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July 14, 2025 14 mins

On the Monday July 14 2025 edition of The Armstrong & Getty One More Thing Podcast...

  • Jack is on a major Springsteen kick...
  • Do certain sounds bother you?  

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
If you don't stop eating that peach like that, I'm
going to kill you. One more thing.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
I'm strong and getty.

Speaker 3 (00:06):
One more thing, a bunch of peach eaters around there
before we get to miss Aphonia and the latest on that.

Speaker 1 (00:15):
I am on such a Springsteen kick right now, really,
like more than I've ever been in my life. And uh,
partially because he released those seven albums a week or
so ago. He released seven albums a couple of weeks ago,
and I didn't realize this until I started reading about it,

(00:38):
that these weren't just like you know, because every artist
has like lots of tracks that they recorded or whatever.
These are albums that, like the whole album was done, mixed,
was an album, had cover art, a name, everything. They
just didn't get released for whatever reason. Really yeah, like
the one I'm really into right now came out and
it would have come out in eighty two, so like

(01:00):
right between the River and Born in the USA, he
had a whole other album ready to go and it
just never got released. This is very very odd, and
there's things he would have bitched about that or something,
and there's some pretty good music on there. It doesn't
really explain it. I watched an interview and you just
said all kinds of different reasons, legal or commercial or
artistic or whatever. Okay, AnyWho. So I'm on a Springsteen kick.

(01:25):
More on that later, I try. I'm trying to get
past how much how annoying I find him and enjoy
his music again. He is one an unbelievable songwriter, two
an unbelievable singer. It's just unbelievable, absolutely true. Just love
the art, not the artist. Yeah, okay, back to miss Aphonia.
Do you I don't remember do you have this? Katie? You?

(01:48):
We can't all have it, can we? I mean, cause
it's it's it's it's a smaller percentage of people that
have it.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
Do you have it? Michael? I think a little bit,
but not not extreme.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
I think it's one of those things like oc everybody's
got a little bit of it. It's just whether it
crosses over into like really annoys your life, because everybody's
got a little OCD. I do everything on the microwave
on an even number, just have to. But it's not
a big deal. I don't stay up at night wondering
if I left the microwave on an odd number like

(02:18):
some people do.

Speaker 3 (02:20):
I would agree, and everybody's sensitive to annoying noises, But
to some people like my daughter, my youngest is just
she works very hard on it, otherwise it would screw
up her life.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
New York Times with an article about the whole thing
and examining the science behind our hatred of wet stuff,
specifically from chew noises to the word moist but anyway,
the moist mind virus Why we hate wet sounds was
the name of the article.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
My dog licking. Oh, oh God's sake, stop.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
That's funny.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
That one doesn't really bother me.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
Oh my God. Sciences neat a bigger dog. Science has
been to understand mesophonium. It took over twenty years for
researchers to arrive at a consensus definition of the condition. Formally,
it is now described as quote a disorder of decreased
tolerance to specific sounds or their associated stimuli or cues.

(03:18):
These cues known as triggers. I hate the word trigger.
Our experience is unpleasant or distressing and tend to evoke
strong negative emotional physiological I have that and behavioral response
is not seen in most other people. Like I get
a physiological response to some noises like I clinch and

(03:40):
just vibrate with anger, slash, disgust, fight or flight. Really, yeah,
it is. The definition is intentionally vague so as to
be inclusive. Partly that's because the trigger is very widely
and for different people. Chewing sounds are canonical, as in,
like that's the core go to of people who have misophonia.

(04:03):
Who is chewing sounds?

Speaker 4 (04:04):
Even thinking about chewing sounds is giving me a reaction.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
And I've told the story of the first time I
ever noticed it in my life. I didn't know what
was going on at the time, but the first time
I can remember noticing it. I'm twenty years old, got
my first serious, serious girlfriend where out after the bar's
clothed were at this taco place. Her friend is sitting
there telling a story while she eats chips and cheese dip,

(04:30):
and she's dipping her nacho chips and cheese dip and
then like licking the cheese and eating it and in
between every other word. And I had this boiling rage
that just started to grow and in myself I was
even like, why am I so mad? I mean, I
want to get I could kill her with my bare

(04:50):
hands to make her stop doing that. Wow, it was
just and it was the first time I ever had it.

Speaker 4 (04:55):
Where I've gotten in trouble is I've been in a
some more situation and I'll say something like, hey.

Speaker 2 (04:59):
Oh is that that good?

Speaker 4 (05:02):
You enjoying that?

Speaker 1 (05:03):
I kept thinking, my head on chest.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
Ain't your fucking chips, Jesus crust? Oh boy, that's good.

Speaker 3 (05:15):
But you're right though in your introduction, the peach may
be the all time champion because he got the crunch
in the chew and the smacking, slip.

Speaker 1 (05:24):
Slopping, the sucking juice. Yes, yes, my son was eating
the peach. My son was eating the peach fresh off
the tree the other day, and I just I gotta
leave the room.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
Yeah, you have to. Somebody's eating fruit like that. Oh
my god.

Speaker 3 (05:39):
No.

Speaker 1 (05:40):
In one study, eighty three percent of people who identified
as having miss aphonia reported chewing sounds as their earliest trigger.
It was my first one ever in my life. It's
funny that I can name the moment that I realized
I had a problem with. It sometimes gets further broken
down in the subcategories, which will include I know one
of Joe's favorites, crunching, lip, smacking, teeth, sucking, which I've

(06:03):
never noticed slurping slurping? Is that because she was slurping
the cheese. That's like my number one slurping, slurping the peach,
slurping the cheese. Any slurping. That's why I hate soup.
I hate soup boy. I can't be in a room
where people are eating soup.

Speaker 3 (06:19):
All right, fair enough, I love soups of all sorts,
but I sympathize with your pain.

Speaker 1 (06:23):
Others are more bothered by nasal sounds or breathing or
throat throat clearing. I don't have that.

Speaker 4 (06:31):
I did that to Drew the other day. His nose
was whistling, and I almost kicked him out of the car.

Speaker 3 (06:38):
Personally, one stick your nose, whatever's in there, deal with it.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
I don't care what it takes. Tissoe finger surgery, do
something her snot rocket, I don't care.

Speaker 3 (06:50):
Yes, I will approve of the snot rocket, whatever it
takes you.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
This doctor, this U scientist said. Personally, I think that
it should include the specific sound that's made when people
knock a piece of peppermint against their teeth. That's theirs.
I don't know that I've ever heard that, But and
this is I know this bothers Joe, And this one
doesn't bother me at all. A minority get triggered by
tapping or repetitive sounds like clicking a pen.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
Huh.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
For one of the reasons spies that somebody could click
a pen in here all day, every day. I would
never even notice it. That one does not bother me.
There's Michaels doing it now, but I know it bothers.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
Joke.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
Crazy makes joke.

Speaker 3 (07:30):
Yeah yeah, yeah, oh man, that's funny.

Speaker 2 (07:33):
You put me on edge.

Speaker 3 (07:35):
The other day is riding with some people who I'm
very fond of, when one of them was waking a
loud clicking noise right behind my head as I'm driving
the car, and I didn't say anything.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
What were they clicking? I know they the one that
makes me might bother me more than slurping. I don't
know why. The sound of an earbud's case closing, that click,
the snapping of it closed and my and you know,
it's a funny thing that people like doing it themselves
is soothing somehow, I guess people clicking pens on their

(08:06):
own or opening and closing the earbud case. Both my
kids will do that, like with their hands just riding
in the car. If you got to stop that wrung
over and shove you into the ditch and drive off,
that's what's gonna happen.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
Fair, fair game. I'm completely unaware of that.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
I've never noticed.

Speaker 1 (08:24):
Anybody in particular sound it's so sharp and click click click, ah,
But that's interesting. A minority are triggered by the tapping
and repetitive sounds like that. Triggers can be hyper specific
and idiosyncratic. You can go to Reddit and read about
people are triggered by the sound of foot flops, hard

(08:46):
see and K sounds wait and Southern accents. Wait, there's
too much there, hard C and K sounds right?

Speaker 3 (09:00):
Do you what? Do you? What?

Speaker 2 (09:00):
Do you call the people's.

Speaker 3 (09:02):
Feline pet a sad because you don't want to hear
the cat.

Speaker 1 (09:08):
The clicking of your cat in the Carolinas is gonna
kill me.

Speaker 3 (09:13):
Kiki the cat kicked Kentucky continuously.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
God if I if I had that and it bothered
me as much as like eating a peach, I don't
know how i'd live. I couldn't listen to the news.
I couldn't I'd have to live on an island.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
Wone. Yeah, I'd be a.

Speaker 3 (09:31):
This was before your time on the show, and it
made as much of an impression on me as as
virtually any correspondence we've ever gotten from a listener, and
I've wanted desperately to find the email and follow up
with the guy or whatever. But Jack, I'm sure you
remember this, But you know that feeling you get when
somebody cuts in line, for instance, that sense of social

(09:54):
offense HM, that somebody's violating the social compact. It's like
somebody uh driving like an a hole. There are a
thousand examples of that sort of thing.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
Yeah, he felt.

Speaker 3 (10:07):
That so intensely every single day, just every single example
of people not being decent people. He was on the
verge of suicide all the time because it made him
so miserable.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
WHOA.

Speaker 3 (10:22):
We'd been talking about that feeling of people who violate
the social compact, and I've had to work on it
because I was like, would be road rage guy, because
I would be so angered by people who could have
been kind and decent but just didn't because they could
get away with it. I would want to hunt them down.

Speaker 4 (10:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
Funny. The human mind is so complicated in all this stuff,
and why we're the way we are, Like, driving doesn't
bother me at all. But at the movie THEE the
other night, the people who make noise who talk during
a movie, Oh, that breaking that social compound to me
is just like a capital offense.

Speaker 4 (11:01):
Well, that's just being rude. Some people are just stupid
behind the wheel.

Speaker 1 (11:04):
How could you possibly do that talk during the movie.
I should kill you, and I do want to you
in your seat. It's dark, nobody will even know it
was me, not the perfect crime.

Speaker 3 (11:19):
I do want to interview those people and say, all right, look,
no judgment or anything.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
Don't worry.

Speaker 3 (11:23):
I'm not going to hit your I just I want
to know are you doing that because you're e fing
rude or two efing stupid to understand how effing rude
you are?

Speaker 2 (11:35):
Which one is it?

Speaker 3 (11:36):
Because it is one or the other, you are either
utterly unaware, which is astonishing to me, or you don't care,
in which case you're a nahole.

Speaker 1 (11:48):
Right, I've always gone with or wondered you realize if
we all did that, this whole thing would fall apart, right.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
Yeah, it'd be confidence in here. Nobody'd hear the movie or.

Speaker 1 (11:57):
The cutting in line with If everybody did this would
what the whole whole thing would break down right?

Speaker 2 (12:02):
So well, it'd like it look like Doorbuster Day.

Speaker 3 (12:05):
Yeah, on the day after Thanksgiving, your Black Friday sale
where people are murdering each other over a seventy dollars
toaster of it.

Speaker 1 (12:12):
I'm glad I'm not triggered by flip flops or hard
sea sounds. But anyway, the final paragraph here I thought
was really good. The strong negative emotional response is more
consistent no matter which thing it is that sets you off.
The reaction is very consistent. For people with missphonia. It
almost is always described as either anger or disgust, or

(12:33):
some combination thereof. The consensus definition also includes irritation and rage.
I get actual rage and I hate it. I try to, like,
this is ridiculous. You don't need to be this upset
about somebody eating a peach, but I can't control it.
Many people report panic and anxiety. Yeah, I need to
run from the room. But this seems to be secondary

(12:56):
and a value to have more about anticipation and whether
they'll be able to hand the situation in public. That's
kind of interesting. I think, like, am I gonna? Am
I gonna make a fool of myself at some point
by going, God, dang it, stop eating that beach. You know,
I don't want to be that person. If I didn't
have miss a Phony and somebody else was explaining it
to me, I would think you are a picky a hole.
Get over it, That is what I would think, Ron.

(13:18):
But because I do have it, I realize I got
no control over this.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
Interesting how many human quirks.

Speaker 3 (13:30):
Have that same aspect to them that we should be
a little more patient with others, make fewer assumptions about
them being bad people.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
Oh yeah, Like I'm an alcoholic and believe that's a thing.
But like people who have gambling problems, I think, get
a grip, grow up, don't be stupid.

Speaker 3 (13:47):
So let's see how long it takes Jack to catch on.
Ain't wasting time?

Speaker 2 (13:54):
No more?

Speaker 3 (13:56):
Slash Melissa, Melissa, Slash Blue Sky, One.

Speaker 2 (14:07):
Way Out, No Good.

Speaker 3 (14:13):
Those are the fabulous cuts from the Allman Brothers classic
album Eat a Peach.

Speaker 1 (14:17):
Oh that clever, very clever.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
Tie it back to what we already talked about.

Speaker 3 (14:26):
We'll circle, right, Michael, That's what I was trying to do.

Speaker 2 (14:33):
Oh, Michael, you know, for me, it wasn't never a
loud noise or anything. It was copyright infringement. I would
run the sports bars.

Speaker 3 (14:44):
It took over my life and demand the letter that
they sent the NFL.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
Yes, and it drove me nuts. Took over my life. Well,
I guess that's it.
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