December 22, 2025 • 35 mins
Featured in Hour Three of the Monday December 22, 2025 edition of The Armstrong & Getty Replay...
- Questions Candace Owens is "just asking"
- Drinking the water & alchemy
- Men in America stats
- Portland Screamers & D.O.G.E.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George
Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
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Speaker 3 (00:25):
Welcome to you had another fine hour of the Armstrong
in Getty Show.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
We're on vacation, but be not dismayed. Some of our
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Now back to the A and G replay. Oh you
have no interest in getting in. You know, podcasting conflicts
with anybody. I number one, I don't care, and you
(00:51):
know number two is just unproductive. But I've got to
admit I am fascinated by a couple of different media
twist offs. Tucker number one, because I thought so highly
of Tucker as a writer. Everybody did a thinker. Oh yeah,
my goodness, so so good. But he's turned toward this
Groyd Ferry anti semitism that I find very, very troubling.
(01:14):
And it's a shame.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
And why because he was already ungodly wealthy.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Yeah, I think he actually believes what he's pitching.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Now did he always believe that? And he was keeping quiet?
Certain didn't seem like it, no idea, No, no, it didn't.
This seems to be some sort of change.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
The idea of fawning over Vladimir Putin and what a
wonderful place Rush is is just that is so looney tunes.
It's difficult to explain by. I mean, it's either mental
illness or an ideological capture of some sort. But the
other character that fascinates me in a weird way is
Candace Owens, who we met once. We did an event
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with her, extremely articulate and confident. I think it was
Rich International Review and we'll touch on this in a minute.
Points out that confidence to the point of just being way, way,
way over the top.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Well, we were in a green room with her for
forty five minutes quite a while, and it was just Joe,
me her and like her assistant.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
I think it's like four of us in the room.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
She was incredibly stand offish, like just not willing to
engage in any conversation whatsoever, and one in the phone.
But now I know she's a complete weirdo. I mean,
she's a very strange person. So here are a couple
of examples.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
I don't remember what's in the audio that we're about
to play you, which is entitled all the Questions Candice
owns is just asking, which if you're not hip to
this is a way that people can say things that
are they know will be greeted as horrifying, but they
just say, I'm just asking the questions. It's it's just
it's transparent once you become aware of it, whether it's
(02:57):
a fake historian claiming the Hitler was really a good
guy and didn't mean for a few Jews to die
or whatever. But like Kansas lately, if you're not familiar
with her act is said, and I quote, I'm starting
to think that the assassination of Charlie Kirk was something
akin to a regi aside, right, the assassination of a
king to install a new ruler who the king would
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never have approved of. And the new ruler of Turning
Point USA turns out to be Kirk's widow, Erica Kirk,
and Owens has argued the Turning Point is covering up
its involvement in Kirk's assassination and that Erica Kirk knows everything.
She also then she says, but it's a vile smear
(03:40):
to suggest she's implicated Erica Kirk and her husband's assassination.
But she's just asking questions. Why don't we go ahead
and play this audio and then we'll follow up? Go ahead,
Michael twelve.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
They and other influencers will invoke Erica as the reason
that it's not appropriate to ask questions. It's just not
appropriate while Erica is still morning for you guys to
ask ask any questions. And I'm just going to come
back at you with some common sense. What sort of
widow wouldn't want people to investigate the assassination of their husband.
Every day that goes on, it feels to me like
(04:12):
Turning Point is engaged in a cover up, So criticism
is pertaining to anything at Turning Point USA that are being.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Directed at Erica are fair. Obviously they are fair.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
You are recognizing that the people around Charlie are not
acting in the way that they should be acting, that
their emotionality is not needing the moment of violence that
we all witnessed.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Nothing and Charlie's life is real.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
It's just something that keeps me up at night.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Just nothing in his life.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
Was real, And it just so happened that Charlie Kirk
kept notebooks and diaries. He was so diligent that he
roped down his succession plan featuring who he wanted to
take over for the organization in the event of his
untimely death, Like you know, just in the third notebook,
he was like, oh, and if I accidentally get shot
(04:55):
on campus, here's what you should do. Call Airicub and
then after you call Araica, come find this notebook. Oh
but wait, Charlie, wasn't it like a boy genius, for
he's a pretty bright kid. Wouldn't he have maybe formalized
that succession plan outside of like a diary, But no,
he wanted to put it in these notebooks. And then
the plan was to guilt us, I think, to try
to haunt us with the ghost of Charlie's notebooks that
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were never going to be allowed to read. Yeah, I'm
putting the fire here right at the feet of turning
Point because I am disgusted.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
I am genuinely disgusted.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
I am looking around and wondering whether Charlie's entire life
was the Truman Show. But I'm starting to think that
the assassination of Charlie Kirk was something akin to a regicide, right,
the assassination of a king to install a new ruler who.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
The king would have never approved of. Right.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
So she suggesting that these diaries journals that he kept
are fake. I guess that his wife faked him up.
So see he wrote it down here, You wanted me
to be in charge if something happened to him, exactly.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
T'sal a little too pad, isn't it a little too things.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
That she was involved in having him killed because.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
She wanted When you say, wait a minute, are you
hinting that she was involved in having him killed? You say,
that's despicable? How dare you question me? Yeah, it's crazy.
As Rich Lowry writes, when Alex Jones was at his
height and he hasn't gone away, it felt as though
he was in it for the entertainment. He was like
the WWE announcer who knows the wrestling is fake and
knows that we know the wrestling is fake, but impuse
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his play by play with a sense of great import
all the time. True, I would agree he was despicable,
but that was the vibe. Owens is different to be
sure she's entertaining too, and he gives some examples. But
Owens is more alluring and sinister than Alex Jones. She
wants followers not just to sell them the equivalent of supplements,
but to gain influence and turn mega in a direction
hostile to israel, Jews and Judaism. Now it is true
(06:57):
that Owens is ignorant of basic things and makes him
embarrassing elementary factual mistakes all the time. Yet she's very glib,
and her credibility as a talker is bolstered by the
near sociopathic self confidence of someone who believes her saying
something must make it true. And then her riff about
the moon landings being faked is characteristic. She kind of
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knows something about the Van Allen radiation belt, which is
more than most people can say, but overstates its potential
as an obstacle, and she misunderstands how temperature works in space,
among other things. Or her contention that dinosaurs are fake
and gay. This apparently stems from her wholly erroneous belief
that only paleontologists have ever found dinosaur bones, so there
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must be conspiracy among them to fabricate fossils to undermine
faith in God, clearly true, and that Jews have a
special place in her conspiracies. Harvard is a Masad base,
which Rich writes highly convenient. One assumes if Israel wanted
to carry out an operation against Tufts or Bodouin, Israel
was involved in the September eleventh the tacks the Holocaust
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has exaggerated her fake ili Weissel is a liar. The
Jews carried out the Bolshevik Revolution in order to exterminate Christians.
The Jews killed jfk And for some reason, also Michael
Jackson Stalin was a secret Jew, and so is At
a Turk. Jeffrey Epstein, of course, was doing Israel's bidding.
She hasn't accused the Jews of poisoning the wells, but
give it time.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
And she's portraying. I'm reading her Twitter posts from today.
She's portraying it is like she and Charlie were really close.
She and Charlie Kirk heartbreaking. They really killed my friend.
But justice will be served, and that she's being attacked
for trying to get the truth out about who killed
her friend. Right today, on the show We Go Max,
(08:46):
we find irrefutable proof that turning point knows more than
they're telling us. Charlie was right, he knew I would
be the one to defend him after death. Join us Live,
blah blah blah. She's got seven point four million followers
on I don't know how much money that makes you
A lot.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Quite a bit money. Yeah, I got a bunch of
examples of there were actually two shots. The rifle shot
was used only to cover up another shot from an
unknown assassin at close range that would be difficult to
coordinate Robinson. The actual shooter's role was to drive around
campus assisting in costume changes. Let's see she heard that
(09:25):
Robinson is bewildered by the idea that he carved messages
and bullet casings. She also doubts the authenticity of his
text messages with his trans boyfriend. She believes the text
aren't credible because there's no way Robinson would use a
fancy word like vehicle instead of car rich Wright's not
only his vehicle not a particularly uncommon word. Owens messes
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up what she considers to be evidence that senches the
point in sleuth mode. She says that police bodycam footage
of Robinson after the car accident shows him using the
word car instead of vehicle, but in the course of
that very tape he also says vehicle and.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Pretty slim no matter what I mean.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Oh my god. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
And this goes on for a long time about the Jews,
especially about the Jews.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
There's a couple of pages of this, but that's enough
of that. So the broader point that I find really
interesting and compelling is how these conspiracy theories work and
how do they get people? And I remember when QAnon
was big, I read an absolutely fantastic description of how
that works. What are the various triggers that the perpetrator
(10:34):
of these hoaxes use? And I wish I could find
it because it's very straightforward and easy to understand.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
I got. I gotta admit, if my conscience would allow me,
it'd be pretty fun to do the canvas thing where
you just make stuff up and kind of ride this
wave of nonsense and keep people pulling pulling people along
and come up with new wacky ideas. It'd be pretty fun.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Oh yeah, It's great mental exercise. You get to know
the four or five tools of your craft, and then
you have to react quickly and make new stuff up.
It's it's almost like a creative writing exercise in a way.
But anyway, I came across this by Claire Layman, and
we'll take a break and come back with it the
New Medievals. The bones of conspiracy theories haven't changed through
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the centuries, though the details are different. How conspiracy theories
are right out of the Middle Ages. Thought this was intriguing.
Hope you enjoyed it.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
And then there's also the other end of it is
that certain people that really, really really want these I
don't want them, but some people do. It makes them
feel better. That's its own interesting.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Thank you Jack Armstrong and Joe Gretty the Armstrong and
Getty Show.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
And listen to this.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Trump just threatened to raise tariffs on Mexico by five
percent if they don't send more water to the US.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Smart.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
If there's one thing, I feel totally confident in water
from Mexico. Remember when we learned several years ago that
that whole uh don't drink the water thing is pretty
much true anywhere you go in the world, just because
your body has become accustomed to water here or wherever
you live, and when you travel to someplace else, their
water is different. And often upset your stomach. And it's
(12:19):
not just Mexico. It can be any first world country
where that happens. I'd say I didn't I miss that
or didn't know it or something. I mean, because in
Mexico you'll be very, very sick, But it can happen
anywhere just because you're not used to Like the people
who Mexico don't get sick from drinking the water because
their bodies have accustomed to it.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Is the theory. I don't know. I didn't do the science.
I didn't do the scrink water and a lot of
places around the world and done fine. But true, although
I have drink water.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Mexico and done fine. So uh So I was talking
about Isaac Newton in alchemy like we always do on Wednesdays.
So I was on this Isaac Newton cake about a
year ago or whatever, and read a couple books about
any understudied absolutely fascinating dude. And I got pulled into
it actually by this secret stuff we learned about him
not that many years ago. Isaac Newton, father of mathematics
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and in ventor of all these physical principles, you know,
laws of motion and all these different things. But his
main thing that he had to hide there in England
in the lateeen sixteen hundreds because the religious climate was religion.
He was a very, very devout religious person, but his
particular view of the relationship between Jesus and the Church
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and all these different things wasn't what was in favor
at the time, and he would have gotten thrown in
jail if his thinking in writings had been out loud.
So he was really into alchemy, which we were taught
in school was all about turning lead into gold, which
it often was, but that was not primarily the reason
for alchemy, and I kind of wonder why books didn't
tell us this at the time.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
I think there's maybe a reason. It was mostly a
religious thing it was about.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
It had to do with the way human beings can change,
and blood into water, and all these different sorts of
things fitting in with the Bible and their theological beliefs.
It wasn't just purely we could take lead, which is
easy to find and turned into gold and become rich.
It was way more a god thing, and I think
they wanted to downplay that for some reason. Anyway, Isaac Newton,
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one of the greatest scientists of all time was super
into it. He wrote more about this than he did
about anything about gravity or anything else. He wrote more
about this, but it was hidden and nobody saw the
papers until the nineteen thirties. Isaac Newton's papers went up
for auction in the nineteen thirties and because the famous
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economist Keynes of England, that Keynes is in Knsian economics,
he John Maynard Keynes, he bid on them, won the
Isaac Newton papers and discovered all these writings about all
of his theological spiritual stuff about alchemy. Nobody knew that
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Isaac Newton had this.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Side to him.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
So Keenes, the economist, bought these papers and then wrote
a couple of books about it and revealed it to
the world. He was more a theologian than he was
a into physics, but he had to hide one from everyone. Wow, wow,
how interesting. Brilliant guy. Obviously one of the more balance
spare times. Maybe I'll go ahead and invent modern mathematics.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
One of the more brilliant people that have ever lived.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
And the fact that he had to hide all that
from everybody, and it just fairly recently got discovered by
a famous economist, which, yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
All of history is grossly oversimplified, partly because you almost
have to. Although I just ran into a great unmasking
of the idiot sixteen nineteen project in the notion that
American slavery was so much worse than we and we
really invented slavery in the United States, Oh my god,
saying so much worse than other slavery in other parts
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of the world, and this obsession with self hatred, and
it's just not based on fact at all. But if
somebody with an authoritative sounding title tells a bunch of
youngsters that that's the truth, they believe it, and you
can't believe. You can't blame him, really, And it's troubling
because we've got a couple of generations and people with
really perverse beliefs about this country, and they're one hundred
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percent certain that they're right. What are you gonna do,
do a better job of policing what's going on in schools?
For one thing, No freaking kidd, there's a decent chance
that book is being taught in your kid's school. Oh yeah, absolutely,
particularly in Blue States. Yes, it's absolutely obscene, and it's horsees.
It comes out of the south side of a northbound horse.
(16:37):
Yes it does. I mean, for one thing, the incredibly
tiny percentage of the Atlantic slave trade that ended up
in the continental United States. I mean it's a tiny percentage.
The vast majority of the slaves were sent to Central
and South America, and there's well, what time is it now?
We don't have time for this, but uh, maybe we'll
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get onto that another time. But that many, many, many,
many more slaves survived in the territory that became the US,
or in the US than in South America, which is
why they have a lot of descendants here. Because if
you were sent to the to clear the jungles of Brazil,
you were gonna die.
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Speaker 3 (17:50):
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Speaker 2 (17:53):
What actually happened in that story?
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Nobody ends up looking great, really glaciousness Florida style. So
my son was on a boy scout hiking trip over
the weekend. As I've talked about a lot since he
joined Boy Scouts last March, I am so impressed with
that organization in particular, I'm Payton particularly. I'm excited about
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having an organization out there that's helping young men the
way it clearly is, because man, the whole young men
landscape thing, for all kinds of different reasons that we've
been talking about for years is a little scary. The
fact that being a boy is considered a disease in school,
and the concept of toxic masculinity when you're just being
(18:41):
a dude, and just all those different things really weird
me out.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Well, especially if you have had the misfortune to be
born white, then you're seen as the center of all evil,
as taught in your local elementary school and on up
through the chain of miseducation.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
So Friday night, on his HBO show, Bill Maher had
this podcaster or NYE You, professor Matt Galloway on, and
they started talking about men in America and some of
the stats around it that are horrifying.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
The number of men I didn't realize this is a
percentage who live at home, still live with their parents.
What are those numbers.
Speaker 6 (19:16):
It's about thirty percent of men under the age of
twenty five, one and three are still at home. One
in five are still at home by the age of thirty.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
One in five at home at age thirty.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Yipes. He goes on, is that economic or emotional or both?
Speaker 6 (19:32):
I mean, effectively, what you have is they're up against
this indomitable anime. Forty percent of the SMP is now
ten companies whose primary mission is to get you is
glued to a screen for as long as possible, any minute.
They can keep you on a screen longer as billions
of dollars, and a young man's brain, which prefrontal cortex
is less mature, is more susceptible to that need for DOPA.
So what we've literally done, Bill is unwittingly built an
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economy which is dependent upon our ability to evolve a
new species of eight social asexual males. And what you
have is big tech, who is not our friend, is
trying to sequester people, especially young people, especially young men,
from the most important thing in our life, and that
is relationships.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
I've been trying to say that for years, but not
as eloquently as he just did. The greatest minds of
our time are trying to addict us to screens for
their own nefarious purposes.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
Well, i'd never heard that before, though. I didn't know,
because we all know about the dopamine hits that we
get from ding a new text, a new headline, a
new whatever. I didn't know that young men were more
susceptible to the dopamine hit than the rest of us.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
WHOA, Well, yeah, it's thrill seeking. That's that's what thrill
seeking is. And whether it's online thrills, you know. I'm
not sure I've ever been so disgusted by an advertisement
as I was, And I wish I had the quote
in front of me, But it was one of your
shooting people in war video games and it was dead serious.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Be a hero, a real hero, Call of Warfare three
or whatever.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Like that's the opposite of what you freaking are. You're
living at your parents' home just play acting being a hero.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Oh, you wouldn't think there'd be anything at the beginning
of this pre internet, if you just started out. We're
going to develop a product that'll make young men care
about this product more than they care about getting laid. Yeah,
good luck, I'd have said that's impossible. There's nothing that
matters more to young men than And it turns out
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you came up with something.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Yeah, unless your project is oxygen, it's gonna fail.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
But they came up with this whole dopamine clicks thingy
that is anyway, he goes on.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Make sure you guys do not miss this stat So
here we go.
Speaker 6 (21:48):
Okay, Forty five percent of men eighteen to twenty four
have never asked a woman out in person. Sixty three
percent of men under the age of thirty are not
even pursuing a relationship.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
And if you think of.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Stop it, because I want you to start that again
so I can pay closer attention.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Holy crap. Okay, here we go.
Speaker 6 (22:08):
Forty five percent of men eighteen to twenty four have
never asked a woman out in person. Sixty three percent
of men under the age of thirty are not even
pursuing a relationship. And if you think about the most
rewarding things in your life, I mean, the things that
really matter, they are essentially relationships. What do they all
have in common? They're really damn hard. And unfortunately, big tech,
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the most deep pocketed godlike technology in the world, is
trying to convince young men that they can have a
reasonable facsimilay of life online.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Why go through the.
Speaker 6 (22:37):
Pecking order of trying to establish friendships? And you got
readed in discord. Why put on a tie and navigate
the corporate world when you can trade crypto or stocks
on Robinhood or coinbase.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
And why would you go through the effort.
Speaker 6 (22:47):
The expense, and the potential rejection and humiliation of establishing
a romantic relationship when you have porn? I believe slowly
but surely, we're going to start to see fewer and
fewer young men out in the wild. Is they're going
to decide to sequest her? And if I could say
anything to young men, is that the anxiety and depression
you will eventually feel in your basement sequestered from other
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mammals is far greater than the fear of anything that
lays outside of that room for you.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
I'm not sure that argument's gonna work, but that stat
I'm glad he brought up the p word porn.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
I was wondering, is he be going to bring that up?
He did.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
Two thirds of men under thirty are not pursuing a relationship,
completely unheard of when I was a young man. Just
absolutely impossible that there would have been one person I
would have ever run into a guy my age who
wasn't pursuing a relationship.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
And just under half of eighteen to twenty four year
olds had never asked a woman to go do anything.
That's stunning. What's this? Galloway's first name, Mike Scott, that
is Scott Galloway. Okay, Yeah, I'm gonna follow him. And
I like the cut of his jim. He's talking, he's
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spitting truth as they say. Wow, this is how many
times have we said this? If this was a different
species than Homo sapiens, the scientific world would be on
fire talking about it. Right, half of half.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
Of all alligators no longer want to be in swamps.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
What right, man, They're walking wrong along on hind legs
and trying to mate with beavers. I mean, this is
an astonishing change in the natural most deeply embedded behaviors
in a species happens to be humans.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
Maybe the flip side to look at it is the
only thing that was getting us out of the house.
Was this needing a little and we wanted it so
much we freaking threw on a tie. We left our home.
We went out there got an edgemacation if we did
all these different things just because we needed it so bad,
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and once you eliminate that need, ah, I'm just gonna
stay in my parents' basement in sweats for the rest
of my life.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
That's sad, though it's.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
Of course it's sad, And obviously he's right, at the
end of the road, you'll be much sadder than you
would be with the pursuit and failure and all the
ups and downs of life. But I don't think that
your argument's going to work on young people. Just to
see your time horizon when you're young just doesn't work well.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Back to the impulsiveness of young people, particularly young men,
although let's not let the crazy angry militancy of young
women go without being remarked on in this discussion as well.
That's but I've got a couple of teens that.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Aloys different syndrome, but still a significant one. But like
my high schooler, we spent a lot of time together
over the weekend because his brother was on a camping
trip and he's going to be sixteen here in a
couple of months, and he has the same attitude every
sixteen year old has or I had.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
He talks about when I talk about you.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
When you're thirty. When I'm thirty, I don't mean, I
don't even care if I'm alive. When I'm thirty, who
cares about being thirty? I mean, thirty is so far
off when you're sixteen you can't even imagine it. You know,
we'll be flying around in cars and all kinds of
stuff by the time you're thirty. So so pitching to
young people the idea, I mean, I do this. I've
done this with my own kids, and it seems to
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be working so far. But pitching the you know by
the time you're forty, ultimately you'll be sad.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
If you do this. I hope that works. Yeah, you know,
it's funny. I was reminiscing with a couple of buddies
that it had been eleven years since we played our
last show as a rock and roll band, and I thought,
good lord, eleven years. Then I thought, that's all of
high school, all of college in the first three years
of your career, which is enormously impactful and is forever
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in youthful years, you know, to your point, when I'm
thirty telling a sixteen year old that please right, no, right, no, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
If you if you continue down this path when you're thirty,
you're going to be unhappy with your choices.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
I've done a lot of people. There will soon be.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
A religion, a philosophy, and it will be popular.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
It will be very, very popular. It might be a
smallish minority of humans, but it will be an anti
tech religion slash ethos that people will latch onto. I
think it is building. How widespread it is, I don't know.
I am prepared to be your leader. I will not
be sexing up your younger women, at least at first
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that appeas to you, because every one of these like
insular cult like organizations ends up with the leaders sexing
up the young women. So I just figured.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
So to the point that half of young adult men
have never asked a girl out, and two thirds of
men under thirty are not looking for a relationship at all.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Imagine being a young woman.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
Good lord, You're a twenty six year old getting your
act together, thinking of having a family someday, woman, and
two thirds of dudes out there are not even thinking
about looking for a relationship. Holy crap, No wonder you're
holding hands with a girl you got no choice and this.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Wow, and this came out of nowhere. Okay, this came
on so quickly societally. But there's so much money being made.
It's propping up the stock market, for instance, tech in general.
This sort of thing is not being said nearly as
much as it should be.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
Man, Michael, you promised our minds would be blown by
those stats. You were successful. That is some troubling, troubling stuff.
You did not lie the Armstrong and Getty show.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Yeah, your show, podcasts and our hot lakes.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Here, what is that you're wondering. That's a bunch of idiots.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
It's a bunch of hurlds off cliffs, A bunch of
idiots that should be hurled off cliffs and make those noises.
That's a bunch of idiots in Portland who get together
every week and scream it out how much they hate Trump.
Have some kids, and you won't have time for this crap.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
I don't even have the energy to respond to that.
How Portland does that? Oh? And look how enlightened you are.
You're screaming about Trump? Why because you don't like him?
And you probably think what he's the new hitler. That's intriguing,
good Lord, I don't even have the energy.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
So Elon Musk did an interview yesterday and he was
asked about DOGE. He gets asked about lots of things,
because he does lots of things as a world's richest man.
He's no longer convinced his crusade to clean up government
waste through the Apartment of Government Efficiency better known as DOGE,
was worth the chaos at unleashed. I can see why
he would think that. He's deeply unsure whether his high
(30:09):
profile stint running Washington's most memorable agency actually worked, says
a New York Post. In a wide ranging and at
times philosophical interview on some podcast I had never heard of,
he said there was like probably one hundred maybe two
hundred billion dollars worth of zombie payments per year, he said,
noting DOGE shut down only a fraction of it. Those
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are their payments that are go out for things that
either don't exist or shouldn't exist, and everybody knows they
shouldn't exist, haven't been closed down officially yet or whatever,
And they got about a a tiny percentage of it
shut down, he said. Cutting off even that much cash
came with serious blowback. If you stop money going to
political corruption, they will lash out big time.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
They really want to keep the money flowing, he said.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
He said, I wouldn't say I was super illusioned to
begin with. He was asking if he was disillusion I
wouldn't say I was super illusioned to begin with, he shrugged,
before launching into a blistering critique of government spending. Despite
the heavy political talk, the X owner frequently veered into
the personal. He confessed that AI nightmares still jolt him
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awake many days in a row.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
Well, if you're twenty percent convinced that something you're building
is going to destroy humankind, which he is, I could
see why maybe you'd wake up worried about that. I
have not had an AI nightmare as yet. I had
a radio nightmare last night. What was it was, Oh,
trying to hook up some equipment or something like that,
trying to get the microphones work on the show and
(31:42):
I couldn't or whatever.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
What does that mean? I've got a lot of loose
ends in my life right now.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
I'm having trouble getting to work the way I want
them to work, family, structuring, all these different sort of things.
It was clearly that I just couldn't get a task accomplished.
The frustration of this is not coming together with the
way I wanted to. I think that was kind of it. Yeah,
or I ate spicy food. There's more of gravy than
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the grave about you.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
That's a quote from a Christmas carol. And the nature
of diet versus bad dreams.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
There's two things interesting I thought in that Elon Musk interview.
One the fact that he like lots of people, like
lots of normal people who touch Washington, d C. And
have other things to do in their lives. They realize
there's no fixing this swamp. You know, there are other
people that go there and think I need to be
part of this. That's how I'm going to become rich,
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And they do lots and lots of people.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
But he's already rich, so he doesn't need to do that.
He just gave it a world thought.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
Man, people go nuts when you try to cut anything,
including things that are completely worthless.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
He talks about.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
How, you know, if I hadn't done that, people wouldn't
be setting my cars on fire. So I kind of
wish I hadn't gotten involved.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Yeah, you know what's I think it's way more interesting
than it seems, way more significant than it seems on
the surface. That if I'm part of the swamp, profiting
from it mightily and spreading out money and enhancing my
own wealth and power, fiscal responsibility even over there doesn't
(33:22):
affect me directly. It's a zombie program, you know, whatever
you're gonna fight. It reminds me the Omni cause where
you got you know, Native American lesbians standing up for
Palestinian terrorists and whatever. You can't let anybody cut anything. Ever, Well,
it's a call for fiscal responsibility. I mean, that is
(33:44):
the penicillin that would end your you know, infection in DC. Sure,
it's an example of they came for the payouts to
dead people social Security checks and I said nothing, right.
And the next thing, you came for the Department of
the Interior, whatever that does, and I said nothing exactly, yeah,
And it.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
Came for my scam, and there was no one left
to fight for me.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
It's profoundly discouraging too, Yes, it is. And I forgot
to mention this.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
So I saw this portrayed in a couple of different
mainstream organizations.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Is kind of like a huh huh. He got his
kind of showed him exactly. We showed him.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
Dare try to step in and cut anything out of
the government. What is wrong with you?
Speaker 2 (34:27):
Yeah, that's another interesting question. When tribalism leads people to
defend the indefensible, I mean literally indefensible. You cannot with
a straight face in favor of government waste.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
I don't understand how being a progressive fits in with
making sure dead people get their Social Security checks.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
I don't get it, this knee jerk tribalism like I
was talking about. You know, I've got a really really good, thorough, interesting,
thought provoking description of what's going on with the whole
Obamacare subsidy debate right now, and it's the sort of
coverage you won't get anywhere else. And part of me
(35:06):
doesn't want to even bother.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
Once again, Michael, it's number two cry for help, second
cry for help in one show. Oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
cry for I'm through with this crap. I think we
got to do a wellness check.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
I'm gonna call someone during the break, call anybody you
want who gives a crap. It's all for not We'll
all be dead soon.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
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have no interest in getting in. You know, podcasting conflicts
with anybody. I number one, I don't care, and you
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know number two is just unproductive. But I've got to
admit I am fascinated by a couple of different media
twist offs. Tucker number one, because I thought so highly
of Tucker as a writer. Everybody did a thinker. Oh yeah,
my goodness, so so good. But he's turned toward this
Groyd Ferry anti semitism that I find very, very troubling.
(01:14):
And it's a shame.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
And why because he was already ungodly wealthy.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Yeah, I think he actually believes what he's pitching.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Now did he always believe that? And he was keeping quiet?
Certain didn't seem like it, no idea, No, no, it didn't.
This seems to be some sort of change.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
The idea of fawning over Vladimir Putin and what a
wonderful place Rush is is just that is so looney tunes.
It's difficult to explain by. I mean, it's either mental
illness or an ideological capture of some sort. But the
other character that fascinates me in a weird way is
Candace Owens, who we met once. We did an event
(01:53):
with her, extremely articulate and confident. I think it was
Rich International Review and we'll touch on this in a minute.
Points out that confidence to the point of just being way, way,
way over the top.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Well, we were in a green room with her for
forty five minutes quite a while, and it was just Joe,
me her and like her assistant.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
I think it's like four of us in the room.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
She was incredibly stand offish, like just not willing to
engage in any conversation whatsoever, and one in the phone.
But now I know she's a complete weirdo. I mean,
she's a very strange person. So here are a couple
of examples.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
I don't remember what's in the audio that we're about
to play you, which is entitled all the Questions Candice
owns is just asking, which if you're not hip to
this is a way that people can say things that
are they know will be greeted as horrifying, but they
just say, I'm just asking the questions. It's it's just
it's transparent once you become aware of it, whether it's
(02:57):
a fake historian claiming the Hitler was really a good
guy and didn't mean for a few Jews to die
or whatever. But like Kansas lately, if you're not familiar
with her act is said, and I quote, I'm starting
to think that the assassination of Charlie Kirk was something
akin to a regi aside, right, the assassination of a
king to install a new ruler who the king would
(03:19):
never have approved of. And the new ruler of Turning
Point USA turns out to be Kirk's widow, Erica Kirk,
and Owens has argued the Turning Point is covering up
its involvement in Kirk's assassination and that Erica Kirk knows everything.
She also then she says, but it's a vile smear
(03:40):
to suggest she's implicated Erica Kirk and her husband's assassination.
But she's just asking questions. Why don't we go ahead
and play this audio and then we'll follow up? Go ahead,
Michael twelve.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
They and other influencers will invoke Erica as the reason
that it's not appropriate to ask questions. It's just not
appropriate while Erica is still morning for you guys to
ask ask any questions. And I'm just going to come
back at you with some common sense. What sort of
widow wouldn't want people to investigate the assassination of their husband.
Every day that goes on, it feels to me like
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Turning Point is engaged in a cover up, So criticism
is pertaining to anything at Turning Point USA that are being.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Directed at Erica are fair. Obviously they are fair.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
You are recognizing that the people around Charlie are not
acting in the way that they should be acting, that
their emotionality is not needing the moment of violence that
we all witnessed.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Nothing and Charlie's life is real.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
It's just something that keeps me up at night.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Just nothing in his life.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
Was real, And it just so happened that Charlie Kirk
kept notebooks and diaries. He was so diligent that he
roped down his succession plan featuring who he wanted to
take over for the organization in the event of his
untimely death, Like you know, just in the third notebook,
he was like, oh, and if I accidentally get shot
(04:55):
on campus, here's what you should do. Call Airicub and
then after you call Araica, come find this notebook. Oh
but wait, Charlie, wasn't it like a boy genius, for
he's a pretty bright kid. Wouldn't he have maybe formalized
that succession plan outside of like a diary, But no,
he wanted to put it in these notebooks. And then
the plan was to guilt us, I think, to try
to haunt us with the ghost of Charlie's notebooks that
(05:19):
were never going to be allowed to read. Yeah, I'm
putting the fire here right at the feet of turning
Point because I am disgusted.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
I am genuinely disgusted.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
I am looking around and wondering whether Charlie's entire life
was the Truman Show. But I'm starting to think that
the assassination of Charlie Kirk was something akin to a regicide, right,
the assassination of a king to install a new ruler who.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
The king would have never approved of. Right.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
So she suggesting that these diaries journals that he kept
are fake. I guess that his wife faked him up.
So see he wrote it down here, You wanted me
to be in charge if something happened to him, exactly.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
T'sal a little too pad, isn't it a little too things.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
That she was involved in having him killed because.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
She wanted When you say, wait a minute, are you
hinting that she was involved in having him killed? You say,
that's despicable? How dare you question me? Yeah, it's crazy.
As Rich Lowry writes, when Alex Jones was at his
height and he hasn't gone away, it felt as though
he was in it for the entertainment. He was like
the WWE announcer who knows the wrestling is fake and
knows that we know the wrestling is fake, but impuse
(06:34):
his play by play with a sense of great import
all the time. True, I would agree he was despicable,
but that was the vibe. Owens is different to be
sure she's entertaining too, and he gives some examples. But
Owens is more alluring and sinister than Alex Jones. She
wants followers not just to sell them the equivalent of supplements,
but to gain influence and turn mega in a direction
hostile to israel, Jews and Judaism. Now it is true
(06:57):
that Owens is ignorant of basic things and makes him
embarrassing elementary factual mistakes all the time. Yet she's very glib,
and her credibility as a talker is bolstered by the
near sociopathic self confidence of someone who believes her saying
something must make it true. And then her riff about
the moon landings being faked is characteristic. She kind of
(07:18):
knows something about the Van Allen radiation belt, which is
more than most people can say, but overstates its potential
as an obstacle, and she misunderstands how temperature works in space,
among other things. Or her contention that dinosaurs are fake
and gay. This apparently stems from her wholly erroneous belief
that only paleontologists have ever found dinosaur bones, so there
(07:40):
must be conspiracy among them to fabricate fossils to undermine
faith in God, clearly true, and that Jews have a
special place in her conspiracies. Harvard is a Masad base,
which Rich writes highly convenient. One assumes if Israel wanted
to carry out an operation against Tufts or Bodouin, Israel
was involved in the September eleventh the tacks the Holocaust
(08:01):
has exaggerated her fake ili Weissel is a liar. The
Jews carried out the Bolshevik Revolution in order to exterminate Christians.
The Jews killed jfk And for some reason, also Michael
Jackson Stalin was a secret Jew, and so is At
a Turk. Jeffrey Epstein, of course, was doing Israel's bidding.
She hasn't accused the Jews of poisoning the wells, but
give it time.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
And she's portraying. I'm reading her Twitter posts from today.
She's portraying it is like she and Charlie were really close.
She and Charlie Kirk heartbreaking. They really killed my friend.
But justice will be served, and that she's being attacked
for trying to get the truth out about who killed
her friend. Right today, on the show We Go Max,
(08:46):
we find irrefutable proof that turning point knows more than
they're telling us. Charlie was right, he knew I would
be the one to defend him after death. Join us Live,
blah blah blah. She's got seven point four million followers
on I don't know how much money that makes you
A lot.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Quite a bit money. Yeah, I got a bunch of
examples of there were actually two shots. The rifle shot
was used only to cover up another shot from an
unknown assassin at close range that would be difficult to
coordinate Robinson. The actual shooter's role was to drive around
campus assisting in costume changes. Let's see she heard that
(09:25):
Robinson is bewildered by the idea that he carved messages
and bullet casings. She also doubts the authenticity of his
text messages with his trans boyfriend. She believes the text
aren't credible because there's no way Robinson would use a
fancy word like vehicle instead of car rich Wright's not
only his vehicle not a particularly uncommon word. Owens messes
(09:46):
up what she considers to be evidence that senches the
point in sleuth mode. She says that police bodycam footage
of Robinson after the car accident shows him using the
word car instead of vehicle, but in the course of
that very tape he also says vehicle and.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Pretty slim no matter what I mean.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Oh my god. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
And this goes on for a long time about the Jews,
especially about the Jews.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
There's a couple of pages of this, but that's enough
of that. So the broader point that I find really
interesting and compelling is how these conspiracy theories work and
how do they get people? And I remember when QAnon
was big, I read an absolutely fantastic description of how
that works. What are the various triggers that the perpetrator
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of these hoaxes use? And I wish I could find
it because it's very straightforward and easy to understand.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
I got. I gotta admit, if my conscience would allow me,
it'd be pretty fun to do the canvas thing where
you just make stuff up and kind of ride this
wave of nonsense and keep people pulling pulling people along
and come up with new wacky ideas. It'd be pretty fun.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Oh yeah, It's great mental exercise. You get to know
the four or five tools of your craft, and then
you have to react quickly and make new stuff up.
It's it's almost like a creative writing exercise in a way.
But anyway, I came across this by Claire Layman, and
we'll take a break and come back with it the
New Medievals. The bones of conspiracy theories haven't changed through
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the centuries, though the details are different. How conspiracy theories
are right out of the Middle Ages. Thought this was intriguing.
Hope you enjoyed it.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
And then there's also the other end of it is
that certain people that really, really really want these I
don't want them, but some people do. It makes them
feel better. That's its own interesting.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Thank you Jack Armstrong and Joe Gretty the Armstrong and
Getty Show.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
And listen to this.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Trump just threatened to raise tariffs on Mexico by five
percent if they don't send more water to the US.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Smart.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
If there's one thing, I feel totally confident in water
from Mexico. Remember when we learned several years ago that
that whole uh don't drink the water thing is pretty
much true anywhere you go in the world, just because
your body has become accustomed to water here or wherever
you live, and when you travel to someplace else, their
water is different. And often upset your stomach. And it's
(12:19):
not just Mexico. It can be any first world country
where that happens. I'd say I didn't I miss that
or didn't know it or something. I mean, because in
Mexico you'll be very, very sick, But it can happen
anywhere just because you're not used to Like the people
who Mexico don't get sick from drinking the water because
their bodies have accustomed to it.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Is the theory. I don't know. I didn't do the science.
I didn't do the scrink water and a lot of
places around the world and done fine. But true, although
I have drink water.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Mexico and done fine. So uh So I was talking
about Isaac Newton in alchemy like we always do on Wednesdays.
So I was on this Isaac Newton cake about a
year ago or whatever, and read a couple books about
any understudied absolutely fascinating dude. And I got pulled into
it actually by this secret stuff we learned about him
not that many years ago. Isaac Newton, father of mathematics
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and in ventor of all these physical principles, you know,
laws of motion and all these different things. But his
main thing that he had to hide there in England
in the lateeen sixteen hundreds because the religious climate was religion.
He was a very, very devout religious person, but his
particular view of the relationship between Jesus and the Church
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and all these different things wasn't what was in favor
at the time, and he would have gotten thrown in
jail if his thinking in writings had been out loud.
So he was really into alchemy, which we were taught
in school was all about turning lead into gold, which
it often was, but that was not primarily the reason
for alchemy, and I kind of wonder why books didn't
tell us this at the time.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
I think there's maybe a reason. It was mostly a
religious thing it was about.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
It had to do with the way human beings can change,
and blood into water, and all these different sorts of
things fitting in with the Bible and their theological beliefs.
It wasn't just purely we could take lead, which is
easy to find and turned into gold and become rich.
It was way more a god thing, and I think
they wanted to downplay that for some reason. Anyway, Isaac Newton,
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one of the greatest scientists of all time was super
into it. He wrote more about this than he did
about anything about gravity or anything else. He wrote more
about this, but it was hidden and nobody saw the
papers until the nineteen thirties. Isaac Newton's papers went up
for auction in the nineteen thirties and because the famous
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economist Keynes of England, that Keynes is in Knsian economics,
he John Maynard Keynes, he bid on them, won the
Isaac Newton papers and discovered all these writings about all
of his theological spiritual stuff about alchemy. Nobody knew that
(14:58):
Isaac Newton had this.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Side to him.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
So Keenes, the economist, bought these papers and then wrote
a couple of books about it and revealed it to
the world. He was more a theologian than he was
a into physics, but he had to hide one from everyone. Wow, wow,
how interesting. Brilliant guy. Obviously one of the more balance
spare times. Maybe I'll go ahead and invent modern mathematics.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
One of the more brilliant people that have ever lived.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
And the fact that he had to hide all that
from everybody, and it just fairly recently got discovered by
a famous economist, which, yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
All of history is grossly oversimplified, partly because you almost
have to. Although I just ran into a great unmasking
of the idiot sixteen nineteen project in the notion that
American slavery was so much worse than we and we
really invented slavery in the United States, Oh my god,
saying so much worse than other slavery in other parts
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of the world, and this obsession with self hatred, and
it's just not based on fact at all. But if
somebody with an authoritative sounding title tells a bunch of
youngsters that that's the truth, they believe it, and you
can't believe. You can't blame him, really, And it's troubling
because we've got a couple of generations and people with
really perverse beliefs about this country, and they're one hundred
(16:15):
percent certain that they're right. What are you gonna do,
do a better job of policing what's going on in schools?
For one thing, No freaking kidd, there's a decent chance
that book is being taught in your kid's school. Oh yeah, absolutely,
particularly in Blue States. Yes, it's absolutely obscene, and it's horsees.
It comes out of the south side of a northbound horse.
(16:37):
Yes it does. I mean, for one thing, the incredibly
tiny percentage of the Atlantic slave trade that ended up
in the continental United States. I mean it's a tiny percentage.
The vast majority of the slaves were sent to Central
and South America, and there's well, what time is it now?
We don't have time for this, but uh, maybe we'll
(16:58):
get onto that another time. But that many, many, many,
many more slaves survived in the territory that became the US,
or in the US than in South America, which is
why they have a lot of descendants here. Because if
you were sent to the to clear the jungles of Brazil,
you were gonna die.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
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Speaker 3 (17:40):
Maxwell, what the hell, ah boy, what do we got
coming up?
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Joe coming up?
Speaker 3 (17:50):
The young lady at the center of the Matt Gates allegations.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
What actually happened in that story?
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Nobody ends up looking great, really glaciousness Florida style. So
my son was on a boy scout hiking trip over
the weekend. As I've talked about a lot since he
joined Boy Scouts last March, I am so impressed with
that organization in particular, I'm Payton particularly. I'm excited about
(18:19):
having an organization out there that's helping young men the
way it clearly is, because man, the whole young men
landscape thing, for all kinds of different reasons that we've
been talking about for years is a little scary. The
fact that being a boy is considered a disease in school,
and the concept of toxic masculinity when you're just being
(18:41):
a dude, and just all those different things really weird
me out.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Well, especially if you have had the misfortune to be
born white, then you're seen as the center of all evil,
as taught in your local elementary school and on up
through the chain of miseducation.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
So Friday night, on his HBO show, Bill Maher had
this podcaster or NYE You, professor Matt Galloway on, and
they started talking about men in America and some of
the stats around it that are horrifying.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
The number of men I didn't realize this is a
percentage who live at home, still live with their parents.
What are those numbers.
Speaker 6 (19:16):
It's about thirty percent of men under the age of
twenty five, one and three are still at home. One
in five are still at home by the age of thirty.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
One in five at home at age thirty.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Yipes. He goes on, is that economic or emotional or both?
Speaker 6 (19:32):
I mean, effectively, what you have is they're up against
this indomitable anime. Forty percent of the SMP is now
ten companies whose primary mission is to get you is
glued to a screen for as long as possible, any minute.
They can keep you on a screen longer as billions
of dollars, and a young man's brain, which prefrontal cortex
is less mature, is more susceptible to that need for DOPA.
So what we've literally done, Bill is unwittingly built an
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economy which is dependent upon our ability to evolve a
new species of eight social asexual males. And what you
have is big tech, who is not our friend, is
trying to sequester people, especially young people, especially young men,
from the most important thing in our life, and that
is relationships.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
I've been trying to say that for years, but not
as eloquently as he just did. The greatest minds of
our time are trying to addict us to screens for
their own nefarious purposes.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
Well, i'd never heard that before, though. I didn't know,
because we all know about the dopamine hits that we
get from ding a new text, a new headline, a
new whatever. I didn't know that young men were more
susceptible to the dopamine hit than the rest of us.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
WHOA, Well, yeah, it's thrill seeking. That's that's what thrill
seeking is. And whether it's online thrills, you know. I'm
not sure I've ever been so disgusted by an advertisement
as I was, And I wish I had the quote
in front of me, But it was one of your
shooting people in war video games and it was dead serious.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Be a hero, a real hero, Call of Warfare three
or whatever.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Like that's the opposite of what you freaking are. You're
living at your parents' home just play acting being a hero.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Oh, you wouldn't think there'd be anything at the beginning
of this pre internet, if you just started out. We're
going to develop a product that'll make young men care
about this product more than they care about getting laid. Yeah,
good luck, I'd have said that's impossible. There's nothing that
matters more to young men than And it turns out
(21:32):
you came up with something.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Yeah, unless your project is oxygen, it's gonna fail.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
But they came up with this whole dopamine clicks thingy
that is anyway, he goes on.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Make sure you guys do not miss this stat So
here we go.
Speaker 6 (21:48):
Okay, Forty five percent of men eighteen to twenty four
have never asked a woman out in person. Sixty three
percent of men under the age of thirty are not
even pursuing a relationship.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
And if you think of.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Stop it, because I want you to start that again
so I can pay closer attention.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Holy crap. Okay, here we go.
Speaker 6 (22:08):
Forty five percent of men eighteen to twenty four have
never asked a woman out in person. Sixty three percent
of men under the age of thirty are not even
pursuing a relationship. And if you think about the most
rewarding things in your life, I mean, the things that
really matter, they are essentially relationships. What do they all
have in common? They're really damn hard. And unfortunately, big tech,
(22:29):
the most deep pocketed godlike technology in the world, is
trying to convince young men that they can have a
reasonable facsimilay of life online.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Why go through the.
Speaker 6 (22:37):
Pecking order of trying to establish friendships? And you got
readed in discord. Why put on a tie and navigate
the corporate world when you can trade crypto or stocks
on Robinhood or coinbase.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
And why would you go through the effort.
Speaker 6 (22:47):
The expense, and the potential rejection and humiliation of establishing
a romantic relationship when you have porn? I believe slowly
but surely, we're going to start to see fewer and
fewer young men out in the wild. Is they're going
to decide to sequest her? And if I could say
anything to young men, is that the anxiety and depression
you will eventually feel in your basement sequestered from other
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mammals is far greater than the fear of anything that
lays outside of that room for you.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
I'm not sure that argument's gonna work, but that stat
I'm glad he brought up the p word porn.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
I was wondering, is he be going to bring that up?
He did.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
Two thirds of men under thirty are not pursuing a relationship,
completely unheard of when I was a young man. Just
absolutely impossible that there would have been one person I
would have ever run into a guy my age who
wasn't pursuing a relationship.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
And just under half of eighteen to twenty four year
olds had never asked a woman to go do anything.
That's stunning. What's this? Galloway's first name, Mike Scott, that
is Scott Galloway. Okay, Yeah, I'm gonna follow him. And
I like the cut of his jim. He's talking, he's
(24:01):
spitting truth as they say. Wow, this is how many
times have we said this? If this was a different
species than Homo sapiens, the scientific world would be on
fire talking about it. Right, half of half.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
Of all alligators no longer want to be in swamps.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
What right, man, They're walking wrong along on hind legs
and trying to mate with beavers. I mean, this is
an astonishing change in the natural most deeply embedded behaviors
in a species happens to be humans.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
Maybe the flip side to look at it is the
only thing that was getting us out of the house.
Was this needing a little and we wanted it so
much we freaking threw on a tie. We left our home.
We went out there got an edgemacation if we did
all these different things just because we needed it so bad,
(25:00):
and once you eliminate that need, ah, I'm just gonna
stay in my parents' basement in sweats for the rest
of my life.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
That's sad, though it's.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
Of course it's sad, And obviously he's right, at the
end of the road, you'll be much sadder than you
would be with the pursuit and failure and all the
ups and downs of life. But I don't think that
your argument's going to work on young people. Just to
see your time horizon when you're young just doesn't work well.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Back to the impulsiveness of young people, particularly young men,
although let's not let the crazy angry militancy of young
women go without being remarked on in this discussion as well.
That's but I've got a couple of teens that.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Aloys different syndrome, but still a significant one. But like
my high schooler, we spent a lot of time together
over the weekend because his brother was on a camping
trip and he's going to be sixteen here in a
couple of months, and he has the same attitude every
sixteen year old has or I had.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
He talks about when I talk about you.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
When you're thirty. When I'm thirty, I don't mean, I
don't even care if I'm alive. When I'm thirty, who
cares about being thirty? I mean, thirty is so far
off when you're sixteen you can't even imagine it. You know,
we'll be flying around in cars and all kinds of
stuff by the time you're thirty. So so pitching to
young people the idea, I mean, I do this. I've
done this with my own kids, and it seems to
(26:21):
be working so far. But pitching the you know by
the time you're forty, ultimately you'll be sad.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
If you do this. I hope that works. Yeah, you know,
it's funny. I was reminiscing with a couple of buddies
that it had been eleven years since we played our
last show as a rock and roll band, and I thought,
good lord, eleven years. Then I thought, that's all of
high school, all of college in the first three years
of your career, which is enormously impactful and is forever
(26:51):
in youthful years, you know, to your point, when I'm
thirty telling a sixteen year old that please right, no, right, no, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
If you if you continue down this path when you're thirty,
you're going to be unhappy with your choices.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
I've done a lot of people. There will soon be.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
A religion, a philosophy, and it will be popular.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
It will be very, very popular. It might be a
smallish minority of humans, but it will be an anti
tech religion slash ethos that people will latch onto. I
think it is building. How widespread it is, I don't know.
I am prepared to be your leader. I will not
be sexing up your younger women, at least at first
(27:37):
that appeas to you, because every one of these like
insular cult like organizations ends up with the leaders sexing
up the young women. So I just figured.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
So to the point that half of young adult men
have never asked a girl out, and two thirds of
men under thirty are not looking for a relationship at all.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Imagine being a young woman.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
Good lord, You're a twenty six year old getting your
act together, thinking of having a family someday, woman, and
two thirds of dudes out there are not even thinking
about looking for a relationship. Holy crap, No wonder you're
holding hands with a girl you got no choice and this.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Wow, and this came out of nowhere. Okay, this came
on so quickly societally. But there's so much money being made.
It's propping up the stock market, for instance, tech in general.
This sort of thing is not being said nearly as
much as it should be.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
Man, Michael, you promised our minds would be blown by
those stats. You were successful. That is some troubling, troubling stuff.
You did not lie the Armstrong and Getty show.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Yeah, your show, podcasts and our hot lakes.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Here, what is that you're wondering. That's a bunch of idiots.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
It's a bunch of hurlds off cliffs, A bunch of
idiots that should be hurled off cliffs and make those noises.
That's a bunch of idiots in Portland who get together
every week and scream it out how much they hate Trump.
Have some kids, and you won't have time for this crap.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
I don't even have the energy to respond to that.
How Portland does that? Oh? And look how enlightened you are.
You're screaming about Trump? Why because you don't like him?
And you probably think what he's the new hitler. That's intriguing,
good Lord, I don't even have the energy.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
So Elon Musk did an interview yesterday and he was
asked about DOGE. He gets asked about lots of things,
because he does lots of things as a world's richest man.
He's no longer convinced his crusade to clean up government
waste through the Apartment of Government Efficiency better known as DOGE,
was worth the chaos at unleashed. I can see why
he would think that. He's deeply unsure whether his high
(30:09):
profile stint running Washington's most memorable agency actually worked, says
a New York Post. In a wide ranging and at
times philosophical interview on some podcast I had never heard of,
he said there was like probably one hundred maybe two
hundred billion dollars worth of zombie payments per year, he said,
noting DOGE shut down only a fraction of it. Those
(30:32):
are their payments that are go out for things that
either don't exist or shouldn't exist, and everybody knows they
shouldn't exist, haven't been closed down officially yet or whatever,
And they got about a a tiny percentage of it
shut down, he said. Cutting off even that much cash
came with serious blowback. If you stop money going to
political corruption, they will lash out big time.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
They really want to keep the money flowing, he said.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
He said, I wouldn't say I was super illusioned to
begin with. He was asking if he was disillusion I
wouldn't say I was super illusioned to begin with, he shrugged,
before launching into a blistering critique of government spending. Despite
the heavy political talk, the X owner frequently veered into
the personal. He confessed that AI nightmares still jolt him
(31:17):
awake many days in a row.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
Well, if you're twenty percent convinced that something you're building
is going to destroy humankind, which he is, I could
see why maybe you'd wake up worried about that. I
have not had an AI nightmare as yet. I had
a radio nightmare last night. What was it was, Oh,
trying to hook up some equipment or something like that,
trying to get the microphones work on the show and
(31:42):
I couldn't or whatever.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
What does that mean? I've got a lot of loose
ends in my life right now.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
I'm having trouble getting to work the way I want
them to work, family, structuring, all these different sort of things.
It was clearly that I just couldn't get a task accomplished.
The frustration of this is not coming together with the
way I wanted to. I think that was kind of it. Yeah,
or I ate spicy food. There's more of gravy than
(32:10):
the grave about you.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
That's a quote from a Christmas carol. And the nature
of diet versus bad dreams.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
There's two things interesting I thought in that Elon Musk interview.
One the fact that he like lots of people, like
lots of normal people who touch Washington, d C. And
have other things to do in their lives. They realize
there's no fixing this swamp. You know, there are other
people that go there and think I need to be
part of this. That's how I'm going to become rich,
(32:40):
And they do lots and lots of people.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
But he's already rich, so he doesn't need to do that.
He just gave it a world thought.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
Man, people go nuts when you try to cut anything,
including things that are completely worthless.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
He talks about.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
How, you know, if I hadn't done that, people wouldn't
be setting my cars on fire. So I kind of
wish I hadn't gotten involved.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Yeah, you know what's I think it's way more interesting
than it seems, way more significant than it seems on
the surface. That if I'm part of the swamp, profiting
from it mightily and spreading out money and enhancing my
own wealth and power, fiscal responsibility even over there doesn't
(33:22):
affect me directly. It's a zombie program, you know, whatever
you're gonna fight. It reminds me the Omni cause where
you got you know, Native American lesbians standing up for
Palestinian terrorists and whatever. You can't let anybody cut anything. Ever, Well,
it's a call for fiscal responsibility. I mean, that is
(33:44):
the penicillin that would end your you know, infection in DC. Sure,
it's an example of they came for the payouts to
dead people social Security checks and I said nothing, right.
And the next thing, you came for the Department of
the Interior, whatever that does, and I said nothing exactly, yeah,
And it.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
Came for my scam, and there was no one left
to fight for me.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
It's profoundly discouraging too, Yes, it is. And I forgot
to mention this.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
So I saw this portrayed in a couple of different
mainstream organizations.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Is kind of like a huh huh. He got his
kind of showed him exactly. We showed him.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
Dare try to step in and cut anything out of
the government. What is wrong with you?
Speaker 2 (34:27):
Yeah, that's another interesting question. When tribalism leads people to
defend the indefensible, I mean literally indefensible. You cannot with
a straight face in favor of government waste.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
I don't understand how being a progressive fits in with
making sure dead people get their Social Security checks.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
I don't get it, this knee jerk tribalism like I
was talking about. You know, I've got a really really good, thorough, interesting,
thought provoking description of what's going on with the whole
Obamacare subsidy debate right now, and it's the sort of
coverage you won't get anywhere else. And part of me
(35:06):
doesn't want to even bother.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
Once again, Michael, it's number two cry for help, second
cry for help in one show. Oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
cry for I'm through with this crap. I think we
got to do a wellness check.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
I'm gonna call someone during the break, call anybody you
want who gives a crap. It's all for not We'll
all be dead soon.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
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