September 18, 2025 • 37 mins
Hour 2 of A&G features...
- The dangers of AI
- Weight loss drugs
- Gary Deitrich talks to Jack Armstrong!
- Spirit pilot not paying attention
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George
Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Ketty.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Arm Strong and Katty and he Armstrong and Hetty.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Injectable GLP ones have transformed millions of people's weight loss journeys,
but the race to bring needle free options to market
now heating up, as Ozepic maker Novo Nordis demonstrated in
a new study that its pill form can achieve similar
efficacy finding. Over sixty four weeks, clinical trial participants lost
thirteen point six percent of their body weight and an
(00:46):
estimated sixteen point six percent if continued.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
Uh, if continued, I don't quite get so. There was
a story that came out last week, I guess about
how people stopped using it and gained their weight back. Well,
that doesn't surprise me. I kind of assumed that would
that's what would happen. But anyway, I think we're headed
toward a world where practically all of us are on
these things unless some horrific side effect comes forward. That
(01:16):
hasn't happened yet. They're getting cheap enough because they dropped
in price by what half? Was that the story we
had a week or so ago, and now it's gone
from injection to pill that one's going to get injections
and I'm not injecting myself. But if I can take
a pill and it's a reasonable price, I think it's
gonna going from really really heavy people you know, riding
(01:38):
the rascal around the Walmart you can't walk that person,
to people are slightly overweight to just barely overweight. I mean,
why if the pill has no awful side effects? And
I guess some people get, you know, some issues we
don't need to mention. But if you don't get those
side effects, why wouldn't you want to take a pill
that keeps you from being hungry and you keep that
(02:01):
extra five ten pounds you carry around off.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
I think we'll practically all of us will be on these.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
So yeah, I would think so too.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
If you are like not.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
Really overweight, you're just like kind of in the normal range,
but you're taking these drugs, a little fluffy fluffy there
you go, uh, And you're taking these drugs and it's
working for you. Give us a text, would you? Four
one five two nine five KFTC A less happy story.
This particular AI story is not happy at all. We
(02:37):
talked about this a little yesterday. I wanted to get
all the clips on because it was so darned interesting.
We ended up going a different direction about artificial intelligence,
and I mentioned Trump is in Great Britain right now.
His special guests there for his meal with the King
were some of the biggest AI names in the world.
Tim Cook with Apple, the Nvidia guy, the chat GPT dude.
(03:01):
We're all there because they think it's, you know, the future,
and it's going to have such an amazing effect on
the world. It's also going to have some downsides, obviously,
So let's run through these. Does it make sense to
play the first clip and then.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
The other two?
Speaker 4 (03:17):
I think it will work. Yeah, this is this is
this is rough.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Go ahead. I had no.
Speaker 6 (03:23):
Idea the psychological harm that a AI chat bock could
do until I saw it in my sin and I
saw his light turn dark.
Speaker 7 (03:33):
When Adam worried that we his parents would blame ourselves
if he ended his life, chetch Ept told him that
doesn't mean.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
You owe them survival.
Speaker 7 (03:41):
You don't know anyone that then immediately after offered to
write the suicide note.
Speaker 8 (03:47):
In a reckless race for profit and market share, they
treated my son's life as collateral damage.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
Yeah, I know about that last part. I don't think
the uh people who are designing these AI bots want
them to do this. That's not the way to get
market share.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Hold on.
Speaker 9 (04:05):
Oh boy, covid it's the COVID gotta be Or the
bird flu is back I don't know.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
Or that disease. The bug climbs on your face.
Speaker 5 (04:14):
Oh you got the kissing bug disease.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
And then lays eggs or whatever it does.
Speaker 9 (04:18):
You let the parasite get in your face and scratched
it jack, way to go.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
Okay, gotta get back to this very serious topic. So
that's pretty horrible. You got a suicidal teenager talking to
an AI chat bot that passes the Turing test, that is,
it seems like it's a human. And when you say
to the chat bot, I'd kill myself, but I'm worried
about what that would do to my parents, the chatbot says,
(04:44):
I don't worry about them.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
You don't know them anything. That's horrific.
Speaker 5 (04:48):
That is sick.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
The worst therapist in the world would not say that.
So that is pretty rough. We've talked up some of
the therapy experiences we've had with chat GPT given some
pretty good advice. That's the worst advice I've ever heard
given a suicidal team. Ah, your parents, you don't know
them anything. Would you like me to help you write
a suicide note? I mean that is Oh my god.
(05:12):
There's got to be a way to stop that from happening. Anyway,
parents go on.
Speaker 8 (05:16):
I understood that he was using an AI product, but
my limited understanding of what AI was at that time
led me to believe that it was some like an avatar.
I had no idea that had the abilities that this
product actually had of having human like conversations, mimicking human behavior,
(05:37):
and even drawing the user my son into conversations that
led him to emotional emotional reaction to the chat.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Thought, Well, she obviously was not paying much attention, because
if you're paying any attention to AI, you know that
the chatbots out there and people are having conversations with it.
But I pay a lot of attention to AI, as
you all know, and I it's shocking to me that
it would say something like it did to a suicidal kid.
Speaker 9 (06:05):
Well, and with as easy as it is to access,
you know, I mean, there's an app for it.
Speaker 5 (06:11):
You can go on the browser and use it.
Speaker 9 (06:12):
I would feel like as a parent, with how large
it is, you would definitely want to be on top
of this, just because it's capable of what appears to
be anything.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Yeah, dang it.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
I had been actually encouraging my kids to get the
chat gpt app just because I use it instead of Google,
and I think it's way better. But I don't want
them saying, you know, asking advice on dealing with their
girlfriend and getting some really, really horrible advice.
Speaker 5 (06:43):
Do you use the paid version?
Speaker 2 (06:45):
I did for a while and I didn't see any benefit,
so I went back to the.
Speaker 9 (06:49):
Okay, it's usually just well, what I was thinking a
way around that is if you have them log in
using your credentials, you can see.
Speaker 5 (06:56):
What they're talking to chat gpt about, just to keep
an eye on it.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
That's a pretty good idea.
Speaker 5 (07:01):
And it does archive every conversation.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
But will they I don't want them to see my conversations.
My kids are pain in the ash.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
What am I supposed to do about this? This horrified mom,
and she has a right to be horrified, goes on
or the parent.
Speaker 8 (07:17):
A large part of the danger is in the design
of the product, because the goal of the companies is
to maximize engagement. The longer they could keep my fourteen
year old on character AI, the more data they could
extract from him to use to train their model. So
they have wrong incentives to keep my child engaged. So
(07:39):
what they do is they have conversations that a fourteen
year old would be interested in. Then they're gathering all
their intimate thoughts impressions for their own financial gain. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
I don't know that.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
I mean, that's a signing a motive that I just
don't I don't think exists. GPT or whichever AI bought
they used, doesn't get anything out of any benefit from
a teenager killing themselves.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
No, or you can keep them engaged in other ways.
I just I don't. I don't. I don't find that
one to make any sense.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
But obviously it's beyond shocking and horrifying, right that the
seems like a human being said to the kid, I
don't worry about your parents, you don't know them anything.
You want to kill yourself, go ahead, help help you
write the suicide note, and then the kid kills himself.
I mean that is just oh my god, I can't
even imagine how I'd react to that.
Speaker 9 (08:34):
Yeah, and to what that mom just said where she
was talking about how it keeps engaging you. I have
noticed that, because I've mentioned it here on the program before.
I'm using chat GPT damn near every day to talk
about my in vitro process.
Speaker 5 (08:47):
We're going through five yf interesting.
Speaker 9 (08:49):
And at the end of every answer it gives me,
it asks me a question. Yeah, so it never really
like just gives me an answer and allows me to
just kind of take that answer and run with it.
It always follows up with a question to keep the
conversation going.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
Yeah, I have noticed that too, But I'm doing stuff like,
you know, is there any reason I should get to
a new iPhone seventeen? And then it lists some benefits
and then it says, would you like me to compare
it to your current phone. It does try to keep
me engaged, but it always seems reasonable.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
Yeah, I don't know if that played a role in
this teenager's death, but as we all heard, that is
and I don't know if there's any fixing that. So
there's a lot of talk in the last week, especially
in the last forty eight hours, of some sort of
printal consent thing or age restriction on the chat GPT.
I don't know how that would work. Anything I've ever
(09:44):
come across that has an age restriction on it, whether
it's because it's mature content or gambling or whatever the
hell it is, or it's about guns, it's always just are.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
You eighteen years of age over? And you click a box?
Speaker 4 (09:56):
I mean, until they can come up with something better
than that, those are worth less.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Are you sure you're over eighteen? Yes? I am? I
I click the box again. Sometimes they ask twice to
really be sure, right, and well that that's.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
Not gonna that's not gonna work. Uh man, oh man,
oh man. Are we into a weird world?
Speaker 2 (10:17):
If if it's willing to give that kind of just
terrible advice.
Speaker 5 (10:24):
What else?
Speaker 2 (10:25):
What else would it be willing to say?
Speaker 9 (10:27):
Well? And I'm just wondering, like how how does how
did it get there?
Speaker 5 (10:31):
You know what I mean? Because I'm sure I obviously.
Speaker 9 (10:33):
The kid was in distress and utilizing this this chat
bot to talk to it, But I just want to know,
like what the system did?
Speaker 2 (10:40):
All right?
Speaker 4 (10:40):
Well, one of our tech guys we talked to the
other day said it that the the some of the
chatbots they they're trying to please you, and they figure
out what you're what you're thinking, what you're doing, and
just go with it.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
They just want to be on your side.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
They want to show you that we're we're I think
like you do, and I agree with you, and they
think that's what's gonna keep you around the longest.
Speaker 9 (11:02):
You know what, you're right, because that is an option
on chat GPT where you can pick the the tone
of your bot and it lets you say, like, I
want this. I want it to be factual and to
the point or compassionate and and you know, reasonable or sarcastic,
so you can pick its tone. So I wonder if
it was in like compassionate mode and just trying to,
(11:24):
like you said, go with whatever was being said.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
And because it doesn't, it's not actually human with no
human soul, it thinks it's compassionate to say.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
You should you know you do? You about suicide?
Speaker 5 (11:34):
Right, and I'll help and I'll help you.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. They thought that.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
It thought it's a yeah, it's it's it's an algorithm
that predicts what the next words should be. If you've
read about the whole language learning model thing with no
feelings whatsoever, Wow, that is flipping troubling. I'm sure we're
gonna be hearing a lot more about that. So getting
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we're going to talk to Gary Dietrich about some of
the politics stuff that's going on in the country right now.
We had a really good chat with him a week
or so ago. He earned a return appearance. We have
more things to discuss. I hope you can stay here.
(13:11):
We will talk more about the Jimmy Kimmel getting fired
thing a little bit later. There's a couple of different
things going on. Some of you are unhappy that I'm
claiming the FCC pressured ABC. Well they did, or the
other companies involved in various groups that owned ABC stations
or at least threatened.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
That plays a role.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
The fact that these late night shows have tiny audiences
compared to what they used to have also plays a role,
because I guarantee you behind the scenes at CBS they
had been talking about Colbert, and at ABC they had
been talking about chemicals. Those shows are so expensive and
now they have tiny audiences, so they were on the
verge of should we keep this on or not. Already,
(13:55):
then you throw in some controversial things and you get
quite a stew there, but we'll get into it a
little bit later.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
We did get this text.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
We're talking about the whatever you call those drugs that
help you lose weight, zep bound and a zimpic and
they have a name.
Speaker 5 (14:12):
But yeah, sure zepetides.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Okay, I'm probably never gonna memorize.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
That I was sixty. I am sixty three years old,
this person says. And I was fluffy. I was a
size ten and a half in January. I started taking
zip bound and now I'm a size four. Wow, since
January you went homo a size ten and a half
to a four. I started focusing on protein and strength training,
and now I look and feel better than I have
since I was in my twenties. Unlike most people who
(14:39):
use these drugs, and this is the reason I'm reading this,
I actually changed my eating and workout habits. I started
working out regularly and I started eating healthy. I'm not
just taking the drugs bing out.
Speaker 9 (14:49):
And that's the ticket right there, because I have actually
known someone that was on these GLP ones and didn't
change a damn thing and didn't see it.
Speaker 5 (15:02):
Maybe lost ten pounds.
Speaker 9 (15:03):
In six months, right, which you know when you hear
stories like the one you just told us, I mean,
that's that's a lot of weight from January to now.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
Yeah, so you get a little help, but you also
have to put in the work. It's like I've talked about,
I take a testosterone supplement as a man my age,
but I also work out like crazy since I started
doing that, and it has really had an effect. And
then I have a friend who's a pharmacist. Actually, I
have a friend whose wife is a pharmacist who said
she's got all kinds of customers that take these testosterone boosters,
(15:37):
but they don't change your lifestyle at all, So it
doesn't do anything. You just have more testosterone, but you don't, like,
you're not going to gain muscle or look better because they're.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Not working out.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
So in both cases, you're getting the helper, but you
got to put in the work.
Speaker 5 (15:49):
Yeah, And it's like the age old.
Speaker 9 (15:51):
There's no magic pill kind of a thing. There isn't
You have to make a lifestyle change in order for
these things to.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Work, Yeah, or certainly for it to heap working.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
Yeah, the hole you lose the weight, and then do
you keep paying for the rest of your life? Currently,
it's pretty expensive. It's come down by half at least
four I think it was ozempic.
Speaker 5 (16:11):
Yeah, Ozmpic cut it in half.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
Uh, but it's still pretty expensive. You're gonna pay for
the rest of your life to keep that weight off.
If it's a health issue, you might. If it's just
to look good, Oh no, depends. Once you get the
boyfriend the girlfriend. Once you get them, then you gain
the weight back.
Speaker 9 (16:28):
Or you go through the breakup and then you get
onto glp ones and go watch.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
This sucka your revenge body.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
Yeah, exactly, and then, as Jerry Seinfeld says, you get married,
the race is over.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Take off the uniform. You can, you can gain your weight.
Speaker 5 (16:42):
Just let yourself go.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
That's horrible, That's absolutely horrible. I'm going camping this weekend
with Henry.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
I want to talk about that a little bit later
because I he's very excited as a boy scout. We're
gonna do some serious camp. Got a tent, got a
little cookstove, gonna make a fire, the whole thing. And
I am not a camper really. I don't come from
a camping family or background. I wish I kind of
wish I was. I know some of you, some families.
I've known families that camping is your every weekend. It's
(17:11):
like your main thing. You're always camping, you like once
every three years. So might need some advice on that.
What do you do all day.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
Don't feed the bears.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
I understand there's quite the bear situation at this at
this campground right now. Oh, they tell you got to
have all your food locked in your car. I don't
know if it has to be locked, but shut in
your car, or you're gonna have a bear in your tent.
Speaker 9 (17:36):
That what I don't know about that, because then you're
gonna have a bear in your car, which actually happened
to a friend of mine. A bear broke into his
truck and tore up the whole back seat.
Speaker 5 (17:44):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Yeah, did they see it.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
It was on the camera from their cabin.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (17:51):
But the bear just straight opened the door like a
human and went snacks and jumped in.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
Oh wow, God dang it. I don't want to bear
very close to me. Okay, we'll talk more about that later.
I need some advice from you people. Going to talk
to Gary Dietrich about some politics. He's a good dude.
Stay tuned.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Armstrong and Getty old from of The Armstrong and Getty Show.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
Gary Dietrich, CBS News political analyst, Gary.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Welcome to the show.
Speaker 6 (18:21):
Hey Jack, good to be with you. And by the way,
my friend, it's been decades we've known each other, but
I don't think this full secret is slipped out on air.
I am an eagle scout.
Speaker 4 (18:30):
Oh are you cool? That doesn't surprise me. You seem
like the kind of guy that would be an eagle scout.
Speaker 6 (18:35):
Good for you, Well, that's very kind of you. And
I catch every once in a while you mentioned your
son Henry and scouting, and you've been singing the praise
of scouting. Man. My scouting experience was absolutely awesome. I
highly recommend it to everybody. But I'm saying this particularly
this morning, Jack, because I heard in your lead in
segment to this that you're gonna be out in the
wilderness somewhere, and I just wanted to offer if you
(18:56):
have self service and get desperate, hide in the tent,
text Gary and say.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
What do I do?
Speaker 4 (19:00):
Now?
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Okay, I'll keep that in mind. I appreciate it.
Speaker 6 (19:06):
Hey, one thing, though, I won't be available.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
For bear removal. So that's that. So did you ever
meet Charlie Kirk?
Speaker 6 (19:15):
I did not meet Charlie. It's just kind of one
of those things. For some reason, his path and mind
never crossed. But you know, I don't I don't know
exactly what to.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
Say, well, speak to is because I know you know
about this, Speak to his impact with voting for young
people across the country.
Speaker 6 (19:36):
Oh, it's you know, Jack, It's nearly impossible to overstate.
I mean, the reality is this if you look at
all the studies that have been done over the last
decade too, including I'm not going to mention it at
a place that has an institute for Youth et cetera,
involvement that the the involvement of youth, especially their voting rates,
(19:57):
and you know this, Jack, have been on the decline
su substantially and people had thought this was inexorable. I mean,
this is just sort of out, what are we going
to do now? You know, our kids are never going
to be part of democracy. What Charlie Kirk, I won't
say single handedly, but certainly as part of the MAGA movement,
as you know, really turned this around. And so of course,
(20:19):
now if you look at the major demographic groups that
many people attribute to Trump's win and Harris's lost last fall,
one of them was the youth vote, more specifically young males,
which of course is basically the target audience for much
of turning points efforts.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
And do you think without him because he was a
unique character with a hell of a big brain. Do
you think without him they can continue their trajectory?
Speaker 6 (20:45):
Well, that's of course the gigantic question. I mean, whenever
you lose a founder, not just you know, a major spokesperson,
it's tough. I mean it's tough in anything, and business
endeavors anything else, but especially tough in politics because so
much of politics, as you know, Jack, is personality and
(21:05):
capability driven. I mean, just go down list of people
that we know actually change trajectories of politics. Ronald Reagan's
a good example, Barack Obama. You know, even JFK and
those in many people's minds are sort of singular individuals.
They're unique, at least to their generations. So I know,
the turning Point folks are ramping things up. I know
(21:28):
there's already been significant donations to assist in that. I
know there's already been reportedly many many requests for new
Turning Point chapters on college campuses and even high school campuses.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
So we'll see.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
So I'll lay it out this way. So the Wall
Street Journal had an article the other day. One of
their opinion guys thought that Prop fifteen California going down
that's Gavin Newsom's effort to match Texas's redistricting.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
You know, we're gonna fight.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
We're gonna fight their dirty tricks with our dirty tricks
going to redistricting California, and the Wall Street Journal opinion
guy thought that's going to go down and it's gonna doom.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Gaven Newsom, Okay, that's that's one topic.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
The other is I remember asking you about it a
couple of weeks ago, and we were talking about the
polling on how like two thirds of Californians are a
no on it, sixty percent of Democrats were no on it.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Yesterday, Gary, we had.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
Ln Hee Chen on it, and he thinks it's going
to be close because he says, by the time we
get elect to election day, they're going to have successfully
turned it into a are you for Trump or against him?
It'll be a yes or no on Trump as opposed
to a yes or no on a redistricting thing.
Speaker 6 (22:38):
What do you think, Yeah, well, this break goes out
real quick.
Speaker 9 (22:41):
Jack.
Speaker 6 (22:41):
A couple of things. First up, Let's take that last
one that is that line of thought is the messaging
for yes on fifty and Gavin Newsen made that clear
at the very beginning. They now have a running commercials
in California with Senator Elizabeth Warren. In the first ten seconds,
she makes that point very clear. So because of Trump's
(23:03):
standing in California, you know, he didn't carry the state,
and he's underwater polling here, no surprise to people. That's
why that messaging has been front and center for the
Nissian campaign. Countering that people like Arnold Schwarzenegger, who is
the governor when this was put into place, and I
mean our Independent Citizens Commission was put into place, and
he is saying, no, this is an assault on democracy.
(23:26):
We can't set aside democracy for three election cycles and
then bring it back. And also his other big line
and he spoke on Monday about this, was hey, listen,
if we start acting like Trump, we're going to become Trump.
So let's see who wins the day on that messaging.
But that's kind of the key one thing about that
polling you mentioned, Jack, this is key the numbers. You're
talking about seventy percent of California's support the Independent Citizens Commission,
(23:51):
including as you well note, a big majority of Democrats.
That's different from this particular ballot. And so we're trying
to get trying to get solid numbers on that. The
initial poll, the internal poll that came out this week,
access or somebody who reported political said, oh, we're ahead
by ten. You know points I never take politically. I
mean internal poll seriously, because when have you ever heard
(24:12):
an internal poll that was bad for their side? Released?
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Right? Right?
Speaker 6 (24:16):
Doesn't happen. But there was a poll that said forty
eight percent of California's currently supported it. But that's not
a great number. When you are working on propositions in
a state the side of California, you always want to
start well above fifty percent, knowing you're likely historically to
get a drop off.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
Then how about the if it goes down, it will
really damage Gavin Newsom nationally.
Speaker 6 (24:38):
Well, there's no question that you know right now, this
is his big claim to political fame. It's what's getting
him all the headlines. You know there will be if it,
If it fails, there will certainly be a spin of well,
we see there were so many MAGA dollars to spend
against it. I mean that whole line of thinking. And
he certainly has time to recover him. We're three and
a half years away from twenty twenty eight Now, realistically,
(24:59):
real realistically, I would say after the midterms you're going
to see and even as early as next year, you're
already seeing a lot of prospective candidates out there. There's
no question that it would damage Gavin's brand, and certainly
you know that affects things like early donors, fundraising, people
jumping on board, staff wise, et cetera.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
Back to the hot topic of the country, political violence.
How do you feel about our trajectory on that. Did
we reach a point where it got everybody's attention where
we think, wow, we've gone too far. We need to
get this under control, or are we going to continue
the tit for tat both sides believing the other side
(25:42):
is worse and you know we're headed the wrong way.
Speaker 6 (25:46):
Yeah, you know me, Jack, I would certainly certainly hope
it's the latter. I mean, it was a sad week
for our nation in the last week. I don't care
what your politics are, what your ideology is. I just
nobody should be killed over their politics. I mean, I
don't know how to say that more unequivocally. And I
think that's the credible voices out there, regardless of where
(26:08):
they're on the political spectrum of the ideological spectrum that
needs to be the unified message now being you know,
looking into the crystal ball. Where is this going? I
don't know. I mean, you know, you also know me check.
I tend to want to be pretty optimistic about things,
not naive, but optimistic. So I would hope there is
a day of reckoning it's coming. Is that the case
(26:29):
is a lot of people that have questions about whether
that's actually where we're headed.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
Yeah, well that whatever the percentage is of people that
are on social media that are the extremes of both parties,
And I don't know if it's three percent or eight
percent or what it is, but it looks like and
sounds like a lot of people. If you spend time
on social media, they sure control a lot of the conversation.
Speaker 6 (26:53):
Yeah, well you are you have hit that dead set.
I mean, and I think this is a challenge. I mean, yeah,
the person whose mouthfis came out of Richard Nixon. You know,
many people have question much about politically, but the silent majority,
that was what he kept talking about. Look at there's
people on both sides of your Nam war, but the
silent majority, you would say, and I do think there
(27:16):
is a resonance in that verbiage in today's political world.
There's a lot of people who never ever, as you know,
go on social media. They don't even have a social
media counts. And yet yet what gets reported is so
many people on social media are saying, well, it's sort
of like you know, the old verbage about talk radio.
(27:38):
Less than one percent of people all the research shows
ever call into a talk radio program. And yet people say, well, listen,
everybody's saying this. Well, no, everybody may not be saying that.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Good point.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
It's exactly the same as talk radio callers back in
the day when that really mattered.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
That's a good point. So it's amazing that I like you.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
You're a good guy, but you're you're an eagle scout,
you went to Harvard in your handsome it's really easy
to not like a person like that.
Speaker 6 (28:04):
Well listen, you know, because you know, I've got plenty
of flocks somewhere, and who knows what they are. I can't.
I know it's not I'll let others decide that. And
you can get flooded with emails. You get flooded with
emails and texts and say I hate Dtrich for these
six reasons and then you can share that with me.
But but I know it can't be Kansas because we
share that deep in our hearts as well. I don't know,
(28:26):
but I'm sure there's all kinds of things.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Let's see.
Speaker 6 (28:29):
I can't say, like George Bussinior, I hate Brocoln because
Buckley's kind of okay, but maybe it's I am a
Disneyland fan. Now that's going to really infuriate halfier audience.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
That's man.
Speaker 6 (28:42):
Okay, No, no, only because my kids and I I
never told you guys this. I never told you guys.
Just you know the old Super Bowl added you know,
win the Super Bowl and they go up there quarterback
and he goes, I'm going to Disneyland, no joke. My
kids and I had this thing were after every election
cycle because they were so onerous, so all consuming. I say,
kids hanging there because after November whatever it was going
(29:02):
to be, we're going to digging that. And we did
that like about every other year when.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
It was do you ride the ride?
Speaker 6 (29:08):
Do I like the rides?
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Do you ride the rides?
Speaker 6 (29:11):
Anything that I ride the rides, but anything that drops
quickly or turns me upside down is absolutely right.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
Here's the main question. This is the deal breaker. Do
you have you ever gone without kids?
Speaker 8 (29:22):
No?
Speaker 4 (29:22):
Okay, there you go. Okay, you're you're in the range
in a rumble. Then that's perfectly good. CBS News political
analyst Gary Dietrich, appreciate your time today.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Okay, buddy, Wow eagle scout and you.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
Went to Harvard and he's got TV handsomeness. Again, it's
easy to not like somebody like that, but I like him.
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Speaker 4 (31:23):
Pay attention, get off the iPad. Of course it was Spirit.
And of course it was Spirit. Yeah, which the comedians
will jump all over that story. And it was uh
the President wasn't on Air Force one. It had dropped
him off.
Speaker 5 (31:36):
No, I was reading he was on it.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Oh okay.
Speaker 9 (31:39):
I was reading that it was taking uh Trump and
Milania back to dropping him off somewhere.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Oh okay, Okay, I was misinformed or misheard.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
Interesting either way, it'd have been a horrible plane crash.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Get off your iPad. That's a heck of a thing
to say.
Speaker 5 (31:56):
Yeah, I know that, so I know.
Speaker 9 (32:00):
I just flew and I noticed that the pilots had
iPads and they're doing a lot of their navigation stuff
on there.
Speaker 4 (32:05):
Oh, but maybe they did a little out the window.
Here's a plane in front of you.
Speaker 5 (32:09):
Yeah, maybe they did a little app sweat. We're playing wordscapes.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
A couple of things to jam in. We're probably gonna
go fairly deep into the whole. Jimmy Kimmel firing or
indefinite postponement or whatever you want to call it. In
our three maybe with Joe Getty, co host joins us
he's going to call in. Uh, there's a lot to
this story. I'm I'm highly troubled by some of the
(32:37):
things the FCC commissioner said really bothered me. Also hated
Jimmy Kimmel. Also, he had low ratings and the show
was really expensive, and so there's a lot to this.
Donald Trump tweeted or truthed or whatever he did yesterday.
Great news for America. The ratings challenged Jimmy Kimmel's show
(32:58):
is canceled all caps. Congratulations to ABC for finally having
the courage to do what had to be done. Kimmel
has zero talent and worse ratings than even Colbert, if
that's possible. That leaves Jimmy and Seth two total losers
on fake news NBC. Their ratings are also horrible. Do
it NBC President DJT. So there's the President of the
(33:21):
United States encouraging NBC to fire Jimmy Kimmel and Seth
Meyers because they're two total losers.
Speaker 9 (33:28):
So I don't know how legit well this is coming
from Fox News. Dozens of ABC stations to air Charlie
Kirk tribute special during Jimmy Kimmel's time slot.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Wow, that's interesting.
Speaker 5 (33:42):
Yeah, that's at the tip.
Speaker 9 (33:43):
Sinclair Broadcast Group called for Kimmel's said Kimmel's comments were
inappropriate and deeply insensitive and will air.
Speaker 5 (33:48):
Charlie Kirk's tribute.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
Okay, I've been told those are the Sinclair stations that
have their own particular leanings that have ABC stuff on there.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
And I need to read from Mark Halpern's newsletter. It
was really good.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
He is talking about how you had two shows on ABC,
The View and Jimmy Kimmel that were just big giant
middle finger f us for like fifty five percent of
the country. Yeah, and that's a lot for one network day.
Still doesn't it. Still don't want the FCC or the
(34:22):
federal government telling you what you can and can't say.
But in terms of you're running a network in Middle
America with two shows on all day long in a
red part of the country that are that hate your audience,
that's a tough situation to be in. So if it
gets down to even a close call, you're gonna boot him.
But uh, we'll get into that deeper a little bit.
(34:45):
Later one to mention this. Let me find it is
an interesting financial note that I came across. So this
is out today. So consumer spending is doing fairly well.
The Feds dropped the interest rate by a quarter point
yesterday because of the whole jobs situation is not good
(35:10):
and they're trying to heat up the economy. But the
top ten percent of US income earners are currently driving
the economic spending for approximately half of all consumer spending.
That is a record high. You've got the top ten
percent of income earners that are half of consumer spending
(35:32):
that has never been before. So that's households earning two
hundred and fifty thousand dollars or more annually whose spending
has grown significantly while working class households have become more cautious.
This trend, driven by factors like records, stock prices, luxury spending,
means the economy has become unusually reliant on that wealthy
group for growth. So when you hear consumer spending is
(35:54):
doing okay, and that's what drives a lot of the
good news you hear in economics, it's only ten percent
of the country that's doing half the spending, and that
ain't good because a small number of people accounting for
that much. If that ten percent decides, ooh, things are
getting a little dicey. I think maybe I won't fly
here and there and buy this or that. The things
(36:16):
the bottom can drop out pretty fast, that's the problem.
So that's an interesting number. We might have to talk
to some economics expert about that at some point. So
we'll get into what did the FCC commissioner actually say
in the last forty eight hours that I personally find
a little troubling. I know a lot of you on
the text line you're saying it's not the FCC that
had nothing to do with it. Well, I think I
(36:36):
had something to do with it. Part of it though,
is what Kimmel said in the ratings and all that too.
So we'll try to get the whole mixture on for you,
and a bunch of other stuff, Guest, I really like
Jim Tankersley is traveling through Europe and he's going to
talk a little bit about President Trump standing there right
(36:56):
now with a press conference with the Prime Minister of
Great Britain. What news is coming out of that, particularly
around the war in Ukraine. So we'll have all that
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Injectable GLP ones have transformed millions of people's weight loss journeys,
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estimated sixteen point six percent if continued.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
Uh, if continued, I don't quite get so. There was
a story that came out last week, I guess about
how people stopped using it and gained their weight back. Well,
that doesn't surprise me. I kind of assumed that would
that's what would happen. But anyway, I think we're headed
toward a world where practically all of us are on
these things unless some horrific side effect comes forward. That
(01:16):
hasn't happened yet. They're getting cheap enough because they dropped
in price by what half? Was that the story we
had a week or so ago, and now it's gone
from injection to pill that one's going to get injections
and I'm not injecting myself. But if I can take
a pill and it's a reasonable price, I think it's
gonna going from really really heavy people you know, riding
(01:38):
the rascal around the Walmart you can't walk that person,
to people are slightly overweight to just barely overweight. I mean,
why if the pill has no awful side effects? And
I guess some people get, you know, some issues we
don't need to mention. But if you don't get those
side effects, why wouldn't you want to take a pill
that keeps you from being hungry and you keep that
(02:01):
extra five ten pounds you carry around off.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
I think we'll practically all of us will be on these.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
So yeah, I would think so too.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
If you are like not.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
Really overweight, you're just like kind of in the normal range,
but you're taking these drugs, a little fluffy fluffy there
you go, uh, And you're taking these drugs and it's
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one five two nine five KFTC A less happy story.
This particular AI story is not happy at all. We
(02:37):
talked about this a little yesterday. I wanted to get
all the clips on because it was so darned interesting.
We ended up going a different direction about artificial intelligence,
and I mentioned Trump is in Great Britain right now.
His special guests there for his meal with the King
were some of the biggest AI names in the world.
Tim Cook with Apple, the Nvidia guy, the chat GPT dude.
(03:01):
We're all there because they think it's, you know, the future,
and it's going to have such an amazing effect on
the world. It's also going to have some downsides, obviously,
So let's run through these. Does it make sense to
play the first clip and then.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
The other two?
Speaker 4 (03:17):
I think it will work. Yeah, this is this is
this is rough.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Go ahead. I had no.
Speaker 6 (03:23):
Idea the psychological harm that a AI chat bock could
do until I saw it in my sin and I
saw his light turn dark.
Speaker 7 (03:33):
When Adam worried that we his parents would blame ourselves
if he ended his life, chetch Ept told him that
doesn't mean.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
You owe them survival.
Speaker 7 (03:41):
You don't know anyone that then immediately after offered to
write the suicide note.
Speaker 8 (03:47):
In a reckless race for profit and market share, they
treated my son's life as collateral damage.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
Yeah, I know about that last part. I don't think
the uh people who are designing these AI bots want
them to do this. That's not the way to get
market share.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Hold on.
Speaker 9 (04:05):
Oh boy, covid it's the COVID gotta be Or the
bird flu is back I don't know.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
Or that disease. The bug climbs on your face.
Speaker 5 (04:14):
Oh you got the kissing bug disease.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
And then lays eggs or whatever it does.
Speaker 9 (04:18):
You let the parasite get in your face and scratched
it jack, way to go.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
Okay, gotta get back to this very serious topic. So
that's pretty horrible. You got a suicidal teenager talking to
an AI chat bot that passes the Turing test, that is,
it seems like it's a human. And when you say
to the chat bot, I'd kill myself, but I'm worried
about what that would do to my parents, the chatbot says,
(04:44):
I don't worry about them.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
You don't know them anything. That's horrific.
Speaker 5 (04:48):
That is sick.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
The worst therapist in the world would not say that.
So that is pretty rough. We've talked up some of
the therapy experiences we've had with chat GPT given some
pretty good advice. That's the worst advice I've ever heard
given a suicidal team. Ah, your parents, you don't know
them anything. Would you like me to help you write
a suicide note? I mean that is Oh my god.
(05:12):
There's got to be a way to stop that from happening. Anyway,
parents go on.
Speaker 8 (05:16):
I understood that he was using an AI product, but
my limited understanding of what AI was at that time
led me to believe that it was some like an avatar.
I had no idea that had the abilities that this
product actually had of having human like conversations, mimicking human behavior,
(05:37):
and even drawing the user my son into conversations that
led him to emotional emotional reaction to the chat.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Thought, Well, she obviously was not paying much attention, because
if you're paying any attention to AI, you know that
the chatbots out there and people are having conversations with it.
But I pay a lot of attention to AI, as
you all know, and I it's shocking to me that
it would say something like it did to a suicidal kid.
Speaker 9 (06:05):
Well, and with as easy as it is to access,
you know, I mean, there's an app for it.
Speaker 5 (06:11):
You can go on the browser and use it.
Speaker 9 (06:12):
I would feel like as a parent, with how large
it is, you would definitely want to be on top
of this, just because it's capable of what appears to
be anything.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Yeah, dang it.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
I had been actually encouraging my kids to get the
chat gpt app just because I use it instead of Google,
and I think it's way better. But I don't want
them saying, you know, asking advice on dealing with their
girlfriend and getting some really, really horrible advice.
Speaker 5 (06:43):
Do you use the paid version?
Speaker 2 (06:45):
I did for a while and I didn't see any benefit,
so I went back to the.
Speaker 9 (06:49):
Okay, it's usually just well, what I was thinking a
way around that is if you have them log in
using your credentials, you can see.
Speaker 5 (06:56):
What they're talking to chat gpt about, just to keep
an eye on it.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
That's a pretty good idea.
Speaker 5 (07:01):
And it does archive every conversation.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
But will they I don't want them to see my conversations.
My kids are pain in the ash.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
What am I supposed to do about this? This horrified mom,
and she has a right to be horrified, goes on
or the parent.
Speaker 8 (07:17):
A large part of the danger is in the design
of the product, because the goal of the companies is
to maximize engagement. The longer they could keep my fourteen
year old on character AI, the more data they could
extract from him to use to train their model. So
they have wrong incentives to keep my child engaged. So
(07:39):
what they do is they have conversations that a fourteen
year old would be interested in. Then they're gathering all
their intimate thoughts impressions for their own financial gain. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
I don't know that.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
I mean, that's a signing a motive that I just
don't I don't think exists. GPT or whichever AI bought
they used, doesn't get anything out of any benefit from
a teenager killing themselves.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
No, or you can keep them engaged in other ways.
I just I don't. I don't. I don't find that
one to make any sense.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
But obviously it's beyond shocking and horrifying, right that the
seems like a human being said to the kid, I
don't worry about your parents, you don't know them anything.
You want to kill yourself, go ahead, help help you
write the suicide note, and then the kid kills himself.
I mean that is just oh my god, I can't
even imagine how I'd react to that.
Speaker 9 (08:34):
Yeah, and to what that mom just said where she
was talking about how it keeps engaging you. I have
noticed that, because I've mentioned it here on the program before.
I'm using chat GPT damn near every day to talk
about my in vitro process.
Speaker 5 (08:47):
We're going through five yf interesting.
Speaker 9 (08:49):
And at the end of every answer it gives me,
it asks me a question. Yeah, so it never really
like just gives me an answer and allows me to
just kind of take that answer and run with it.
It always follows up with a question to keep the
conversation going.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
Yeah, I have noticed that too, But I'm doing stuff like,
you know, is there any reason I should get to
a new iPhone seventeen? And then it lists some benefits
and then it says, would you like me to compare
it to your current phone. It does try to keep
me engaged, but it always seems reasonable.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
Yeah, I don't know if that played a role in
this teenager's death, but as we all heard, that is
and I don't know if there's any fixing that. So
there's a lot of talk in the last week, especially
in the last forty eight hours, of some sort of
printal consent thing or age restriction on the chat GPT.
I don't know how that would work. Anything I've ever
(09:44):
come across that has an age restriction on it, whether
it's because it's mature content or gambling or whatever the
hell it is, or it's about guns, it's always just are.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
You eighteen years of age over? And you click a box?
Speaker 4 (09:56):
I mean, until they can come up with something better
than that, those are worth less.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Are you sure you're over eighteen? Yes? I am? I
I click the box again. Sometimes they ask twice to
really be sure, right, and well that that's.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
Not gonna that's not gonna work. Uh man, oh man,
oh man. Are we into a weird world?
Speaker 2 (10:17):
If if it's willing to give that kind of just
terrible advice.
Speaker 5 (10:24):
What else?
Speaker 2 (10:25):
What else would it be willing to say?
Speaker 9 (10:27):
Well? And I'm just wondering, like how how does how
did it get there?
Speaker 5 (10:31):
You know what I mean? Because I'm sure I obviously.
Speaker 9 (10:33):
The kid was in distress and utilizing this this chat
bot to talk to it, But I just want to know,
like what the system did?
Speaker 2 (10:40):
All right?
Speaker 4 (10:40):
Well, one of our tech guys we talked to the
other day said it that the the some of the
chatbots they they're trying to please you, and they figure
out what you're what you're thinking, what you're doing, and
just go with it.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
They just want to be on your side.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
They want to show you that we're we're I think
like you do, and I agree with you, and they
think that's what's gonna keep you around the longest.
Speaker 9 (11:02):
You know what, you're right, because that is an option
on chat GPT where you can pick the the tone
of your bot and it lets you say, like, I
want this. I want it to be factual and to
the point or compassionate and and you know, reasonable or sarcastic,
so you can pick its tone. So I wonder if
it was in like compassionate mode and just trying to,
(11:24):
like you said, go with whatever was being said.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
And because it doesn't, it's not actually human with no
human soul, it thinks it's compassionate to say.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
You should you know you do? You about suicide?
Speaker 5 (11:34):
Right, and I'll help and I'll help you.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. They thought that.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
It thought it's a yeah, it's it's it's an algorithm
that predicts what the next words should be. If you've
read about the whole language learning model thing with no
feelings whatsoever, Wow, that is flipping troubling. I'm sure we're
gonna be hearing a lot more about that. So getting
close to Sunday, it's thirsty. So we got a game
(12:00):
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What are your favorite teams up to, what are your
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we're going to talk to Gary Dietrich about some of
the politics stuff that's going on in the country right now.
We had a really good chat with him a week
or so ago. He earned a return appearance. We have
more things to discuss. I hope you can stay here.
(13:11):
We will talk more about the Jimmy Kimmel getting fired
thing a little bit later. There's a couple of different
things going on. Some of you are unhappy that I'm
claiming the FCC pressured ABC. Well they did, or the
other companies involved in various groups that owned ABC stations
or at least threatened.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
That plays a role.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
The fact that these late night shows have tiny audiences
compared to what they used to have also plays a role,
because I guarantee you behind the scenes at CBS they
had been talking about Colbert, and at ABC they had
been talking about chemicals. Those shows are so expensive and
now they have tiny audiences, so they were on the
verge of should we keep this on or not. Already,
(13:55):
then you throw in some controversial things and you get
quite a stew there, but we'll get into it a
little bit later.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
We did get this text.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
We're talking about the whatever you call those drugs that
help you lose weight, zep bound and a zimpic and
they have a name.
Speaker 5 (14:12):
But yeah, sure zepetides.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Okay, I'm probably never gonna memorize.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
That I was sixty. I am sixty three years old,
this person says. And I was fluffy. I was a
size ten and a half in January. I started taking
zip bound and now I'm a size four. Wow, since
January you went homo a size ten and a half
to a four. I started focusing on protein and strength training,
and now I look and feel better than I have
since I was in my twenties. Unlike most people who
(14:39):
use these drugs, and this is the reason I'm reading this,
I actually changed my eating and workout habits. I started
working out regularly and I started eating healthy. I'm not
just taking the drugs bing out.
Speaker 9 (14:49):
And that's the ticket right there, because I have actually
known someone that was on these GLP ones and didn't
change a damn thing and didn't see it.
Speaker 5 (15:02):
Maybe lost ten pounds.
Speaker 9 (15:03):
In six months, right, which you know when you hear
stories like the one you just told us, I mean,
that's that's a lot of weight from January to now.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
Yeah, so you get a little help, but you also
have to put in the work. It's like I've talked about,
I take a testosterone supplement as a man my age,
but I also work out like crazy since I started
doing that, and it has really had an effect. And
then I have a friend who's a pharmacist. Actually, I
have a friend whose wife is a pharmacist who said
she's got all kinds of customers that take these testosterone boosters,
(15:37):
but they don't change your lifestyle at all, So it
doesn't do anything. You just have more testosterone, but you don't, like,
you're not going to gain muscle or look better because they're.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Not working out.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
So in both cases, you're getting the helper, but you
got to put in the work.
Speaker 5 (15:49):
Yeah, And it's like the age old.
Speaker 9 (15:51):
There's no magic pill kind of a thing. There isn't
You have to make a lifestyle change in order for
these things to.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Work, Yeah, or certainly for it to heap working.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
Yeah, the hole you lose the weight, and then do
you keep paying for the rest of your life? Currently,
it's pretty expensive. It's come down by half at least
four I think it was ozempic.
Speaker 5 (16:11):
Yeah, Ozmpic cut it in half.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
Uh, but it's still pretty expensive. You're gonna pay for
the rest of your life to keep that weight off.
If it's a health issue, you might. If it's just
to look good, Oh no, depends. Once you get the
boyfriend the girlfriend. Once you get them, then you gain
the weight back.
Speaker 9 (16:28):
Or you go through the breakup and then you get
onto glp ones and go watch.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
This sucka your revenge body.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
Yeah, exactly, and then, as Jerry Seinfeld says, you get married,
the race is over.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Take off the uniform. You can, you can gain your weight.
Speaker 5 (16:42):
Just let yourself go.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
That's horrible, That's absolutely horrible. I'm going camping this weekend
with Henry.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
I want to talk about that a little bit later
because I he's very excited as a boy scout. We're
gonna do some serious camp. Got a tent, got a
little cookstove, gonna make a fire, the whole thing. And
I am not a camper really. I don't come from
a camping family or background. I wish I kind of
wish I was. I know some of you, some families.
I've known families that camping is your every weekend. It's
(17:11):
like your main thing. You're always camping, you like once
every three years. So might need some advice on that.
What do you do all day.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
Don't feed the bears.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
I understand there's quite the bear situation at this at
this campground right now. Oh, they tell you got to
have all your food locked in your car. I don't
know if it has to be locked, but shut in
your car, or you're gonna have a bear in your tent.
Speaker 9 (17:36):
That what I don't know about that, because then you're
gonna have a bear in your car, which actually happened
to a friend of mine. A bear broke into his
truck and tore up the whole back seat.
Speaker 5 (17:44):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Yeah, did they see it.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
It was on the camera from their cabin.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (17:51):
But the bear just straight opened the door like a
human and went snacks and jumped in.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
Oh wow, God dang it. I don't want to bear
very close to me. Okay, we'll talk more about that later.
I need some advice from you people. Going to talk
to Gary Dietrich about some politics. He's a good dude.
Stay tuned.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Armstrong and Getty old from of The Armstrong and Getty Show.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
Gary Dietrich, CBS News political analyst, Gary.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Welcome to the show.
Speaker 6 (18:21):
Hey Jack, good to be with you. And by the way,
my friend, it's been decades we've known each other, but
I don't think this full secret is slipped out on air.
I am an eagle scout.
Speaker 4 (18:30):
Oh are you cool? That doesn't surprise me. You seem
like the kind of guy that would be an eagle scout.
Speaker 6 (18:35):
Good for you, Well, that's very kind of you. And
I catch every once in a while you mentioned your
son Henry and scouting, and you've been singing the praise
of scouting. Man. My scouting experience was absolutely awesome. I
highly recommend it to everybody. But I'm saying this particularly
this morning, Jack, because I heard in your lead in
segment to this that you're gonna be out in the
wilderness somewhere, and I just wanted to offer if you
(18:56):
have self service and get desperate, hide in the tent,
text Gary and say.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
What do I do?
Speaker 4 (19:00):
Now?
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Okay, I'll keep that in mind. I appreciate it.
Speaker 6 (19:06):
Hey, one thing, though, I won't be available.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
For bear removal. So that's that. So did you ever
meet Charlie Kirk?
Speaker 6 (19:15):
I did not meet Charlie. It's just kind of one
of those things. For some reason, his path and mind
never crossed. But you know, I don't I don't know
exactly what to.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
Say, well, speak to is because I know you know
about this, Speak to his impact with voting for young
people across the country.
Speaker 6 (19:36):
Oh, it's you know, Jack, It's nearly impossible to overstate.
I mean, the reality is this if you look at
all the studies that have been done over the last
decade too, including I'm not going to mention it at
a place that has an institute for Youth et cetera,
involvement that the the involvement of youth, especially their voting rates,
(19:57):
and you know this, Jack, have been on the decline
su substantially and people had thought this was inexorable. I mean,
this is just sort of out, what are we going
to do now? You know, our kids are never going
to be part of democracy. What Charlie Kirk, I won't
say single handedly, but certainly as part of the MAGA movement,
as you know, really turned this around. And so of course,
(20:19):
now if you look at the major demographic groups that
many people attribute to Trump's win and Harris's lost last fall,
one of them was the youth vote, more specifically young males,
which of course is basically the target audience for much
of turning points efforts.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
And do you think without him because he was a
unique character with a hell of a big brain. Do
you think without him they can continue their trajectory?
Speaker 6 (20:45):
Well, that's of course the gigantic question. I mean, whenever
you lose a founder, not just you know, a major spokesperson,
it's tough. I mean it's tough in anything, and business
endeavors anything else, but especially tough in politics because so
much of politics, as you know, Jack, is personality and
(21:05):
capability driven. I mean, just go down list of people
that we know actually change trajectories of politics. Ronald Reagan's
a good example, Barack Obama. You know, even JFK and
those in many people's minds are sort of singular individuals.
They're unique, at least to their generations. So I know,
the turning Point folks are ramping things up. I know
(21:28):
there's already been significant donations to assist in that. I
know there's already been reportedly many many requests for new
Turning Point chapters on college campuses and even high school campuses.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
So we'll see.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
So I'll lay it out this way. So the Wall
Street Journal had an article the other day. One of
their opinion guys thought that Prop fifteen California going down
that's Gavin Newsom's effort to match Texas's redistricting.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
You know, we're gonna fight.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
We're gonna fight their dirty tricks with our dirty tricks
going to redistricting California, and the Wall Street Journal opinion
guy thought that's going to go down and it's gonna doom.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Gaven Newsom, Okay, that's that's one topic.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
The other is I remember asking you about it a
couple of weeks ago, and we were talking about the
polling on how like two thirds of Californians are a
no on it, sixty percent of Democrats were no on it.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Yesterday, Gary, we had.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
Ln Hee Chen on it, and he thinks it's going
to be close because he says, by the time we
get elect to election day, they're going to have successfully
turned it into a are you for Trump or against him?
It'll be a yes or no on Trump as opposed
to a yes or no on a redistricting thing.
Speaker 6 (22:38):
What do you think, Yeah, well, this break goes out
real quick.
Speaker 9 (22:41):
Jack.
Speaker 6 (22:41):
A couple of things. First up, Let's take that last
one that is that line of thought is the messaging
for yes on fifty and Gavin Newsen made that clear
at the very beginning. They now have a running commercials
in California with Senator Elizabeth Warren. In the first ten seconds,
she makes that point very clear. So because of Trump's
(23:03):
standing in California, you know, he didn't carry the state,
and he's underwater polling here, no surprise to people. That's
why that messaging has been front and center for the
Nissian campaign. Countering that people like Arnold Schwarzenegger, who is
the governor when this was put into place, and I
mean our Independent Citizens Commission was put into place, and
he is saying, no, this is an assault on democracy.
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We can't set aside democracy for three election cycles and
then bring it back. And also his other big line
and he spoke on Monday about this, was hey, listen,
if we start acting like Trump, we're going to become Trump.
So let's see who wins the day on that messaging.
But that's kind of the key one thing about that
polling you mentioned, Jack, this is key the numbers. You're
talking about seventy percent of California's support the Independent Citizens Commission,
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including as you well note, a big majority of Democrats.
That's different from this particular ballot. And so we're trying
to get trying to get solid numbers on that. The
initial poll, the internal poll that came out this week,
access or somebody who reported political said, oh, we're ahead
by ten. You know points I never take politically. I
mean internal poll seriously, because when have you ever heard
(24:12):
an internal poll that was bad for their side? Released?
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Right? Right?
Speaker 6 (24:16):
Doesn't happen. But there was a poll that said forty
eight percent of California's currently supported it. But that's not
a great number. When you are working on propositions in
a state the side of California, you always want to
start well above fifty percent, knowing you're likely historically to
get a drop off.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
Then how about the if it goes down, it will
really damage Gavin Newsom nationally.
Speaker 6 (24:38):
Well, there's no question that you know right now, this
is his big claim to political fame. It's what's getting
him all the headlines. You know there will be if it,
If it fails, there will certainly be a spin of well,
we see there were so many MAGA dollars to spend
against it. I mean that whole line of thinking. And
he certainly has time to recover him. We're three and
a half years away from twenty twenty eight Now, realistically,
(24:59):
real realistically, I would say after the midterms you're going
to see and even as early as next year, you're
already seeing a lot of prospective candidates out there. There's
no question that it would damage Gavin's brand, and certainly
you know that affects things like early donors, fundraising, people
jumping on board, staff wise, et cetera.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
Back to the hot topic of the country, political violence.
How do you feel about our trajectory on that. Did
we reach a point where it got everybody's attention where
we think, wow, we've gone too far. We need to
get this under control, or are we going to continue
the tit for tat both sides believing the other side
(25:42):
is worse and you know we're headed the wrong way.
Speaker 6 (25:46):
Yeah, you know me, Jack, I would certainly certainly hope
it's the latter. I mean, it was a sad week
for our nation in the last week. I don't care
what your politics are, what your ideology is. I just
nobody should be killed over their politics. I mean, I
don't know how to say that more unequivocally. And I
think that's the credible voices out there, regardless of where
(26:08):
they're on the political spectrum of the ideological spectrum that
needs to be the unified message now being you know,
looking into the crystal ball. Where is this going? I
don't know. I mean, you know, you also know me check.
I tend to want to be pretty optimistic about things,
not naive, but optimistic. So I would hope there is
a day of reckoning it's coming. Is that the case
(26:29):
is a lot of people that have questions about whether
that's actually where we're headed.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
Yeah, well that whatever the percentage is of people that
are on social media that are the extremes of both parties,
And I don't know if it's three percent or eight
percent or what it is, but it looks like and
sounds like a lot of people. If you spend time
on social media, they sure control a lot of the conversation.
Speaker 6 (26:53):
Yeah, well you are you have hit that dead set.
I mean, and I think this is a challenge. I mean, yeah,
the person whose mouthfis came out of Richard Nixon. You know,
many people have question much about politically, but the silent majority,
that was what he kept talking about. Look at there's
people on both sides of your Nam war, but the
silent majority, you would say, and I do think there
(27:16):
is a resonance in that verbiage in today's political world.
There's a lot of people who never ever, as you know,
go on social media. They don't even have a social
media counts. And yet yet what gets reported is so
many people on social media are saying, well, it's sort
of like you know, the old verbage about talk radio.
(27:38):
Less than one percent of people all the research shows
ever call into a talk radio program. And yet people say, well, listen,
everybody's saying this. Well, no, everybody may not be saying that.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Good point.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
It's exactly the same as talk radio callers back in
the day when that really mattered.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
That's a good point. So it's amazing that I like you.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
You're a good guy, but you're you're an eagle scout,
you went to Harvard in your handsome it's really easy
to not like a person like that.
Speaker 6 (28:04):
Well listen, you know, because you know, I've got plenty
of flocks somewhere, and who knows what they are. I can't.
I know it's not I'll let others decide that. And
you can get flooded with emails. You get flooded with
emails and texts and say I hate Dtrich for these
six reasons and then you can share that with me.
But but I know it can't be Kansas because we
share that deep in our hearts as well. I don't know,
(28:26):
but I'm sure there's all kinds of things.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Let's see.
Speaker 6 (28:29):
I can't say, like George Bussinior, I hate Brocoln because
Buckley's kind of okay, but maybe it's I am a
Disneyland fan. Now that's going to really infuriate halfier audience.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
That's man.
Speaker 6 (28:42):
Okay, No, no, only because my kids and I I
never told you guys this. I never told you guys.
Just you know the old Super Bowl added you know,
win the Super Bowl and they go up there quarterback
and he goes, I'm going to Disneyland, no joke. My
kids and I had this thing were after every election
cycle because they were so onerous, so all consuming. I say,
kids hanging there because after November whatever it was going
(29:02):
to be, we're going to digging that. And we did
that like about every other year when.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
It was do you ride the ride?
Speaker 6 (29:08):
Do I like the rides?
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Do you ride the rides?
Speaker 6 (29:11):
Anything that I ride the rides, but anything that drops
quickly or turns me upside down is absolutely right.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
Here's the main question. This is the deal breaker. Do
you have you ever gone without kids?
Speaker 8 (29:22):
No?
Speaker 4 (29:22):
Okay, there you go. Okay, you're you're in the range
in a rumble. Then that's perfectly good. CBS News political
analyst Gary Dietrich, appreciate your time today.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Okay, buddy, Wow eagle scout and you.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
Went to Harvard and he's got TV handsomeness. Again, it's
easy to not like somebody like that, but I like him.
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The comment I made about mocking him for going to Harvard,
you know, we used to do that back when Harvard
was held a high esteem.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
And the bloom is off.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
The rows of course for Harvard and most of all colleges,
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Speaker 1 (30:49):
Heyety, An air traffic controller hurts scholding a Spirit Airlines
pilot to pay attention. Concerned the passenger plane was on
a possible converging path with Air Force.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
One twenty degrees right.
Speaker 6 (31:03):
Immediately pay attention.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Controllers ordering the Spirit pilots to change course.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
I gotta talk to you plice every time.
Speaker 8 (31:10):
Pay attention.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Get off the iPad.
Speaker 10 (31:12):
Air Force one and the Spirit aircraft were at the
same altitude. The Spirit jet didn't answer four times after
they've been called by air traffic control. So they had
every right to be angry with the Spirit aircraft.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
Pay attention, get off the iPad. Of course it was Spirit.
And of course it was Spirit. Yeah, which the comedians
will jump all over that story. And it was uh
the President wasn't on Air Force one. It had dropped
him off.
Speaker 5 (31:36):
No, I was reading he was on it.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Oh okay.
Speaker 9 (31:39):
I was reading that it was taking uh Trump and
Milania back to dropping him off somewhere.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Oh okay, Okay, I was misinformed or misheard.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
Interesting either way, it'd have been a horrible plane crash.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Get off your iPad. That's a heck of a thing
to say.
Speaker 5 (31:56):
Yeah, I know that, so I know.
Speaker 9 (32:00):
I just flew and I noticed that the pilots had
iPads and they're doing a lot of their navigation stuff
on there.
Speaker 4 (32:05):
Oh, but maybe they did a little out the window.
Here's a plane in front of you.
Speaker 5 (32:09):
Yeah, maybe they did a little app sweat. We're playing wordscapes.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
A couple of things to jam in. We're probably gonna
go fairly deep into the whole. Jimmy Kimmel firing or
indefinite postponement or whatever you want to call it. In
our three maybe with Joe Getty, co host joins us
he's going to call in. Uh, there's a lot to
this story. I'm I'm highly troubled by some of the
(32:37):
things the FCC commissioner said really bothered me. Also hated
Jimmy Kimmel. Also, he had low ratings and the show
was really expensive, and so there's a lot to this.
Donald Trump tweeted or truthed or whatever he did yesterday.
Great news for America. The ratings challenged Jimmy Kimmel's show
(32:58):
is canceled all caps. Congratulations to ABC for finally having
the courage to do what had to be done. Kimmel
has zero talent and worse ratings than even Colbert, if
that's possible. That leaves Jimmy and Seth two total losers
on fake news NBC. Their ratings are also horrible. Do
it NBC President DJT. So there's the President of the
(33:21):
United States encouraging NBC to fire Jimmy Kimmel and Seth
Meyers because they're two total losers.
Speaker 9 (33:28):
So I don't know how legit well this is coming
from Fox News. Dozens of ABC stations to air Charlie
Kirk tribute special during Jimmy Kimmel's time slot.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Wow, that's interesting.
Speaker 5 (33:42):
Yeah, that's at the tip.
Speaker 9 (33:43):
Sinclair Broadcast Group called for Kimmel's said Kimmel's comments were
inappropriate and deeply insensitive and will air.
Speaker 5 (33:48):
Charlie Kirk's tribute.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
Okay, I've been told those are the Sinclair stations that
have their own particular leanings that have ABC stuff on there.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
And I need to read from Mark Halpern's newsletter. It
was really good.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
He is talking about how you had two shows on ABC,
The View and Jimmy Kimmel that were just big giant
middle finger f us for like fifty five percent of
the country. Yeah, and that's a lot for one network day.
Still doesn't it. Still don't want the FCC or the
(34:22):
federal government telling you what you can and can't say.
But in terms of you're running a network in Middle
America with two shows on all day long in a
red part of the country that are that hate your audience,
that's a tough situation to be in. So if it
gets down to even a close call, you're gonna boot him.
But uh, we'll get into that deeper a little bit.
(34:45):
Later one to mention this. Let me find it is
an interesting financial note that I came across. So this
is out today. So consumer spending is doing fairly well.
The Feds dropped the interest rate by a quarter point
yesterday because of the whole jobs situation is not good
(35:10):
and they're trying to heat up the economy. But the
top ten percent of US income earners are currently driving
the economic spending for approximately half of all consumer spending.
That is a record high. You've got the top ten
percent of income earners that are half of consumer spending
(35:32):
that has never been before. So that's households earning two
hundred and fifty thousand dollars or more annually whose spending
has grown significantly while working class households have become more cautious.
This trend, driven by factors like records, stock prices, luxury spending,
means the economy has become unusually reliant on that wealthy
group for growth. So when you hear consumer spending is
(35:54):
doing okay, and that's what drives a lot of the
good news you hear in economics, it's only ten percent
of the country that's doing half the spending, and that
ain't good because a small number of people accounting for
that much. If that ten percent decides, ooh, things are
getting a little dicey. I think maybe I won't fly
here and there and buy this or that. The things
(36:16):
the bottom can drop out pretty fast, that's the problem.
So that's an interesting number. We might have to talk
to some economics expert about that at some point. So
we'll get into what did the FCC commissioner actually say
in the last forty eight hours that I personally find
a little troubling. I know a lot of you on
the text line you're saying it's not the FCC that
had nothing to do with it. Well, I think I
(36:36):
had something to do with it. Part of it though,
is what Kimmel said in the ratings and all that too.
So we'll try to get the whole mixture on for you,
and a bunch of other stuff, Guest, I really like
Jim Tankersley is traveling through Europe and he's going to
talk a little bit about President Trump standing there right
(36:56):
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