February 4, 2026 • 36 mins
Hour 3 of A&G features...
- Nancy Guthrie missing & what we know so far
- Shaboozey didn't say enough...
- Bill Gates & the Epstein files
- Lindsey Vonn & the "Quad God"
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George
Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Arm Strong and Jettie and now hey, I'm Strong and Jetty.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
We are now three days into the search for Nancy Guthrie,
and FBI officials say that they're searching through phones and
looking at cell tower data, so all of that work continues,
but as a painstakingly slow process. Investigators were also asked
about cameras inside the home, and investigators say that they
are still waiting to try to get some of that
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video back from the companies that operate those cameras. So
the sheriff at times sounding frustrated by how slow that
process has been.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
So NBC, the network that brings you Dateline, the most
popular Who Done It? TV shows of all time, has
their own going on with one of their biggest stars,
Savannah Guthrie, who I remember back in the day when
she was just the young legal reporter for Brian Williams
on the NBC Evening News, and then somebody figured out
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that she's really charming, has a great smile and girl
next door sort of charm, and she ended up on
the Today Show and had become a major host, and
you were probably going to see her Friday night doing
the opening ceremonies of the Olympics, except for her mom
went missing over the weekend, and it is a serious
who'd done it?
Speaker 4 (01:35):
And what the hell is going on there.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
With a number of things that occurred over the weekend
and over the last twenty four hours, with somebody sending
a ransom note to media outlets starting with TMZ and
then some local media outlets that is being portrayed as
having chilling details about how she was abducted, Savannah Garthur's
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mom and all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
It could all be he was wearing. That sort of
thing could be.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Made up, though I suppose they don't know. That's kind
of your theory is that it's a crackpot, Is that right?
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Well, well, you made somebody disturbed. You made the good
point that if you actually wanted two million dollars in crypto,
which is I think the rumor on this, Uh, you
wouldn't Your first opening contact wouldn't be TMZ. No, that
would don't necessarily complicate everything, right, and uh, in a
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in all kinds of different ways. So we've been doing
these for a long long time now.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
When these things blow up into a giant media story,
they always get very weird, very fast, and it's easy
to forget when it happens, whether it's.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
Jean Benet or.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Scott Peterson and his wife or whatever the heck, the
story is that it's real people. It becomes like a
dateline show. It's like, oh, it's interesting, who do you
think killed her? As opposed to this is somebody's mom.
She got a phone called Mom's miss and I mean
just horrific. I can't imagine how awful that would be.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
And you've got both these so called responsible news media
looking for angles, whatever angles. Let's start to question the
local cops and call them incompetent. Let's focus on this
that the other, and then you get the vampires. Who
are you know, offering a clickbait news? Has Nancy Grace
shown up somewhere? She probably will? Uh? Oh, Gloria Alred
has Hasn't Gloria, No, she's something else.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
She's doing the EPC, she's busy all the EPSTE. You
got Ashley Banfield, who you might remember from back in
the day, trying to get some relevance going on some
show called drop Dead Serious here's what she had to
say about it yesterday.
Speaker 5 (03:45):
One law enforcement source, very connected, highly regarded, impeccable credentials,
knowledge of this investigation, says that Thomas so Cioni, Annie P.
Guthrie's husband maybe the prime suspect in this case and
vehicle has been towed, impounded and is now in evidence.
(04:06):
At the very least, let me tamp that down, because
sometimes it's the first person you're looking at, not prime,
as in, there's no one else. Okay, so let's be
really mindful of that. Okay, looked at first as well.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Yeah, Ashley Banfield's talking about Savannah Guthrie's brother in law
might be a suspect. This is the sort of thing
I mean, you know the playbook for how these things work.
When you're doing a daily cable show and you've got
to have something to talk about every single day, the family.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
Is being looked at.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Okay, Well, the first thing they're going to do is
go ask all the family members have you seen mom?
Speaker 4 (04:41):
And that's from Ashley Banfield's Contemptible podcast. Now, she's thoroughly independent, but.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
The point remains that you have to come up with
some reason every day to throw suspicion on somebody, and
then you immediately jump And I mentioned I heard on
News Nation this morning they're saying these sheriff refusing to
acknowledge the discovery of blood on the sidewalk. I didn't
refuse to acknowledge it, making it sound like he's stonewalling
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you or something. They just haven't addressed it yet for
all kinds of possibly good reasons, but you have to.
You have to try to make it seem like the
cops are in on it or did something wrong, they're incompetent.
And the family members who've been talked to by the cops,
which is just protocol.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
Obviously under suspicion.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
And then you start digging into the brother in law,
or you talk to a neighbor who says he once
saw the Savannah Guthriy and the brother in law having
an argument or whatever the hell happens. Oh, I mean,
we've all seen this happen over and over and over again.
And then there are plenty of people who just out like,
rot outright lie.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
And I was watching a news report this morning where
he had so that this area Tucson looks fantastic.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
I've been to Tucson a number of times.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
My parents used to live in the area, but these
are like it's very small town, but this is out
away from the little town, and everybody's got giant lots
because there's tons of space out there in Arizona, and
everybody's got these big lots. And so somebody who's walking
like out behind the bushes, like the neighbors there, and
as you can see over this fence, that's the house there.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
So that this happens to you.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
You're dealing with this horrible, probably tragedy in your life,
and you got news reporters peering over your back fence
making all kinds of weird speculation about things based on
what they see.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Yeah, this other Ashley Banfield thing.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
This is one angle a lot of people were talking
about yesterday.
Speaker 5 (06:29):
I can tell you that missus Guthrie had cameras plural
at this home and that they were smashed. But I
can tell you they are nest cameras. They are nest
cameras plural, and that whoever did this may have smashed
those cameras plural, so they're not there, presumably because law
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enforcement took those smashed cameras as evidence.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
Boy that's really entertainment for dumb people right there, because
for the repetition should stay for the incredibly obvious analysis.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
And oh that if the cameras were smashed, the person
might have been trying to hide their tracks or whatever.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
But know, but the cops took the smashed cameras as
evid block effing homes over here.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
And then, as other reporters have pointed out, the information
is probably stored in the cloud or someplace else. It's
got nothing to do with the specific camera. So right, yes,
Katie got an angle on this.
Speaker 6 (07:28):
No, that that was That was exactly it. It doesn't
matter if they have the cameras physically or not, because
it's all that info somewhere else.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
Yeah, they might have the cameras just to see if
it was obvious what sort of tool smash them, or
if there was painting it or whatever, because you collect everything.
But all right, women are good at true crime. Uh
what do you what do you suspect is happening here? Now?
This is this is just people talking. We're not trying
to come off as a news program here. The shape
of the thing, how does it strike you?
Speaker 6 (07:57):
I think that I really worry that it has some
thing to do with some nut job and Savannah Guthrie's job.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
I don't know why, but that's the feeling I'm getting
with it.
Speaker 6 (08:08):
And she had her mother was very prominent in her
reports and on her social media, so there was no
mistaking who she was.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Yeah, and which is you know, the reason a lot
of us who are in media, even at much lower levels,
don't get our family members involved because there are so
many freaking nut jobs out there. And Savannah Guthrie had
her mom on the Today Show all the time, and
it was like part of her you know, here's my
mom's Fourth of July recipe for whatever, which was cute
and nice and you should be able to do there
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for Yeah. Well, and I suspect said nutjob abducted a
very old lady who depends on serious medications to stay
alive every day and being a nut job and a
loser and whatever else hadn't reckoned on the reality of it.
And I suspect very strongly that it will not end
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in a cheery way. No, no, no, it's not gonna
be a good ending, almost certainly, I think. And then
what always has to happen on these things is they
go after the local cops. The media does turns on
the local cops about their incompetence of this and that,
and you have a whole bunch of here's an extra
detective from Philadelphia. Yeah, what, I've never seen such incompetence.
Speaker 7 (09:21):
You know.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
That sort of stuff all day long on your cable
news channels just drives me nuts.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
If you're some you.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Know, unless you're New York, LA, some big city police department,
you're not used to dealing with this sort of stuff
and all these questions being fired at you by all
these different media outlets and everything like that, and ah,
it just be be so miserable. Look, I live in
two so sleepy little ton of Tucson. Almost nothing ever
bad ever happens here. And now I'm dealing with a murder.
(09:49):
It's tragic. Quit screaming at me questions.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
Yeah, yeah, Now.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
I was watching Fox this morning and one of my
favorite Fox hostsaid he got way out over his skis
on day one and caused himself a lot of problem.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
Okay, well, what was he supposed to do?
Speaker 1 (10:05):
First time he's ever, probably in his life, been in
a room with a whole bunch of cameras in his.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
Face, right, right, the world is ugly. Have you ever
notice that, Well.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
It's just it's weird how quickly it turns from understanding
it on a human level to it just being a
TV show.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
And for me, yeah, for me even, all right, yeah,
i'd agree, that's that's very interesting. It well, and people
have plainted out that since everybody's reality has gone from
entirely personal, you know, one hundred and fifty years ago,
to practically entirely online, now, our understanding of each other
as human beings has gotten completely well weakened. It's gone away.
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People say and do vicious, savage things because they no
longer look at their fellow humans as humans. They're just
avatars on a screen, as it were.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Just around the news speed CBS, New York Post, New
York Times, Washington, there is a tremendous amount of news
coverage of this particular story. Why do you think that is?
Speaker 4 (11:13):
Sorry? It is taking a drink of water A headful
of things. Number one, a missing person that may or
may not be found alive is on a very primal level,
impossible for people to ignore. Because we want to save
other human beings. The fact that it's an entirely innocent
gal helpless, an old lady. Just I think on a
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very basic level, we want her to be okay, and
we want to know who the monster is who could
do this. That's an old, old impulse too. And the
fact that it's connected to a celebrity. Some people are
extra fascinated by that. I'm not. I just look at
it as part of the investigation.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
This story with the right hook could have blown up
even without the celebrity connection, because it's it's it's an
odd one, one hundred percent.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
So it is one of the news outlets the way
I understand it, that spotted red drops on the sidewalk,
and then it turned into a story all day long
yesterday of possibly blood in the law enforcement is not
acknowledge that it refuses to acknowledge.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
So it could be anything. Who knows, right, right, Sometimes
I you know, you spill this or that, I don't know.
It ain't gonna have a good ending. That's that's the
thing with this story, almost certainly. Yeah, that's rough. So
she was going to do the opening ceremony of the Olympics.
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Savannah was going to be a big part of the
network coverage. She usually is.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Wow, her life changed a lot in the last ten days.
All right, we got other news to get to stay tuned.
Speaker 8 (12:56):
And again, the last thing I want to say, immigrants
built this country literally absolutely so this is for them,
for all children of immigrants. This is also for those
who came to this country in search a better opportunity
to be a part of a nation that promised freedom
for all and equal opportunities, opportunity to everyone willing to
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work for it. Thank you for bringing your culture, your music,
your stories, and your traditions here. You give America color.
I love y'all so much. Thank you.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
What that's it? That's the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Shaboozi. You're stopping their Shaboozi. That's not enough Shaboozy. I
just like to say, there's someone called Shahboozi and this
is like saying, Shaboozi. Who I like that song? Wont
a Grammy? I liked this song?
Speaker 4 (13:41):
What was the one last year you won the Grammys
were about getting drunk? We're all a little bit tipsy.
That's song like that one too.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Anyway, Shaboozi finds himself in hot water after his big
Grammy win Sunday because viewers took issue with his acceptance
speech which you just heard, suggesting it ignored the role
of laved African Americans in America.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
Oh boy.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
He talked about the immigrant community, but as a black guy,
he didn't mention anything about this, the black people that
built this country.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
It's got to be tiring to be woke. You got
to carry your checklist around with you.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
And he caved into it rather than just ignoring it
or saying, if you it's.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
Funny, I shut up.
Speaker 5 (14:19):
Chris.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
I came across an interview with Shane Gillis, the comedian. Remember,
he had some All of his humor is very very
very very edgy in all kinds of different ways, sexually, ethnically,
all kinds.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
Of different ways. But so he was going to be
on Saturday Night Live.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
They dug up some old tweet, became a controversy, and
they canceled him Saturday Night. I've canceled him beyond the show,
and I saw him in a podcast heday. He was
talking about his agent said, this is all they want.
They want you to make a statement that you understand
how much you hurt people and the damage that you've done.
And you probably said, I'm not apologizing for anything. Not
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a freaking chance. He just was absolutely no though. Anyway,
even though that was going to be the biggest break
of his life, nobody'd ever heard of him before that,
and he's gone on to be usually successful and hosted
the show several times. I don't know why more people
don't say that, no way, I'm apologizing for this.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
What are you talking about? Anyway?
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Shaboozi did and amea couple posted yesterday, Shahboozi penned a
message giving more context to his words. To be clear,
I know and believe that we black people have also
built this country. My words were never intended to dismiss
that truth. I am both a black man and the
son of Nigerian immigrants, and in the overwhelming moment of
winning my first Grammy, my focus was honoring the sacrifices
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of my parents, which you get to do without taking
in the entire context of everything that's ever happened in.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
The world, and apologizing for their acknowledging it.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
I was focused on the sacrifice of my parents there
in the moment right after I won my Grammy by
coming to this country and giving me and my siblings
opportunities they never had. He went on to note the
significance of being the first black man and the foundation
laid by generation to black people who fought sagra blah
blah blah, you.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
Know, and all this sort of stuff.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Oh God, I can't see these people, all of y'all,
whether you're left, right or center, when they come for
you say, I'm not apologizing, and nobody will even remember
this tomorrow, So who cares.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
I can't believe so many people give into it. I know,
these people are so exhausting. God, there's the scolds, the
Puritans of the left. Hey, and it works. And why
do you think Shibbuzzi's parents came to the United States
to give them opportunity and he praised them flavishly for that.
What does that say to you about the United States?
(16:35):
Go ahead, Billie Eilish, go ahead your turn. Now. Wow,
you people are delusional.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
You think you're doing the right thing with the whole
Minnesota ice thing going on and everybody's wearing the ice outpins.
You get up there and you mentioned immigrants.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
What no black people, no slavery.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Get a boos either. So the Epstein drama can took
in a really interesting, fairly contentious battle on a podcast
yesterday between two conservatives over whether or not, you know,
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we should know this stuff. A lot of the stuff
that's in the Epstein file that has caused some real
pain for a lot of people, with one believing that, hey,
these are scumbags and we should know, and the other believing, yeah,
well they're scumbags. But we can't just go digging through
stuff and releasing information. And nobody's been charged with the crime, right,
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there's a reason that's been foreboten for like forever. I've
got a perfect example of how it's being misused.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
In a while Larry Summer's former.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Financial guy for Obama and Harvard president and all that
different sort of stuff, finding out he is a creepo
who is getting advice from Epstein on how to hit
on college girls. That makes him a really not great guy.
But no crime there. Do we get to know everything?
I mean, if we think we ought to know everything
about everything, well, then just install you know, taps on
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everybody's phones and cameras in everybody's house, I guess.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
And the issue is law enforcement has awesome powers in
our system, even with the limitations of it. And if
one of the you know, fruits of that power is
it generates great gossip because if they search Jack's house
because they think he's a drug dealer, turns out of
as the guy next door and is all wrong. But
that doesn't matter because you don't need to charge him
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with anything. But they found all sorts of stuff in
his house, and now it's in the newspaper. I mean, no,
good lord, we don't want that, right.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
One of the examples of this is what happened with
Bill Gates, I mean, Microsoft gazillionaire Bill Gates. Not charged
with any sort of crime. I well, I'm not even
gonna say that. But whether or not he was having
knowingly having sex with underage women, who knows. But he's
not been charged with any sort of crime or anything
like that.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
But he's going to these.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Parties, he's hanging out with chicks, and his wife didn't
dig it. Her ex wife explaining how that led to
the divorce in a podcast yesterday.
Speaker 9 (19:09):
I'm able to take my own sadness and look at
those young girls and say, my god, how did they
how did that happen to those girls?
Speaker 4 (19:19):
Right?
Speaker 9 (19:19):
And so for me, it's just sadness. Sadness for you know,
I've left, I had, I left my marriage I had
to leave my marriage. I wanted to leave my marriage.
I had to leave the fact I felt I needed
to eventually leave the foundation. So it's just sad and
it's kind of like, uh, at least for me, I've
been able to move on in life. And I hope
there's some justice for those now women. Right we see
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them standing up in front of microphones in DC. What
they went through is just unimaginable, I.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Think so clearly she feels like Melinda Gates feels like
her husband was knowingly involved in having sex with women
that were trafficked.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
Isn't that what that sounds like. I'm not willing to
make that leap. It's possible, at the very least he
was going to sexy, sexy parties with lots of young women. Well,
the contentious podcast, I was mentioning one of the points
that the Guy One Guy was making is.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
All these people that were dealing with Epstein after he
was convicted of being a guy, a perfo who gets
involved in underage sex years after, and it was a
I mean, and if you're in Epstein's circle and that
happens to him, and then you continue to go to
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his island to party or fly on his plane or
email with him.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
That makes you a certain kind of person.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
If one of my friends gets convicted of, you know,
trafficking underage girls, I doubt if I go to his
big swing in parties anymore.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
No, oh, good lord, No, no, I'm just I'm trying
to remember it exactly what the charges were that were
weirdly dumbed down or you know, softened. Is it even
conceivable that he was telling people? Look, I swear to god,
I thought she was eighteen. She told me she was eighteen.
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She showed me a driver's license. Terrible. I can't believe
somebody would be that dishonest, and blah blah blah. And
they believed him because they wanted to, or they just
they don't care about underage sex.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Well, and then then there's different levels of the ick.
There's the it's a crime and it should be a crime,
and that's disgusting. But even if it's an eighteen year
old and you're forty five or whatever, and you're going
to a party to have sex with eighteen year olds
with this guy you know and ain't cool, So that's
not a crime, but ain't good for you?
Speaker 4 (21:50):
Your wife, ain't gonna dig it. A lot of your
friends ain't gonna dig it. There are shockwaves going through
the British government right now because some really really influential
figures not only stayed in with the guy the post conviction,
but were like regularly in touch with him a lot
about financial stuff, especially evidently he was such a mover
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and shaker and networker that people are like, yeah, I
know he's a scumbag, but you know, I'm going to
stay in touch with him.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
But then you got people referencing the completely unverified because
they couldn't be verified, salacious claims that are in you know,
some of the documents in the Epstein files, like California
Democrat Representative Ted lew Why.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Are Republicans so interested in Bill Hillary Clinton is because
they're trying to distract from the fact that Donald Trump
is in the Epstein files thousands and thousands of times.
In those files, there's highly disturbing allegations of Donald Trump
raping children, of Donald Trump threatening to kill children.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
There are, but there there's no nothing to them, as
determined by multiple investigative branches of law enforcement and the
Justice Department and everything else. These crackpots, I mean, we
talked yesterday about the whole George H. W. Bush dismembering babies. Yes,
that was it. That's in one of the documents.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
So what because they documented every crack pot anonymous tip.
And then there's the weird part.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Because Trump was running for president, there was a whole
bunch of a flurry of crazy anonymous tips that came
in right before the twenty twenty election, almost certainly organized
in some way to discredit him, hoping that will get
into the you know, the bloodstream of journalism about Trump.
But I mean, for all the things you think about Trump,
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even if you hate Trump, do you believe he's raping
and killing children? I mean, come on, if you do,
you're so far down the road of Trump derangement syndrome
there's no saving you.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
That's a California congressman.
Speaker 5 (23:57):
I know.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
Can you believe that?
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Suggest Yes, the current president rapes and kills children in
front of others. Because all the powerful are into that
and so comfortable with it, they just keep it a secret.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
I mean that's nuts. Yeah. Well, here's the mass. If
you're a reasonable moderate Democrat, you think, oh that's not right,
but you stay a Democrat if you're kind of a
mid crazy Democrat. You think he's on our side. That's
probably not true, but he's on our side. If you're
a crazy ass Democrat, you think, yes, we've got to
nail him for the baby killing. Well and so no,
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there's no losing for Ted Lou. That's the world we're in. Well, yeah,
that's true.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
You just except every person that I personally know, and
it's only a handful, they're all MAGA or formally Mega.
They ain't Democrats, they're formally Mega, and they believe the
whole hw Bush and Trump raping and killing baby stuff.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
So it's a complicated stew of who is into this. Yeah,
who and what MEGA is at this point is pretty
difficult to pin down. So one more example. I think
this is a quintessential example of the misuse of in
the Epstein files. This is Elex Michaelson, which sounds like
a made up name, on CNN talking to Antonio Villa Garosa,
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who is a huge person in LA politics, especially California politics.
He's run for every office in the land and is running.
He hopes for governor soon fifty seven. Please, Michael, So
you made some news today.
Speaker 10 (25:31):
You called on Steve Hilton, the Republican candidate to drop
out of the race because his name was included in
the Epstein files. I've got the document of how it's included.
It's not him writing, it's somebody else writing, saying, dear Jeffrey,
just in case your friend Woody Allen is interested. This
is from David Cameron's office, Rohan Silva, head of Prime
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Minister's Policy Unit. Steve Hilton, Director of Strategy. If he's
in London anytime soon, love to welcome to number ten.
So Stelton was working for David Cameron and they were
interested in potentially having.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
Lunch with Woody Allen.
Speaker 10 (26:07):
Do you have any evidence that Steve Hilton ever was
with Jeffrey Epstein or even on the island.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
Well, this is what we know.
Speaker 7 (26:16):
When that email was written, Jeffrey Epstein was already a
convicted sex offender. Okay, he's asking through a circuit.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
We don't know if he's asking somebody.
Speaker 10 (26:30):
Somebody else is asking.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
It's not even his email.
Speaker 7 (26:33):
He's saying that Steve Hilton is keen on meeting Woody Allen,
who had already married his daughter, his stepdaughter who he
had raised. I find that disgusting and I think most
people do. Look, Democrats and Republicans don't agree on a
whole lot, but they do agree that what's been coming
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out about Jeffrey Epstein is disgusting.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
Wow, Okay, all right, wow, nuts and senile. So David Cameron,
who Steve Hilton worked for, was somewhat interested in meeting
Woody Allen, and a different person completely reached out to
Epstein and mentioned if Woody would have any interest in it,
(27:22):
Steve might be the guy to reach out to or
something like. Okay, for that reason, the ott to withdraw
from the pleas wow wow.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
And again it crosses all kinds of political lines where
I've heard people say, did you hear Steve Hilton's mentioned
in the Epstein Files, And like that sentence is enough
to mean something for some people.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
Everybody. Well, there are a variety of versions of this
have obviously, but a fair number of people think in
the Epstein Files, name shows up named as an offender.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Right, name shows up in the Epstein Files means video
of you with an underage girl having sex their equivalent.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
That's so crazy.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
You realize we're all doomed, or at least anybody in
public life. The whole idea of being in public life
is just gonna come to an end if we allow
this to continue to where just being named in anything
without being accused of anything or any facts could make
you persona non grata. I mean that's crazy.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
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Speaker 1 (29:33):
I had another example of that sort of thing, if
I can find it. I don't know if I can,
but it was like the really trying to extrapolate a nothing,
a nothing into being, you know, part of the whole
Epstein saga, whatever that is with somebody who'd send an email,
(29:56):
okay in one category, here you go, prizewinning novel Joyce
Carol Oates. You probably know who she is if you
read it all posts an Epstein email about groceries and
concludes that the term buying muffins and steaks must refer
to small children being abused.
Speaker 4 (30:14):
It's got to be code.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
When it was just an email to somebody about it
looks like grocery. Because I got all of his emails
over gazillions of years, including lots of mundane stuff. But
in the case of Joyce Carol Oates, you're reading into
it that saying go to the grocery store for muffins
and sakes clearly means trafficking children around the world.
Speaker 4 (30:34):
All right, I don't have the energy, yep uh.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
And then so when the Democrats take the house back,
this like gets re energized.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
Is that what's going to happen to what Ty Trump
to it? I don't know. I mean, it's more Democrats
than Republicans with the guys.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
The Republicans are forcing at the point of jail time,
Democrats the Clintons to testify.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
So the politics again are all over the place on this. Well,
everybody's trying to smear everybody else, right, absolutely, any thoughts
theirs are trying to smear themselves. That's weird.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Text line four one five two nine five k FTC
are strong and getty.
Speaker 11 (31:18):
I completely ruptured my ACL. I also have bone bruising
plus myscal damage, which we're not sure if that was
pre existing or from the crash. I know what my
chances were before the crash, and I know my chances
aren't the same as it stands today, but I know
there's still a chance, and as long as there's a chance,
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I will try.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
Wow, that's Lindsey Vaughn.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Total rupture of her ecl I mean, I'm I'm not
a doctor, and I all I know is what I
would hear my favorite player get that injury, and how
while they're out for the season and may never be
the same again. She did it like three days ago,
and she's gonna ski in the next.
Speaker 4 (31:58):
Couple of days. I don't I don't even see how
it's possible. Well, I don't know what the diagnosis is exactly.
I wonder if she will she have her leg like
so immobilely braced. I don't even know ca. I can't
imagine might have to remove the leg scan a pegg
leg that happened before, which has happened to go back
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to the nineteen thirty eight Winter Games, And you know.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
I could definitely see how because this is her last
go around. She retired five years ago. Then, like a
lot of these athletes, I don't know this, but I'm
guessing she's finding the adjustment to mundane regular life and
other things not that enjoyable, like you know, swimmer Phelps
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or lots of different people over the years decided to
come back and ski some more, and she knows this
is it. I could see how she would go out
there and ski in horrible pain, with zero chance of
doing well at all, just because the idea of giving
up on the whole thing forever is too much to take.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
And a good chance of really screwing up her knee,
which means months of pain for surgeries, rehabs, training, et cetera.
Just to get back to I can walk down the
street normally or play little tennis. By the way, it's
funny we should bring this up. I happen to be
during the break looking at a really interesting slow motion
analysis of how iliamalanin Who's going to be America's Golden
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Boy soon. He's the world's greatest figure skater.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
The kid god God is online moniker and he's a
high schooler. And he's a kid that's landed several quads
in competition. The only people that person that's ever done that.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
I have no idea as to his educational achievement. Jack
but very young, if I remember correctly, Yeah, he's young man.
Look at that. Wait a minute, looking it's a slow
down video.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
This is the time of the every four years where
we all become ice skating experts.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
Look at him. Right here, he's on the ice, on
the ice. Then right here, he's two and a half
feet above the ice. How do you do that wing?
That's impossible? Good lord, He's weightless.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
And then he spends four complete times and lands on
his skates. Well, see, that's that's what I'm trying to assess,
you actually, And then does he do that thing what
Will Ferrell did in the movie, or he swings his
foot cuts of guy's head off. You hate it when
that of have you've never seen the Blades of Glory?
Speaker 4 (34:33):
That's a funny movie. All right, there's one turn. He's
facing the camera again. He's facing the camera again. Good lord,
good lord, He's like a makita drill.
Speaker 5 (34:45):
How do you do that?
Speaker 1 (34:46):
I've never understood how you count the spins. I can't
tell two from three. I certainly can't talk three from.
Speaker 4 (34:50):
Four in real time as a commentator. And how do
you you know? I play games where like with a screwdriver,
I'll flip it half a turn. Yeah, I'll do a
whole turn, and I'll do it and I'll see how
far I can get, but you don't get very far
into that before you realize, Boy, controlling the energy between
like two turns and two and a half turns is
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incredibly percise. How do you do that when you're leaping
into the air whirling aboute without cameras and the ability
to check and slow it down? I think you could
land it and say that was a quint It wasn't. Yes,
it was. Are you gonna tell me it wasn't right? Right?
You know? I just realized five times I had the
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road I should have traveled back when I used to
ice skate a lot. I should have become a figure
skating clown, like between the real skaters, the great skaters.
I would come out and do a comedy route like
rodeo clowns, entertaining people between the thing. Yeah, oh, I'd
be huge, I'd be at all the big meats.
Speaker 7 (35:51):
Damn.
Speaker 4 (35:51):
When you skated, did you have sparkly outfit and everything
like that? Usually? Yeah, those are my street clothes. I've
always loved sparkles, armstrong and get h
Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George
Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Arm Strong and Jettie and now hey, I'm Strong and Jetty.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
We are now three days into the search for Nancy Guthrie,
and FBI officials say that they're searching through phones and
looking at cell tower data, so all of that work continues,
but as a painstakingly slow process. Investigators were also asked
about cameras inside the home, and investigators say that they
are still waiting to try to get some of that
(00:45):
video back from the companies that operate those cameras. So
the sheriff at times sounding frustrated by how slow that
process has been.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
So NBC, the network that brings you Dateline, the most
popular Who Done It? TV shows of all time, has
their own going on with one of their biggest stars,
Savannah Guthrie, who I remember back in the day when
she was just the young legal reporter for Brian Williams
on the NBC Evening News, and then somebody figured out
(01:17):
that she's really charming, has a great smile and girl
next door sort of charm, and she ended up on
the Today Show and had become a major host, and
you were probably going to see her Friday night doing
the opening ceremonies of the Olympics, except for her mom
went missing over the weekend, and it is a serious
who'd done it?
Speaker 4 (01:35):
And what the hell is going on there.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
With a number of things that occurred over the weekend
and over the last twenty four hours, with somebody sending
a ransom note to media outlets starting with TMZ and
then some local media outlets that is being portrayed as
having chilling details about how she was abducted, Savannah Garthur's
(02:02):
mom and all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
It could all be he was wearing. That sort of
thing could be.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Made up, though I suppose they don't know. That's kind
of your theory is that it's a crackpot, Is that right?
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Well, well, you made somebody disturbed. You made the good
point that if you actually wanted two million dollars in crypto,
which is I think the rumor on this, Uh, you
wouldn't Your first opening contact wouldn't be TMZ. No, that
would don't necessarily complicate everything, right, and uh, in a
(02:35):
in all kinds of different ways. So we've been doing
these for a long long time now.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
When these things blow up into a giant media story,
they always get very weird, very fast, and it's easy
to forget when it happens, whether it's.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
Jean Benet or.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Scott Peterson and his wife or whatever the heck, the
story is that it's real people. It becomes like a
dateline show. It's like, oh, it's interesting, who do you
think killed her? As opposed to this is somebody's mom.
She got a phone called Mom's miss and I mean
just horrific. I can't imagine how awful that would be.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
And you've got both these so called responsible news media
looking for angles, whatever angles. Let's start to question the
local cops and call them incompetent. Let's focus on this
that the other, and then you get the vampires. Who
are you know, offering a clickbait news? Has Nancy Grace
shown up somewhere? She probably will? Uh? Oh, Gloria Alred
has Hasn't Gloria, No, she's something else.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
She's doing the EPC, she's busy all the EPSTE. You
got Ashley Banfield, who you might remember from back in
the day, trying to get some relevance going on some
show called drop Dead Serious here's what she had to
say about it yesterday.
Speaker 5 (03:45):
One law enforcement source, very connected, highly regarded, impeccable credentials,
knowledge of this investigation, says that Thomas so Cioni, Annie P.
Guthrie's husband maybe the prime suspect in this case and
vehicle has been towed, impounded and is now in evidence.
(04:06):
At the very least, let me tamp that down, because
sometimes it's the first person you're looking at, not prime,
as in, there's no one else. Okay, so let's be
really mindful of that. Okay, looked at first as well.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Yeah, Ashley Banfield's talking about Savannah Guthrie's brother in law
might be a suspect. This is the sort of thing
I mean, you know the playbook for how these things work.
When you're doing a daily cable show and you've got
to have something to talk about every single day, the family.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
Is being looked at.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Okay, Well, the first thing they're going to do is
go ask all the family members have you seen mom?
Speaker 4 (04:41):
And that's from Ashley Banfield's Contemptible podcast. Now, she's thoroughly independent, but.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
The point remains that you have to come up with
some reason every day to throw suspicion on somebody, and
then you immediately jump And I mentioned I heard on
News Nation this morning they're saying these sheriff refusing to
acknowledge the discovery of blood on the sidewalk. I didn't
refuse to acknowledge it, making it sound like he's stonewalling
(05:10):
you or something. They just haven't addressed it yet for
all kinds of possibly good reasons, but you have to.
You have to try to make it seem like the
cops are in on it or did something wrong, they're incompetent.
And the family members who've been talked to by the cops,
which is just protocol.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
Obviously under suspicion.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
And then you start digging into the brother in law,
or you talk to a neighbor who says he once
saw the Savannah Guthriy and the brother in law having
an argument or whatever the hell happens. Oh, I mean,
we've all seen this happen over and over and over again.
And then there are plenty of people who just out like,
rot outright lie.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
And I was watching a news report this morning where
he had so that this area Tucson looks fantastic.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
I've been to Tucson a number of times.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
My parents used to live in the area, but these
are like it's very small town, but this is out
away from the little town, and everybody's got giant lots
because there's tons of space out there in Arizona, and
everybody's got these big lots. And so somebody who's walking
like out behind the bushes, like the neighbors there, and
as you can see over this fence, that's the house there.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
So that this happens to you.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
You're dealing with this horrible, probably tragedy in your life,
and you got news reporters peering over your back fence
making all kinds of weird speculation about things based on
what they see.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Yeah, this other Ashley Banfield thing.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
This is one angle a lot of people were talking
about yesterday.
Speaker 5 (06:29):
I can tell you that missus Guthrie had cameras plural
at this home and that they were smashed. But I
can tell you they are nest cameras. They are nest
cameras plural, and that whoever did this may have smashed
those cameras plural, so they're not there, presumably because law
(06:50):
enforcement took those smashed cameras as evidence.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
Boy that's really entertainment for dumb people right there, because
for the repetition should stay for the incredibly obvious analysis.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
And oh that if the cameras were smashed, the person
might have been trying to hide their tracks or whatever.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
But know, but the cops took the smashed cameras as
evid block effing homes over here.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
And then, as other reporters have pointed out, the information
is probably stored in the cloud or someplace else. It's
got nothing to do with the specific camera. So right, yes,
Katie got an angle on this.
Speaker 6 (07:28):
No, that that was That was exactly it. It doesn't
matter if they have the cameras physically or not, because
it's all that info somewhere else.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
Yeah, they might have the cameras just to see if
it was obvious what sort of tool smash them, or
if there was painting it or whatever, because you collect everything.
But all right, women are good at true crime. Uh
what do you what do you suspect is happening here? Now?
This is this is just people talking. We're not trying
to come off as a news program here. The shape
of the thing, how does it strike you?
Speaker 6 (07:57):
I think that I really worry that it has some
thing to do with some nut job and Savannah Guthrie's job.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
I don't know why, but that's the feeling I'm getting
with it.
Speaker 6 (08:08):
And she had her mother was very prominent in her
reports and on her social media, so there was no
mistaking who she was.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Yeah, and which is you know, the reason a lot
of us who are in media, even at much lower levels,
don't get our family members involved because there are so
many freaking nut jobs out there. And Savannah Guthrie had
her mom on the Today Show all the time, and
it was like part of her you know, here's my
mom's Fourth of July recipe for whatever, which was cute
and nice and you should be able to do there
(08:38):
for Yeah. Well, and I suspect said nutjob abducted a
very old lady who depends on serious medications to stay
alive every day and being a nut job and a
loser and whatever else hadn't reckoned on the reality of it.
And I suspect very strongly that it will not end
(08:59):
in a cheery way. No, no, no, it's not gonna
be a good ending, almost certainly, I think. And then
what always has to happen on these things is they
go after the local cops. The media does turns on
the local cops about their incompetence of this and that,
and you have a whole bunch of here's an extra
detective from Philadelphia. Yeah, what, I've never seen such incompetence.
Speaker 7 (09:21):
You know.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
That sort of stuff all day long on your cable
news channels just drives me nuts.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
If you're some you.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Know, unless you're New York, LA, some big city police department,
you're not used to dealing with this sort of stuff
and all these questions being fired at you by all
these different media outlets and everything like that, and ah,
it just be be so miserable. Look, I live in
two so sleepy little ton of Tucson. Almost nothing ever
bad ever happens here. And now I'm dealing with a murder.
(09:49):
It's tragic. Quit screaming at me questions.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
Yeah, yeah, Now.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
I was watching Fox this morning and one of my
favorite Fox hostsaid he got way out over his skis
on day one and caused himself a lot of problem.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
Okay, well, what was he supposed to do?
Speaker 1 (10:05):
First time he's ever, probably in his life, been in
a room with a whole bunch of cameras in his.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
Face, right, right, the world is ugly. Have you ever
notice that, Well.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
It's just it's weird how quickly it turns from understanding
it on a human level to it just being a
TV show.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
And for me, yeah, for me even, all right, yeah,
i'd agree, that's that's very interesting. It well, and people
have plainted out that since everybody's reality has gone from
entirely personal, you know, one hundred and fifty years ago,
to practically entirely online, now, our understanding of each other
as human beings has gotten completely well weakened. It's gone away.
(10:48):
People say and do vicious, savage things because they no
longer look at their fellow humans as humans. They're just
avatars on a screen, as it were.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Just around the news speed CBS, New York Post, New
York Times, Washington, there is a tremendous amount of news
coverage of this particular story. Why do you think that is?
Speaker 4 (11:13):
Sorry? It is taking a drink of water A headful
of things. Number one, a missing person that may or
may not be found alive is on a very primal level,
impossible for people to ignore. Because we want to save
other human beings. The fact that it's an entirely innocent
gal helpless, an old lady. Just I think on a
(11:37):
very basic level, we want her to be okay, and
we want to know who the monster is who could
do this. That's an old, old impulse too. And the
fact that it's connected to a celebrity. Some people are
extra fascinated by that. I'm not. I just look at
it as part of the investigation.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
This story with the right hook could have blown up
even without the celebrity connection, because it's it's it's an
odd one, one hundred percent.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
So it is one of the news outlets the way
I understand it, that spotted red drops on the sidewalk,
and then it turned into a story all day long
yesterday of possibly blood in the law enforcement is not
acknowledge that it refuses to acknowledge.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
So it could be anything. Who knows, right, right, Sometimes
I you know, you spill this or that, I don't know.
It ain't gonna have a good ending. That's that's the
thing with this story, almost certainly. Yeah, that's rough. So
she was going to do the opening ceremony of the Olympics.
(12:42):
Savannah was going to be a big part of the
network coverage. She usually is.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Wow, her life changed a lot in the last ten days.
All right, we got other news to get to stay tuned.
Speaker 8 (12:56):
And again, the last thing I want to say, immigrants
built this country literally absolutely so this is for them,
for all children of immigrants. This is also for those
who came to this country in search a better opportunity
to be a part of a nation that promised freedom
for all and equal opportunities, opportunity to everyone willing to
(13:16):
work for it. Thank you for bringing your culture, your music,
your stories, and your traditions here. You give America color.
I love y'all so much. Thank you.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
What that's it? That's the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Shaboozi. You're stopping their Shaboozi. That's not enough Shaboozy. I
just like to say, there's someone called Shahboozi and this
is like saying, Shaboozi. Who I like that song? Wont
a Grammy? I liked this song?
Speaker 4 (13:41):
What was the one last year you won the Grammys
were about getting drunk? We're all a little bit tipsy.
That's song like that one too.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Anyway, Shaboozi finds himself in hot water after his big
Grammy win Sunday because viewers took issue with his acceptance
speech which you just heard, suggesting it ignored the role
of laved African Americans in America.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
Oh boy.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
He talked about the immigrant community, but as a black guy,
he didn't mention anything about this, the black people that
built this country.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
It's got to be tiring to be woke. You got
to carry your checklist around with you.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
And he caved into it rather than just ignoring it
or saying, if you it's.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
Funny, I shut up.
Speaker 5 (14:19):
Chris.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
I came across an interview with Shane Gillis, the comedian. Remember,
he had some All of his humor is very very
very very edgy in all kinds of different ways, sexually, ethnically,
all kinds.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
Of different ways. But so he was going to be
on Saturday Night Live.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
They dug up some old tweet, became a controversy, and
they canceled him Saturday Night. I've canceled him beyond the show,
and I saw him in a podcast heday. He was
talking about his agent said, this is all they want.
They want you to make a statement that you understand
how much you hurt people and the damage that you've done.
And you probably said, I'm not apologizing for anything. Not
(14:56):
a freaking chance. He just was absolutely no though. Anyway,
even though that was going to be the biggest break
of his life, nobody'd ever heard of him before that,
and he's gone on to be usually successful and hosted
the show several times. I don't know why more people
don't say that, no way, I'm apologizing for this.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
What are you talking about? Anyway?
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Shaboozi did and amea couple posted yesterday, Shahboozi penned a
message giving more context to his words. To be clear,
I know and believe that we black people have also
built this country. My words were never intended to dismiss
that truth. I am both a black man and the
son of Nigerian immigrants, and in the overwhelming moment of
winning my first Grammy, my focus was honoring the sacrifices
(15:34):
of my parents, which you get to do without taking
in the entire context of everything that's ever happened in.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
The world, and apologizing for their acknowledging it.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
I was focused on the sacrifice of my parents there
in the moment right after I won my Grammy by
coming to this country and giving me and my siblings
opportunities they never had. He went on to note the
significance of being the first black man and the foundation
laid by generation to black people who fought sagra blah
blah blah, you.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
Know, and all this sort of stuff.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Oh God, I can't see these people, all of y'all,
whether you're left, right or center, when they come for
you say, I'm not apologizing, and nobody will even remember
this tomorrow, So who cares.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
I can't believe so many people give into it. I know,
these people are so exhausting. God, there's the scolds, the
Puritans of the left. Hey, and it works. And why
do you think Shibbuzzi's parents came to the United States
to give them opportunity and he praised them flavishly for that.
What does that say to you about the United States?
(16:35):
Go ahead, Billie Eilish, go ahead your turn. Now. Wow,
you people are delusional.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
You think you're doing the right thing with the whole
Minnesota ice thing going on and everybody's wearing the ice outpins.
You get up there and you mentioned immigrants.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
What no black people, no slavery.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Get a boos either. So the Epstein drama can took
in a really interesting, fairly contentious battle on a podcast
yesterday between two conservatives over whether or not, you know,
(17:12):
we should know this stuff. A lot of the stuff
that's in the Epstein file that has caused some real
pain for a lot of people, with one believing that, hey,
these are scumbags and we should know, and the other believing, yeah,
well they're scumbags. But we can't just go digging through
stuff and releasing information. And nobody's been charged with the crime, right,
(17:34):
there's a reason that's been foreboten for like forever. I've
got a perfect example of how it's being misused.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
In a while Larry Summer's former.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Financial guy for Obama and Harvard president and all that
different sort of stuff, finding out he is a creepo
who is getting advice from Epstein on how to hit
on college girls. That makes him a really not great guy.
But no crime there. Do we get to know everything?
I mean, if we think we ought to know everything
about everything, well, then just install you know, taps on
(18:06):
everybody's phones and cameras in everybody's house, I guess.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
And the issue is law enforcement has awesome powers in
our system, even with the limitations of it. And if
one of the you know, fruits of that power is
it generates great gossip because if they search Jack's house
because they think he's a drug dealer, turns out of
as the guy next door and is all wrong. But
that doesn't matter because you don't need to charge him
(18:29):
with anything. But they found all sorts of stuff in
his house, and now it's in the newspaper. I mean, no,
good lord, we don't want that, right.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
One of the examples of this is what happened with
Bill Gates, I mean, Microsoft gazillionaire Bill Gates. Not charged
with any sort of crime. I well, I'm not even
gonna say that. But whether or not he was having
knowingly having sex with underage women, who knows. But he's
not been charged with any sort of crime or anything
like that.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
But he's going to these.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Parties, he's hanging out with chicks, and his wife didn't
dig it. Her ex wife explaining how that led to
the divorce in a podcast yesterday.
Speaker 9 (19:09):
I'm able to take my own sadness and look at
those young girls and say, my god, how did they
how did that happen to those girls?
Speaker 4 (19:19):
Right?
Speaker 9 (19:19):
And so for me, it's just sadness. Sadness for you know,
I've left, I had, I left my marriage I had
to leave my marriage. I wanted to leave my marriage.
I had to leave the fact I felt I needed
to eventually leave the foundation. So it's just sad and
it's kind of like, uh, at least for me, I've
been able to move on in life. And I hope
there's some justice for those now women. Right we see
(19:41):
them standing up in front of microphones in DC. What
they went through is just unimaginable, I.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Think so clearly she feels like Melinda Gates feels like
her husband was knowingly involved in having sex with women
that were trafficked.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
Isn't that what that sounds like. I'm not willing to
make that leap. It's possible, at the very least he
was going to sexy, sexy parties with lots of young women. Well,
the contentious podcast, I was mentioning one of the points
that the Guy One Guy was making is.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
All these people that were dealing with Epstein after he
was convicted of being a guy, a perfo who gets
involved in underage sex years after, and it was a
I mean, and if you're in Epstein's circle and that
happens to him, and then you continue to go to
(20:39):
his island to party or fly on his plane or
email with him.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
That makes you a certain kind of person.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
If one of my friends gets convicted of, you know,
trafficking underage girls, I doubt if I go to his
big swing in parties anymore.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
No, oh, good lord, No, no, I'm just I'm trying
to remember it exactly what the charges were that were
weirdly dumbed down or you know, softened. Is it even
conceivable that he was telling people? Look, I swear to god,
I thought she was eighteen. She told me she was eighteen.
(21:18):
She showed me a driver's license. Terrible. I can't believe
somebody would be that dishonest, and blah blah blah. And
they believed him because they wanted to, or they just
they don't care about underage sex.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Well, and then then there's different levels of the ick.
There's the it's a crime and it should be a crime,
and that's disgusting. But even if it's an eighteen year
old and you're forty five or whatever, and you're going
to a party to have sex with eighteen year olds
with this guy you know and ain't cool, So that's
not a crime, but ain't good for you?
Speaker 4 (21:50):
Your wife, ain't gonna dig it. A lot of your
friends ain't gonna dig it. There are shockwaves going through
the British government right now because some really really influential
figures not only stayed in with the guy the post conviction,
but were like regularly in touch with him a lot
about financial stuff, especially evidently he was such a mover
(22:10):
and shaker and networker that people are like, yeah, I
know he's a scumbag, but you know, I'm going to
stay in touch with him.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
But then you got people referencing the completely unverified because
they couldn't be verified, salacious claims that are in you know,
some of the documents in the Epstein files, like California
Democrat Representative Ted lew Why.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Are Republicans so interested in Bill Hillary Clinton is because
they're trying to distract from the fact that Donald Trump
is in the Epstein files thousands and thousands of times.
In those files, there's highly disturbing allegations of Donald Trump
raping children, of Donald Trump threatening to kill children.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
There are, but there there's no nothing to them, as
determined by multiple investigative branches of law enforcement and the
Justice Department and everything else. These crackpots, I mean, we
talked yesterday about the whole George H. W. Bush dismembering babies. Yes,
that was it. That's in one of the documents.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
So what because they documented every crack pot anonymous tip.
And then there's the weird part.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Because Trump was running for president, there was a whole
bunch of a flurry of crazy anonymous tips that came
in right before the twenty twenty election, almost certainly organized
in some way to discredit him, hoping that will get
into the you know, the bloodstream of journalism about Trump.
But I mean, for all the things you think about Trump,
(23:45):
even if you hate Trump, do you believe he's raping
and killing children? I mean, come on, if you do,
you're so far down the road of Trump derangement syndrome
there's no saving you.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
That's a California congressman.
Speaker 5 (23:57):
I know.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
Can you believe that?
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Suggest Yes, the current president rapes and kills children in
front of others. Because all the powerful are into that
and so comfortable with it, they just keep it a secret.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
I mean that's nuts. Yeah. Well, here's the mass. If
you're a reasonable moderate Democrat, you think, oh that's not right,
but you stay a Democrat if you're kind of a
mid crazy Democrat. You think he's on our side. That's
probably not true, but he's on our side. If you're
a crazy ass Democrat, you think, yes, we've got to
nail him for the baby killing. Well and so no,
(24:30):
there's no losing for Ted Lou. That's the world we're in. Well, yeah,
that's true.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
You just except every person that I personally know, and
it's only a handful, they're all MAGA or formally Mega.
They ain't Democrats, they're formally Mega, and they believe the
whole hw Bush and Trump raping and killing baby stuff.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
So it's a complicated stew of who is into this. Yeah,
who and what MEGA is at this point is pretty
difficult to pin down. So one more example. I think
this is a quintessential example of the misuse of in
the Epstein files. This is Elex Michaelson, which sounds like
a made up name, on CNN talking to Antonio Villa Garosa,
(25:15):
who is a huge person in LA politics, especially California politics.
He's run for every office in the land and is running.
He hopes for governor soon fifty seven. Please, Michael, So
you made some news today.
Speaker 10 (25:31):
You called on Steve Hilton, the Republican candidate to drop
out of the race because his name was included in
the Epstein files. I've got the document of how it's included.
It's not him writing, it's somebody else writing, saying, dear Jeffrey,
just in case your friend Woody Allen is interested. This
is from David Cameron's office, Rohan Silva, head of Prime
(25:53):
Minister's Policy Unit. Steve Hilton, Director of Strategy. If he's
in London anytime soon, love to welcome to number ten.
So Stelton was working for David Cameron and they were
interested in potentially having.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
Lunch with Woody Allen.
Speaker 10 (26:07):
Do you have any evidence that Steve Hilton ever was
with Jeffrey Epstein or even on the island.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
Well, this is what we know.
Speaker 7 (26:16):
When that email was written, Jeffrey Epstein was already a
convicted sex offender. Okay, he's asking through a circuit.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
We don't know if he's asking somebody.
Speaker 10 (26:30):
Somebody else is asking.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
It's not even his email.
Speaker 7 (26:33):
He's saying that Steve Hilton is keen on meeting Woody Allen,
who had already married his daughter, his stepdaughter who he
had raised. I find that disgusting and I think most
people do. Look, Democrats and Republicans don't agree on a
whole lot, but they do agree that what's been coming
(26:56):
out about Jeffrey Epstein is disgusting.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
Wow, Okay, all right, wow, nuts and senile. So David Cameron,
who Steve Hilton worked for, was somewhat interested in meeting
Woody Allen, and a different person completely reached out to
Epstein and mentioned if Woody would have any interest in it,
(27:22):
Steve might be the guy to reach out to or
something like. Okay, for that reason, the ott to withdraw
from the pleas wow wow.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
And again it crosses all kinds of political lines where
I've heard people say, did you hear Steve Hilton's mentioned
in the Epstein Files, And like that sentence is enough
to mean something for some people.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
Everybody. Well, there are a variety of versions of this
have obviously, but a fair number of people think in
the Epstein Files, name shows up named as an offender.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Right, name shows up in the Epstein Files means video
of you with an underage girl having sex their equivalent.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
That's so crazy.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
You realize we're all doomed, or at least anybody in
public life. The whole idea of being in public life
is just gonna come to an end if we allow
this to continue to where just being named in anything
without being accused of anything or any facts could make
you persona non grata. I mean that's crazy.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
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Speaker 1 (29:33):
I had another example of that sort of thing, if
I can find it. I don't know if I can,
but it was like the really trying to extrapolate a nothing,
a nothing into being, you know, part of the whole
Epstein saga, whatever that is with somebody who'd send an email,
(29:56):
okay in one category, here you go, prizewinning novel Joyce
Carol Oates. You probably know who she is if you
read it all posts an Epstein email about groceries and
concludes that the term buying muffins and steaks must refer
to small children being abused.
Speaker 4 (30:14):
It's got to be code.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
When it was just an email to somebody about it
looks like grocery. Because I got all of his emails
over gazillions of years, including lots of mundane stuff. But
in the case of Joyce Carol Oates, you're reading into
it that saying go to the grocery store for muffins
and sakes clearly means trafficking children around the world.
Speaker 4 (30:34):
All right, I don't have the energy, yep uh.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
And then so when the Democrats take the house back,
this like gets re energized.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
Is that what's going to happen to what Ty Trump
to it? I don't know. I mean, it's more Democrats
than Republicans with the guys.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
The Republicans are forcing at the point of jail time,
Democrats the Clintons to testify.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
So the politics again are all over the place on this. Well,
everybody's trying to smear everybody else, right, absolutely, any thoughts
theirs are trying to smear themselves. That's weird.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
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Speaker 11 (31:18):
I completely ruptured my ACL. I also have bone bruising
plus myscal damage, which we're not sure if that was
pre existing or from the crash. I know what my
chances were before the crash, and I know my chances
aren't the same as it stands today, but I know
there's still a chance, and as long as there's a chance,
(31:38):
I will try.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
Wow, that's Lindsey Vaughn.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Total rupture of her ecl I mean, I'm I'm not
a doctor, and I all I know is what I
would hear my favorite player get that injury, and how
while they're out for the season and may never be
the same again. She did it like three days ago,
and she's gonna ski in the next.
Speaker 4 (31:58):
Couple of days. I don't I don't even see how
it's possible. Well, I don't know what the diagnosis is exactly.
I wonder if she will she have her leg like
so immobilely braced. I don't even know ca. I can't
imagine might have to remove the leg scan a pegg
leg that happened before, which has happened to go back
(32:20):
to the nineteen thirty eight Winter Games, And you know.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
I could definitely see how because this is her last
go around. She retired five years ago. Then, like a
lot of these athletes, I don't know this, but I'm
guessing she's finding the adjustment to mundane regular life and
other things not that enjoyable, like you know, swimmer Phelps
(32:48):
or lots of different people over the years decided to
come back and ski some more, and she knows this
is it. I could see how she would go out
there and ski in horrible pain, with zero chance of
doing well at all, just because the idea of giving
up on the whole thing forever is too much to take.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
And a good chance of really screwing up her knee,
which means months of pain for surgeries, rehabs, training, et cetera.
Just to get back to I can walk down the
street normally or play little tennis. By the way, it's
funny we should bring this up. I happen to be
during the break looking at a really interesting slow motion
analysis of how iliamalanin Who's going to be America's Golden
(33:29):
Boy soon. He's the world's greatest figure skater.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
The kid god God is online moniker and he's a
high schooler. And he's a kid that's landed several quads
in competition. The only people that person that's ever done that.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
I have no idea as to his educational achievement. Jack
but very young, if I remember correctly, Yeah, he's young man.
Look at that. Wait a minute, looking it's a slow
down video.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
This is the time of the every four years where
we all become ice skating experts.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
Look at him. Right here, he's on the ice, on
the ice. Then right here, he's two and a half
feet above the ice. How do you do that wing?
That's impossible? Good lord, He's weightless.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
And then he spends four complete times and lands on
his skates. Well, see, that's that's what I'm trying to assess,
you actually, And then does he do that thing what
Will Ferrell did in the movie, or he swings his
foot cuts of guy's head off. You hate it when
that of have you've never seen the Blades of Glory?
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How do you do that?
Speaker 1 (34:46):
I've never understood how you count the spins. I can't
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Speaker 4 (34:50):
Four in real time as a commentator. And how do
you you know? I play games where like with a screwdriver,
I'll flip it half a turn. Yeah, I'll do a
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far I can get, but you don't get very far
into that before you realize, Boy, controlling the energy between
like two turns and two and a half turns is
(35:12):
incredibly percise. How do you do that when you're leaping
into the air whirling aboute without cameras and the ability
to check and slow it down? I think you could
land it and say that was a quint It wasn't. Yes,
it was. Are you gonna tell me it wasn't right? Right?
You know? I just realized five times I had the
(35:33):
road I should have traveled back when I used to
ice skate a lot. I should have become a figure
skating clown, like between the real skaters, the great skaters.
I would come out and do a comedy route like
rodeo clowns, entertaining people between the thing. Yeah, oh, I'd
be huge, I'd be at all the big meats.
Speaker 7 (35:51):
Damn.
Speaker 4 (35:51):
When you skated, did you have sparkly outfit and everything
like that? Usually? Yeah, those are my street clothes. I've
always loved sparkles, armstrong and get h
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