September 25, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 3 of A&G features...
- Work place values of Gen Z
- Monkey Jobs
- Dallas ICE facility shooting & edge lords
- Smash & grab in the Bay Area
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio the George
Washington Broadcast Center. Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty, I'm Strong
and Jattie and he Armstrong and Yetty.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
The ads look real and appealing, but experts a beware
of apartment hunting on social media apps like Instagram and TikTok.
Many of these videos we found are posted by scammers,
impersonating real agents and manipulating realistics. Fraudsters repost videos on
bogus accounts claiming to have rents far below market rate,
(00:44):
all with the intents of luring potential renters to send
an application fee quickly before the deal disappears. A growing
scam according to FBI data.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
That'd be really easy to fall for. One of my
kids did once. Yeah, I get insidious.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
When I was looking for how and stuff like that,
both renting and buying. You had to jump on it
so fast I could easily. It's just luck that I didn't.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Do that right.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
And one design of these scams is you don't go
for the big ask. You get a huge number of people,
or you know, just a good number of people to
kick you twenty five bucks that's the application fee. Then
you move on to the next scam, or you send
out another wave of those emails. It doesn't cost you anything.
Change your you know, the address or PO PO box
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or whatever that he can Yeah, Insidia.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
Or there's old fashioned smash something with the hammer and
steel it. We need to talk about that big jewelry
robbery in the Bay Area. If you haven't seen that video,
that is wild.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Wow, a giant smash and grab crime in California.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
That's weird.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
But there's a twist this time, and the people are
going to be caught. It might be the end of
it for a while.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Good.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
So I have been slightly playfully teasing the question, is
gen Z unemployable? Which is a pretty provocative question, and
you know, here's your caveat. We've unemployable as a heck
of a term we have for a long time around here.
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Nothing yes, nothing you could do that anyone would pay
you to do. Not a single thing anyone can think of.
You are deemed unemployable. There's no job in the world
cut out for you.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
None, no task that someone would rather not do themselves
that you could be paid to do and accomplish it.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Just I'd rather have a trained monkey. No nay, an
untrained monkey than you, sir or madam.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
So anyway, we have long scoffed at the idea of
you know, making broad generalizations about generations.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
I mean, maybe something's.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
A little more common or not, but you know, the
cliches or cliches on the other Excuse me, I thought
this was so interesting. Susie Welch is the name of
this business school professor who is actually a fairly recent
rival to academia. She was in business for a very
long time, but she decided what she really wanted to
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know and study was the match and mismatch of generational values.
And she wanted to know how gen Z's values compared
with the values most prized by hiring managers, which is
an extremely relevant question when you're talking about getting a job.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
And the analysis.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
Work life balance and a vegan culture. Yeah, we want
some of who shows up and gets the work, oh boy.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
And the numbers that they came up with stunned even
the scientists. But first we need to explain exactly what
they did and how they did it.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
They helped students, but bah bah Bah.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Discover their purpose through collecting three data sets aptitudes economically
viable interests. And that stuff's pretty easy because you can
do that with widely available tests. Values are harder to
pin down, and they make an interesting point. One reason
is that most students confuse values with virtues. Values are
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choices about how we want to live and work, while
virtues are qualities that like everybody agrees are good, like
kindness or integrity.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
Okay, I think people often use the term value for
what you described as virtue.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
But that's fine, right, yeah, indeed, And they just had
to find a way to clarify that for the purposes
of this study. And I need a place where I
can bring my dog, my vegan dog, a vegan dog, right,
I have ready access to vegan doug fed.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
So another it.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Was hard to assess values to the most available tests
relied heavily on self reporting. And you don't need a
PhD to know that people were more complex than they
passed themselves off as. And then they describe and it's
not really worth the time to go into.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
They spent a lot of time in Trouble with.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
A team of data scientists, engineers, researchers, psychologists, etc. To
formulate a scientifically validated behaviorally based assessment tool called the
values bridge, and they identified I think it was sixteen
different values. And again it is outside the scope of
this segment to get into all of it, but you'll
get an idea. So the first step was to analyze
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generation these values. In first place is youdemonia, which is
a Greek term used to encompass the desire for self
care and personal pleasure self care. I want to take
care of myself and have fun. That's in first place,
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gen Z.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
My experience is people who use the term self care
spend way too much time with self care. That's just
my personal anecdotal evidence.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Agreed. Yeah, to quote the Great Americana band, the Drive
by Truckers, don't be so easy on yourself anyway. So
that's first place. You'd ammonia, which is, you know, self
care and pleasure. The next choice is what they called voice,
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a value that reflects the priority of person places on
expressing authentic individuality.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
I want to tell people who I am man.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
I never went out into the world thinking about that
at all when I needed a job.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
And the third third place that they gave a Latin
term non sibby, which is and forgive me, if you've
studied Latin then I'm slaughtering it. But it's a Latin
term meaning not for oneself, which is the desire to
help people. Fourth place is affluence, which is exactly as
it sounds, and fifth beholderism, a desire for things, including
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yourself to be beautiful. So in short, self care and pleasure,
telling people who I am helping other people, getting money,
and being surrounded and being beautiful and being surrounded by
beautiful things. They then surveyed, I feel like when I
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was younger, I my issues were will you hire me?
Speaker 4 (07:38):
Will you pay me? Will it be enough to pay
my rent? And my gas? And that was pretty much
where it ended.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
The Latin term roof over ahead of us was really
my eighest priority.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Not as car repossessed us.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
So then these scientists surveyed a couple of thousand of
experienced hiring managers in what they call knowledge industry roles,
that's roles that rely heavily on human capital as opposed
to being a machinist, and they asked employers to identify
the number one value they desired in their new employees.
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Achievement came in first. Obviously, it's the value of wanting
accomplishments and success other people can see. That value comes
in eleventh place for Generation Z. First place for hiring
managers eleventh place for gen Z, sixty one percent wish
they had less of it in their lives. Second place
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for the hiring managers was what they called scope, which
reflects the desire for learning, action and stimulation, doing stuff
and learning stuff. That ranks tenth for gen Z. Third
for hiring managers was work centrism, the desire to just
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be into the job, work for work's sake. It's no
surprise hiring managers would be looking for that makes sense.
But that's in ninth place for gen Z. And so
they then calculated how many gen Z respondents identified achievement,
scope and work centrism, that's the top three for the
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hiring managers. How many they identified those things in their
top five values, and it was two percent.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Two sounds like a bit of a mismatch.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
Then, Yeah, I was just thinking about some of the
jobs I've had. I mean, I've had some serious monkey jobs.
The most monkey job I had that would be a
job a monkey could do.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Yeah, I was just.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
Trying to apply that to these like criteria that some
of young people are wanting.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
I too, have.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Performed simian tasks for the for the record, the most
monkey Well. I was mentioning when I used to sort nails.
I think you could teach a monkey to sort nails
at a big hardware store after the weekend and where
a bunch of like dads came in and mixed up
the nails and the different sized nails things. I'd have
to sort them out on Monday and Tuesday.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
It's good work if you can get it.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
Make sure the nails this long are all one container
in the ones this longer in a different containder. So
a monkey could have learned to do that, but still
not as monkey ish as when I was in a
warehouse at the top of a like a pyramid of
boxes and a guy and there were different boxes of
different things, and a guy would come by and say,
I need the four of the tide boxes. And I'd
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find four tides and roll them down to the bottom.
I just pushed them off. I mean I didn't even
have to do anything. I was just pushing them off
and they would roll down and he would stack them.
I mean that was like, seriously, t The only reason
I was there is because there are no monkeys in Kansas.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
That's the only reason that I was doing that job.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
As opposed to a primate of some sort TMW trained
monkey work. That was so a monkey I remember sitting
up there thinking, I went to college.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
I think I'm kind of smart. For more of those boxes.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
I'd rolled down the boxes while I'm having these thoughts
doing big things.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Oh my god.
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Speaker 1 (12:24):
Listen, listen, Jack. We built a track.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
We've got a box with a banana underneath it and
a stick, but we've caught no monkeys, so we're gonna.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Need you through Friday. As soon as we got you
a monkey, we're gonna let you go.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
So obviously, when they presented these findings to the hiring managers,
they just slapped their foreheads and said, oh my god,
it's even worse than I thought. But then this scientist,
who Susie Welch is her name, I think, Yeah, Susie Welch,
She says, I've also shared the data with my students.
Statistically speaking, my MBA students have a higher incidents of
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achievement in the general population, but the reception was one
of definite unease.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Given the tenuous job market.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
The last thing they wanted to hear as a professor saying,
and virtually.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
None of you have the values companies want.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Anyway, I still I say it not to provoke, because
this is the data My students should know. Values, after all,
are like choices. Like all choices, they have consequences. This
message had often met with the pushback that businesses need
to change, businesses need to change. What is a focus
on achievement gotten us young people but anxiety? And who
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wants a life of scope with action and stimulation when
the world is already unstable. She says, Maybe they're right,
Maybe businesses will change someday when gen Z is in charge,
But right now the marketplace faces a values disconnect between
generations that could reshape the future of work.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Yeah, it's interesting, though.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
There was much less anxiety in a world where look,
your boss doesn't give a crap about you. They just
need somebody that's going to do the job, do what
they tell you to where they're going to fire you.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
And there was lower anxiety back then. Well, and we're
going to go out after work and have a couple
of beers. Go ahead, Katie.
Speaker 5 (14:01):
Yeah, Well, we now have a generation that expects your
boss to care and now work life balance, br bring
your opinions to work that sport of thing.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
Lower your damn expectations. It's you'll be less anxious that way.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Expect nothing. That's my motto.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
What was your monkey job? Text line four one five
two nine five KFTC. I mean when I worked at
UPS stacking boxes, uh, unloading boxes?
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Was I stacking them around?
Speaker 4 (14:31):
I was loading them into the back of a rail car.
That was kind of a monkey job, but not as
monkey a job as when I was on a top
of a big stack of boxes rolling them down to people.
That was really a monkey job. What was your monkey job?
We got a couple of texts about that. One of
my many monkey jobs in my post college young adulthood
was sweeping dead tarantulas out of the company's warehouse and
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conquered that a regular thing monkey job. Running out to
pump gas when the bell went ding as cars ran
over the little hose by the gas bumps ah, And
I'd be pretty you'd have to have a pretty smart
monkey to do that. I used to water plants at
a nursery all day. That's pretty monkey, that's pretty monkey.
You just walk around with the watering can.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
Yeah, monkey, robots, yeah, rainstorm, yeah yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
I remember my uncle saying to me when I was
grown up and semi successful, My uncle Carl said, uh, so,
when was the low point?
Speaker 1 (15:28):
And I said, what he said? When was the low point?
He said, my low point was I was. I was.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
I was working in a on cars and uh trains,
train cars, and I'd have to climb up on top
of these boxes. I forget what he had to do.
He had to be in the dark, up on top.
He said, that was my low point. What was your
low point? And I said, oh, okay, And then I
had to mention my couple, my short little area of
a couple of jobs. But I think his point was
everybody has that point where you're doing some really crappy
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job and thinking I can do better than that, and
you either try harder to find a better job or
improve your situation by going to school or getting a
skill or something.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Yeah, Katie, low point.
Speaker 5 (16:09):
Uh monkey job was having to stand in the milk
box at a grocery store and just push all of
the dairy forwards, so it was forward facing the customers.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (16:19):
I would make it fun though, because when a customer
would come.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
By, go my god.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
Yeah, fronting shelves, I've done that. That's a pretty monkey job.
I've done a lot of that myself.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Yeah, you know, I was thinking about the anxiety thing.
My low point actually a couple of good choices. But
when our job went sideways in Charlotte many years ago,
and I had two babies, and no, gig, I don't
I wasn't anxious. I was highly concerned. But I know
what anxiety is, and I know how that differs from
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like a serious high level of concern.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
And I don't know.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Maybe our generation is the perfect test case for what's
causing all the modern anxiety. And I firmly believe it's
screen oriented. There was its constant, never ending input were
not built for it.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Causation and what do you call that causation? Correlation?
Speaker 4 (17:20):
Yeah, they don't always fit together like this, but there's
no doubt that these two things are true. There's more
anxiety now and the workplace is much softer now. Employers
were way harsher back in the day, and we had much, much,
much less anxiety doesn't mean those things go together at all,
but those two things are definitely true.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Yeah, it has a lot to do with expectation and experience, obviously,
the whole free range parenting thing. I mean you look
at a Gen X kid for instance. We had so
much freedom. We had run into frequently caused and then
cured so much trouble. Sobody, you know, getting lost, somebody
screwing up and getting yelled at and all it. We
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had so much independence we came into adulthood with like
I can handle us.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
That's an incredible gift to give a kid.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
Or at the very least it wasn't your first encounter
with the slightest difficulty, right sure in the workplace, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
We got a lot more on the way.
Speaker 6 (18:18):
Stay with us, Armstrong and Getty.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
The focus of the investigation is is he connected to
others or a particular movement given the anti ICE literally
statement written on the bullet and the targeting.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
Yeah, you're probably aware of this job who then killed himself,
who shot at ICE agents, not wounding any ICE agents
or killing anybody, thank god, Although he wounded some UH
immigrants that had been detained.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
He killed at least one, right.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
Yeah, yeah, but he had written anti ice on his bullets,
so that seems to be his Wow, it was his
motive at the time. The thing we wanted to get
into is Joe and I both came across this podcast
with an interview with the guy who's done extensive research
on the people that pull off these high profile shootings,
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whether it's a school shooting, workplace shooting, at political attack,
or whatever. And one of the common threads, and this
isn't universal, nothing's universal, but one of the common threads
it seems to be is they're suicidal more than anything else.
You go back and you start researching their you start
looking at their Google searches or what they were saying
to friends. They were suicidal. Then they decided how to
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make that suicide spectacular, whether it's going to school and
shooting people or picking a political target or whatever it is.
So the suicide is the point for a lot of
these people, and it certainly could be the case with
this person. This person wanted to die, was perfectly happy
with killing themselves for whatever reason, but they had to,
for weird psychology reasons, had to attach it to a
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bigger cause to make it meaning full somehow, Well, and.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
They want their death to be noted in people to
talk about it, partly because of the ever present desire
for fame among young people these days, or all of us.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
I've had it.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
I think we've all experienced a little bit of the
if I don't post this, it doesn't matter phenomenon. And
I resist it because it's sick, But just a little
bit of the Here I am at this beautiful education spot,
or here's my kid, you know, having their first whatever,
and you feel like I gotta post it or have
other people see it and like it for some reason,
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it's weird.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Well, suicides have become the same sort of thing.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
Yeah, this is going to sound perverse and sick, but
think about it for a minute. I want to kill
myself and I want to get lots and lots of
likes for it. In essence, and one of the ways
you raise the profile. I mean, you die alone in
your bathtub or whatever, it will be not noted by
anybody but those very close to you. If you can
take one to fifty people out with you, then your
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suicide will be noted worldwide.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
It's it's horrible, but it's true.
Speaker 7 (21:07):
It.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
Imagine how incredibly sad and lonely, A just by yourself
at your house suicide is right, and this guy knew
that he was going to be the president, would talk
about it.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
It would make the national news by doing this. Yeah, yeah,
you know, it's funny. It just popped into my head.
One of the saddest song lyrics I think that's ever
been written by Paul McCartney in this case in eleanor
Rigby was about how she died along with her name,
and nobody came to the memorial service, which is what
people want to avoid now. The other aspect of what
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this expert was talking about in the podcast Jack Reference
is that so many of these ideological shooters, and this
anti ice guy is a perfect example of this, they
didn't really have developed political opinions at all until like
really really recently, and they seem to be just looking
for something to tie their act of violence and death too.
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They're often Johnnies come lately. They didn't spend years in
the trenches, you know, registering voters and writing speeches and
going to marches and you know all of that stuff. No,
they just they're like nobody knew him as political at all.
This twenty nine year old guy who shot into the
ice facility and for God's sake.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Killed some immigrants.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
Several people who knew him since at least middle school
spoke their accounts being the picture of someone who was
with a vaguely libertarian bent, who despised both major parties
and politicians generally including Trump, but who didn't engage with
politics beyond that. He preferred edgy humor, video games, and
the message board four Chan, all of which he became
increasingly steeped in as he withdrew from social life as
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well as his real friendships several years ago.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Yeah, I am. I'm pretty convinced that.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
So the the scumbag who murdered Charlie Kirk, he didn't
kill himself and certainly didn't put in himself in a
situation where the cops would kill him. So that's a
different thing. But a lot of these, the ones where
they end up dead, That makes perfect sense to me
looking back at it over the years. The suicide was
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the point. The anger at your classmates wasn't the point,
the you know, anger at your boss, your whatever it is.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
You want to kill yourself and you needed it to be.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
Somehow more meaningful, which is a sad sick state, which
makes it all the more important that we don't engage
in the sort of violent rhetoric that can give people
a target for their suicidal intentions. There's a poll out
like just now, that's heartening. This is a you gov poll,
much better news than the pole A lot of us
were citing a week or so ago. But do you
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support It's a lot of it has to do with
how you ask the question, but it is do you
support partisan murder?
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Nobody does?
Speaker 4 (24:08):
You can call it nobody because it's less than one
percent of Democrats, Independents, Republicans overall, whoever you want to ask.
It's less than one percent support partisan murder. Happy to
see that, now pull it well.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
That is an enormously different result than do you think
political violence is sometimes justified?
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (24:30):
I don't know if it's because violence you're picturing something
short of murder or what? But yeah, how serious a
problem do you think political violence is?
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Today?
Speaker 4 (24:41):
Ninety three percent of us think it's somewhat or very serious,
So practically all of us think it's serious. If you
don't think it's serious, you are a nut job or something.
And finally, do you think the way people talk about
politics these days is contributing to violence eighty two percent. Yes,
the rest of you are wrong, especially given what we
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just said.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
People out there who are.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
Suicidal ish, now you give them something to hang on
to with your This is you know, the new Hitler
or their Nazis or the worst thing that's ever happened
in the history of everything, right.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
Which will get you more headlines and more likes, as
it were for your crime or your suicide. This getting
back to the anti Ice guy and this you know,
this is a bit of a winding road, but hang
with us. None of his former friends believed that the
anti Ice inscription could possibly be sincere feeling such a
serious political statement was anathema to who this guy was.
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His humor was deeply ironic, often offensive, and aggressive to
the point of alienation.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Quote.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
He was most certainly an edge lord, an irony guy.
You're familiar with the term edge lord. I'm not somebody
who shoots off their mouth with edgy like, nihilistic offensive
views on purpose. Asked about the inscription on the bullet,
a friend said, Josh was an edge lord who wanted
to get someone blamed. I think he tried his best
to write something goofy to rile people up. Another showed
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him a Facebook post describing how this man young man
had flooded his friend's comments section with rape jokes. Really
really like to provoke people in kind of a nihilistic way,
and that reminds me of a piece in the Free
Press that I was going to get into at some point.
But of a nihilist is or do you say nihilist
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is the best way to describe it. This online community
of mostly males who are so full of apathy and hate.
They just try to recruit people to this cynical, hateful attitude,
and as a hobby they try to convince people to
hurt themselves online, or they black blackmail lomb or try
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to tempt them into suicide. And it's just yet another
example of that's a one in fifty thousand, twisted six
psychopath and if you go online you can find seven
hundred and fifty of them by this afternoon.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
Yeah, once again, I don't know how humanity handles this
ability for all the craziest of us to all get
together and convince each other that they're part of a movement.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Right, Yeah, can humanity deal with the Internet? Well, I'll
tell you what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
The answers No, But if humanity is my favorite football team,
we're down forty five nothing and I haven't seen any
real sign of us fighting back.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
I don't know if it landed the same way with
you all. But I will look at a lot of these,
all different kinds of shootings differently now that it makes
sense to me. This suicide was the point, and they
lately came to the reason, needing just right to make
their life their death not so incredibly nothing. Also, that
(28:07):
idea that people aren't upset about a cause because they've
been butting their banging their head against the wall of
immigration rules or divorce laws or whatever it is you
got for years, and you just finally snapped, that is
not at all what happens.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Right right, And just one more note, and then we
will give you the delicious dessert of humor, the idea
that I'm not an alienated sad sack who just decided
not to live anymore. I'm a brave revolutionary committing the
ultimate violation of human norms to make a point. I'm
an exciting, dangerous figure. How much going on in their heads,
(28:49):
and you can tell how much easier is that to swallow?
Then I'm just a sad person with no friends, alone
in their apartment.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Nobody will even notice.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
I mean that's hard to swallow, right, indeed, wow, have
you well? Do we have transition music?
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So this guy's name is Sean Farache Ferish Farash. He's
a Trump imitator.
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Speaker 7 (29:56):
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hear me say, oh, Donald Trump likes to breathe, you know,
Wills breathed Hitler, and they're gonna hold their breath.
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Speaker 1 (30:24):
That is a really good Trump impersonation. Yeah, it is.
In a funny bit. You will breathe the Hitler, so
people are holding their breath. Oh my god, that's funny.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
Got to tell you about this smash and grab in
the San Francisco Bay area of a jewelry store while
the details on it or something. If you haven't seen
the video, we're gonna have it at Armstrong and geddy
dot com.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Stay tuned, hey, getdy.
Speaker 5 (30:49):
Alright to a new report from the Wall Street Journal,
toxic fumes are leaking into airplanes and making passengers and
crews sick.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Though if you're.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
Flying Spirit, they're happy to crack a window.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Poor Spirit Airline.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
Around the country, you've probably seen videos of the smash
and grab crimes in California over the last couple of years.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
When we smash, smash somash.
Speaker 4 (31:15):
When we grab, we decriminalized crime and it just kind
of was a, you know, a nod to everybody that
it's free, rein to take whatever you want, anytime you want.
And some of these are really well orchestrated in a
high level, like these jewelry store smashing grabs, And there
was one the other day with a twist at the end.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Here.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
This is slightly different than the ones you've heard about recently,
and the video is amazing. There's thirty dudes, thirty wild
video shows a huge mob of masked, black clad thiebs
storming a San Ramon that's the San Francisco Bay Area
jewelry store, making off with a million dollars in jewels
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in just a couple of minutes.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Thirty crooks.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
As they ran up to the store in broad daylight Monday,
they used crowbars and pickaxes to smash the display cases
and snatch jewelry, then shop their way out when a
security door automatically tried to lock them inside.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
It was a glass door, so they just shot it.
Speaker 4 (32:11):
When they went in, they just took over the store,
grabbed whatever jewelry was available.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
I saw him pointing guns at the workers too.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
The raid was likely planned days in advance, police said,
as the suspects arrived in six separate vehicles. That's some
coordination there, parked in the valet area one hundred feet
from the store, and then the thirty people ran in
and smashed it all up. But here's the different thing
that happened. Cops were able to get footage of the
suspects in their vehicles using a drone funded by an
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organized retail theft grant.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
So they got drones in the air, got all the.
Speaker 4 (32:50):
Vehicles, what the vehicles look like, the license plates, you know,
they were all masked, but you got at least some
idea of what the people look like. They've already arrested
seven suspects because of the drone footage, so which will
lead them to the other suspects almost surrounding Yeah?
Speaker 3 (33:08):
Probably, Uh, this is exactly what we were talking about
the other day, the upside of a surveillance state.
Speaker 4 (33:15):
I was about to say that, yeah, you have a
surveillance state like they've already got in New York City
where everything is on camera all the time from multiple angles,
your face, your license plate, everything, and it's all coordinated
into various computers that compile it all together. It's kind
of like the social credit score thing they do in China.
They're doing in New York City. But anyway, the upside
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is you're gonna catch these guys.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
Right.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
As a civil libertarian, what really interests me in troubles
me is the idea that maybe in the second half
of the twentieth century, this stuff seemed anathema. I was
disgusting the very idea of a surveillance state because it
wasn't needed. We had, you know, coherent laws, crime got punishment,
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our morals are more raised as a society, we're pretty
unified against this sort of thing, and so we didn't
need it. But we've let the bad guys get worse
and worse and run rampant, and so now we need
to quote unquote need to enact these draconian surveillance.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
And it's the history of the world. Emergencies lead to
crackdowns of various kinds, and they stay in place forever,
long past the emergency nine to eleven is how we
got license plate readers. I think nobody ever voted on
that It's never been an issue anywhere. Do we like
the idea of the government going around and reading license
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plates so they know where your car is all the time.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
No, but it happened. It just happened.
Speaker 4 (34:46):
The point of the New York Times article about New
York as a surveillance state is none of this stuff
has been discussed or voted on.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
None of it.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
It just happened, just executive fiat and yeah, a little
by little with each and every emergency, and you got
to smash and grab emergencies. Okay, let's get a drone
in the air, so now everybody's tracked all the time.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
I can show your soul's desire for freedom.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
That's a good idea, Thank you Chinese drone lady. It's
a fine suggestion.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
This will come back to bite us at some point, though,
when whoever decides, you know, the Tea Party, they're a
dangerous group. We better keep an eye on where they go.
Oh yeah, for whatever political reason. Yeah, that reminds me,
maybe we can pay this off next hour. A long
list of prominent Democrats who made the Jimmy Kimmel incident
(35:35):
look like you know, paddy cake in terms of government
pressure and censorship. They were fully in favor of it,
proudly in favor of it, about five minutes ago, and
now they're beating their chests and tearing their garments and
saying how it's terrible and then threatens the constitution. Good Lord,
you can't be cynical enough these days. We'll have to
(35:57):
delve into this breaking news that Amazon has reached and
his historic two point five billion dollar settlement with the
FTC because they had been tricking people into signing up
for their Prime memberships. Oh, that's the biggest settlement ever.
So I want to know more of the details on that.
Did I get tricked? I have a Prime membership?
Speaker 3 (36:15):
Maybe i've been Plus, will profile the twenty nine year
old woman who's the world's most famous bagpiper. No, no,
we won't, but she is. I'll bet I know who
she is. I think I've seen her on YouTube videos.
I'm probably playing freebird. Yeah yeah, well, sir.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Interesting.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
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The ads look real and appealing, but experts a beware
of apartment hunting on social media apps like Instagram and TikTok.
Many of these videos we found are posted by scammers,
impersonating real agents and manipulating realistics. Fraudsters repost videos on
bogus accounts claiming to have rents far below market rate,
(00:44):
all with the intents of luring potential renters to send
an application fee quickly before the deal disappears. A growing
scam according to FBI data.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
That'd be really easy to fall for. One of my
kids did once. Yeah, I get insidious.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
When I was looking for how and stuff like that,
both renting and buying. You had to jump on it
so fast I could easily. It's just luck that I didn't.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Do that right.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
And one design of these scams is you don't go
for the big ask. You get a huge number of people,
or you know, just a good number of people to
kick you twenty five bucks that's the application fee. Then
you move on to the next scam, or you send
out another wave of those emails. It doesn't cost you anything.
Change your you know, the address or PO PO box
(01:31):
or whatever that he can Yeah, Insidia.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
Or there's old fashioned smash something with the hammer and
steel it. We need to talk about that big jewelry
robbery in the Bay Area. If you haven't seen that video,
that is wild.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Wow, a giant smash and grab crime in California.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
That's weird.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
But there's a twist this time, and the people are
going to be caught. It might be the end of
it for a while.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Good.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
So I have been slightly playfully teasing the question, is
gen Z unemployable? Which is a pretty provocative question, and
you know, here's your caveat. We've unemployable as a heck
of a term we have for a long time around here.
(02:13):
Nothing yes, nothing you could do that anyone would pay
you to do. Not a single thing anyone can think of.
You are deemed unemployable. There's no job in the world
cut out for you.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
None, no task that someone would rather not do themselves
that you could be paid to do and accomplish it.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Just I'd rather have a trained monkey. No nay, an
untrained monkey than you, sir or madam.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
So anyway, we have long scoffed at the idea of
you know, making broad generalizations about generations.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
I mean, maybe something's.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
A little more common or not, but you know, the
cliches or cliches on the other Excuse me, I thought
this was so interesting. Susie Welch is the name of
this business school professor who is actually a fairly recent
rival to academia. She was in business for a very
long time, but she decided what she really wanted to
(03:11):
know and study was the match and mismatch of generational values.
And she wanted to know how gen Z's values compared
with the values most prized by hiring managers, which is
an extremely relevant question when you're talking about getting a job.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
And the analysis.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
Work life balance and a vegan culture. Yeah, we want
some of who shows up and gets the work, oh boy.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
And the numbers that they came up with stunned even
the scientists. But first we need to explain exactly what
they did and how they did it.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
They helped students, but bah bah Bah.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Discover their purpose through collecting three data sets aptitudes economically
viable interests. And that stuff's pretty easy because you can
do that with widely available tests. Values are harder to
pin down, and they make an interesting point. One reason
is that most students confuse values with virtues. Values are
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choices about how we want to live and work, while
virtues are qualities that like everybody agrees are good, like
kindness or integrity.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
Okay, I think people often use the term value for
what you described as virtue.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
But that's fine, right, yeah, indeed, And they just had
to find a way to clarify that for the purposes
of this study. And I need a place where I
can bring my dog, my vegan dog, a vegan dog, right,
I have ready access to vegan doug fed.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
So another it.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Was hard to assess values to the most available tests
relied heavily on self reporting. And you don't need a
PhD to know that people were more complex than they
passed themselves off as. And then they describe and it's
not really worth the time to go into.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
They spent a lot of time in Trouble with.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
A team of data scientists, engineers, researchers, psychologists, etc. To
formulate a scientifically validated behaviorally based assessment tool called the
values bridge, and they identified I think it was sixteen
different values. And again it is outside the scope of
this segment to get into all of it, but you'll
get an idea. So the first step was to analyze
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generation these values. In first place is youdemonia, which is
a Greek term used to encompass the desire for self
care and personal pleasure self care. I want to take
care of myself and have fun. That's in first place,
(06:01):
gen Z.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
My experience is people who use the term self care
spend way too much time with self care. That's just
my personal anecdotal evidence.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Agreed. Yeah, to quote the Great Americana band, the Drive
by Truckers, don't be so easy on yourself anyway. So
that's first place. You'd ammonia, which is, you know, self
care and pleasure. The next choice is what they called voice,
(06:33):
a value that reflects the priority of person places on
expressing authentic individuality.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
I want to tell people who I am man.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
I never went out into the world thinking about that
at all when I needed a job.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
And the third third place that they gave a Latin
term non sibby, which is and forgive me, if you've
studied Latin then I'm slaughtering it. But it's a Latin
term meaning not for oneself, which is the desire to
help people. Fourth place is affluence, which is exactly as
it sounds, and fifth beholderism, a desire for things, including
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yourself to be beautiful. So in short, self care and pleasure,
telling people who I am helping other people, getting money,
and being surrounded and being beautiful and being surrounded by
beautiful things. They then surveyed, I feel like when I
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was younger, I my issues were will you hire me?
Speaker 4 (07:38):
Will you pay me? Will it be enough to pay
my rent? And my gas? And that was pretty much
where it ended.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
The Latin term roof over ahead of us was really
my eighest priority.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Not as car repossessed us.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
So then these scientists surveyed a couple of thousand of
experienced hiring managers in what they call knowledge industry roles,
that's roles that rely heavily on human capital as opposed
to being a machinist, and they asked employers to identify
the number one value they desired in their new employees.
(08:16):
Achievement came in first. Obviously, it's the value of wanting
accomplishments and success other people can see. That value comes
in eleventh place for Generation Z. First place for hiring
managers eleventh place for gen Z, sixty one percent wish
they had less of it in their lives. Second place
(08:38):
for the hiring managers was what they called scope, which
reflects the desire for learning, action and stimulation, doing stuff
and learning stuff. That ranks tenth for gen Z. Third
for hiring managers was work centrism, the desire to just
(08:59):
be into the job, work for work's sake. It's no
surprise hiring managers would be looking for that makes sense.
But that's in ninth place for gen Z. And so
they then calculated how many gen Z respondents identified achievement,
scope and work centrism, that's the top three for the
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hiring managers. How many they identified those things in their
top five values, and it was two percent.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Two sounds like a bit of a mismatch.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
Then, Yeah, I was just thinking about some of the
jobs I've had. I mean, I've had some serious monkey jobs.
The most monkey job I had that would be a
job a monkey could do.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Yeah, I was just.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
Trying to apply that to these like criteria that some
of young people are wanting.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
I too, have.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Performed simian tasks for the for the record, the most
monkey Well. I was mentioning when I used to sort nails.
I think you could teach a monkey to sort nails
at a big hardware store after the weekend and where
a bunch of like dads came in and mixed up
the nails and the different sized nails things. I'd have
to sort them out on Monday and Tuesday.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
It's good work if you can get it.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
Make sure the nails this long are all one container
in the ones this longer in a different containder. So
a monkey could have learned to do that, but still
not as monkey ish as when I was in a
warehouse at the top of a like a pyramid of
boxes and a guy and there were different boxes of
different things, and a guy would come by and say,
I need the four of the tide boxes. And I'd
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find four tides and roll them down to the bottom.
I just pushed them off. I mean I didn't even
have to do anything. I was just pushing them off
and they would roll down and he would stack them.
I mean that was like, seriously, t The only reason
I was there is because there are no monkeys in Kansas.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
That's the only reason that I was doing that job.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
As opposed to a primate of some sort TMW trained
monkey work. That was so a monkey I remember sitting
up there thinking, I went to college.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
I think I'm kind of smart. For more of those boxes.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
I'd rolled down the boxes while I'm having these thoughts
doing big things.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Oh my god.
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Speaker 1 (12:24):
Listen, listen, Jack. We built a track.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
We've got a box with a banana underneath it and
a stick, but we've caught no monkeys, so we're gonna.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Need you through Friday. As soon as we got you
a monkey, we're gonna let you go.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
So obviously, when they presented these findings to the hiring managers,
they just slapped their foreheads and said, oh my god,
it's even worse than I thought. But then this scientist,
who Susie Welch is her name, I think, Yeah, Susie Welch,
She says, I've also shared the data with my students.
Statistically speaking, my MBA students have a higher incidents of
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achievement in the general population, but the reception was one
of definite unease.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Given the tenuous job market.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
The last thing they wanted to hear as a professor saying,
and virtually.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
None of you have the values companies want.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Anyway, I still I say it not to provoke, because
this is the data My students should know. Values, after all,
are like choices. Like all choices, they have consequences. This
message had often met with the pushback that businesses need
to change, businesses need to change. What is a focus
on achievement gotten us young people but anxiety? And who
(13:29):
wants a life of scope with action and stimulation when
the world is already unstable. She says, Maybe they're right,
Maybe businesses will change someday when gen Z is in charge,
But right now the marketplace faces a values disconnect between
generations that could reshape the future of work.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Yeah, it's interesting, though.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
There was much less anxiety in a world where look,
your boss doesn't give a crap about you. They just
need somebody that's going to do the job, do what
they tell you to where they're going to fire you.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
And there was lower anxiety back then. Well, and we're
going to go out after work and have a couple
of beers. Go ahead, Katie.
Speaker 5 (14:01):
Yeah, Well, we now have a generation that expects your
boss to care and now work life balance, br bring
your opinions to work that sport of thing.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
Lower your damn expectations. It's you'll be less anxious that way.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Expect nothing. That's my motto.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
What was your monkey job? Text line four one five
two nine five KFTC. I mean when I worked at
UPS stacking boxes, uh, unloading boxes?
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Was I stacking them around?
Speaker 4 (14:31):
I was loading them into the back of a rail car.
That was kind of a monkey job, but not as
monkey a job as when I was on a top
of a big stack of boxes rolling them down to people.
That was really a monkey job. What was your monkey job?
We got a couple of texts about that. One of
my many monkey jobs in my post college young adulthood
was sweeping dead tarantulas out of the company's warehouse and
(14:53):
conquered that a regular thing monkey job. Running out to
pump gas when the bell went ding as cars ran
over the little hose by the gas bumps ah, And
I'd be pretty you'd have to have a pretty smart
monkey to do that. I used to water plants at
a nursery all day. That's pretty monkey, that's pretty monkey.
You just walk around with the watering can.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
Yeah, monkey, robots, yeah, rainstorm, yeah yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
I remember my uncle saying to me when I was
grown up and semi successful, My uncle Carl said, uh, so,
when was the low point?
Speaker 1 (15:28):
And I said, what he said? When was the low point?
He said, my low point was I was. I was.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
I was working in a on cars and uh trains,
train cars, and I'd have to climb up on top
of these boxes. I forget what he had to do.
He had to be in the dark, up on top.
He said, that was my low point. What was your
low point? And I said, oh, okay, And then I
had to mention my couple, my short little area of
a couple of jobs. But I think his point was
everybody has that point where you're doing some really crappy
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job and thinking I can do better than that, and
you either try harder to find a better job or
improve your situation by going to school or getting a
skill or something.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Yeah, Katie, low point.
Speaker 5 (16:09):
Uh monkey job was having to stand in the milk
box at a grocery store and just push all of
the dairy forwards, so it was forward facing the customers.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (16:19):
I would make it fun though, because when a customer
would come.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
By, go my god.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
Yeah, fronting shelves, I've done that. That's a pretty monkey job.
I've done a lot of that myself.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Yeah, you know, I was thinking about the anxiety thing.
My low point actually a couple of good choices. But
when our job went sideways in Charlotte many years ago,
and I had two babies, and no, gig, I don't
I wasn't anxious. I was highly concerned. But I know
what anxiety is, and I know how that differs from
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like a serious high level of concern.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
And I don't know.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Maybe our generation is the perfect test case for what's
causing all the modern anxiety. And I firmly believe it's
screen oriented. There was its constant, never ending input were
not built for it.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Causation and what do you call that causation? Correlation?
Speaker 4 (17:20):
Yeah, they don't always fit together like this, but there's
no doubt that these two things are true. There's more
anxiety now and the workplace is much softer now. Employers
were way harsher back in the day, and we had much, much,
much less anxiety doesn't mean those things go together at all,
but those two things are definitely true.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Yeah, it has a lot to do with expectation and experience, obviously,
the whole free range parenting thing. I mean you look
at a Gen X kid for instance. We had so
much freedom. We had run into frequently caused and then
cured so much trouble. Sobody, you know, getting lost, somebody
screwing up and getting yelled at and all it. We
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had so much independence we came into adulthood with like
I can handle us.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
That's an incredible gift to give a kid.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
Or at the very least it wasn't your first encounter
with the slightest difficulty, right sure in the workplace, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
We got a lot more on the way.
Speaker 6 (18:18):
Stay with us, Armstrong and Getty.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
The focus of the investigation is is he connected to
others or a particular movement given the anti ICE literally
statement written on the bullet and the targeting.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
Yeah, you're probably aware of this job who then killed himself,
who shot at ICE agents, not wounding any ICE agents
or killing anybody, thank god, Although he wounded some UH
immigrants that had been detained.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
He killed at least one, right.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
Yeah, yeah, but he had written anti ice on his bullets,
so that seems to be his Wow, it was his
motive at the time. The thing we wanted to get
into is Joe and I both came across this podcast
with an interview with the guy who's done extensive research
on the people that pull off these high profile shootings,
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whether it's a school shooting, workplace shooting, at political attack,
or whatever. And one of the common threads, and this
isn't universal, nothing's universal, but one of the common threads
it seems to be is they're suicidal more than anything else.
You go back and you start researching their you start
looking at their Google searches or what they were saying
to friends. They were suicidal. Then they decided how to
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make that suicide spectacular, whether it's going to school and
shooting people or picking a political target or whatever it is.
So the suicide is the point for a lot of
these people, and it certainly could be the case with
this person. This person wanted to die, was perfectly happy
with killing themselves for whatever reason, but they had to,
for weird psychology reasons, had to attach it to a
(19:58):
bigger cause to make it meaning full somehow, Well, and.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
They want their death to be noted in people to
talk about it, partly because of the ever present desire
for fame among young people these days, or all of us.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
I've had it.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
I think we've all experienced a little bit of the
if I don't post this, it doesn't matter phenomenon. And
I resist it because it's sick, But just a little
bit of the Here I am at this beautiful education spot,
or here's my kid, you know, having their first whatever,
and you feel like I gotta post it or have
other people see it and like it for some reason,
(20:32):
it's weird.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Well, suicides have become the same sort of thing.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
Yeah, this is going to sound perverse and sick, but
think about it for a minute. I want to kill
myself and I want to get lots and lots of
likes for it. In essence, and one of the ways
you raise the profile. I mean, you die alone in
your bathtub or whatever, it will be not noted by
anybody but those very close to you. If you can
take one to fifty people out with you, then your
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suicide will be noted worldwide.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
It's it's horrible, but it's true.
Speaker 7 (21:07):
It.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
Imagine how incredibly sad and lonely, A just by yourself
at your house suicide is right, and this guy knew
that he was going to be the president, would talk
about it.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
It would make the national news by doing this. Yeah, yeah,
you know, it's funny. It just popped into my head.
One of the saddest song lyrics I think that's ever
been written by Paul McCartney in this case in eleanor
Rigby was about how she died along with her name,
and nobody came to the memorial service, which is what
people want to avoid now. The other aspect of what
(21:48):
this expert was talking about in the podcast Jack Reference
is that so many of these ideological shooters, and this
anti ice guy is a perfect example of this, they
didn't really have developed political opinions at all until like
really really recently, and they seem to be just looking
for something to tie their act of violence and death too.
(22:13):
They're often Johnnies come lately. They didn't spend years in
the trenches, you know, registering voters and writing speeches and
going to marches and you know all of that stuff. No,
they just they're like nobody knew him as political at all.
This twenty nine year old guy who shot into the
ice facility and for God's sake.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Killed some immigrants.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
Several people who knew him since at least middle school
spoke their accounts being the picture of someone who was
with a vaguely libertarian bent, who despised both major parties
and politicians generally including Trump, but who didn't engage with
politics beyond that. He preferred edgy humor, video games, and
the message board four Chan, all of which he became
increasingly steeped in as he withdrew from social life as
(22:59):
well as his real friendships several years ago.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Yeah, I am. I'm pretty convinced that.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
So the the scumbag who murdered Charlie Kirk, he didn't
kill himself and certainly didn't put in himself in a
situation where the cops would kill him. So that's a
different thing. But a lot of these, the ones where
they end up dead, That makes perfect sense to me
looking back at it over the years. The suicide was
(23:25):
the point. The anger at your classmates wasn't the point,
the you know, anger at your boss, your whatever it is.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
You want to kill yourself and you needed it to be.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
Somehow more meaningful, which is a sad sick state, which
makes it all the more important that we don't engage
in the sort of violent rhetoric that can give people
a target for their suicidal intentions. There's a poll out
like just now, that's heartening. This is a you gov poll,
much better news than the pole A lot of us
were citing a week or so ago. But do you
(24:01):
support It's a lot of it has to do with
how you ask the question, but it is do you
support partisan murder?
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Nobody does?
Speaker 4 (24:08):
You can call it nobody because it's less than one
percent of Democrats, Independents, Republicans overall, whoever you want to ask.
It's less than one percent support partisan murder. Happy to
see that, now pull it well.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
That is an enormously different result than do you think
political violence is sometimes justified?
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (24:30):
I don't know if it's because violence you're picturing something
short of murder or what? But yeah, how serious a
problem do you think political violence is?
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Today?
Speaker 4 (24:41):
Ninety three percent of us think it's somewhat or very serious,
So practically all of us think it's serious. If you
don't think it's serious, you are a nut job or something.
And finally, do you think the way people talk about
politics these days is contributing to violence eighty two percent. Yes,
the rest of you are wrong, especially given what we
(25:05):
just said.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
People out there who are.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
Suicidal ish, now you give them something to hang on
to with your This is you know, the new Hitler
or their Nazis or the worst thing that's ever happened
in the history of everything, right.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
Which will get you more headlines and more likes, as
it were for your crime or your suicide. This getting
back to the anti Ice guy and this you know,
this is a bit of a winding road, but hang
with us. None of his former friends believed that the
anti Ice inscription could possibly be sincere feeling such a
serious political statement was anathema to who this guy was.
(25:46):
His humor was deeply ironic, often offensive, and aggressive to
the point of alienation.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Quote.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
He was most certainly an edge lord, an irony guy.
You're familiar with the term edge lord. I'm not somebody
who shoots off their mouth with edgy like, nihilistic offensive
views on purpose. Asked about the inscription on the bullet,
a friend said, Josh was an edge lord who wanted
to get someone blamed. I think he tried his best
to write something goofy to rile people up. Another showed
(26:13):
him a Facebook post describing how this man young man
had flooded his friend's comments section with rape jokes. Really
really like to provoke people in kind of a nihilistic way,
and that reminds me of a piece in the Free
Press that I was going to get into at some point.
But of a nihilist is or do you say nihilist
(26:36):
is the best way to describe it. This online community
of mostly males who are so full of apathy and hate.
They just try to recruit people to this cynical, hateful attitude,
and as a hobby they try to convince people to
hurt themselves online, or they black blackmail lomb or try
(26:57):
to tempt them into suicide. And it's just yet another
example of that's a one in fifty thousand, twisted six
psychopath and if you go online you can find seven
hundred and fifty of them by this afternoon.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
Yeah, once again, I don't know how humanity handles this
ability for all the craziest of us to all get
together and convince each other that they're part of a movement.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Right, Yeah, can humanity deal with the Internet? Well, I'll
tell you what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
The answers No, But if humanity is my favorite football team,
we're down forty five nothing and I haven't seen any
real sign of us fighting back.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
I don't know if it landed the same way with
you all. But I will look at a lot of these,
all different kinds of shootings differently now that it makes
sense to me. This suicide was the point, and they
lately came to the reason, needing just right to make
their life their death not so incredibly nothing. Also, that
(28:07):
idea that people aren't upset about a cause because they've
been butting their banging their head against the wall of
immigration rules or divorce laws or whatever it is you
got for years, and you just finally snapped, that is
not at all what happens.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Right right, And just one more note, and then we
will give you the delicious dessert of humor, the idea
that I'm not an alienated sad sack who just decided
not to live anymore. I'm a brave revolutionary committing the
ultimate violation of human norms to make a point. I'm
an exciting, dangerous figure. How much going on in their heads,
(28:49):
and you can tell how much easier is that to swallow?
Then I'm just a sad person with no friends, alone
in their apartment.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Nobody will even notice.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
I mean that's hard to swallow, right, indeed, wow, have
you well? Do we have transition music?
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Bailable?
Speaker 6 (29:01):
Could you do that for us? We got Cali Clutter
here we go heavy Man Heavy.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
So this guy's name is Sean Farache Ferish Farash. He's
a Trump imitator.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
It's clip number eleven. Michael enjoy Well.
Speaker 7 (29:26):
It is my complete honor and privilege to make this endorsement.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
You know, I've got along with very well with oxygen.
I call it air. We love to breathe.
Speaker 7 (29:36):
It's a tremendous practice in and out. I went to
the doctor and my doctor looked at me. He said, sir,
you have the most beautiful lugs. They're so big, they're
so beautiful. They inflate, they deflate, they're wonderful. So I said, now,
it's a beautiful day to endorse oxygen.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
We love breathing red.
Speaker 7 (29:56):
And you have these stupid people on the left, very stupid,
very sick. He's a very sick people. You're not a
sick person, but they're very sick people, right, they're gonna
hear me say, oh, Donald Trump likes to breathe, you know,
Wills breathed Hitler, and they're gonna hold their breath.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
And that's what we're hoping for.
Speaker 7 (30:11):
We're looking at it. So we are endorsing air, big
beautiful clean air. Keep breathing that beautiful air. It's a
tremendous thing to do. Thank you so much. Thank you
for your attention to this meta Thank you.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
That is a really good Trump impersonation. Yeah, it is.
In a funny bit. You will breathe the Hitler, so
people are holding their breath. Oh my god, that's funny.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
Got to tell you about this smash and grab in
the San Francisco Bay area of a jewelry store while
the details on it or something. If you haven't seen
the video, we're gonna have it at Armstrong and geddy
dot com.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Stay tuned, hey, getdy.
Speaker 5 (30:49):
Alright to a new report from the Wall Street Journal,
toxic fumes are leaking into airplanes and making passengers and
crews sick.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Though if you're.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
Flying Spirit, they're happy to crack a window.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Poor Spirit Airline.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
Around the country, you've probably seen videos of the smash
and grab crimes in California over the last couple of years.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
When we smash, smash somash.
Speaker 4 (31:15):
When we grab, we decriminalized crime and it just kind
of was a, you know, a nod to everybody that
it's free, rein to take whatever you want, anytime you want.
And some of these are really well orchestrated in a
high level, like these jewelry store smashing grabs, And there
was one the other day with a twist at the end.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Here.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
This is slightly different than the ones you've heard about recently,
and the video is amazing. There's thirty dudes, thirty wild
video shows a huge mob of masked, black clad thiebs
storming a San Ramon that's the San Francisco Bay Area
jewelry store, making off with a million dollars in jewels
(31:52):
in just a couple of minutes.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Thirty crooks.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
As they ran up to the store in broad daylight Monday,
they used crowbars and pickaxes to smash the display cases
and snatch jewelry, then shop their way out when a
security door automatically tried to lock them inside.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
It was a glass door, so they just shot it.
Speaker 4 (32:11):
When they went in, they just took over the store,
grabbed whatever jewelry was available.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
I saw him pointing guns at the workers too.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
The raid was likely planned days in advance, police said,
as the suspects arrived in six separate vehicles. That's some
coordination there, parked in the valet area one hundred feet
from the store, and then the thirty people ran in
and smashed it all up. But here's the different thing
that happened. Cops were able to get footage of the
suspects in their vehicles using a drone funded by an
(32:44):
organized retail theft grant.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
So they got drones in the air, got all the.
Speaker 4 (32:50):
Vehicles, what the vehicles look like, the license plates, you know,
they were all masked, but you got at least some
idea of what the people look like. They've already arrested
seven suspects because of the drone footage, so which will
lead them to the other suspects almost surrounding Yeah?
Speaker 3 (33:08):
Probably, Uh, this is exactly what we were talking about
the other day, the upside of a surveillance state.
Speaker 4 (33:15):
I was about to say that, yeah, you have a
surveillance state like they've already got in New York City
where everything is on camera all the time from multiple angles,
your face, your license plate, everything, and it's all coordinated
into various computers that compile it all together. It's kind
of like the social credit score thing they do in China.
They're doing in New York City. But anyway, the upside
(33:36):
is you're gonna catch these guys.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
Right.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
As a civil libertarian, what really interests me in troubles
me is the idea that maybe in the second half
of the twentieth century, this stuff seemed anathema. I was
disgusting the very idea of a surveillance state because it
wasn't needed. We had, you know, coherent laws, crime got punishment,
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our morals are more raised as a society, we're pretty
unified against this sort of thing, and so we didn't
need it. But we've let the bad guys get worse
and worse and run rampant, and so now we need
to quote unquote need to enact these draconian surveillance.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
And it's the history of the world. Emergencies lead to
crackdowns of various kinds, and they stay in place forever,
long past the emergency nine to eleven is how we
got license plate readers. I think nobody ever voted on
that It's never been an issue anywhere. Do we like
the idea of the government going around and reading license
(34:41):
plates so they know where your car is all the time.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
No, but it happened. It just happened.
Speaker 4 (34:46):
The point of the New York Times article about New
York as a surveillance state is none of this stuff
has been discussed or voted on.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
None of it.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
It just happened, just executive fiat and yeah, a little
by little with each and every emergency, and you got
to smash and grab emergencies. Okay, let's get a drone
in the air, so now everybody's tracked all the time.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
I can show your soul's desire for freedom.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
That's a good idea, Thank you Chinese drone lady. It's
a fine suggestion.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
This will come back to bite us at some point, though,
when whoever decides, you know, the Tea Party, they're a
dangerous group. We better keep an eye on where they go.
Oh yeah, for whatever political reason. Yeah, that reminds me,
maybe we can pay this off next hour. A long
list of prominent Democrats who made the Jimmy Kimmel incident
(35:35):
look like you know, paddy cake in terms of government
pressure and censorship. They were fully in favor of it,
proudly in favor of it, about five minutes ago, and
now they're beating their chests and tearing their garments and
saying how it's terrible and then threatens the constitution. Good Lord,
you can't be cynical enough these days. We'll have to
(35:57):
delve into this breaking news that Amazon has reached and
his historic two point five billion dollar settlement with the
FTC because they had been tricking people into signing up
for their Prime memberships. Oh, that's the biggest settlement ever.
So I want to know more of the details on that.
Did I get tricked? I have a Prime membership?
Speaker 3 (36:15):
Maybe i've been Plus, will profile the twenty nine year
old woman who's the world's most famous bagpiper. No, no,
we won't, but she is. I'll bet I know who
she is. I think I've seen her on YouTube videos.
I'm probably playing freebird. Yeah yeah, well, sir.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Interesting.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
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