September 15, 2025 • 35 mins
Hour 1 of A&G features...
- Jack's big question & the Emmys
- Katie Green's Headlines!
- Reactions to Charlie Kirk's assassination
- Mailbag!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George
Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe, Katty Armstrong and
Jettie and now he.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Is Armstrong and Yeddy.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Live from studio seat see Senior, a dimly lit room
deeper in the bowels of the Armstrong and Getty Communications Compound.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
And hey y'all, today Monday, brand.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
New week that were kicking off or under the tutelage
of our general manager, the Charlie Kirk conversation far from over.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Yeah, God, I would say so.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
Every single news outlet I took in today, including NPR,
led with something Charlie Kirk related.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Virtually everybody I ran into in real life wanted to talk.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
About it over the weekend.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
I have some strange and troubling anecdotes from real life
about that.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
So I just came across this before I get to
my big question. The Jack's big question is what I
call it? Oh, this's early in the show. The Emmys
didn't mention Charlie Kirk. Wow, okay, wow, didn't mention it
at all. I can so picture that process, Yes, so
(01:23):
can I, And I can I can sew as I
think about it because I just read that. I hadn't
really thought about it, But so all but five NFL
games had a moment of silence home games yesterday, the
home stadium. Now, I don't know how many NFL games
there are on a Sunday. There are thirty teams. You
cut them in half, that's fifteen. A quarter of them
get a bye. So maybe you got.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Ten games on a Sunday something like that, because it's
one of Thursdays, so maybe only eight. So about half
of them had some sort of moment of silence at
the stadium.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
No mention on the Emmys. Wow.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
But the process that I mentioned that I picture and
I'm damn sure I'm right, is some bodies said, you know,
we probably ought to mention it, pay our respects in
some way. And somebody else said, well, a guy was evil.
Who's a bad guy, I mean, he was terrible. Why
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would we respect him like that? And they went round
and round and round, and then just decided, all right,
let's do nothing.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
And or.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
If we mentioned him and have a moment of silence,
half the crowd is gonna boo oh, and that would
be worse than not doing anything right, which is probably
true for your look the imman. Nobody gives a crap
about the emm He's certainly nobody than our audience, but really, Emmys.
So I watched the first part of it. Your first presenter.
(02:47):
The first thing that happens.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Yeah, the host of the Late Show, Stephen Colbert, and
everybody goes to their feet and it's a ridiculously long
standing over for Steven Colbert, who obviously was fired for
bad mounting trump standing ovation. He had trouble getting the
calm down enough that he could even get to what
he had to say.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Wow, first guest, I thought.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
First thing, you just you announced to America anybody in
right America that was watching the Envies, and it probably
were few, but announce them.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
This show isn't for you. I just want to make
sure you know this show is not for you. Not
only that we'd prefer you didn't watch. I mean go
away about that.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
You know that's funny as you brought up Colbert, and
I was reminded of a couple of things. Number one
that his show is a little watched, and number two,
I was like, oh, wasn't there some sort of weak
He's a martyr for progressive America angle right, Yeah, that's
the whole merger deal.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
So just the most thunderous standing ovation.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
We'll play it for you later, and then later he wins,
of course for Best Variety Show, which he did win
on a regular basis, but of course he was gonna
win this year. Do you know Jimmy Kimmel took out
a billboard in Los Angeles saying vote for Stephen Colbert
for Emmy for the so and more thunderous applause for
(04:10):
the years.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
So just just.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
Just that sort of thing that we're still, you know,
not that tribalism was going to end with the assassination
of Charlie Kirk, but right from the beginning last night,
then no moment of silence. But here's my question, Jack's
big question obscured Jack's big question. I meant to lead
with this. Is it just a coincidence that a student
(04:34):
asked a question about transactivists and shootings when Charlie Cook
got killed by a guy dating a trans person. Is
that just a coincidence?
Speaker 3 (04:48):
It's almost too much to not be a coincidence. But
at the same time, the idea that a would be
assassin would get it the position, get his weapon ready,
and obviously the guy tried not to get caught. I mean,
he escaped and everything, but he was waiting for a
(05:09):
particularly objectionable moment. It's possible, I guess, just seems crazy.
That's a heck of a coincidence. You're there to commit
a murder and you wait for him to say something
you especially don't like, or if I have you already
decided to go there and kill him?
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (05:23):
Am I supposed to believe that his friends hadn't come up,
he would have put away his gun and gone home, right, Yeah, Yeah,
it doesn't make sense.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
But that's a heck of a coincidence.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Yeah, it's like I said, it's almost too much. So
here's an anecdote from real life. And I got to
tell the story backward. Get into the radio ranch. Today
Fox News is on and they are talking about the thousands,
tens of thousands of young people who went to church
this weekend who normally don't inspired by Charlie Kirk and
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they wanted to look into it because his beliefs were
so important to him, And they are talking about that.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
I don't know how many people it was, and.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
I don't know if it lasts or how significant it was,
but I thought that was interesting, especially because I have
it on very good authority that certain pulpits in America,
many of them in blue states, but not all. The
pastor stated unequivocally though Charlie Kirk spread hate and division.
(06:25):
Still his murder was not justified, and we pray for
his family. Really stated it as fact that he spread
quote unquote hate and division.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
And that's the great maneuver.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
I happen to be reading a terrific new book, short read,
easy read, great read, Greg Lukianov in a gal he
works with. I'm sorry, I know his work, not hers,
but she's the co author. It's the ten most common
arguments against free speech.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
And refuting them.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
And they get into something that applies here, and that is,
if I have a belief and you say I don't
agree with your belief, people on particularly the left side
of the aisle, will say that is hateful and divisive.
I think a man can just declare he is a
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woman and be a woman. I don't believe that at all.
I think there are two sexes and you're one or
the other. Well, that's hateful and divisive. They just pronounce
their own arguments as gospel, as literally in that case
in the church, which is why you never want to
give them the power of censorship, because they'll always declare
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anybody who disagrees with their views as you know, spewing
hate speech or division.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Or however you want to phrase it.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
So let's start the show officially before we get in
trouble with the FCC. A couple of big newsish things
have happened today that aren't Charlie Kirk related that we
should talk about. But I'm Jack Armstrong, he's Joe getting
on this. It is Mondayectember fifteenth, the year twenty twenty five,
where I'm strong and getting and we approve of this program.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Let's begin then officially, according to FCC rules and regulations.
Here we go, at Mark.
Speaker 5 (08:09):
Something Ray, I just I just thought that I would
have been back here sooner. What do you mean after
winning the Emmy, you know I wore to work more.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
AT's all.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
Don't think that if you win tonight your life's gonna change.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
No, Brad, it is happing to change. Stop stop, come on,
let's be honest.
Speaker 5 (08:29):
I think the next time I'm on the Emmys It'll
be in Memoriam.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Oh no, no, no, no.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
No, And the rest of that was he said, Ray,
do you think I'll make any Memoriam Ray said, if
it's a slow year.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Yeah, good stuff.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
That's back in the nineties when we just had regular comedy.
It didn't have to be at some political sides expense.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
And many people watched it together on something called the
Television Oh did you say the opening skit from Nate Bargatzi?
Speaker 2 (09:02):
No, I just heard some of the audio.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
He reprised the Saturday famous Saturday Night Live thing where
he's George Washington on the boat and he talks about
the future.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
He's uh, he had that audio if you want it.
He's Final Farnsworth.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
He's the inventor of television, and he's doing this very
same sort of thing, and he's talking about will TVB
will be like in the future, which I thought was
pretty dang funny. But one of the jokes that I
really liked was in the future, we'll watch crime shows
about murders, murderers, actual murderers. And one of the guys said,
(09:33):
who would watch that? Your wife, my wife, everyone's wife.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
By the way, Yeah, that is an interesting thing about television.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Any who.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
Trump announced today he's got a TikTok deal that he's
going to discuss with she on Friday. So they've got
some sort of deal for TikTok to go for it.
I have no idea what that deal is. He hasn't
released that yet. But Congress passed the law. Well, I mean,
it's not necessarily up to the president. Congress passed the law,
Supreme Court help held it nine nothing, but.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
The President postponed the enforcement of the law, which is
not a thing in our system. Not really right, shouldn't
pay Yeah, I don't get it. They're trying to work
out some giant master trade deal. Shijin Ping is pushing
for Donald j to come to Beijing and pay him
a visit.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
And it still looks like we might invade Venezuela and
make it our fifty first state or something.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
I don't know what's going to happen there.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Well, they accused us of uh molesting their tuna boat.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
I saw that. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
And Donald Trump also calling for companies to end the
practice of quarterly.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Reports, which I want to talk about later because.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
I remember reading an article about that in the Wall
Street Journal years ago that was very convincing that that's
one of the worst things that has happened to us
in terms of the way we run companies. I'm not
familiar with the Trump request order conversations. What form is
it going to take, because I mean, there's already way
(11:03):
too much executive overreach and that has nothing to do
with the executive branch of the government.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
But I love it as a conversation, yeah, or as
an idea, the idea of being. And then we'll take
a break and get to the headlines. Back in the day,
we didn't do it this way. It's not like that.
The It didn't come down to Moses from God that
you have to have quarterly reports. And then when all
big companies started having quarterly reports, you started seeing what
you see around your workplace where they make all kinds
(11:28):
of horrible short term decisions for the quarterly number to
keep their stock up. Right, and you think this is
a terrible short term decision. I mean it's a terrible
long term decision. It's a short term decision. But we
could get rid of those if we got rid of quarterly.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Reports, right to get rid of the entire sales department,
because we have plenty of sales this quarter. Yeah, exactly, right, exactly,
And that'll that'll really boost the bottom line. Who's gonna
sell stuff next quarter? Let's stop, let's not worry about that.
So I love that anyway, we got Katie's headlines on
the way and lots of stuff. Here's our tech signed
four one five to nine five KFDC.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
I heard that five NFL stadiums had done something for
Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
That was wrong.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Apparently, at least according to chat gpt as, it looks
like there were seven NFL stadiums that had a moment
of silence or longer something more.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
And uh, obviously we're organizing a boycott against the other
teams because that's what you have to do, right, So
do not buy any Detroit Lions perphernalia or Baltimore Ravens swager.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
I refuse to attend a Denver Broncos game until they repent.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
We will be talking about the whole cancel thing from
the right or just in general a little bit later.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
I have a provocative point of view on that jack controversial.
It will bring hat upon us, but that was probably
gonna happen anyway. So hey, let's figure out who's reporting what.
It's the lead story with Katie Green, Katie what's happened.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Thank you guys from ABC.
Speaker 6 (12:57):
Utah governor says Kirkshooter not cooperating with authorities.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Yeah, does that make any difference. I was gonna say
his goose is cooked anyway, I mean completely, unless.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
I came across the story.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
I was going to bring it up later that there
are several social media accounts that gave every indication of
knowing in advance what was going to happen. And I
think the authorities would absolutely like to know more about that.
I'm not sure they need his cooperation.
Speaker 6 (13:38):
From Reuters Court allows Trump administration to end Planned parenthoods
medicaid funding.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
I don't know anything about that.
Speaker 6 (13:50):
From NBC, FDA to percent data, it claims ties COVID
shots to child debts at CDC meeting.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Oh boy, oh boy. All right, well let's look at
the data. That's fine.
Speaker 6 (14:07):
From the Washington Post, Poland calls for NATO.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Backed no fly zone over Ukraine.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Yeah, were to talk about this last week, and no
fly zone that would extend beyond the border by a
fairly big chunk, Like you get within sixty miles of.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Our border and we'll shoot you down right right.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
Oh, there's a guy trampling the Charlie Kirk Memorial's beautiful.
By the way, Katie, do you have a single headline
that's not a gigantic moral or political dilemma? You're stressing
me out, Lady, I do.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
I save the fun for the end. You guys know this. Sorry,
I'm a little lady, lady, good lady.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Wow, you don't want to reach the age where people
are calling you a lady.
Speaker 6 (14:47):
Clearly I'm there, I am. From the New York Times,
Rubio in Israel says a diplomatic solution to Gaza war
may not be possible.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Okay, what.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
At least some diplomats finally saying it right? I mean,
it's it's a welcome to the party, Marco. But he's
virtually the only guy who's willing to state the incredibly obvious.
Speaker 6 (15:11):
From the Wall Street Journal, Gold hasn't rallied this much
since nineteen seventy nine.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Hmm. I remember.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
I remember nineteen seventy nine because my grandma, my mom's mom,
was talking about taking the cold out of her fillings
because gold had reached such.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
A high Wow, mining her own mouth. She didn't, but
she was tempted.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Okay, here comes the light stuff guys. All right. Finally
New York Post.
Speaker 6 (15:39):
Lazy boozed up driver busted after driving roommates child sized
pink Barbie jeep to buy a slurpee.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Wow driving a Barbie Jeep under the influence.
Speaker 6 (15:56):
From study fines doctor's worn smartphone use on the toilet
is linked to forty six percent higher hemorrhoid risk.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Yep, yep.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
Oh wow, it's just too easy, just too comfortable to
sit there and sit there, get the job done, That's
what I say.
Speaker 6 (16:18):
And finally, from the Babylon Bee, entire American university system
officially designated.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
A terrorist organization. Wow.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
That was one of Nate Bargotzik's jokes last night, was
the producers and everybody spending millions of dollars to craft
these visual masterpieces that you will watch on your phone
while sitting on the toilet, which is somewhat true. We
have some more of the news of the day coming
up in just a moment's stay.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Right here, Armstrong and Getty.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
I don't know if this means anything, just as an aside,
I thought it was interesting. So the whole the roommate
is trans thing broke in Twitter like Friday. I mean
days ago, but mainstream media wasn't running with it for
a variety of reasons. I think we all know. Part
(17:10):
of it maybe being.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
I too am very skeptical to believe anything in the
first couple of days after one of these events, because
I have been burned many many times, right, and that
one sounded too.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Perfect, right? Yeah, So I don't have any problem with uh.
But CBS.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
On Facination yesterday they had it part of their update
Meet the Press, and ABC this week did not in
there the latest news part. Then the Governor of Utah
came on and mentioned it, but they didn't mention it themselves.
CBS mentioned it themselves. CBS who seems to be running
away from their you know, the perceptions people have of them.
(17:50):
I don't know if it's just because of the lawsuits
or because they actually are trying to become more of
a mainstream news organization.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
I would guess the latter.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
Down with that whole thing they're looking at offering two
hundred million dollars to buy Barry Weiss's thing and make her,
you know, put her in charge of the news division
and all that sort of stuff, CBS might be the
big news news outlet to watch that I've been waiting
for for a long time. That decides, you know, we
need to talk to everybody. Yeah, so I'm kind of
excited about that. Uh So that's the end of the
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excitement as I get to this with what Mark Halpern
wrote over one more very.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
Quick note on CBS to quote unquote decide you want
to talk to everyone, all you have to do is
hire a few conservatives and ask for their perspective. That's it,
and virtually nobody's done it for a very long time
in the mainstream media lately.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
To that Mark Alpern over the weekend, a couple of
his tweets, and then I was reading his newsletter stuff,
which I'll get to a little bit later, but a
couple of his tweets. For the first day, I refused
to believe that anyone was actually going on social media
to celebrate Charlie's murder. Then I realized there was, in
fact some of it, but I assumed it was a
very small amount. Now I see how naive I was.
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What is wrong with someone who would do that? That
was on Saturday. Then yesterday he goes with.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
CNN and MSNBC are not taking the remarks of Erica
Kirk live.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
It takes a lot to surprise me. This is shocking
the BBC is taking it live. Wow, that's astounding.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
With the things that cable news covers in a given day,
just to have something to put on there.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
Yeah, they didn't take Charlie Kirk's wife's first remarks live.
That is a heck of a decision to make. And
then he ended with this yesterday. This morning, I want
to read this correctly because I thought it was something
this morning, with significant time to reflect. For the first
time since the murder, I am now deeply, deeply worried
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about this country.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Welcome, Mark, Welcome.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
You know how sometimes I say I've done the math
in my head and it just doesn't work. Whether it's
the two state solution and peace process or Joe Biden
running again a couple of years ago, I just can't
make the math work. I cannot make the mathwork of
we solve the problems that brought us here unless there
is some new technological development or something, and I can't
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even imagine what it would be. For instance, you had
pastors declaring from the pulpit unequivocally that Charlie Kirk spread
hate and division now maybe wrong to murder him, but
he was a hateful, hateful figure. You have people, and
this is being a factor in a mailbag, completely convinced
online and I mean they would bet their lives that
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the killer of Charlie Kirk was a far right maga
lunatic who thought Charlie wasn't far right enough and that's
why he killed him. There is a huge subsection of
humanity online, of course, who actually believes that right.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
Now, well huge. The number of people would be disturbing.
I mean, I mean, sure, you could fill several, you know,
baseball stadiums with them, and it would look like a
lot of people. As a percentage, it's nobody. But as
we've talked about to death in social media, it looks
like a lot of people, and for whatever reason it
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drives our conversations, we are enable unable to recognize in
our heads that this is a tiny percentage of America.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
Most of us don't think this way. So let's ignore
those people. That's the opposite of what we do.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
We pick out the worst of the other side, retweet
it and talk about how doomed we are.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
I don't know how we break out of that.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
I was listening to a podcast The Today with the
great Kevin Williamson on it Writer, and he said, you know,
people talk about how if you could when you go
back and kill Baby Hitler. He said, I often want
if I could go back and kill Steve Jobs to
stop him from inventing the smartphone, which has caused all
of us.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Oh a lot of it.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Yeah, So, getting back to your previous point, do you
think Halpern is overreacting or overestimating the number of people
who feel what they feel glee at the death Charlie
kirk uh because he seemed to think it was truly significant. Yes,
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and more than the fringe, especially if but both are true.
The people who say it and the people who are sympathetic,
I think is more than you think.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Of course, I don't know precisely what you think. I
think both are true.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
I think I think the it's just the fringe that
is lunatic, you know, whatever it is, eight percent, whatever
it wants to be. But the way we all react
to that fringe does mean more doomed.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
So those are both true.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
I think it's a small amount of people who are
or who are unhinged about this stuff. But well, we
let them drive the conversation. If we could somehow avoid that,
I think would be fine. That's an intriguing point. What
percentage of the population holding a loathsome hateful, dangerous view
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ask Charlie Kirk's widow whether it's a dangerous view is
too insignificant to let it drive the conversation.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
As you said, I don't know, but pre.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
Social media, how would we you veat him and even
known what five percent of American thinks.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Well, they never would have gotten the reinforcement social media
brings them. They just shut their mouths because they'd realize, oh,
nobody around here thinks this, right, just mate, you just
you would have never had any idea if in I
don't know, pick a year. If in nineteen seventy five
six percent of people thought Gerald Ford should be dead, Yeah,
you would have had no idea, right right, boy.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
I'm super intrigued by this. I don't disagree with you.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
I'm just it's like I've come across a really nettlesome
math question and I'm trying to tease it out.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
You've long advocated the idea that all.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
It takes is a vocal, organized minority to carry out
a revolution.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Yeah, I didn't invent that. That's what people have figured out.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
It takes about fifteen percent of a you know, really
energetic group of people to cause a revolution, because you
get enough people that kind of agree with them. Then
you got people who I don't agree with them, but
I'm kind of scared to stand in their way, and
you very quickly end up with over fifty percent.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
So given that this, ohoh, here's the question, then at
this point, do we have fifteen percent of people who
are gleeful that Charlie Kirk was murdered?
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Probably not, But what if it's.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
Twelve percent, Well, I don't know if it has to
be about Charlie Kirk. I think we have more than
fifteen percent who think the other side is held on
killing us. On our side, I think we have more
than fifteen percent of people who think the other side
wants my side.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Dead or at least unemployed and humiliated and driven through
the streets like wild beasts.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
That number is probably true.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Yeah, And if you have that group of people in
a we got to fight fire with fire stands, I
don't know how we get out of that.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Like you said, that's how you started. I don't know
how we get out of this.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Well, the problem is, I'm not sure pacifism or not
engaging those crazies leads us to.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
A good place. Right wing talk show host calls for
civil war.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Okay, you know at the point Johnny ReBs shooting his
rifle at me, it was rifles then, right, yeah, well
I'm in it was longbows. Well, no, I was trying
to remember when the transition between smooth bore weapons and
rifles came along. It was the Civil War. That's one
of the sins. It was so deadly. They're still using
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smooth bore weapon maneuvering tactics against rifles.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
And I saw a YouTube video yesterday. It's amazing that
people take the time to do this sort of stuff.
Guns for the last I think it was four hundred
years and a guy had every kind of gun.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
And then the advancement over four hundred years, three hundred years.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Or whatever it was starting with like the very beginning,
you had to put a bunch of powder down there,
and thing in there, and then.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
A little ball and lighted on fire, all these different things.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
That it showed you got to so there's a wat involved.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
And then he would skip to the next advance and
everything like that was really really interesting.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
I'll bet so you are at You seem to be
very troubled that the lunatic fringes are driving the conversation.
Am totally get that. So do you advocate ignoring them
or what? See, that's my problem is they are trying
aggressively to spread their ideology, and at the point that
it's fifteen percent of them, I mean, we saw it
(26:54):
in Blue States. In the world of education, people are
still bowing in, scraping before the idol of progressivism. They're
terrified to say, I think they're just two sexes and
you're stuck with it. They're terrified to say Black Lives
Matter is a Marxist organization. Of course Black Lives matter,
(27:15):
but the organization are Marxists.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
I would like to believe that, if so, the revolution
has already been won in those places.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
I would like to believe that each if each side
called out their own side, which we uh were talking
about on Friday or Thursday or whatever was the day
after the assassination, I'd like to believe that if both
sides called out their own side, we could tamp this down.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Maybe I'm wrong, maybe it's too late.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
Well, I'd like to believe if Judy could find a
reasonably priced pony in time for Christmas, there would be
a pony under the tree, well next to the tree probably.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
I can't believe you still want a pony so bad.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
I really do. A beautiful little pony I can call
my own. You live in town, you can't.
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You can't. Just not.
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Speaker 4 (29:10):
So do you agree with this statement or not? From
Mark Alpern in his newsletter on Sunday this morning, with
significant time to reflect for the first time since the murder,
I'm now deeply deeply worried about the country.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Yes undred percent.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
Yeah, yeah, I was there like a few years ago.
But yes, deeply deeply worried. One hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Is there any way out?
Speaker 3 (29:34):
Text line four one five two nine five KFTC. If
there is there any way out, I don't know if
there is, especially with social media the current way that
we fund our politics.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Right there's a couple.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Of things involved that I think just yeah, fashion equals
dollars and passion is off in anger and hatred.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Yep, we got email on the way and a bunch
of other stuff. Stay here.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Strong.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Are you familiar with thereddit tread a? I Ah, I
am not. I don't think so, am I the ah? Yes?
Speaker 3 (30:09):
Yeah, I've got one of those stories for about me.
Am I am I an ah in this story, I
guess would be the story. So I'll get to that
maybe an hour or two. And speaking of our two,
we'll kick it off with a fascinating discussion of the
people getting canned from their jobs because they did a
touchdown dance over poor Charlie Kirk being slaughtered in cold blood?
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Is that canceled culture from the right? Are we being hypocrites?
Speaker 4 (30:36):
God, you're such a crazy person. If you're happy about
political violence from any side.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
We will discuss. I can't understand that we will discuss meilbang.
I'm sorry, fah freedom loved what of the day?
Speaker 2 (30:49):
Sorry?
Speaker 3 (30:51):
I found this really interesting? Uh, Malcolm Nance, I didn't
have time to look up Katie.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Do you have a second figure out who this guy is?
He says.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
The funny trick that Americans do is that they managed
to convince themselves that political violence in the United States
that any one of us in the counter terrorism world
would call terrorism anywhere else is just violence in the
United States.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
You think we should be calling it terrorism.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
Well, as you know, I think the term terrorism and
terrorist has been overused to the point of it's practically
it's like fascist. It doesn't mean anything anymore. But yeah, yeah,
political violence to achieve a particular end is terrorism. Yeah.
Mail bag, which is going to factor into the discussion
next tun drop us a note mail bag at Armstrong
(31:40):
and Geddy dot com. Ryan from Houston writes Jack Joe
was the killer of Charlie Kirk, a white nationalist MAGA
grouper who felt that Charlie wasn't conservative enough. Well, if
your whole Twitter identity is you hate Maga, then there's
a ninety nine point nine percent chance you believe that
was the shooter from a good conservative home and radicalized
(32:02):
by Reddit college and had a relationship with transgender individual. Well,
if your Twitter profile leans conservative, there's a ninety nine
point nine percent chance you believe that the notion that
don't trust anything in the first twenty four hours of
breaking is out the window. When you find something that
appeals to your confirmation bias.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Yeah, and I'm going.
Speaker 4 (32:19):
To stick with this just because it's the only thing
that gives me hope. The percentage of people who are
living their lives this way is small. I'm sticking with
that partly because I want it to be true.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Yeah, I just again ask.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
Ask people forced to take humiliating anti racist training whether
that fringe group is you know, can be ignored or not.
I just think it's gone too far anyway. Let's see,
this was posted online by a number of folks. A
couple of folks sent it along. When George Floyd died,
they burned down cities. When Charlie Kirk died, we pray
(33:00):
and host vigils. We are not the same.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Hmm.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
There's a lot of truth to that. Moving along, David
on the TMZ Stafford's laughing and cheering story. I was
going to give TMZ the benefit of the doubt until
I saw the car chase video. They announced during the
car chase that the Staffords were watching that Charlie Kirk
(33:28):
had died. On the broadcast they were watching, they were
definitely cheering his death. Oh, probably already have a bunch
of email to this fact, but wanted to be sure. Yeah,
we did actually get several of them. Well, you can't
you can't blame what's his name, the guy who runs TMZ.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Harvey Levin.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
Is it for wanting to get the story out that
that's not what happened, because that's not a good look. No,
it's a terrible, terrible look.
Speaker 4 (33:52):
But he's got a bunch of young people who mostly
follow entertainment news. Am I shocked that they cheered this? No,
not really, right then, TJ in the day Beautiful Redd
and Care California writes, if you.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
Cheer political violence, you were a nut, or you've gone
so far over the line. Honestly, I don't care what
side your politics are. If you cheer political violence, you've
crossed a line. Yeah, you've seriously lost a chunk of
your soul, or you have no wisdom anyway, I don't know.
Last Friday or whatever, you guys mentioned, Patrick Mahomes come
(34:23):
out said he would pay the living expensive of Charlie
Kirk's kids. I immediately knew it wasn't true, because by
that point I had already said seen the same thing
about Justin Jefferson and C. D. Lamb of the NFL.
I don't know those people, but I assume they exist.
They're big stars. Yeah, my wife actually sent me the
one about Cedde Lamb thinking it was real. I don't
know who makes these things up. I don't understand the
(34:44):
purpose other than to cause confusion. Social media, especially Twitter,
so good with breaking news, but it's getting so difficult
to tell fact from fiction. I saw Info on the
Kirk shooter wearing a Donald Trump shirt, which is AI
generated clips claiming the show the shooter debating Kirk to
the shooting, which is actually just a guy who looked
somewhat similar. People are getting easily tricked with the stuff
and don't know it before.
Speaker 4 (35:06):
I swear that Patrick Mahomes thing was on a real
news thing because I don't just repeat right everything from everywhere,
But that doesn't mean it wasn't fake and somebody else
didn't get hooked.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Oh yeah, or about out of time. Interesting note here
from Andy saying I don't know what to tell polsters
when they ask are you against all political violence? Because
the purpose of the Second Amendment is if we are oppressed,
that we must end it by force. I think in
this moment, and he go ahead and say, you're against.
Speaker 4 (35:37):
It seems like a good idea. We get a lot
more on this topic. It's a huge one. It might
be the topic for whether or not we stay together
as a country.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Armstrong and Getty
Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George
Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe, Katty Armstrong and
Jettie and now he.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Is Armstrong and Yeddy.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Live from studio seat see Senior, a dimly lit room
deeper in the bowels of the Armstrong and Getty Communications Compound.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
And hey y'all, today Monday, brand.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
New week that were kicking off or under the tutelage
of our general manager, the Charlie Kirk conversation far from over.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Yeah, God, I would say so.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
Every single news outlet I took in today, including NPR,
led with something Charlie Kirk related.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Virtually everybody I ran into in real life wanted to talk.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
About it over the weekend.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
I have some strange and troubling anecdotes from real life
about that.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
So I just came across this before I get to
my big question. The Jack's big question is what I
call it? Oh, this's early in the show. The Emmys
didn't mention Charlie Kirk. Wow, okay, wow, didn't mention it
at all. I can so picture that process, Yes, so
(01:23):
can I, And I can I can sew as I
think about it because I just read that. I hadn't
really thought about it, But so all but five NFL
games had a moment of silence home games yesterday, the
home stadium. Now, I don't know how many NFL games
there are on a Sunday. There are thirty teams. You
cut them in half, that's fifteen. A quarter of them
get a bye. So maybe you got.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Ten games on a Sunday something like that, because it's
one of Thursdays, so maybe only eight. So about half
of them had some sort of moment of silence at
the stadium.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
No mention on the Emmys. Wow.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
But the process that I mentioned that I picture and
I'm damn sure I'm right, is some bodies said, you know,
we probably ought to mention it, pay our respects in
some way. And somebody else said, well, a guy was evil.
Who's a bad guy, I mean, he was terrible. Why
(02:18):
would we respect him like that? And they went round
and round and round, and then just decided, all right,
let's do nothing.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
And or.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
If we mentioned him and have a moment of silence,
half the crowd is gonna boo oh, and that would
be worse than not doing anything right, which is probably
true for your look the imman. Nobody gives a crap
about the emm He's certainly nobody than our audience, but really, Emmys.
So I watched the first part of it. Your first presenter.
(02:47):
The first thing that happens.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Yeah, the host of the Late Show, Stephen Colbert, and
everybody goes to their feet and it's a ridiculously long
standing over for Steven Colbert, who obviously was fired for
bad mounting trump standing ovation. He had trouble getting the
calm down enough that he could even get to what
he had to say.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Wow, first guest, I thought.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
First thing, you just you announced to America anybody in
right America that was watching the Envies, and it probably
were few, but announce them.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
This show isn't for you. I just want to make
sure you know this show is not for you. Not
only that we'd prefer you didn't watch. I mean go
away about that.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
You know that's funny as you brought up Colbert, and
I was reminded of a couple of things. Number one
that his show is a little watched, and number two,
I was like, oh, wasn't there some sort of weak
He's a martyr for progressive America angle right, Yeah, that's
the whole merger deal.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
So just the most thunderous standing ovation.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
We'll play it for you later, and then later he wins,
of course for Best Variety Show, which he did win
on a regular basis, but of course he was gonna
win this year. Do you know Jimmy Kimmel took out
a billboard in Los Angeles saying vote for Stephen Colbert
for Emmy for the so and more thunderous applause for
(04:10):
the years.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
So just just.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
Just that sort of thing that we're still, you know,
not that tribalism was going to end with the assassination
of Charlie Kirk, but right from the beginning last night,
then no moment of silence. But here's my question, Jack's
big question obscured Jack's big question. I meant to lead
with this. Is it just a coincidence that a student
(04:34):
asked a question about transactivists and shootings when Charlie Cook
got killed by a guy dating a trans person. Is
that just a coincidence?
Speaker 3 (04:48):
It's almost too much to not be a coincidence. But
at the same time, the idea that a would be
assassin would get it the position, get his weapon ready,
and obviously the guy tried not to get caught. I mean,
he escaped and everything, but he was waiting for a
(05:09):
particularly objectionable moment. It's possible, I guess, just seems crazy.
That's a heck of a coincidence. You're there to commit
a murder and you wait for him to say something
you especially don't like, or if I have you already
decided to go there and kill him?
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (05:23):
Am I supposed to believe that his friends hadn't come up,
he would have put away his gun and gone home, right, Yeah, Yeah,
it doesn't make sense.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
But that's a heck of a coincidence.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Yeah, it's like I said, it's almost too much. So
here's an anecdote from real life. And I got to
tell the story backward. Get into the radio ranch. Today
Fox News is on and they are talking about the thousands,
tens of thousands of young people who went to church
this weekend who normally don't inspired by Charlie Kirk and
(05:54):
they wanted to look into it because his beliefs were
so important to him, And they are talking about that.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
I don't know how many people it was, and.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
I don't know if it lasts or how significant it was,
but I thought that was interesting, especially because I have
it on very good authority that certain pulpits in America,
many of them in blue states, but not all. The
pastor stated unequivocally though Charlie Kirk spread hate and division.
(06:25):
Still his murder was not justified, and we pray for
his family. Really stated it as fact that he spread
quote unquote hate and division.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
And that's the great maneuver.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
I happen to be reading a terrific new book, short read,
easy read, great read, Greg Lukianov in a gal he
works with. I'm sorry, I know his work, not hers,
but she's the co author. It's the ten most common
arguments against free speech.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
And refuting them.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
And they get into something that applies here, and that is,
if I have a belief and you say I don't
agree with your belief, people on particularly the left side
of the aisle, will say that is hateful and divisive.
I think a man can just declare he is a
(07:16):
woman and be a woman. I don't believe that at all.
I think there are two sexes and you're one or
the other. Well, that's hateful and divisive. They just pronounce
their own arguments as gospel, as literally in that case
in the church, which is why you never want to
give them the power of censorship, because they'll always declare
(07:39):
anybody who disagrees with their views as you know, spewing
hate speech or division.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Or however you want to phrase it.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
So let's start the show officially before we get in
trouble with the FCC. A couple of big newsish things
have happened today that aren't Charlie Kirk related that we
should talk about. But I'm Jack Armstrong, he's Joe getting
on this. It is Mondayectember fifteenth, the year twenty twenty five,
where I'm strong and getting and we approve of this program.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Let's begin then officially, according to FCC rules and regulations.
Here we go, at Mark.
Speaker 5 (08:09):
Something Ray, I just I just thought that I would
have been back here sooner. What do you mean after
winning the Emmy, you know I wore to work more.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
AT's all.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
Don't think that if you win tonight your life's gonna change.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
No, Brad, it is happing to change. Stop stop, come on,
let's be honest.
Speaker 5 (08:29):
I think the next time I'm on the Emmys It'll
be in Memoriam.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Oh no, no, no, no.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
No, And the rest of that was he said, Ray,
do you think I'll make any Memoriam Ray said, if
it's a slow year.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Yeah, good stuff.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
That's back in the nineties when we just had regular comedy.
It didn't have to be at some political sides expense.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
And many people watched it together on something called the
Television Oh did you say the opening skit from Nate Bargatzi?
Speaker 2 (09:02):
No, I just heard some of the audio.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
He reprised the Saturday famous Saturday Night Live thing where
he's George Washington on the boat and he talks about
the future.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
He's uh, he had that audio if you want it.
He's Final Farnsworth.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
He's the inventor of television, and he's doing this very
same sort of thing, and he's talking about will TVB
will be like in the future, which I thought was
pretty dang funny. But one of the jokes that I
really liked was in the future, we'll watch crime shows
about murders, murderers, actual murderers. And one of the guys said,
(09:33):
who would watch that? Your wife, my wife, everyone's wife.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
By the way, Yeah, that is an interesting thing about television.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Any who.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
Trump announced today he's got a TikTok deal that he's
going to discuss with she on Friday. So they've got
some sort of deal for TikTok to go for it.
I have no idea what that deal is. He hasn't
released that yet. But Congress passed the law. Well, I mean,
it's not necessarily up to the president. Congress passed the law,
Supreme Court help held it nine nothing, but.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
The President postponed the enforcement of the law, which is
not a thing in our system. Not really right, shouldn't
pay Yeah, I don't get it. They're trying to work
out some giant master trade deal. Shijin Ping is pushing
for Donald j to come to Beijing and pay him
a visit.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
And it still looks like we might invade Venezuela and
make it our fifty first state or something.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
I don't know what's going to happen there.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Well, they accused us of uh molesting their tuna boat.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
I saw that. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
And Donald Trump also calling for companies to end the
practice of quarterly.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Reports, which I want to talk about later because.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
I remember reading an article about that in the Wall
Street Journal years ago that was very convincing that that's
one of the worst things that has happened to us
in terms of the way we run companies. I'm not
familiar with the Trump request order conversations. What form is
it going to take, because I mean, there's already way
(11:03):
too much executive overreach and that has nothing to do
with the executive branch of the government.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
But I love it as a conversation, yeah, or as
an idea, the idea of being. And then we'll take
a break and get to the headlines. Back in the day,
we didn't do it this way. It's not like that.
The It didn't come down to Moses from God that
you have to have quarterly reports. And then when all
big companies started having quarterly reports, you started seeing what
you see around your workplace where they make all kinds
(11:28):
of horrible short term decisions for the quarterly number to
keep their stock up. Right, and you think this is
a terrible short term decision. I mean it's a terrible
long term decision. It's a short term decision. But we
could get rid of those if we got rid of quarterly.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Reports, right to get rid of the entire sales department,
because we have plenty of sales this quarter. Yeah, exactly, right, exactly,
And that'll that'll really boost the bottom line. Who's gonna
sell stuff next quarter? Let's stop, let's not worry about that.
So I love that anyway, we got Katie's headlines on
the way and lots of stuff. Here's our tech signed
four one five to nine five KFDC.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
I heard that five NFL stadiums had done something for
Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
That was wrong.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Apparently, at least according to chat gpt as, it looks
like there were seven NFL stadiums that had a moment
of silence or longer something more.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
And uh, obviously we're organizing a boycott against the other
teams because that's what you have to do, right, So
do not buy any Detroit Lions perphernalia or Baltimore Ravens swager.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
I refuse to attend a Denver Broncos game until they repent.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
We will be talking about the whole cancel thing from
the right or just in general a little bit later.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
I have a provocative point of view on that jack controversial.
It will bring hat upon us, but that was probably
gonna happen anyway. So hey, let's figure out who's reporting what.
It's the lead story with Katie Green, Katie what's happened.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Thank you guys from ABC.
Speaker 6 (12:57):
Utah governor says Kirkshooter not cooperating with authorities.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Yeah, does that make any difference. I was gonna say
his goose is cooked anyway, I mean completely, unless.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
I came across the story.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
I was going to bring it up later that there
are several social media accounts that gave every indication of
knowing in advance what was going to happen. And I
think the authorities would absolutely like to know more about that.
I'm not sure they need his cooperation.
Speaker 6 (13:38):
From Reuters Court allows Trump administration to end Planned parenthoods
medicaid funding.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
I don't know anything about that.
Speaker 6 (13:50):
From NBC, FDA to percent data, it claims ties COVID
shots to child debts at CDC meeting.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Oh boy, oh boy. All right, well let's look at
the data. That's fine.
Speaker 6 (14:07):
From the Washington Post, Poland calls for NATO.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Backed no fly zone over Ukraine.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Yeah, were to talk about this last week, and no
fly zone that would extend beyond the border by a
fairly big chunk, Like you get within sixty miles of.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Our border and we'll shoot you down right right.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
Oh, there's a guy trampling the Charlie Kirk Memorial's beautiful.
By the way, Katie, do you have a single headline
that's not a gigantic moral or political dilemma? You're stressing
me out, Lady, I do.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
I save the fun for the end. You guys know this. Sorry,
I'm a little lady, lady, good lady.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Wow, you don't want to reach the age where people
are calling you a lady.
Speaker 6 (14:47):
Clearly I'm there, I am. From the New York Times,
Rubio in Israel says a diplomatic solution to Gaza war
may not be possible.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Okay, what.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
At least some diplomats finally saying it right? I mean,
it's it's a welcome to the party, Marco. But he's
virtually the only guy who's willing to state the incredibly obvious.
Speaker 6 (15:11):
From the Wall Street Journal, Gold hasn't rallied this much
since nineteen seventy nine.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Hmm. I remember.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
I remember nineteen seventy nine because my grandma, my mom's mom,
was talking about taking the cold out of her fillings
because gold had reached such.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
A high Wow, mining her own mouth. She didn't, but
she was tempted.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Okay, here comes the light stuff guys. All right. Finally
New York Post.
Speaker 6 (15:39):
Lazy boozed up driver busted after driving roommates child sized
pink Barbie jeep to buy a slurpee.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Wow driving a Barbie Jeep under the influence.
Speaker 6 (15:56):
From study fines doctor's worn smartphone use on the toilet
is linked to forty six percent higher hemorrhoid risk.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Yep, yep.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
Oh wow, it's just too easy, just too comfortable to
sit there and sit there, get the job done, That's
what I say.
Speaker 6 (16:18):
And finally, from the Babylon Bee, entire American university system
officially designated.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
A terrorist organization. Wow.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
That was one of Nate Bargotzik's jokes last night, was
the producers and everybody spending millions of dollars to craft
these visual masterpieces that you will watch on your phone
while sitting on the toilet, which is somewhat true. We
have some more of the news of the day coming
up in just a moment's stay.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Right here, Armstrong and Getty.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
I don't know if this means anything, just as an aside,
I thought it was interesting. So the whole the roommate
is trans thing broke in Twitter like Friday. I mean
days ago, but mainstream media wasn't running with it for
a variety of reasons. I think we all know. Part
(17:10):
of it maybe being.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
I too am very skeptical to believe anything in the
first couple of days after one of these events, because
I have been burned many many times, right, and that
one sounded too.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Perfect, right? Yeah, So I don't have any problem with uh.
But CBS.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
On Facination yesterday they had it part of their update
Meet the Press, and ABC this week did not in
there the latest news part. Then the Governor of Utah
came on and mentioned it, but they didn't mention it themselves.
CBS mentioned it themselves. CBS who seems to be running
away from their you know, the perceptions people have of them.
(17:50):
I don't know if it's just because of the lawsuits
or because they actually are trying to become more of
a mainstream news organization.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
I would guess the latter.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
Down with that whole thing they're looking at offering two
hundred million dollars to buy Barry Weiss's thing and make her,
you know, put her in charge of the news division
and all that sort of stuff, CBS might be the
big news news outlet to watch that I've been waiting
for for a long time. That decides, you know, we
need to talk to everybody. Yeah, so I'm kind of
excited about that. Uh So that's the end of the
(18:22):
excitement as I get to this with what Mark Halpern
wrote over one more very.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
Quick note on CBS to quote unquote decide you want
to talk to everyone, all you have to do is
hire a few conservatives and ask for their perspective. That's it,
and virtually nobody's done it for a very long time
in the mainstream media lately.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
To that Mark Alpern over the weekend, a couple of
his tweets, and then I was reading his newsletter stuff,
which I'll get to a little bit later, but a
couple of his tweets. For the first day, I refused
to believe that anyone was actually going on social media
to celebrate Charlie's murder. Then I realized there was, in
fact some of it, but I assumed it was a
very small amount. Now I see how naive I was.
(19:06):
What is wrong with someone who would do that? That
was on Saturday. Then yesterday he goes with.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
CNN and MSNBC are not taking the remarks of Erica
Kirk live.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
It takes a lot to surprise me. This is shocking
the BBC is taking it live. Wow, that's astounding.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
With the things that cable news covers in a given day,
just to have something to put on there.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
Yeah, they didn't take Charlie Kirk's wife's first remarks live.
That is a heck of a decision to make. And
then he ended with this yesterday. This morning, I want
to read this correctly because I thought it was something
this morning, with significant time to reflect. For the first
time since the murder, I am now deeply, deeply worried
(19:58):
about this country.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Welcome, Mark, Welcome.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
You know how sometimes I say I've done the math
in my head and it just doesn't work. Whether it's
the two state solution and peace process or Joe Biden
running again a couple of years ago, I just can't
make the math work. I cannot make the mathwork of
we solve the problems that brought us here unless there
is some new technological development or something, and I can't
(20:26):
even imagine what it would be. For instance, you had
pastors declaring from the pulpit unequivocally that Charlie Kirk spread
hate and division now maybe wrong to murder him, but
he was a hateful, hateful figure. You have people, and
this is being a factor in a mailbag, completely convinced
online and I mean they would bet their lives that
(20:51):
the killer of Charlie Kirk was a far right maga
lunatic who thought Charlie wasn't far right enough and that's
why he killed him. There is a huge subsection of
humanity online, of course, who actually believes that right.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
Now, well huge. The number of people would be disturbing.
I mean, I mean, sure, you could fill several, you know,
baseball stadiums with them, and it would look like a
lot of people. As a percentage, it's nobody. But as
we've talked about to death in social media, it looks
like a lot of people, and for whatever reason it
(21:26):
drives our conversations, we are enable unable to recognize in
our heads that this is a tiny percentage of America.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
Most of us don't think this way. So let's ignore
those people. That's the opposite of what we do.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
We pick out the worst of the other side, retweet
it and talk about how doomed we are.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
I don't know how we break out of that.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
I was listening to a podcast The Today with the
great Kevin Williamson on it Writer, and he said, you know,
people talk about how if you could when you go
back and kill Baby Hitler. He said, I often want
if I could go back and kill Steve Jobs to
stop him from inventing the smartphone, which has caused all
of us.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Oh a lot of it.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Yeah, So, getting back to your previous point, do you
think Halpern is overreacting or overestimating the number of people
who feel what they feel glee at the death Charlie
kirk uh because he seemed to think it was truly significant. Yes,
(22:28):
and more than the fringe, especially if but both are true.
The people who say it and the people who are sympathetic,
I think is more than you think.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Of course, I don't know precisely what you think. I
think both are true.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
I think I think the it's just the fringe that
is lunatic, you know, whatever it is, eight percent, whatever
it wants to be. But the way we all react
to that fringe does mean more doomed.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
So those are both true.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
I think it's a small amount of people who are
or who are unhinged about this stuff. But well, we
let them drive the conversation. If we could somehow avoid that,
I think would be fine. That's an intriguing point. What
percentage of the population holding a loathsome hateful, dangerous view
(23:17):
ask Charlie Kirk's widow whether it's a dangerous view is
too insignificant to let it drive the conversation.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
As you said, I don't know, but pre.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
Social media, how would we you veat him and even
known what five percent of American thinks.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Well, they never would have gotten the reinforcement social media
brings them. They just shut their mouths because they'd realize, oh,
nobody around here thinks this, right, just mate, you just
you would have never had any idea if in I
don't know, pick a year. If in nineteen seventy five
six percent of people thought Gerald Ford should be dead, Yeah,
you would have had no idea, right right, boy.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
I'm super intrigued by this. I don't disagree with you.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
I'm just it's like I've come across a really nettlesome
math question and I'm trying to tease it out.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
You've long advocated the idea that all.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
It takes is a vocal, organized minority to carry out
a revolution.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Yeah, I didn't invent that. That's what people have figured out.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
It takes about fifteen percent of a you know, really
energetic group of people to cause a revolution, because you
get enough people that kind of agree with them. Then
you got people who I don't agree with them, but
I'm kind of scared to stand in their way, and
you very quickly end up with over fifty percent.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
So given that this, ohoh, here's the question, then at
this point, do we have fifteen percent of people who
are gleeful that Charlie Kirk was murdered?
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Probably not, But what if it's.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
Twelve percent, Well, I don't know if it has to
be about Charlie Kirk. I think we have more than
fifteen percent who think the other side is held on
killing us. On our side, I think we have more
than fifteen percent of people who think the other side
wants my side.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Dead or at least unemployed and humiliated and driven through
the streets like wild beasts.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
That number is probably true.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Yeah, And if you have that group of people in
a we got to fight fire with fire stands, I
don't know how we get out of that.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Like you said, that's how you started. I don't know
how we get out of this.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Well, the problem is, I'm not sure pacifism or not
engaging those crazies leads us to.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
A good place. Right wing talk show host calls for
civil war.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Okay, you know at the point Johnny ReBs shooting his
rifle at me, it was rifles then, right, yeah, well
I'm in it was longbows. Well, no, I was trying
to remember when the transition between smooth bore weapons and
rifles came along. It was the Civil War. That's one
of the sins. It was so deadly. They're still using
(26:01):
smooth bore weapon maneuvering tactics against rifles.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
And I saw a YouTube video yesterday. It's amazing that
people take the time to do this sort of stuff.
Guns for the last I think it was four hundred
years and a guy had every kind of gun.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
And then the advancement over four hundred years, three hundred years.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Or whatever it was starting with like the very beginning,
you had to put a bunch of powder down there,
and thing in there, and then.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
A little ball and lighted on fire, all these different things.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
That it showed you got to so there's a wat involved.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
And then he would skip to the next advance and
everything like that was really really interesting.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
I'll bet so you are at You seem to be
very troubled that the lunatic fringes are driving the conversation.
Am totally get that. So do you advocate ignoring them
or what? See, that's my problem is they are trying
aggressively to spread their ideology, and at the point that
it's fifteen percent of them, I mean, we saw it
(26:54):
in Blue States. In the world of education, people are
still bowing in, scraping before the idol of progressivism. They're
terrified to say, I think they're just two sexes and
you're stuck with it. They're terrified to say Black Lives
Matter is a Marxist organization. Of course Black Lives matter,
(27:15):
but the organization are Marxists.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
I would like to believe that, if so, the revolution
has already been won in those places.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
I would like to believe that each if each side
called out their own side, which we uh were talking
about on Friday or Thursday or whatever was the day
after the assassination, I'd like to believe that if both
sides called out their own side, we could tamp this down.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Maybe I'm wrong, maybe it's too late.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
Well, I'd like to believe if Judy could find a
reasonably priced pony in time for Christmas, there would be
a pony under the tree, well next to the tree probably.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
I can't believe you still want a pony so bad.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
I really do. A beautiful little pony I can call
my own. You live in town, you can't.
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You can't. Just not.
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Speaker 4 (29:10):
So do you agree with this statement or not? From
Mark Alpern in his newsletter on Sunday this morning, with
significant time to reflect for the first time since the murder,
I'm now deeply deeply worried about the country.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Yes undred percent.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
Yeah, yeah, I was there like a few years ago.
But yes, deeply deeply worried. One hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Is there any way out?
Speaker 3 (29:34):
Text line four one five two nine five KFTC. If
there is there any way out, I don't know if
there is, especially with social media the current way that
we fund our politics.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Right there's a couple.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Of things involved that I think just yeah, fashion equals
dollars and passion is off in anger and hatred.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Yep, we got email on the way and a bunch
of other stuff. Stay here.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Strong.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Are you familiar with thereddit tread a? I Ah, I
am not. I don't think so, am I the ah? Yes?
Speaker 3 (30:09):
Yeah, I've got one of those stories for about me.
Am I am I an ah in this story, I
guess would be the story. So I'll get to that
maybe an hour or two. And speaking of our two,
we'll kick it off with a fascinating discussion of the
people getting canned from their jobs because they did a
touchdown dance over poor Charlie Kirk being slaughtered in cold blood?
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Is that canceled culture from the right? Are we being hypocrites?
Speaker 4 (30:36):
God, you're such a crazy person. If you're happy about
political violence from any side.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
We will discuss. I can't understand that we will discuss meilbang.
I'm sorry, fah freedom loved what of the day?
Speaker 2 (30:49):
Sorry?
Speaker 3 (30:51):
I found this really interesting? Uh, Malcolm Nance, I didn't
have time to look up Katie.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Do you have a second figure out who this guy is?
He says.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
The funny trick that Americans do is that they managed
to convince themselves that political violence in the United States
that any one of us in the counter terrorism world
would call terrorism anywhere else is just violence in the
United States.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
You think we should be calling it terrorism.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
Well, as you know, I think the term terrorism and
terrorist has been overused to the point of it's practically
it's like fascist. It doesn't mean anything anymore. But yeah, yeah,
political violence to achieve a particular end is terrorism. Yeah.
Mail bag, which is going to factor into the discussion
next tun drop us a note mail bag at Armstrong
(31:40):
and Geddy dot com. Ryan from Houston writes Jack Joe
was the killer of Charlie Kirk, a white nationalist MAGA
grouper who felt that Charlie wasn't conservative enough. Well, if
your whole Twitter identity is you hate Maga, then there's
a ninety nine point nine percent chance you believe that
was the shooter from a good conservative home and radicalized
(32:02):
by Reddit college and had a relationship with transgender individual. Well,
if your Twitter profile leans conservative, there's a ninety nine
point nine percent chance you believe that the notion that
don't trust anything in the first twenty four hours of
breaking is out the window. When you find something that
appeals to your confirmation bias.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Yeah, and I'm going.
Speaker 4 (32:19):
To stick with this just because it's the only thing
that gives me hope. The percentage of people who are
living their lives this way is small. I'm sticking with
that partly because I want it to be true.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Yeah, I just again ask.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
Ask people forced to take humiliating anti racist training whether
that fringe group is you know, can be ignored or not.
I just think it's gone too far anyway. Let's see,
this was posted online by a number of folks. A
couple of folks sent it along. When George Floyd died,
they burned down cities. When Charlie Kirk died, we pray
(33:00):
and host vigils. We are not the same.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Hmm.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
There's a lot of truth to that. Moving along, David
on the TMZ Stafford's laughing and cheering story. I was
going to give TMZ the benefit of the doubt until
I saw the car chase video. They announced during the
car chase that the Staffords were watching that Charlie Kirk
(33:28):
had died. On the broadcast they were watching, they were
definitely cheering his death. Oh, probably already have a bunch
of email to this fact, but wanted to be sure. Yeah,
we did actually get several of them. Well, you can't
you can't blame what's his name, the guy who runs TMZ.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Harvey Levin.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
Is it for wanting to get the story out that
that's not what happened, because that's not a good look. No,
it's a terrible, terrible look.
Speaker 4 (33:52):
But he's got a bunch of young people who mostly
follow entertainment news. Am I shocked that they cheered this? No,
not really, right then, TJ in the day Beautiful Redd
and Care California writes, if you.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
Cheer political violence, you were a nut, or you've gone
so far over the line. Honestly, I don't care what
side your politics are. If you cheer political violence, you've
crossed a line. Yeah, you've seriously lost a chunk of
your soul, or you have no wisdom anyway, I don't know.
Last Friday or whatever, you guys mentioned, Patrick Mahomes come
(34:23):
out said he would pay the living expensive of Charlie
Kirk's kids. I immediately knew it wasn't true, because by
that point I had already said seen the same thing
about Justin Jefferson and C. D. Lamb of the NFL.
I don't know those people, but I assume they exist.
They're big stars. Yeah, my wife actually sent me the
one about Cedde Lamb thinking it was real. I don't
know who makes these things up. I don't understand the
(34:44):
purpose other than to cause confusion. Social media, especially Twitter,
so good with breaking news, but it's getting so difficult
to tell fact from fiction. I saw Info on the
Kirk shooter wearing a Donald Trump shirt, which is AI
generated clips claiming the show the shooter debating Kirk to
the shooting, which is actually just a guy who looked
somewhat similar. People are getting easily tricked with the stuff
and don't know it before.
Speaker 4 (35:06):
I swear that Patrick Mahomes thing was on a real
news thing because I don't just repeat right everything from everywhere,
But that doesn't mean it wasn't fake and somebody else
didn't get hooked.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Oh yeah, or about out of time. Interesting note here
from Andy saying I don't know what to tell polsters
when they ask are you against all political violence? Because
the purpose of the Second Amendment is if we are oppressed,
that we must end it by force. I think in
this moment, and he go ahead and say, you're against.
Speaker 4 (35:37):
It seems like a good idea. We get a lot
more on this topic. It's a huge one. It might
be the topic for whether or not we stay together
as a country.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
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