August 13, 2025 • 35 mins
Hour 3 of A&G features...
- Spirit Airlines & custom babies
- China keeps pushing & Mamdani's inner circle
- Zelensky on Trump's meeting with Putin
- No more clankers!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio the George
Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty Armstrong and
Jetty and he Armstrong and Getty.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Spirit Airlines warned investors that they might not be able
to survive if they don't raise more money.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Not really the.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
News you want to see mid flight on your seatback screen.
It's like, yeah, Spirit is really struggling.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
It's not a good sign.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
When the flight attendants come around asking you for food
and blankets.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
You have anything I could eat?
Speaker 3 (00:47):
How are you going to finish that? I have not
flown Spirit Airlines. That's an East Coast thing, nor have
I Yeah. Yeah, they're big on the East Coast.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Yeah, the super cut rate cattle car, you know, which
is fine if you need to get somewhere and cheap
is all you care about, you know? Fair enough? You've
flown Spirit Airlines, Katie, unfortunately, Yes? And huge. Did you
destroy yours? Yes? And it is huge for Vegas flying.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
So you'll see a lot of party animals headed to
and a lot of hangovers headed back. Okay, Yeah, I
mean Southwest is so bare bones. It's always hard for
me to picture something more bare bones. Than that, but
apparently spirit is.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
So.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
The story is entitled The Bride of Chinese Frankenstein. I
mean you got Chinese Frankenstein. Of course you got to
have his bride and the race to make designer babies.
Some great coverage in the Free press about a very
very odd story.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
This guy's name is Huge Young Q. I'm sure I'm
mispronouncing that this guy is semi infamous. You may actually
recall the story that he actually was a brilliant student,
left China, went to Stanford, and went back to China,
(02:04):
and he ultimately got arrested and jailed for three years
for illegal medical practices he had. He announced in twenty
eighteen that he had created the world's first gene edited babies,
twin girls. He said he designed to have a trait
very few humans are born with immunity to HIV. They
called me Chinese Frankenstein. He told me, I didn't know, journalist,
(02:28):
I didn't know what you were going to say.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
They were edited to have a trait no human beings
have had, if they could fly or see through walls
or what it was going to be.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
No, turns out it's immunity the HIV, which is you know,
certainly lovely so anyway, but China jailed him partly because
it was so incredibly controversial. And now though he is
still in China not supposed to leave, he's getting together
financing to open a lab in Austin, Texas. There he
said he would do Alzheimer's research on monkeys and non
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viable humans embryos in hope of figuring out how to
one day edit human embryos in order to prevent the disease.
His great competitor in this field, weirdly enough, is his
ex wife. They appeared to have been married for about
three months.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
By the way, I took a pass on going into
some sort of monkeys with Alzheimer's bit.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
I decided it was distasteful, but good Thank god. Enter
cat is that banana? I had it? Just? Oh no, no, no,
it's not funny. There's no humor there. Enter Kathy Tie
a twenty nine year old Chinese born Canadian thel fellow.
Last year, she co founded a genetic engineering company in
the US that's trying to create All right, there is
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humor to be had here. Just everybody feel free to
join in. She's co founded a genetic engineering company that's
trying to create the next generation of pets, including dragons, unicorns,
and glow in the Dark rabbits.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Well, finally, the long desired need not satisfied for so
many right glowing rabbits.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Tired of misplacing your rabbit at night. Can't tell you
how many times I've stepped on a rabbit in the dark. Right, right, Dragons,
unicorns and glowing the Dark rabbits. But this week she
and Corn interview what sort of sad.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Inbread genetically modified ba horned pet is going to be
the unicorn that comes out of this plant? Good Lord,
you're gonna give that to your daughter for her sixth
birthday and she's gonna shriek in horror.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Well, they're specially designing tanks where narwals can mount female
donkeys until they get it right. Oh uh, anyway, let's see.
Oh so she gave an interview with NPR this week,
I guess, and she said, yeah, we're gonna do that,
and we will explore how to do gene correction in
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human embryos more safely. We want to be the company
that does this in the light, with transparency and with
good intentions.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
So, which is interesting because how many companies around the world,
whether it's in Russia, China, North Korea, or maybe in
our own labs in the United States are doing this secretly.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Probably a lot of people are. So the fact that
you got a guy who has been called Chinese Frankenstein
and the bride of Chinese Frankenstein is in the same
field as just a little too much. That's hurtful. According
to these people, they call what they're doing a Manhattan project.
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The stakes to be fair, writes the journalists. The stakes
here are existential, according to their defenders, designer babies as
they're colloquially colloquially known, or a way to fast track
evolution to that end. Different publication Wall Street Journal inside
Silicon Valley's growing obsession with having smarter babies. Tech execs
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are paying tens of thousands to find brilliant dates or
select high e Q embryos.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
They want to raise high performing children. Why is it
always that? How come they're not looking for a surly
bald man. I can provide that.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
So they mentioned this mathematician who spent seven years researching
how to keep an advanced form of artificial intelligence from
destroying humanity before he declared concluded that stopping it was
not possible at least anytime soon.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
I swar I do agree with that last part. Well, yeah,
and oddly enough, I think this story is proof of
it because I remember in the early days of jeans plicing,
people are like, now we need to be very careful
because we're playing god here, and what if people decided
And it's like, yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
They're doing it now, full speed ahead. They're spending tremendous
amounts of money and our best, brightest minds are one
hundred percent dedicated to this. But anyway, so this AI
doomsday guy said he's now considered turned his considerable brain
power to promoting cutting edge technology to create smarter humans
who will be up to the task of saving us
all in Silicon Valley. Evidently, interest in breeding smarter babies
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is peaking.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
You know what an interesting side to that. I don't
know if they've thought this through. What's your experience with
super smart people? A lot of them are miserable and nuts.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
In my cap yeah, there's a pretty good share of either.
Miserable so antisocially, can't get along with anybody, mental littleness
problems because they're so isolated and they just see the
world so differently than everybody else and or and I
read this at an early age and it made it
was was it Edison? Somebody had this wonderful quote about
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what tools don't bring you success, that it's all about
hard work, and one of them was intelligence unfulfilled. Genius
is a cliche. And so you know, and we're kind
of jumping to the end here, which is fine. She
describes all of the tech CEOs that prefer Ivy League.
(08:03):
They're charging them up to a half million dollars trying
to get them the smartest woman they can or just
her embryos, and blah blah blah, so they can have
the smartest kids they could possibly have. So wild.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
If I was given the choice, and I would never
want to play god like this with my kid anyway,
But if I was given the choice between a kid
with one sixty IQ or average, I'd go average because
I think I'd be like just committing a kid to
a lifetime of.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Misery in large yeah, in large percentages. Yeah, absolutely true. Well,
and then you know the lack of insight and intelligence
and wisdom are separate traits. I'd become completely convinced to
that anyway. Not curiosity absolutely, you're not breeding for curiosity
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or capacity for hard work or morality if that's genetic
morality or dedication to a cost. I'm just thinking from
the perspective of these tech geniuses. Wait a minute, it
was a lot more than intelligence that made you what
you are today. It's all sorts of traits.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
God, it's probably intelligence, probably way down the list of
the reason Elon Musk, Elon Musker, Thomas Edison, or picked
your person was able to do what they did. Like
you said, unfulfilled genius is a cliche. I mean, there's
so many other pieces of the puzzle you gotta have.
(09:31):
And I remember there was a study came out made
a hell of an impression on me. And I'm sure
there's a whole field of this that I'm just not
familiar with. But the different sorts of intelligence, and I
think they separated it into seven different sorts at the.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Time that ranged from like mathematical, musical intelligence, emotional intelligence,
athletic intelligence because it's your brain directing your muscle fibers.
Athletics and learning and adapting and perfecting is skilled. How
is athletic prowess not a form of intelligence since it's
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all driven by your brain anyway, I had an ultimate
point just that the sort of which you're too dumb
to remember it. That's that's a big part of it. Yeah,
but how many of those different aspects of intelligence are
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necessary or even more important than just raw computing power.
So I mean because IQ on one level, which is
impossible to measure, you could describe as just chip speed. Yea,
how fast, how effectively does your brain function, how fast
does it learn? But that's just one of a number
of qualities that I think lead to success, even in
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you know, a field like tech where everybody's a super genius.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
And the history of the world is all technology is
co opted by the military for military or porn. I
don't know how this is going to be affected by porn,
but one of the rare cases where I can't see
a porn application for this, but obviously a military application.
I mean, see all the Marvel movies. If you could
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actually breed a super soldier like Bucky and a Captain
America are in uh those movies.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
China's doing that right now. Yeah, Silicon Valley, they love IQ,
said Kean and Sidegi, founder of Nucleus Genomicks. But again,
what is your life experience that leads you to believe
that extra smart people are who you want around you.
But that's not necessarily what parents elsewhere value most. So
this guy is running one of these companies you talk
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to mom and pap America. Not every parent is like
I want my kid to be you know, a scholar
at Harvard Like, No, I want my kid to be
like Lebron James.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
Wow, Okay, how about you want your kid. I want
my kid to be happy. I want my kid to be,
you know, own a house, be married, to have a
couple of kids, make a living, and be happy.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
That's what I want. I say, why don't we pluck
this fruit from the tree of knowledge and wolf it
down and then enjoy its delicious taste?
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Have any thoughts on the Franken babies text line four
one five two nine five kftc.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Armstrong and Getty.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
Two Chinese ships colliding at high speed. A China Coast
Guard ship with a water canon and a Great Chinese
PLA Navy ship, both appearing to pursue a coast Guard
ship from the Philippines.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
The PLA Navy has been engaging in what so many
US Navy has characterized as pretty unprofessional operations for quite
some time.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
The incident took place near Scarborough Shoal, which both the
Philippines and China claim. Chinese State TV issued this statement
from the China Coast Guard.
Speaker 5 (12:50):
The China Coast Guard took necessary measures such as tracking, monitoring, blocking,
and controlling to drive away the Philippine vessels. On site
operations were professional, all regulated and legitimate.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
All right, are going to Scarborough show, that's where the
incident took place. Uh, Chinese keep pushing and pushing and
pushing to see how the world react.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
And so far the world reacts with that. Darn it.
I wish they wouldn't do that. So New York Times
is an interesting.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
Article today about old mom Danny, the communist would be
mayor of New York.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Mark Hauperen writes in his newsletter today, they're writing about
his inner circle, a list that will frighten the stuffing.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
And but Jesus, out of most.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
People who write this both they are people you've never
heard of them, don't know them, and will be shocked
but not surprised by their resumes and views. Oh hit me,
and so I read through a couple of them. It's
got his entire inner circle, and it's a whole bunch
of different people. Uh but starting with this uh ms
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bisgard Church aged thirty four. Everybody's crazy young, like she's
on the older end, being in the early thirties. Lots
of twenty somethings served as campaign manager during the primary.
Since then, she's been responsible for laying the groundwork for
the mayoral administration. A California native and a Democratic Socialist
member her entire life, completely new to politics when she
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took the job as Mumdanmie's chief of staff straight out
of graduate school. Now widely seen as a right hand man,
she is a big believer in all that stuff he's
been talking about again, first political jobs, straight out of
the university system in California. Ready to apply those insane
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university ideas.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Here's somebody else. Twenty eight years old.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
Senior advisor twenty eight year old said he was skeptical
of Mamdanni's long shot campaign when they first met, but
he quickly became indispensable. He's also helped as an emissary
to this and that, but he's really into the pro
Palestinian views and all that sort of stuff. He kind
of drives that whole deal. Here's another person with Columbia
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ties and is also in their late twenties, twenty seven
year old, and believes in all the stuff with the
government run grocery stores, and so just he plucked. They're
almost all members of the Democratic Socialist Party, which nobody'd
ever paid any attention to. Like, they have been elevated
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from obscurity into the close ranks of a guy who's
almost certainly going to be the mayor of New.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
York City, right right, It's funny. I was just reading
about the Democratic Socialists of America's big convention in which
they had a number of speakers who claimed, among other things,
or have in the past, that America deserved nine to
eleven and denied that Hamas committed atrocities on October seventh.
Lots of that sort of stuff. Yeah, which we can
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either get into this this hour or maybe next hour.
But the Red the so called Red Green Alliance, What
the hell is the deal with the young super progressives
of the Western world.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
Joining with Islamists who are antithetical to everything they claim
to believe. Why would Queers for Palestine exist?
Speaker 1 (16:28):
What the hell is going on there? It's bizarre. Ellen
nay kind of explains how it came to be.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
When they buy their own words, they'll tell you if
you ask them. The Islamists, they would love to hang
you from.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
A crane, yeah, oh yeah, or something worse right at
the end of your suffering. They would hang you for me.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
Like I'm trying to think of a situation where I
would join with somebody who wanted me dead like that
in a political I mean, it's just it's impossible to
come up with an example.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
I think anyway, at some point too, we will have
touch on that. I think it's revealing and interesting.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Here's this woman of Field director twenty somethings socialist helped
a mass of staggering fifty thousand volunteer army for Mamdani
during the campaign, fifty thousand volunteers running in a primary
in one city.
Speaker 6 (17:18):
Armstrong Andngetti, sixty miles north of dunesk Ukrainian villagers listened
to defensive lines breaking down limited Russian advances over the
summer are reportedly accelerating in the days leading up to
Vladimir Putin's planned meeting with President Trump in Anchorage, Alaska.
Ukrainian President Volodimor Zelensky saying today the push is aimed
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at creating a narrative of victory for Russia prior to
its summit with the US.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Tomorro's Moe president. The conversations between Putin and Trump may
be important for the bylater, but they cannot agree on
anything about Ukraine. Zoutas Man.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
The fact that Russia has been able to break through
in the last couple of days while these talks have
been going on is bad luck. There's got to be
some luck involved, because they've been trying to break through
for three years in various spots. I mean, some of
these lines have barely moved it all in years, and
now they've had a pretty decent breakthrough. The only thing
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I can think of is they dedicated, you know, even
more cannon fodder to the effort, or used up resources
they were holding in reserve or something otherwise.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
It is just terrible luck and kind of surprising. Although
the Ukrainians are getting tired, there's no doubt.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
Yeah, do you want to tease your thing eventually? I mean, yeah,
it's what I said just a couple of minutes ago,
really great stuff on a topic I don't recall.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
So stay with us.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
For that, I will see my history as a listeners.
It's going to be interesting, troubling, or hilarious, So I
will stick around for anything. Really, how does Zelensky feel
about Trump's plan to give up territory.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Well, here's a report from Fox. We must return to
the entire territory of Ukraine. We will fight to the
last drop of blood.
Speaker 6 (19:13):
Ukrainian soldiers, echo Zelensky and saying that giving up territory
to Russia is not an option. President Trump feels a
fair landswap is the most plausible path to ending bloodshed.
The possible terms hinge on a ceasefire deal and if
Putin is actually interested in peace.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Gets a feel out meeting to be honest, and so
the President feels like, look, I got to look at
this guy across the table.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
I need to see him face to face.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
I need to hear him one on I need to
make an assessment by looking at him. Well, there's a
lot of interesting stuff there. First of all, what you
said the other day I agree with one hundred percent
and have always thought this stuff about Well, it's a
mistake because it gives them legitimacy.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Oh whatever, whatever.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
That's people who spend too much time in university settings
thinking about things.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
I mean, whatever, good lord.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
Uh so they actually sitting down there, and you know,
Trump is such the colossus really of the world right
now in terms of attention and everything like that. I
like the idea of him sitting there and talking Putin
face to face and seeing if we.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Moved the needle. But two things.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Is Trump holding his cards close to his vest like
we don't know or has he shown them the other day?
And I don't think we played the clip, but the
other day he said, you know, I'll know. I'll talk
to Putin and I'll see if he's interested, and if
he's not interested. When I called Zelensky, I'll just basically say.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Well, good luck.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Wait, So was that is that him just basically showing
his cards, as in, if Trump's not interested.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
In peace, good luck to you.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
I mean, yeah, we're not gonna We're not gonna fix
it for you because he didn't say. And if I
find out Trump's Putin's not interested, then we drop the
hammer and we provide them with you know whatever. Now
I just said, oh, calls Linsky and tell.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Him good luck. Yeah. I don't know what he meant.
It just those those press sprays where he just holds
court and says stuff. It's hard to quote him a
few days later and think that was the policy. But
on negotiations, there's.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
High with negotiations at this high level, would you say that,
I wouldn't think I would. I mean, like, if we
were doing I don't know, salary negotiations with somebody and
I set out loud where they could hear me, you know,
they come back and lowball me.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
I guess we'll just have to take it. No, I
think you do that now. I think you're misinterpreting what
he said. I think the actual quote was, I'll tell
him you got to keep fighting. Good luck, yeah with
with with No, we're and we're going to help you. Okay.
I thought you'd have to throw that in there. But
which is again the downside of Trump shooting off his mouth,
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you know, for hours at a time, virtually every day,
Which is better? No transparency? Is it? Just you can't
take anything that seriously, like normally a president would say.
And if we decide and is not serious about an agreement,
we will inform Zelenski that the fight continues and we
are prepared to blah blah blah, in an official statement.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Ye way, yeah, And so is Zilinsky completely serious about
this or is it a negotiating position? And I've heard
really smart people who follow this very closely have no
idea when he says we're not giving up land. Is
that the official position of the Ukrainian people and their
government with the idea perhaps that if we start giving
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up land, the population is going to turn on us,
because a lot of polling shows still there ain't that
many people for giving up land to Russia. Or is
that just a starting position on a negotiation. I don't
actually know, you know, yeah, it could be just a
very very tough starting position, meaning to give an inch
on this, you're going to have to give me a mile,
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which I understand since it's an existential question for Ukraine.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Although I doubt that I'm alone on this.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
I've gone into various things like buying a house or
a car or whatever, and I had a bottom line
in my head, and I end up moving at some
point because of circumstances.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
So a couple of interesting aspects of this Number one,
I've talked about a couple of times that Russia various
high level spokespeople and legislators and advisors are really floating
the idea that, look, Ukraine is one piece of us
in the US getting together. We have so much to
talk about, including you know, Arctic, you know, navigation and
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drilling rights and blah blah blah. Because we aren't neighbors
with Russia, it's easy to forget that. But if indeed
the Arctic ice cap continues to recede, there's going to
be a hell of a lot of stuff going on
in the Arctic in the next fifty years. So they're
trying to say, look, look, look, we'll give you this
mineral rights and that, and we won't dispeach on those
islands and all, and just give us a little chunky Ukraine.
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And of course the Europeans and Ukrainians hate that idea.
But again, I've talked about that a couple of times.
I've found this interesting. Ever since the summit was announced,
Russian media have been full of stories about US Special
Envoy Steve Witkoff and Dmitriev the who's Dmitriev? The senior putinade.
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There have been all sorts of stories in the papers
about Witcoff and Dimitriev sharing fried dumplings at a restaurant
in the Russian capital h And about the site of
a future Moscow hotel described as a possible Trump Tower
Moscow that the two men visited last week. Hmmm, that's
an interesting one. I hadn't heard. So who knows what
(24:38):
sort of multi faceted assortment of of of shiny baubles
Putin and company are going to dangle in front of
Trump to try to distract him from the main issue
or actually successfully make the question of Ukraine's subordinate to
the US's greater strategic interests, which is what I would
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do if I were Putin, I would do that about
all right, what can we give up that's not nearly
as important to us as expanding our empire into the
parts of the world that used to be our empire.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Would you agree to that if you were an American
concern mostly about American priorities as opposed to Ukrainian priorities.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
I will, you know. I don't have an answer to that,
other than to say you would have to look at it.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
Is there anything wrong with Trump going in there and
doing what's best for the United States and if it
helps Ukraine great?
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Of course? Not, of course not. No, I'm I'm a
real politic, geopolitical realist. I just feel strongly that the
US led norms of the last seventy five years have
been incredibly important in lifting up humanity, and we abandon
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them at our peril.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
There's a video conference I think going on right now
with European leaders. They scheduled this like the day before.
U Zelensky's involved in. Trump's on it, and so we
wonder what Europe's. Europe's lines for what they're willing to
agree to might be completely different than ours.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Right well, and they want to hammer home what Zelensky
tried to clumsily in the Oval office and about God
jd Vance sitting on his chest pounding him with both fists,
and that is that you can't trust a single thing.
Putin says, he only signs agreements to be able to
violate them. That's why he goes ahead. He thinks, Wow, strategically,
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this is great. I'm gonna blindside him now.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
I'm back to arresting Putin and throwing him in the
Anchorage County jail or whatever county is. Had another point, Oh,
so what do you think of Trump's saying yesterday I
will know within two minutes. Whether Putin's serious or not.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
I think he's underestimating Putin. I think you're much better off,
never ever, ever underestimating your opponent. Putin is going to
His entire strategy is convinced Trump I'm serious about this
and an agreement can be reached.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
I feel like his own his entire goal is delay, period,
just delay.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Especially what I said is how he doesn't.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
Especially with this military breakthrough in the last couple of days,
he might be thinking.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Good lord, we broke through like that. You give me
sixty more days before America drops the hammer on sanctions
and maybe arming Ukraine.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
And I think I can make some serious gains here.
So if he can convince Trump on Friday that, boy,
I love your ideas. This is fantastic. I'm gonna take
it back to my people. We'll hit you with a counterproposal.
How about we say November first, will we'll return here?
You know, just tower over many times? How many months
he needs to?
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Yeah, I was gonna say, he's going to go salmon fishing,
He's going to ride a grizzly bear chested for the
photo op.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
He's going to go play a hockey match where he
scores six goals right, exactly against pros who are inexplicably
paralyzed on defense.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
But and then he will hit Trump with a seven
point plan. Well, he'll say, look, here are the broad
eyelines of it. I'm going to get you a seven
point plan within a month. Six of those points are
fairly reasonable. The seventh is utterly unacceptable. Right, and he
will cling to that seventh point and refuse to negotiate
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much in six months will pass? Just will Trump fall
for that?
Speaker 3 (28:45):
Surely Trump's done enough deals where people were trying to delay,
and you know he didn't put.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Up with it. Surely he has. I mean, he's just
said this over and over in recent weeks. He keeps
tapping me a lot. Everything he says is bull less. Right, Well, Putin,
here's that. Putin is the king of adapting strategy and
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understanding psychology.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
If you hear frustration in my voice, it's because I
think that's the most likely outcome. I mean, if I
had to bet money, they come out of it with
a had a great conversation. We're gonna meet again on
a ridiculously far away date. I don't understand why these
things always go so slow.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
But the date for when they reconvene. It wouldn't be
sh wouldn't shock me. If it's not January first, then
they'll they'll reconvene and discuss this, and it'll just be
the whole world will know, Oh God, we all know
what's going on here. Yeah. I don't think it'll be
that obvious. I think Putin knows what you just said,
and he'll say, Wow, we are close to the deal
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of all deals, the legacy deal for you, dear Donald,
this is history making. Just got to hash out a
few details. We'll have our people get together tomorrow and
get back to work on this. That's a good idea.
See a schedule a meeting for September first.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
But then all of a sudden you get a you.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Need a colon oskby, I got an appointment. No, it's
just that these things are difficult to work out. You
string it along like the whole idiotic waste of time
Hamas discussions going on in a cutter. Please, that's how
you do it. You just drag your feet. Yes, Michael,
do you think they'll do the usual photo op stuff
where they're shaking hands and raising I hope not.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
I don't I don't want to see Trump and Putin
smiling side by side. The guy is ordering the bombings
of grade schools.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Yeah, wouldn't surprise me. Horrifying.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
I I don't see Zelenski and Putin ever meeting. Trump
wants that to happen. Great stuff coming up next hour.
Why are Marxists getting together with his Lombists? How did
that all get started? Coming up sooner than that? People
are annoyed with technology and they're hitting it with racial slurs.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
What does it mean? They're calling like you drop an
in bomb on? They might as well be racial slurs.
It's the same thing the linguists. I see what you mean.
That's fantastic.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
Okay, that's coming up next.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
Kindam shift might be in trouble.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
I sure hope, So maybe we'll talk about that more
an hour four.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
It gladdens the heart when bad things happen to bad people,
doesn't it. It does. Got the smallest than his neck
I've ever seen again, the sinnekedness really looming large for Trump.
So what's a clanker? Clanker is a word that has
emerged recently and gained a fair amount of popularity, especially online,
which is where everything happens, which reminds me is making
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us all insane. Maybe we get to that next hour. Anyway,
it seems to have popped up from a Star Wars
video game, but it's become so popular people on TikTok
a posting videos of people harassing robots on sidewalks and
in stores, yelling you're get out of my way, clanker,
you're a clanker. Senator Ruben Diego Democrat Arizona used the
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term last week to tout a new piece of legislation.
Quote sick of yelling representative into the phone ten times
just to talk to a human. My new bill make
sure you don't have to talk to a clanker if
you don't want to. Wow, they'd make that against the law.
I don't like that. What now? Oh shouting?
Speaker 2 (32:44):
No?
Speaker 3 (32:44):
The company ought to be able to automate if they
want to. And if a company can make more money
by having human beings answer the phone, then yeah, I have.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
No idea what the legislation represents, but I agree with
you on that. So anyway, and they talk about people
using it on the street and yelling at robotsla blah blah.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Yelling robots stupid, blank and clanker then they point out
a slur, as generally defined as a word or phrase
meant to integrate a person based on their membership to
a particular group such as race, gen.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
Or religion, one that goes beyond rudeness into overt bigotry.
They're almost always directed at people, but now it's being
directed like a slur at technology. And according to scientists
who really ought to get real jobs, this sort of scientist,
they offer some sense that people want to put down
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the machines and recognize their ascension in society, including this
one linguist who is also a content creator, therefore not
to be trusted. He focused on how the Internet is
shaping language. The use of clanker emerged us a couple
of months ago. It's use mirrored classic slurs related to
racial tropes and appear to emerge out of a growing
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cultural need related to growing unease with where advanced technology
is hit headinge, it's one thing, Yes, have its feelings hurt?
Can it be a derogatory term? Well, that's where the
overthinking comes along. What he says, and I found this
somewhat interesting is what we're doing is we're anthropomorphosizing and
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personifying and simplifying the concept of AI, reducing it into
an analogy of a human and kind of playing into
the same tropes.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
Yes well, as I mentioned earlier, I asked my Tesla
a question as I was driving down the freeway yesterday.
I asked Groc, and Groc talked to me in a
pleasant woman's voice and basically said.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
Good luck, have a good day.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
She said to me, I mean, how would you not
anthropomorphize that. It's trying as hard as it can to sound.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Like a human. And then the alleged linguist says, naturally,
when we trend in that direction, it does play into
those tropes of how people have treated marginalized communities before.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
It seems like somebody looking for a minor problem where
major problems.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Exist, you know, is interesting, and they find like one
minority person who thinks, yeah, it reminds me of racial slurs.
I'm not comfortable with it. Whatever I think it might
also indicate. And obviously we're anti racism around here. We're
against racism. We're not anti racist, which means you're a
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racist and a Marxist. But anyway, the fact that human
beings have that reaction to something new that they perceive
as threatening, is as deep within us as anything in
our DNA, so we're thinking about Armstrong and Getty
Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio the George
Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty Armstrong and
Jetty and he Armstrong and Getty.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Spirit Airlines warned investors that they might not be able
to survive if they don't raise more money.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Not really the.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
News you want to see mid flight on your seatback screen.
It's like, yeah, Spirit is really struggling.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
It's not a good sign.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
When the flight attendants come around asking you for food
and blankets.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
You have anything I could eat?
Speaker 3 (00:47):
How are you going to finish that? I have not
flown Spirit Airlines. That's an East Coast thing, nor have
I Yeah. Yeah, they're big on the East Coast.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Yeah, the super cut rate cattle car, you know, which
is fine if you need to get somewhere and cheap
is all you care about, you know? Fair enough? You've
flown Spirit Airlines, Katie, unfortunately, Yes? And huge. Did you
destroy yours? Yes? And it is huge for Vegas flying.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
So you'll see a lot of party animals headed to
and a lot of hangovers headed back. Okay, Yeah, I
mean Southwest is so bare bones. It's always hard for
me to picture something more bare bones. Than that, but
apparently spirit is.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
So.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
The story is entitled The Bride of Chinese Frankenstein. I
mean you got Chinese Frankenstein. Of course you got to
have his bride and the race to make designer babies.
Some great coverage in the Free press about a very
very odd story.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
This guy's name is Huge Young Q. I'm sure I'm
mispronouncing that this guy is semi infamous. You may actually
recall the story that he actually was a brilliant student,
left China, went to Stanford, and went back to China,
(02:04):
and he ultimately got arrested and jailed for three years
for illegal medical practices he had. He announced in twenty
eighteen that he had created the world's first gene edited babies,
twin girls. He said he designed to have a trait
very few humans are born with immunity to HIV. They
called me Chinese Frankenstein. He told me, I didn't know, journalist,
(02:28):
I didn't know what you were going to say.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
They were edited to have a trait no human beings
have had, if they could fly or see through walls
or what it was going to be.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
No, turns out it's immunity the HIV, which is you know,
certainly lovely so anyway, but China jailed him partly because
it was so incredibly controversial. And now though he is
still in China not supposed to leave, he's getting together
financing to open a lab in Austin, Texas. There he
said he would do Alzheimer's research on monkeys and non
(02:59):
viable humans embryos in hope of figuring out how to
one day edit human embryos in order to prevent the disease.
His great competitor in this field, weirdly enough, is his
ex wife. They appeared to have been married for about
three months.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
By the way, I took a pass on going into
some sort of monkeys with Alzheimer's bit.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
I decided it was distasteful, but good Thank god. Enter
cat is that banana? I had it? Just? Oh no, no, no,
it's not funny. There's no humor there. Enter Kathy Tie
a twenty nine year old Chinese born Canadian thel fellow.
Last year, she co founded a genetic engineering company in
the US that's trying to create All right, there is
(03:40):
humor to be had here. Just everybody feel free to
join in. She's co founded a genetic engineering company that's
trying to create the next generation of pets, including dragons, unicorns,
and glow in the Dark rabbits.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Well, finally, the long desired need not satisfied for so
many right glowing rabbits.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Tired of misplacing your rabbit at night. Can't tell you
how many times I've stepped on a rabbit in the dark. Right, right, Dragons,
unicorns and glowing the Dark rabbits. But this week she
and Corn interview what sort of sad.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Inbread genetically modified ba horned pet is going to be
the unicorn that comes out of this plant? Good Lord,
you're gonna give that to your daughter for her sixth
birthday and she's gonna shriek in horror.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Well, they're specially designing tanks where narwals can mount female
donkeys until they get it right. Oh uh, anyway, let's see.
Oh so she gave an interview with NPR this week,
I guess, and she said, yeah, we're gonna do that,
and we will explore how to do gene correction in
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human embryos more safely. We want to be the company
that does this in the light, with transparency and with
good intentions.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
So, which is interesting because how many companies around the world,
whether it's in Russia, China, North Korea, or maybe in
our own labs in the United States are doing this secretly.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Probably a lot of people are. So the fact that
you got a guy who has been called Chinese Frankenstein
and the bride of Chinese Frankenstein is in the same
field as just a little too much. That's hurtful. According
to these people, they call what they're doing a Manhattan project.
(05:33):
The stakes to be fair, writes the journalists. The stakes
here are existential, according to their defenders, designer babies as
they're colloquially colloquially known, or a way to fast track
evolution to that end. Different publication Wall Street Journal inside
Silicon Valley's growing obsession with having smarter babies. Tech execs
(05:55):
are paying tens of thousands to find brilliant dates or
select high e Q embryos.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
They want to raise high performing children. Why is it
always that? How come they're not looking for a surly
bald man. I can provide that.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
So they mentioned this mathematician who spent seven years researching
how to keep an advanced form of artificial intelligence from
destroying humanity before he declared concluded that stopping it was
not possible at least anytime soon.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
I swar I do agree with that last part. Well, yeah,
and oddly enough, I think this story is proof of
it because I remember in the early days of jeans plicing,
people are like, now we need to be very careful
because we're playing god here, and what if people decided
And it's like, yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
They're doing it now, full speed ahead. They're spending tremendous
amounts of money and our best, brightest minds are one
hundred percent dedicated to this. But anyway, so this AI
doomsday guy said he's now considered turned his considerable brain
power to promoting cutting edge technology to create smarter humans
who will be up to the task of saving us
all in Silicon Valley. Evidently, interest in breeding smarter babies
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is peaking.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
You know what an interesting side to that. I don't
know if they've thought this through. What's your experience with
super smart people? A lot of them are miserable and nuts.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
In my cap yeah, there's a pretty good share of either.
Miserable so antisocially, can't get along with anybody, mental littleness
problems because they're so isolated and they just see the
world so differently than everybody else and or and I
read this at an early age and it made it
was was it Edison? Somebody had this wonderful quote about
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what tools don't bring you success, that it's all about
hard work, and one of them was intelligence unfulfilled. Genius
is a cliche. And so you know, and we're kind
of jumping to the end here, which is fine. She
describes all of the tech CEOs that prefer Ivy League.
(08:03):
They're charging them up to a half million dollars trying
to get them the smartest woman they can or just
her embryos, and blah blah blah, so they can have
the smartest kids they could possibly have. So wild.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
If I was given the choice, and I would never
want to play god like this with my kid anyway,
But if I was given the choice between a kid
with one sixty IQ or average, I'd go average because
I think I'd be like just committing a kid to
a lifetime of.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Misery in large yeah, in large percentages. Yeah, absolutely true. Well,
and then you know the lack of insight and intelligence
and wisdom are separate traits. I'd become completely convinced to
that anyway. Not curiosity absolutely, you're not breeding for curiosity
(08:53):
or capacity for hard work or morality if that's genetic
morality or dedication to a cost. I'm just thinking from
the perspective of these tech geniuses. Wait a minute, it
was a lot more than intelligence that made you what
you are today. It's all sorts of traits.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
God, it's probably intelligence, probably way down the list of
the reason Elon Musk, Elon Musker, Thomas Edison, or picked
your person was able to do what they did. Like
you said, unfulfilled genius is a cliche. I mean, there's
so many other pieces of the puzzle you gotta have.
(09:31):
And I remember there was a study came out made
a hell of an impression on me. And I'm sure
there's a whole field of this that I'm just not
familiar with. But the different sorts of intelligence, and I
think they separated it into seven different sorts at the.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Time that ranged from like mathematical, musical intelligence, emotional intelligence,
athletic intelligence because it's your brain directing your muscle fibers.
Athletics and learning and adapting and perfecting is skilled. How
is athletic prowess not a form of intelligence since it's
(10:04):
all driven by your brain anyway, I had an ultimate
point just that the sort of which you're too dumb
to remember it. That's that's a big part of it. Yeah,
but how many of those different aspects of intelligence are
(10:25):
necessary or even more important than just raw computing power.
So I mean because IQ on one level, which is
impossible to measure, you could describe as just chip speed. Yea,
how fast, how effectively does your brain function, how fast
does it learn? But that's just one of a number
of qualities that I think lead to success, even in
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you know, a field like tech where everybody's a super genius.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
And the history of the world is all technology is
co opted by the military for military or porn. I
don't know how this is going to be affected by porn,
but one of the rare cases where I can't see
a porn application for this, but obviously a military application.
I mean, see all the Marvel movies. If you could
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actually breed a super soldier like Bucky and a Captain
America are in uh those movies.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
China's doing that right now. Yeah, Silicon Valley, they love IQ,
said Kean and Sidegi, founder of Nucleus Genomicks. But again,
what is your life experience that leads you to believe
that extra smart people are who you want around you.
But that's not necessarily what parents elsewhere value most. So
this guy is running one of these companies you talk
(11:41):
to mom and pap America. Not every parent is like
I want my kid to be you know, a scholar
at Harvard Like, No, I want my kid to be
like Lebron James.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
Wow, Okay, how about you want your kid. I want
my kid to be happy. I want my kid to be,
you know, own a house, be married, to have a
couple of kids, make a living, and be happy.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
That's what I want. I say, why don't we pluck
this fruit from the tree of knowledge and wolf it
down and then enjoy its delicious taste?
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Have any thoughts on the Franken babies text line four
one five two nine five kftc.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Armstrong and Getty.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
Two Chinese ships colliding at high speed. A China Coast
Guard ship with a water canon and a Great Chinese
PLA Navy ship, both appearing to pursue a coast Guard
ship from the Philippines.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
The PLA Navy has been engaging in what so many
US Navy has characterized as pretty unprofessional operations for quite
some time.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
The incident took place near Scarborough Shoal, which both the
Philippines and China claim. Chinese State TV issued this statement
from the China Coast Guard.
Speaker 5 (12:50):
The China Coast Guard took necessary measures such as tracking, monitoring, blocking,
and controlling to drive away the Philippine vessels. On site
operations were professional, all regulated and legitimate.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
All right, are going to Scarborough show, that's where the
incident took place. Uh, Chinese keep pushing and pushing and
pushing to see how the world react.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
And so far the world reacts with that. Darn it.
I wish they wouldn't do that. So New York Times
is an interesting.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
Article today about old mom Danny, the communist would be
mayor of New York.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Mark Hauperen writes in his newsletter today, they're writing about
his inner circle, a list that will frighten the stuffing.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
And but Jesus, out of most.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
People who write this both they are people you've never
heard of them, don't know them, and will be shocked
but not surprised by their resumes and views. Oh hit me,
and so I read through a couple of them. It's
got his entire inner circle, and it's a whole bunch
of different people. Uh but starting with this uh ms
(14:01):
bisgard Church aged thirty four. Everybody's crazy young, like she's
on the older end, being in the early thirties. Lots
of twenty somethings served as campaign manager during the primary.
Since then, she's been responsible for laying the groundwork for
the mayoral administration. A California native and a Democratic Socialist
member her entire life, completely new to politics when she
(14:24):
took the job as Mumdanmie's chief of staff straight out
of graduate school. Now widely seen as a right hand man,
she is a big believer in all that stuff he's
been talking about again, first political jobs, straight out of
the university system in California. Ready to apply those insane
(14:44):
university ideas.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Here's somebody else. Twenty eight years old.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
Senior advisor twenty eight year old said he was skeptical
of Mamdanni's long shot campaign when they first met, but
he quickly became indispensable. He's also helped as an emissary
to this and that, but he's really into the pro
Palestinian views and all that sort of stuff. He kind
of drives that whole deal. Here's another person with Columbia
(15:12):
ties and is also in their late twenties, twenty seven
year old, and believes in all the stuff with the
government run grocery stores, and so just he plucked. They're
almost all members of the Democratic Socialist Party, which nobody'd
ever paid any attention to. Like, they have been elevated
(15:33):
from obscurity into the close ranks of a guy who's
almost certainly going to be the mayor of New.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
York City, right right, It's funny. I was just reading
about the Democratic Socialists of America's big convention in which
they had a number of speakers who claimed, among other things,
or have in the past, that America deserved nine to
eleven and denied that Hamas committed atrocities on October seventh.
Lots of that sort of stuff. Yeah, which we can
(16:00):
either get into this this hour or maybe next hour.
But the Red the so called Red Green Alliance, What
the hell is the deal with the young super progressives
of the Western world.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
Joining with Islamists who are antithetical to everything they claim
to believe. Why would Queers for Palestine exist?
Speaker 1 (16:28):
What the hell is going on there? It's bizarre. Ellen
nay kind of explains how it came to be.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
When they buy their own words, they'll tell you if
you ask them. The Islamists, they would love to hang
you from.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
A crane, yeah, oh yeah, or something worse right at
the end of your suffering. They would hang you for me.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
Like I'm trying to think of a situation where I
would join with somebody who wanted me dead like that
in a political I mean, it's just it's impossible to
come up with an example.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
I think anyway, at some point too, we will have
touch on that. I think it's revealing and interesting.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Here's this woman of Field director twenty somethings socialist helped
a mass of staggering fifty thousand volunteer army for Mamdani
during the campaign, fifty thousand volunteers running in a primary
in one city.
Speaker 6 (17:18):
Armstrong Andngetti, sixty miles north of dunesk Ukrainian villagers listened
to defensive lines breaking down limited Russian advances over the
summer are reportedly accelerating in the days leading up to
Vladimir Putin's planned meeting with President Trump in Anchorage, Alaska.
Ukrainian President Volodimor Zelensky saying today the push is aimed
(17:41):
at creating a narrative of victory for Russia prior to
its summit with the US.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Tomorro's Moe president. The conversations between Putin and Trump may
be important for the bylater, but they cannot agree on
anything about Ukraine. Zoutas Man.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
The fact that Russia has been able to break through
in the last couple of days while these talks have
been going on is bad luck. There's got to be
some luck involved, because they've been trying to break through
for three years in various spots. I mean, some of
these lines have barely moved it all in years, and
now they've had a pretty decent breakthrough. The only thing
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I can think of is they dedicated, you know, even
more cannon fodder to the effort, or used up resources
they were holding in reserve or something otherwise.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
It is just terrible luck and kind of surprising. Although
the Ukrainians are getting tired, there's no doubt.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
Yeah, do you want to tease your thing eventually? I mean, yeah,
it's what I said just a couple of minutes ago,
really great stuff on a topic I don't recall.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
So stay with us.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
For that, I will see my history as a listeners.
It's going to be interesting, troubling, or hilarious, So I
will stick around for anything. Really, how does Zelensky feel
about Trump's plan to give up territory.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Well, here's a report from Fox. We must return to
the entire territory of Ukraine. We will fight to the
last drop of blood.
Speaker 6 (19:13):
Ukrainian soldiers, echo Zelensky and saying that giving up territory
to Russia is not an option. President Trump feels a
fair landswap is the most plausible path to ending bloodshed.
The possible terms hinge on a ceasefire deal and if
Putin is actually interested in peace.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Gets a feel out meeting to be honest, and so
the President feels like, look, I got to look at
this guy across the table.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
I need to see him face to face.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
I need to hear him one on I need to
make an assessment by looking at him. Well, there's a
lot of interesting stuff there. First of all, what you
said the other day I agree with one hundred percent
and have always thought this stuff about Well, it's a
mistake because it gives them legitimacy.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Oh whatever, whatever.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
That's people who spend too much time in university settings
thinking about things.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
I mean, whatever, good lord.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
Uh so they actually sitting down there, and you know,
Trump is such the colossus really of the world right
now in terms of attention and everything like that. I
like the idea of him sitting there and talking Putin
face to face and seeing if we.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Moved the needle. But two things.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Is Trump holding his cards close to his vest like
we don't know or has he shown them the other day?
And I don't think we played the clip, but the
other day he said, you know, I'll know. I'll talk
to Putin and I'll see if he's interested, and if
he's not interested. When I called Zelensky, I'll just basically say.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Well, good luck.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Wait, So was that is that him just basically showing
his cards, as in, if Trump's not interested.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
In peace, good luck to you.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
I mean, yeah, we're not gonna We're not gonna fix
it for you because he didn't say. And if I
find out Trump's Putin's not interested, then we drop the
hammer and we provide them with you know whatever. Now
I just said, oh, calls Linsky and tell.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Him good luck. Yeah. I don't know what he meant.
It just those those press sprays where he just holds
court and says stuff. It's hard to quote him a
few days later and think that was the policy. But
on negotiations, there's.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
High with negotiations at this high level, would you say that,
I wouldn't think I would. I mean, like, if we
were doing I don't know, salary negotiations with somebody and
I set out loud where they could hear me, you know,
they come back and lowball me.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
I guess we'll just have to take it. No, I
think you do that now. I think you're misinterpreting what
he said. I think the actual quote was, I'll tell
him you got to keep fighting. Good luck, yeah with
with with No, we're and we're going to help you. Okay.
I thought you'd have to throw that in there. But
which is again the downside of Trump shooting off his mouth,
(21:47):
you know, for hours at a time, virtually every day,
Which is better? No transparency? Is it? Just you can't
take anything that seriously, like normally a president would say.
And if we decide and is not serious about an agreement,
we will inform Zelenski that the fight continues and we
are prepared to blah blah blah, in an official statement.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Ye way, yeah, And so is Zilinsky completely serious about
this or is it a negotiating position? And I've heard
really smart people who follow this very closely have no
idea when he says we're not giving up land. Is
that the official position of the Ukrainian people and their
government with the idea perhaps that if we start giving
(22:32):
up land, the population is going to turn on us,
because a lot of polling shows still there ain't that
many people for giving up land to Russia. Or is
that just a starting position on a negotiation. I don't
actually know, you know, yeah, it could be just a
very very tough starting position, meaning to give an inch
on this, you're going to have to give me a mile,
(22:53):
which I understand since it's an existential question for Ukraine.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Although I doubt that I'm alone on this.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
I've gone into various things like buying a house or
a car or whatever, and I had a bottom line
in my head, and I end up moving at some
point because of circumstances.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
So a couple of interesting aspects of this Number one,
I've talked about a couple of times that Russia various
high level spokespeople and legislators and advisors are really floating
the idea that, look, Ukraine is one piece of us
in the US getting together. We have so much to
talk about, including you know, Arctic, you know, navigation and
(23:33):
drilling rights and blah blah blah. Because we aren't neighbors
with Russia, it's easy to forget that. But if indeed
the Arctic ice cap continues to recede, there's going to
be a hell of a lot of stuff going on
in the Arctic in the next fifty years. So they're
trying to say, look, look, look, we'll give you this
mineral rights and that, and we won't dispeach on those
islands and all, and just give us a little chunky Ukraine.
(23:53):
And of course the Europeans and Ukrainians hate that idea.
But again, I've talked about that a couple of times.
I've found this interesting. Ever since the summit was announced,
Russian media have been full of stories about US Special
Envoy Steve Witkoff and Dmitriev the who's Dmitriev? The senior putinade.
(24:17):
There have been all sorts of stories in the papers
about Witcoff and Dimitriev sharing fried dumplings at a restaurant
in the Russian capital h And about the site of
a future Moscow hotel described as a possible Trump Tower
Moscow that the two men visited last week. Hmmm, that's
an interesting one. I hadn't heard. So who knows what
(24:38):
sort of multi faceted assortment of of of shiny baubles
Putin and company are going to dangle in front of
Trump to try to distract him from the main issue
or actually successfully make the question of Ukraine's subordinate to
the US's greater strategic interests, which is what I would
(25:01):
do if I were Putin, I would do that about
all right, what can we give up that's not nearly
as important to us as expanding our empire into the
parts of the world that used to be our empire.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Would you agree to that if you were an American
concern mostly about American priorities as opposed to Ukrainian priorities.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
I will, you know. I don't have an answer to that,
other than to say you would have to look at it.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
Is there anything wrong with Trump going in there and
doing what's best for the United States and if it
helps Ukraine great?
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Of course? Not, of course not. No, I'm I'm a
real politic, geopolitical realist. I just feel strongly that the
US led norms of the last seventy five years have
been incredibly important in lifting up humanity, and we abandon
(25:57):
them at our peril.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
There's a video conference I think going on right now
with European leaders. They scheduled this like the day before.
U Zelensky's involved in. Trump's on it, and so we
wonder what Europe's. Europe's lines for what they're willing to
agree to might be completely different than ours.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Right well, and they want to hammer home what Zelensky
tried to clumsily in the Oval office and about God
jd Vance sitting on his chest pounding him with both fists,
and that is that you can't trust a single thing.
Putin says, he only signs agreements to be able to
violate them. That's why he goes ahead. He thinks, Wow, strategically,
(26:42):
this is great. I'm gonna blindside him now.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
I'm back to arresting Putin and throwing him in the
Anchorage County jail or whatever county is. Had another point, Oh,
so what do you think of Trump's saying yesterday I
will know within two minutes. Whether Putin's serious or not.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
I think he's underestimating Putin. I think you're much better off,
never ever, ever underestimating your opponent. Putin is going to
His entire strategy is convinced Trump I'm serious about this
and an agreement can be reached.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
I feel like his own his entire goal is delay, period,
just delay.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Especially what I said is how he doesn't.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
Especially with this military breakthrough in the last couple of days,
he might be thinking.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Good lord, we broke through like that. You give me
sixty more days before America drops the hammer on sanctions
and maybe arming Ukraine.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
And I think I can make some serious gains here.
So if he can convince Trump on Friday that, boy,
I love your ideas. This is fantastic. I'm gonna take
it back to my people. We'll hit you with a counterproposal.
How about we say November first, will we'll return here?
You know, just tower over many times? How many months
he needs to?
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Yeah, I was gonna say, he's going to go salmon fishing,
He's going to ride a grizzly bear chested for the
photo op.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
He's going to go play a hockey match where he
scores six goals right, exactly against pros who are inexplicably
paralyzed on defense.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
But and then he will hit Trump with a seven
point plan. Well, he'll say, look, here are the broad
eyelines of it. I'm going to get you a seven
point plan within a month. Six of those points are
fairly reasonable. The seventh is utterly unacceptable. Right, and he
will cling to that seventh point and refuse to negotiate
(28:40):
much in six months will pass? Just will Trump fall
for that?
Speaker 3 (28:45):
Surely Trump's done enough deals where people were trying to delay,
and you know he didn't put.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Up with it. Surely he has. I mean, he's just
said this over and over in recent weeks. He keeps
tapping me a lot. Everything he says is bull less. Right, Well, Putin,
here's that. Putin is the king of adapting strategy and
(29:12):
understanding psychology.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
If you hear frustration in my voice, it's because I
think that's the most likely outcome. I mean, if I
had to bet money, they come out of it with
a had a great conversation. We're gonna meet again on
a ridiculously far away date. I don't understand why these
things always go so slow.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
But the date for when they reconvene. It wouldn't be
sh wouldn't shock me. If it's not January first, then
they'll they'll reconvene and discuss this, and it'll just be
the whole world will know, Oh God, we all know
what's going on here. Yeah. I don't think it'll be
that obvious. I think Putin knows what you just said,
and he'll say, Wow, we are close to the deal
(29:53):
of all deals, the legacy deal for you, dear Donald,
this is history making. Just got to hash out a
few details. We'll have our people get together tomorrow and
get back to work on this. That's a good idea.
See a schedule a meeting for September first.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
But then all of a sudden you get a you.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Need a colon oskby, I got an appointment. No, it's
just that these things are difficult to work out. You
string it along like the whole idiotic waste of time
Hamas discussions going on in a cutter. Please, that's how
you do it. You just drag your feet. Yes, Michael,
do you think they'll do the usual photo op stuff
where they're shaking hands and raising I hope not.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
I don't I don't want to see Trump and Putin
smiling side by side. The guy is ordering the bombings
of grade schools.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Yeah, wouldn't surprise me. Horrifying.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
I I don't see Zelenski and Putin ever meeting. Trump
wants that to happen. Great stuff coming up next hour.
Why are Marxists getting together with his Lombists? How did
that all get started? Coming up sooner than that? People
are annoyed with technology and they're hitting it with racial slurs.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
What does it mean? They're calling like you drop an
in bomb on? They might as well be racial slurs.
It's the same thing the linguists. I see what you mean.
That's fantastic.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
Okay, that's coming up next.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
Kindam shift might be in trouble.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
I sure hope, So maybe we'll talk about that more
an hour four.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
It gladdens the heart when bad things happen to bad people,
doesn't it. It does. Got the smallest than his neck
I've ever seen again, the sinnekedness really looming large for Trump.
So what's a clanker? Clanker is a word that has
emerged recently and gained a fair amount of popularity, especially online,
which is where everything happens, which reminds me is making
(32:01):
us all insane. Maybe we get to that next hour. Anyway,
it seems to have popped up from a Star Wars
video game, but it's become so popular people on TikTok
a posting videos of people harassing robots on sidewalks and
in stores, yelling you're get out of my way, clanker,
you're a clanker. Senator Ruben Diego Democrat Arizona used the
(32:24):
term last week to tout a new piece of legislation.
Quote sick of yelling representative into the phone ten times
just to talk to a human. My new bill make
sure you don't have to talk to a clanker if
you don't want to. Wow, they'd make that against the law.
I don't like that. What now? Oh shouting?
Speaker 2 (32:44):
No?
Speaker 3 (32:44):
The company ought to be able to automate if they
want to. And if a company can make more money
by having human beings answer the phone, then yeah, I have.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
No idea what the legislation represents, but I agree with
you on that. So anyway, and they talk about people
using it on the street and yelling at robotsla blah blah.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Yelling robots stupid, blank and clanker then they point out
a slur, as generally defined as a word or phrase
meant to integrate a person based on their membership to
a particular group such as race, gen.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
Or religion, one that goes beyond rudeness into overt bigotry.
They're almost always directed at people, but now it's being
directed like a slur at technology. And according to scientists
who really ought to get real jobs, this sort of scientist,
they offer some sense that people want to put down
(33:32):
the machines and recognize their ascension in society, including this
one linguist who is also a content creator, therefore not
to be trusted. He focused on how the Internet is
shaping language. The use of clanker emerged us a couple
of months ago. It's use mirrored classic slurs related to
racial tropes and appear to emerge out of a growing
(33:53):
cultural need related to growing unease with where advanced technology
is hit headinge, it's one thing, Yes, have its feelings hurt?
Can it be a derogatory term? Well, that's where the
overthinking comes along. What he says, and I found this
somewhat interesting is what we're doing is we're anthropomorphosizing and
(34:16):
personifying and simplifying the concept of AI, reducing it into
an analogy of a human and kind of playing into
the same tropes.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
Yes well, as I mentioned earlier, I asked my Tesla
a question as I was driving down the freeway yesterday.
I asked Groc, and Groc talked to me in a
pleasant woman's voice and basically said.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
Good luck, have a good day.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
She said to me, I mean, how would you not
anthropomorphize that. It's trying as hard as it can to sound.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Like a human. And then the alleged linguist says, naturally,
when we trend in that direction, it does play into
those tropes of how people have treated marginalized communities before.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
It seems like somebody looking for a minor problem where
major problems.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Exist, you know, is interesting, and they find like one
minority person who thinks, yeah, it reminds me of racial slurs.
I'm not comfortable with it. Whatever I think it might
also indicate. And obviously we're anti racism around here. We're
against racism. We're not anti racist, which means you're a
(35:19):
racist and a Marxist. But anyway, the fact that human
beings have that reaction to something new that they perceive
as threatening, is as deep within us as anything in
our DNA, so we're thinking about Armstrong and Getty
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