January 2, 2026 • 36 mins
Featured in Hour Three of The A&G Replay...
- Moving Day &:How Progressives Caused Housing Crisis
- Making Fun of Family After Surgery
- How Jack Removes His Jacket /See You in My Office
- Michaelangelo's Towels :Throw Away or Give Away?
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George
Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong, Joe Getty.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Armstrong and Getty, and He Armstrong and Getty Strong. I'm
already broken all of my resolutions. I got drunk today.
I didn't go to the gym. I eight donuts, so
I'm off to a bad stuck.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
My resolution is to have a higher resolution TV. It
occurred to me when I said the words, so I'm
off to the store. Meanwhile, you enjoy some great Armstrong
and Getty replay. So mentioned during the radio show today
that the number of Americans who move to pursue a
better gig is dropped to like the all time low
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as far as anybody can tell.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
And I made reference to an article we'd talked about.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
It had to be at least oh, it was a
long time ago, about how progressive froze the American dream
in the Atlantic, and it talked about how nobody's moving
like we used to as a people. And it's really interesting.
It's long. It's the Atlantic, of course, but all sorts
(01:23):
of different quotes from historians and observers of the American scene,
and the one thing that strikes everybody is how mobile
we are, and how you don't grow up in the
same village your family's been in for two hundred and
fifty years and you never leave there, and anybody who
comes there is viewed with great suspicion because what are
you doing here? This is our village, and how America
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is not like that at all. No, it never has
been up until now, I guess, but it's funny. It
just popped into my head. One of them, not one of.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
The number one thing I don't like about the fact
that I came from a moving family as a kid
and now as an adult is the lack of other
family being around. I didn't grow up near cousins and grandparents.
My kids aren't growing up nearing cousins and grandparents. And
I see other people that have that in their lifestyle
and look so awesome. But we're not getting married and
(02:18):
having kids, and people seem to care less about family
than they ever have. So the moving hasn't stopped because
of that. It's got to be other reasons.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Yeah, it's also worth pointing out I know more than
one person who is driven completely insane by the proximity
of their family and the need to deal with them
on a regular basis, whether they like to or not,
because you can't choose your family.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
I hear those complaints, but I gotta believe over all
the upside to be better than the downside.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Depends who you ask, But yeah, I see your point.
So this is one of my favorite parts about this article.
Then I'll get to the main thing that I wanted
to bring to you. But when ceaseless migration, I'm sorry,
the ceaseless migration that we have shaped a new way
of thinking. When the mobility of populations was always so great,
the historian Carl Becker observed, the strange face, the odd speech,
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the curious custom of dress, and the unaccustomed religious faith
ceased to be a matter of comment or concern, and
as people lived to learn to live alongside one another,
the possibilities of pluralism or something like it opened. The
term stranger in other lands synonymous with enemy instead, wrote
Becker wrote, became a common form of friendly salutation. This
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is the only nation in the world that would say
something like cowdy stranger.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Oh that's true. Yeah, interesting.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
I thought that was kind of cool in a way.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
But anyway, the main reason I wanted to bring this
up is the concept of moving Day. And again we
talked about this months and months ago. But the great
American holiday, the great holiday of American society, at its
most nomadic, was Moving Day, observed by renters and landlords
throughout the nineteenth century and well into the twentieth. And
(04:06):
it's funny, there's a nickname for Saturday on the PGA tour.
It's moving Day because you try to get higher in
the standings whatever. But and I've always heard that expression,
but I've never known what it meant really. So nineteenth
and twentieth century Moving Day was a festival of new
hopes and beginnings, of shattered dreams and shattered crockery, as
a Chicago newspaper put it in eighteen eighty two, quite
(04:29):
as recognized today as Christmas or the fourth of July.
It was primarily an urban holiday, although many rural communities
where least farms predominated, held their own observances. The dates
differed from state to state and city to city. It's
April first in Pittsburgh, October first in Nashville and New Orleans.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
But May first was the most popular, and.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Nothing quite so astonished visitors from a ba abroad as
the spectacle of thousands upon thousands of people picking up
and swapping homes on a single day.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
I assume everybody has the same question to me, why
did that happen? I mean, why, how did everybody agree
that we're going to move on the same day.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
It just came to me exactly, leases just landlords. I mean,
there's an obvious incentive for having all of your potential
renters be available on the same day that your current
renters depart.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Oh, yeah, I know. I live in a college town.
That's the way it is now. As a renter, that's
exactly the way it is. You go whatever it is like.
Next week is when the college kids come to town
and the leases start. And that's just the way it
is every year.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Right, Yeah. I live in a resortee place, and Saturday
mornings outbound when all the condos and timeshares and hotels empty,
is crazy traffic. And Saturday afternoon inbound is crazy because
everybody's showing up to do their rentals. But if I'm
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renting a condo out it's perfect. Everybody knows it's Saturday,
check out at eleven, check in at four or whatever.
And so that's what evolved because we were such a
mobile people. Huge percentages of people moved every day. And
I've got those numbers around here somewhere. It's you know, again,
it's a very long article with the the numbers kind
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of spread here hither and yon. But so it just
came to be that moving day was the day everybody
moved in whatever city. For months before moving day, Americans
prepared for the occasion. Tenants gave notice little landlords or
received word of their new rent. Then followed a frenzied
period of house hunting as people, generally women, scouted for
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a new place to live that would in some respect
improve upon the old quote they want more room, or
they want as much room for less rent, or they
want a better location, or they want some convenience.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
Not heretofore enjoyed.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
The Topeka Daily Capitol summarized, there were months of general anticipation.
Cities and towns were alive with excitement. Then early on
the day itself, people commenced moving everything they owned down
to the street corners in great piles of barrels and
crates and carpet bags, vacating houses and apartments before the
new renters arrived. Be out at twelve you must for
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another family are on your heels.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
Uh blah blah blah.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
And my god, we were so much more illiterate back
in the days, and Thermapala was a very tame pass
compared with the excitement with rieses when two families meet
in the same hall.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
A Brooklyn minister warned.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Then the car men driving their wagons and drays through
the narrow roads exchanged charged extortion at rates, lashing mattresses
and furnishings atop other heaps of goods, and careening through
the streets to complete as many runs as they could
before nightfall, and treasure hunters picked up the detreatise in
the gutters as stuff fell off the wagons. Utility companies
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scrambled to register all the changes. Dusk found families that
had made local moves, settling into their new homes, unpacking belongings,
and meeting the neighbors.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Joe and I have both come from moving families, moved
a lot of as adults, Katie, did you or all
your relatives around?
Speaker 5 (08:19):
My relatives not all of my relatives were around, but
we stayed in the same town for thirty two years
of my life.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
See, that's unimaginable to me.
Speaker 5 (08:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
I mean, I just can't even picture what it would
be like, Michael, I know you've stayed in the same spot.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
Yeah, pretty much like Katie.
Speaker 5 (08:35):
Yeah, everybody knows everything and you can't go to the
grocery store without seeing somebody, you know.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Yeah, which is either a good thing or a bad thing,
depending on how you look at it. I had a
girlfriend years ago who she had everybody was in the
same area, and she would talk about, oh, boys, here
comes fall because for whatever reason, there were lots of
like cousins with birthdays and anever, and there's just like
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eight weekends in a row where everybody was expected to
be at Grandma's house because it's somebody's birthday or any
or something. It just like took up two months, and
she was trying to decide whether she wanted to tell
her parents. You know, I'm not going to do all
of them this year. I think. I think I just
can't because it was kind of expected that everybody showed
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up for everybody's birthday and I didn't. I don't have
that at all in my life, and you know, for
better or worse, a lot of it I think is worse.
I wish, I wish my kids would have been able
to be around cousins and stuff a lot that. But
I am raising my kids certainly with the idea of
if you can't find the job you want here, and
you probably can't go to where it is. Sure.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Yeah, So back in nineteen oh six, for instance, over
a five year span, this is in Saint Louis, Greater
Saint Louis. Over a five year span, eighty percent of
local families would have changed to dresses.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
It's amazing.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
We might have stayed in the same metro area or
the same county or whatever, but they would move.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
That's a completely different lifestyle.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
Yeah. Yeah, there's a different world in a lot of
different ways.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
And actually the point of this article, which is an
opportunity to take a shot at progressives, which you may
recall from the first time we discussed that was in
New York City, and like the sixties and seventies, progressives
came into neighborhoods and decided this should be preserved just
as it is. We can't lose the quaint character of
this neighborhood. And America would say, yeah, we want to
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update it, we want to improve it, we want to
tear down what is not efficient and build what is
efficient and do what we've always done as a country.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
But the progressives said, no, we can't do that.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
That's ugly and blah blah blah, and that is what
caused a lot of the shortages of housing in our cities.
And you know it's true. Oh and they make a
really really good case. And it is the nimby nature
of lefties and how they fall in love with a
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particular look. Never mind that that neighborhood didn't look like
that twenty years before, because that wasn't the right use
for that neighborhood. They didn't need as many you know,
shops and boutiques, they needed whatever, and twenty years from
now they'll need completely different stuff. So why are you
freezing it in Amber? Well, because it's Sweden. I live
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here and I want to protect my property value. At
the same time, somebody once said to me they were
talking about Rome, and they said, yeah, we tear down
our colosseums, so nobody, no future civilization will ever visit
our colosseums because we just tear them down and build
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something new, which is better.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
You win with the comment that everything was very different.
Back in nineteen oh six.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
It was very, very different. Computers were very slow, no
Wi Fi at all. No Wi Fi was spotty at best.
Coverage is spotty.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
The iPhone cameras were crap.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
They were like twelve pixels. Twelve pixels period. You guys
want to see something cool.
Speaker 6 (12:19):
My wife and I ran into this yesterday, ironically, nineteen
oh six San Francisco. They have footage of what it
was like in San Francisco in nineteen oh six.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
It's amazing.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Yeah, it is. It is. If you've seen it slowed
down and colorized, it's just incredible. Yeah. I love stuff
like that. If you had a time machine, you could
go back and just like walk around the street someplace.
It'd be endlessly fascinating.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Pick a new time like every week, do it a
few times a year.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Of course, she has scratched yourself on a rusty nail
and you'll be dead by the end of the day
because there's no antibiotics.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
But eh, where's that she would have been more care.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Oh wait a minute, Wait a minute, wait a minute, No,
there are no antibiotics.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
That's a good point.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
But if you add a technics shot that would go
with you to the other time right.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Right, Well, I guess I don't know. How do time
machines work. Do your vaccinations go with you in the
time machine? I assume they?
Speaker 4 (13:16):
Oh, sure they do?
Speaker 2 (13:17):
What?
Speaker 4 (13:18):
I don't know? Why would they?
Speaker 7 (13:21):
Jack Armstrong and Joe, The Armstrong and Getty Show, Jack
Armstrong and Joe Getty The Armstrong and Getty Show.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Can you set this up for us, Katie? What are
we about to hear?
Speaker 5 (13:38):
There's this trend going around the internet where people have
some form of a medical procedure done, and as they're
coming out of anesthesia, people film them.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
And in theory, the people closest to you, who care
most about you, the first thing on their mind is
how can I exploit this for clicks and laughs on
the internet? Right? And these people just say the darnedest
of things. Okay, so these are people coming out out
of anesthesia.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
Are you rich?
Speaker 2 (14:02):
I'm a nurse's definitely not rich, Sugar, add do you
have a boyfriend? No, I don't have I did.
Speaker 7 (14:12):
Nobody loves me.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
My wife she'll get upset if she sees you touching
me like that on my chestone. I'm gonna go out.
I'm just gonna it.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
Looks like a laser. You know, if you wanted to
excuse me, you can just act.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Don't film your loved ones coming out of anesthesia. But
it's funny. I have never talked about this on the air,
and I don't know the actual story. I just have
a feeling. So the most under anesthesia I've ever been
in my life is, uh, when they did one of
the things when I had cancer and to go into
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me and do a bunch of awful things and they
put me under, and uh, the whole day is a
bit of a blur. But I think I said something
I shouldn't have said to some woman, oh, just based
on the way she reacted. The next time I saw her.
She even said something along the lines and I can't
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quite remember because this is ten years ago, something along
the lines, Yeah, if we have to do that again,
I'm gonna have someone else do it. Just kind of
joke like like like she was joking like you, like
she thought I remembered, but I didn't, And I just
kind of smiled. And I've always thought, I wonder what
I did or said. That's dumb on her part.
Speaker 5 (15:32):
If she she's in the medical field and she's gonna
hold something you said under anesthesia against you.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
That's dumb.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Yeah, you're right and sucky. That's a decent point right there.
I mean, oh, no, you can't be held responsible for
that at all.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
I felt guilty about it for ten years.
Speaker 5 (15:49):
That makes me mad at her because just honest.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Just her body language is because I had I'd been
working with her for months on the medical stuff and
seeing her a couple times a week and everything like that.
Everything changed our relationship after that. She's in the wrong field.
So I don't know what I said to her. You've
never confronted her about it. No, I don't want to know.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
Kind of we should. Let's get her on the wall
right now. So I'm strung. You get it? WHA can
follow up.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Call do it? That's ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
I wonder.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
I wonder if it was just so prolonged and grassy,
or or they had to restrain me.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
I have no idea A little handsy, I took my
pants off. I have no idea what happened.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (16:37):
I still think that's really dumb. But that's a good point.
I mean, yeah, you're you're so my id ran. While
I can't help what my id did right right to
your super ego was still under. One of my favorite
of the waking up from anesthesia videos is it's this
woman and she's coming out of whatever she was going
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through and she looks over and her husband standing there
and she did not recognize him at all, and she goes, oh,
you're really cute, but I'm married, and he was like,
oh you are. That's and he played into it, and
then at the end of it he goes, well, I
am your husband, and she starts happy cry.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
She's like, really, that's so sweet. It is Sweet's glad
it didn't go the other direction exactly.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
You've got to be kidding. No, I would never marry.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
I chose you.
Speaker 7 (17:33):
Armstrong and the Armstrong and Getty shirt.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Yesterday we got on the topic of the fact that
I take my coat off like a woman. As my
son said, you take your coat off like a girl. Confirmed.
I checked with a friend who's known me for twenty
five years who said, yeah, you do take your coat
off like a girl. Thought really, okay, that's interesting. Then
yesterday took off my coat during the show for Katie.
She said, you absolutely take your goat. It's the way
I rolled my shoulders. Apparently, so we made a video
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of it and put it up for a vote, and
we posted on Twitter, and it's running sixty about two thirds. Yes,
I lack authority and otherwise in other words, I take
my coat off like a girl or no, about a third.
So most people seem to agree, and a lot of
comments on the video, for instance Dave who weighed in,
he may take his coat off like a lady, but
he takes his pantyhose off like a man. Okay, thank
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you for that. It's the way he puffs out his boobs.
That's what my son said. It's like you're trying to
push out your boobs but you don't have any Okay,
you're like a Ponzi hairdresser. This person said, Oh, Karen's henriady,
who's the insults? Huh, Karen Henri ready a fabulous human
being in a long time. A friend of the Armstrong
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and Getty show said, Michelangelo is a national treasurer. That's
for Michelangelo is pre sssipation in the video in which
he takes his jacket off like a man compared to
my taking it off like a girl.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
I went into this wanting to back you, Jack, but
yet you do huh big popular vote that your jacket's
too small?
Speaker 4 (19:18):
Yeah, well it wasn't when I bought it.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
Did you see Jamie's comment, our beloved former newswoman Jamie Coffee.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
I did not, she said, not sure.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
It's like a girl, but definitely more fluid and more
flair than Michaelangelow's cave man esque distrobing of his coat.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
So and you do you? Boo boo? She writes, that's
a very Jamie thing to say.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
Yeah, so Michael coming in for a little criticism.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Yeah, I don't know why I rolled my shoulders like that.
It's really made me think a lot about a lot
of things, giving you a James finplex.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
I have been a flaming heterosexual since early in my life.
I just knew it's girls for me from a very early,
you know, point in my life, and I have observed
girlishness and femininity in many, many different pursuits. I've never
thought about there being a feminine way to take off
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one's coat.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Now until people started posting gifts of women taking off
their coats. And that's the way I take my coat off.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
Huh.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Jack is an effeminate man who seeks recognition and approval
from others, especially the opposite sex for self esteem fulfillment.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
Okay, well, good psychoanalysis. That's no charge either.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
It's the shoulder roll, everybody says, so I'll work on it,
I guess, or of a shimmy. I don't know what
to do about that. Okay, So tell us your story, Katie,
or Joe has a prelude to Yes, Joe had something.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
Well, I was just gonna say, we uh, I'm not
even sure this person's with us anymore.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
Are first agent.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
We were not thrilled with the job he did, and
indeed we asked him to take his leave in favor
of Eric, the world's greatest agent. On the other hand,
the one thing that he did that I really appreciated,
he'd say, guys, call me, it's urgent.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
It's a good thing.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Yes, So he would always make it clear, hey, I
got to see you. Don't worry. Everything's cool, because he
knew that anybody who gets that summons is like, holy crap.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
All So, bosses, I've always wondered this, when you say
I'd like to see in my office at one o'clock,
do you get a kick out of people being scared
to death or does it or does it not occur
to you that unless you say it's a good thing,
everybody's worried they're about to be fired or something bad.
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Every time, not sometimes, not occasionally. Every time bosses you say,
I need to see in my own you're scared to death.
You're losing your job. So if it's not that, and
and and unless you get a kick out of them
being freaked out, you should say, as our agent used
to say, it's a good thing.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
Yeah, it's no big deal. We just got to deal
with something. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
Of course, if they were going to sack you, roll
in your life and cast you out into the poverty,
they wouldn't tell.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
You that, all right, of course, real quick here.
Speaker 6 (22:27):
But if you call your agent, he says, it's a
good thing, and he says, guess what, guys, I got
a new car.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
That doesn't help you. I'm watching the video. I haven't
watched the whole video yet. I had a crazy, busy day.
That's not cave managed. That's a man taking off his coat.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Michael, I apologize for even report repeating that that idiotic criticism.
I appreciate it. That's going to take off his coat.
It's uh, it's it's PONSI. It's hard to describe why,
but it's.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
I know, I wondering how I picked that up. Weirdly deliberate,
that's exact. That's funny. That is really weird. Let me
read the quote from and this is somebody who hadn't
seen me take a jacket off in twenty five years.
And I ask them, I mean, it's just weird that
they'd have any memory whatsoever. If somebody from who I
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haven't take a jacket off in twenty five years texted
me and said do I take my jacket off in
an effeminate way, I would say, what the hell are
you talking about? What they said, Yeah, you're very particular
and intentional when removing your jacket, very feminine. They use
the very word that you used. That's so strange.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
I know it is.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
This is this is a topic I have never spent
a single now second thinking about no in my many
decades on this planet.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
But you're in agreement with two thirds of people. Okay, whatever,
you know.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
I've got to admit I was I was tasked with
having because I bolted after the show yesterday. But I
was tasked with having Judy videotape me taking my coat off,
but she was insanely busy yesterday and we never got
it done. And now I'm a really curious about my
coat removal style, although nobody's ever mentioned it to me,
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so it's probably more normal. But I'm also totally aware.
Now i'll be hyper aware. I won't be able to
do it naturally.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
I wonder if I've ever sea blocked myself, if you'll
pardon the expression, having met a woman who's kind of
interested in me and then I take my coat off
and it's a deal breaker. It's like, no way I
could be with that guy.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
And maybe she's not even conscious of why. She's like,
I'm not a lesbian. There's probably a dozen beautiful women
out there. Jack that this has happened.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
I was like, I can't be with a guy who
takes off his jacket like me. They thought to themselves, Wow.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
Anyway, back to Katie.
Speaker 5 (24:57):
This is just a silly story that I had actually
forgotten about until this conversation came up. One of my
top favorite bosses of all time, and I think you
know Paul Hawsley.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Paul.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
What a good dude. Yeah, I love him.
Speaker 5 (25:13):
So I get off the air in San Francisco, and
he comes into the into the studio and he goes, hey, Katie,
I need.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
To talk to you in my office for a second.
Speaker 5 (25:19):
And he is stone serious, and I'm thinking, oh boy,
what did I say, what did I do?
Speaker 2 (25:24):
Whatever?
Speaker 5 (25:25):
So I go into his office and he sits me
down and he goes, so, what is going on.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
With your car?
Speaker 2 (25:32):
What?
Speaker 5 (25:33):
Yeah, exactly my reaction. I'm like, what what are you
talking about? You get out of your car like a dude,
and it's just weird.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Yes, it's off. Yeah, that was it.
Speaker 5 (25:43):
And he goes, you're the pictures on your car and
I'm like, the pictures on my car? The only thing
I have on my car is a blink one eighty
two sticker on my window. And he goes, okay, let's
let's go to the garage.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
So in the license plate.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (25:58):
So we walked down to the garage and we go
to the back of my car, which is parked right
next to the elevator, and at this time, the shows
so this is like ten thirty in the morning, Okay,
all over the back of my car, below the windshield
or below the windshield so I couldn't see it, are
triple X porn photos ripped out.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Of the magazine.
Speaker 5 (26:22):
Oh it went all the way up to just about
as triple X as you can get, and I.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Mortified.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
I looked at my like, Paul, I have keep in mind,
my drive to San Francisco was about thirty five minutes.
So I drove from home over the bridge into San Francisco.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
With this on the back of my car. Oh okay.
Speaker 5 (26:48):
So I go into my text messages because I hadn't
checked the people used to text message me at ungodly hours,
and I see a text from one of my friends
that says, hope you have a good work morning.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
And I knew I from this the second I saw
it and went it was him.
Speaker 5 (27:02):
He came up and walked to my house and he
taped these things to the back of my car. So
Paul and I had a little bit of a laugh
about it. We go back up into his office and
Paul goes, hey, let's call your friend. I'm like, okay,
So I call him.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
I call him and I start, you know, fake crying.
Speaker 5 (27:18):
I'm like, Ryan, dude, my boss, really, my.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Boss would like to talk to you. Really, my god.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
So this is this is the appropriate vengeance.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
This is uncomfortable. This is justice.
Speaker 5 (27:31):
So Paul has him on speakerphone and he goes, Hi, Ryan,
this is this is Katie's a program director here in
San Francisco, and I just wanted to discuss the images
that you put on the back of her car. We
actually have security from the building here as well. And
you could hear Ryan going oh no, no, no, and then
Paul start busting up laughing.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
But anyway, that that's pretty good.
Speaker 5 (27:50):
The reason this story came up is because we were
talking about the weirdest reasons we've ever been called into
our boss's office, and my brain went, oh, my god,
that happened.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
Oh that is That is a good to get back
at somebody. Though I wouldn't not have thought of that.
That's good God. Oh it was mortifying.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Anyway, if you are doing this job and you get
called into the boss's office and you're not fast forwarding
through everything you said in your head, you're not doing
the job right. Right.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
It was a short walk.
Speaker 5 (28:19):
To Paul's office, but I'm going, Okay, what did I
I did this news story a comment?
Speaker 2 (28:23):
I'm like, I had no idea at.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
All, wed go ahead, and jem I was just gonna
say we've like had serious stressful issues with people completely
freaked out and pissed off some of them performatively about
things we've said.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
And I'd say two of the three I never saw coming.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
No. I was just gonna say. Every time I've gotten
in trouble for saying something, it's like something I didn't
even remember. I say edgy things sometimes and they go,
oh boy, that might get me in trouble. That's not
the one. It's the thing I didn't even think of
for some reason that usually ends up with the TV
cameras outside the radio station.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
And then there is I need to come up with
a name for it. It's like my white whale. It's
the one thing I said once that I thought, that's it.
I've ended my career. I shouldn't have said that. Whoops,
And I was.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
I was.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
I was virtually certain it would be devastating and nothing
ever came of it. And you can ply me with booze.
You can put me on the rack. You can there
the other thing, well, the other thing might get me.
I don't know, try it.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
But I gotta go to church.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
I need to get to go to church and have
my ears and watched cat and I will never admit it.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
I will never repeat it. It will not be repeated.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Had one time we angered the Asians and every TV
station sent their Asian girl reporter to the radio station to.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
And that was the funny part of it. And we've
seen that sort of thing. If you say something insensitive
about like a remit of action for black people or
something like that, all of a sudden you find out
every station in town happens to have a black reporter too. Wow,
when they're reporting on this story, it's hilarious once you
become aware of it's it's like one hundred percent Italian
(30:13):
Americans are angered at the cancelation of the parade.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
We go to Luigi Praconi for a report.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Come on.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
The Armstrong and Getty Show, Jack Morgo podcasts and our
hot links The Armstrong and Getty Show.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
What's your Story? Michael.
Speaker 6 (30:39):
My wife has looked in the closet and says, I
need to throw away all my old.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Clothes basically because of fashion or size.
Speaker 6 (30:47):
I don't wear them and it's just taking up space.
But yeah, do I I guess the question I have is,
for example, we have some old towels she wants to
change out the towels.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
But I've told.
Speaker 6 (30:56):
Her, hey, just wash them, we can give them away
to goodwill or something like that. She wants me to
throw them away. And how often do you change out
towels for example? I mean, do you guys change them
out every rid of them?
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (31:08):
I mean do you change them out every six months?
Speaker 3 (31:11):
No? When we're ashamed of them, that's when you you
get rid of there's you're embarrassed for people to look
at them.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
I realize my lifestyle is not like most people's, but
I don't know that I ever have in my life
other than like they just get lost or something.
Speaker 6 (31:27):
But yeah, like you, Jack, I just keep the same
towels and keep rewashing them. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Yeah, I've never kept thirty years. I've never kept a
towel long enough to wear it out. I don't think can.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
How do you lose them like a bass? Tell what
happens to them?
Speaker 2 (31:41):
I don't know. I don't have the same towels I
don't have well, I don't have the same towels I
had when I was twenty five. But I never act.
That's what I'm asking, That's what I'm wondering too. I've
never actively gotten rid of them. You know what I
do a lot, and this is not good. Is I've
moved a lot in my life. I'm bad at unpacking.
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I'm doing this right and out my house. I have
an unpacked since my last move. Like I bought some
new a new screwdriver last night at the store because
I don't know where my screwdriver is from the move,
so I probably do that. I got boxes of old towels.
I've never opened the boxes, so I had to get
new towels. That's probably what I do. But no, I
have never thought, does your wife do this because she
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wants a different look, like a different color, or is
it because she thinks they're worn out?
Speaker 6 (32:28):
She thinks they're worn out, well, then get new towels.
But what's what I'm trying to save money? And so
what's a worn out towel? What is a worn out towel?
Speaker 3 (32:36):
It looks kind of threadbare and just blah, doesn't look
nice anymore?
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Unraveling, Okay, I don't.
Speaker 6 (32:42):
I just figure if it washes my body and I'm
happy with it, I wash them and that's it. You
wash yourself with your towel, well, you know you dry
yourself with the towel.
Speaker 4 (32:50):
But there you go.
Speaker 6 (32:51):
As far as saving money, though, I just, I just
I don't want her to keep buying new stuff.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
And it's just, well, this sounds like a thing between
you and your wife.
Speaker 4 (32:58):
But wow, yeah, I don't want any involved it.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
No, I have opinions, but it just doesn't seem like
a good idea away. And although I buy high quality
towels so they would last practically forever, I'm one of
the few things and I've always been willing to spurge on.
I love the feel of a good, high quality towel.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
Huh.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (33:14):
She wants me to throw them away, not give them away.
She says, you can't give those two goodwill And I said,
why not? They're perfectly fine, and she says, no, no,
we've been using them.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
And I say, well, just wash them.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
You know, I would say, bring them to said charity
or a charity of your choice, and if they want them,
they'll take them. If they don't, they will heave them.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Go ahead, Katie, I've got comments, but.
Speaker 5 (33:37):
No, I'm just I mean, how bad of shape are
they in? Michael read the newspaper through them. No, No,
they're in good shape. No, And I do not want
to weigh in this on this at all.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
I'm only asking a lady wants new towels, all right, Katie,
I'm only a lady, or tells I'm only asking for
information purposes, so she doesn't want to give them away
because she doesn't think it's cool to give somebody a
used towel. Correct, Okay, well, okay, by definition, I mean
goodwill stuff tends to go to people that are pretty
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down and out usually, and I think they'd rather have
a used towel of a no towel.
Speaker 4 (34:13):
But you can always jam.
Speaker 5 (34:16):
I was sorry to like the SPCA or something for
the animals.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Dogs don't use towels. I've watched dogs over and over.
They just shake.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
I wish they would. Um boy does bashirt like if
we walk him in the rain?
Speaker 4 (34:28):
Boyd does.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
He liked to get toweled off, so it's a win win.
He's not resistant to it because it feels really it's.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
A race between getting the towel on the dog and
them shaking there standing in the doorway or something like
that and they shake. You got hair and splacker everywhere.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
Pro tip towels in the garage. You gotta be prepped.
You gotta be ready.
Speaker 4 (34:47):
Uh where were we?
Speaker 3 (34:49):
Oh yeah, let the free market function, missus, Mike Lingel.
If somebody wants to buy the towels, let them. That
is a coming together of a need and a fulfillment
of that need.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Of course, I'm a guy who I used shoes off
of eBay and stuff like that, So I mean, I
think a shoe is way grosser than a towel.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
Wash a towel.
Speaker 5 (35:06):
Yeah, whenever, Uh, my parents go through a towel or whatever,
my dad cuts it in half and uses them for
the gym.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
That's a good idea. Or use it just for like
cleaning my car, washing my car, d something like that. Yeah,
that is I've done that with towels before. That's true.
I have done that. They move from the drying my
body to the drawing my motorcycle.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
Yeah sure, yeah to the garage. Yeah there you go,
win win Michael out to the garage.
Speaker 6 (35:31):
Huh Hey thanks guys. So I'm not throwing them away.
That's that's the bottom line. I'm not gonna throw this.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
You're willing to die on that hill?
Speaker 4 (35:38):
Yes, yes, I am.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
In a couple more years out of them.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
Michael Tonight on THHC towel hoarders.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
TLC.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
What is now THHC is pot, that's yes, never mind,
Well to.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
TLC is fine. We don't want this to move to
a Judge Judy situation where you got Michael and his
wife yelling at each other and throw away the towels.
They're disgusting, she says, Armstrong and getty,
Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George
Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong, Joe Getty.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Armstrong and Getty, and He Armstrong and Getty Strong. I'm
already broken all of my resolutions. I got drunk today.
I didn't go to the gym. I eight donuts, so
I'm off to a bad stuck.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
My resolution is to have a higher resolution TV. It
occurred to me when I said the words, so I'm
off to the store. Meanwhile, you enjoy some great Armstrong
and Getty replay. So mentioned during the radio show today
that the number of Americans who move to pursue a
better gig is dropped to like the all time low
(00:57):
as far as anybody can tell.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
And I made reference to an article we'd talked about.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
It had to be at least oh, it was a
long time ago, about how progressive froze the American dream
in the Atlantic, and it talked about how nobody's moving
like we used to as a people. And it's really interesting.
It's long. It's the Atlantic, of course, but all sorts
(01:23):
of different quotes from historians and observers of the American scene,
and the one thing that strikes everybody is how mobile
we are, and how you don't grow up in the
same village your family's been in for two hundred and
fifty years and you never leave there, and anybody who
comes there is viewed with great suspicion because what are
you doing here? This is our village, and how America
(01:45):
is not like that at all. No, it never has
been up until now, I guess, but it's funny. It
just popped into my head. One of them, not one of.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
The number one thing I don't like about the fact
that I came from a moving family as a kid
and now as an adult is the lack of other
family being around. I didn't grow up near cousins and grandparents.
My kids aren't growing up nearing cousins and grandparents. And
I see other people that have that in their lifestyle
and look so awesome. But we're not getting married and
(02:18):
having kids, and people seem to care less about family
than they ever have. So the moving hasn't stopped because
of that. It's got to be other reasons.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Yeah, it's also worth pointing out I know more than
one person who is driven completely insane by the proximity
of their family and the need to deal with them
on a regular basis, whether they like to or not,
because you can't choose your family.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
I hear those complaints, but I gotta believe over all
the upside to be better than the downside.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Depends who you ask, But yeah, I see your point.
So this is one of my favorite parts about this article.
Then I'll get to the main thing that I wanted
to bring to you. But when ceaseless migration, I'm sorry,
the ceaseless migration that we have shaped a new way
of thinking. When the mobility of populations was always so great,
the historian Carl Becker observed, the strange face, the odd speech,
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the curious custom of dress, and the unaccustomed religious faith
ceased to be a matter of comment or concern, and
as people lived to learn to live alongside one another,
the possibilities of pluralism or something like it opened. The
term stranger in other lands synonymous with enemy instead, wrote
Becker wrote, became a common form of friendly salutation. This
(03:34):
is the only nation in the world that would say
something like cowdy stranger.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Oh that's true. Yeah, interesting.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
I thought that was kind of cool in a way.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
But anyway, the main reason I wanted to bring this
up is the concept of moving Day. And again we
talked about this months and months ago. But the great
American holiday, the great holiday of American society, at its
most nomadic, was Moving Day, observed by renters and landlords
throughout the nineteenth century and well into the twentieth. And
(04:06):
it's funny, there's a nickname for Saturday on the PGA tour.
It's moving Day because you try to get higher in
the standings whatever. But and I've always heard that expression,
but I've never known what it meant really. So nineteenth
and twentieth century Moving Day was a festival of new
hopes and beginnings, of shattered dreams and shattered crockery, as
a Chicago newspaper put it in eighteen eighty two, quite
(04:29):
as recognized today as Christmas or the fourth of July.
It was primarily an urban holiday, although many rural communities
where least farms predominated, held their own observances. The dates
differed from state to state and city to city. It's
April first in Pittsburgh, October first in Nashville and New Orleans.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
But May first was the most popular, and.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Nothing quite so astonished visitors from a ba abroad as
the spectacle of thousands upon thousands of people picking up
and swapping homes on a single day.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
I assume everybody has the same question to me, why
did that happen? I mean, why, how did everybody agree
that we're going to move on the same day.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
It just came to me exactly, leases just landlords. I mean,
there's an obvious incentive for having all of your potential
renters be available on the same day that your current
renters depart.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Oh, yeah, I know. I live in a college town.
That's the way it is now. As a renter, that's
exactly the way it is. You go whatever it is like.
Next week is when the college kids come to town
and the leases start. And that's just the way it
is every year.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Right, Yeah. I live in a resortee place, and Saturday
mornings outbound when all the condos and timeshares and hotels empty,
is crazy traffic. And Saturday afternoon inbound is crazy because
everybody's showing up to do their rentals. But if I'm
(06:03):
renting a condo out it's perfect. Everybody knows it's Saturday,
check out at eleven, check in at four or whatever.
And so that's what evolved because we were such a
mobile people. Huge percentages of people moved every day. And
I've got those numbers around here somewhere. It's you know, again,
it's a very long article with the the numbers kind
(06:24):
of spread here hither and yon. But so it just
came to be that moving day was the day everybody
moved in whatever city. For months before moving day, Americans
prepared for the occasion. Tenants gave notice little landlords or
received word of their new rent. Then followed a frenzied
period of house hunting as people, generally women, scouted for
(06:45):
a new place to live that would in some respect
improve upon the old quote they want more room, or
they want as much room for less rent, or they
want a better location, or they want some convenience.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
Not heretofore enjoyed.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
The Topeka Daily Capitol summarized, there were months of general anticipation.
Cities and towns were alive with excitement. Then early on
the day itself, people commenced moving everything they owned down
to the street corners in great piles of barrels and
crates and carpet bags, vacating houses and apartments before the
new renters arrived. Be out at twelve you must for
(07:18):
another family are on your heels.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
Uh blah blah blah.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
And my god, we were so much more illiterate back
in the days, and Thermapala was a very tame pass
compared with the excitement with rieses when two families meet
in the same hall.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
A Brooklyn minister warned.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Then the car men driving their wagons and drays through
the narrow roads exchanged charged extortion at rates, lashing mattresses
and furnishings atop other heaps of goods, and careening through
the streets to complete as many runs as they could
before nightfall, and treasure hunters picked up the detreatise in
the gutters as stuff fell off the wagons. Utility companies
(08:00):
scrambled to register all the changes. Dusk found families that
had made local moves, settling into their new homes, unpacking belongings,
and meeting the neighbors.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Joe and I have both come from moving families, moved
a lot of as adults, Katie, did you or all
your relatives around?
Speaker 5 (08:19):
My relatives not all of my relatives were around, but
we stayed in the same town for thirty two years
of my life.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
See, that's unimaginable to me.
Speaker 5 (08:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
I mean, I just can't even picture what it would
be like, Michael, I know you've stayed in the same spot.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
Yeah, pretty much like Katie.
Speaker 5 (08:35):
Yeah, everybody knows everything and you can't go to the
grocery store without seeing somebody, you know.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Yeah, which is either a good thing or a bad thing,
depending on how you look at it. I had a
girlfriend years ago who she had everybody was in the
same area, and she would talk about, oh, boys, here
comes fall because for whatever reason, there were lots of
like cousins with birthdays and anever, and there's just like
(09:01):
eight weekends in a row where everybody was expected to
be at Grandma's house because it's somebody's birthday or any
or something. It just like took up two months, and
she was trying to decide whether she wanted to tell
her parents. You know, I'm not going to do all
of them this year. I think. I think I just
can't because it was kind of expected that everybody showed
(09:23):
up for everybody's birthday and I didn't. I don't have
that at all in my life, and you know, for
better or worse, a lot of it I think is worse.
I wish, I wish my kids would have been able
to be around cousins and stuff a lot that. But
I am raising my kids certainly with the idea of
if you can't find the job you want here, and
you probably can't go to where it is. Sure.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Yeah, So back in nineteen oh six, for instance, over
a five year span, this is in Saint Louis, Greater
Saint Louis. Over a five year span, eighty percent of
local families would have changed to dresses.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
It's amazing.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
We might have stayed in the same metro area or
the same county or whatever, but they would move.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
That's a completely different lifestyle.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
Yeah. Yeah, there's a different world in a lot of
different ways.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
And actually the point of this article, which is an
opportunity to take a shot at progressives, which you may
recall from the first time we discussed that was in
New York City, and like the sixties and seventies, progressives
came into neighborhoods and decided this should be preserved just
as it is. We can't lose the quaint character of
this neighborhood. And America would say, yeah, we want to
(10:39):
update it, we want to improve it, we want to
tear down what is not efficient and build what is
efficient and do what we've always done as a country.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
But the progressives said, no, we can't do that.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
That's ugly and blah blah blah, and that is what
caused a lot of the shortages of housing in our cities.
And you know it's true. Oh and they make a
really really good case. And it is the nimby nature
of lefties and how they fall in love with a
(11:09):
particular look. Never mind that that neighborhood didn't look like
that twenty years before, because that wasn't the right use
for that neighborhood. They didn't need as many you know,
shops and boutiques, they needed whatever, and twenty years from
now they'll need completely different stuff. So why are you
freezing it in Amber? Well, because it's Sweden. I live
(11:32):
here and I want to protect my property value. At
the same time, somebody once said to me they were
talking about Rome, and they said, yeah, we tear down
our colosseums, so nobody, no future civilization will ever visit
our colosseums because we just tear them down and build
(11:52):
something new, which is better.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
You win with the comment that everything was very different.
Back in nineteen oh six.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
It was very, very different. Computers were very slow, no
Wi Fi at all. No Wi Fi was spotty at best.
Coverage is spotty.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
The iPhone cameras were crap.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
They were like twelve pixels. Twelve pixels period. You guys
want to see something cool.
Speaker 6 (12:19):
My wife and I ran into this yesterday, ironically, nineteen
oh six San Francisco. They have footage of what it
was like in San Francisco in nineteen oh six.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
It's amazing.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Yeah, it is. It is. If you've seen it slowed
down and colorized, it's just incredible. Yeah. I love stuff
like that. If you had a time machine, you could
go back and just like walk around the street someplace.
It'd be endlessly fascinating.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Pick a new time like every week, do it a
few times a year.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Of course, she has scratched yourself on a rusty nail
and you'll be dead by the end of the day
because there's no antibiotics.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
But eh, where's that she would have been more care.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Oh wait a minute, Wait a minute, wait a minute, No,
there are no antibiotics.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
That's a good point.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
But if you add a technics shot that would go
with you to the other time right.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Right, Well, I guess I don't know. How do time
machines work. Do your vaccinations go with you in the
time machine? I assume they?
Speaker 4 (13:16):
Oh, sure they do?
Speaker 2 (13:17):
What?
Speaker 4 (13:18):
I don't know? Why would they?
Speaker 7 (13:21):
Jack Armstrong and Joe, The Armstrong and Getty Show, Jack
Armstrong and Joe Getty The Armstrong and Getty Show.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Can you set this up for us, Katie? What are
we about to hear?
Speaker 5 (13:38):
There's this trend going around the internet where people have
some form of a medical procedure done, and as they're
coming out of anesthesia, people film them.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
And in theory, the people closest to you, who care
most about you, the first thing on their mind is
how can I exploit this for clicks and laughs on
the internet? Right? And these people just say the darnedest
of things. Okay, so these are people coming out out
of anesthesia.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
Are you rich?
Speaker 2 (14:02):
I'm a nurse's definitely not rich, Sugar, add do you
have a boyfriend? No, I don't have I did.
Speaker 7 (14:12):
Nobody loves me.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
My wife she'll get upset if she sees you touching
me like that on my chestone. I'm gonna go out.
I'm just gonna it.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
Looks like a laser. You know, if you wanted to
excuse me, you can just act.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Don't film your loved ones coming out of anesthesia. But
it's funny. I have never talked about this on the air,
and I don't know the actual story. I just have
a feeling. So the most under anesthesia I've ever been
in my life is, uh, when they did one of
the things when I had cancer and to go into
(14:53):
me and do a bunch of awful things and they
put me under, and uh, the whole day is a
bit of a blur. But I think I said something
I shouldn't have said to some woman, oh, just based
on the way she reacted. The next time I saw her.
She even said something along the lines and I can't
(15:14):
quite remember because this is ten years ago, something along
the lines, Yeah, if we have to do that again,
I'm gonna have someone else do it. Just kind of
joke like like like she was joking like you, like
she thought I remembered, but I didn't, And I just
kind of smiled. And I've always thought, I wonder what
I did or said. That's dumb on her part.
Speaker 5 (15:32):
If she she's in the medical field and she's gonna
hold something you said under anesthesia against you.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
That's dumb.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Yeah, you're right and sucky. That's a decent point right there.
I mean, oh, no, you can't be held responsible for
that at all.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
I felt guilty about it for ten years.
Speaker 5 (15:49):
That makes me mad at her because just honest.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Just her body language is because I had I'd been
working with her for months on the medical stuff and
seeing her a couple times a week and everything like that.
Everything changed our relationship after that. She's in the wrong field.
So I don't know what I said to her. You've
never confronted her about it. No, I don't want to know.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
Kind of we should. Let's get her on the wall
right now. So I'm strung. You get it? WHA can
follow up.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Call do it? That's ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
I wonder.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
I wonder if it was just so prolonged and grassy,
or or they had to restrain me.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
I have no idea A little handsy, I took my
pants off. I have no idea what happened.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (16:37):
I still think that's really dumb. But that's a good point.
I mean, yeah, you're you're so my id ran. While
I can't help what my id did right right to
your super ego was still under. One of my favorite
of the waking up from anesthesia videos is it's this
woman and she's coming out of whatever she was going
(16:59):
through and she looks over and her husband standing there
and she did not recognize him at all, and she goes, oh,
you're really cute, but I'm married, and he was like,
oh you are. That's and he played into it, and
then at the end of it he goes, well, I
am your husband, and she starts happy cry.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
She's like, really, that's so sweet. It is Sweet's glad
it didn't go the other direction exactly.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
You've got to be kidding. No, I would never marry.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
I chose you.
Speaker 7 (17:33):
Armstrong and the Armstrong and Getty shirt.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Yesterday we got on the topic of the fact that
I take my coat off like a woman. As my
son said, you take your coat off like a girl. Confirmed.
I checked with a friend who's known me for twenty
five years who said, yeah, you do take your coat
off like a girl. Thought really, okay, that's interesting. Then
yesterday took off my coat during the show for Katie.
She said, you absolutely take your goat. It's the way
I rolled my shoulders. Apparently, so we made a video
(18:13):
of it and put it up for a vote, and
we posted on Twitter, and it's running sixty about two thirds. Yes,
I lack authority and otherwise in other words, I take
my coat off like a girl or no, about a third.
So most people seem to agree, and a lot of
comments on the video, for instance Dave who weighed in,
he may take his coat off like a lady, but
he takes his pantyhose off like a man. Okay, thank
(18:35):
you for that. It's the way he puffs out his boobs.
That's what my son said. It's like you're trying to
push out your boobs but you don't have any Okay,
you're like a Ponzi hairdresser. This person said, Oh, Karen's henriady,
who's the insults? Huh, Karen Henri ready a fabulous human
being in a long time. A friend of the Armstrong
(18:55):
and Getty show said, Michelangelo is a national treasurer. That's
for Michelangelo is pre sssipation in the video in which
he takes his jacket off like a man compared to
my taking it off like a girl.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
I went into this wanting to back you, Jack, but
yet you do huh big popular vote that your jacket's
too small?
Speaker 4 (19:18):
Yeah, well it wasn't when I bought it.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
Did you see Jamie's comment, our beloved former newswoman Jamie Coffee.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
I did not, she said, not sure.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
It's like a girl, but definitely more fluid and more
flair than Michaelangelow's cave man esque distrobing of his coat.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
So and you do you? Boo boo? She writes, that's
a very Jamie thing to say.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
Yeah, so Michael coming in for a little criticism.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Yeah, I don't know why I rolled my shoulders like that.
It's really made me think a lot about a lot
of things, giving you a James finplex.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
I have been a flaming heterosexual since early in my life.
I just knew it's girls for me from a very early,
you know, point in my life, and I have observed
girlishness and femininity in many, many different pursuits. I've never
thought about there being a feminine way to take off
(20:19):
one's coat.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Now until people started posting gifts of women taking off
their coats. And that's the way I take my coat off.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
Huh.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Jack is an effeminate man who seeks recognition and approval
from others, especially the opposite sex for self esteem fulfillment.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
Okay, well, good psychoanalysis. That's no charge either.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
It's the shoulder roll, everybody says, so I'll work on it,
I guess, or of a shimmy. I don't know what
to do about that. Okay, So tell us your story, Katie,
or Joe has a prelude to Yes, Joe had something.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
Well, I was just gonna say, we uh, I'm not
even sure this person's with us anymore.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
Are first agent.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
We were not thrilled with the job he did, and
indeed we asked him to take his leave in favor
of Eric, the world's greatest agent. On the other hand,
the one thing that he did that I really appreciated,
he'd say, guys, call me, it's urgent.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
It's a good thing.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Yes, So he would always make it clear, hey, I
got to see you. Don't worry. Everything's cool, because he
knew that anybody who gets that summons is like, holy crap.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
All So, bosses, I've always wondered this, when you say
I'd like to see in my office at one o'clock,
do you get a kick out of people being scared
to death or does it or does it not occur
to you that unless you say it's a good thing,
everybody's worried they're about to be fired or something bad.
(21:53):
Every time, not sometimes, not occasionally. Every time bosses you say,
I need to see in my own you're scared to death.
You're losing your job. So if it's not that, and
and and unless you get a kick out of them
being freaked out, you should say, as our agent used
to say, it's a good thing.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
Yeah, it's no big deal. We just got to deal
with something. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
Of course, if they were going to sack you, roll
in your life and cast you out into the poverty,
they wouldn't tell.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
You that, all right, of course, real quick here.
Speaker 6 (22:27):
But if you call your agent, he says, it's a
good thing, and he says, guess what, guys, I got
a new car.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
That doesn't help you. I'm watching the video. I haven't
watched the whole video yet. I had a crazy, busy day.
That's not cave managed. That's a man taking off his coat.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Michael, I apologize for even report repeating that that idiotic criticism.
I appreciate it. That's going to take off his coat.
It's uh, it's it's PONSI. It's hard to describe why,
but it's.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
I know, I wondering how I picked that up. Weirdly deliberate,
that's exact. That's funny. That is really weird. Let me
read the quote from and this is somebody who hadn't
seen me take a jacket off in twenty five years.
And I ask them, I mean, it's just weird that
they'd have any memory whatsoever. If somebody from who I
(23:25):
haven't take a jacket off in twenty five years texted
me and said do I take my jacket off in
an effeminate way, I would say, what the hell are
you talking about? What they said, Yeah, you're very particular
and intentional when removing your jacket, very feminine. They use
the very word that you used. That's so strange.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
I know it is.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
This is this is a topic I have never spent
a single now second thinking about no in my many
decades on this planet.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
But you're in agreement with two thirds of people. Okay, whatever,
you know.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
I've got to admit I was I was tasked with
having because I bolted after the show yesterday. But I
was tasked with having Judy videotape me taking my coat off,
but she was insanely busy yesterday and we never got
it done. And now I'm a really curious about my
coat removal style, although nobody's ever mentioned it to me,
(24:17):
so it's probably more normal. But I'm also totally aware.
Now i'll be hyper aware. I won't be able to
do it naturally.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
I wonder if I've ever sea blocked myself, if you'll
pardon the expression, having met a woman who's kind of
interested in me and then I take my coat off
and it's a deal breaker. It's like, no way I
could be with that guy.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
And maybe she's not even conscious of why. She's like,
I'm not a lesbian. There's probably a dozen beautiful women
out there. Jack that this has happened.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
I was like, I can't be with a guy who
takes off his jacket like me. They thought to themselves, Wow.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
Anyway, back to Katie.
Speaker 5 (24:57):
This is just a silly story that I had actually
forgotten about until this conversation came up. One of my
top favorite bosses of all time, and I think you
know Paul Hawsley.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Paul.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
What a good dude. Yeah, I love him.
Speaker 5 (25:13):
So I get off the air in San Francisco, and
he comes into the into the studio and he goes, hey, Katie,
I need.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
To talk to you in my office for a second.
Speaker 5 (25:19):
And he is stone serious, and I'm thinking, oh boy,
what did I say, what did I do?
Speaker 2 (25:24):
Whatever?
Speaker 5 (25:25):
So I go into his office and he sits me
down and he goes, so, what is going on.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
With your car?
Speaker 2 (25:32):
What?
Speaker 5 (25:33):
Yeah, exactly my reaction. I'm like, what what are you
talking about? You get out of your car like a dude,
and it's just weird.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Yes, it's off. Yeah, that was it.
Speaker 5 (25:43):
And he goes, you're the pictures on your car and
I'm like, the pictures on my car? The only thing
I have on my car is a blink one eighty
two sticker on my window. And he goes, okay, let's
let's go to the garage.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
So in the license plate.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (25:58):
So we walked down to the garage and we go
to the back of my car, which is parked right
next to the elevator, and at this time, the shows
so this is like ten thirty in the morning, Okay,
all over the back of my car, below the windshield
or below the windshield so I couldn't see it, are
triple X porn photos ripped out.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Of the magazine.
Speaker 5 (26:22):
Oh it went all the way up to just about
as triple X as you can get, and I.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Mortified.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
I looked at my like, Paul, I have keep in mind,
my drive to San Francisco was about thirty five minutes.
So I drove from home over the bridge into San Francisco.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
With this on the back of my car. Oh okay.
Speaker 5 (26:48):
So I go into my text messages because I hadn't
checked the people used to text message me at ungodly hours,
and I see a text from one of my friends
that says, hope you have a good work morning.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
And I knew I from this the second I saw
it and went it was him.
Speaker 5 (27:02):
He came up and walked to my house and he
taped these things to the back of my car. So
Paul and I had a little bit of a laugh
about it. We go back up into his office and
Paul goes, hey, let's call your friend. I'm like, okay,
So I call him.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
I call him and I start, you know, fake crying.
Speaker 5 (27:18):
I'm like, Ryan, dude, my boss, really, my.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Boss would like to talk to you. Really, my god.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
So this is this is the appropriate vengeance.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
This is uncomfortable. This is justice.
Speaker 5 (27:31):
So Paul has him on speakerphone and he goes, Hi, Ryan,
this is this is Katie's a program director here in
San Francisco, and I just wanted to discuss the images
that you put on the back of her car. We
actually have security from the building here as well. And
you could hear Ryan going oh no, no, no, and then
Paul start busting up laughing.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
But anyway, that that's pretty good.
Speaker 5 (27:50):
The reason this story came up is because we were
talking about the weirdest reasons we've ever been called into
our boss's office, and my brain went, oh, my god,
that happened.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
Oh that is That is a good to get back
at somebody. Though I wouldn't not have thought of that.
That's good God. Oh it was mortifying.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Anyway, if you are doing this job and you get
called into the boss's office and you're not fast forwarding
through everything you said in your head, you're not doing
the job right. Right.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
It was a short walk.
Speaker 5 (28:19):
To Paul's office, but I'm going, Okay, what did I
I did this news story a comment?
Speaker 2 (28:23):
I'm like, I had no idea at.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
All, wed go ahead, and jem I was just gonna
say we've like had serious stressful issues with people completely
freaked out and pissed off some of them performatively about
things we've said.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
And I'd say two of the three I never saw coming.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
No. I was just gonna say. Every time I've gotten
in trouble for saying something, it's like something I didn't
even remember. I say edgy things sometimes and they go,
oh boy, that might get me in trouble. That's not
the one. It's the thing I didn't even think of
for some reason that usually ends up with the TV
cameras outside the radio station.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
And then there is I need to come up with
a name for it. It's like my white whale. It's
the one thing I said once that I thought, that's it.
I've ended my career. I shouldn't have said that. Whoops,
And I was.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
I was.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
I was virtually certain it would be devastating and nothing
ever came of it. And you can ply me with booze.
You can put me on the rack. You can there
the other thing, well, the other thing might get me.
I don't know, try it.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
But I gotta go to church.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
I need to get to go to church and have
my ears and watched cat and I will never admit it.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
I will never repeat it. It will not be repeated.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Had one time we angered the Asians and every TV
station sent their Asian girl reporter to the radio station to.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
And that was the funny part of it. And we've
seen that sort of thing. If you say something insensitive
about like a remit of action for black people or
something like that, all of a sudden you find out
every station in town happens to have a black reporter too. Wow,
when they're reporting on this story, it's hilarious once you
become aware of it's it's like one hundred percent Italian
(30:13):
Americans are angered at the cancelation of the parade.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
We go to Luigi Praconi for a report.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Come on.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
The Armstrong and Getty Show, Jack Morgo podcasts and our
hot links The Armstrong and Getty Show.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
What's your Story? Michael.
Speaker 6 (30:39):
My wife has looked in the closet and says, I
need to throw away all my old.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Clothes basically because of fashion or size.
Speaker 6 (30:47):
I don't wear them and it's just taking up space.
But yeah, do I I guess the question I have is,
for example, we have some old towels she wants to
change out the towels.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
But I've told.
Speaker 6 (30:56):
Her, hey, just wash them, we can give them away
to goodwill or something like that. She wants me to
throw them away. And how often do you change out
towels for example? I mean, do you guys change them
out every rid of them?
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (31:08):
I mean do you change them out every six months?
Speaker 3 (31:11):
No? When we're ashamed of them, that's when you you
get rid of there's you're embarrassed for people to look
at them.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
I realize my lifestyle is not like most people's, but
I don't know that I ever have in my life
other than like they just get lost or something.
Speaker 6 (31:27):
But yeah, like you, Jack, I just keep the same
towels and keep rewashing them. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Yeah, I've never kept thirty years. I've never kept a
towel long enough to wear it out. I don't think can.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
How do you lose them like a bass? Tell what
happens to them?
Speaker 2 (31:41):
I don't know. I don't have the same towels I
don't have well, I don't have the same towels I
had when I was twenty five. But I never act.
That's what I'm asking, That's what I'm wondering too. I've
never actively gotten rid of them. You know what I
do a lot, and this is not good. Is I've
moved a lot in my life. I'm bad at unpacking.
(32:02):
I'm doing this right and out my house. I have
an unpacked since my last move. Like I bought some
new a new screwdriver last night at the store because
I don't know where my screwdriver is from the move,
so I probably do that. I got boxes of old towels.
I've never opened the boxes, so I had to get
new towels. That's probably what I do. But no, I
have never thought, does your wife do this because she
(32:23):
wants a different look, like a different color, or is
it because she thinks they're worn out?
Speaker 6 (32:28):
She thinks they're worn out, well, then get new towels.
But what's what I'm trying to save money? And so
what's a worn out towel? What is a worn out towel?
Speaker 3 (32:36):
It looks kind of threadbare and just blah, doesn't look
nice anymore?
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Unraveling, Okay, I don't.
Speaker 6 (32:42):
I just figure if it washes my body and I'm
happy with it, I wash them and that's it. You
wash yourself with your towel, well, you know you dry
yourself with the towel.
Speaker 4 (32:50):
But there you go.
Speaker 6 (32:51):
As far as saving money, though, I just, I just
I don't want her to keep buying new stuff.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
And it's just, well, this sounds like a thing between
you and your wife.
Speaker 4 (32:58):
But wow, yeah, I don't want any involved it.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
No, I have opinions, but it just doesn't seem like
a good idea away. And although I buy high quality
towels so they would last practically forever, I'm one of
the few things and I've always been willing to spurge on.
I love the feel of a good, high quality towel.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
Huh.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (33:14):
She wants me to throw them away, not give them away.
She says, you can't give those two goodwill And I said,
why not? They're perfectly fine, and she says, no, no,
we've been using them.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
And I say, well, just wash them.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
You know, I would say, bring them to said charity
or a charity of your choice, and if they want them,
they'll take them. If they don't, they will heave them.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Go ahead, Katie, I've got comments, but.
Speaker 5 (33:37):
No, I'm just I mean, how bad of shape are
they in? Michael read the newspaper through them. No, No,
they're in good shape. No, And I do not want
to weigh in this on this at all.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
I'm only asking a lady wants new towels, all right, Katie,
I'm only a lady, or tells I'm only asking for
information purposes, so she doesn't want to give them away
because she doesn't think it's cool to give somebody a
used towel. Correct, Okay, well, okay, by definition, I mean
goodwill stuff tends to go to people that are pretty
(34:10):
down and out usually, and I think they'd rather have
a used towel of a no towel.
Speaker 4 (34:13):
But you can always jam.
Speaker 5 (34:16):
I was sorry to like the SPCA or something for
the animals.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Dogs don't use towels. I've watched dogs over and over.
They just shake.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
I wish they would. Um boy does bashirt like if
we walk him in the rain?
Speaker 4 (34:28):
Boyd does.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
He liked to get toweled off, so it's a win win.
He's not resistant to it because it feels really it's.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
A race between getting the towel on the dog and
them shaking there standing in the doorway or something like
that and they shake. You got hair and splacker everywhere.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
Pro tip towels in the garage. You gotta be prepped.
You gotta be ready.
Speaker 4 (34:47):
Uh where were we?
Speaker 3 (34:49):
Oh yeah, let the free market function, missus, Mike Lingel.
If somebody wants to buy the towels, let them. That
is a coming together of a need and a fulfillment
of that need.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Of course, I'm a guy who I used shoes off
of eBay and stuff like that, So I mean, I
think a shoe is way grosser than a towel.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
Wash a towel.
Speaker 5 (35:06):
Yeah, whenever, Uh, my parents go through a towel or whatever,
my dad cuts it in half and uses them for
the gym.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
That's a good idea. Or use it just for like
cleaning my car, washing my car, d something like that. Yeah,
that is I've done that with towels before. That's true.
I have done that. They move from the drying my
body to the drawing my motorcycle.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
Yeah sure, yeah to the garage. Yeah there you go,
win win Michael out to the garage.
Speaker 6 (35:31):
Huh Hey thanks guys. So I'm not throwing them away.
That's that's the bottom line. I'm not gonna throw this.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
You're willing to die on that hill?
Speaker 4 (35:38):
Yes, yes, I am.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
In a couple more years out of them.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
Michael Tonight on THHC towel hoarders.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
TLC.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
What is now THHC is pot, that's yes, never mind,
Well to.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
TLC is fine. We don't want this to move to
a Judge Judy situation where you got Michael and his
wife yelling at each other and throw away the towels.
They're disgusting, she says, Armstrong and getty,
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The Burden is a documentary series that takes listeners into the hidden places where justice is done (and undone). It dives deep into the lives of heroes and villains. And it focuses a spotlight on those who triumph even when the odds are against them. Season 5 - The Burden: Death & Deceit in Alliance On April Fools Day 1999, 26-year-old Yvonne Layne was found murdered in her Alliance, Ohio home. David Thorne, her ex-boyfriend and father of one of her children, was instantly a suspect. Another young man admitted to the murder, and David breathed a sigh of relief, until the confessed murderer fingered David; “He paid me to do it.” David was sentenced to life without parole. Two decades later, Pulitzer winner and podcast host, Maggie Freleng (Bone Valley Season 3: Graves County, Wrongful Conviction, Suave) launched a “live” investigation into David's conviction alongside Jason Baldwin (himself wrongfully convicted as a member of the West Memphis Three). Maggie had come to believe that the entire investigation of David was botched by the tiny local police department, or worse, covered up the real killer. Was Maggie correct? Was David’s claim of innocence credible? In Death and Deceit in Alliance, Maggie recounts the case that launched her career, and ultimately, “broke” her.” The results will shock the listener and reduce Maggie to tears and self-doubt. This is not your typical wrongful conviction story. In fact, it turns the genre on its head. It asks the question: What if our champions are foolish? Season 4 - The Burden: Get the Money and Run “Trying to murder my father, this was the thing that put me on the path.” That’s Joe Loya and that path was bank robbery. Bank, bank, bank, bank, bank. In season 4 of The Burden: Get the Money and Run, we hear from Joe who was once the most prolific bank robber in Southern California, and beyond. He used disguises, body doubles, proxies. He leaped over counters, grabbed the money and ran. Even as the FBI was closing in. It was a showdown between a daring bank robber, and a patient FBI agent. Joe was no ordinary bank robber. He was bright, articulate, charismatic, and driven by a dark rage that he summoned up at will. In seven episodes, Joe tells all: the what, the how… and the why. Including why he tried to murder his father. Season 3 - The Burden: Avenger Miriam Lewin is one of Argentina’s leading journalists today. At 19 years old, she was kidnapped off the streets of Buenos Aires for her political activism and thrown into a concentration camp. Thousands of her fellow inmates were executed, tossed alive from a cargo plane into the ocean. Miriam, along with a handful of others, will survive the camp. Then as a journalist, she will wage a decades long campaign to bring her tormentors to justice. Avenger is about one woman’s triumphant battle against unbelievable odds to survive torture, claim justice for the crimes done against her and others like her, and change the future of her country. Season 2 - The Burden: Empire on Blood Empire on Blood is set in the Bronx, NY, in the early 90s, when two young drug dealers ruled an intersection known as “The Corner on Blood.” The boss, Calvin Buari, lived large. He and a protege swore they would build an empire on blood. Then the relationship frayed and the protege accused Calvin of a double homicide which he claimed he didn’t do. But did he? Award-winning journalist Steve Fishman spent seven years to answer that question. This is the story of one man’s last chance to overturn his life sentence. He may prevail, but someone’s gotta pay. The Burden: Empire on Blood is the director’s cut of the true crime classic which reached #1 on the charts when it was first released half a dozen years ago. Season 1 - The Burden In the 1990s, Detective Louis N. Scarcella was legendary. In a city overrun by violent crime, he cracked the toughest cases and put away the worst criminals. “The Hulk” was his nickname. Then the story changed. Scarcella ran into a group of convicted murderers who all say they are innocent. They turned themselves into jailhouse-lawyers and in prison founded a lway firm. When they realized Scarcella helped put many of them away, they set their sights on taking him down. And with the help of a NY Times reporter they have a chance. For years, Scarcella insisted he did nothing wrong. But that’s all he’d say. Until we tracked Scarcella to a sauna in a Russian bathhouse, where he started to talk..and talk and talk. “The guilty have gone free,” he whispered. And then agreed to take us into the belly of the beast. Welcome to The Burden.