September 18, 2025 • 36 mins
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- Jim Tankersley talks to Jack Armstrong!
- Joe Getty checks in with Jack!
- Jeff McCausland talks to Jack Armstrong!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George
Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Armstrong and Jetty and He Armstrong and Eddy.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
That we've solved seven wars. Seven wars. Wars that were unsolvables,
that couldn't be negotiated or done, We've done. The US
has done seven of them. The one that I thought
would be easiest would be because of my relationship with
President Putin. But he's let me down. He's really let
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me down. Who's going to be Russia and Ukraine. But
we'll see how that turns out.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Yeah, what's the next step on that? I'd love to know.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
That's Donald Trump. He is standing right next to Kars Starmer,
the Prime Minister of Greek Britain right now and they're
doing a press conference as Trump is over in England.
And we thought we would talk to Jim tankers Lee
and welcome back to the Armstrong and Getty Show. He
knows a lot about what's going on with European politics.
He's the Berlin bureau chief for the New York Times.
(01:12):
Jim Tankersley, welcome back, are you hey?
Speaker 5 (01:16):
My pleasure to be back. I'm doing great.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Any news out of Great Britainy you think is worth
talking about to start off with.
Speaker 5 (01:23):
I mean, I think what we just heard the President
talking about is what he's been saying for a while.
He really did think that this conflict was going to
be a lot easier to broker a pc ALON. He
keeps expressing varying degrees of annoyance with Vladimir Putin for
not coming to the table and broken deal, but he's
also not you know, we didn't hear him say any
(01:46):
new big things that he's going to do to put
the pressure on. So I think what we're hearing from
from President Trump is what a lot of Europe has
been kind of hearing and a little bit wary about
for weeks and months now, which is kind of just
like status quo. We're just kind of hoping this is
going to get better and we're not sure how it's
going to happen.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Okay, well, that's really interesting. I want to ask you,
this is one of my favorite statements of the last
couple of months. Is that guy from Poland, Tusk, who said,
why do we need why do we the five hundred
million need, the three hundred and forty million of the
United States to protect us against one hundred and sixty million.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
I love that, just.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
As a point of view of why don't we take
care of this ourselves in Europe.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Do many people in Europe agree with his attitude?
Speaker 5 (02:37):
Well, I mean, you know, it's really interesting. I came
to Germany for the Times in January, and in the
time that I've been here, I think we've seen like
a real flood of Europeans toward that test perspective for
lots of reasons, but this real idea like, hey, we
we need to be spending the money here to defend ourselves,
(02:57):
to make ourselves ready, just you know, to help Ukraine,
but to ward off possible attack from Russia. Something you
hear in Germany all the time now. The Germans are
massively increasing their ability, and it's because they are afraid
that they could be next or really they could be
drawn into some sort of Yes, I mean, people don't
believe me sometimes when I tell them this back home,
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but the German German leaders I talk to are constantly
worried that that that Putin would not stop at Ukraine,
that he might go to some place like Lithuania, or
he might go into Poland, as we've seen Russia flying
drones over Poland already, and that you know, Berlin's not
that far away from there, and that they need to
be ready on their own, you know, with or without
help from the Americans, to defend against that sort of
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an attack. And that's that's why they're just going to
spend a lot of money trying to build up their defenses.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
Again, Well, that's really interesting. I mean, on one hand,
I'm glad they're taking it seriously.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
On the other hand, that would.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
Be insane for Putin to take on Germany and NATO
and everything that goes with it.
Speaker 5 (04:01):
It would be I mean, but I think that people
thought it would be a lot of people thought to
be insane for him to go into Ukraine. And so
I think there is really a sea change in how
a lot of European leaders, and by the way, not
all the public is there. There are some you know
East Germans in the Former East for example, who still
(04:23):
would like to re establish much friendlier ties with Russia
and try to avoid war that way. But particularly among
the sort of German leaders I cover, there's just been
this big shift. And I got to say part of
it is because they have been shocked at the idea
that maybe America won't be there. Maybe it's like maybe
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America will not have our back, but we hope they do.
We think they're still our friends. And either way, we
need to do the right thing for ourselves here, which
is to have our own defense capabilities get better.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
Since Trump is in Great Britain about this, I was
listening to a podcast the other day with a writer
from the Telegraph talking about the financial situation that Great
Britain is. They're like, you know, several years further down
the road from us of going in solvent because they
spend more money than they take in and they've made
all kinds of promises. They're not going to be able
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to keep on the current trajectories.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Is it that bad?
Speaker 4 (05:21):
And uh, can we look at our future ahead of
us in Great Britain?
Speaker 2 (05:28):
I mean, I.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
As as you know, I covered you cannot write and
before I came here, So it's I think a lot
about this. This is what economists call fiscal space. How
much money do you have, you know, kind of left
before it gets really hard for you to keep far away?
And and and Great Britain does have a coming fiscal
space problem. France does, I mean a lot of a
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lot of the wealthy world does. I mean America does too,
And we've been there's certainly been a lot of warnings
about it for a long time, but this issuations have
worsened in all of those countries, and so it's going
that's that comes at a time when when all three
of those countries also want to be spending a lot
more on the military, and when nobody frankly, I mean,
(06:14):
maybe I'm wrong about the American debate, but I don't
hear a lot of arguments coming out of Washington that
we we should ramp back this amount of spending, particularly
on on on, you know, butter, so that we can
buy more guns. And that's those are conversations that you know,
most experts, I don't do you think are going to
be suddenly forced across Europe and in America.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
Well, it's a damn interesting time for you to be
in Europe. So you have the military situation, as you
point out, spending more money, worried about actually being attacked.
You got the financial problems, and then the immigration situation
that's just roiling so many countries.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
Well, the immigration situation is fascinating because the I mean,
it's it's it's not a secret, it's it's the statistics.
But the the statistics are that the flow of immigrants
to Western Europe has fallen dramatically in the last year.
And the new governments. There's plenty of new governments that
have cracked down on border control. The Poland and Germany
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both have new enhanced border checks, and they're playing a
lot of credit for restarching those flows. But the polls
don't suggest that voters are giving them a lot of
credit any of it yet, and it might take a
while to sort of show them progress. But it's sort
of this weird thing that people don't realize that that, yeah,
(07:36):
they had an enormous amount of migration over the last
ten years historically for Europe, but also that that flow
of immigrants has gone down.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
Before I let you go, I'm sure there's a German
Germans have good words for things. I'm sure German German
language has a good word for the feeling I've got
right now. Maybe it's just envy that you and your
family are living in German Many for a while while
you do this job. That's got to be freaking cool.
Is as cool as it sounds.
Speaker 5 (08:05):
I mean, if I'm going to make it sound even
cooler by telling you I'm currently on a train from
Berlin down to Munich because they have this annual event
here which which for journalistic purposes I need to go visit,
which is called Octoberfest. And uh and uh so, uh,
(08:26):
you know, every we do, we do a lot of
we do a lot of very uh serious and difficult
reporting as reporters. And if every once in a while
you can go like I'm going to do on on
Saturday and and watch them tap the first keg oh
Wowfest for journalism.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
For journalism. Yes, you're standing up for journalism. That's fantastic.
Good for you, man. Jim tankersly Berlin Bureau cheap for
the New York Times. Thanks for your time today.
Speaker 5 (08:51):
Yeah, thanks for having me. It's always fun.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
He's a really talented guy, so he's obviously earned it.
But man, he moved his whole family there and they've
been living in Germany for a little while.
Speaker 5 (09:00):
While.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
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How much of Jimmy Kimmel getting fired was the FCC
threatening various licenses? How much of it was what Jimmy
Kimmel said, how much of it was his ratings, all
that sort of stuff, among other things. We'll talk to
Joe Getty about coming up. So this is a quote
(10:22):
from the FCC Chairman, Brendan Carr on a different show,
a lesser show. In my opinion, this week, there's actions
we can take on license broadcasters. It's long past the
time that Comcast and Disney say we're not going to
run Kimmel anymore because we're licensed broadcasters. Because we license
broadcasters are running the possibility of fines or license revocation
(10:45):
from the FCC. That sounds like a threat to me
from the SCC. AnyWho, let's welcome to the Armstrong and
Getty Show. Joe Getty, Joe, how are you?
Speaker 2 (10:54):
I'm fine?
Speaker 1 (10:55):
And yeah, that's clearly a threat and it's unacceptable. Well
we don't, Oh do we lose your erect on her?
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Check on?
Speaker 4 (11:04):
You cut out already as a bad start. Okay, try
it again, because I want to hear it.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Am I here?
Speaker 5 (11:08):
Am I there?
Speaker 2 (11:09):
You're here? Are you here?
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Joe eris I was saying, Yeah, it's clearly a threat,
and we don't win by canceling. Uh, the right for
people to be wrong. That's ridiculous. We have better ideas.
We don't need to silence people. Kimmela was silenced because
he's an a hole, and lots of good folks around
the country don't want him on their channel, on their
local TV affiliate.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
Yeah, I think as often as the case, a whole
bunch of things can be happening. At the same time,
his ratings, like Colbert's, were just too low for the
amount of money the show costs. So I'm sure they've
been having conversations for a long time. How long do
we want to keep this around? Then you got one
of the hottest political issues, geez, and maybe in decades
(11:50):
with the assassination of Charlie Kirk. Kimmel says something ridiculous
that a lot of America would say, I don't want
this show on my channel. So there's that, and you
have what the FCC commissioner said, which I don't really
like at all.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Right, Yeah, I'm with a bunch of guys of middle
age and beyond. And so Fox News is on at
high volume, like round the clock when we're not on
the golf course, and so I've seen the Tapa Kimmel
several times, and if he had merely been wrong, that's forgivable.
But as usual with him, he pronounced that the shooter
(12:31):
was a Maga type and the stupid Maga idiots were
trying to pretend otherwise in such a contemptuous and confident way.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Okay, if he said some information.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Is coming in that this guy's actually right winger or
investigating it, all right, you get to be wrong, that's fine.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Yeah, you're cutting out a lot. So unfortunately it's a
little hard to follow you. Shoot, let me reconnect. Assume
you're on the call.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
On the phone. Just call him a phone. The phone
is a I love the phone. I'm a big fan
of the phone.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Can we use the phone? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (13:07):
So, I just I wanted to mention that what the
FCC commissioner said, because a lot of your texting, the
FCC had nothing to do with it. They did not
pressure him. Yes, the FCC did have something to do
with it, and they were pressing him. And I want
to make that point because and I said this earlier.
I apologize if you've heard me say it several times,
but I think this is important for.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Me and my job.
Speaker 6 (13:28):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
I don't want when Gavin Newsom becomes president of the
United States to appoint an FCC commissioner that says talk
radio is out of control, because that's where a lot
of you know, stuff, right wing stuff ends up as
on talk radio. I don't want Gavin Newsom's FCC guy
to crack down on talk radio and claim everything that
we're saying is beyond the pale and put pressure on
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licenses for various radio stations.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
That's my take. Anyway, Joe is back.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Yeah, well that's when I go underground radio. Throw on
the black bandana, the undisclosed locations. I go underground.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
But that's a that's a reasonable concern, isn't it.
Speaker 5 (14:07):
Oh it's one hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Do not grab to the presidency any power you're not
prepared for the next guy to use or the other
side to use.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Come on, gosh, dang it, I mean I saying.
Speaker 5 (14:20):
And again, Kimmel, it's the best thing that.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
I mean again, Kimill was taken off. I was glitching
on and off. I'm not sure if you heard Kimmel
was taken off for pure business reasons that he was
such a jerk about it and so smug in his
ignorance that that the local affiliates around the country said
we don't want this guy on. But that's that's a
completely different issue than the government moving in and saying no,
(14:48):
your your opinions are too objectionable. I hate that idea.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
Yeah, when I used the example when Bill Maher got
taken off politically incorrect after he said the thing about
the hijackers right after nine to eleven, that was in
an FCC thing, that was a during a very sensitive
emotional moment for the country, you crossed a line where
a lot of affiliates thought, we don't want this show
on our air.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Uh, that's what happened with Kimmel.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Right, Grocery stores don't have to stock foods that people
find repugnant, and TV affiliates don't have to run shows
they find repugnant. As easy as that, And and you know,
an even greater point to me is if you want
to discredit Jimmy Kimmel, he is your best ally in
doing that, because he's such a jackass. It's like I'm
(15:37):
always saying about progressive policies. You want him discredited, Let's
put some full Blue City and act them for a
little bit. They'll get good and discredited.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
I don't have any compassion for I mean, we've almost
been run out of our jobs for things we've said before,
and that sucks. It's hard to have for me to
have any compassion for Jimmy Kimmel because he's such an
a hole. I like, I think I could like Stephen
Bear hanging out with him. I know I could not
stand to be around Jimmy Kimmel for five minutes, right,
(16:07):
what annoying dude? God, he is the smuggest of smug
and his contempt for like sixty percent of the country.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
It's just, oh, shut up, dude, go away.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
I know he's in godly wealthy, so it's not like
his you know what is he probably fifty years old.
His life will be fine, He's got gazillions of dollars
to spend, but just go away.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Well in the work from inside Disney is he'll be
back on in a few days.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Oh really, I unheard the whole.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Issue and apology and yeah, that's the Wall Street Journal
this morning.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
So there was another reporting that he was beyond furious,
matter than anybody had ever seen him, and he was
planning to go on the air last night and half apologize,
half claim that it was taken out of context what
he's said because he realized how hot it was. I
don't know how he was going to try to claim
that was taken out of context.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Yeah, well, I'm sure once he cools off and his
righteous indignation, they'll be having strategy meetings. But it's being
at broadcasting. You want to hear something funny. The Wi
fi is little iffy here, and I found a perfect
spot yesterday when I was talking to you. They're literally
running a wood chipper right across the street now, so
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I've had to retreat indoors. I'm sorry if it's imperfect.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
So are you not hungover today?
Speaker 7 (17:25):
No?
Speaker 1 (17:25):
I feel great. We definitely were festive last night, but
I remember to work in some water and pace myself.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
So yesterday a whole bunch of listeners were email and texting.
Wonder what had happened to you, because they said it
sounded like you had a lisp. I didn't pick up
on that, but apparently some people did. Did you develop
a list? Did you get your teeth knocked out? Were
you in a bar fight?
Speaker 1 (17:45):
I am not aware of lisping at all. I wonder
if that was due to the nature of the technology,
but no, I remain listless, and after one day of
the tournament, I am your first round leader.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
Really Yes, wow, congratulations You think you can keep that going?
Speaker 1 (18:01):
No, nobolutely not.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Are you keeping your head down in here? Left arm
Street Are you supposed to do that?
Speaker 4 (18:08):
That's Joe Getty, everybody one half of the Armstrong in
Getty Show. We got a lot more on the way
stay here. Armstrong and Getty.
Speaker 8 (18:17):
Were united in defense and security, yes, absolutely, but we're
also united in the pursuit of peace. We are working
together to end the humanitarian catastrophe in the Middle East,
get the aid in, free the hostages, and ultimately bring
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Israel and the region back towards a comprehensive plan which
can deliver peace and security for Israelis and Palestinians alike.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
Yeah, that's a noble goal. I don't think that's going
to happen real soon. That's a Prime Minister Starmer standing
there next to Trump. Trump is over there in Great
Britain and we'd like to welcome to the show. CBS
News military consultant doctor Jeff mccauslin. Jeff, welcome back to
the Armstrong Engetti Show. What is the task that Israel's
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trying to accomplish right now, and how's it going.
Speaker 9 (19:14):
Well. The cast is described by Prime Minister Netanyaho is
a total destruction of Amas, which many people me included
thinks of somewhat problematical, and at the same time the
freeing of the hostage. We believe there are maybe up
to twenty hostages still living and thirty or more, frankly
corpses that are still in the possession of Kamas. As consequence,
Israeli is now are beginning to run a massive three
(19:37):
division operation against Gaza City, which still contains somewhere between
six and seven hundred thousand civilians, and they're preparing for
that particular offensive over the last few days with one
hundred and fifty airstrikes in one evening and now the
movement of forces. So we'll see how this goes. The
Israeli Defense Minister described this as Gaza is now burning,
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and many Israeli officials have said this may take several
months to accomplish those picker.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Tests several months, so you used a military term. We
don't all know.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
So however, many divisions, how how many people is that?
How many Israeli soldiers are going into that town.
Speaker 9 (20:18):
Yeah, we're talking fifteen to twenty thousand. But the other
thing you got to understand is, of course it's urban warfare,
which makes it a very slow effort. As a consequence,
many of the advantages you accru from having tanks or
personnel cares alike are somewhat less useful when you're going
down narrow streets and alleys like you are in a
place like Gaza. I was in Fallujah in Iraq, where
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we went in a city smaller than Gaza. It took
us about six weeks. I remember distinctly going in there
with the Marines. And each building, small, large, didn't matter,
had to have two enormous exits on it before they
moved on. Would those two exit me That entire building, closet, basement,
everything you can think of had to be searched at
least twice. Make sure that your opponent had not stored weapons,
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people or whatever who'd be in behind you as you
progressed through the streets. So this is going to be
a very deliberate operation. And then after that you've got
to occupy it and control it. We're probably talking an
equal number of troops and may be forced to do
nothing but just occupy the city and control whatever population
is left in the afternoon.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
So that going building the building that you're doing in Fallujah,
that's got to be a pretty stressful thing to do.
Every door you open, every you know, starewell you go
up exactly.
Speaker 9 (21:34):
No, No, it's very very deliberate. And the Israeli I'm
not being critical, it's just the way they have operated
for years, and I've monitored the Israelis through several wars,
are somewhat risk averse and try to avoid their own castles.
They've only had around a thousand or more military cast
leads in the conflict that's going on for about two years.
So the consequence, what are they going to do. They're
gonna use awful lot of artillery airstrikes in advance and
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basically drop these buildings to rubble before they move the
infantry in and lose those advantages that their advanced weaponry includes.
This will be doing things and are already doing that,
taking down many of the multi story buildings in Goshen.
There are a number. Why would you do that? What
would they We found out in combat in Fallujah, and
we found out in Grosny when the Russians made a
Grosny many years ago. Those type of tall buildings are
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platforms for your opponent, the defender, to get up into
and then fire ni tank rockets and whatever straight down
against armored vehicles because the Finnis armor on a tank
or on armored personnel carriers in the roofs. So they're
taking all those buildings down advance as they move very slowly,
and in part that's to avoid Tasma.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
Why did you say you're not optimistic about the mission
of wiping out Hamas.
Speaker 9 (22:45):
Well, I've never been frank optimistic about them destroying Hamas
in the fullest sense, because Amas is an ideology, and
it's interesting to me that we now buy most acknowledgements.
Have seen over sixty thousand Palestinians killed in the guy
on the trip at the onset of this war in
October several years ago, he asked me by the Israelis.
Another was Hamas's total force was twenty five to thirty
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thousand total fighters. So we've either killed you know, every
mass fighter twice, or we've also they've suffered a norms
amount of civilian casualis or recruited more cashalies. As time
has gone on. That's why it's tough to defeat a
group like this.
Speaker 5 (23:25):
Number one.
Speaker 9 (23:26):
Number two is an ideology. You might not see a
group called Hamas spring up in the aftermath, but you'll
have Hamas two point oh or Islamic Jihad two point
oh or some of the group that'll rise up in
the afternoon.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
Well, we'll be keeping our eye on this one over
the next weeks or months, if it takes that long
as you predicted. I wanted to bring up Ukraine and Russia.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
We just had on.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
A guy named Jim Tankersley who's a writer for the
New York Times and he actually is the Berlin bureau chief.
He lives in Germany, and he said, you'd be surprised
how many German people are concerned about Russia invading Germany. Like,
you know, the Ukraine's not the end of it. That
Germany could be on the list too, and that's one
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of the reasons there's political support for increasing their military
spending and all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
That was surprising to me.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
Does anybody think Putin would would do that sort of thing?
Speaker 9 (24:19):
Well, you know, Lennon once said, if you are attacking somebody,
you ran in your Banett and if you hit something soft,
you keep pushing, and you keep pushing until you reach
something that is hard. And that is the school of
the logic that mister Putin went to as a young man,
so I think he subscribes to that you continue to
push until you have force coming in the opposite direction.
(24:40):
But the Germans, of course have history of all this,
dealing with the Russians in the past, and decisive battles
in World War One and World War Two. But they're
also I think, have to concern as are the polls
or the balls, etc. Who have real concerns about the Russians.
They're also our allies of the Germans.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
That was surprising to me that that's an actual concern
of the German population. I'm happy that they're spending more
money on their military and all of Europe needs to
do that. How is that war going? If you can
give us a brief overview, Well, again, it's.
Speaker 5 (25:17):
Not going well.
Speaker 9 (25:17):
I mean, mister Trump hosted Vadimir Putin in Alaska and
said that we would have bilateral negotiations soon between Zelinski
and Putin, and we'd have trilater in discussions involving him
as well. None of that has come to pass. Mister
Trump's threatened severe sanctions on mister Putin going into those
meetings in Alaska. If there was not a seafire in
(25:38):
the aftermath, You've got a seafire. And those threats of
severe sanctions against Russia now disappeared. Mister Trump has now said, well,
the United States will increase sanctions of the Russians when
all European countries stopped importing any oil and natural gas
from the Russian Federation, and the European Union puts fifty
to one hundred percent tariffs on the Chinese, which is
(26:00):
going to happen. So the concern right now is is
mister Trump has just finished up in the last few
moments actually a press conference with the Prime Minister of
Great Britain, and he is in England for a state visit.
Europeans being concerned and tankers. That I think is underscores
that about can they still depend on the United States?
Will the United States still be there for them? That
(26:20):
Trump administration has already said, We're not going to provide
any more military aid the Ukraine now. Any military assistance
to Ukraine now has to be purchased by Ukraine from US.
Or purchased from by the Europeans in behalf of Ukraine.
And then, of course last week we had the incursion
over Polish territory of somewhere between fifteen and twenty Russian drones.
(26:44):
Mister Trump kind of dismissed that as well, that was
probably an accident. I'm sorry, you don't sam fifteen or
twenty drones accidentally across the international border, and ten about
half of them in the direction of by NATO airbase.
That's one heck of a coincidence, and that certainly has
a concern under the Europeans, they've now created a new
program for a new operation called European Sentry and moving
(27:07):
digtional forces into the eastern part of the alliance as
tensions continue to mount on the other side of the
Russians have shown i'll suggested no desire to negotiate this
at all, and in fact, for Minister Labrav kind of
waved all that off the last few days, saying that
will negotiate basically when the root causes the war have addressed,
and for the Russians that basically is a Ukrainian surmander.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
The reporting I read is there's quite a debate going
on in the White House, and there are two factions.
There's one that really wants to hit Russia hard with
the sanctions and really arm Ukraine and tell them, you know,
use these weapons to fire into Russia however you need to.
Then there's the other faction that says, it's not our circus,
not our monkeys, not our war.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Let's you know, let's get out of this. Let your
appanel it.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
If we's if it's the first path, if we decide
to hit with the sanctions and arm Ukraine, do you
think there's any winning the war?
Speaker 2 (28:02):
And I'm not even sure what winning would mean.
Speaker 9 (28:05):
I think it's the distinct possibility. You're right again, Jack,
You got to define what is winning and winning it
would be to me an end of the conflict. Might
Russia again recognition of some territory, Yes, for example, Crimea
would probably remain in Russian hands. Yes, number one. Number two,
Ukraine would have to have some assurances this is not
going to happen. Then again, either through a security force
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on the ground that would deter the Russians in future,
and in Ukraine would be able to retain its sovereignty
and tick, you're joining other international institutions like the European
Union might maybe not NATO at anytime soon, but at
least the European Union, that would be a win. And
you know, at the same time, I think you've defined
the faction absolutely correctly. But it's interesting. In the United
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States Senate, there is a bill right now could increased
sanctions as well, not only military but more economic pressure
on the Russians, and has got somewhere like eighty five
senators who have endorsed it. My goodness, we couldn't get
any five senators on both sides of the issle agree
on what time of day it is right, but they
agreed to that one. And so that too is another
card that mister Trump could play. But so far, at
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least he seems to be moving I fear more in
the direction of trying to figure out a graceful way
to exit this in the near future.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
Well, time will tell, and when we get a direction,
we'll probably talk to you again. That is, doctor Jeff
mccosm CBS News Military consultant, Thanks for your time today.
Speaker 9 (29:28):
Thanks check.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
Yeah, I wonder when that decision is finally going to
be made, I guarantee you. So there is a one
on one talk today between Trump and Starmer, and I
don't know if there's any reporting out of what they
talked about, or if we'll even hear what they talked about,
but I guarantee you that was probably the number one
topic is how much support the United States is going
(29:51):
to give to Ukraine, If any any whope took care
of that. Some Kimmel stuff coming up, Yeah, Joe was right.
The Wall Street Journal does have I have one person
say sources with Disney say they're looking at possibly trying
to figure out how to get Jimmy Kimmel back on
the air. I don't know if I believe that's going
to happen. I don't know. All the reporting makes it
(30:12):
sound like he's done, but maybe they're wrong. More on
that and other stuff on the way stay here.
Speaker 10 (30:19):
According to new research, in the wild, chimpanzees likely ingest
the equivalent of several alcoholic drinks every day. The chimpsy
vibe alcohol by guzzling ripe fruit, which puts their ethanol
intake at about fourteen grams per day. You're telling me
that animals that fling their poop and masturbate in public
(30:41):
might be drunk.
Speaker 4 (30:47):
If monkeys get drunk on purpose because they like the
feeling of being drunk.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
That's pretty interesting.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
And uh, what's the what's what are they trying to
escape from the pressures of all day long swinging through
the jungle trying to find a right banana gets old,
you know at the end of the day, and they
take the edge off. I mean, what are their pressures?
Speaker 2 (31:15):
I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
Uh want to get this on. This is some sort
of tip for is In and Out still only a
California restaurant? No, they've spread, They have spread. Okay, I
don't know how many of all all y'all have an
in and Out near you. My son loves in and
Out so much he'd eat in and Out every.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Day if I let him. I like it, okay, Oh,
I love it. You love the inn.
Speaker 7 (31:40):
I'm probably well because today is National Cheeseburger Day, and
I love in and Out so much.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
I'm definitely going. I'd forgotten that today was National cheese
Burger Day. What do you get when you go? Do
you do that? Are you a secret menu person? Or
you just go with the regular?
Speaker 7 (31:52):
I go with the regular protein style and the fries
extra well done.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
Aren't you healthy and my son does the jungle fries
the off menu. Secret thing that's all right? Is that
what they call him animal animal style jungle. What's jungle style.
I've never heard of jungle style. That might be a
sexual position.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
You're a drunk monkey. Yeah. Anyway, there's something about In
and Out. Everybody's waiting in line on this side street.
Speaker 6 (32:19):
There's so many cars in line. This silver Toyota cuts
everybody right at the corner of the side street in
the driveway, and I see it all happen. The staff
still takes their order and everything.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
That guy just cut everybody. There's no way.
Speaker 6 (32:32):
So when it was my attorney to order, I placed
my order and then I was like, by the way,
like that silver Toyota cut everybody in line.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
He's like, oh yeah, I saw them do that.
Speaker 6 (32:40):
They put like a home run note is what he
called it, which basically means that they're going to take
his order, but they'll tell him to pull out, put
his blinkers on in the front, and then they're just
going to take way longer to make his order as
if he were to wait in line.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Anyways, I love In and Out so much.
Speaker 7 (32:58):
I loved I love the content of that clip, but
the vocal fry and up speak almost knocked me out
of my chair, Like cut everybody in line.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Yeah, look good for you in and out.
Speaker 5 (33:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
I like that a lot because you know, you see
and I don't know.
Speaker 7 (33:19):
I go down these weird rabbit holes of fights on YouTube,
but the oh yeah, drive through fights are awesome.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
We Oh gosh. You get two people that.
Speaker 7 (33:28):
Pulled in from two different directions in the parking lot
to the same lane at the same time, and both
of them are not going to move, so they're both
out of their cars cussing each other out.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
It's like, dude, this is a Wendy's.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
Is it usually like dark as in the bars have
closed and maybe alcohol's involved.
Speaker 7 (33:42):
No, it's ranging from you're in line for breakfast on
your way to work to after the bars have closed.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
It happened.
Speaker 7 (33:49):
It's it's a non discriminatory time frame.
Speaker 4 (33:52):
I hope it doesn't make me a beta male, but like,
if you pull in you really want to go go ahead,
It'll take me two extra minutes to get my food.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
Yeah, that makes you smart jack, not a beta.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
It seems like a lot of hassle for anywhoya, what
do you go, what do I search on on YouTube
if I want to spend my afternoon doing this?
Speaker 7 (34:10):
Well, so I am subscribed to a channel called public Freakouts, okay,
and then YouTube just provides me with this beautiful algorithm
of all these people just losing their s in public,
and it drove me towards this, this drive through drama page.
Speaker 4 (34:28):
That's funny that there are things because like I have
a friend who likes to watch boat docking mishaps. Yeah,
people people who can't can't dock their big fancy boat
and crash it into stuff and like poke holes.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
I love those two. I love them too. Hell hell
kind of way is it to spend your day?
Speaker 7 (34:48):
I don't know, but I am ashamed, somewhat ashamed, but
I'll admit it. I spent about an hour and a
half watching public freakouts the other day. One because they're hilarious,
and two it's a great reminder to not do that.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
It's a camera everywhere.
Speaker 4 (35:02):
Yeah, so that one. That one, I think you get
to feel superior to people. Look at these numbnuts fighting
the boat crashing ones. Probably got a little bit of envy.
It's like, you got this fancy boat and look at you,
you idiot, You just yeah, that's probably what that one is.
Speaker 7 (35:19):
I twinge at those two because I'm like, I know
how much that's gonna cost.
Speaker 4 (35:22):
Oh yeah, yeah, that's pretty funny.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
The way people can spend their time.
Speaker 7 (35:30):
I'll send you the lake to my public freakouts page
because it's pretty it's pretty great good.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
It's a good way to waste some time if you
need to awesome.
Speaker 4 (35:37):
You know what people are not spending their time doing
watching late night television. I was just looking at the
ratings that they put out, obviously attached to the whole
Jimmy Kimmel getting fired or temporary delayed or whatever ends
up being. All the ratings are down for all the
shows Kimmel, CBS before they got rid of Colbert in
the Tonight Show. They're all shadows of what they used
(35:58):
to be fifteen years ago and certainly twenty five years ago.
They get way more attention and emphasis put on what
they say and whether they exist than they deserve for
the size of the show. I mean, if it was
just a sitcom on in the middle of the day
with that audience, you would have never heard of it
and nobody would say a word about it. Because they're
not impactful enough. If you missed a segment in an hour,
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That we've solved seven wars. Seven wars. Wars that were unsolvables,
that couldn't be negotiated or done, We've done. The US
has done seven of them. The one that I thought
would be easiest would be because of my relationship with
President Putin. But he's let me down. He's really let
(00:44):
me down. Who's going to be Russia and Ukraine. But
we'll see how that turns out.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Yeah, what's the next step on that? I'd love to know.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
That's Donald Trump. He is standing right next to Kars Starmer,
the Prime Minister of Greek Britain right now and they're
doing a press conference as Trump is over in England.
And we thought we would talk to Jim tankers Lee
and welcome back to the Armstrong and Getty Show. He
knows a lot about what's going on with European politics.
He's the Berlin bureau chief for the New York Times.
(01:12):
Jim Tankersley, welcome back, are you hey?
Speaker 5 (01:16):
My pleasure to be back. I'm doing great.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Any news out of Great Britainy you think is worth
talking about to start off with.
Speaker 5 (01:23):
I mean, I think what we just heard the President
talking about is what he's been saying for a while.
He really did think that this conflict was going to
be a lot easier to broker a pc ALON. He
keeps expressing varying degrees of annoyance with Vladimir Putin for
not coming to the table and broken deal, but he's
also not you know, we didn't hear him say any
(01:46):
new big things that he's going to do to put
the pressure on. So I think what we're hearing from
from President Trump is what a lot of Europe has
been kind of hearing and a little bit wary about
for weeks and months now, which is kind of just
like status quo. We're just kind of hoping this is
going to get better and we're not sure how it's
going to happen.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Okay, well, that's really interesting. I want to ask you,
this is one of my favorite statements of the last
couple of months. Is that guy from Poland, Tusk, who said,
why do we need why do we the five hundred
million need, the three hundred and forty million of the
United States to protect us against one hundred and sixty million.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
I love that, just.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
As a point of view of why don't we take
care of this ourselves in Europe.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Do many people in Europe agree with his attitude?
Speaker 5 (02:37):
Well, I mean, you know, it's really interesting. I came
to Germany for the Times in January, and in the
time that I've been here, I think we've seen like
a real flood of Europeans toward that test perspective for
lots of reasons, but this real idea like, hey, we
we need to be spending the money here to defend ourselves,
(02:57):
to make ourselves ready, just you know, to help Ukraine,
but to ward off possible attack from Russia. Something you
hear in Germany all the time now. The Germans are
massively increasing their ability, and it's because they are afraid
that they could be next or really they could be
drawn into some sort of Yes, I mean, people don't
believe me sometimes when I tell them this back home,
(03:20):
but the German German leaders I talk to are constantly
worried that that that Putin would not stop at Ukraine,
that he might go to some place like Lithuania, or
he might go into Poland, as we've seen Russia flying
drones over Poland already, and that you know, Berlin's not
that far away from there, and that they need to
be ready on their own, you know, with or without
help from the Americans, to defend against that sort of
(03:42):
an attack. And that's that's why they're just going to
spend a lot of money trying to build up their defenses.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
Again, Well, that's really interesting. I mean, on one hand,
I'm glad they're taking it seriously.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
On the other hand, that would.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
Be insane for Putin to take on Germany and NATO
and everything that goes with it.
Speaker 5 (04:01):
It would be I mean, but I think that people
thought it would be a lot of people thought to
be insane for him to go into Ukraine. And so
I think there is really a sea change in how
a lot of European leaders, and by the way, not
all the public is there. There are some you know
East Germans in the Former East for example, who still
(04:23):
would like to re establish much friendlier ties with Russia
and try to avoid war that way. But particularly among
the sort of German leaders I cover, there's just been
this big shift. And I got to say part of
it is because they have been shocked at the idea
that maybe America won't be there. Maybe it's like maybe
(04:44):
America will not have our back, but we hope they do.
We think they're still our friends. And either way, we
need to do the right thing for ourselves here, which
is to have our own defense capabilities get better.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
Since Trump is in Great Britain about this, I was
listening to a podcast the other day with a writer
from the Telegraph talking about the financial situation that Great
Britain is. They're like, you know, several years further down
the road from us of going in solvent because they
spend more money than they take in and they've made
all kinds of promises. They're not going to be able
(05:18):
to keep on the current trajectories.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Is it that bad?
Speaker 4 (05:21):
And uh, can we look at our future ahead of
us in Great Britain?
Speaker 2 (05:28):
I mean, I.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
As as you know, I covered you cannot write and
before I came here, So it's I think a lot
about this. This is what economists call fiscal space. How
much money do you have, you know, kind of left
before it gets really hard for you to keep far away?
And and and Great Britain does have a coming fiscal
space problem. France does, I mean a lot of a
(05:52):
lot of the wealthy world does. I mean America does too,
And we've been there's certainly been a lot of warnings
about it for a long time, but this issuations have
worsened in all of those countries, and so it's going
that's that comes at a time when when all three
of those countries also want to be spending a lot
more on the military, and when nobody frankly, I mean,
(06:14):
maybe I'm wrong about the American debate, but I don't
hear a lot of arguments coming out of Washington that
we we should ramp back this amount of spending, particularly
on on on, you know, butter, so that we can
buy more guns. And that's those are conversations that you know,
most experts, I don't do you think are going to
be suddenly forced across Europe and in America.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
Well, it's a damn interesting time for you to be
in Europe. So you have the military situation, as you
point out, spending more money, worried about actually being attacked.
You got the financial problems, and then the immigration situation
that's just roiling so many countries.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
Well, the immigration situation is fascinating because the I mean,
it's it's it's not a secret, it's it's the statistics.
But the the statistics are that the flow of immigrants
to Western Europe has fallen dramatically in the last year.
And the new governments. There's plenty of new governments that
have cracked down on border control. The Poland and Germany
(07:14):
both have new enhanced border checks, and they're playing a
lot of credit for restarching those flows. But the polls
don't suggest that voters are giving them a lot of
credit any of it yet, and it might take a
while to sort of show them progress. But it's sort
of this weird thing that people don't realize that that, yeah,
(07:36):
they had an enormous amount of migration over the last
ten years historically for Europe, but also that that flow
of immigrants has gone down.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
Before I let you go, I'm sure there's a German
Germans have good words for things. I'm sure German German
language has a good word for the feeling I've got
right now. Maybe it's just envy that you and your
family are living in German Many for a while while
you do this job. That's got to be freaking cool.
Is as cool as it sounds.
Speaker 5 (08:05):
I mean, if I'm going to make it sound even
cooler by telling you I'm currently on a train from
Berlin down to Munich because they have this annual event
here which which for journalistic purposes I need to go visit,
which is called Octoberfest. And uh and uh so, uh,
(08:26):
you know, every we do, we do a lot of
we do a lot of very uh serious and difficult
reporting as reporters. And if every once in a while
you can go like I'm going to do on on
Saturday and and watch them tap the first keg oh
Wowfest for journalism.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
For journalism. Yes, you're standing up for journalism. That's fantastic.
Good for you, man. Jim tankersly Berlin Bureau cheap for
the New York Times. Thanks for your time today.
Speaker 5 (08:51):
Yeah, thanks for having me. It's always fun.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
He's a really talented guy, so he's obviously earned it.
But man, he moved his whole family there and they've
been living in Germany for a little while.
Speaker 5 (09:00):
While.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
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How much of Jimmy Kimmel getting fired was the FCC
threatening various licenses? How much of it was what Jimmy
Kimmel said, how much of it was his ratings, all
that sort of stuff, among other things. We'll talk to
Joe Getty about coming up. So this is a quote
(10:22):
from the FCC Chairman, Brendan Carr on a different show,
a lesser show. In my opinion, this week, there's actions
we can take on license broadcasters. It's long past the
time that Comcast and Disney say we're not going to
run Kimmel anymore because we're licensed broadcasters. Because we license
broadcasters are running the possibility of fines or license revocation
(10:45):
from the FCC. That sounds like a threat to me
from the SCC. AnyWho, let's welcome to the Armstrong and
Getty Show. Joe Getty, Joe, how are you?
Speaker 2 (10:54):
I'm fine?
Speaker 1 (10:55):
And yeah, that's clearly a threat and it's unacceptable. Well
we don't, Oh do we lose your erect on her?
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Check on?
Speaker 4 (11:04):
You cut out already as a bad start. Okay, try
it again, because I want to hear it.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Am I here?
Speaker 5 (11:08):
Am I there?
Speaker 2 (11:09):
You're here? Are you here?
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Joe eris I was saying, Yeah, it's clearly a threat,
and we don't win by canceling. Uh, the right for
people to be wrong. That's ridiculous. We have better ideas.
We don't need to silence people. Kimmela was silenced because
he's an a hole, and lots of good folks around
the country don't want him on their channel, on their
local TV affiliate.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
Yeah, I think as often as the case, a whole
bunch of things can be happening. At the same time,
his ratings, like Colbert's, were just too low for the
amount of money the show costs. So I'm sure they've
been having conversations for a long time. How long do
we want to keep this around? Then you got one
of the hottest political issues, geez, and maybe in decades
(11:50):
with the assassination of Charlie Kirk. Kimmel says something ridiculous
that a lot of America would say, I don't want
this show on my channel. So there's that, and you
have what the FCC commissioner said, which I don't really
like at all.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Right, Yeah, I'm with a bunch of guys of middle
age and beyond. And so Fox News is on at
high volume, like round the clock when we're not on
the golf course, and so I've seen the Tapa Kimmel
several times, and if he had merely been wrong, that's forgivable.
But as usual with him, he pronounced that the shooter
(12:31):
was a Maga type and the stupid Maga idiots were
trying to pretend otherwise in such a contemptuous and confident way.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Okay, if he said some information.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Is coming in that this guy's actually right winger or
investigating it, all right, you get to be wrong, that's fine.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Yeah, you're cutting out a lot. So unfortunately it's a
little hard to follow you. Shoot, let me reconnect. Assume
you're on the call.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
On the phone. Just call him a phone. The phone
is a I love the phone. I'm a big fan
of the phone.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Can we use the phone? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (13:07):
So, I just I wanted to mention that what the
FCC commissioner said, because a lot of your texting, the
FCC had nothing to do with it. They did not
pressure him. Yes, the FCC did have something to do
with it, and they were pressing him. And I want
to make that point because and I said this earlier.
I apologize if you've heard me say it several times,
but I think this is important for.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Me and my job.
Speaker 6 (13:28):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
I don't want when Gavin Newsom becomes president of the
United States to appoint an FCC commissioner that says talk
radio is out of control, because that's where a lot
of you know, stuff, right wing stuff ends up as
on talk radio. I don't want Gavin Newsom's FCC guy
to crack down on talk radio and claim everything that
we're saying is beyond the pale and put pressure on
(13:49):
licenses for various radio stations.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
That's my take. Anyway, Joe is back.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Yeah, well that's when I go underground radio. Throw on
the black bandana, the undisclosed locations. I go underground.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
But that's a that's a reasonable concern, isn't it.
Speaker 5 (14:07):
Oh it's one hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Do not grab to the presidency any power you're not
prepared for the next guy to use or the other
side to use.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Come on, gosh, dang it, I mean I saying.
Speaker 5 (14:20):
And again, Kimmel, it's the best thing that.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
I mean again, Kimill was taken off. I was glitching
on and off. I'm not sure if you heard Kimmel
was taken off for pure business reasons that he was
such a jerk about it and so smug in his
ignorance that that the local affiliates around the country said
we don't want this guy on. But that's that's a
completely different issue than the government moving in and saying no,
(14:48):
your your opinions are too objectionable. I hate that idea.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
Yeah, when I used the example when Bill Maher got
taken off politically incorrect after he said the thing about
the hijackers right after nine to eleven, that was in
an FCC thing, that was a during a very sensitive
emotional moment for the country, you crossed a line where
a lot of affiliates thought, we don't want this show
on our air.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Uh, that's what happened with Kimmel.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Right, Grocery stores don't have to stock foods that people
find repugnant, and TV affiliates don't have to run shows
they find repugnant. As easy as that, And and you know,
an even greater point to me is if you want
to discredit Jimmy Kimmel, he is your best ally in
doing that, because he's such a jackass. It's like I'm
(15:37):
always saying about progressive policies. You want him discredited, Let's
put some full Blue City and act them for a
little bit. They'll get good and discredited.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
I don't have any compassion for I mean, we've almost
been run out of our jobs for things we've said before,
and that sucks. It's hard to have for me to
have any compassion for Jimmy Kimmel because he's such an
a hole. I like, I think I could like Stephen
Bear hanging out with him. I know I could not
stand to be around Jimmy Kimmel for five minutes, right,
(16:07):
what annoying dude? God, he is the smuggest of smug
and his contempt for like sixty percent of the country.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
It's just, oh, shut up, dude, go away.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
I know he's in godly wealthy, so it's not like
his you know what is he probably fifty years old.
His life will be fine, He's got gazillions of dollars
to spend, but just go away.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Well in the work from inside Disney is he'll be
back on in a few days.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Oh really, I unheard the whole.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Issue and apology and yeah, that's the Wall Street Journal
this morning.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
So there was another reporting that he was beyond furious,
matter than anybody had ever seen him, and he was
planning to go on the air last night and half apologize,
half claim that it was taken out of context what
he's said because he realized how hot it was. I
don't know how he was going to try to claim
that was taken out of context.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Yeah, well, I'm sure once he cools off and his
righteous indignation, they'll be having strategy meetings. But it's being
at broadcasting. You want to hear something funny. The Wi
fi is little iffy here, and I found a perfect
spot yesterday when I was talking to you. They're literally
running a wood chipper right across the street now, so
(17:18):
I've had to retreat indoors. I'm sorry if it's imperfect.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
So are you not hungover today?
Speaker 7 (17:25):
No?
Speaker 1 (17:25):
I feel great. We definitely were festive last night, but
I remember to work in some water and pace myself.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
So yesterday a whole bunch of listeners were email and texting.
Wonder what had happened to you, because they said it
sounded like you had a lisp. I didn't pick up
on that, but apparently some people did. Did you develop
a list? Did you get your teeth knocked out? Were
you in a bar fight?
Speaker 1 (17:45):
I am not aware of lisping at all. I wonder
if that was due to the nature of the technology,
but no, I remain listless, and after one day of
the tournament, I am your first round leader.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
Really Yes, wow, congratulations You think you can keep that going?
Speaker 1 (18:01):
No, nobolutely not.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Are you keeping your head down in here? Left arm
Street Are you supposed to do that?
Speaker 4 (18:08):
That's Joe Getty, everybody one half of the Armstrong in
Getty Show. We got a lot more on the way
stay here. Armstrong and Getty.
Speaker 8 (18:17):
Were united in defense and security, yes, absolutely, but we're
also united in the pursuit of peace. We are working
together to end the humanitarian catastrophe in the Middle East,
get the aid in, free the hostages, and ultimately bring
(18:40):
Israel and the region back towards a comprehensive plan which
can deliver peace and security for Israelis and Palestinians alike.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
Yeah, that's a noble goal. I don't think that's going
to happen real soon. That's a Prime Minister Starmer standing
there next to Trump. Trump is over there in Great
Britain and we'd like to welcome to the show. CBS
News military consultant doctor Jeff mccauslin. Jeff, welcome back to
the Armstrong Engetti Show. What is the task that Israel's
(19:11):
trying to accomplish right now, and how's it going.
Speaker 9 (19:14):
Well. The cast is described by Prime Minister Netanyaho is
a total destruction of Amas, which many people me included
thinks of somewhat problematical, and at the same time the
freeing of the hostage. We believe there are maybe up
to twenty hostages still living and thirty or more, frankly
corpses that are still in the possession of Kamas. As consequence,
Israeli is now are beginning to run a massive three
(19:37):
division operation against Gaza City, which still contains somewhere between
six and seven hundred thousand civilians, and they're preparing for
that particular offensive over the last few days with one
hundred and fifty airstrikes in one evening and now the
movement of forces. So we'll see how this goes. The
Israeli Defense Minister described this as Gaza is now burning,
(20:01):
and many Israeli officials have said this may take several
months to accomplish those picker.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Tests several months, so you used a military term. We
don't all know.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
So however, many divisions, how how many people is that?
How many Israeli soldiers are going into that town.
Speaker 9 (20:18):
Yeah, we're talking fifteen to twenty thousand. But the other
thing you got to understand is, of course it's urban warfare,
which makes it a very slow effort. As a consequence,
many of the advantages you accru from having tanks or
personnel cares alike are somewhat less useful when you're going
down narrow streets and alleys like you are in a
place like Gaza. I was in Fallujah in Iraq, where
(20:39):
we went in a city smaller than Gaza. It took
us about six weeks. I remember distinctly going in there
with the Marines. And each building, small, large, didn't matter,
had to have two enormous exits on it before they
moved on. Would those two exit me That entire building, closet, basement,
everything you can think of had to be searched at
least twice. Make sure that your opponent had not stored weapons,
(21:02):
people or whatever who'd be in behind you as you
progressed through the streets. So this is going to be
a very deliberate operation. And then after that you've got
to occupy it and control it. We're probably talking an
equal number of troops and may be forced to do
nothing but just occupy the city and control whatever population
is left in the afternoon.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
So that going building the building that you're doing in Fallujah,
that's got to be a pretty stressful thing to do.
Every door you open, every you know, starewell you go
up exactly.
Speaker 9 (21:34):
No, No, it's very very deliberate. And the Israeli I'm
not being critical, it's just the way they have operated
for years, and I've monitored the Israelis through several wars,
are somewhat risk averse and try to avoid their own castles.
They've only had around a thousand or more military cast
leads in the conflict that's going on for about two years.
So the consequence, what are they going to do. They're
gonna use awful lot of artillery airstrikes in advance and
(21:56):
basically drop these buildings to rubble before they move the
infantry in and lose those advantages that their advanced weaponry includes.
This will be doing things and are already doing that,
taking down many of the multi story buildings in Goshen.
There are a number. Why would you do that? What
would they We found out in combat in Fallujah, and
we found out in Grosny when the Russians made a
Grosny many years ago. Those type of tall buildings are
(22:20):
platforms for your opponent, the defender, to get up into
and then fire ni tank rockets and whatever straight down
against armored vehicles because the Finnis armor on a tank
or on armored personnel carriers in the roofs. So they're
taking all those buildings down advance as they move very slowly,
and in part that's to avoid Tasma.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
Why did you say you're not optimistic about the mission
of wiping out Hamas.
Speaker 9 (22:45):
Well, I've never been frank optimistic about them destroying Hamas
in the fullest sense, because Amas is an ideology, and
it's interesting to me that we now buy most acknowledgements.
Have seen over sixty thousand Palestinians killed in the guy
on the trip at the onset of this war in
October several years ago, he asked me by the Israelis.
Another was Hamas's total force was twenty five to thirty
(23:09):
thousand total fighters. So we've either killed you know, every
mass fighter twice, or we've also they've suffered a norms
amount of civilian casualis or recruited more cashalies. As time
has gone on. That's why it's tough to defeat a
group like this.
Speaker 5 (23:25):
Number one.
Speaker 9 (23:26):
Number two is an ideology. You might not see a
group called Hamas spring up in the aftermath, but you'll
have Hamas two point oh or Islamic Jihad two point
oh or some of the group that'll rise up in
the afternoon.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
Well, we'll be keeping our eye on this one over
the next weeks or months, if it takes that long
as you predicted. I wanted to bring up Ukraine and Russia.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
We just had on.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
A guy named Jim Tankersley who's a writer for the
New York Times and he actually is the Berlin bureau chief.
He lives in Germany, and he said, you'd be surprised
how many German people are concerned about Russia invading Germany. Like,
you know, the Ukraine's not the end of it. That
Germany could be on the list too, and that's one
(24:08):
of the reasons there's political support for increasing their military
spending and all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
That was surprising to me.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
Does anybody think Putin would would do that sort of thing?
Speaker 9 (24:19):
Well, you know, Lennon once said, if you are attacking somebody,
you ran in your Banett and if you hit something soft,
you keep pushing, and you keep pushing until you reach
something that is hard. And that is the school of
the logic that mister Putin went to as a young man,
so I think he subscribes to that you continue to
push until you have force coming in the opposite direction.
(24:40):
But the Germans, of course have history of all this,
dealing with the Russians in the past, and decisive battles
in World War One and World War Two. But they're
also I think, have to concern as are the polls
or the balls, etc. Who have real concerns about the Russians.
They're also our allies of the Germans.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
That was surprising to me that that's an actual concern
of the German population. I'm happy that they're spending more
money on their military and all of Europe needs to
do that. How is that war going? If you can
give us a brief overview, Well, again, it's.
Speaker 5 (25:17):
Not going well.
Speaker 9 (25:17):
I mean, mister Trump hosted Vadimir Putin in Alaska and
said that we would have bilateral negotiations soon between Zelinski
and Putin, and we'd have trilater in discussions involving him
as well. None of that has come to pass. Mister
Trump's threatened severe sanctions on mister Putin going into those
meetings in Alaska. If there was not a seafire in
(25:38):
the aftermath, You've got a seafire. And those threats of
severe sanctions against Russia now disappeared. Mister Trump has now said, well,
the United States will increase sanctions of the Russians when
all European countries stopped importing any oil and natural gas
from the Russian Federation, and the European Union puts fifty
to one hundred percent tariffs on the Chinese, which is
(26:00):
going to happen. So the concern right now is is
mister Trump has just finished up in the last few
moments actually a press conference with the Prime Minister of
Great Britain, and he is in England for a state visit.
Europeans being concerned and tankers. That I think is underscores
that about can they still depend on the United States?
Will the United States still be there for them? That
(26:20):
Trump administration has already said, We're not going to provide
any more military aid the Ukraine now. Any military assistance
to Ukraine now has to be purchased by Ukraine from US.
Or purchased from by the Europeans in behalf of Ukraine.
And then, of course last week we had the incursion
over Polish territory of somewhere between fifteen and twenty Russian drones.
(26:44):
Mister Trump kind of dismissed that as well, that was
probably an accident. I'm sorry, you don't sam fifteen or
twenty drones accidentally across the international border, and ten about
half of them in the direction of by NATO airbase.
That's one heck of a coincidence, and that certainly has
a concern under the Europeans, they've now created a new
program for a new operation called European Sentry and moving
(27:07):
digtional forces into the eastern part of the alliance as
tensions continue to mount on the other side of the
Russians have shown i'll suggested no desire to negotiate this
at all, and in fact, for Minister Labrav kind of
waved all that off the last few days, saying that
will negotiate basically when the root causes the war have addressed,
and for the Russians that basically is a Ukrainian surmander.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
The reporting I read is there's quite a debate going
on in the White House, and there are two factions.
There's one that really wants to hit Russia hard with
the sanctions and really arm Ukraine and tell them, you know,
use these weapons to fire into Russia however you need to.
Then there's the other faction that says, it's not our circus,
not our monkeys, not our war.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Let's you know, let's get out of this. Let your
appanel it.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
If we's if it's the first path, if we decide
to hit with the sanctions and arm Ukraine, do you
think there's any winning the war?
Speaker 2 (28:02):
And I'm not even sure what winning would mean.
Speaker 9 (28:05):
I think it's the distinct possibility. You're right again, Jack,
You got to define what is winning and winning it
would be to me an end of the conflict. Might
Russia again recognition of some territory, Yes, for example, Crimea
would probably remain in Russian hands. Yes, number one. Number two,
Ukraine would have to have some assurances this is not
going to happen. Then again, either through a security force
(28:27):
on the ground that would deter the Russians in future,
and in Ukraine would be able to retain its sovereignty
and tick, you're joining other international institutions like the European
Union might maybe not NATO at anytime soon, but at
least the European Union, that would be a win. And
you know, at the same time, I think you've defined
the faction absolutely correctly. But it's interesting. In the United
(28:48):
States Senate, there is a bill right now could increased
sanctions as well, not only military but more economic pressure
on the Russians, and has got somewhere like eighty five
senators who have endorsed it. My goodness, we couldn't get
any five senators on both sides of the issle agree
on what time of day it is right, but they
agreed to that one. And so that too is another
card that mister Trump could play. But so far, at
(29:10):
least he seems to be moving I fear more in
the direction of trying to figure out a graceful way
to exit this in the near future.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
Well, time will tell, and when we get a direction,
we'll probably talk to you again. That is, doctor Jeff
mccosm CBS News Military consultant, Thanks for your time today.
Speaker 9 (29:28):
Thanks check.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
Yeah, I wonder when that decision is finally going to
be made, I guarantee you. So there is a one
on one talk today between Trump and Starmer, and I
don't know if there's any reporting out of what they
talked about, or if we'll even hear what they talked about,
but I guarantee you that was probably the number one
topic is how much support the United States is going
(29:51):
to give to Ukraine, If any any whope took care
of that. Some Kimmel stuff coming up, Yeah, Joe was right.
The Wall Street Journal does have I have one person
say sources with Disney say they're looking at possibly trying
to figure out how to get Jimmy Kimmel back on
the air. I don't know if I believe that's going
to happen. I don't know. All the reporting makes it
(30:12):
sound like he's done, but maybe they're wrong. More on
that and other stuff on the way stay here.
Speaker 10 (30:19):
According to new research, in the wild, chimpanzees likely ingest
the equivalent of several alcoholic drinks every day. The chimpsy
vibe alcohol by guzzling ripe fruit, which puts their ethanol
intake at about fourteen grams per day. You're telling me
that animals that fling their poop and masturbate in public
(30:41):
might be drunk.
Speaker 4 (30:47):
If monkeys get drunk on purpose because they like the
feeling of being drunk.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
That's pretty interesting.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
And uh, what's the what's what are they trying to
escape from the pressures of all day long swinging through
the jungle trying to find a right banana gets old,
you know at the end of the day, and they
take the edge off. I mean, what are their pressures?
Speaker 2 (31:15):
I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
Uh want to get this on. This is some sort
of tip for is In and Out still only a
California restaurant? No, they've spread, They have spread. Okay, I
don't know how many of all all y'all have an
in and Out near you. My son loves in and
Out so much he'd eat in and Out every.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Day if I let him. I like it, okay, Oh,
I love it. You love the inn.
Speaker 7 (31:40):
I'm probably well because today is National Cheeseburger Day, and
I love in and Out so much.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
I'm definitely going. I'd forgotten that today was National cheese
Burger Day. What do you get when you go? Do
you do that? Are you a secret menu person? Or
you just go with the regular?
Speaker 7 (31:52):
I go with the regular protein style and the fries
extra well done.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
Aren't you healthy and my son does the jungle fries
the off menu. Secret thing that's all right? Is that
what they call him animal animal style jungle. What's jungle style.
I've never heard of jungle style. That might be a
sexual position.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
You're a drunk monkey. Yeah. Anyway, there's something about In
and Out. Everybody's waiting in line on this side street.
Speaker 6 (32:19):
There's so many cars in line. This silver Toyota cuts
everybody right at the corner of the side street in
the driveway, and I see it all happen. The staff
still takes their order and everything.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
That guy just cut everybody. There's no way.
Speaker 6 (32:32):
So when it was my attorney to order, I placed
my order and then I was like, by the way,
like that silver Toyota cut everybody in line.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
He's like, oh yeah, I saw them do that.
Speaker 6 (32:40):
They put like a home run note is what he
called it, which basically means that they're going to take
his order, but they'll tell him to pull out, put
his blinkers on in the front, and then they're just
going to take way longer to make his order as
if he were to wait in line.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Anyways, I love In and Out so much.
Speaker 7 (32:58):
I loved I love the content of that clip, but
the vocal fry and up speak almost knocked me out
of my chair, Like cut everybody in line.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Yeah, look good for you in and out.
Speaker 5 (33:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
I like that a lot because you know, you see
and I don't know.
Speaker 7 (33:19):
I go down these weird rabbit holes of fights on YouTube,
but the oh yeah, drive through fights are awesome.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
We Oh gosh. You get two people that.
Speaker 7 (33:28):
Pulled in from two different directions in the parking lot
to the same lane at the same time, and both
of them are not going to move, so they're both
out of their cars cussing each other out.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
It's like, dude, this is a Wendy's.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
Is it usually like dark as in the bars have
closed and maybe alcohol's involved.
Speaker 7 (33:42):
No, it's ranging from you're in line for breakfast on
your way to work to after the bars have closed.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
It happened.
Speaker 7 (33:49):
It's it's a non discriminatory time frame.
Speaker 4 (33:52):
I hope it doesn't make me a beta male, but like,
if you pull in you really want to go go ahead,
It'll take me two extra minutes to get my food.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
Yeah, that makes you smart jack, not a beta.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
It seems like a lot of hassle for anywhoya, what
do you go, what do I search on on YouTube
if I want to spend my afternoon doing this?
Speaker 7 (34:10):
Well, so I am subscribed to a channel called public Freakouts, okay,
and then YouTube just provides me with this beautiful algorithm
of all these people just losing their s in public,
and it drove me towards this, this drive through drama page.
Speaker 4 (34:28):
That's funny that there are things because like I have
a friend who likes to watch boat docking mishaps. Yeah,
people people who can't can't dock their big fancy boat
and crash it into stuff and like poke holes.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
I love those two. I love them too. Hell hell
kind of way is it to spend your day?
Speaker 7 (34:48):
I don't know, but I am ashamed, somewhat ashamed, but
I'll admit it. I spent about an hour and a
half watching public freakouts the other day. One because they're hilarious,
and two it's a great reminder to not do that.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
It's a camera everywhere.
Speaker 4 (35:02):
Yeah, so that one. That one, I think you get
to feel superior to people. Look at these numbnuts fighting
the boat crashing ones. Probably got a little bit of envy.
It's like, you got this fancy boat and look at you,
you idiot, You just yeah, that's probably what that one is.
Speaker 7 (35:19):
I twinge at those two because I'm like, I know
how much that's gonna cost.
Speaker 4 (35:22):
Oh yeah, yeah, that's pretty funny.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
The way people can spend their time.
Speaker 7 (35:30):
I'll send you the lake to my public freakouts page
because it's pretty it's pretty great good.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
It's a good way to waste some time if you
need to awesome.
Speaker 4 (35:37):
You know what people are not spending their time doing
watching late night television. I was just looking at the
ratings that they put out, obviously attached to the whole
Jimmy Kimmel getting fired or temporary delayed or whatever ends
up being. All the ratings are down for all the
shows Kimmel, CBS before they got rid of Colbert in
the Tonight Show. They're all shadows of what they used
(35:58):
to be fifteen years ago and certainly twenty five years ago.
They get way more attention and emphasis put on what
they say and whether they exist than they deserve for
the size of the show. I mean, if it was
just a sitcom on in the middle of the day
with that audience, you would have never heard of it
and nobody would say a word about it. Because they're
not impactful enough. If you missed a segment in an hour,
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