September 19, 2025 • 36 mins
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- College students are afraid to speak out...
- Joe goes to London, and a pub runs out of food...
- The weirdo foot-loving thief...
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George
Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Armstrong and get Taking, and he.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Armstrong and Getty Strong and Not live from Studio C.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
We're Armstrong in Getty. We've taken the day off. We're
just exhausted. Yes, but you can enjoy this.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Incredibly carefully prepared Armstrong and Getty replay. Hours minutes of
effort went into distilling the show to its fine assessence.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
It's very so, it's okay, So sit back and enjoy.
And Armstrong and Getty replay bought him the butto bike,
I'm gonna become bike riding guy.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
See one of those guys where is a skin tight
clothes walks around the Starbucks.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Oh no, I'm not. I'm not, actually, but I pictured you.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
More shirtless, over tenned, messy, probably stolen bike down right,
You're going like tour riding a kid's bike. I'm somewhere
in between. I'm gonna be in probably gens, tennis shoes
and a T shirt. But I am on a real bike,
not a child's bike. I took out of someone's backyard.
The suburban gentleman look exactly why not. We were talking
(01:15):
yesterday about an absolutely blockbuster report in the Hill about
how vast majorities of college kids don't believe the garbage
they've been indoctrinated in, but they're afraid to say it.
That is one of the more important things for people
to know that I can remember. I mean, this is
important information. Yeah, and we hammered.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
This pretty good yesterday.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
But seventy eight percent of students told us a self
censor on their belief sound surrounding gender identity, seventy two
percent on politics in general, sixty eight percent on family values.
They value what are traditionally known as family values, but
they dare not speak it on college campus, and more
(01:59):
than eighty percent so they'd submitted classwork that represented their
views in order to align with professors. You give them
a chance and they will tell you what they really think.
And we are on the cusp. I think of a
huge move toward the youngsters of recognizing what's being done
(02:21):
at colleges. It's not education at all, it's indoctrination. But
those pull numbers were stunning and encouraging.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Well.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
The important thing to me, though, is just realizing that
as human nature, that we're all so susceptible.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
I don't know about all, but so many people are
susceptible to this.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Yeah, of keeping your mouth shut if you think most
people don't agree with you. I keep my mouth shut
in most social situations about political stuff. But right, yeah, Well,
and the whole concept of a preference distortion, which I
find so interesting that you because everybody around you is silent,
You think, oh, I'm probably one of the only people
who believes this right as they agree with the powerful
(03:00):
people who are telling us all what we ought to believe.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
But no, you're all sitting there thinking the same thing. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
And I don't know how many times, probably everybody's had
this situation where that is going on, and somebody says,
you know, I'm a gun owner, and I'm me too,
me too, and that's oh geez, okay, so we're not
all well, that's whatever the topic is. And that's the
crazy thing, you know, to if you find yourself in
college and thinking, you know this stuff about you know,
(03:25):
the gender bending madness a man can just become a
woman and that's really a woman, and all the other
stuff they teach these poor kids, all the critical theory stuff.
If you have the courage to stand up and be
that rebel and think, you know what, ten percent of
us are together. I'm going to stand up and say so.
Then all of a sudden, eighty five percent of the
(03:46):
class is on your side. You are a rebel, but
you know you're not nearly as alone as you think. Yeah,
you can't blame people though, I mean, oh, it's not
blaming them at all. First of all, everything that's been
presented to all of us led us to believe that
this is what most people on college campus has thought
was this stuff. Well that's part of the insidious plot.
That's what propaganda is. Sure, and telling everybody, including the
(04:10):
teachers who are going to grade you, that they're wrong,
completely wrong, is not always your best move, right. Oh yeah,
Well that's why eighty percent of the kids submitted work
that they didn't believe, because they had to get some
to get their grades and move on in life. Nearly
four out of five, I don't believe this, but I'm
gonna pretend I do to get along.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
That's amazing.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Yeah, yeah, but that's you know, that's indoctrination, especially of youth,
is all about fighting unfairly and bullying and convincing kids
that everybody believes it, and anybody who dissents as a
bad person. So yeah, I don't blame the kids at all. No,
I want to fight against the evildoers or bullying them anyway.
(04:56):
Morgad News, and if San Francisco's doing it, it's gonna spread.
San Francisco has embraced a new tool to clear homeless camps.
I've noticed city officials pointing to cleaner streets. Is evidence
that more active approach is working. I feel like my
reporters say it's cruel and nasty. I feel like my reporting,
with my own circumstances was leading the way long before
(05:20):
the Wall Street Journal or others picked up on this.
On the East coast, San Francisco is a complete If
you haven't been in a long time, it's a completely
different looking city than it was a year ago.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
It's amazing.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Indeed, between July of last year and July of this year,
the city arrested or cited more than one thousand and
eighty people.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
On illegal lodging charges.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
That's over ten times the number of arrests during the
same period a year earlier under the progressive former administration.
Last time I was in downtown San Francisco. I saw
a homeless person one and that person was being talked
to by somebody from the city about how you got
to get out of here. So the residents and business
owners complaining about safety as encampments girl grew have finally
(06:01):
been heard.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Now.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Of course, the activists say, you're merely shifting the homeless
population around the city and putting homeless people a greater risk.
Ups of them need to shdrug addicts. Yeah, yeah, shut up.
So San Francisco is doing a good job. It is possible,
even under some of the bizarre court rulings recently. And
also and this is out of San Francisco as well.
(06:26):
Once seen as a model of progressive drug policy, San
Francisco stands now as a morbid example of how harm
reduction has gone astray. That's this is one of the shibboleths,
one of the gods of the left, is that you've
got to help junkies do drugs safely and comfortably. Look,
(06:51):
I get the clean needles thing, I get the impulse there.
What's the theory on that, though, Well, how's that supposed
to end? That people will on their own decide? You
know what, I don't want.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
To live in my own filth on the street at
some point, yes, okay, yes, exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
In fact, this Gal, who's the executive director of the
National Harm Reduction Coalition, called the shift in San Francisco
away from the harm reduction quote moronic and antithetical to
what we know works. But the problem in San Francisco
and other progressive cities is that harm reduction has become
(07:29):
completely divorced from recovery.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
What began as a.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Campaign to keep people live long enough to recover from
addiction has devolved into a philosophy that no longer considers
recovery as necessary or even desirable. The question of whether
or not harm reduction is successful comes down to whether
it's treated as a gateway to recovery or as an
alternative to it.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
So there you go.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
It has become an alternative to getting off of drugs.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
What percentage? So I'm I'm not a big financed by you,
the taxpayer.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
I'm not big on the on rehabs and that sort
of stuff because they are incredibly unsuccessful and nobody pays
any attention to that.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
But of people that.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
I mean not just for regular people, of people that
are so far down the whole drug road that you're
sleeping on the street next to another drug addict. How
many of those people ever clean up? I wonder half
of one percent. I'll bet it's very I'll bet it's very,
very low. Yeah, I'm guessing you know, a pretty good
(08:27):
chunk of them continue using into their forties fifties, and
then they succumb to you know, the sort of thing
middle aged addicts do. As you know, a coroner once
said in response to the question, who's your most common customer? Uh,
they said male fifties alcoholic, and I'm sure drug addict.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Now, because that was that was, gosh, fifteen years ago.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
I think they would probably say, yeah, middle aged or
drug addict or a young drug addict. Anyway, more good news, though.
Don't want to get focused on the bad news. Want
to get focused on the fact that a lot of
the insane policies of the left are being abandoned, even
in places like San Francisco. Different topic, but kind of
the same area. Boston Children's Hospital, the Harvard Medical Research
(09:17):
and Training hospital that specializes in children's care, had previously
insisted that they do not perform genital surgeries as part
of gender affirming care on patients under the age of eighteen,
but a journal of Clinical Medicine Studies published a couple
of years ago that was improved.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Blah blah blah.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Describes chess surgeries for those that are fifteen, as well
as genital surgeries for those over seventeen, and the Trump
administration has subpoenaed all sorts of information from them, and
because of that, at least partly, and this is from
the New York Times reload plays there, it is hospitals
are limiting gender treatment for transminers. Both of those phrases
(09:58):
ought to be in quotes because they're made up.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Even in blue states.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Three prominent medical centers in California recently announced they would
stop the treatments, citing pressure from the Trump administration and
from sanity.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
So that's good.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
There's a lot of real madness being rolled back.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Good progress domestically. Love it. Let's not focus on the
grim stuff.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
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Speaker 3 (10:30):
So my sweetheart Judy and I spent eight days in
London and had an absolutely wonderful time. I loved England
as I suspected I would. It's a very interesting place.
I'd become a fan of day drinking and not and
not not in that like vacation drinking all day long way,
(10:50):
but in the like you have a pint at lunch
at a pub and then you go do what you're
going to do.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
You're not quote unquote drinking.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
You just have a beer because it's nice and it
makes you feel slightly more cheerful.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Why did we eat?
Speaker 3 (11:07):
How did we develop our attitude we have in the
United States over the years, Because I remember when I
was in Italy thinking the same thing. Everybody would come
in the restaurants, like people who are working their jobs.
They'd have a glass of wine, eat their food and
then go back to work. And that is seen in
the United States is just insane, just absolutely crazy. Yeah,
the Europeans have what I would call a very European
(11:28):
look or view of drinking that I found refreshing. Speaking
of pubs, So we rented a flat in Mayfair if
you know where that is, doesn't matter, New Bond Street,
lots of like crazy high end shopping, mostly populated by
Kuwaiti oil money.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Oh wow, by the bye guys.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Walking up the street with four chicks and the beekeeper
out really going into perfume stores and spending just one
godly amounts of oil money and a lot real. That's
not an exaggeration. You saw a guy walking up the
street with four women in the beekeeper up in eight
days many times? Yes, wow, I mean one to six
(12:10):
women in the beekeeper.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Wow. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Anyway, they are basically sex slaves or cleaning your house
slaves or whatever, and everybody just tolerates that with no rights.
That's correct, yes, And Brits are not super duper happy
about the completely wildly unfettered immigration from Muslim lands over
the last twenty years. More on that another time, but anyway,
(12:33):
but out our windows onto the street, there was a
little like just had half a block long street, and
there was a pub on each side of it. At
the other end it was one hundred yards from us
maybe as we looked out the window, and it was.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
So cool every day, and more and more as the
week went on.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
At four thirty or so, certainly by five o'clock there
would be so many people standing in and outside the
pub having a pint with their coworkers and friends and
a laugh and a conversation before they went home for
the day.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Sounds like a recipe for sexual harassment. Oh my god.
And it wasn't they were drinking.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
No, they were talking with people because they worked with people,
and they met their buddies, and they talked about the
football match, which is soccer, and just it was so nice. Yeah, anyway, yeah,
and I thought, wow, I could get used to this
in a hurry. Although the pub thing, we went to
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this one historic pub. We met our next door neighbors
from home. Weirdly enough, they were over there at the
same time we decided to get together. We go to
this pub, hundreds of years old, pub, drenched in history, legendary,
the Prince something or lord, what's it there, I don't
even remember.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
The name, but it was very atmospheric.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
But anyway, so we're sitting there having dinner and or
we're having you know, a couple of pines, and we
decide it's time to eat, and we order like four
small plates off the menu, and the waitress comes back
and says, I'm so sorry, we're actually out of the
calamari and the pucker fish or whatever the hell it was,
and also the the the beef Wellington. And we're like, oh, okay,
(14:22):
it's like six o'clock at night. All right, all right,
all right, we'll order those other things. Then she comes
back in like two of those three are out. So
should she ever get around to admitting we're not actually
a restaurant. We don't have any food at all. We
just have a menu. We just hope we're working on
the wind. Most people start drinking, they forget if they're hungry.
So at one point I said, it would save time
(14:44):
if you just told me what you do have, But
we end up with this mess of food.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Did you say that I shouldn't have but I didn't know.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
And finally, so at the end of the evening, and
it was lovely, she comes and says, can you tell
me what you actually ordered? And got oh boy? And
I'm like, wait a minute, that's your job. We're support no, no, no,
you tell us. And it was just part of it
is Tipping is not really a thing there. Now they've
(15:19):
got a service charge that's like five, six, maybe ten percent,
but you feel it because they're not earning it. They're like, look,
I'm getting my six percent. Oh okay, no matter what, gotcha.
So if you have to like order twenty four foods
before I bring you three just because we're playing this
(15:39):
little game of we.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Might have it, we might not. Why don't you ordered?
If find out?
Speaker 3 (15:46):
So you know, it's it's pluses and minuses, because the
whole tipping thing is it's stressful, especially if you don't
know local customs.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
But yeah, Michael, how was the food over there? Overall?
In England? Uh?
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Overall kind of good, not great, but once you realize
how to order and what to order, it's better. But yeah,
the Brits are not famous for food for a good reason.
If you say, hey, what's a great meal around here,
people will send you to an Italian restaurant or an
Indian restaurant for a good reason. But the other thing
(16:20):
about workers that I found interesting. We had a tour
guide at the British Museum who was just terrific. He
was a professor of history and he said, yeah, that
exhibit is shut down because there's just no employees.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
There's no one to work. I said, what, that's odd?
Speaker 3 (16:35):
He said, oh, yeah, since COVID, everybody stays home, they
live with their parents, they're collecting government checks.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
You can't get people to work. Wow.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
And I thought that was so interesting and exactly what
you hear from so many employers in the States. Yeah,
we had that conversation with my family in the Midwest
of the United States. I don't go to other countries
and give them my money. I stay in the United
States and I'm for you. But we had the same
conversation and how number of restaurants, including the one we
were at, was really they they weren't seating all the seats,
(17:08):
not because they were crowded, but because they didn't have
enough help. How is that still a thing? Yeah, I know,
it's amazing and universally universal. Apparently we need.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Transition music for this. When Michael, there we go.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
Everything you described, the difference between a beat and the grooves.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
There's the magic right here.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Listen to this for a minute. I'm telling you that
organ in the background under appreciative harder than it looks too. Oh,
it can come and go like love the groove? Are
you kidding?
Speaker 2 (18:00):
So?
Speaker 3 (18:00):
I think this is somewhat self explanatory. A woman trying
to sell her sneakers online and meets the guy. Anyway,
here's how it turns out.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
We had met up because I was going to sell
him my sneakers. He just wanted to sniff my feet.
And I didn't feel comfortable with that. I mean, you
could have my sneakers all you want. I mean, I
don't care. I'm not wearing them. You know, they're just
stinky old sneakers. But people like weird things. And I
met him down in the parking garage.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
He did a three.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
Point turn and actually hit me with a car ran
me over. I've met a lot of people who have
foot fetishes. Nobody has ever done anything to this caliber.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
A lot of questions here, y go ahead, this start.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
Oh geez, Now, maybe she has some of those, because
my son deals in the world of rare sneakers and
it's a thing, and people buy and sell them online
and they're worth hundreds of dollars. And but but I mean,
why was she selling your shoes on used shoes? Give
she was offered money so the dude could smell her
(19:09):
stinky old sneakers, Okay, And then he said, you know
it seems crazy.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Well, well I'm here, you mind if I just like
I go to the source?
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Well see exactly, You know, my dear, it strikes me,
as we're conversing here in this parking garage that it
seems odd to go to the second hand, if you
will the smell of your foot within your sneakers, when
your very feet are there at the end of your legs.
So perhaps I could, well, I don't know, sniff on
your feet here in this parking garage. And she said, Sea,
(19:41):
that is a bridge too far. I will sell you
my stinky ass snakers, but you'll not be sniffing on
my tutsis. So he says, well, fine, then let's agree
to disagree, and he walks over to his car, gets in,
does a three point turn. Yes, not a U turn,
a three point turn. Apparently the space was not wide
(20:02):
enough to allow a single turn. He does a three
point turn, comes back and hits her. How hard much
did he hit you? As you seem to be kind
of recounting this story in a jovial manner, as opposed
to lying on the cement going ah yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Something tells me it was a glancing blow.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
But a guy who was charged with aggravated battery, which
is good. Uh, after reviewing his background, and this is
the cops servated a battery is a full step worse
than jovial battery. Uh. He's been the subject of other
incidents involving the same modus operandi. So he buys you
(20:44):
sneakers online, and then every time he meets the person,
he says, so.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Whoa, I'm here's eliminate the middleman, right an aggressive scent? U?
What is the up charge for the the foot sniffing?
Speaker 3 (21:01):
So your belief is that she knew exactly why he
wanted the sneakers. She's one of those people that sells
her clothing for people to smell, which I find weird
and disgusting. But I wouldn't now lot between two consenting adults.
If you want to enjoy my soiled garments and are
willing to pay for me, that trade can happen well.
As usual in modern crappy crappy journalism, some of the
(21:24):
most obvious questions that immediately popped to mind evidently didn't
occur to this journalist. Like the lead says, she said
that blah blah blah told locals she met up with
this guy in order to sell them a pair of
used snakers. Okay, let's start right there. She's a petite female,
(21:47):
twenty eight year old dude, it's not going to be
wearing her snakers. Did at any point she asked, why
do you want to sell my buy my snakers. How
did he come to know she had sneakers to sell?
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Right?
Speaker 3 (21:59):
Okay, did she realize there was a quasi sexual dynamic
going on here? And merely, well, if you judged merely
by what she said, she just didn't want him sniffing
on her feet, but knew why he was buying the
stinky old snakers.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
People like weird things, she said.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Yeah, okay, it makes sense now because the part at
the end where she said, I I've met a lot
of people who like to smell feet, and I thought, okay,
I've not met any So how come you've met lots?
But that makes sense now you're saying that that's that's
what she's up to. Yeah, in that world. Yeah, okay,
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so she might maybe this is profitable, Maybe I should
look into it. Maybe she goes to famous footwear, buys
discount shoes, wears them for a week, puts them on eBay,
and sells them.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
For a hundred bucks.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
That's entirely you've declared it a perversion, you know what.
I apologize for that, and I retract it to enthusiasts. Anyway,
here's here's another uh head scratcher for you. Try in
the middle of the article. The untrained eye wouldn't even
have noticed this jack. So but then she said things
(23:13):
got scary. She said, Uh, this guy whose name is
el Monsey, Circle of Southwest Miami Dade, Florida, man ran
out of the room. Wait a minute, what room room? Oh,
she met up with him at a hotel. Good idea
to sell him, used snake. That's a really good idea.
(23:36):
Knowing circle, knowing, we think that what it's what's all about.
So you're selling your sneakers to people that want to
smell your dirty sneakers and you're eating them privately. That's
a terrible idea, mailed them. Then she said things got scary.
She said, Circle of South ran out of the room
with what she thought were her shoes.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Okay, now that is very confusing.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
Everybody, including you folks, are all making the same Wait
what face? What she thought were her shoes? Did this
guy have like ten twelve pairs of women's shoes on him? Anyway,
she said, she ran after him to the parking area.
She's like, you gotta pay me for my shoes that
(24:23):
you sniff while you pleasure yourself. Otherwise it's theft. And
she's quite correct and she confronted dude, like was yelling
at him and chasing after him. That's when he got
into his suv, did a rapid three point turn and
actually hit her with his car as she was like
confronting him and yelling at him, which is obviously uncool.
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But again again, you can be like America's leading seller
of shoes, undergarments, whatever the hell you want if somebody's
willing to buy him. I'm a capitalist, you go, girl,
But I think I the news consumer to deserve an explanation.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Okay, I need to look this up.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Perversion generally means a deviation from what's considered normal, natural,
or acceptable. Acceptable is the eye to beholder, but certainly
normal and natural, it would it would count as a perversion.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
I don't know. I might have to quibble with you there.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
There's one of the more striking things I ever read
as a young man, was pointing out the difference between
average and normal.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
How about natural? It's not natural. It's a value judgment.
It's not very entirely a value judgment.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Well, if one out of a million people are into it,
is that natural? I suppose it is natural? Yeah, it's
natural aberration. Yeah, if that's fairly consistent across time. The
ten percent of people are especially attracted to smells.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
I'm perfectly okay calling this guy a pervert. Well he's
a shoe thief.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Well maybe again, he ran out with what she believed
were her shoes.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
He just ran outig here with somebody's shoes. I believe
there must be mine.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
That is a odd story, and the reporters thinking, how
did I end up on this beat?
Speaker 2 (26:19):
All right? What are the details? Writing it down?
Speaker 3 (26:22):
How much college debt do I have from Columbia journalism school?
I was going to change this fascist, evil country and
teach people about the patriarchy and white supremacy. Here I
am reporting on pervo Jim here and Sally's stinky shoe
and her scam. Although again, you know if they're buying
(26:44):
sell that's what I say. Nobody's harmed.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
No, no, nobody harm.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
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Speaker 2 (28:09):
And this shot up with.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Donald Trump at the Museum of the Bible making a
couple of announcements. But Donald Trump went on to say,
among things in his speech which will lead Joe into
his Malcolm Gladwell story, I made the official policy of
the United States government that there are only two genders,
Trump said today, saying that men and women's sports isn't
an eighty twenty issue, it's a ninety seven to three issue.
(28:37):
Despite that, the fact that it's probably about a ninety
ten issue, people were so convinced that it was a
grenade you were stepping on. If you said anything about it,
people got their mouths shut for a long time, including
Malcolm Gladwell apparently.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Well, yeah, and it's worth observing that the.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Keeping dudes out of girls sports thing is still illegal
in some Blue states, including the most populous state in
the Union where she used to still just have to
announce you're a girl, and you can play girls sports
and beat the hell out of the girls, and with
the smile and nod and approval.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Of the left craziness.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
Anyway, it's worth pointing out that through the years, I
mean Malcolm Gladwell, he's written a bunch of like super
popular bestsellers, but of which I really liked.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Yeah, yeah, and yeah yeah. He pissed me off so much.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
I saw him participate in a debate and he like
inappropriately played the race card and the cancel culture card
in a couple of spots against Matt Tayebee and Douglas
Murray in ways that were just baffling and unfair. Yeah,
and I kind of soured on Gladwell. But as I
was starting to say, I mean, he's been called one
(29:59):
of the world's most one hundred most influential people by
Time back when that mattered. Foreign Policy Magazine ranked him
in its top one hundred global thinkers. Newsweek chose him
for the Top ten New Thought Leaders of the decade
a number of years ago. Tipping point huge bestseller, he
has seven New York Times bestsellers, twenty three million copies sold.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
His speaking fees are between.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
Two and three hundred thousand dollars to come and do
a speech, and as rich I'm sorry as Jim Gaherty
of the National Review pointed out, you'd have to look
hard to find a guy with a better, higher or
more stable perch in the American cultural elite than Gladwell.
(30:44):
And even this guy was afraid to say what he
really thought for fear of getting canceled, which is a
good point. So, you know, pity the poor employee at
some you know, West Coast, you know, corporation that's told
you have to believe this and say this, or we're
going to hound out of here.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
But anyway, what we're talking about is if you're a
teacher at a school, we're right.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
Oh my god, what a great example, because there's so
many great teachers of reasonable conscience who just have to
choke down their disgust with what they're being told to
teach and believe. But anyway, so Gladwell did this podcast,
the Real Science of Sport podcast, which is interesting but
(31:26):
I won't go off on a tangent to that, but
he and the moderator of the podcast had been on
a panel together. Malcolm was the moderator and Ross Tucker
is the other guy. Ross was on the panel as
being against guys playing in girls sports. And I'll just
pick up where Gladwell starts talking. Yeah, they stacked the panel.
(31:46):
They stacked against your Ross. They put a trans athlete
and a trans advocate and you on the panel, and
I was the moderator. And it was one of those
strange situations where my suspicion is that ninety percent of
the people in the audience were on your side, but
five percent of the audience was willing to admit it.
I've become fascinated with this concept of a preference falsification lately,
(32:09):
where forceful advocates for a minority position are so adamant
and bullying that everybody sits there silently, then looks around
themselves and says, well, I guess nobody else disagrees. I'm
in a very small minority because everybody's being quiet. But
as Gladwell now says, he thought ninety percent of the
(32:32):
audience was with Ross, but only five percent were willing
to admit it.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Let's see.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
Tucker says, My recollection of it is that everything I
said was met with deathly silence, and everything the other
two said got cheered. Sure, and Gladwell says, well, the cheers,
I mean. I think there was a hardcore of people
who are ideologically committed to the position, but the idea
that I mean, there's many interesting things to say about
that conversation. One was that it was a particular moment
(32:59):
which has passed. We did a replay of that exact
panel at the Sloan Conference in March and it ran
in exactly the opposite direction.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Wow, I the bloom is off the Rose thing on
that topic.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
Yeah, and then Gladwell says, and I think this is notable.
I just think it was strange. I mean I felt,
I mean the reason I'm ashamed of my performance that
should you should be ashamed? You should be actually ashamed. Yes, yes, yes,
whenever you're being a coward in the face of bullies
(33:35):
who are pushing a perverse and ugly ideology and you
don't stand up, Yes, you should be ashamed. Especially I
mean when you feel like you can't you realize I
get that, Especially when you're ungodly wealthy and the only
thing you're risking is the opinion of some nutjobs who
you think you're going to run into it a party.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
I mean, that is some weak tea right there. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
Gladwell, especially out of money, mentally ashamed. But here's what
he says. The reason I'm ashamed of my performance on
that panel is because I share your position one hundred percent,
and I was cowed the idea of saying anything on
this issue. I was in I believe in retrospect in
a dishonest way.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
I was. I was objective in a dishonest way.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
Well, a lot of the real howlers pass without comment
because I didn't.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
And I said you in an email.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
Of a Uh's a oh, and I he's talking about
Riley Gaines. They were trans athlete there. They were the
trans athlete down the panel, and at one point they
turned to you, Ross and they said, Ross, you have
to let us win. And it was at that moment
I realized this position is gone to the furthest extreme.
(34:44):
What the trans movement is not asking for. They're not
asking for, you know, a place at the table. They're
not asking to be treated with respect and dignity. What
they're asking for is that no one questioned the considerable
physical physiological advantage they bring to the sport, and no
one can question if they're going to win these races
by five seconds.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Suck it up. That's what they were asking right, So.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
There's no point in beating up on Malcolm Gladwell, Uh, really,
can we come on?
Speaker 5 (35:09):
It's good cardiovascular exercise. She let people like Riley Gaines
put their physical safety at risk by speaking what they
believed or JK. Rowlings sticking her neck out. You agreed
with them, But you're too big a freaking coward. And
you want to be able to go to cool New
(35:30):
York parties without anybody giving you the side eye that
you kept your mouth shut.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
I mean, that's so freaking weak. I'd be ashamed to
walk in public if I were that person. Yeah, Malcolm Gladwell,
you should be a shamed to be in public. I
mean seriously, that is so damn we You're ungodly rich,
you're as successful as you can get. You've got nothing
to lose, zero to lose by saying the truth. And
you still would too big a coward because well, I
(35:57):
want to be the cool guy at the party.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
God, that's so weak. But I don't want to talk
about that because there's no point.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
What the The interesting part that we should all take
to heart is that even at that level, people are
willing to go along with the crowd if it's just easier.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Yeah, even at that level. So if even at that level,
people are willing to go that.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
We have to We have to factor that into every
phenomenon that comes ever again in our lives, whether it's
climate change, of trends, or anything.
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The suburban gentleman look exactly why not. We were talking
(01:15):
yesterday about an absolutely blockbuster report in the Hill about
how vast majorities of college kids don't believe the garbage
they've been indoctrinated in, but they're afraid to say it.
That is one of the more important things for people
to know that I can remember. I mean, this is
important information. Yeah, and we hammered.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
This pretty good yesterday.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
But seventy eight percent of students told us a self
censor on their belief sound surrounding gender identity, seventy two
percent on politics in general, sixty eight percent on family values.
They value what are traditionally known as family values, but
they dare not speak it on college campus, and more
(01:59):
than eighty percent so they'd submitted classwork that represented their
views in order to align with professors. You give them
a chance and they will tell you what they really think.
And we are on the cusp. I think of a
huge move toward the youngsters of recognizing what's being done
(02:21):
at colleges. It's not education at all, it's indoctrination. But
those pull numbers were stunning and encouraging.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Well.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
The important thing to me, though, is just realizing that
as human nature, that we're all so susceptible.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
I don't know about all, but so many people are
susceptible to this.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Yeah, of keeping your mouth shut if you think most
people don't agree with you. I keep my mouth shut
in most social situations about political stuff. But right, yeah, Well,
and the whole concept of a preference distortion, which I
find so interesting that you because everybody around you is silent,
You think, oh, I'm probably one of the only people
who believes this right as they agree with the powerful
(03:00):
people who are telling us all what we ought to believe.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
But no, you're all sitting there thinking the same thing. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
And I don't know how many times, probably everybody's had
this situation where that is going on, and somebody says,
you know, I'm a gun owner, and I'm me too,
me too, and that's oh geez, okay, so we're not
all well, that's whatever the topic is. And that's the
crazy thing, you know, to if you find yourself in
college and thinking, you know this stuff about you know,
(03:25):
the gender bending madness a man can just become a
woman and that's really a woman, and all the other
stuff they teach these poor kids, all the critical theory stuff.
If you have the courage to stand up and be
that rebel and think, you know what, ten percent of
us are together. I'm going to stand up and say so.
Then all of a sudden, eighty five percent of the
(03:46):
class is on your side. You are a rebel, but
you know you're not nearly as alone as you think. Yeah,
you can't blame people though, I mean, oh, it's not
blaming them at all. First of all, everything that's been
presented to all of us led us to believe that
this is what most people on college campus has thought
was this stuff. Well that's part of the insidious plot.
That's what propaganda is. Sure, and telling everybody, including the
(04:10):
teachers who are going to grade you, that they're wrong,
completely wrong, is not always your best move, right. Oh yeah,
Well that's why eighty percent of the kids submitted work
that they didn't believe, because they had to get some
to get their grades and move on in life. Nearly
four out of five, I don't believe this, but I'm
gonna pretend I do to get along.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
That's amazing.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Yeah, yeah, but that's you know, that's indoctrination, especially of youth,
is all about fighting unfairly and bullying and convincing kids
that everybody believes it, and anybody who dissents as a
bad person. So yeah, I don't blame the kids at all. No,
I want to fight against the evildoers or bullying them anyway.
(04:56):
Morgad News, and if San Francisco's doing it, it's gonna spread.
San Francisco has embraced a new tool to clear homeless camps.
I've noticed city officials pointing to cleaner streets. Is evidence
that more active approach is working. I feel like my
reporters say it's cruel and nasty. I feel like my reporting,
with my own circumstances was leading the way long before
(05:20):
the Wall Street Journal or others picked up on this.
On the East coast, San Francisco is a complete If
you haven't been in a long time, it's a completely
different looking city than it was a year ago.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
It's amazing.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Indeed, between July of last year and July of this year,
the city arrested or cited more than one thousand and
eighty people.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
On illegal lodging charges.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
That's over ten times the number of arrests during the
same period a year earlier under the progressive former administration.
Last time I was in downtown San Francisco. I saw
a homeless person one and that person was being talked
to by somebody from the city about how you got
to get out of here. So the residents and business
owners complaining about safety as encampments girl grew have finally
(06:01):
been heard.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Now.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Of course, the activists say, you're merely shifting the homeless
population around the city and putting homeless people a greater risk.
Ups of them need to shdrug addicts. Yeah, yeah, shut up.
So San Francisco is doing a good job. It is possible,
even under some of the bizarre court rulings recently. And
also and this is out of San Francisco as well.
(06:26):
Once seen as a model of progressive drug policy, San
Francisco stands now as a morbid example of how harm
reduction has gone astray. That's this is one of the shibboleths,
one of the gods of the left, is that you've
got to help junkies do drugs safely and comfortably. Look,
(06:51):
I get the clean needles thing, I get the impulse there.
What's the theory on that, though, Well, how's that supposed
to end? That people will on their own decide? You
know what, I don't want.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
To live in my own filth on the street at
some point, yes, okay, yes, exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
In fact, this Gal, who's the executive director of the
National Harm Reduction Coalition, called the shift in San Francisco
away from the harm reduction quote moronic and antithetical to
what we know works. But the problem in San Francisco
and other progressive cities is that harm reduction has become
(07:29):
completely divorced from recovery.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
What began as a.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Campaign to keep people live long enough to recover from
addiction has devolved into a philosophy that no longer considers
recovery as necessary or even desirable. The question of whether
or not harm reduction is successful comes down to whether
it's treated as a gateway to recovery or as an
alternative to it.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
So there you go.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
It has become an alternative to getting off of drugs.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
What percentage? So I'm I'm not a big financed by you,
the taxpayer.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
I'm not big on the on rehabs and that sort
of stuff because they are incredibly unsuccessful and nobody pays
any attention to that.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
But of people that.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
I mean not just for regular people, of people that
are so far down the whole drug road that you're
sleeping on the street next to another drug addict. How
many of those people ever clean up? I wonder half
of one percent. I'll bet it's very I'll bet it's very,
very low. Yeah, I'm guessing you know, a pretty good
(08:27):
chunk of them continue using into their forties fifties, and
then they succumb to you know, the sort of thing
middle aged addicts do. As you know, a coroner once
said in response to the question, who's your most common customer? Uh,
they said male fifties alcoholic, and I'm sure drug addict.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Now, because that was that was, gosh, fifteen years ago.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
I think they would probably say, yeah, middle aged or
drug addict or a young drug addict. Anyway, more good news, though.
Don't want to get focused on the bad news. Want
to get focused on the fact that a lot of
the insane policies of the left are being abandoned, even
in places like San Francisco. Different topic, but kind of
the same area. Boston Children's Hospital, the Harvard Medical Research
(09:17):
and Training hospital that specializes in children's care, had previously
insisted that they do not perform genital surgeries as part
of gender affirming care on patients under the age of eighteen,
but a journal of Clinical Medicine Studies published a couple
of years ago that was improved.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Blah blah blah.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Describes chess surgeries for those that are fifteen, as well
as genital surgeries for those over seventeen, and the Trump
administration has subpoenaed all sorts of information from them, and
because of that, at least partly, and this is from
the New York Times reload plays there, it is hospitals
are limiting gender treatment for transminers. Both of those phrases
(09:58):
ought to be in quotes because they're made up.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Even in blue states.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Three prominent medical centers in California recently announced they would
stop the treatments, citing pressure from the Trump administration and
from sanity.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
So that's good.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
There's a lot of real madness being rolled back.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Good progress domestically. Love it. Let's not focus on the
grim stuff.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
The Armstrong and Getty show, Yeah, your show, podcasts, and
our hot links.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
So my sweetheart Judy and I spent eight days in
London and had an absolutely wonderful time. I loved England
as I suspected I would. It's a very interesting place.
I'd become a fan of day drinking and not and
not not in that like vacation drinking all day long way,
(10:50):
but in the like you have a pint at lunch
at a pub and then you go do what you're
going to do.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
You're not quote unquote drinking.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
You just have a beer because it's nice and it
makes you feel slightly more cheerful.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Why did we eat?
Speaker 3 (11:07):
How did we develop our attitude we have in the
United States over the years, Because I remember when I
was in Italy thinking the same thing. Everybody would come
in the restaurants, like people who are working their jobs.
They'd have a glass of wine, eat their food and
then go back to work. And that is seen in
the United States is just insane, just absolutely crazy. Yeah,
the Europeans have what I would call a very European
(11:28):
look or view of drinking that I found refreshing. Speaking
of pubs, So we rented a flat in Mayfair if
you know where that is, doesn't matter, New Bond Street,
lots of like crazy high end shopping, mostly populated by
Kuwaiti oil money.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Oh wow, by the bye guys.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Walking up the street with four chicks and the beekeeper
out really going into perfume stores and spending just one
godly amounts of oil money and a lot real. That's
not an exaggeration. You saw a guy walking up the
street with four women in the beekeeper up in eight
days many times? Yes, wow, I mean one to six
(12:10):
women in the beekeeper.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Wow. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Anyway, they are basically sex slaves or cleaning your house
slaves or whatever, and everybody just tolerates that with no rights.
That's correct, yes, And Brits are not super duper happy
about the completely wildly unfettered immigration from Muslim lands over
the last twenty years. More on that another time, but anyway,
(12:33):
but out our windows onto the street, there was a
little like just had half a block long street, and
there was a pub on each side of it. At
the other end it was one hundred yards from us
maybe as we looked out the window, and it was.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
So cool every day, and more and more as the
week went on.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
At four thirty or so, certainly by five o'clock there
would be so many people standing in and outside the
pub having a pint with their coworkers and friends and
a laugh and a conversation before they went home for
the day.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Sounds like a recipe for sexual harassment. Oh my god.
And it wasn't they were drinking.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
No, they were talking with people because they worked with people,
and they met their buddies, and they talked about the
football match, which is soccer, and just it was so nice. Yeah, anyway, yeah,
and I thought, wow, I could get used to this
in a hurry. Although the pub thing, we went to
(13:39):
this one historic pub. We met our next door neighbors
from home. Weirdly enough, they were over there at the
same time we decided to get together. We go to
this pub, hundreds of years old, pub, drenched in history, legendary,
the Prince something or lord, what's it there, I don't
even remember.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
The name, but it was very atmospheric.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
But anyway, so we're sitting there having dinner and or
we're having you know, a couple of pines, and we
decide it's time to eat, and we order like four
small plates off the menu, and the waitress comes back
and says, I'm so sorry, we're actually out of the
calamari and the pucker fish or whatever the hell it was,
and also the the the beef Wellington. And we're like, oh, okay,
(14:22):
it's like six o'clock at night. All right, all right,
all right, we'll order those other things. Then she comes
back in like two of those three are out. So
should she ever get around to admitting we're not actually
a restaurant. We don't have any food at all. We
just have a menu. We just hope we're working on
the wind. Most people start drinking, they forget if they're hungry.
So at one point I said, it would save time
(14:44):
if you just told me what you do have, But
we end up with this mess of food.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Did you say that I shouldn't have but I didn't know.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
And finally, so at the end of the evening, and
it was lovely, she comes and says, can you tell
me what you actually ordered? And got oh boy? And
I'm like, wait a minute, that's your job. We're support no, no, no,
you tell us. And it was just part of it
is Tipping is not really a thing there. Now they've
(15:19):
got a service charge that's like five, six, maybe ten percent,
but you feel it because they're not earning it. They're like, look,
I'm getting my six percent. Oh okay, no matter what, gotcha.
So if you have to like order twenty four foods
before I bring you three just because we're playing this
(15:39):
little game of we.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Might have it, we might not. Why don't you ordered?
If find out?
Speaker 3 (15:46):
So you know, it's it's pluses and minuses, because the
whole tipping thing is it's stressful, especially if you don't
know local customs.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
But yeah, Michael, how was the food over there? Overall?
In England? Uh?
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Overall kind of good, not great, but once you realize
how to order and what to order, it's better. But yeah,
the Brits are not famous for food for a good reason.
If you say, hey, what's a great meal around here,
people will send you to an Italian restaurant or an
Indian restaurant for a good reason. But the other thing
(16:20):
about workers that I found interesting. We had a tour
guide at the British Museum who was just terrific. He
was a professor of history and he said, yeah, that
exhibit is shut down because there's just no employees.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
There's no one to work. I said, what, that's odd?
Speaker 3 (16:35):
He said, oh, yeah, since COVID, everybody stays home, they
live with their parents, they're collecting government checks.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
You can't get people to work. Wow.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
And I thought that was so interesting and exactly what
you hear from so many employers in the States. Yeah,
we had that conversation with my family in the Midwest
of the United States. I don't go to other countries
and give them my money. I stay in the United
States and I'm for you. But we had the same
conversation and how number of restaurants, including the one we
were at, was really they they weren't seating all the seats,
(17:08):
not because they were crowded, but because they didn't have
enough help. How is that still a thing? Yeah, I know,
it's amazing and universally universal. Apparently we need.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Transition music for this. When Michael, there we go.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
Everything you described, the difference between a beat and the grooves.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
There's the magic right here.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Listen to this for a minute. I'm telling you that
organ in the background under appreciative harder than it looks too. Oh,
it can come and go like love the groove? Are
you kidding?
Speaker 2 (18:00):
So?
Speaker 3 (18:00):
I think this is somewhat self explanatory. A woman trying
to sell her sneakers online and meets the guy. Anyway,
here's how it turns out.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
We had met up because I was going to sell
him my sneakers. He just wanted to sniff my feet.
And I didn't feel comfortable with that. I mean, you
could have my sneakers all you want. I mean, I
don't care. I'm not wearing them. You know, they're just
stinky old sneakers. But people like weird things. And I
met him down in the parking garage.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
He did a three.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
Point turn and actually hit me with a car ran
me over. I've met a lot of people who have
foot fetishes. Nobody has ever done anything to this caliber.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
A lot of questions here, y go ahead, this start.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
Oh geez, Now, maybe she has some of those, because
my son deals in the world of rare sneakers and
it's a thing, and people buy and sell them online
and they're worth hundreds of dollars. And but but I mean,
why was she selling your shoes on used shoes? Give
she was offered money so the dude could smell her
(19:09):
stinky old sneakers, Okay, And then he said, you know
it seems crazy.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Well, well I'm here, you mind if I just like
I go to the source?
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Well see exactly, You know, my dear, it strikes me,
as we're conversing here in this parking garage that it
seems odd to go to the second hand, if you
will the smell of your foot within your sneakers, when
your very feet are there at the end of your legs.
So perhaps I could, well, I don't know, sniff on
your feet here in this parking garage. And she said, Sea,
(19:41):
that is a bridge too far. I will sell you
my stinky ass snakers, but you'll not be sniffing on
my tutsis. So he says, well, fine, then let's agree
to disagree, and he walks over to his car, gets in,
does a three point turn. Yes, not a U turn,
a three point turn. Apparently the space was not wide
(20:02):
enough to allow a single turn. He does a three
point turn, comes back and hits her. How hard much
did he hit you? As you seem to be kind
of recounting this story in a jovial manner, as opposed
to lying on the cement going ah yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Something tells me it was a glancing blow.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
But a guy who was charged with aggravated battery, which
is good. Uh, after reviewing his background, and this is
the cops servated a battery is a full step worse
than jovial battery. Uh. He's been the subject of other
incidents involving the same modus operandi. So he buys you
(20:44):
sneakers online, and then every time he meets the person,
he says, so.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Whoa, I'm here's eliminate the middleman, right an aggressive scent? U?
What is the up charge for the the foot sniffing?
Speaker 3 (21:01):
So your belief is that she knew exactly why he
wanted the sneakers. She's one of those people that sells
her clothing for people to smell, which I find weird
and disgusting. But I wouldn't now lot between two consenting adults.
If you want to enjoy my soiled garments and are
willing to pay for me, that trade can happen well.
As usual in modern crappy crappy journalism, some of the
(21:24):
most obvious questions that immediately popped to mind evidently didn't
occur to this journalist. Like the lead says, she said
that blah blah blah told locals she met up with
this guy in order to sell them a pair of
used snakers. Okay, let's start right there. She's a petite female,
(21:47):
twenty eight year old dude, it's not going to be
wearing her snakers. Did at any point she asked, why
do you want to sell my buy my snakers. How
did he come to know she had sneakers to sell?
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Right?
Speaker 3 (21:59):
Okay, did she realize there was a quasi sexual dynamic
going on here? And merely, well, if you judged merely
by what she said, she just didn't want him sniffing
on her feet, but knew why he was buying the
stinky old snakers.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
People like weird things, she said.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Yeah, okay, it makes sense now because the part at
the end where she said, I I've met a lot
of people who like to smell feet, and I thought, okay,
I've not met any So how come you've met lots?
But that makes sense now you're saying that that's that's
what she's up to. Yeah, in that world. Yeah, okay,
(22:39):
so she might maybe this is profitable, Maybe I should
look into it. Maybe she goes to famous footwear, buys
discount shoes, wears them for a week, puts them on eBay,
and sells them.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
For a hundred bucks.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
That's entirely you've declared it a perversion, you know what.
I apologize for that, and I retract it to enthusiasts. Anyway,
here's here's another uh head scratcher for you. Try in
the middle of the article. The untrained eye wouldn't even
have noticed this jack. So but then she said things
(23:13):
got scary. She said, Uh, this guy whose name is
el Monsey, Circle of Southwest Miami Dade, Florida, man ran
out of the room. Wait a minute, what room room? Oh,
she met up with him at a hotel. Good idea
to sell him, used snake. That's a really good idea.
(23:36):
Knowing circle, knowing, we think that what it's what's all about.
So you're selling your sneakers to people that want to
smell your dirty sneakers and you're eating them privately. That's
a terrible idea, mailed them. Then she said things got scary.
She said, Circle of South ran out of the room
with what she thought were her shoes.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Okay, now that is very confusing.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
Everybody, including you folks, are all making the same Wait
what face? What she thought were her shoes? Did this
guy have like ten twelve pairs of women's shoes on him? Anyway,
she said, she ran after him to the parking area.
She's like, you gotta pay me for my shoes that
(24:23):
you sniff while you pleasure yourself. Otherwise it's theft. And
she's quite correct and she confronted dude, like was yelling
at him and chasing after him. That's when he got
into his suv, did a rapid three point turn and
actually hit her with his car as she was like
confronting him and yelling at him, which is obviously uncool.
(24:46):
But again again, you can be like America's leading seller
of shoes, undergarments, whatever the hell you want if somebody's
willing to buy him. I'm a capitalist, you go, girl,
But I think I the news consumer to deserve an explanation.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Okay, I need to look this up.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Perversion generally means a deviation from what's considered normal, natural,
or acceptable. Acceptable is the eye to beholder, but certainly
normal and natural, it would it would count as a perversion.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
I don't know. I might have to quibble with you there.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
There's one of the more striking things I ever read
as a young man, was pointing out the difference between
average and normal.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
How about natural? It's not natural. It's a value judgment.
It's not very entirely a value judgment.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Well, if one out of a million people are into it,
is that natural? I suppose it is natural? Yeah, it's
natural aberration. Yeah, if that's fairly consistent across time. The
ten percent of people are especially attracted to smells.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
I'm perfectly okay calling this guy a pervert. Well he's
a shoe thief.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Well maybe again, he ran out with what she believed
were her shoes.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
He just ran outig here with somebody's shoes. I believe
there must be mine.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
That is a odd story, and the reporters thinking, how
did I end up on this beat?
Speaker 2 (26:19):
All right? What are the details? Writing it down?
Speaker 3 (26:22):
How much college debt do I have from Columbia journalism school?
I was going to change this fascist, evil country and
teach people about the patriarchy and white supremacy. Here I
am reporting on pervo Jim here and Sally's stinky shoe
and her scam. Although again, you know if they're buying
(26:44):
sell that's what I say. Nobody's harmed.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
No, no, nobody harm.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
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Donald Trump at the Museum of the Bible making a
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among things in his speech which will lead Joe into
his Malcolm Gladwell story, I made the official policy of
the United States government that there are only two genders,
Trump said today, saying that men and women's sports isn't
an eighty twenty issue, it's a ninety seven to three issue.
(28:37):
Despite that, the fact that it's probably about a ninety
ten issue, people were so convinced that it was a
grenade you were stepping on. If you said anything about it,
people got their mouths shut for a long time, including
Malcolm Gladwell apparently.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Well, yeah, and it's worth observing that the.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Keeping dudes out of girls sports thing is still illegal
in some Blue states, including the most populous state in
the Union where she used to still just have to
announce you're a girl, and you can play girls sports
and beat the hell out of the girls, and with
the smile and nod and approval.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Of the left craziness.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
Anyway, it's worth pointing out that through the years, I
mean Malcolm Gladwell, he's written a bunch of like super
popular bestsellers, but of which I really liked.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Yeah, yeah, and yeah yeah. He pissed me off so much.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
I saw him participate in a debate and he like
inappropriately played the race card and the cancel culture card
in a couple of spots against Matt Tayebee and Douglas
Murray in ways that were just baffling and unfair. Yeah,
and I kind of soured on Gladwell. But as I
was starting to say, I mean, he's been called one
(29:59):
of the world's most one hundred most influential people by
Time back when that mattered. Foreign Policy Magazine ranked him
in its top one hundred global thinkers. Newsweek chose him
for the Top ten New Thought Leaders of the decade
a number of years ago. Tipping point huge bestseller, he
has seven New York Times bestsellers, twenty three million copies sold.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
His speaking fees are between.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
Two and three hundred thousand dollars to come and do
a speech, and as rich I'm sorry as Jim Gaherty
of the National Review pointed out, you'd have to look
hard to find a guy with a better, higher or
more stable perch in the American cultural elite than Gladwell.
(30:44):
And even this guy was afraid to say what he
really thought for fear of getting canceled, which is a
good point. So, you know, pity the poor employee at
some you know, West Coast, you know, corporation that's told
you have to believe this and say this, or we're
going to hound out of here.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
But anyway, what we're talking about is if you're a
teacher at a school, we're right.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
Oh my god, what a great example, because there's so
many great teachers of reasonable conscience who just have to
choke down their disgust with what they're being told to
teach and believe. But anyway, so Gladwell did this podcast,
the Real Science of Sport podcast, which is interesting but
(31:26):
I won't go off on a tangent to that, but
he and the moderator of the podcast had been on
a panel together. Malcolm was the moderator and Ross Tucker
is the other guy. Ross was on the panel as
being against guys playing in girls sports. And I'll just
pick up where Gladwell starts talking. Yeah, they stacked the panel.
(31:46):
They stacked against your Ross. They put a trans athlete
and a trans advocate and you on the panel, and
I was the moderator. And it was one of those
strange situations where my suspicion is that ninety percent of
the people in the audience were on your side, but
five percent of the audience was willing to admit it.
I've become fascinated with this concept of a preference falsification lately,
(32:09):
where forceful advocates for a minority position are so adamant
and bullying that everybody sits there silently, then looks around
themselves and says, well, I guess nobody else disagrees. I'm
in a very small minority because everybody's being quiet. But
as Gladwell now says, he thought ninety percent of the
(32:32):
audience was with Ross, but only five percent were willing
to admit it.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Let's see.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
Tucker says, My recollection of it is that everything I
said was met with deathly silence, and everything the other
two said got cheered. Sure, and Gladwell says, well, the cheers,
I mean. I think there was a hardcore of people
who are ideologically committed to the position, but the idea
that I mean, there's many interesting things to say about
that conversation. One was that it was a particular moment
(32:59):
which has passed. We did a replay of that exact
panel at the Sloan Conference in March and it ran
in exactly the opposite direction.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Wow, I the bloom is off the Rose thing on
that topic.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
Yeah, and then Gladwell says, and I think this is notable.
I just think it was strange. I mean I felt,
I mean the reason I'm ashamed of my performance that
should you should be ashamed? You should be actually ashamed. Yes, yes, yes,
whenever you're being a coward in the face of bullies
(33:35):
who are pushing a perverse and ugly ideology and you
don't stand up, Yes, you should be ashamed. Especially I
mean when you feel like you can't you realize I
get that, Especially when you're ungodly wealthy and the only
thing you're risking is the opinion of some nutjobs who
you think you're going to run into it a party.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
I mean, that is some weak tea right there. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
Gladwell, especially out of money, mentally ashamed. But here's what
he says. The reason I'm ashamed of my performance on
that panel is because I share your position one hundred percent,
and I was cowed the idea of saying anything on
this issue. I was in I believe in retrospect in
a dishonest way.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
I was. I was objective in a dishonest way.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
Well, a lot of the real howlers pass without comment
because I didn't.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
And I said you in an email.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
Of a Uh's a oh, and I he's talking about
Riley Gaines. They were trans athlete there. They were the
trans athlete down the panel, and at one point they
turned to you, Ross and they said, Ross, you have
to let us win. And it was at that moment
I realized this position is gone to the furthest extreme.
(34:44):
What the trans movement is not asking for. They're not
asking for, you know, a place at the table. They're
not asking to be treated with respect and dignity. What
they're asking for is that no one questioned the considerable
physical physiological advantage they bring to the sport, and no
one can question if they're going to win these races
by five seconds.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Suck it up. That's what they were asking right, So.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
There's no point in beating up on Malcolm Gladwell, Uh, really,
can we come on?
Speaker 5 (35:09):
It's good cardiovascular exercise. She let people like Riley Gaines
put their physical safety at risk by speaking what they
believed or JK. Rowlings sticking her neck out. You agreed
with them, But you're too big a freaking coward. And
you want to be able to go to cool New
(35:30):
York parties without anybody giving you the side eye that
you kept your mouth shut.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
I mean, that's so freaking weak. I'd be ashamed to
walk in public if I were that person. Yeah, Malcolm Gladwell,
you should be a shamed to be in public. I
mean seriously, that is so damn we You're ungodly rich,
you're as successful as you can get. You've got nothing
to lose, zero to lose by saying the truth. And
you still would too big a coward because well, I
(35:57):
want to be the cool guy at the party.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
God, that's so weak. But I don't want to talk
about that because there's no point.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
What the The interesting part that we should all take
to heart is that even at that level, people are
willing to go along with the crowd if it's just easier.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Yeah, even at that level. So if even at that level,
people are willing to go that.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
We have to We have to factor that into every
phenomenon that comes ever again in our lives, whether it's
climate change, of trends, or anything.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
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