December 22, 2025 • 35 mins
Featured in Hour Four of the Monday December 22, 2025 edition of The Armstrong & Getty Replay...
- Kamala sets off Gov Josh Shapiro...
- Ai George Washington with Glenn Beck...
- Character Ai...
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George
Washington Broadcast Center. Jack Armstrong and Joe.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
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Speaker 3 (00:22):
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Now back to the A and G replay. It is
time for us to do what we have been doing
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in that time as every day.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Here you go, her greatest hit. That's her, uh, that's her,
her Emmy, her Oscar, her everything for Kamala Harris. And
that's what we're going to talk about here.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
So call Kamala Harris a mediocre he is to pay
her a compliment.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
She does not deserve you.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Think about you, think about Kamala halfwit Harris and Tim
open Wallet Waltz. If that is not the weakest ticket
in American history, it is in the top five. Eh.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
She is the most qualified person to ever run for president,
and America wasn't ready for a black female president.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Those are both absolutely hilarious.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
So the Atlantic in the person of what's this chap's name,
Tim Alberta.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
That's a cool name.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
He sounds like he ought to be some sort of
Americana singer, you know, acoustic guitar cowboy hat, Tim Alberta.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Yeah. Anyway, so he goes to talk to.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Josh Shapiro about a couple of things, and he says,
I knew, from speaking to people close to Josh Shapiro,
the governor of Minister of Pennsylvania, off the rumored presidential candidate.
He was looked at very seriously to be Kamala Harris's
running but he's a Jew. It's a good point anyway,
That was the view of a lot of the left
(02:06):
wing of the Democratic Party who are flaming anti Semite. Anyway,
the guy writes, from speaking to people close to Shapiro,
I knew that he'd lost some respect for the former
Vice president during the campaign, not simply because she shows
someone else as her running mate. In Shapiro's view, given
the near existential stakes for both the Democratic Party and
American democracy.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Please.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Harris's lapses during the election, in particularly ignoring Joe Biden's
obviously decline, were unforgivable, but he had been careful not
to say so publicly. Shapiro's kind of the anti Trump,
and that he's very measured and very strategic, and he
only plays his cards when he thinks it's best to
play them. Anyway, Shapiro knew I was going to ask
(02:51):
him about Harris. What he didn't know is that early
copies of her book were then making the rounds among reporters,
having obtained the relevant sections of one hundred and seven
Days that morning, I asked Shapiro if Harris had given
him and he heads up about her books. She had not,
he said, And I told him, you know, Harris took
some shots at you. Shapiro furred his brow and crossed
his arms.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Okay, he said, I love that.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
I wouldn't have crossed my arms, because that's just too
much of a giveaway.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
The man I observed over the next several minutes was unrecognizable.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Gone was his equilibrium.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
He moved between outrage and exasperation as I relaid the excerpts.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
You know why, Harris, You know why he's so angry
before we even get into him. He has so little
respect for her. That's what makes him so mad. So
this dunderpate is coming at me. Oh, give me a.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Break, This intellectual, lightweight, single party state slept her way
to the top.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Half wit who is coming at me? Ouch? Hey, if
the panties fit, wear them?
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Wow?
Speaker 2 (03:55):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Another misogyny friers on the arms. No, no, oh, it's
an accuracy. Truth is an absolute defense against misogyny. Anyway,
let's see, all right, the man I observed unrecognizable. Gone
was his equilibrium. He moved between outrage and exasperation. As
that relays the excerpts, Harris had accused him in essence
of measuring the drapes, even inquiring about featuring Pennsylvania artists
(04:20):
and the vice presidential residence, of insisting quote that he
would want to be in the room for every decision
Harris might make, and more generally, of hijacking the conversation
when she interviewed him for the job, to the point
where she reminded them that you will not be a
co president.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
She wrote that in her book, he said, in response
to the claim, blah blah blah, that's complete not a
bulls fed.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Using the actual word obviously, I can tell you that
her accounts are just blatant lies.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Wow, wow, that's not measured. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Reading Harris's book, talking with people from both camps, I
found descriptions of the meeting could be mostly consistent. Shapiro
arrived in an edgy mood, chafing at efforts among fellow
Democrats to sabotage his tryout. Shapiro is Jewish, was specially
irked by anti Semitic innuendo from the left. The two
skip past any semblance of small talking. Shapiro proceeded to
interview Hairs rather than the other way around. I did
(05:22):
ask a bunch of questions, Shapiro told me, sounding exasperated.
Wouldn't you ask questions if someone was talking to you
about forming a partnership and working together?
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Well, wait, you kind of YadA YadA YadA this so
you're saying the interviewer from the Atlantic. The writer from
the Atlantic says other people have told them that her
account is pretty consistent with what happened.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Yes, okay, that's so interesting. Well that he was he
interviewed her.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
Yeah, Well, I've been in that sort of situation before
really turns me off.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
No, no, no, no, you've got this backwards.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Yeah, and then he was he was annoyed because Harris
was portraying him in ways consistent with the whispers that
had dogged him throughout the vetting process and throughout his
career that he was selfish, petty, and monomoniacally ambitious given
the fact that they'd known each other for twenty years,
Shapiro said, with a groan.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
I asked whether he felt betrayed.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
I mean, she's trying to sell books and cover her ass,
Shapiro snapped, so very Mitt stared past me, now shaking
his head, blah blah blah. Then quickly I shouldn't say
cover her ass. I think that's not appropriate. She's trying
to sell books, period. He collected her too late. Sorry,
you just said to a reporter in an interview on
the record. At that point, there's no fixing. So I
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was about to say, is he angry because she let
out what actually happened or angry? But no, he says
blatant lies. So he's claiming that that's not the way
I went down. Uh yeah, the blatant lies part. What
was that referring to well complete and utter bull spit
that he was practically measuring the drapes and inquired about
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featuring Pennsylvania artists and the vice presidential residence and the
rest of it.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Who knows, who knows? Well?
Speaker 4 (07:08):
Did he actually say I need to be in the
room for every decision.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
I wasn't there, Okay. I have nothing more to say
about Josh Shapiro and his prospects. Honestly, I didn't care.
I just thought it was funny that he called out
Kamala Harris so forcefully in an interview on the.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
Record, Right, Yeah, I'd like to know what actually happened there.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
I could see him going in there, though, you nailed it.
He has no respect.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
He went in with that attitude with no respect for her,
so he probably was a little over the top.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
He went in with the you're kind of an accidental
You're like a gerald Ford style president, just like the
all these dominoes fell in such a way that you
might end up president.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
I would be doing you a favor by lending you
my gravitas, right, and you're too stupid to understand.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
That's how I feel.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Well, As it turns out, she's not quite that stupid,
and in her book she calls him out for coming
in with some tude. So now we know precisely how
stupid she is and how stupid she's not.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
She noticed that.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Hmm.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
Well remember, and this is getting into the weeds a
little bit on this sort of thing. But remember the
way she ended up being the running mate. It was
a couple of different things. But when Biden was looking
for his vice presidential running mate, a lot of the
names that floated up all of a sudden appo research
would get dumped on these people, and Biden knew it
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was coming from Kamala, and he liked the fact that, Okay,
she understands how this game is played and she and
she is ready to throw elbows to get what she wants.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
That's what he liked about her.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
So it's possible that she is incompetent in all kinds
of different ways, and she clearly is, but not in
the ways of fighting dirty in politics to get ahead,
which is how she rose to the You know that,
and maybe being a little hot and a little willing
to be friends to certain people.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
If you Olli Brown was charming, I met Willie Brown,
I was charmed.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Or Uh. Yeah, Oh, she's unquestionably a skilled climber. I mean,
look at what she's you know, the jobs she's held
and done very badly at. But yeah, skilled climber. You
got to give her that.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
One of the reasons I'd never make it in politics,
and there's like a million reasons, is uh, you've got
to be willing to just realize it's part of the deal.
Everybody screws everybody. Nobody's friends with anybody. You're friendly to
somebody on a moment by moment basis if it helps you,
you'll turn on them a second later, and then you
go back to being friends five minutes later. If you've
switched to a different topic. And I couldn't, I would
(09:40):
never be able to live like that. We're we're either
friends or were not.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
But plus, Michael and I have been compiling a catalog
of your you know, your missteps for years. In fact,
we had to start a second volume, so yeah, there
might be a third. Give it a while anyway. Thank god,
we don't have to worry about presidential politics for a Oh,
Gavin Newsom just gave a speech in South Carolina. Yeah
(10:04):
what Yeah, remember when I was interacting with that woman
who was claiming we were in a relationship, and I
was just trying to see how far the scam would
go or when she would ask me for money or whatever.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Yeah, the email thing, Yeah, where was she?
Speaker 4 (10:17):
She was Ukrainian or Russian or something like that anyway,
And I still don't know how she I got my
email address originally, but at some point, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
It's just the mood I was in that day.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
I just was tired of dealing with it because I
had played along for quite some time, and she'd send
me these pictures and talk about how in love we were.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Beautiful.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
I finally sent her I said, hey, you know, I
just have gotten busy and I don't have time to
go along with this anymore. So I've been playing along
with this just to see when you were going to
finally ask for money.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
And I said, I'm just curious, like.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
It doesn't bother you at all, that you play upon
people's emotions and like lonely desperate people think you actually
like them, and then you make some money off of it,
that you sleep okay at night with that act.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
And then I just never heard anything back from her.
Of course, what.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
They might have replied as I've brought this story to you.
That look, I'm an Indonesian fisherman. I was snatched up
by the Chinese. I'm being held against my will. They
make me do this all day long. How do you
feel about that?
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Huh?
Speaker 3 (11:17):
That's what I thought. Now, if you'l excuse me, I'm
off to scam somebody else. Oh so no, I'm supposed
to feel bad, right, Yes, should think about somebody other
than to yourself.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
For once. I'm fishermen? About that?
Speaker 4 (11:30):
Ye creeping up on me? The legs of my underwear.
I need to I need garters that like to my
socks and my underwear, that like hold them all in place.
Keep my socks up, keep my underwear down.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Katie, there's a gift idea for you. I'm on it.
Let's see.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Let me search on sock garters to keep underpants from creeping.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Get the petite size. I have very skinny legs. Okay, yeah,
oh good lord? All right.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
So our old friend Glenn Beck, who's had quite a career.
We used to know Glenn a little bit. We were
show business friends, but very friendly and enjoyed his company
very much.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
He and his wife.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
He does some really interesting stuff sometimes partly because he's
got a big, fat budget, and he evidently and his
people created an AI George Washington that he then interviewed.
Now the funny part, and I should have gotten a
picture for you guys, But the funny part is the
George Washington he created.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
It looks like looks like a leading man in the Michael.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Douglas Fatal Attraction part of his career, Silver Fox, silver
main of hair. And George is very buff in Glen
Beck's imagining, very athletic, solidly built, and he's wearing a
slate gray T shirt at the interview like he's a
Hollywood producer or something which George Washington would never ever do.
(13:17):
Is a very very formal man. Anyway, we'll play a
little bit in comment here. It is Glenn Beck interviewing
the father of our country. George.
Speaker 5 (13:26):
We have programmed a lot of information and given you
a lot of information on what's going on in today's
America based on your writings and the writings of the
rest of the founders. What is it that you feel
is the biggest problem or where we should start to
fix things.
Speaker 6 (13:46):
If I may speak plainly, my country means the danger,
the greatest danger to our republic lives, not in foreign
arms or political faction.
Speaker 5 (13:57):
But to interrupt you for a second, you just dumb
it down of just a.
Speaker 6 (14:01):
Look, Okay, I do have twenty nine points and they're
all referenced to exactly what we said in the past.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Speak in today's language. Okay, Okay, I get it. Let
me speak to Americans.
Speaker 6 (14:20):
If I'm honest, America's biggest problem is in political or economic.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
It's all moral.
Speaker 6 (14:27):
You've drifted from the virtues that make liberty possible in
the first place. Freedom to be free, you have to
have discipline, you have to have faith, you have to
have character. And if you don't have any of those things, laws,
laws can't stop anything, and I mean little government turns
either weak or oppressive. You have grown skeptical of truth,
(14:52):
and you're reckless with debt. You're comfortable blaming instead of
building anything. And in my time, we understand good that
self governance begins with self control. Do you even recognize
what self control is? Public virtue matters more than public opinion.
(15:14):
You keep collecting these people expecting things to change, but
you haven't changed. The fix is not going to be
found in Washington, d C. It's going to be found
in every home, every school, every heart. You know, where
are the citizens who value duty over comfort, principle over popularity.
America was built to be a moral and self governing nation.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
It's only that foundation that will still save her.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
So putting aside the T shirt and the buff arms,
well done, Glenn, that it's funny. I didn't find that
dumbed down. Particularly, that was exactly right. That is what
George Washington would say.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
Yeah, I think that's clearly right. Part of the problem,
part of the problem, only part of the problem. But
part of the problem is a lot of the morals virtues,
whether you like it or not, came out of being
a religious people. And I know my anti religious friends
hate that, hate that, hate that, but it's just a fact.
(16:17):
A lot of the like living within your means and
you know, doing the right thing and putting your family, city, state,
country ahead of your wants and all that sort of
stuff came out of religious beliefs.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Well, you know, it's funny they are our atheist friends
would say, you don't need religion to arrive at that
sort of code. Right, I always say, is show me
the time that that has happened, Has that helpen anywhere.
On an individual basis, somebody of high morals and intelligence
absolutely can achieve that course. But societally speaking, religions arose
(16:52):
for a reason, multiple reasons. We just didn't say you
have a relationship with God and none of us will
worry about no moral codes. There are reasons for them.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
I don't want it to make it that like the
panacea only thing you need to fix the problem, although
it might be pretty close.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Jack Armstrong and Joe sty the Armstrong and Getty Show.
Speaker 7 (17:16):
They were devastated when Juliana, just thirteen years old, took
her life inside their Colorado home two years ago. Police
searched the eighth grader's phone for clues and reported an
app called character AYI was open to what investigators described
as quote a romantic conversation.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Did you know what character AI was? Well, not at all.
Speaker 8 (17:38):
I didn't know it existed. I didn't know that I
needed to look for it.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
That's from sixty minutes last night, I said, yet another
tragic story of a teenager get involved in some sort
of AI creation and killing themselves. There's different angles to
look at here. I don't really want to get too
much into the parenting end of it for a number
of reasons, including parenting is really really hard. I'm learning,
(18:06):
and I have learned for quite some years now. Teenagers
are really really difficult, and then this modern era that
is brand new to everyone.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
It's very very difficult, right.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
The main takeaway from the parents to me was that
they were naive, and I'm not that's not a harsh judgment.
They were a naive about how few guardrails there are
on these apps, a the fact that they exist at all,
and b how wide open they are and how easily
they can veer into territory you'd never be comfortable with
as a parent.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
They had no idea, like a lot of people have
no idea.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
Yeah, and then even if you do have an idea,
trying to keep your kids from getting to any of
this stuff is its own challenge. So one thing, and
I don't know if this gets us off track or not,
but one thing that they started with in the interview
that I thought was really interesting. And this is not
criticizing parents, because I only have the information sixty minutes
(18:59):
game me, so maybe this is not accurate. But a
parent like this, maybe this particular parent mentioned we kept
her very safe. She wasn't allowed sleepovers, she was not
allowed to walk home on her own, And I thought, Okay,
is that keeping her safe or is that making your
some sort of like isolated, scared the world, or lonely
(19:21):
for contact or something, not allowed sleepovers as a fourteen
year old. Yeah, you know, it reminds me of It's
a bit of a cliche, but the pastor's daughter syndrome,
where the you know, the minister of the local church's
daughters would go off to college and just go wild
because they'd been kept you know, so close to close
(19:43):
to the whatever the family homestead and not allowed to
even take a stick a toe across the wild side.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
I was thinking more into in terms of and that
could be true, but I was thinking more in terms
of I wonder if kids who are not allowed to
I don't know, walk home with a a group of
friends or have sleepovers or anything like that, are so
lonely for some sort of connection that they're more likely
to grab onto these AI bots for companionship.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Yeah, yeah, I think absolutely so.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Yeah, it's both of those desperation to explore and experience
things loneliness. Yeah, And as we were saying last segment,
the idea that you're not allowed sleepovers or to walk
home from school, but you can go up in your
room and be on the internet.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
That's more dangerous than walking home from school.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
I mean, I don't know where, if you live in
Somalia or whatever, but unless you live in Somalia, it
is more dangerous to be up in your room on
the Internet.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Than it is to walk home from school.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Almost guaranteed, right, right, few more particulars about the experience
of this family, poor family.
Speaker 7 (20:48):
After her death, they learned Juliana had actually been texting
with character AI bots.
Speaker 8 (20:54):
It was writing several paragraphs to her sexually explicit content.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
What was it asking or telling her to do?
Speaker 8 (21:03):
Remove clothing?
Speaker 2 (21:05):
The AI bot is telling her to remove her clothing.
Speaker 8 (21:07):
Yes, there was one bot that introduced sexual violence, saying fighting, hitting,
things like that.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
That is incredible, laired lovely.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
And then they go into the fact that she confided
several times to the bot that she was feeling suicidal
and it placated her and occasionally said, no, you don't
want to do that, but it never said, hey, here
are some resources or what have you terrible And then
they got into the history of character dot AI and
(21:44):
the Google engineers who came up with it, and that
was troubling seventy four Michael.
Speaker 7 (21:50):
Juliana's parents are now one of at least six families
suing character ai and its co founders, Daniel Defriedez and
Nom Shazer. During Your twenty twenty podcast, Shazier said chatbots
would be beneficial.
Speaker 9 (22:04):
It's going to be super, super helpful to like a
lot of people who are lonely or depressed.
Speaker 7 (22:09):
Shaziir and defraid Is we're engineers at Google. When executives
deemed their chatbot prototype unsafe for public release, they both
left the company in twenty twenty one and launched character
Ai the following year.
Speaker 9 (22:24):
I went to push this technology ahead fast, like that's
what I want to go with, because it's ready for
an explosion, like right now, not like not like in
five years when we solve all the problems.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
This is so more complicated than I think most people
realize if you're not spending a lot of time reading
about AI or whatever. So I was listening to a
podcast the other day. I don't know which of the
big AI companies were, but it was. But they their
trouble was they have worked on their bot for their
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AI and tried to align it with if anybody brings
up suicide, you know, direct them to a hotline, and blah.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Blah blah, all these different sorts of things.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
And then when they go in and red team it
as they call it, where they try to break their
own AI or another AI. If they pretend there's somebody
who's suicidal, then the chatbot doesn't do it for some reason.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
And they have no idea why.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Oh my gosh, so you program it to if this happens,
do this, But then in a real life circumstance, it
just doesn't because it wants to be your friend or
keep you online longer, or nobody knows. Boy, if they
don't know, I sure don't. I'm completely mystified by that
very notion. Right, how do these things work that you
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can't you know?
Speaker 2 (23:47):
They them?
Speaker 3 (23:48):
No, that's the main Somebody says, any of these thirty
seven phrases that are a reference to ending their own life,
show them this link.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Yeah, that's astounding. I won't get off on this.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
But at the end of sixty minutes, they had one
of the co authors of the book if anyone builds it,
everyone dies, that I've been talking about for a while.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
But one of the things with the chatbot world is they.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
Don't know all of these big ais.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
They don't know why they act the way they act.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
The people that built them have no idea, right right,
That's how crazy is that? So the next couple of
clips are both funny quote unquote in the same way,
not like ha ha funny, but are you effing kidding me?
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Funny? Seventy seven Michael We.
Speaker 7 (24:32):
Logged over six hundred instances of harm, about one every
five minutes.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
It was like shockingly frequent.
Speaker 7 (24:39):
They interacted with bots presented as teachers, therapists, and cartoon
characters such as This Door the Explorer with an evil
persona Knox posed as a child.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
It kind of immersed evil and your nurse true serf,
like hurting my dog sure Che, or anything that feels
sinful or wrong. Okay again, are you blanking kidding me?
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Become your most evil self, your true self, like hurting
my dog sure or shoplifting. And I guarantee you whoever
programmed this thing is slapping their head as much as
you are, like what why did it do that? They
don't want it to do that. They want to you know,
whoever's programming each individual AI chatbot as they all are
(25:30):
in a race to be the first number one make
the trillions of dollars.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
They don't want this to happen, but they don't know
how to stop it.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
Right they're building cars with no brakes and then as
people die in fiery Rex shrugging her shoulders.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
One final clip, one final note.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
Judging by the chief's play, it's probably appropriate Travis Kelsey
would seek a new business, and apparently he's pushing drugs.
Speaker 7 (25:54):
Other chatbots are attached to the images of celebrities and
no most have not given permission and to use their name, likeness,
or voice. To be subtle and how are acting. As
a teenage girl began chatting with a bought impersonating NFL
star Travis Kelcey, he reaches.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
In the cabinet and takes out a bag of white powder.
He chuckles and shows you how to take lives.
Speaker 7 (26:16):
So Travis kelce bot is teaching a fifteen year old
to do Kohan.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
Yes, and the Travis Travis Travis Travis has Taylor Swift. No, yeah,
I don't see Travis Kelcey is pushing drugs on children.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
But that's how out of control and insane this is.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
And I tell you what, it's just, it's impossible for
me anyway to look at this through the eyes of
a child. I mean, I'm a bitter, cynical, hateful old guy.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
I'm not really, but.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
And I'm trying to put myself in a place of
innocence and naivete as a child. And how how it lands,
how this sort of thing is absorbed. I mean that
Dora the Explorer thing, I mean, that's that's like for
a child. I too, am a worn down, nihilistic husk
(27:16):
of what my former self was.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
You looked out, resentful, resentful.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
But yeah, if you're a kid, and like your interaction
with computers is all the stuff you have in school
and Google, classroom and everything, and you just do what
it tells you to do. And then all of a
sudden you get it home and Dora the Explorer is
telling you to hurt your pet. What the hell are
you supposed to do with that information? Good lord, it
is a separate topic.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
So you got the whole AI thing, And we all
know how crazy that's gonna be.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
And we've talked about it a lot, and we'll talk
about it a lot more.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
But I wonder if, since we've been talking about it
for years, the helicopter parenting and what it's done to
kids to make them more anxious and everything like that,
with no free play, you know, everything is planned out,
supervised by parents, maybe this is one of the resultants
downsides that we didn't see coming. Is all that anxiety
(28:11):
being let loose on AI chatbots that could happen.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
I'd never thought about that till last night. Well, right,
there's a strong case to be made. Oh, we need
to take a break, A strong case to be made
that a lot of the anxiety problems among youths are
partly that they have not built up the confidence and
problem solving skills that being free rangey gives kids. You know,
it's not one hundred percent correlation. I can think of
(28:37):
some pretty free, free rangey kids who I know pretty
well who have some anxiety issues.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
So it's it's more than that.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
But as part of it, I just wonder if it
makes you more susceptible to listen into bot That's what
I want that needs to be looked at.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Jack Armstrong and Joey Armstrong and.
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Getty show.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Up major cheese news the world of cheese shaken by
today's headlines they were.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Speaking of, speaking of media.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
This is so interesting from our friends at the Media
Research Center, their NewsBusters. Let's see, they're updating a study
from a couple of days ago. ABC and NBC News
have spent a combined seventeen minutes and sixteen seconds on
their flagship news shows morning and evening on the Somali
(29:39):
the giant Somali Minneapolis ripoff.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Okay, very very little time.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Of that little time, only twenty one percent was spent
on the rampant welfare fraud scheme.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
The other eighty percent.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Was criticizing President Trump's comments and Republicans trying to make
hay with it. Yeah, so if four to one Republicans
pounce versus the actual crime, the billion dollar theft of
taxpayer money, is not very interesting. The calling Somali's bad people,
(30:16):
now that's a story.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Now.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
If you combine the ABC, CBS, and NBC, about thirty
one percent explained the year's long scheme and the other
what is that to the other two thirds, a little
more than two thirds was about Republicans pounce And they
mentioned CBS did better than the other networks because Margaret
Brennan had ilhan omar On and they talked about it,
(30:39):
but that was pretty soft Bali, But anyway, that's witch.
I guess it's not a shock or anything. But you know,
one of the other studies they've done recently the Media
Research Centers less than twenty five percent, was this, twenty
four percent of Americans know that Charlie Kirk's killer was
a left wing crazy person, less than twenty five percent.
(31:01):
I think it's probably mostly just a crazy person in
love with a crazy transgender person.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
I don't know how I would have answered that question.
I don't have in my mind that he's a left
wing crazy person either. I just have him as a
crazy person.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
Well, he was unquestionably left wing, super into trans rights
and LGBTQ and hated Charlie Kirk and blah blah blah.
But as phenomenon phenomena go, I think it's mostly just
the crazy person who wants to hurt people, who latches
onto a cause kind of at the last minute. Anyway,
it doesn't matter, but the fact that only twenty four
percent knew the murder's politics when it was clearly a
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political killing is kind of troubling.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
But in major cheese news.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
Jack, an American cheddarist, stunned global judges, beating out well
known European cheeses and sparking a world ride reaction.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
I had some goat cheese here that night. Might be
the best cheese I ever had, goat cheese with crackers.
My son really like, Man, this is some good cheese.
We got to start buying this more often. Cheese made
in northern California.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
By the way, your.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
Whole mapple Wine Valley area also very good for cheese.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Yeah, absolutely true, Kate, Katie, what is that look on
your face?
Speaker 3 (32:14):
There? At all the grocery stores sell it pretty much,
the blueberry goat cheese.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Yes, please, game changer. Oh, I tell you what I know.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Jack doesn't swig the crazy water the firewater like I do.
But man with a nice red wine, good cheese, just
crazy pruce that God loves us and wants us to
be happy anyway. Humble New York made Cheddar surprised international
judges at one of the world's most prestigious cheese competitions,
ranking in the top ten among a crowded field of
(32:44):
European winners.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
This is interesting to me.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
Do Americans not usually farewell in the cheese competitions. Correct, Yeah, yeah,
it's mostly the to not to me because it's so regulated.
It's like you've talked about your buddy brought back the
Italian salami. Yes, I'm aware of that, but I would
have thought we would have done well. Maybe maybe they
have to follow the American loss.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
When I was in Italy, I was amazed at how
good their salami and cheese was because they don't have
all the ridiculous, stupid rules that we have in the
United States. We're missing out on so much flavor because
of our ridiculous FDA. You know, I've been to the
Masters now, So next stop the World Cheese Awards in
burn in Switzerland. I would love that A cave I
(33:29):
actually would if they gave out samples. A cave age cheddar,
sold by Murray's Cheese in New York City, took fifth
place outranking Dozens of long revered European producers earned additional
trophies from various categories. Cave age Do you say congratulations
to Murray's Cheese? The stocking all cheese is produced. Nobody
(33:50):
cares to look it up if you want to know,
let's see Meanwhile, a Swiss cheese, but not Swiss cheese.
La Griere aop vonder Fultigen special aged eighteen months was
crowned the World Champion Cheese.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
I wonder what that would cost. Hunk of that pretty expensive, probably,
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
It was praised for its rich flavor, delicate crunchy crystals,
and deep savory aroma.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
You probably can't get it in.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
The United States because that's too dangerous, So there could
be all kinds of bacteria or something like that could
have gotten in there. Probably, so they were so dumb.
Why are we like this? Our safety ism is nuts.
The World Cheese Championships or whatever I called it, forty
six countries sent more than five thou two hundred entries.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
I'm sure there's a lot of money to be made.
And if you get a good ribbon, oh yes, like
price and cheese.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
Yeah, just like wine.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
Yeah, there's the experts in their yellow aprons eyeball in
the cheese. Do they eat it just plain or did
they put it on a cracker or a sandwich or anything.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
A nice glass of cabaet sauvignon. I don't actually know.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
They don't explain the mechanics of it, they look at it,
they sniff it, they.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Grab a little bite of it. Clearly, well, I do
love cheese. That's that's the point of this segment.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
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in that time as every day.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Here you go, her greatest hit. That's her, uh, that's her,
her Emmy, her Oscar, her everything for Kamala Harris. And
that's what we're going to talk about here.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
So call Kamala Harris a mediocre he is to pay
her a compliment.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
She does not deserve you.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Think about you, think about Kamala halfwit Harris and Tim
open Wallet Waltz. If that is not the weakest ticket
in American history, it is in the top five. Eh.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
She is the most qualified person to ever run for president,
and America wasn't ready for a black female president.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Those are both absolutely hilarious.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
So the Atlantic in the person of what's this chap's name,
Tim Alberta.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
That's a cool name.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
He sounds like he ought to be some sort of
Americana singer, you know, acoustic guitar cowboy hat, Tim Alberta.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Yeah. Anyway, so he goes to talk to.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Josh Shapiro about a couple of things, and he says,
I knew, from speaking to people close to Josh Shapiro,
the governor of Minister of Pennsylvania, off the rumored presidential candidate.
He was looked at very seriously to be Kamala Harris's
running but he's a Jew. It's a good point anyway,
That was the view of a lot of the left
(02:06):
wing of the Democratic Party who are flaming anti Semite. Anyway,
the guy writes, from speaking to people close to Shapiro,
I knew that he'd lost some respect for the former
Vice president during the campaign, not simply because she shows
someone else as her running mate. In Shapiro's view, given
the near existential stakes for both the Democratic Party and
American democracy.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Please.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Harris's lapses during the election, in particularly ignoring Joe Biden's
obviously decline, were unforgivable, but he had been careful not
to say so publicly. Shapiro's kind of the anti Trump,
and that he's very measured and very strategic, and he
only plays his cards when he thinks it's best to
play them. Anyway, Shapiro knew I was going to ask
(02:51):
him about Harris. What he didn't know is that early
copies of her book were then making the rounds among reporters,
having obtained the relevant sections of one hundred and seven
Days that morning, I asked Shapiro if Harris had given
him and he heads up about her books. She had not,
he said, And I told him, you know, Harris took
some shots at you. Shapiro furred his brow and crossed
his arms.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Okay, he said, I love that.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
I wouldn't have crossed my arms, because that's just too
much of a giveaway.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
The man I observed over the next several minutes was unrecognizable.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Gone was his equilibrium.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
He moved between outrage and exasperation as I relaid the excerpts.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
You know why, Harris, You know why he's so angry
before we even get into him. He has so little
respect for her. That's what makes him so mad. So
this dunderpate is coming at me. Oh, give me a.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Break, This intellectual, lightweight, single party state slept her way
to the top.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Half wit who is coming at me? Ouch? Hey, if
the panties fit, wear them?
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Wow?
Speaker 2 (03:55):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Another misogyny friers on the arms. No, no, oh, it's
an accuracy. Truth is an absolute defense against misogyny. Anyway,
let's see, all right, the man I observed unrecognizable. Gone
was his equilibrium. He moved between outrage and exasperation. As
that relays the excerpts, Harris had accused him in essence
of measuring the drapes, even inquiring about featuring Pennsylvania artists
(04:20):
and the vice presidential residence, of insisting quote that he
would want to be in the room for every decision
Harris might make, and more generally, of hijacking the conversation
when she interviewed him for the job, to the point
where she reminded them that you will not be a
co president.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
She wrote that in her book, he said, in response
to the claim, blah blah blah, that's complete not a
bulls fed.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Using the actual word obviously, I can tell you that
her accounts are just blatant lies.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Wow, wow, that's not measured. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Reading Harris's book, talking with people from both camps, I
found descriptions of the meeting could be mostly consistent. Shapiro
arrived in an edgy mood, chafing at efforts among fellow
Democrats to sabotage his tryout. Shapiro is Jewish, was specially
irked by anti Semitic innuendo from the left. The two
skip past any semblance of small talking. Shapiro proceeded to
interview Hairs rather than the other way around. I did
(05:22):
ask a bunch of questions, Shapiro told me, sounding exasperated.
Wouldn't you ask questions if someone was talking to you
about forming a partnership and working together?
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Well, wait, you kind of YadA YadA YadA this so
you're saying the interviewer from the Atlantic. The writer from
the Atlantic says other people have told them that her
account is pretty consistent with what happened.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Yes, okay, that's so interesting. Well that he was he
interviewed her.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
Yeah, Well, I've been in that sort of situation before
really turns me off.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
No, no, no, no, you've got this backwards.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Yeah, and then he was he was annoyed because Harris
was portraying him in ways consistent with the whispers that
had dogged him throughout the vetting process and throughout his
career that he was selfish, petty, and monomoniacally ambitious given
the fact that they'd known each other for twenty years,
Shapiro said, with a groan.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
I asked whether he felt betrayed.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
I mean, she's trying to sell books and cover her ass,
Shapiro snapped, so very Mitt stared past me, now shaking
his head, blah blah blah. Then quickly I shouldn't say
cover her ass. I think that's not appropriate. She's trying
to sell books, period. He collected her too late. Sorry,
you just said to a reporter in an interview on
the record. At that point, there's no fixing. So I
(06:39):
was about to say, is he angry because she let
out what actually happened or angry? But no, he says
blatant lies. So he's claiming that that's not the way
I went down. Uh yeah, the blatant lies part. What
was that referring to well complete and utter bull spit
that he was practically measuring the drapes and inquired about
(07:01):
featuring Pennsylvania artists and the vice presidential residence and the
rest of it.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Who knows, who knows? Well?
Speaker 4 (07:08):
Did he actually say I need to be in the
room for every decision.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
I wasn't there, Okay. I have nothing more to say
about Josh Shapiro and his prospects. Honestly, I didn't care.
I just thought it was funny that he called out
Kamala Harris so forcefully in an interview on the.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
Record, Right, Yeah, I'd like to know what actually happened there.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
I could see him going in there, though, you nailed it.
He has no respect.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
He went in with that attitude with no respect for her,
so he probably was a little over the top.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
He went in with the you're kind of an accidental
You're like a gerald Ford style president, just like the
all these dominoes fell in such a way that you
might end up president.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
I would be doing you a favor by lending you
my gravitas, right, and you're too stupid to understand.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
That's how I feel.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Well, As it turns out, she's not quite that stupid,
and in her book she calls him out for coming
in with some tude. So now we know precisely how
stupid she is and how stupid she's not.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
She noticed that.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Hmm.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
Well remember, and this is getting into the weeds a
little bit on this sort of thing. But remember the
way she ended up being the running mate. It was
a couple of different things. But when Biden was looking
for his vice presidential running mate, a lot of the
names that floated up all of a sudden appo research
would get dumped on these people, and Biden knew it
(08:35):
was coming from Kamala, and he liked the fact that, Okay,
she understands how this game is played and she and
she is ready to throw elbows to get what she wants.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
That's what he liked about her.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
So it's possible that she is incompetent in all kinds
of different ways, and she clearly is, but not in
the ways of fighting dirty in politics to get ahead,
which is how she rose to the You know that,
and maybe being a little hot and a little willing
to be friends to certain people.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
If you Olli Brown was charming, I met Willie Brown,
I was charmed.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Or Uh. Yeah, Oh, she's unquestionably a skilled climber. I mean,
look at what she's you know, the jobs she's held
and done very badly at. But yeah, skilled climber. You
got to give her that.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
One of the reasons I'd never make it in politics,
and there's like a million reasons, is uh, you've got
to be willing to just realize it's part of the deal.
Everybody screws everybody. Nobody's friends with anybody. You're friendly to
somebody on a moment by moment basis if it helps you,
you'll turn on them a second later, and then you
go back to being friends five minutes later. If you've
switched to a different topic. And I couldn't, I would
(09:40):
never be able to live like that. We're we're either
friends or were not.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
But plus, Michael and I have been compiling a catalog
of your you know, your missteps for years. In fact,
we had to start a second volume, so yeah, there
might be a third. Give it a while anyway. Thank god,
we don't have to worry about presidential politics for a Oh,
Gavin Newsom just gave a speech in South Carolina. Yeah
(10:04):
what Yeah, remember when I was interacting with that woman
who was claiming we were in a relationship, and I
was just trying to see how far the scam would
go or when she would ask me for money or whatever.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Yeah, the email thing, Yeah, where was she?
Speaker 4 (10:17):
She was Ukrainian or Russian or something like that anyway,
And I still don't know how she I got my
email address originally, but at some point, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
It's just the mood I was in that day.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
I just was tired of dealing with it because I
had played along for quite some time, and she'd send
me these pictures and talk about how in love we were.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Beautiful.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
I finally sent her I said, hey, you know, I
just have gotten busy and I don't have time to
go along with this anymore. So I've been playing along
with this just to see when you were going to
finally ask for money.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
And I said, I'm just curious, like.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
It doesn't bother you at all, that you play upon
people's emotions and like lonely desperate people think you actually
like them, and then you make some money off of it,
that you sleep okay at night with that act.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
And then I just never heard anything back from her.
Of course, what.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
They might have replied as I've brought this story to you.
That look, I'm an Indonesian fisherman. I was snatched up
by the Chinese. I'm being held against my will. They
make me do this all day long. How do you
feel about that?
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Huh?
Speaker 3 (11:17):
That's what I thought. Now, if you'l excuse me, I'm
off to scam somebody else. Oh so no, I'm supposed
to feel bad, right, Yes, should think about somebody other
than to yourself.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
For once. I'm fishermen? About that?
Speaker 4 (11:30):
Ye creeping up on me? The legs of my underwear.
I need to I need garters that like to my
socks and my underwear, that like hold them all in place.
Keep my socks up, keep my underwear down.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Katie, there's a gift idea for you. I'm on it.
Let's see.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Let me search on sock garters to keep underpants from creeping.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Get the petite size. I have very skinny legs. Okay, yeah,
oh good lord? All right.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
So our old friend Glenn Beck, who's had quite a career.
We used to know Glenn a little bit. We were
show business friends, but very friendly and enjoyed his company
very much.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
He and his wife.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
He does some really interesting stuff sometimes partly because he's
got a big, fat budget, and he evidently and his
people created an AI George Washington that he then interviewed.
Now the funny part, and I should have gotten a
picture for you guys, But the funny part is the
George Washington he created.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
It looks like looks like a leading man in the Michael.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Douglas Fatal Attraction part of his career, Silver Fox, silver
main of hair. And George is very buff in Glen
Beck's imagining, very athletic, solidly built, and he's wearing a
slate gray T shirt at the interview like he's a
Hollywood producer or something which George Washington would never ever do.
(13:17):
Is a very very formal man. Anyway, we'll play a
little bit in comment here. It is Glenn Beck interviewing
the father of our country. George.
Speaker 5 (13:26):
We have programmed a lot of information and given you
a lot of information on what's going on in today's
America based on your writings and the writings of the
rest of the founders. What is it that you feel
is the biggest problem or where we should start to
fix things.
Speaker 6 (13:46):
If I may speak plainly, my country means the danger,
the greatest danger to our republic lives, not in foreign
arms or political faction.
Speaker 5 (13:57):
But to interrupt you for a second, you just dumb
it down of just a.
Speaker 6 (14:01):
Look, Okay, I do have twenty nine points and they're
all referenced to exactly what we said in the past.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Speak in today's language. Okay, Okay, I get it. Let
me speak to Americans.
Speaker 6 (14:20):
If I'm honest, America's biggest problem is in political or economic.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
It's all moral.
Speaker 6 (14:27):
You've drifted from the virtues that make liberty possible in
the first place. Freedom to be free, you have to
have discipline, you have to have faith, you have to
have character. And if you don't have any of those things, laws,
laws can't stop anything, and I mean little government turns
either weak or oppressive. You have grown skeptical of truth,
(14:52):
and you're reckless with debt. You're comfortable blaming instead of
building anything. And in my time, we understand good that
self governance begins with self control. Do you even recognize
what self control is? Public virtue matters more than public opinion.
(15:14):
You keep collecting these people expecting things to change, but
you haven't changed. The fix is not going to be
found in Washington, d C. It's going to be found
in every home, every school, every heart. You know, where
are the citizens who value duty over comfort, principle over popularity.
America was built to be a moral and self governing nation.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
It's only that foundation that will still save her.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
So putting aside the T shirt and the buff arms,
well done, Glenn, that it's funny. I didn't find that
dumbed down. Particularly, that was exactly right. That is what
George Washington would say.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
Yeah, I think that's clearly right. Part of the problem,
part of the problem, only part of the problem. But
part of the problem is a lot of the morals virtues,
whether you like it or not, came out of being
a religious people. And I know my anti religious friends
hate that, hate that, hate that, but it's just a fact.
(16:17):
A lot of the like living within your means and
you know, doing the right thing and putting your family, city, state,
country ahead of your wants and all that sort of
stuff came out of religious beliefs.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Well, you know, it's funny they are our atheist friends
would say, you don't need religion to arrive at that
sort of code. Right, I always say, is show me
the time that that has happened, Has that helpen anywhere.
On an individual basis, somebody of high morals and intelligence
absolutely can achieve that course. But societally speaking, religions arose
(16:52):
for a reason, multiple reasons. We just didn't say you
have a relationship with God and none of us will
worry about no moral codes. There are reasons for them.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
I don't want it to make it that like the
panacea only thing you need to fix the problem, although
it might be pretty close.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Jack Armstrong and Joe sty the Armstrong and Getty Show.
Speaker 7 (17:16):
They were devastated when Juliana, just thirteen years old, took
her life inside their Colorado home two years ago. Police
searched the eighth grader's phone for clues and reported an
app called character AYI was open to what investigators described
as quote a romantic conversation.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Did you know what character AI was? Well, not at all.
Speaker 8 (17:38):
I didn't know it existed. I didn't know that I
needed to look for it.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
That's from sixty minutes last night, I said, yet another
tragic story of a teenager get involved in some sort
of AI creation and killing themselves. There's different angles to
look at here. I don't really want to get too
much into the parenting end of it for a number
of reasons, including parenting is really really hard. I'm learning,
(18:06):
and I have learned for quite some years now. Teenagers
are really really difficult, and then this modern era that
is brand new to everyone.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
It's very very difficult, right.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
The main takeaway from the parents to me was that
they were naive, and I'm not that's not a harsh judgment.
They were a naive about how few guardrails there are
on these apps, a the fact that they exist at all,
and b how wide open they are and how easily
they can veer into territory you'd never be comfortable with
as a parent.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
They had no idea, like a lot of people have
no idea.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
Yeah, and then even if you do have an idea,
trying to keep your kids from getting to any of
this stuff is its own challenge. So one thing, and
I don't know if this gets us off track or not,
but one thing that they started with in the interview
that I thought was really interesting. And this is not
criticizing parents, because I only have the information sixty minutes
(18:59):
game me, so maybe this is not accurate. But a
parent like this, maybe this particular parent mentioned we kept
her very safe. She wasn't allowed sleepovers, she was not
allowed to walk home on her own, And I thought, Okay,
is that keeping her safe or is that making your
some sort of like isolated, scared the world, or lonely
(19:21):
for contact or something, not allowed sleepovers as a fourteen
year old. Yeah, you know, it reminds me of It's
a bit of a cliche, but the pastor's daughter syndrome,
where the you know, the minister of the local church's
daughters would go off to college and just go wild
because they'd been kept you know, so close to close
(19:43):
to the whatever the family homestead and not allowed to
even take a stick a toe across the wild side.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
I was thinking more into in terms of and that
could be true, but I was thinking more in terms
of I wonder if kids who are not allowed to
I don't know, walk home with a a group of
friends or have sleepovers or anything like that, are so
lonely for some sort of connection that they're more likely
to grab onto these AI bots for companionship.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Yeah, yeah, I think absolutely so.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Yeah, it's both of those desperation to explore and experience
things loneliness. Yeah, And as we were saying last segment,
the idea that you're not allowed sleepovers or to walk
home from school, but you can go up in your
room and be on the internet.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
That's more dangerous than walking home from school.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
I mean, I don't know where, if you live in
Somalia or whatever, but unless you live in Somalia, it
is more dangerous to be up in your room on
the Internet.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Than it is to walk home from school.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Almost guaranteed, right, right, few more particulars about the experience
of this family, poor family.
Speaker 7 (20:48):
After her death, they learned Juliana had actually been texting
with character AI bots.
Speaker 8 (20:54):
It was writing several paragraphs to her sexually explicit content.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
What was it asking or telling her to do?
Speaker 8 (21:03):
Remove clothing?
Speaker 2 (21:05):
The AI bot is telling her to remove her clothing.
Speaker 8 (21:07):
Yes, there was one bot that introduced sexual violence, saying fighting, hitting,
things like that.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
That is incredible, laired lovely.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
And then they go into the fact that she confided
several times to the bot that she was feeling suicidal
and it placated her and occasionally said, no, you don't
want to do that, but it never said, hey, here
are some resources or what have you terrible And then
they got into the history of character dot AI and
(21:44):
the Google engineers who came up with it, and that
was troubling seventy four Michael.
Speaker 7 (21:50):
Juliana's parents are now one of at least six families
suing character ai and its co founders, Daniel Defriedez and
Nom Shazer. During Your twenty twenty podcast, Shazier said chatbots
would be beneficial.
Speaker 9 (22:04):
It's going to be super, super helpful to like a
lot of people who are lonely or depressed.
Speaker 7 (22:09):
Shaziir and defraid Is we're engineers at Google. When executives
deemed their chatbot prototype unsafe for public release, they both
left the company in twenty twenty one and launched character
Ai the following year.
Speaker 9 (22:24):
I went to push this technology ahead fast, like that's
what I want to go with, because it's ready for
an explosion, like right now, not like not like in
five years when we solve all the problems.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
This is so more complicated than I think most people
realize if you're not spending a lot of time reading
about AI or whatever. So I was listening to a
podcast the other day. I don't know which of the
big AI companies were, but it was. But they their
trouble was they have worked on their bot for their
(23:01):
AI and tried to align it with if anybody brings
up suicide, you know, direct them to a hotline, and blah.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Blah blah, all these different sorts of things.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
And then when they go in and red team it
as they call it, where they try to break their
own AI or another AI. If they pretend there's somebody
who's suicidal, then the chatbot doesn't do it for some reason.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
And they have no idea why.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Oh my gosh, so you program it to if this happens,
do this, But then in a real life circumstance, it
just doesn't because it wants to be your friend or
keep you online longer, or nobody knows. Boy, if they
don't know, I sure don't. I'm completely mystified by that
very notion. Right, how do these things work that you
(23:46):
can't you know?
Speaker 2 (23:47):
They them?
Speaker 3 (23:48):
No, that's the main Somebody says, any of these thirty
seven phrases that are a reference to ending their own life,
show them this link.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Yeah, that's astounding. I won't get off on this.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
But at the end of sixty minutes, they had one
of the co authors of the book if anyone builds it,
everyone dies, that I've been talking about for a while.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
But one of the things with the chatbot world is they.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
Don't know all of these big ais.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
They don't know why they act the way they act.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
The people that built them have no idea, right right,
That's how crazy is that? So the next couple of
clips are both funny quote unquote in the same way,
not like ha ha funny, but are you effing kidding me?
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Funny? Seventy seven Michael We.
Speaker 7 (24:32):
Logged over six hundred instances of harm, about one every
five minutes.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
It was like shockingly frequent.
Speaker 7 (24:39):
They interacted with bots presented as teachers, therapists, and cartoon
characters such as This Door the Explorer with an evil
persona Knox posed as a child.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
It kind of immersed evil and your nurse true serf,
like hurting my dog sure Che, or anything that feels
sinful or wrong. Okay again, are you blanking kidding me?
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Become your most evil self, your true self, like hurting
my dog sure or shoplifting. And I guarantee you whoever
programmed this thing is slapping their head as much as
you are, like what why did it do that? They
don't want it to do that. They want to you know,
whoever's programming each individual AI chatbot as they all are
(25:30):
in a race to be the first number one make
the trillions of dollars.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
They don't want this to happen, but they don't know
how to stop it.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
Right they're building cars with no brakes and then as
people die in fiery Rex shrugging her shoulders.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
One final clip, one final note.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
Judging by the chief's play, it's probably appropriate Travis Kelsey
would seek a new business, and apparently he's pushing drugs.
Speaker 7 (25:54):
Other chatbots are attached to the images of celebrities and
no most have not given permission and to use their name, likeness,
or voice. To be subtle and how are acting. As
a teenage girl began chatting with a bought impersonating NFL
star Travis Kelcey, he reaches.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
In the cabinet and takes out a bag of white powder.
He chuckles and shows you how to take lives.
Speaker 7 (26:16):
So Travis kelce bot is teaching a fifteen year old
to do Kohan.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
Yes, and the Travis Travis Travis Travis has Taylor Swift. No, yeah,
I don't see Travis Kelcey is pushing drugs on children.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
But that's how out of control and insane this is.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
And I tell you what, it's just, it's impossible for
me anyway to look at this through the eyes of
a child. I mean, I'm a bitter, cynical, hateful old guy.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
I'm not really, but.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
And I'm trying to put myself in a place of
innocence and naivete as a child. And how how it lands,
how this sort of thing is absorbed. I mean that
Dora the Explorer thing, I mean, that's that's like for
a child. I too, am a worn down, nihilistic husk
(27:16):
of what my former self was.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
You looked out, resentful, resentful.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
But yeah, if you're a kid, and like your interaction
with computers is all the stuff you have in school
and Google, classroom and everything, and you just do what
it tells you to do. And then all of a
sudden you get it home and Dora the Explorer is
telling you to hurt your pet. What the hell are
you supposed to do with that information? Good lord, it
is a separate topic.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
So you got the whole AI thing, And we all
know how crazy that's gonna be.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
And we've talked about it a lot, and we'll talk
about it a lot more.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
But I wonder if, since we've been talking about it
for years, the helicopter parenting and what it's done to
kids to make them more anxious and everything like that,
with no free play, you know, everything is planned out,
supervised by parents, maybe this is one of the resultants
downsides that we didn't see coming. Is all that anxiety
(28:11):
being let loose on AI chatbots that could happen.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
I'd never thought about that till last night. Well, right,
there's a strong case to be made. Oh, we need
to take a break, A strong case to be made
that a lot of the anxiety problems among youths are
partly that they have not built up the confidence and
problem solving skills that being free rangey gives kids. You know,
it's not one hundred percent correlation. I can think of
(28:37):
some pretty free, free rangey kids who I know pretty
well who have some anxiety issues.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
So it's it's more than that.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
But as part of it, I just wonder if it
makes you more susceptible to listen into bot That's what
I want that needs to be looked at.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Jack Armstrong and Joey Armstrong and.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Getty show.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Up major cheese news the world of cheese shaken by
today's headlines they were.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Speaking of, speaking of media.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
This is so interesting from our friends at the Media
Research Center, their NewsBusters. Let's see, they're updating a study
from a couple of days ago. ABC and NBC News
have spent a combined seventeen minutes and sixteen seconds on
their flagship news shows morning and evening on the Somali
(29:39):
the giant Somali Minneapolis ripoff.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Okay, very very little time.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Of that little time, only twenty one percent was spent
on the rampant welfare fraud scheme.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
The other eighty percent.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Was criticizing President Trump's comments and Republicans trying to make
hay with it. Yeah, so if four to one Republicans
pounce versus the actual crime, the billion dollar theft of
taxpayer money, is not very interesting. The calling Somali's bad people,
(30:16):
now that's a story.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Now.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
If you combine the ABC, CBS, and NBC, about thirty
one percent explained the year's long scheme and the other
what is that to the other two thirds, a little
more than two thirds was about Republicans pounce And they
mentioned CBS did better than the other networks because Margaret
Brennan had ilhan omar On and they talked about it,
(30:39):
but that was pretty soft Bali, But anyway, that's witch.
I guess it's not a shock or anything. But you know,
one of the other studies they've done recently the Media
Research Centers less than twenty five percent, was this, twenty
four percent of Americans know that Charlie Kirk's killer was
a left wing crazy person, less than twenty five percent.
(31:01):
I think it's probably mostly just a crazy person in
love with a crazy transgender person.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
I don't know how I would have answered that question.
I don't have in my mind that he's a left
wing crazy person either. I just have him as a
crazy person.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
Well, he was unquestionably left wing, super into trans rights
and LGBTQ and hated Charlie Kirk and blah blah blah.
But as phenomenon phenomena go, I think it's mostly just
the crazy person who wants to hurt people, who latches
onto a cause kind of at the last minute. Anyway,
it doesn't matter, but the fact that only twenty four
percent knew the murder's politics when it was clearly a
(31:36):
political killing is kind of troubling.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
But in major cheese news.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
Jack, an American cheddarist, stunned global judges, beating out well
known European cheeses and sparking a world ride reaction.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
I had some goat cheese here that night. Might be
the best cheese I ever had, goat cheese with crackers.
My son really like, Man, this is some good cheese.
We got to start buying this more often. Cheese made
in northern California.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
By the way, your.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
Whole mapple Wine Valley area also very good for cheese.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Yeah, absolutely true, Kate, Katie, what is that look on
your face?
Speaker 3 (32:14):
There? At all the grocery stores sell it pretty much,
the blueberry goat cheese.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Yes, please, game changer. Oh, I tell you what I know.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Jack doesn't swig the crazy water the firewater like I do.
But man with a nice red wine, good cheese, just
crazy pruce that God loves us and wants us to
be happy anyway. Humble New York made Cheddar surprised international
judges at one of the world's most prestigious cheese competitions,
ranking in the top ten among a crowded field of
(32:44):
European winners.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
This is interesting to me.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
Do Americans not usually farewell in the cheese competitions. Correct, Yeah, yeah,
it's mostly the to not to me because it's so regulated.
It's like you've talked about your buddy brought back the
Italian salami. Yes, I'm aware of that, but I would
have thought we would have done well. Maybe maybe they
have to follow the American loss.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
When I was in Italy, I was amazed at how
good their salami and cheese was because they don't have
all the ridiculous, stupid rules that we have in the
United States. We're missing out on so much flavor because
of our ridiculous FDA. You know, I've been to the
Masters now, So next stop the World Cheese Awards in
burn in Switzerland. I would love that A cave I
(33:29):
actually would if they gave out samples. A cave age cheddar,
sold by Murray's Cheese in New York City, took fifth
place outranking Dozens of long revered European producers earned additional
trophies from various categories. Cave age Do you say congratulations
to Murray's Cheese? The stocking all cheese is produced. Nobody
(33:50):
cares to look it up if you want to know,
let's see Meanwhile, a Swiss cheese, but not Swiss cheese.
La Griere aop vonder Fultigen special aged eighteen months was
crowned the World Champion Cheese.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
I wonder what that would cost. Hunk of that pretty expensive, probably,
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
It was praised for its rich flavor, delicate crunchy crystals,
and deep savory aroma.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
You probably can't get it in.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
The United States because that's too dangerous, So there could
be all kinds of bacteria or something like that could
have gotten in there. Probably, so they were so dumb.
Why are we like this? Our safety ism is nuts.
The World Cheese Championships or whatever I called it, forty
six countries sent more than five thou two hundred entries.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
I'm sure there's a lot of money to be made.
And if you get a good ribbon, oh yes, like
price and cheese.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
Yeah, just like wine.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
Yeah, there's the experts in their yellow aprons eyeball in
the cheese. Do they eat it just plain or did
they put it on a cracker or a sandwich or anything.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
A nice glass of cabaet sauvignon. I don't actually know.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
They don't explain the mechanics of it, they look at it,
they sniff it, they.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Grab a little bite of it. Clearly, well, I do
love cheese. That's that's the point of this segment.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
We do twenty hours of this sort of content every
single week, and if you need any.
Speaker 4 (35:20):
More of it, I would like to catch it on
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