaking news out there than the old cable news
if I was the old cable news, I don't know
why you don't just like, have somebody read from Twitter
(15:16):
on there better off if you had Anderson Cooper flipping
through Twitter and reading tweets, then whatever CNN reporting they.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
Have, Yeah, that would that would kind of put a
fine point on it, though, I think that would illustrate.
You know, why would I have Anderson Cooper read it
to me?
Speaker 1 (15:34):
I can read, so you learned when I was a
little kid. So you think MSNBC and CNN they're just
holding on to the fact that their old viewers haven't
caught on to the fact that they can get all
this an hour earlier and from better sources somewhere else.
Ding for what.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
It's worth, the I heard that Free Press live stream
later and it was it was unbelievably good.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
Really, I've got a JAP on that Next Time Experts
on Tehran and Italy, Italy.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
Israel and warfare and stuff up at three o'clock in
the morning where they were talking about it in depth.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
It was really really good.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
I mean, you gotta be really into it to enjoy
it because it was in depth, but it was very,
very impressive.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
There is a YouTube channel our boss turned us on
to where a guy basically does sit there and scroll
through Twitter and just give you all the latest stuff.
And he's pretty good at which Twitter sites to go to.
But that's where news breaks. If there's a shooting or
anything happens, a protests in La you go on Twitter,
you will get more news. You'll get videos that they
won't have till the next day on your cable news channels.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
Yeah, la boo boos are everything that's wrong with America.
I'm not sure we'll have time to get to that today.
By tomorrow, la boo boos. So it's creepy looking freaky dolls.
The deep are all hot to trot for that made
the dumb cup looks smart.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Somehow I missed the labooboo trend. Okay, you'll have to
bring me up speed on that.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
But Jack, you were hot to trot to discuss the uh.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Friends have morality?
Speaker 4 (17:12):
No?
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Can you have morality without faith? Discussion Strong and.
Speaker 5 (17:16):
Getty, what was the celebration like when you guys got
to the locker room, Because we when we got there,
there wasn't threwn't.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Bottles being put up like you normally see.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
Do we miss that?
Speaker 5 (17:26):
And how much. I mean, first of all, none of
us knew how to do it, so so it was
more like, you know, like it was like YouTube tutorials
and so we were just asking Ac how to do it,
and so it was it was a kind of not
really instanc because no one know.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
How to do it.
Speaker 5 (17:42):
But yeah, shout out to AC for kind of teaching
us how to woo champagne. I guess.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
So that's one of the young players of the Oklahoma
City Thunder, very young team and uh, the younger generation
that doesn't drink much or doesn't drink that they had
all the champagne bottles in there for the big pop
in the court spray and celebration. None of the young
players knew how to open a bottle of champaigne.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
So well, let's best they held off till somebody who
knew what they were doing was on hand. You can
lose an eye that way, Jack, Yeah, they're the youngest
team in.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
The NBA, the champions. Maybe they needed a bunch of
eight pens or something. Yeah, no, kidding, marijuanas to smoke.
I think the kids do.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
Brought this up briefly at the beginning of the show,
and Jack expressed interest in following up on it. Frequent
correspondent Pawlow talking about the question.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Of morality without faith.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
That sort of thing I believe I quoted Tokeville maybe
was the freedom ofving quote of the day. In fact,
they probably should have dug it up that you can't
have liberty without morality and you can't have morality without faith.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
The first one is true, the second one is an
open question. Yeah, and Poolo said, I think you absolutely can.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
Morality is a set of beliefs about how we behave
that lead to the best possible outcome for humanity. Can
be a constitutional framework governing human behavior. For instance, faith
is a mode of belief that makes the belief immutable.
Faith can support morality, promote adherence to it. It can
also promote the dogma of Iranian theocrats, can mean the faithful.
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It can make the faithful immune to logic and reason,
and that's scary.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Well, I've never particularly liked the argument against religion that
because sometimes it's used poorly, then it's all bad. I've
never bought that argument, and sometimes it is used very poorly.
As we all know, lots of quotes from the Founding
fathers about how this whole thing doesn't work unless we're
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a moral people. Practically everybody was religious back in the day.
The question of do you need to be religious to
be moral, while it seems like it should be, you
wouldn't need to be ever been done before. I mean,
it's kind of kind of a new concept, fairly new,
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like you know, last half century or something. Europe's trying it, but.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
Right, well, and layer that experiment on top of the
layer of the experiment of multiculturalism and not like multi
ethnicity or multi you know, huge skins, just literally completely
different worldviews, cultural views. Trying to establish a secular morality
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in that situation is really really hard.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Yeah what what well we won't find out for decades,
maybe a century or more. To find out is if
you have to have the underpinning of a culture that
had religion through and through forever, Yes, and then we've
got this morality hangover even as belief in God maybe
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disappears or church going disappears. The cultural norm of you know,
not lying that stealing now whatever has hung around, will
that continue to hang around without the underpinning of religion.
Nobody knows that to claim you know that, I don't
know what you're basing that on.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
Wow, that's an interesting point, kind of a cultural half
life of Christian values. Yeah, well, and it is. And
I use the term Christian informedly or intentionally. You there
are very very, very different moral precepts to each of
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the world's major religions, although Jadaism and Christianity are very
very close in a lot of ways. And I would
argue that, you know, his citing the molahs in Ran
for instances, that's almost a different topic because the concept
of what is morality in Islam is very very different
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than Christianity, practically unrecognizable in a lot of ways.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
And so.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
I don't know where we go from here, honestly, because
it is like the question of organizing society. Without what
you were describing, Jack, a general agreement on moral principles.
The only thing you can go to, as Paolo pointed out,
was like a constitutional framework governing human behavior. Well, I
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would suggest Polo that it would have to be much
much more widespread and specific than that. It would have
to be something approaching totalitarianism, because there would be no
common moral precepts that would make laws X, Y, and
Z completely unnecessary anyway, or at least not necessary very often,
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because nobody would do that except if they've lost their mind.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Where do most people's moral compasses come from the Bible?
Maybe I went to Sunday School and church as a kid,
so maybe it's that. I think it's probably more more
that my parents just told me repeatedly as a kid
that stealing is wrong, So you know you do, and
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you just get that into your head and he's like,
what I do not not steal? How many negatives is that?
Where did I end up with tracking with you? Because
I think I'm going to be punished by God. It
doesn't even cross my mind a punishment from God. I
just to me, it's just simple that society would break
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down if we all just stole. So I don't you
shouldn't it. I don't want my kids do. It'd just
be the end of society if we did.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
Well, it's somebody else's work from them, right, You've denied
them the fruits of their labor, which is disgusting.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Have you ever known anybody that didn't have that moral compass.
I've known several and it's always just so mind boggling
to me. I had a boss one time, gladys if
you could tell me I had this boss. He actually
was the owner of this night club that I worked at,
and I remember the topic came up. Somebody left assigned
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government refund check. I don't know exactly what it was,
but it was in a situation where like, if you
had it, you could have taken the bank and cashed it.
Somebody left it behind, and then somebody returned it to
the original person because their name was on the check.
And he couldn't understand why anybody would do that. It
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just didn't make any sense to him whatsoever. Well, he
left it behind, that's you know, finders, keepers, losers, weepers.
That's his problem, not mine. It just didn't make any
sense to him whatsoever that you wouldn't take it because
you could, which blew my mind.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
But I mean, sociopathya think are just kind of from
a tougher life.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
And he wasn't. Forget to get your He wasn't from
a tough life at all. They were hardcore businessmen, all
of them wealthy. His family was wealthy, and he and
his brothers were wealthy. They were all wealthy. But it
was a very I'm going to get killed for this,
I think Trumpian way of looking at the world of
just No, it's just a it's a constant battle over,
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you know, I got over. You should have hung on
to your stuff, yeah, Or you should have made a
better business deal, or you should have thought of that
before I did this. I win, you lose. That's the
way life is, you know.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
I'm always going on about how a lot of politicians
and a lot of people ignore the fact that post
World War Two America was a thing that will never
exist again. It was a situation that will never exist again,
or at least not very close. Europe decimated, a lot
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of Asia still living in huts, except for Japan, which
was decimated and under our thumb, and we had a
virtual monopoly on advanced manufacturing and global trade, shipping in
the restaurant, and that standard of living in that lifestyle
became the norm, even though the situation that gave birth
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to it was completely not the norm and never would
be again. Well, I think we have a similar thing
going on culturally that nobody wants to talk about, and
I will talk about it right now. We are coming
out of a period of cultural homogenitity.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
We are homogeneous as a culture.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
Judeo Christian principles European principles and particularly dominated by the
principles of the United Kingdom, were such a thick vein
of what we were as a people that everybody just
assumed that was so. And there's certainly spice around the
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edges of different cultures and people and perspectives, but we
had such a thick vein of Judeo Christian Magna Carta,
English common law declaration of independent principles. It made everything way,
way easier. Not that it was easy. I mean, there's
plenty of terrible things that went on, but that is gone.
Now it is gone. We are truly becoming multi cultural
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in a way that will be extremely difficult to manage.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Yeah, And I was just thinking of people I've known
that don't have that moral compass, at least that kind
of moral compass. Like the examples I'm thinking of, they
weren't gonna they weren't gonna rape or kill or anything
like that that certainly financially they were willing. You know,
it's just if I can, I should, and you should too.
And it's whoever wins wins. I've known several successful business
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people like that.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
Well, and there are several very very important countries where
that is the cultural norm to cheat somebody successfully is
not looked upon as being despicable. It's looked upon as
the same as winning a tennis match.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Yeah you were better. Yeah. Yeah. The people I've known
that were like, I was better than you, and you
should be better next time, which is interesting. Most vast
majority of business people have known have not been that way,
but I have known several, and then I've also known
just like losers who can't get anywhere of life, who
believe that because they're just yeah, amoral.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
I don't want to get angry letters and have to
get dragged into a meeting. Lord knows at this point,
but yeah, a fellow who is an immigrant to the
United States from a particular land which may or may
not be in the news pretty frequently, was it in
that whole country? No, well, it kind of is now,
but it shouldn't be anyway. He was explaining to me
the cultural norms of getting over on somebody in business,
(28:43):
and how the deception was not looked upon his fraud.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
It's looked upon his cleverness.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
It's one of the tools you exercise in a way
that is would be extremely unfamiliar to most Americans. In fact, hell,
we've got that, you know, thousands of pages of legal
codes saying you'll go to jail if you do that.
Not there, it's normal. I heard another giant economy being
(29:10):
described by somebody who had lived and worked all over
the world, had quite an auspicious career. He described that
large economy is a nation of thieves.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Huh. So, getting back to the original question, do you
need to have the faith to get the morality which
is required for us to succeed? I don't know, but
nobody's run this experiment as far as I know.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
All Right, captain metaphor, this is my final thought. Here's
your metaphor. The answer is faith to morality to order
is a lot like water to the soil that you're
growing your lawn in. For instance, when you cut off
the water of coherent religious belief, like the Judeo Christian principles,
(30:02):
you cut that water off, the lawn will live for
a certain amount of time, but then it'll die.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Yeah. Well it's a two step process. We're going to
find out what a powerful metaphor.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
Iran breaking news, breaking news, Iran has attacked the US
basin cutter.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Oh really, let's come back with details on that. Holy cow,
I'm gonna go to Twitter not to see an end
to find out what's going on. Stay tuned. So what
was it? A couple of hours ago, Fox was reporting
that an attack on our military base in Qatar was imminent.
(30:41):
And then it turns out as this happened, makes you wonder,
does it not? What do you wonder? Well? For instance,
Axios reported Israel had detected UH missile launchers being moved
in Iran positioned it look like to attack our military base.
(31:06):
Is it possible? I think likely? Actually that Iran was, Hey,
moving our missile launchers just out in the open here
so everybody can see it, moving them here, pointing them
toward the Qatar, toward your empty military base. Here we go.
You're ready, just want to make sure you see this
coming so you can shoot them down. Here we go.
We watched our righteous vengeance. Here we go, striking a blow.
(31:28):
Now we're launching our missiles and you shut them down. Well,
I'll be darned anyway. We retaliated. We save face. See,
we aren't just gonna take it lying down. Everything good?
Here are we done? Now? Boy? You may not be right,
but I think you are does have that feel. Yeah,
(31:48):
now you remember, now we got everybody out of our
Katari military base, a bunch of our military bases. Last week.
We talked about that. But remember remember when Iran did
their face saving retaliation after Sulimani was killed and they
(32:09):
scrambled the brains of some of our soldiers. And Trump
downplayed it too. He did try to keep the peace
so that we wouldn't have to respond. But I didn't
think that was cool at all. No, no, indeed.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
But it's a different time, different situation. But and I
remember their face saving attack against Israel turned out to
be hundreds and hundreds of weapons and may well have
been partly face saving, but partly also just trying to
exhaust their defensive weaponry, their number of shells.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Yeah, so we'll see. Qatar is temporarily suspended air traffic
in its airspace to ensure the safety of citizens, residents
and visitors. I was going to vacation. We're on vacation
next week and we are going, me and the kids,
We're going to Quitar. But I guess we aren't now.
I guess we'll have to make it to h Saudi Arabia.
(33:03):
What are your other fun countries? To go to. I
was actually reading about it. What's the one of your Dubai.
Speaker 4 (33:11):
One of those gleaming, super modern mega cities, just astonishing
architecture and attractions and recreation and the rest of it.
It's a hell of a long trip, but it'd be
a wild experience. I know a lot of you listening
have probably gone to your Dubais and that sort of thing.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Yeah, someday. My brother has been to all those places
and they are quite spectacular. I'm actually going to Florida
in June. It is going to be very very hot
and very very humid, but not very crowded because nobody
wants to be there, So that's the trade off you make.
Speaker 4 (33:43):
You gott to warn the boys they got cocker roaches there.
You could saddle up and ride to town.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
I'm more worried about mosquitoes. Gonna have a lot because
we're going to go to the Everglades all the middle
of summer. It's going to be very hot, very mosquitoed.
What do you canter bait?
Speaker 4 (34:00):
M Strong?
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Tom Strong? You ready with Katie.
Speaker 4 (34:09):
Green and.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
Here's your host for final thoughts, Joe Getty.
Speaker 4 (34:17):
How about a final thought from everybody on the crew
to wrap up the show.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
There is pressing the buttons. Michaelangelo lead us off, Michael, do.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
You think that if the Iranian people rise up and
throughout their leaders, that the Y M c A Dance
will come to Iran?
Speaker 1 (34:31):
That's a very good question. It is a beautiful dream, Michael.
Katie Green or a Steam newswoman has a final thought.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
I have several words that make my skin crawl, and
you guys added one this morning when Jack said festering.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
You don't like the word faster. I don't that word?
Not a good word? Uncle Fester from the Adams family. No, Yeah,
I don't know fest Range Jack. Final thoughts for us
shall we went on vacation one time when nine to
eleven happened, and when you came back to work, I
was in England. Is there anything that could happen that
would bring us back from a vacation At this point,
(35:06):
I feel like we've had so many crazy things happen.
Speaker 4 (35:08):
Then I don't want to say no, because that feels
like tempting fate.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
Not that I'm superstitious, but I hope not. Man, I
just go with that.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
My final thought is I played the best golf I've
played in a decade.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
Over the weekend, two rounds, both very very good.
Speaker 4 (35:26):
But I am old and wise now, and I am
fully cognizant of the fact that I will suck again
and soon such as the nature of the game.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
So you didn't think, Hey, I've finally figured this out.
Hell No, Armstrong and Getty wrapping up and other they're grueling,
four hour workday, so.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
Many people, thanks so a little time. Good Armstrong e
Getty dot com. We have a lot of great clicks
for you under hotlinks Katie's corner. Pick up some swag,
pick up a ng T shirt. For goodness sakes, it
helps keep everybody on the payroll during these difficult, difficult time.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
Sure we'll have a lot of details on the response tomorrow.
See that. God bless America. I'm Strong and Getty. That's
made in heavenly. We're all better off. We're all better off.
We're all better off, and we're working together. What the
hell was that? That was quite entertaining for No.
Speaker 5 (36:11):
Joe, So let's go with the bine.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
Honey or oh my god, I'm sorry, I'm sorry that.
I don't know what to say to that. I'm sorry.
I've just been totally thrown Yeah, I can imagine I'm
a little thrown by that. Also, if I'm being honest with.
Speaker 4 (36:27):
That, I know.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Bye bye. Ar'm strong and Getty
Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio the George
Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty. Armstrong and
Getty and he Armstrong and Getty.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Talk about the US military and how it really does
it stands this is this is not cheerleading on my part.
I think any any military person in the world would
say the same thing. The United States and its capabilities
and its power and in its discipline right now certainly
seems to be second to nine.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
It is, Joe, It's awesome.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
The power of the military, the power of the people
in the military is incredible. We can do anything we're
asked to do.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
The US military can do anything. I love how on
MSNBC they have to qualify it, you know, I don't
want to be too much of a cheer leader here.
Same show on Morning Joe Today, they had David Ignatius
of the Washington Post and he had to qualify his statement.
I don't want to be you know, I don't want
to be giving Trump too much credit here. But the
point of his article was this sent a message to
(01:17):
China and Russia that is going to back them off.
A fair amount of the United States sometimes does what
it's threatening and can do it really, really well, So
keep that in mind.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
Yeah, the whole narrative, well Trump always chickens out was
wildly overrated, the whole taco thing, But the question of
does he make blustery threats and doesn't really intend to
live up to him, that question was out there. I'd
say this changes the calculus significantly.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Well, and stopping Iran from getting a nuclear weapon is
a different topic than tariffs too, just completely different worlds.
A couple of things for you, Well, I do this first,
or this first before I get to the let's hear
from Mike Lions, and then we'll get to the breaking news.
It's not so breaking that I feel like I need
to get it on this second. We talked to Mike Lynes,
(02:05):
one of our favorite military analysts, this morning. He had
a couple of things to say. We thought we'd repeat.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Classic Iranian playbook. They sow fear within our country, saying
we're going to really sleeper cells. You know, they must
watch the same movies that made here in Hollywood, because
I just think that's completely overblown. They will likely try
to maybe target some American forces that are in the area,
that are close that are all that are all buttoned
up right now? Every one of those missiles they try
(02:31):
to fire at them has a return address, and I
guarantee it as soon as one of them leave the
tube on that side, there will be something in return
going in the other direction. This president is not going
to sit back and take and take it.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
So that's to the what could Iran do or will
they do something back as a you know, a response.
Fox News alert sources to Fox imminent threat of Iranians
Iranian strike on US You I'm going to learn to
install windows? How long would that take it this age?
Speaker 4 (03:04):
Hey, you got an apprentice for a few years, really
get it down. But you don't need to be able
to talk to do that, right, So maybe the good
morning of your your clients and.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Maybe that'd be a better job choice for you. Your coworkers.
Sources to Fox imminent threat of Iranian strike on US
base in Qatar. So they have some info on that.
We'll see if that's true or not. I've been wondering
what the Mullahs think they would get out of an
attack and what's their endgame. Mike Lions spoke to that
(03:36):
a little bit.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
There's no negotiation that's going to take place. They're not
interested in talking, They're interested in just surviving and delaying.
But they're in such a bad point strategically right now.
I just I just think they're going to do it.
I wouldn't be surprised if they get on planes and left.
I think that's gonna the only survival that the switzerlander
gets some other place, and that's the only thing. Wow,
sure they're survival at this point.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
I don't know that I want that.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
I thought it was notable that after the devastating American attacks,
the Iyatola came out with a blistering statement against Israel,
didn't even mention the Great Satan. Now was that a
faint Does he or the Republican Guard actually intend Revolutionary
Guard intend to go after the US directly? Boy, that
(04:20):
seems like a suicide mission to both of us. But
they might feel like they have to to have any legitimacy.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Man, I hadn't heard anybody other than Mike Lyons bring
up the idea of them. Maybe they jump on a
plane and do the whole dictator living out the rest
of their life somewhere else routine. But then there's nobody
running Iran and it could fall into you know, full
on Iraqi chaos.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
Right right, that's possible. The interesting question is who's a
greed head inside Iran and who's an actual religious fundamentalist
nut job, Because if you're the part of the latter group,
you're not going to take some sort of golden parachute
to live the rest of your life out in Monaco
or the UAE or whatever.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
No way, and we haven't mentioned this for a while,
just in case you don't know. So everybody supporting the
Trump administration went on all the talk shows yesterday and said,
this is not a war with Iran, and we're not
about regime change. We are not interested in regime change.
Regime change. No, if you say regime change again, I'm
gonna slap you because that's not our thing. And then Trump,
like after all those people went on the shows, tweet
(05:25):
it out it's not politically correct to use the term
regime change. But if the current Iranian regime is unable
to make Iran great again, why wouldn't there be a
regime change Mega Miga make Iran great again.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
It's a great example of Trump not observing the rules
of diplomacy and standard presidential statements, and.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Sometimes I think that's a mistake.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
Sometimes I think, who doesn't think everybody wants the iatola
to go? Everybody wants him to go. He just set
it out loud. It's not that crazy. Well, that empowers
forces within Iran to claim that it's a US directed
blah blah blah. I don't know how true all that's
I'm not worried about that statement. Yeah, so speaking of
(06:15):
the Revolutionary Guard, really interesting situation now. Israeli strikes have
taken out many of their senior personnel.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Yes, the latest MTG. I don't think you had this
in what you were reading earlier from Marjorie Taylor Green.
Only six months in and we're back into foreign wars.
It feels like a complete bait and switch to please
the neocons. Wow, from Marjorie Taylor Green and the Tucker crowd.
Open warfare with Trump seems like a bad idea. Yeah,
we can get back to that, man, if you will think,
(06:42):
if you won't, think you are maga and Trump is
just along for the ride. Well, I guess we're about
to find out. Yeah, we'll see how that goes.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
But anyway, so the Revolutionary Guard battered Supreme leader Iatola
Kamaneeses role depends to a large extent of loyalty from
the Guard. Quoting from the Journal, he has empowered the
military force to the extent it's likely to outlive him.
But if Kamanie were toppled or killed, the Revolutionary Guard
most likely to step in and dictate a new ruler
(07:12):
and run the show. I just think these organizations are really,
really interesting and Americans can't relate to them at all.
Since its formation during the Great Brave Revolution in nineteen
seventy nine, the IRGC has been the most powerful branch
of Iran's armed forces, and it's separate from and more
powerful than the National Army. It has its own ground forces,
(07:36):
its own navy, its own air force, its own intelligence
and special forces, totaling around one hundred and twenty five
thousand dollars. It is also deeply embedded in Iran's economic system,
political affairs, and social fabric. It has an expansive economic empire.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
The Guard dominates all major.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
Infrastruate ructure sectors, including oil and gas, construction, and telecommunications.
The Revolutionary Guard is there Exxon, it's their what's a
giant construction company, and they're at and t it's also
damn near their Amazon dot Com and their Walmart, and
they're separate even nominate tourism, and they're separate from the army. Yes,
(08:23):
But so my question would be, since Israel has killed
the leaders of the army and the leaders of the
Revolutionary Guard, do.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
We know how they would react the new leaders? No.
I mean, you can make educated guesses, but they did.
But they wouldn't have the cult of personality that you
usually have as a military leader when you're gonna take
over a country. No, that's absolutely correct.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
Although again, my point in describing this, and there's a
little more to it, but is that this is a
giant corporation. It is much more like than it is
the United States Army because it has its hands in
so many different industries and economic activities.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
So is your belief that they're motivated by money as
opposed to bringing back the thirteenth Madi or whatever of
that all stuff is? Yeah, that's the super interesting part
of it.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
It's difficult to say, I have a feeling you got
guys who are ninety ten greed heads versus religious fanatics
and guys who are ten ninety in the other direction.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
But if they're mostly just businessmen. They're like you know,
Putin or the oligarchs in Russia. Then we might be
okay with that, right, It'd be like lcc run in Egypt,
right exactly.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
Yeah, That's one of the reasons I was kind of
enthused about bringing this up is I think dealing with
the greed heads would be a great option for the
rest of the world because you can do business with them.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Now.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
Trump one of Trump's blind spots is I think this
less now, I guess than I used to.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
But he always thinks.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
The offer to make a lot of money and bring
prosperity to your people, whether it's Putin or the Ietola
or whatever, he thinks that's irresistible because that's how he
sees the world. And Putin's like, no, I'm going to
restore the Great Russian Empire and I'm going to be
Peter the Great, So thanks anyway. And the Mullas obviously
are like, no, it's all about Allah and and I
(10:26):
don't need money really. On the other hand, the Revolutionary
Guard guys, a lot of the higher ups, they're great heads,
they're mobsters, they're business people, and I think you probably
could deal with them, maybe.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Got a little tip for you, based on recent major
news events about how you should take in news. If
you're doing it the old way. If you hear something's
happening and you flip on CNN, man, you are way
behind and ain't the way to do it. Plus you
got to look at wolf Blitzer. I want to suspend
their Saturday evening looking at wolf Blitzer, not even missus Blitzer.
(11:07):
Thats mean spirited. That and other stuff on the way.
Stay here. So a couple of different things for you.
Changing times. You gotta change your You gotta adjust your
sales for the changing times. Man, have you ever seriously
considered you're an iPhone guy? I'm an iPhone guy. Have
you ever seriously considered abandoning the iPhone for one of
(11:28):
the other smartphones? Not seriously. I looked into it once.
I've never seriously done it, just because it seems like
could be in a tremendous pain in the ass because
I got everything tied into Apple. Although our friend Craig
did it and he squears by it. He is he
a Samsung guy. Yes, yeah, but he likes the phone
better and says it wasn't that hard. And they've got
(11:49):
to wait yes, Katie opinion on this. Oh, I'm the
complete opposite. I switched for a year, and I'll that
was a huge mistake. Oh really, would you switch to
Samsung Note? Okay? And you didn't dig it and you
went back. And I just came across this, And this
is from a consultant person who doesn't seem to have
(12:09):
a dog in this fight. But they said, Samsung just
ended the iPhone era. The Galaxy S twenty five AI
is five years ahead of where Apple is currently and
they aren't gonna catch up in terms of their AI
abilities anyway. I was looking at some of the examples
of things you can do with pictures, video, and voice
on the phone with their AI, and it looks pretty
damned impressive. I'm not gonna switch. I just it just
(12:30):
seems like a pain in the ass and I'm perfectly
happy with what I got. But yeah, any examples that
leap out, Well, you know that thing that you hate
but I enjoy is the turning into everything into babies talking, Oh, well,
you can do that on your phone easily. And it
was just to demonstrate the being able to assign voices
(12:51):
to videos or edit audio inside of videos that you
take and then blah blah blah these different things that
they said is super easy to do, you can't currently
do it.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
I could see if you're part of the hardcore, especially
young social media crowd, that'd be really attractive.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
I don't have the time, but right, yeah, but that'll
be interesting to see if Samsung is way ahead in
the whole AI in the phone thing, as I've become
such a chat GPT guy as opposed to Google. Now
again to the changing times, we got a new robotaxi
ladies and germs. Tesla announced over the weekend. Robotaxis are here,
(13:28):
the Tesla robo taxi. They're launched them in Austin, where
Elon lives. This would be to compete with Waimo, completely
autonomous out there driving around on their own Tesla's and
their stock is up ten percent on that news today,
So we'll see how good they are or not. I
don't know.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
So rioters can surround Tesla's and set them on fire.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Yeah, I don't know how often that's going to happen,
if that's a big deal or not. I don't have
any idea. And then I came across this. I was
going to mention today about how if you're not going
to Twitter, or maybe you have a different social media
thing you go to Instagram or something. I don't know,
(14:11):
for when news breaks, you're just you so far behind.
I was kind of monitoring cable news while I was
doing Twitter as news came out that we had bombed
around and cable news was so far behind. And I
don't mean just like sixty seconds or five minutes. It's
like you took like an hour later before they would
bring you the news. You were reading on Twitter from
(14:32):
a whole bunch of different sources. And if you care
about breaking news and big stories, that's the way to go.
And then I saw this from Barry Weiss, who we
really like, who's over at the Free Press, because somebody
had tweeted out with all the resources CBS, NBC, ABC,
CNN have to report in quote breaking news, I turned
to the FP live stream, the Free Press live stream
(14:55):
Saturday to night to get in depth analysis immediately, way
ahead of all those channels. Barry White said, thank you.
I'm so proud of the FP team. So I hadn't
even looked into that, But there are much better sources
for breaking news out there than the old cable news
if I was the old cable news, I don't know
why you don't just like, have somebody read from Twitter
(15:16):
on there better off if you had Anderson Cooper flipping
through Twitter and reading tweets, then whatever CNN reporting they.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
Have, Yeah, that would that would kind of put a
fine point on it, though, I think that would illustrate.
You know, why would I have Anderson Cooper read it
to me?
Speaker 1 (15:34):
I can read, so you learned when I was a
little kid. So you think MSNBC and CNN they're just
holding on to the fact that their old viewers haven't
caught on to the fact that they can get all
this an hour earlier and from better sources somewhere else.
Ding for what.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
It's worth, the I heard that Free Press live stream
later and it was it was unbelievably good.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
Really, I've got a JAP on that Next Time Experts
on Tehran and Italy, Italy.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
Israel and warfare and stuff up at three o'clock in
the morning where they were talking about it in depth.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
It was really really good.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
I mean, you gotta be really into it to enjoy
it because it was in depth, but it was very,
very impressive.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
There is a YouTube channel our boss turned us on
to where a guy basically does sit there and scroll
through Twitter and just give you all the latest stuff.
And he's pretty good at which Twitter sites to go to.
But that's where news breaks. If there's a shooting or
anything happens, a protests in La you go on Twitter,
you will get more news. You'll get videos that they
won't have till the next day on your cable news channels.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
Yeah, la boo boos are everything that's wrong with America.
I'm not sure we'll have time to get to that today.
By tomorrow, la boo boos. So it's creepy looking freaky dolls.
The deep are all hot to trot for that made
the dumb cup looks smart.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Somehow I missed the labooboo trend. Okay, you'll have to
bring me up speed on that.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
But Jack, you were hot to trot to discuss the uh.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Friends have morality?
Speaker 4 (17:12):
No?
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Can you have morality without faith? Discussion Strong and.
Speaker 5 (17:16):
Getty, what was the celebration like when you guys got
to the locker room, Because we when we got there,
there wasn't threwn't.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Bottles being put up like you normally see.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
Do we miss that?
Speaker 5 (17:26):
And how much. I mean, first of all, none of
us knew how to do it, so so it was
more like, you know, like it was like YouTube tutorials
and so we were just asking Ac how to do it,
and so it was it was a kind of not
really instanc because no one know.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
How to do it.
Speaker 5 (17:42):
But yeah, shout out to AC for kind of teaching
us how to woo champagne. I guess.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
So that's one of the young players of the Oklahoma
City Thunder, very young team and uh, the younger generation
that doesn't drink much or doesn't drink that they had
all the champagne bottles in there for the big pop
in the court spray and celebration. None of the young
players knew how to open a bottle of champaigne.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
So well, let's best they held off till somebody who
knew what they were doing was on hand. You can
lose an eye that way, Jack, Yeah, they're the youngest
team in.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
The NBA, the champions. Maybe they needed a bunch of
eight pens or something. Yeah, no, kidding, marijuanas to smoke.
I think the kids do.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
Brought this up briefly at the beginning of the show,
and Jack expressed interest in following up on it. Frequent
correspondent Pawlow talking about the question.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Of morality without faith.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
That sort of thing I believe I quoted Tokeville maybe
was the freedom ofving quote of the day. In fact,
they probably should have dug it up that you can't
have liberty without morality and you can't have morality without faith.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
The first one is true, the second one is an
open question. Yeah, and Poolo said, I think you absolutely can.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
Morality is a set of beliefs about how we behave
that lead to the best possible outcome for humanity. Can
be a constitutional framework governing human behavior. For instance, faith
is a mode of belief that makes the belief immutable.
Faith can support morality, promote adherence to it. It can
also promote the dogma of Iranian theocrats, can mean the faithful.
(19:19):
It can make the faithful immune to logic and reason,
and that's scary.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Well, I've never particularly liked the argument against religion that
because sometimes it's used poorly, then it's all bad. I've
never bought that argument, and sometimes it is used very poorly.
As we all know, lots of quotes from the Founding
fathers about how this whole thing doesn't work unless we're
(19:44):
a moral people. Practically everybody was religious back in the day.
The question of do you need to be religious to
be moral, while it seems like it should be, you
wouldn't need to be ever been done before. I mean,
it's kind of kind of a new concept, fairly new,
(20:04):
like you know, last half century or something. Europe's trying it, but.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
Right, well, and layer that experiment on top of the
layer of the experiment of multiculturalism and not like multi
ethnicity or multi you know, huge skins, just literally completely
different worldviews, cultural views. Trying to establish a secular morality
(20:31):
in that situation is really really hard.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Yeah what what well we won't find out for decades,
maybe a century or more. To find out is if
you have to have the underpinning of a culture that
had religion through and through forever, Yes, and then we've
got this morality hangover even as belief in God maybe
(20:55):
disappears or church going disappears. The cultural norm of you know,
not lying that stealing now whatever has hung around, will
that continue to hang around without the underpinning of religion.
Nobody knows that to claim you know that, I don't
know what you're basing that on.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
Wow, that's an interesting point, kind of a cultural half
life of Christian values. Yeah, well, and it is. And
I use the term Christian informedly or intentionally. You there
are very very, very different moral precepts to each of
(21:33):
the world's major religions, although Jadaism and Christianity are very
very close in a lot of ways. And I would
argue that, you know, his citing the molahs in Ran
for instances, that's almost a different topic because the concept
of what is morality in Islam is very very different
(21:53):
than Christianity, practically unrecognizable in a lot of ways.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
And so.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
I don't know where we go from here, honestly, because
it is like the question of organizing society. Without what
you were describing, Jack, a general agreement on moral principles.
The only thing you can go to, as Paolo pointed out,
was like a constitutional framework governing human behavior. Well, I
(22:22):
would suggest Polo that it would have to be much
much more widespread and specific than that. It would have
to be something approaching totalitarianism, because there would be no
common moral precepts that would make laws X, Y, and
Z completely unnecessary anyway, or at least not necessary very often,
(22:43):
because nobody would do that except if they've lost their mind.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Where do most people's moral compasses come from the Bible?
Maybe I went to Sunday School and church as a kid,
so maybe it's that. I think it's probably more more
that my parents just told me repeatedly as a kid
that stealing is wrong, So you know you do, and
(23:09):
you just get that into your head and he's like,
what I do not not steal? How many negatives is that?
Where did I end up with tracking with you? Because
I think I'm going to be punished by God. It
doesn't even cross my mind a punishment from God. I
just to me, it's just simple that society would break
(23:29):
down if we all just stole. So I don't you
shouldn't it. I don't want my kids do. It'd just
be the end of society if we did.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
Well, it's somebody else's work from them, right, You've denied
them the fruits of their labor, which is disgusting.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Have you ever known anybody that didn't have that moral compass.
I've known several and it's always just so mind boggling
to me. I had a boss one time, gladys if
you could tell me I had this boss. He actually
was the owner of this night club that I worked at,
and I remember the topic came up. Somebody left assigned
(24:09):
government refund check. I don't know exactly what it was,
but it was in a situation where like, if you
had it, you could have taken the bank and cashed it.
Somebody left it behind, and then somebody returned it to
the original person because their name was on the check.
And he couldn't understand why anybody would do that. It
(24:29):
just didn't make any sense to him whatsoever. Well, he
left it behind, that's you know, finders, keepers, losers, weepers.
That's his problem, not mine. It just didn't make any
sense to him whatsoever that you wouldn't take it because
you could, which blew my mind.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
But I mean, sociopathya think are just kind of from
a tougher life.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
And he wasn't. Forget to get your He wasn't from
a tough life at all. They were hardcore businessmen, all
of them wealthy. His family was wealthy, and he and
his brothers were wealthy. They were all wealthy. But it
was a very I'm going to get killed for this,
I think Trumpian way of looking at the world of
just No, it's just a it's a constant battle over,
(25:14):
you know, I got over. You should have hung on
to your stuff, yeah, Or you should have made a
better business deal, or you should have thought of that
before I did this. I win, you lose. That's the
way life is, you know.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
I'm always going on about how a lot of politicians
and a lot of people ignore the fact that post
World War Two America was a thing that will never
exist again. It was a situation that will never exist again,
or at least not very close. Europe decimated, a lot
(25:49):
of Asia still living in huts, except for Japan, which
was decimated and under our thumb, and we had a
virtual monopoly on advanced manufacturing and global trade, shipping in
the restaurant, and that standard of living in that lifestyle
became the norm, even though the situation that gave birth
(26:09):
to it was completely not the norm and never would
be again. Well, I think we have a similar thing
going on culturally that nobody wants to talk about, and
I will talk about it right now. We are coming
out of a period of cultural homogenitity.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
We are homogeneous as a culture.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
Judeo Christian principles European principles and particularly dominated by the
principles of the United Kingdom, were such a thick vein
of what we were as a people that everybody just
assumed that was so. And there's certainly spice around the
(26:52):
edges of different cultures and people and perspectives, but we
had such a thick vein of Judeo Christian Magna Carta,
English common law declaration of independent principles. It made everything way,
way easier. Not that it was easy. I mean, there's
plenty of terrible things that went on, but that is gone.
Now it is gone. We are truly becoming multi cultural
(27:16):
in a way that will be extremely difficult to manage.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Yeah, And I was just thinking of people I've known
that don't have that moral compass, at least that kind
of moral compass. Like the examples I'm thinking of, they
weren't gonna they weren't gonna rape or kill or anything
like that that certainly financially they were willing. You know,
it's just if I can, I should, and you should too.
And it's whoever wins wins. I've known several successful business
(27:43):
people like that.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
Well, and there are several very very important countries where
that is the cultural norm to cheat somebody successfully is
not looked upon as being despicable. It's looked upon as
the same as winning a tennis match.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Yeah you were better. Yeah. Yeah. The people I've known
that were like, I was better than you, and you
should be better next time, which is interesting. Most vast
majority of business people have known have not been that way,
but I have known several, and then I've also known
just like losers who can't get anywhere of life, who
believe that because they're just yeah, amoral.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
I don't want to get angry letters and have to
get dragged into a meeting. Lord knows at this point,
but yeah, a fellow who is an immigrant to the
United States from a particular land which may or may
not be in the news pretty frequently, was it in
that whole country? No, well, it kind of is now,
but it shouldn't be anyway. He was explaining to me
the cultural norms of getting over on somebody in business,
(28:43):
and how the deception was not looked upon his fraud.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
It's looked upon his cleverness.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
It's one of the tools you exercise in a way
that is would be extremely unfamiliar to most Americans. In fact, hell,
we've got that, you know, thousands of pages of legal
codes saying you'll go to jail if you do that.
Not there, it's normal. I heard another giant economy being
(29:10):
described by somebody who had lived and worked all over
the world, had quite an auspicious career. He described that
large economy is a nation of thieves.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Huh. So, getting back to the original question, do you
need to have the faith to get the morality which
is required for us to succeed? I don't know, but
nobody's run this experiment as far as I know.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
All Right, captain metaphor, this is my final thought. Here's
your metaphor. The answer is faith to morality to order
is a lot like water to the soil that you're
growing your lawn in. For instance, when you cut off
the water of coherent religious belief, like the Judeo Christian principles,
(30:02):
you cut that water off, the lawn will live for
a certain amount of time, but then it'll die.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Yeah. Well it's a two step process. We're going to
find out what a powerful metaphor.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
Iran breaking news, breaking news, Iran has attacked the US
basin cutter.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Oh really, let's come back with details on that. Holy cow,
I'm gonna go to Twitter not to see an end
to find out what's going on. Stay tuned. So what
was it? A couple of hours ago, Fox was reporting
that an attack on our military base in Qatar was imminent.
(30:41):
And then it turns out as this happened, makes you wonder,
does it not? What do you wonder? Well? For instance,
Axios reported Israel had detected UH missile launchers being moved
in Iran positioned it look like to attack our military base.
(31:06):
Is it possible? I think likely? Actually that Iran was, Hey,
moving our missile launchers just out in the open here
so everybody can see it, moving them here, pointing them
toward the Qatar, toward your empty military base. Here we go.
You're ready, just want to make sure you see this
coming so you can shoot them down. Here we go.
We watched our righteous vengeance. Here we go, striking a blow.
(31:28):
Now we're launching our missiles and you shut them down. Well,
I'll be darned anyway. We retaliated. We save face. See,
we aren't just gonna take it lying down. Everything good?
Here are we done? Now? Boy? You may not be right,
but I think you are does have that feel. Yeah,
(31:48):
now you remember, now we got everybody out of our
Katari military base, a bunch of our military bases. Last week.
We talked about that. But remember remember when Iran did
their face saving retaliation after Sulimani was killed and they
(32:09):
scrambled the brains of some of our soldiers. And Trump
downplayed it too. He did try to keep the peace
so that we wouldn't have to respond. But I didn't
think that was cool at all. No, no, indeed.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
But it's a different time, different situation. But and I
remember their face saving attack against Israel turned out to
be hundreds and hundreds of weapons and may well have
been partly face saving, but partly also just trying to
exhaust their defensive weaponry, their number of shells.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Yeah, so we'll see. Qatar is temporarily suspended air traffic
in its airspace to ensure the safety of citizens, residents
and visitors. I was going to vacation. We're on vacation
next week and we are going, me and the kids,
We're going to Quitar. But I guess we aren't now.
I guess we'll have to make it to h Saudi Arabia.
(33:03):
What are your other fun countries? To go to. I
was actually reading about it. What's the one of your Dubai.
Speaker 4 (33:11):
One of those gleaming, super modern mega cities, just astonishing
architecture and attractions and recreation and the rest of it.
It's a hell of a long trip, but it'd be
a wild experience. I know a lot of you listening
have probably gone to your Dubais and that sort of thing.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Yeah, someday. My brother has been to all those places
and they are quite spectacular. I'm actually going to Florida
in June. It is going to be very very hot
and very very humid, but not very crowded because nobody
wants to be there, So that's the trade off you make.
Speaker 4 (33:43):
You gott to warn the boys they got cocker roaches there.
You could saddle up and ride to town.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
I'm more worried about mosquitoes. Gonna have a lot because
we're going to go to the Everglades all the middle
of summer. It's going to be very hot, very mosquitoed.
What do you canter bait?
Speaker 4 (34:00):
M Strong?
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Tom Strong? You ready with Katie.
Speaker 4 (34:09):
Green and.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
Here's your host for final thoughts, Joe Getty.
Speaker 4 (34:17):
How about a final thought from everybody on the crew
to wrap up the show.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
There is pressing the buttons. Michaelangelo lead us off, Michael, do.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
You think that if the Iranian people rise up and
throughout their leaders, that the Y M c A Dance
will come to Iran?
Speaker 1 (34:31):
That's a very good question. It is a beautiful dream, Michael.
Katie Green or a Steam newswoman has a final thought.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
I have several words that make my skin crawl, and
you guys added one this morning when Jack said festering.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
You don't like the word faster. I don't that word?
Not a good word? Uncle Fester from the Adams family. No, Yeah,
I don't know fest Range Jack. Final thoughts for us
shall we went on vacation one time when nine to
eleven happened, and when you came back to work, I
was in England. Is there anything that could happen that
would bring us back from a vacation At this point,
(35:06):
I feel like we've had so many crazy things happen.
Speaker 4 (35:08):
Then I don't want to say no, because that feels
like tempting fate.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
Not that I'm superstitious, but I hope not. Man, I
just go with that.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
My final thought is I played the best golf I've
played in a decade.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
Over the weekend, two rounds, both very very good.
Speaker 4 (35:26):
But I am old and wise now, and I am
fully cognizant of the fact that I will suck again
and soon such as the nature of the game.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
So you didn't think, Hey, I've finally figured this out.
Hell No, Armstrong and Getty wrapping up and other they're grueling,
four hour workday, so.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
Many people, thanks so a little time. Good Armstrong e
Getty dot com. We have a lot of great clicks
for you under hotlinks Katie's corner. Pick up some swag,
pick up a ng T shirt. For goodness sakes, it
helps keep everybody on the payroll during these difficult, difficult time.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
Sure we'll have a lot of details on the response tomorrow.
See that. God bless America. I'm Strong and Getty. That's
made in heavenly. We're all better off. We're all better off.
We're all better off, and we're working together. What the
hell was that? That was quite entertaining for No.
Speaker 5 (36:11):
Joe, So let's go with the bine.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
Honey or oh my god, I'm sorry, I'm sorry that.
I don't know what to say to that. I'm sorry.
I've just been totally thrown Yeah, I can imagine I'm
a little thrown by that. Also, if I'm being honest with.
Speaker 4 (36:27):
That, I know.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Bye bye. Ar'm strong and Getty
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