December 23, 2025 • 35 mins
Featured in Hour Two of the Tuesday December 23, 2025 edition of The Armstrong & Getty Replay...
- How people spent their time
- Katie Green's baby has a heartbeat
- Funny things to say, slutty animals & war on boys
- Different types of Santas
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George
Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong, Shoe, Getty.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Armstrong and Jetti and He Armstrong and Getty Strong. We
took the day off. We are not live from studio.
See we're home.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Actually it's my son's birthday, so I'm not celebrating that problem. Excellent, Well,
happy birthday to your son, and enjoy this carefully SELECTI
I mean fine booth cal good. Weeks were spent in
coming up with the perfect combination of.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Past segments from the Armstrong and Getty Show.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
So let's all enjoy the Armstrong in Geddy replays. I'm
looking at a graph. It's an animated graph. It moves
the years.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Those are so cool. I love them.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
As the years go by, the bar graph changes. You're
not going to see that, although we've posted it at
Armstrong Ingeddy dot com.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
I retweeted it.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
If you follow us on x formerly known as Twitter,
I will there are a lot of numbers here. I
will attempt to help make sense of them. It's better
to see it. But people spent their time from nineteen
thirty through twenty twenty four, and the punchline being of course,
and we wonder why society's in decline. But in nineteen
(01:22):
thirty two, family and school were virtually tied at twenty
two percent and change. Then you had friends at nineteen percent,
with neighbors eleven point three percent, church, ten percent, bars, restaurants,
et cetera, eight percent college. You know, down line. Obviously
online was zero percent. Very few people online in nineteen
(01:46):
thirty two. They just didn't enjoy it as much back then. Okay,
so let's just go ahead and jump like ten years. Oh,
let's see, let me silence there we go. Okay, so
nineteen forty two, you still have family and friends virtually tied.
School has fallen back a tiny bit. Neighbors is right
(02:07):
there where it always was in fourth place.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Church has declined a little bit.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Good time with coworkers, by the way, has gone up slightly.
It's now around five percent. How much time online in
nineteen forty two still zero jack, an excellent incisive question.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Let's go ahead and roll up.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Oh, I see people are category switching places.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
There we are in nineteen fifty two.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Friends has now surpassed family by about three percent. School
is still big, bars, restaurants and entertainment is now significantly
higher than it was. Wow, from the thirties to the fifties.
Hanging out with the bar, at the bars with the friends.
Family dropping a little bit interesting, Yeah, bar, but you
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know it's bars, restaurants, etc. But it's definitely you're out more.
Neighbors has fallen back a little bit. Workers now has
gone from four percent way up to seven percent. It's
almost doubled how much time we spend, and church continues
to decline a little bit. Let's jump to nineteen sixty two.
We're getting close to the hippies. Yeah, Dan, not right
(03:13):
there yet. Friends is now clearly outstripped family by six
or seven percent. School has fallen slightly, Entertainment is now grown.
Time with co workers is now almost at ten percent.
It's now doubled from the original. Neighbors is in decline,
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and church continues to fall. Part of it is not well,
it's all cultural, I guess, but it's not like attitudes.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
I mean, your coworker was your mule in nineteen oh.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Two's really not that great A conversational lests right right, Okay,
And now I'm going to skip ahead a few decades
as various.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
You're stubborn gym. I would say.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Various, you know, forces in our lives jockeying for position.
Nineteen ninety two, we're definitely spending the most time with
our friends, co workers.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
And bars, restaurants, et cetera. Have both passed.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Family church has continued to decline only slightly from the
sixties to the nineties, but much more time at work
and much more time out being entertained, which is which
is interesting. But the punchline is coming up, and some
of you are ahead of us. We're gonna pause right
at two thousand and two because there's about to be
a gigantic change. Online has gone from not to about
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six and a half percent of our time online, even.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Though already by two thousand and two probably at work mostly. Yeah,
I'm going to backup just a little bit.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Yeah, online four percent in two thousand and then six
and three quarters percent in two thousand and two, which
is a significant change. But most of our time is
still with friends twenty seven percent, and workers and then
out getting entertained. Now let's introduce the smartphone, folks. I'm
just going to go to twenty twelve, ten years from then.
(05:10):
Online is now number one. It's gone from six seven
percent to twenty six percent, surpassing friends. Co workers is
still in third, bars and restaurants ten percent, And then
you get to family and school and church continues to
decline slightly. Online went from a non factor to how
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most people spent most of their time in the span
of a decade.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
That's twenty twelve.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Let's go ahead up to twenty twenty four, ladies and gentlemen,
I give you the modern world online sixty one percent
of their time. Wow, two thirdd yes, fourteen percent. Friends,
which had always been number one since like the nineteen
lateineteen thirty and I'm only pretending to listen to my
(06:02):
friends so I can get back to my phone, or
you're sitting with your friends and you're all staring at
your phones together exactly. In fact, online is now four
and a half times the number that friends is. Coworkers
has declined, bars and restaurants has declined steeply, and that
includes bowling at least and whatever else, probably sports games
and that sort of thing too.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Family is a tiny fraction of what it was.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
School has declined significantly, Church has been cut in half
from fifteen years prior. College neighbors practically don't exist. It's
all online. Has anybody got any questions? That's well, I
have a statement that ain't gonna change. It's never came back.
(06:53):
As I always say, it can change in your life
if you decide to do it.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Societally, not so much. I'm talking about society.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
It ain't going to change for society, it ain't going back,
which is amazing. I mean, it's the biggest it's the
biggest revolution in what human beings are probably.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
That's ever happened.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Yeah, as a anthropologist, you've got to look at society.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Sure.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
As a human I look at society as a collection
of individuals, and I'm i the idea of I'm going
to change society is now. It's no change yourself, change
the people you care about. That's the only thing you,
as a human being, should be worried about. Honestly, the
immediately local and as I always say, those of us
who remember the before times are aging right and will
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be gone in a blink of an eye, and there
won't be anybody that remembers any of what life was
like before online, which was everything. It was everything right
every day, you know, prior to whatever Night ninety eight
was not online, every single thing, and then that it
gets obliterated, and there but anybody left who remembers what
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life was. On the other hand, on the upside, is
everybody's happy. Oh wait no, actually everybody's miserable. Loneliness is epidemic.
Therapists are printing money, et cetera. You know, interestingly, they
don't have babies, no babies. Google search volume for the
following things how to meet people has skyrocketed from what
(08:32):
is this millions of people from twenty five million to
one hundred million. From two thousand nine to two hundred
and twenty four, It's quadrupled. How to meet people, how
to meet new people? Similar where to make friends has
gone from that looks like fifteen million to over one
hundred million. The Google search feel lonely has gone from
(08:55):
forty five million or so up to it peeked during
not surprisingly at around ninety million. So people are aware
of how they feel, which you think.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
I hope they live to be a ripe old age.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
I really do, because I'd like I'd like like if
I can hang around to them one hundred and forty
years from now, I'd love to see where the world is,
where things are.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
I'm not optimistic.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
But you know, probably your average sixty year old through
history has been not optimistic. Thinks that you know, things
have changed and young people today and blah blah blah.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
But this time we're right, this time we're right.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
The uh the only.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Thing that really shakes up that thought in my head,
that rabbit hole, is that there will be gigantic, unforeseen,
cataclysmic changes.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
That will derail the whole.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
Uh you know, ABCD all of a sudden will be
at s or you know, or or in a completely
different or accounting backward like it's a priety test. I
can't even do that, sober officer. The as for me
and mine, I'm absorbing this. I am going to send
this to everybody I care about. The drop off in
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time with family and friends towards staring at your phone.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
I mean, what, you know, what is there to say
about that.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
Family, schooling and friends went from sixty one percent of
the time two now I silenced you earlier, went from
sixty one percent to family school and friends down to
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there is twenty percent.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
So I think one of the problems also is if
you if you tell young people that, I think most
of them would say.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Yeah, that sounds really boring. Family friends in school kill me. Now.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
It's not like they would look at that and think, wow,
that seems like that would have been a great age
to be alive. Right to be entertained is not to
be nourished. I would say to them, you're not getting nourishment,
and then I would realize they're not listening.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
They're staring at TikTok.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
You need to argue with the human brain. Dopamine hits
seem to be pretty popular. We like our dopamine. I've
been arguing with my brain since the day I was born.
That dopamine hit gets a lot of people to do
a lot of things all day today and every day,
and there are trillions of dollars being made through it.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Yeah no, but they've got your best interests in mind.
Take their word for it. Sure they do it. Jack
Armstrong and Joey Armstrong and Getty Show.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Officials are saying this year's fall foliage season will end
sooner and we'll have more muted colors.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Cool.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
I guess I'll just kill myself there.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Wow Ah, that's funny.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
That's kind of a snarky millennial who gives a crap
about fall colors sort of joke.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
That sounds like some of my kids would really enjoy
that joke.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
So Katie, Katy, Katie needs to set up this clip
because this is a big deal.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Uh Okay.
Speaker 5 (12:22):
So I've talked a couple of times on the program
about how my husband and I have been going through
the IVF process, uh.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Trying to get knocked up.
Speaker 5 (12:30):
And we in the beginning of September went through the
embryo transfer of our little baby boy that will obviously
be named Jack Joe Mike Mike. And last Thursday we
had our first ultrasound and heartbeat appointment.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
So unlike me, he has a heart that's little Jack
Joe Mike Mike. That's little Jack Joe Mike Mike's heartbeat.
Think you has a art that's a good joke. Oh yeah,
that's freaking amazing and incredible. It is.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
And uh, I was thinking this the other day because
my son's band teacher, they're having their first kid, and
he's all excited about that. There is nothing as life
changing or relationship changing as the first kid. I mean,
just everything in the entire world that you think about
changes when that happens. It is amazing.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
When Judy was first pregnant with Caitlin, many many moons ago,
I dove into fetal development. I became super interested in
it for obvious reasons, and read books and articles and
stuff like that. And I'm not going to get into
the politics of this because it's not an appropriate moment.
But anybody who thinks a fetus is not a human
(13:50):
being till very late in the game has no idea
what they're talking about.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
Oh, I mean, it's the pictures that I'll put them
on my Twitter account. She took the cursor and she pointed,
you can see his little arms in his legs in
the ultrasound, and he is currently the size of a
jelly bean.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
But a fully recognizable human. Give it another couple of months.
Speaker 5 (14:13):
Oh, I can't wait. It's just it's been so amazing
and the process was hard but so worth it. And
to hear that made it. I mean, I knew it
was real, but hearing that heartbeat just kind of brought
it all the more to life for me.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Oh, of course, how long has that technology been around?
Did they have it when your first kid was born?
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Joe? Yeah, Oh yeah, so it's been around that long.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know how it's progressed in terms
of like sensitivity and how early you can hear the
heart beat and that sort of thing. I don't know,
but like all this stuff unimaginable to my parents, knowing
the sex ahead of time, or hearing the heart beat
or knowing anything.
Speaker 5 (14:51):
So my my, I did have I misspoke. I had
one ultrasound prior. Could not hear the heart beat last Thursday?
Did hear the heartbeat? I'm at eight and a half weeks.
It was a little fast. Were you drinking a lot
of coffee here?
Speaker 3 (15:04):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Just totally jacked up.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
No, it's just sounds like it sounds like me after
I come up a flight of stairs pretty much exactly.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
It's more stairs than it looks. That's me.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Four cups of coffee in, Yeah, that's Jack what he's
having one with caffeine free.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
He starts checking his pulse.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
End up at the er because I drink so much coffee.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Amazing, absolutely amazing.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
The miracle of life and the fact that a certain
segment of our political population thinks that a woman's supernatural
goddess like miraculous ability to bring life into the world
is somehow a lesser occupation than occupying a cubicle and
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making a few bucks. That's a much more important and
recon respectable thing to do.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
It makes you equal with men? Yes, right, Why why
would you want to be equal with men? You're capable
of miracles. The only miracle that counts, and.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
That's being devalued. Family is being devalued. Makes me insane.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Well, congratulations on being a birthing person. Thank you. I
appreciate it. Soon to men.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Men can give birth too, so let's not be using
prejudicial terms like mother.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
Right, well, and so little Jack, Joe, Mike, Mike, is
you on May twenty seventh?
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Okay, that's a good that's a good time. Good time
is it for short? Probably? Joe?
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Right, something's got to give. Thank you for sharing that, Katie.
You know that's wonderful.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Katie.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
You know what I did this morning that was horrifying. Well,
I didn't do it on purpose. It just happened. For
whatever reason. I woke up and I was convinced it
was Saturday morning, so I will woke up and I
was like thinking of my plans for the day, and oh.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Well, you know, trick, the God's cruels, trick I just
was going through.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
You know it looks like it's going to be nice
and uh, probably ride my bike and then I'll do
this and cleaning yourge Monday.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Not only was it not Saturday, it was freaking Monday,
which is.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
The worst day. You're gonna get down the salt mine.
You're gonna dig, boy, that's what you're gonna do. That
was so tough on my psyche. It was painful. I
thought I was gonna cry.
Speaker 6 (17:27):
Grocery chains Stu Leonard says gained attention online after it
began offering vanilla sauce serve dipped in melted butter. So, yeah,
we're gonna need those Obamacare subsidies.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
That might fit into your story about scientists have figured
out why ice is slippery. I don't quite understand how
you could dip an ice cream cone into melted butter
and have that work. It seems like it would just
melt your ice cream cone into the melted butter and
you end up with a baking vests.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Now you'd quickly you quick dip it in the butter
hardens on your ice cream, and you have an inedible
thing nobody should ever put in their mouth.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
It's funny I hear about that, and I think, oh,
another dumb novelty ice cream flavor. People who are like
delighted by that over and over again, garlic ice cream,
you know, pickle flavored ice cream. They're happier than I am.
They're lucky I should them. They are bear flavored pizza. Yeah, people, gosh,
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people will always react with joy to those stories.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
You're right, they are happier than you are. Yeah, huh.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
Anyway, so we talked about this scientist to laugh about
every That's what she said, joke.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Some of them are very amusing. Oh, some of them are.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
Some of them Mark you remember, for a while we
went with behind the scenes just like in prison, which
which is a tougher one to find. It's more it's
a more advanced form of that's what she said.
Speaker 4 (18:59):
I got a big les half out of my brothers
got our old coworker Jay told us this one one
of the funniest things I've ever heard. His thing to say,
if somebody walked into a room, so he's having a
conversation with somebody, somebody walks up to him, they don't
know what you're talking about, and you just say, and
that's why.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Women shouldn't pole vault. Anyway, what can I do for you? Right?
Speaker 3 (19:21):
Hilarious, It's very very funny.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Was that Jay Or was that Tim? Tim the sales guy?
That was Jay?
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Okay, So anyway, we were talking yesterday about how humans
rank on the scale of monogamy compared to other mammals.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
It was a fascinating discussion.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
At the top of the list, the California deer mouse
is apparently one hundred percent monogamous, and at the bottom
is the slutty slutty Soay sheep native to Scotland that
just will mate with anything that wanders by and is
pretty interesting. We got some good email comments too that
we're in. Are you using the term mate and have
(20:02):
sex interchangeably?
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Yeah, although, as we discussed yesterday, with humans, it's much
more complicated than other beasts because A we have birth control.
B we might copulate with multiple partners and then be
monogamous once we started producing children. Ce might have just
done three shots at yegermeister, right, Yeah, unfortunate anyway, it
(20:28):
can skew the results. But so I did it a
little digging about, all right, how how monogamous are human
beings meant to be? Biologically? Because in you know, being
a human. We have societal pressures as well, cultural norms, religion,
that sort of thing.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
We have a word for that out of Marxism. This
is a social construct.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Oh, the patriarchy is pushed upon you. Some shut up now, yeah,
please be quiet, you you woke idiots. Anyway, So I
just did a little digging about what do biologists think
we're designed to be?
Speaker 2 (21:05):
And the answer is pretty interesting.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Anthropology doesn't really give a clear answer to the question
are we meant to be monogamous or not? Historically most
cultures have allowed polygamy, but within such cultures, most people
are monogamous. In the numerous cultures where polygamy is a
function of wealth, there are no doubt many monogamous men
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who would be polygamous if they could buy more wives.
And then, of course there are the rare polyandrous cultures
where one woman may have multiple husbands. Other primates, though,
offer insights into our human nature. Among the hundreds of
primate species, by the way, worth mentioning, every single damn
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one of them has two sexes, male and female. Anyway,
Some are bigamous, including are close relatives chimps and baboons.
Others are monogamous, like gibbons and marmo sets, Each group
has a different cluster of biological and behavioral traits. Here's
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where I thought it gets really interesting. Among your polyamorous primates.
The males typically spend much of their time competing for
high rank in dominance hierarchies. So that gets them to
mate with the hot hot you know, lady chimps for instance,
So they drive a cool car or have nice clothes
right exactly, fly private anyway, that gives them mating access
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to females.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
So in those speech.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Mating access is not the sexiest TERMINI I know, I know,
I know, males are so in these species the polyamorous ones,
males are far more aggressive, much bigger, heavier, and more
muscular than the females, and they have bigger canine teeth
the better to slash an opponent with. Male baboons, for example,
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have twice the body weight in canine length of the females.
They are literally twice as big as the females. Such
primates are often called for good reason tournament species. Ooh,
tournament species males in these bigger canine teeth, could I
get those implanet? Oh?
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Absolutely you could.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Yeah, absolutely or order away for this supplement guaranteed to work,
good luck or turning it.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
So.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Males in these species have higher metabolic rates in shorter
lifespans than the females, and they basically put zero effort
into caring for kids. In other words, all the female
gets is the male's genes, and the females select for
males with good genes period, which has led to the
evolution of conspicuous, conspicuous, costly displays in males that advertise
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good genes, flamboyant facial coloration, big capes of hair, silver backs.
They're the primate equivalents of peacocks with their beautiful feathers.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
I always thought my flamboyant facial coloration was working for me.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Because bright red when I get mad, right right, Ooh
he's sexy. Look how angry he is now.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
Because the fertile females will mate with multiple males, tisk tisk,
male male competition extends to sperm competition. So by primate standards,
polygamous male primates have large testes as a percentage of
body weight and high sperm production, and they will happily yeah, actually,
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and they'll happily mate with anyone in the county who
is ovulating, So they walk around with their long incisors,
their huge size.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
They're big balls. The rest of it.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Now, among your monogamous pair bonding primates.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Who's ovulating, I'm ready for a mating episode.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
Critically, the males do much of the infant care. Thus
you don't see a male indiscriminately mating left and right,
or fighting other for a chance to do so, since
he'll be doing a lot of work. If there's a child,
I gotta stack a laundry, you wouldn't believe he'll be
raising a family. In these primates, there isn't a high
degree of sexual dimorphism, meaning huge differences in body sized, musculature, metabolism,
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and lifespan, and males don't have those garish secondary sexual
characteristics like the polygamous species does. Testes or smaller sperm count, low,
mating infrequent, and these profiles are consistent. If ten seconds
into watching a newly discovered type of prime meat you
see that the males are twice the size of females
and have flashing neon noses, the issue is settled.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
It's a polygamous species.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
If you can't if it takes a minute to tell
the difference between the sexes they're monogamous.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
Well, what I think is, did this just both ways
worked evolutionarily speaking, and.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Could have gone either way? It just went one way
for one reason.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
Or is it that particular animal that way better than
the other way?
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Don't know enough to answer that ques question, but it's
a good one.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
I'm super super into evolutionary stuff and watches gazillions of
videos about it, and I have learned from him that
it's not near you'd think after all these gazillions of years,
we'd like really perfected it. There's a lot of luck
involved in some ways, there's two ways. Sometimes there's two
ways to get to the same point, and this way
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is as good as that way. So human beings, you know,
in one part, a different human species did it this way,
and this human species did it this way.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Not for any particular reason, just kind of worked out
that way.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Yeah, So let's bring it home to humans now, So
you get your polygamous with their big incisors and their
huge size and their short life spans the rest of it.
Then you got the entirely monogamous. They're much harder to
tell apart blah blah blah. So by these various biological measures,
are human a pair bonding or a tournament species, neither
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Across populations, men are roughly ten percent taller and twenty
percent heavier than women. We need twenty percent more calories
and live about six percent shorter, more sexually dimorphic than
monogamous species, less than polygamous species. Moreover, compared with say,
monogamous gibbons human billy gibbons, for instance, of zz top
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human males have bigger testes and higher sperm counts, but
pale in comparison to polygamous chimps.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Measure after measure, it's the same.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
Turns out that we aren't monogamous or polygamous by nature,
as everyone from poets to divorce attorneys can attest, we
are by nature a profoundly confused species somewhere in between.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
Well, we have because we have the ability to think
and make decisions and let our instincts run wild or
curtail or instincts if we'd come up with a.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Worldview that convinces us we should. Indeed, yeah, indeed.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
Monkeys are not thinking about what would Jesus do when
it comes to you know, having sex with another monkey.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
They should, but they don't.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Only hippies who are trying to get laid or going
around trying to concease. You know, we're not meant to
be monogamous. That's a social construct. What ever? Shut Yeah,
you know what, somebody uses the term social construct for anything.
I immediately think, all right, your worldview came from some
radical professor. It exists, but it doesn't exist nearly as
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much as you think it exists. There chum anyway, So
really interesting demographic data is coming out. We've talked about
it before, about women's changing expectations and politics and desire
to get married and desire to have kids and that
sort of thing. And as we mentioned yesterday, I think
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it was men, particularly conservative men are as interested in
having children as they have ever been. Well that's an overstatement,
but certainly compared to like twenty thirty years ago.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
They are absolutely young.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
Men are interested in it, and women are way less
interesting did And the more liberal they are, the less
interested they are in having children. And there's this imbalanced
mismatch between men and women and their desire to get
coupled and have children, that sort of thing. And nobody
knows where this is going or if it's going to
be a long term trend or whatever.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
The gaps among liberal women are just crazy.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
They've changed completely in twenty years, thirty years in their attitudes.
What seems to be changing is women's expectations, and the
likely culprit is men's prospects rights.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Who is this?
Speaker 3 (29:31):
She writes, really well, Emily Joshinsky for the Washington Post,
do we have time for this?
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Ladies?
Speaker 4 (29:40):
You need to find one of those tournament dudes with
the really big testicles.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Wow wow, Okay.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
Great historical data shows that when men's educational economic outcomes decline,
it is women without a college degree who experienced the
sharpest declines in marriage rates. And women's perceived appeal as
marriage partners is not declining, but men's is. And what
Emily brings home and maybe when we have more time,
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we'll talk about this at greater length. But she goes
into the whole war on boys in schools, the de industrialization,
efforts to make schools just custom made for girls and
act like boys are unhealthy. And I love this last part.
The trend line of women reporting a declining desire to
marry me indeed reflect pessimism about their prospects rather than
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the institution itself, and not for ideological reasons so much
as crack practical ones. If the last several decades have
taught us anything about the battle of the sexes, we
should remember that the war on boys is also a
war on girls.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
Yeah, you know, well, I have more to say about that,
because I know a lot of women who talk about
the poor pickings out there for dudes.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
You know, this is portrayed as women don't want to
get married.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
Okay, maybe they don't want to get married to dudes
who live with their parents and play video games all
day and who have been systematically emasculated by you and
the schools you designed.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Yeah, that's a.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
Complicated mixt amen from Katie there. Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, nice job.
The war on boys is a war on girls. My
band is going to be my rock band. My heavy
rock band is going to be called Tournament Testicles. That'd
be a good name for a base. I'm not going
to your shows. I don't care if there's no cover,
I'm not coming. You see the logo.
Speaker 6 (31:27):
Jack Armstrong and Joe Gatty the Armstrong and Getty Show.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
I got a Santa question for you.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
So there are two kinds of Santas, and one kind
has been growing a lot over the last decades or so.
So most of my Santa experience growing up, and I'm
talking about the Santa you meet at the mall, and
then also the kind of Christmas decorations you have. It
was kind of a campy, jokey, cartoonish, bright red.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Santa.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
And then you've got the other kind that I usually
saw in like richer people's houses or whatnot. The much
darker red looks like an Eastern Orthodox priest Santa Father Christmas?
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Is that it more a European? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Yeah, that look right? Which do you prefer? I go,
you're gonna yell at me for this because you're a monster.
I kind of like the variety of cultural norms involving Christmas.
I love center clause the Netherlands guy who comes with
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as David Sedaris famously wrote about six to eight black
men and beats the hell out of you if you're
a bad kid.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
But well, Katie, you have a thought on this. Do
you know what I'm talking about? Yeah? I do.
Speaker 5 (32:59):
I like the I like the red, the typical one
that you see.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
You haven't meant to like the Santa pub crawls.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
Yeah, yeah, I kind of like the bright red, cartoonish
looking Santa.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
Right, I'm not gonna do like a Father Christmas type
blow up in my yard, for instance.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
People would look at that and say, what the hell
is that?
Speaker 3 (33:18):
Well, it's it's you know, and this might make some people, man,
but I've always felt like that other one kinda is
like put trying to push Santa into part of the
Jesus story. It's like a religious figure because it looks
very Eastern Orthodoxy church like. Well, I hate to contradict
your seculary humanist filth, but Saint Nicholas, Please anybody, Saint Nicholas.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
It's a religious ceremony, it's a tradition. It's the birth
of Christ, for the love of Heaven. I understand that.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
But I have a pretty I have a pretty stark defines,
and for the season, I've got them very divided.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
There's the Jesus Christmas and then there's.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
The frost Genius, Frosty the Snowman, right, bright Red. You
know that whole thing, which is they have nothing to
do with each other really, And I feel like the
other kind of Santa tries to blend them together and aware.
Oh you know, I shouldn't have want you. I will continue,
(34:26):
but I shouldn't have There's a weird parallel. And I'm
not a scholar on this, so this will be you know,
half assed at best, but a weird parallel between the
way the early Christian Church co opted pagan holidays and said, hey,
this fertility of the you know, or this fertility festival.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Is now going to be about the resurrection of Jesus.
So it's around the same time in the calendar. Let's
let's let's make it this.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
It's kind of there's a completely secular holiday that's arisen
from Christmas.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
I had the Eastern Orthodox Church looking Santa in the restaurant.
Came into the restaurant we were in last night and
took some pictures with my kids. He doesn't wear the
hat because that's would be a little too jokey.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
It's a serious man. Yeah, this guy looks serious. No
hoo ho ho ing or anything like that. Was like
seriousness and we're down to business.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
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took the day off. We are not live from studio.
See we're home.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Actually it's my son's birthday, so I'm not celebrating that problem. Excellent, Well,
happy birthday to your son, and enjoy this carefully SELECTI
I mean fine booth cal good. Weeks were spent in
coming up with the perfect combination of.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Past segments from the Armstrong and Getty Show.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
So let's all enjoy the Armstrong in Geddy replays. I'm
looking at a graph. It's an animated graph. It moves
the years.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Those are so cool. I love them.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
As the years go by, the bar graph changes. You're
not going to see that, although we've posted it at
Armstrong Ingeddy dot com.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
I retweeted it.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
If you follow us on x formerly known as Twitter,
I will there are a lot of numbers here. I
will attempt to help make sense of them. It's better
to see it. But people spent their time from nineteen
thirty through twenty twenty four, and the punchline being of course,
and we wonder why society's in decline. But in nineteen
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thirty two, family and school were virtually tied at twenty
two percent and change. Then you had friends at nineteen percent,
with neighbors eleven point three percent, church, ten percent, bars, restaurants,
et cetera, eight percent college. You know, down line. Obviously
online was zero percent. Very few people online in nineteen
(01:46):
thirty two. They just didn't enjoy it as much back then. Okay,
so let's just go ahead and jump like ten years. Oh,
let's see, let me silence there we go. Okay, so
nineteen forty two, you still have family and friends virtually tied.
School has fallen back a tiny bit. Neighbors is right
(02:07):
there where it always was in fourth place.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Church has declined a little bit.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Good time with coworkers, by the way, has gone up slightly.
It's now around five percent. How much time online in
nineteen forty two still zero jack, an excellent incisive question.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Let's go ahead and roll up.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Oh, I see people are category switching places.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
There we are in nineteen fifty two.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Friends has now surpassed family by about three percent. School
is still big, bars, restaurants and entertainment is now significantly
higher than it was. Wow, from the thirties to the fifties.
Hanging out with the bar, at the bars with the friends.
Family dropping a little bit interesting, Yeah, bar, but you
(02:52):
know it's bars, restaurants, etc. But it's definitely you're out more.
Neighbors has fallen back a little bit. Workers now has
gone from four percent way up to seven percent. It's
almost doubled how much time we spend, and church continues
to decline a little bit. Let's jump to nineteen sixty two.
We're getting close to the hippies. Yeah, Dan, not right
(03:13):
there yet. Friends is now clearly outstripped family by six
or seven percent. School has fallen slightly, Entertainment is now grown.
Time with co workers is now almost at ten percent.
It's now doubled from the original. Neighbors is in decline,
(03:33):
and church continues to fall. Part of it is not well,
it's all cultural, I guess, but it's not like attitudes.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
I mean, your coworker was your mule in nineteen oh.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Two's really not that great A conversational lests right right, Okay,
And now I'm going to skip ahead a few decades
as various.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
You're stubborn gym. I would say.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Various, you know, forces in our lives jockeying for position.
Nineteen ninety two, we're definitely spending the most time with
our friends, co workers.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
And bars, restaurants, et cetera. Have both passed.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Family church has continued to decline only slightly from the
sixties to the nineties, but much more time at work
and much more time out being entertained, which is which
is interesting. But the punchline is coming up, and some
of you are ahead of us. We're gonna pause right
at two thousand and two because there's about to be
a gigantic change. Online has gone from not to about
(04:38):
six and a half percent of our time online, even.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Though already by two thousand and two probably at work mostly. Yeah,
I'm going to backup just a little bit.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Yeah, online four percent in two thousand and then six
and three quarters percent in two thousand and two, which
is a significant change. But most of our time is
still with friends twenty seven percent, and workers and then
out getting entertained. Now let's introduce the smartphone, folks. I'm
just going to go to twenty twelve, ten years from then.
(05:10):
Online is now number one. It's gone from six seven
percent to twenty six percent, surpassing friends. Co workers is
still in third, bars and restaurants ten percent, And then
you get to family and school and church continues to
decline slightly. Online went from a non factor to how
(05:32):
most people spent most of their time in the span
of a decade.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
That's twenty twelve.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Let's go ahead up to twenty twenty four, ladies and gentlemen,
I give you the modern world online sixty one percent
of their time. Wow, two thirdd yes, fourteen percent. Friends,
which had always been number one since like the nineteen
lateineteen thirty and I'm only pretending to listen to my
(06:02):
friends so I can get back to my phone, or
you're sitting with your friends and you're all staring at
your phones together exactly. In fact, online is now four
and a half times the number that friends is. Coworkers
has declined, bars and restaurants has declined steeply, and that
includes bowling at least and whatever else, probably sports games
and that sort of thing too.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Family is a tiny fraction of what it was.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
School has declined significantly, Church has been cut in half
from fifteen years prior. College neighbors practically don't exist. It's
all online. Has anybody got any questions? That's well, I
have a statement that ain't gonna change. It's never came back.
(06:53):
As I always say, it can change in your life
if you decide to do it.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Societally, not so much. I'm talking about society.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
It ain't going to change for society, it ain't going back,
which is amazing. I mean, it's the biggest it's the
biggest revolution in what human beings are probably.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
That's ever happened.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Yeah, as a anthropologist, you've got to look at society.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Sure.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
As a human I look at society as a collection
of individuals, and I'm i the idea of I'm going
to change society is now. It's no change yourself, change
the people you care about. That's the only thing you,
as a human being, should be worried about. Honestly, the
immediately local and as I always say, those of us
who remember the before times are aging right and will
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be gone in a blink of an eye, and there
won't be anybody that remembers any of what life was
like before online, which was everything. It was everything right
every day, you know, prior to whatever Night ninety eight
was not online, every single thing, and then that it
gets obliterated, and there but anybody left who remembers what
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life was. On the other hand, on the upside, is
everybody's happy. Oh wait no, actually everybody's miserable. Loneliness is epidemic.
Therapists are printing money, et cetera. You know, interestingly, they
don't have babies, no babies. Google search volume for the
following things how to meet people has skyrocketed from what
(08:32):
is this millions of people from twenty five million to
one hundred million. From two thousand nine to two hundred
and twenty four, It's quadrupled. How to meet people, how
to meet new people? Similar where to make friends has
gone from that looks like fifteen million to over one
hundred million. The Google search feel lonely has gone from
(08:55):
forty five million or so up to it peeked during
not surprisingly at around ninety million. So people are aware
of how they feel, which you think.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
I hope they live to be a ripe old age.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
I really do, because I'd like I'd like like if
I can hang around to them one hundred and forty
years from now, I'd love to see where the world is,
where things are.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
I'm not optimistic.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
But you know, probably your average sixty year old through
history has been not optimistic. Thinks that you know, things
have changed and young people today and blah blah blah.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
But this time we're right, this time we're right.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
The uh the only.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Thing that really shakes up that thought in my head,
that rabbit hole, is that there will be gigantic, unforeseen,
cataclysmic changes.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
That will derail the whole.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
Uh you know, ABCD all of a sudden will be
at s or you know, or or in a completely
different or accounting backward like it's a priety test. I
can't even do that, sober officer. The as for me
and mine, I'm absorbing this. I am going to send
this to everybody I care about. The drop off in
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time with family and friends towards staring at your phone.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
I mean, what, you know, what is there to say
about that.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
Family, schooling and friends went from sixty one percent of
the time two now I silenced you earlier, went from
sixty one percent to family school and friends down to
(10:46):
there is twenty percent.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
So I think one of the problems also is if
you if you tell young people that, I think most
of them would say.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Yeah, that sounds really boring. Family friends in school kill me. Now.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
It's not like they would look at that and think, wow,
that seems like that would have been a great age
to be alive. Right to be entertained is not to
be nourished. I would say to them, you're not getting nourishment,
and then I would realize they're not listening.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
They're staring at TikTok.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
You need to argue with the human brain. Dopamine hits
seem to be pretty popular. We like our dopamine. I've
been arguing with my brain since the day I was born.
That dopamine hit gets a lot of people to do
a lot of things all day today and every day,
and there are trillions of dollars being made through it.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Yeah no, but they've got your best interests in mind.
Take their word for it. Sure they do it. Jack
Armstrong and Joey Armstrong and Getty Show.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Officials are saying this year's fall foliage season will end
sooner and we'll have more muted colors.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Cool.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
I guess I'll just kill myself there.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Wow Ah, that's funny.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
That's kind of a snarky millennial who gives a crap
about fall colors sort of joke.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
That sounds like some of my kids would really enjoy
that joke.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
So Katie, Katy, Katie needs to set up this clip
because this is a big deal.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Uh Okay.
Speaker 5 (12:22):
So I've talked a couple of times on the program
about how my husband and I have been going through
the IVF process, uh.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Trying to get knocked up.
Speaker 5 (12:30):
And we in the beginning of September went through the
embryo transfer of our little baby boy that will obviously
be named Jack Joe Mike Mike. And last Thursday we
had our first ultrasound and heartbeat appointment.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
So unlike me, he has a heart that's little Jack
Joe Mike Mike. That's little Jack Joe Mike Mike's heartbeat.
Think you has a art that's a good joke. Oh yeah,
that's freaking amazing and incredible. It is.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
And uh, I was thinking this the other day because
my son's band teacher, they're having their first kid, and
he's all excited about that. There is nothing as life
changing or relationship changing as the first kid. I mean,
just everything in the entire world that you think about
changes when that happens. It is amazing.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
When Judy was first pregnant with Caitlin, many many moons ago,
I dove into fetal development. I became super interested in
it for obvious reasons, and read books and articles and
stuff like that. And I'm not going to get into
the politics of this because it's not an appropriate moment.
But anybody who thinks a fetus is not a human
(13:50):
being till very late in the game has no idea
what they're talking about.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
Oh, I mean, it's the pictures that I'll put them
on my Twitter account. She took the cursor and she pointed,
you can see his little arms in his legs in
the ultrasound, and he is currently the size of a
jelly bean.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
But a fully recognizable human. Give it another couple of months.
Speaker 5 (14:13):
Oh, I can't wait. It's just it's been so amazing
and the process was hard but so worth it. And
to hear that made it. I mean, I knew it
was real, but hearing that heartbeat just kind of brought
it all the more to life for me.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Oh, of course, how long has that technology been around?
Did they have it when your first kid was born?
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Joe? Yeah, Oh yeah, so it's been around that long.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know how it's progressed in terms
of like sensitivity and how early you can hear the
heart beat and that sort of thing. I don't know,
but like all this stuff unimaginable to my parents, knowing
the sex ahead of time, or hearing the heart beat
or knowing anything.
Speaker 5 (14:51):
So my my, I did have I misspoke. I had
one ultrasound prior. Could not hear the heart beat last Thursday?
Did hear the heartbeat? I'm at eight and a half weeks.
It was a little fast. Were you drinking a lot
of coffee here?
Speaker 3 (15:04):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Just totally jacked up.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
No, it's just sounds like it sounds like me after
I come up a flight of stairs pretty much exactly.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
It's more stairs than it looks. That's me.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Four cups of coffee in, Yeah, that's Jack what he's
having one with caffeine free.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
He starts checking his pulse.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
End up at the er because I drink so much coffee.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Amazing, absolutely amazing.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
The miracle of life and the fact that a certain
segment of our political population thinks that a woman's supernatural
goddess like miraculous ability to bring life into the world
is somehow a lesser occupation than occupying a cubicle and
(15:56):
making a few bucks. That's a much more important and
recon respectable thing to do.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
It makes you equal with men? Yes, right, Why why
would you want to be equal with men? You're capable
of miracles. The only miracle that counts, and.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
That's being devalued. Family is being devalued. Makes me insane.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Well, congratulations on being a birthing person. Thank you. I
appreciate it. Soon to men.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Men can give birth too, so let's not be using
prejudicial terms like mother.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
Right, well, and so little Jack, Joe, Mike, Mike, is
you on May twenty seventh?
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Okay, that's a good that's a good time. Good time
is it for short? Probably? Joe?
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Right, something's got to give. Thank you for sharing that, Katie.
You know that's wonderful.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Katie.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
You know what I did this morning that was horrifying. Well,
I didn't do it on purpose. It just happened. For
whatever reason. I woke up and I was convinced it
was Saturday morning, so I will woke up and I
was like thinking of my plans for the day, and oh.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Well, you know, trick, the God's cruels, trick I just
was going through.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
You know it looks like it's going to be nice
and uh, probably ride my bike and then I'll do
this and cleaning yourge Monday.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Not only was it not Saturday, it was freaking Monday,
which is.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
The worst day. You're gonna get down the salt mine.
You're gonna dig, boy, that's what you're gonna do. That
was so tough on my psyche. It was painful. I
thought I was gonna cry.
Speaker 6 (17:27):
Grocery chains Stu Leonard says gained attention online after it
began offering vanilla sauce serve dipped in melted butter. So, yeah,
we're gonna need those Obamacare subsidies.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
That might fit into your story about scientists have figured
out why ice is slippery. I don't quite understand how
you could dip an ice cream cone into melted butter
and have that work. It seems like it would just
melt your ice cream cone into the melted butter and
you end up with a baking vests.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Now you'd quickly you quick dip it in the butter
hardens on your ice cream, and you have an inedible
thing nobody should ever put in their mouth.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
It's funny I hear about that, and I think, oh,
another dumb novelty ice cream flavor. People who are like
delighted by that over and over again, garlic ice cream,
you know, pickle flavored ice cream. They're happier than I am.
They're lucky I should them. They are bear flavored pizza. Yeah, people, gosh,
(18:33):
people will always react with joy to those stories.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
You're right, they are happier than you are. Yeah, huh.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
Anyway, so we talked about this scientist to laugh about
every That's what she said, joke.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Some of them are very amusing. Oh, some of them are.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
Some of them Mark you remember, for a while we
went with behind the scenes just like in prison, which
which is a tougher one to find. It's more it's
a more advanced form of that's what she said.
Speaker 4 (18:59):
I got a big les half out of my brothers
got our old coworker Jay told us this one one
of the funniest things I've ever heard. His thing to say,
if somebody walked into a room, so he's having a
conversation with somebody, somebody walks up to him, they don't
know what you're talking about, and you just say, and
that's why.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Women shouldn't pole vault. Anyway, what can I do for you? Right?
Speaker 3 (19:21):
Hilarious, It's very very funny.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Was that Jay Or was that Tim? Tim the sales guy?
That was Jay?
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Okay, So anyway, we were talking yesterday about how humans
rank on the scale of monogamy compared to other mammals.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
It was a fascinating discussion.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
At the top of the list, the California deer mouse
is apparently one hundred percent monogamous, and at the bottom
is the slutty slutty Soay sheep native to Scotland that
just will mate with anything that wanders by and is
pretty interesting. We got some good email comments too that
we're in. Are you using the term mate and have
(20:02):
sex interchangeably?
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Yeah, although, as we discussed yesterday, with humans, it's much
more complicated than other beasts because A we have birth control.
B we might copulate with multiple partners and then be
monogamous once we started producing children. Ce might have just
done three shots at yegermeister, right, Yeah, unfortunate anyway, it
(20:28):
can skew the results. But so I did it a
little digging about, all right, how how monogamous are human
beings meant to be? Biologically? Because in you know, being
a human. We have societal pressures as well, cultural norms, religion,
that sort of thing.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
We have a word for that out of Marxism. This
is a social construct.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Oh, the patriarchy is pushed upon you. Some shut up now, yeah,
please be quiet, you you woke idiots. Anyway, So I
just did a little digging about what do biologists think
we're designed to be?
Speaker 2 (21:05):
And the answer is pretty interesting.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Anthropology doesn't really give a clear answer to the question
are we meant to be monogamous or not? Historically most
cultures have allowed polygamy, but within such cultures, most people
are monogamous. In the numerous cultures where polygamy is a
function of wealth, there are no doubt many monogamous men
(21:31):
who would be polygamous if they could buy more wives.
And then, of course there are the rare polyandrous cultures
where one woman may have multiple husbands. Other primates, though,
offer insights into our human nature. Among the hundreds of
primate species, by the way, worth mentioning, every single damn
(21:52):
one of them has two sexes, male and female. Anyway,
Some are bigamous, including are close relatives chimps and baboons.
Others are monogamous, like gibbons and marmo sets, Each group
has a different cluster of biological and behavioral traits. Here's
(22:13):
where I thought it gets really interesting. Among your polyamorous primates.
The males typically spend much of their time competing for
high rank in dominance hierarchies. So that gets them to
mate with the hot hot you know, lady chimps for instance,
So they drive a cool car or have nice clothes
right exactly, fly private anyway, that gives them mating access
(22:36):
to females.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
So in those speech.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Mating access is not the sexiest TERMINI I know, I know,
I know, males are so in these species the polyamorous ones,
males are far more aggressive, much bigger, heavier, and more
muscular than the females, and they have bigger canine teeth
the better to slash an opponent with. Male baboons, for example,
(23:01):
have twice the body weight in canine length of the females.
They are literally twice as big as the females. Such
primates are often called for good reason tournament species. Ooh,
tournament species males in these bigger canine teeth, could I
get those implanet? Oh?
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Absolutely you could.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Yeah, absolutely or order away for this supplement guaranteed to work,
good luck or turning it.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
So.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Males in these species have higher metabolic rates in shorter
lifespans than the females, and they basically put zero effort
into caring for kids. In other words, all the female
gets is the male's genes, and the females select for
males with good genes period, which has led to the
evolution of conspicuous, conspicuous, costly displays in males that advertise
(23:46):
good genes, flamboyant facial coloration, big capes of hair, silver backs.
They're the primate equivalents of peacocks with their beautiful feathers.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
I always thought my flamboyant facial coloration was working for me.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Because bright red when I get mad, right right, Ooh
he's sexy. Look how angry he is now.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
Because the fertile females will mate with multiple males, tisk tisk,
male male competition extends to sperm competition. So by primate standards,
polygamous male primates have large testes as a percentage of
body weight and high sperm production, and they will happily yeah, actually,
(24:34):
and they'll happily mate with anyone in the county who
is ovulating, So they walk around with their long incisors,
their huge size.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
They're big balls. The rest of it.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Now, among your monogamous pair bonding primates.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Who's ovulating, I'm ready for a mating episode.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
Critically, the males do much of the infant care. Thus
you don't see a male indiscriminately mating left and right,
or fighting other for a chance to do so, since
he'll be doing a lot of work. If there's a child,
I gotta stack a laundry, you wouldn't believe he'll be
raising a family. In these primates, there isn't a high
degree of sexual dimorphism, meaning huge differences in body sized, musculature, metabolism,
(25:15):
and lifespan, and males don't have those garish secondary sexual
characteristics like the polygamous species does. Testes or smaller sperm count, low,
mating infrequent, and these profiles are consistent. If ten seconds
into watching a newly discovered type of prime meat you
see that the males are twice the size of females
and have flashing neon noses, the issue is settled.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
It's a polygamous species.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
If you can't if it takes a minute to tell
the difference between the sexes they're monogamous.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
Well, what I think is, did this just both ways
worked evolutionarily speaking, and.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Could have gone either way? It just went one way
for one reason.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
Or is it that particular animal that way better than
the other way?
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Don't know enough to answer that ques question, but it's
a good one.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
I'm super super into evolutionary stuff and watches gazillions of
videos about it, and I have learned from him that
it's not near you'd think after all these gazillions of years,
we'd like really perfected it. There's a lot of luck
involved in some ways, there's two ways. Sometimes there's two
ways to get to the same point, and this way
(26:22):
is as good as that way. So human beings, you know,
in one part, a different human species did it this way,
and this human species did it this way.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Not for any particular reason, just kind of worked out
that way.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Yeah, So let's bring it home to humans now, So
you get your polygamous with their big incisors and their
huge size and their short life spans the rest of it.
Then you got the entirely monogamous. They're much harder to
tell apart blah blah blah. So by these various biological measures,
are human a pair bonding or a tournament species, neither
(26:57):
Across populations, men are roughly ten percent taller and twenty
percent heavier than women. We need twenty percent more calories
and live about six percent shorter, more sexually dimorphic than
monogamous species, less than polygamous species. Moreover, compared with say,
monogamous gibbons human billy gibbons, for instance, of zz top
(27:19):
human males have bigger testes and higher sperm counts, but
pale in comparison to polygamous chimps.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Measure after measure, it's the same.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
Turns out that we aren't monogamous or polygamous by nature,
as everyone from poets to divorce attorneys can attest, we
are by nature a profoundly confused species somewhere in between.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
Well, we have because we have the ability to think
and make decisions and let our instincts run wild or
curtail or instincts if we'd come up with a.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Worldview that convinces us we should. Indeed, yeah, indeed.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
Monkeys are not thinking about what would Jesus do when
it comes to you know, having sex with another monkey.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
They should, but they don't.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Only hippies who are trying to get laid or going
around trying to concease. You know, we're not meant to
be monogamous. That's a social construct. What ever? Shut Yeah,
you know what, somebody uses the term social construct for anything.
I immediately think, all right, your worldview came from some
radical professor. It exists, but it doesn't exist nearly as
(28:20):
much as you think it exists. There chum anyway, So
really interesting demographic data is coming out. We've talked about
it before, about women's changing expectations and politics and desire
to get married and desire to have kids and that
sort of thing. And as we mentioned yesterday, I think
(28:42):
it was men, particularly conservative men are as interested in
having children as they have ever been. Well that's an overstatement,
but certainly compared to like twenty thirty years ago.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
They are absolutely young.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
Men are interested in it, and women are way less
interesting did And the more liberal they are, the less
interested they are in having children. And there's this imbalanced
mismatch between men and women and their desire to get
coupled and have children, that sort of thing. And nobody
knows where this is going or if it's going to
be a long term trend or whatever.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
The gaps among liberal women are just crazy.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
They've changed completely in twenty years, thirty years in their attitudes.
What seems to be changing is women's expectations, and the
likely culprit is men's prospects rights.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Who is this?
Speaker 3 (29:31):
She writes, really well, Emily Joshinsky for the Washington Post,
do we have time for this?
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Ladies?
Speaker 4 (29:40):
You need to find one of those tournament dudes with
the really big testicles.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Wow wow, Okay.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
Great historical data shows that when men's educational economic outcomes decline,
it is women without a college degree who experienced the
sharpest declines in marriage rates. And women's perceived appeal as
marriage partners is not declining, but men's is. And what
Emily brings home and maybe when we have more time,
(30:07):
we'll talk about this at greater length. But she goes
into the whole war on boys in schools, the de industrialization,
efforts to make schools just custom made for girls and
act like boys are unhealthy. And I love this last part.
The trend line of women reporting a declining desire to
marry me indeed reflect pessimism about their prospects rather than
(30:29):
the institution itself, and not for ideological reasons so much
as crack practical ones. If the last several decades have
taught us anything about the battle of the sexes, we
should remember that the war on boys is also a
war on girls.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
Yeah, you know, well, I have more to say about that,
because I know a lot of women who talk about
the poor pickings out there for dudes.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
You know, this is portrayed as women don't want to
get married.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
Okay, maybe they don't want to get married to dudes
who live with their parents and play video games all
day and who have been systematically emasculated by you and
the schools you designed.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Yeah, that's a.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
Complicated mixt amen from Katie there. Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, nice job.
The war on boys is a war on girls. My
band is going to be my rock band. My heavy
rock band is going to be called Tournament Testicles. That'd
be a good name for a base. I'm not going
to your shows. I don't care if there's no cover,
I'm not coming. You see the logo.
Speaker 6 (31:27):
Jack Armstrong and Joe Gatty the Armstrong and Getty Show.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
I got a Santa question for you.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
So there are two kinds of Santas, and one kind
has been growing a lot over the last decades or so.
So most of my Santa experience growing up, and I'm
talking about the Santa you meet at the mall, and
then also the kind of Christmas decorations you have. It
was kind of a campy, jokey, cartoonish, bright red.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Santa.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
And then you've got the other kind that I usually
saw in like richer people's houses or whatnot. The much
darker red looks like an Eastern Orthodox priest Santa Father Christmas?
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Is that it more a European? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Yeah, that look right? Which do you prefer? I go,
you're gonna yell at me for this because you're a monster.
I kind of like the variety of cultural norms involving Christmas.
I love center clause the Netherlands guy who comes with
(32:44):
as David Sedaris famously wrote about six to eight black
men and beats the hell out of you if you're
a bad kid.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
But well, Katie, you have a thought on this. Do
you know what I'm talking about? Yeah? I do.
Speaker 5 (32:59):
I like the I like the red, the typical one
that you see.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
You haven't meant to like the Santa pub crawls.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
Yeah, yeah, I kind of like the bright red, cartoonish
looking Santa.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
Right, I'm not gonna do like a Father Christmas type
blow up in my yard, for instance.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
People would look at that and say, what the hell
is that?
Speaker 3 (33:18):
Well, it's it's you know, and this might make some people, man,
but I've always felt like that other one kinda is
like put trying to push Santa into part of the
Jesus story. It's like a religious figure because it looks
very Eastern Orthodoxy church like. Well, I hate to contradict
your seculary humanist filth, but Saint Nicholas, Please anybody, Saint Nicholas.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
It's a religious ceremony, it's a tradition. It's the birth
of Christ, for the love of Heaven. I understand that.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
But I have a pretty I have a pretty stark defines,
and for the season, I've got them very divided.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
There's the Jesus Christmas and then there's.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
The frost Genius, Frosty the Snowman, right, bright Red. You
know that whole thing, which is they have nothing to
do with each other really, And I feel like the
other kind of Santa tries to blend them together and aware.
Oh you know, I shouldn't have want you. I will continue,
(34:26):
but I shouldn't have There's a weird parallel. And I'm
not a scholar on this, so this will be you know,
half assed at best, but a weird parallel between the
way the early Christian Church co opted pagan holidays and said, hey,
this fertility of the you know, or this fertility festival.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Is now going to be about the resurrection of Jesus.
So it's around the same time in the calendar. Let's
let's let's make it this.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
It's kind of there's a completely secular holiday that's arisen
from Christmas.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
I had the Eastern Orthodox Church looking Santa in the restaurant.
Came into the restaurant we were in last night and
took some pictures with my kids. He doesn't wear the
hat because that's would be a little too jokey.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
It's a serious man. Yeah, this guy looks serious. No
hoo ho ho ing or anything like that. Was like
seriousness and we're down to business.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
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