May 2, 2024 • 33 mins
KFI's Blake Troli talks about the Arrest at UCLA Protest last night. More on Anti-Israel Protests across the Country.
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like orgasms, but but sort of.
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the world out coming up blent. Charlie's going to help too,
since he has been up close to all the excitement
at UCLA for the past few days.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
And they quite a night last night.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
Blake you there, hey, John, how you doing?
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Sah?
Speaker 2 (01:12):
How many people get they did? How many people did
they arrest.
Speaker 5 (01:16):
Yeah, so right now the count that we're given is
like two hundred and three, but that number could raise
or could rise here in the next few days. You know,
I was told none of these cases now again, this
was told to me this morning by a source in
the DA's office. But I was told none of these
cases have been turned over yet. Most of these cases
are going to be simple trespassing cases for the students
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who refuse to leave the camp. But there are some
assault cases pending now, is what I'm told. But prosecutors
are going to be working to get their hands on
a lot of video and able to get those cases
to or those charges to stick.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
I think everybody's wondering will be there'd be actual prosecutions
of anyone for the I mean, god, God, what a
mess they created.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Yeah, and look who they're heading to though.
Speaker 5 (02:02):
They are heading to George Gascone's office for for prosecution.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
And you know what.
Speaker 5 (02:06):
I had sent them an email at ATO three this morning,
I said, good morning, how does the DA plan to
prosecute cases on the UCLA students? And I have yet
to hear anything back now that could be that they're
still coming up with a plan or the answer. But yeah, John,
it was a pretty intense night showing up here to campus.
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I showed up as the action was underway and it
sounded like a war zone. This morning, we'll get into
some of this. Flash bangs were going off throughout the
entire night and through the early morning hours. Let's just
get a timeline going before we get into some of this.
Police had initially called for students to disperse from the
camp at about six pm. They gave these students about
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nine hours. At about three am, police start dismantling the
barrier around the Pro Palestinian camp. Keep in mind, this
is a barrier that was reinforced yesterday, so all those
students hard work was torn down pretty quickly by mainly
CHP officers in riot gear. They got in there, they
started tearing apart this this barrier, and they were met
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with some resistance. I was watching some TV coverage from
the from the line from the exact moment that they
they broke down that barrier, and bottles were being thrown.
Fire extinguishers were going off at police. Police were firing
flashbanks into the air in order to you know, distract
and and intimidate, you know, the student or the protesters
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to try to get them to back down. It does
appear that some less lethal munitions were used, just by
video I saw. I did ask the CHP about that
this morning. He was unable to confirm it, but just
by video it did appear that rubber bullets were possibly
being used. When we had asked CHP, what what exactly
was your strategy here? And keep in mind they were
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able to clear all this out in about three hours,
they said. The spokesperson said, look, I can't give you
the exact but what I can tell you is that
generally the goal is you break the big group up
into little contingents and then you deal with those, and
that's what we saw play out. I followed one of
those little contingents as they got pushed from towards the
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encampment out to the streets. We'll start here. The protesters
were down to a group of about one hundred with
the contingent that I saw. So in the very beginning,
there was about one hundred of them and they were
facing off with officers in riot gear and chanting take
a listen to this, and that went on. There were
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different chants. One was there's no riot here, so why
are you and riot gear? Other sorts of chance that
went on. And what officers really did, John is they
they would stand in a formated line, and sometimes that
line would look more like a horseshoe, as they kind
of contained a perimeter line around these student or around
these protesters, and then every five minutes or so, you'd
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hear them say push, and they would push these students back. Now,
what was really interesting is while there were these impassioned
protesters up on the line chanting, there appeared to be
some other ones who I'm guessing were just tired, because
at this point it's three point thirty four in the morning.
They were on their phones, texting, some were sitting down,
So I was able to actually talk with a few
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of them and get their thoughts.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
This is you'll hear the commotion in the background.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
This is as CHP officers are pushing them off campus.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
You know.
Speaker 5 (05:40):
One of the things that I think with this group,
and yesterday it interviewed somebody in the encampment and they
had said, listen, we're not leaving until the school meets
our demands divest from Israeli businesses. Do you all plan
to go down with the ship today? If police start
making arrests on this contingent of people, I think.
Speaker 6 (05:58):
It's really interesting how I guess, you know, have started
calling police on people. They're saying like like these people,
I don't know, They're saying all of these different things
about peaceful protesters. Whereas the semester ends like two weeks.
Speaker 5 (06:09):
So do you think that the encampment would just naturally
come to an end in two weeks when this semester
is over?
Speaker 4 (06:14):
Was that the plan?
Speaker 7 (06:15):
It was it would not come to an end in
Leicester just actual a social statement from UCLA that they
would divest from iSER.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
So you would have kept the encampment here through the summer.
Speaker 6 (06:24):
We would have.
Speaker 7 (06:25):
We would have We literally were just in there police
margin they start beating people up.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
Yeah, what did you see from the encampment?
Speaker 5 (06:32):
Because I know the about three am right, they started
moving in on the encampment.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
What'd you see people?
Speaker 6 (06:36):
People were like extremely peaceful. We arrived and people were
like eating food and just talking and like having like
a studying of course because it's exam season. And then
like they started coming in and it was like they
started like pushing people like I know, like me and
like a couple of people We got like trapped against
walls or like pushed and like hit and everything. So
it's like they were very violent against us.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
What did you see from sources students?
Speaker 6 (07:01):
It was just very violent. They didn't want like we
had seen multiple students. They'd offered to like have talks
and everything, because like if the universities don't want to
talk to us, maybe.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
Local authority as well.
Speaker 6 (07:12):
But no one was responding at all.
Speaker 5 (07:15):
So right here we stopped because we're actually getting pushed John,
and then the interview continues. Here we go, are you
afraid of at all though that you know, any sort
of munitions could be used against you as you guys
remain defiant here.
Speaker 6 (07:27):
I think it's really interesting how, like me personally, my
greatest fear went from school shootings to the police. It's
like the biggest threat to us is the police, the
police violence. It's like they've become the school shooters that
we were so afraid about in like elementary, middle.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
And high school.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
I figured he liked that, Wow, you know, I had
to pick them out unless they're all like that.
Speaker 5 (07:55):
Well, a lot of them won't even talk to talk
to the media. You know, you have to really work
at them to get them to to even talk.
Speaker 7 (08:01):
You know.
Speaker 5 (08:01):
I like the account she gave that they were sitting around.
Some of them were just studying, because in the morning.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
That's that's when I like to study.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Three in the morning, outdoors, in the middle of a riot,
while the police are charging.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
That is just the study time that groups.
Speaker 5 (08:17):
Every time officers would push towards them, they would run backwards,
and ultimately they ended up on the campus line here,
if you will, out to the just basically off campus,
out into the general public. And at one point an
astro van came to pick up a bunch of these
protesters and they loaded it. It looked like a clown car.
I mean there were It was like a little astro van,
and I swear twelve of them got in. I was
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like that above a four cylinder enginell I didn't even
run with that many people. Do you have any more stuff?
Because I guess you know what. I talked to a
guy and I vetted out his page. He infiltrated the
camp and he told me a little bit about what
he saw inside. This guy's followed by Megan Kelly, some
big names at Fox News. Some of these tweets he's
got from inside have gone viral. He gave me a
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little bit of a an inside look of what he
saw when he snuck in by counterintelligence. Huh, Well, he's
so young. I thought he was a student. I was
just out trying to interview students.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
He looks like one. I assume that's how he got in.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
He found a spy. You found found an infiltrainer. We
found an infiltrator. All right, Blake Trolley with his infiltrator
coming up from KFI News. As we continue enjoying the
coverage of the u c l A riots this week.
Speaker 8 (09:25):
You're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI Am
six forty.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
We are talking with Blake Trolley at KFI. He was
up in the middle of the night to witness and
cover the u c A riots, another another evening of
entertainment on the u c LA campus, and he's he
followed around, As he explained, the police broke up the
very large contingent and protesters into smaller contingents, and Blake
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latched onto one and started interviewing some of the participants.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
So, now, who what do you have next here?
Speaker 4 (10:01):
You know what?
Speaker 5 (10:01):
Actually, before we get into the guy that infiltrated the camp,
and he did that on Sunday. I do want to
go to the last We'll go to this woman. She
says that she is a professor from a college out
on the East Coast. She was here with her husband.
I saw them behind the protest line. I thought they
were just protesters. She said, Oh, are you a protester?
She said, no, I'm a professor. I said, oh, here
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at UCLA. She said, no, school on the East Coast.
And here's what she had to say. She was here
to support these students.
Speaker 9 (10:30):
I mean, I've done this when I was in my twenties.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
I'm a little more aged than that.
Speaker 9 (10:35):
But yeah, no, I think it's a good cause. You know,
I want students to know what's going on in the world.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
Jess, watch it and can we have your name? Is
that possible? No, I would rather not, No problem not.
Speaker 5 (10:48):
I appreciate it. So you think they're couraged. Do you
have a similar protest that raged at your school?
Speaker 9 (10:53):
No? No, we're out in the East Coast. It's a
little bit different out there.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
Okay, Now, so you think these students are courageous. Do
you have any concerns though? For other students? I know
that we have heard concerns. On the other side, they
say that there has been you know, some students are
claiming they've been blocked, you know, going to classes.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
Things like that.
Speaker 9 (11:14):
Anytime we're seeing law and order being enforced on campus
when students are protesting peacefully, yeah, that concerns me. This
could go very wrong. You could have students injured. We
have this history in the US, we have Kent University,
and I think that's what I'm afraid of more than
the political causes. I'm concerned about their safety. Look what
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you're doing on campus.
Speaker 5 (11:36):
And one of the things I saw a lot of
with these students. You saw it on video footage last night.
I witnessed it today is they kept saying we're students,
We're students. They were criticizing police almost like, how dare
you well, you know we're protected here.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
You can't pull that card after all the rockets you've
created over the last few days.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
All right, while we still have time. Tell me about
the infiltrator.
Speaker 5 (11:59):
Yeah, So I was walking around, I'm looking for I'm
looking for kids to interview. I spoke with a few
and then I see this guy kind of looks like
a college student and I pull him aside and I
had asked him, like, are you student? He said no,
I'm an undercover journalist. I said, oh, interesting. So I
was asking what he was doing and he said, well,
I actually got into the camp on Sunday.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
His name is cam Higbee. I checked out his Twitter page.
Speaker 5 (12:23):
He has photos and some video clips from inside, although
he was largely restricted from what he could get footage
on because he explained to me there was a lot
of rules about filming in there. They could film the graffiti,
but they were not supposed to film each other. So
it was from his account, really, you know, it just
seemed very hard to get footage. But here's just a
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little bit john of what he says he saw in there.
And keep in mind, this is a guy that's followed
by Megan Kelly, some people at Fox News, and you know,
some bigger, you know, named journalists are following this guy.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
I put on a coffea found a wristband, put it on,
walked right in. There is I mean a symbolism everywhere
on the inside. There are spray paint calling for intofada.
There is spray paint with a sort of anarchy, a
with riot written above it there is.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
I mean, there's all kind of stuff.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
They're pooping in buckets, there's a gender neutral emergency bathroom tent.
I don't know what they're doing with the waste, but
that's in there, or it wasn't there, so I get
nothing's in there now.
Speaker 5 (13:23):
So the living conditions. You say they were pooping in buckets,
which is shocking. What other shocking elements of their living
condition did you because I actually assumed they were using
the building's bathrooms.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
I mean that was just my assumption.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Some of them are, but there are bathroom tents inside
they have They had probably tens of thousands of dollars
worth of supplies de order and toothpaste, toothbrushes, sanitary stuff,
feminine products, food, water, anything you can think of that
would be required to maintain somebody's life, isn't it, medicine,
COVID tests. It's all inside there or was inside of
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huge tents. So yeah, I mean, I don't know where
they got the funding for all. That's why the first
question I asked was who's funding this? But it was
just shocking how much stuff they have. But they're all
living in tents and sleeping bag some of them slept
on the patio to Royce here.
Speaker 5 (14:14):
So there's just a little bit of of the inside now,
you know. John, we've talked about the fact that you
see so many protesters wearing face masks. According to him,
that was that was a rule. So they were afraid of,
you know, passing pathogens to each other, hooping intents?
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Were they really I thought it was so that they
can't be identified and expelled from school, or end up
getting identified.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
And maybe targeted by the police.
Speaker 5 (14:43):
Probably a little bit of both. This is this guy's account.
Nice to win in twice. From what he explained to me.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
It wouldn't surprise me because I noticed yesterday they they
put online their program for the evening like they were
going to take classes on how to deal with hand
to hand combat with the police. And one of the
one of the events was was COVID testing. They had
a half hour set aside for people to get COVID tests.
And I think, wow, you're the last people on the
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planet who are worried about that, you know, but I
guess you know you're right.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
That's part of the reason for the masking.
Speaker 5 (15:14):
Yeah, and one of the reasons I wanted to play
that when he talks about some of the graffiti and
there I wanted to get inside and look at the graffiti.
We were able to get onto the grounds the camp.
It was on this morning, initially this morning, and then
reporters actually got moved off the site so that they
could clean it. I really wanted to see the graffiti.
I wanted to see what was actually written, and they
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are already painting over it here at the university, which
is frustrating as a journalist.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Well, one of the things I've heard, and I'm going
to talk more about it coming up after the news,
is that definitely these are organized and funded by left
wing political activist groups who have at their core communist
and anarchistic beliefs, which is what this guy was describing,
anarchist symbols, communist graffiti. This is part of the underground
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and it has been, you know, since back in the
nineteen sixties, and every so often it bubbles up to
the top, and it's well funded, well organized, and this
is their political ideology, and it is it is a
hate America ideology. It's a hatred of capitalism. Hatred of
America goes back to you know, the occupied protesting.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
I think from twenty eleven.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
It's the same threat and some of the same people
behind the organization. Blake, thanks very much, excellent recording. I
know you put it in a lot of long hours.
Thank you, and we come back and want to talk
more about this because this is what's going on.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
It is not innocent.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Students exercising their First Amendment right, It's nowhere close to that,
And people who've been covering this stuff for years know it,
and so does the university. Deborah mark By keeping you
up again caught me. You know, I'm gonna have a
yawn meter running.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
You've done that, You've been threatening that.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
I think I'm going to have a real one.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Aren't you. You're still upside down from your trip.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
No, I just don't sleep.
Speaker 8 (17:06):
You're listening to John Cobels on demand from KFI AM
six forty.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
So like, if you have the time, you know, here
at the station, it's our job, and maybe maybe you
have the time in between working and taking care of
your family, and you watch news coverage, you listen to
our show for a bit whatever. Right, You're scrolling around
online and you pick up bits and pieces of the riots,
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and you hear the headlines, you hear the standard coverage,
but you don't really know what's going on. So what
I want to do for a few minutes is to
tell you what tell you what's really going on.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
And we've We've gotten this.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
From multiple sources and things that I've collected. You know,
when you put in a number of hours every day
studying a story like this, you learn a lot more,
obviously than if you spend three minutes watching the ten
o'clock news. So on the surface, it's, oh, these students
sympathetic to the Gossen people, and they're angry with the
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Israeli military and the US government for financing the Israelis
with weapons and money.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Okay, here's the real story.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
There are entrenched leftist groups that have been around. I'm
just going to use the modern era of protests. You know,
from the nineteen sixties onward, the period of time that
I'm either lived through or was aware of, and a
lot of this kind of protest activity started in the
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nineteen sixties. It started when mass media became popularized, such
as television, and that people could take the stage and
play to the cameras and influence the news and influence
the public right. Once people were able to see in
the nineteen sixties in uh, well in color, because you know,
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on the fifties, TV penetration wasn't as deep as you think,
especially in the first half of the decade, but by
the sixties it it was one hundred percent, and everybody
learned how to use it, and they learned how to
manipulate the media.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Very difficult to manipulate the.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Media and the days of radio or in the days
of newspapers, but everyone realized that that the human brain
responds to pictures the things it sees in a far
more powerful way than things it hears or something it reads.
And so these protesters learned they had to put on
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a good show to get people's attention, and the show
became acts of civil disobedience in some kind of public
setting that was disruptive in order to justify the attention
that people were going to pay. It's like, wow, look
at that. Do you believe what happened today?
Speaker 7 (19:59):
All?
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Right?
Speaker 2 (19:59):
That that is the key to any kind of media entertainment.
If you look at this as media entertainment, it kind
of makes more sense. Right, if you're putting on a
television show, what do you want you want people to
go to? Work the next day and say, oh, wow,
what I saw last night, Well, THO was such a
great show. Other whether you put on a play at
the theater, you put it, you go to a concert,
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it's like you want people to say, what a great show.
And that's the thing here with these protest groups.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
You want people to.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Get snippets on TV and say, wow, you wouldn't believe
what's going on at UCLA.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
What are they talking about?
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Oh, they're upset over gods and the protesters right, So
that's the framework. Put it in an entertainment framework. So
you have to have funding for this. And these leftist
groups now they hate America. And I don't say this
as a cliche and to sound like a political hack host,
but truly they think the country is illegitimate. It was
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we stole the land, We built it on the backs
of slaves. You know, the whole routine. Capitalism is evil
because you have winners and losers, and you have people
who make a lot of money and exploit people who
don't make money. And you know, some people have too
much privilege and other people have no privilege at all.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
You know, the routine.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
It's the same leftist preaching that's been going on, and
they believe it as deeply as anybody believes in their
religion or anybody believes in their own family. All right,
it's right down to the book. Then you have opportunists
who realize, oh, I can make money at this, which
is what I'm getting to and it also gives you
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a purpose in life. Either you're a true believer and
you think you're making the world better, or you're an
opportunist who realize is you know, I can get some
stature and I can get paid. And maybe I believe
in this or maybe I don't, it doesn't really matter.
It's like I know how to do it. You know
a lot of people and they realize they know how
to do something, even if it's not their first love
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in life. It's like, yeah, I'm gonna do this. This
is gonna pay the bill. I'm going to get a
comfortable life out of this. So that's all coming together
behind these leftist groups. The modern modern version of this
really started to my mind around twenty eleven Occupy Wall
Street we called it Occupy here, and it was in
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the run up to the Obama reelection, with Romney as
the likely candidate against him. A way to highlight that
Romney was one of these super wealthy money manipulators who
cared nothing for the common man. And it was coming
off a few years after the huge Wall Street scandal,
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the mortgage debacle. A lot of people lost their jobs,
a lot of people lost their homes, and there was
a real receptive audience to the idea that yeah, Wall
Street is a rigged.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Game, and it is to some extent, and that.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
You know, people manipulated the system and eventually came crashing down.
Nobody from Wall Street went to went to jail, but
lots of people lost their jobs and lots of people
lost their homes, and that is all true because capitalism
is not a perfect system, and human beings are greedy
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and manipulative and some of them are evils, so that
that's all true, So that that's their belief system.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
And then they realized, wow, this got a lot of attention.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
We all pitched tents, remember they did this at City
Hall while vera Grocer's. They pitched tents.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
And they they were crapping all over the place.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
One theme in all these uh, all these protests, you'll
see it come back over and over again is is
Feces is a big part of all this stuff. Like
Blake was talking, you know, they had they had poop
tents at U c l A. You had, you had,
you had lots of feces at the occupy movement. Feces
is a major part of the movement to allow homeless
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people to take over the street. There there there is
a connection between the occupy movement and twenty eleven and
this massive hysterical homeless industry that has developed. And what
is it about people intents? What is it about this protest?
People intense because you can cover a lot of territory
by pitching tents.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
You can create a lot of.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Quite a blockade. It's about, you know, grabbing control of land.
Like any war is is who's got the land, Who's
got control? Well, these groups.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Occupy.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Then we had the first iteration of Black Lives Matter,
after the Ferguson Missouri case, you know, hands up, don't shoot,
which was built on a line. Then Trump gets elected,
you had these anti Trump demonstrations, you had climate change demonstrations,
George Floyd, the second iteration of black Lives Matter. Then
last year what was the issue was trans issues? And
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now it's Israel and I'm listening to this guy and
I'll talk more about it when I come back. He's
on Fox Dunes and I'm going to try We're going
to try to get him on. I just got his
first name. Paul came in a little bit late in
the interview, but Paul says, I know these people. I've
been covering them since Occupy Wall Street in twenty eleven.
He's some kind of investigator and he says, it's all
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the same people, and it's an industry, and it's a
way to make money. It's professionalized. It has become a
major weapon that can be used against people in government,
against businesses, you know, against just basic civilization. Tell you
more about it when we come back.
Speaker 8 (25:33):
You're listening to John Cobels on demand from KFI AM
six forty.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Coming up after two o'clock, Debor's News. We're going to
talk about well more on more on these protests and
the behind the scenes story. Brad Garrett, he's the ABC
News Crime and Terrorism analyst, and he's going to talk
about how these protests started and why they're difficult to
stop and uh, the outside ADJECTI component that I've been
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talking about. Brad Garrett coming up after two o'clock. So
just to finish up here the protests, I'm there was
this expert on Fox, and I've got some other sources
on this as well. These are the same people, many
of them, that have been putting on protests for let's
call it the last thirteen years of the modern era,
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and from Occupy to BLM, to George Floyd, to climate
change to trends and now it's Israel. Homeless activists have
picked up a lot of these tactics as well. It
always involves tents, it always involves poop, It involves belligerents,
It involves a lot of the jimboree behavior, you know,
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chanting rhymes. Usually what they're saying is incoherent and crazy.
It's based on a lot of aggression and emotion, and
they go to classes for this. The whole industry is professionalized.
According to this analyst I saw on Fox, and he said,
in New York City alone, there are one thousand non
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profits five oh one three c nonprofits involved in activism.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
They get funded, They get funded big time.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
You know. Now there are many more billions and trillions
of dollars floating around because of all the tech money
in the world and all the investment hedge fund titans,
people like George Soros, a lot of tech billionaires, and
they want to make their mark on changing society. For
whatever reason, they fund these groups. There's plenty of money.
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So what they do is they find college students who
want to get in the game, and they get trained
and they do what you've seen at UCLA this week.
After they get out of college, especially if they've been
expelled suspended, they then become professional agitators and organizers and
organized protests over whatever the issue of the day is.
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And you know, the issue doesn't really matter. The point
is to create disruption in society. The point is to
get people fighting with each other to provide distraction. It's
to block traffic, it's to block school, it's to block things.
It's to make life unhappy in America. And so they
like any television show, right, you need new material every year,
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you need a new production. So this year's production is
Reel Gaza. Last year's production was trans the year before
that was climate change, the year before that's George Flood.
It's just material, that's all it is. And they manipulate
social media. Social media works great at infiltrating the minds
of young people. They've already infiltrated the university system. The
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university system now takes its students based on well, first
of all, a lot of the elite colleges don't use
SATs anymore, so the intelligence factor has been removed. Secondly,
it's dei stuff, all right, And so what you have are.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Like in this case, you're taking a.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Dispute that's gone on for thousands and thousands of years.
Now it's here because we've brought in so many people
from overseas, from the Middle East. Well, they brought their
grievances and feuds and wars with them. So now on
a college campus, what do we have here? We have
Israelis fighting Palestinians. It's been imported, you know, the way
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leaving the border open has brought the Mexican drug cartels
to our country and we have to deal with that
on the streets as well. We don't take people anymore.
You can get into any humanities program now there's a
lot of garbage degrees going on, and we know what
the garbage degrees are. Usually ends with the word study.
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There's all kinds of gender and ethnic studies and various
offshoots of that. And when you graduate, what are you
going to do with it? There's nothing you could do
with it. But one of the industries you can get
in is the protest industry, so you can make money,
You teach the next class of kids, and you spread
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your influence. You infiltrate more colleges, more cities, and make
life difficult for ordinary Americans. This is done on purpose.
This is funded by rich people who want to see
all this happen. It's not a conspiracy theory. It's your
reality that you're living in it. There's no other explanation
for all this. There's no other explanation to have these
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kinds of protests that shut down traffic, that shut down business,
that shut down life, that go on and on and on.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
It's all got tense. It's all got this.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
It's like the same production company over and over again
with their same they're they're saying taglines and they that's
what's going on. But it's it's not students primarily exercising
the First Amendment rights. It's professional organizations wanting to disrupt
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our lives. And you think the university presidents would know this,
And you know what, maybe they do, and they don't care.
Maybe they have the same belief too, and they hate
America and they hate capitalism, they hate our way of life.
We stole the country from the dative Americans, we we
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enslaved blacks and the whole rest of it. And maybe
that's what they really believe, and that they want to
do their part by lending their land at uc LA
over to the good cause. And then when it finally
gets out of hand and it looks like people are
going to die and they're going to get their asses sued,
it's like, all right, all right, we'll call them the police.
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It's not that I don't even think that they're anti police.
I think what they want is they want the mayhem.
They want the trouble. This is what they think America deserves.
And they're trying to wake up all you boring suburban
people who are ignoring all the issues and all the
history that America has created, all the terrible things that's
done in the past, all the terrible things it's doing now.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
How else to shake you up?
Speaker 2 (32:24):
And by having a riot on your TV screens every night,
it's programming, it's emotional manipulation. There's nothing any of US
can do about Israel and Gaza. Nothing, especially these protesters. Nothing.
It's an issue that we have zero influence over.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Nothing.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
You can vote for Biden. He is sending in plenty
of money and plenty of weaponry. Trump is going to
send even more money and more weaponry, so it doesn't
even affect the election at all because Israel is going
to do what it's going to do. This is programming,
all right, we come back Brad Garrett from ABC News. Hey,
you've been listening to The John Cobalt Show podcast. You
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and of course, anytime on demand on the iHeartRadio app
Can't. I am six forty.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
You're listening to the John Cobel podcast on the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
Welcome to the Circus.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
We're on every day from one until four, and then
after four o'clock. If you missed anything, you can get
the John Cobel's show on demand on the iHeart app.
We have obviously a lot to cover. I can tell
you I'm having epiphanies all the time. They're not quite
like orgasms, but but sort of.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
I'm glad that you clarify that.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Suddenly I jerk my head back and I see, I
see the world clearly, and I say, aha, I got
it now.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
I don't know if you wanted to say it that way,
but anyway.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Don't read dirty things. I'm talking off the top of
my head. Odd things might come out one once I
get bounced, I know.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
All right, Well, well I'll tell you how I'm figuring
the world out coming up blent. Charlie's going to help too,
since he has been up close to all the excitement
at UCLA for the past few days.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
And they quite a night last night.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
Blake you there, hey, John, how you doing?
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Sah?
Speaker 2 (01:12):
How many people get they did? How many people did
they arrest.
Speaker 5 (01:16):
Yeah, so right now the count that we're given is
like two hundred and three, but that number could raise
or could rise here in the next few days. You know,
I was told none of these cases now again, this
was told to me this morning by a source in
the DA's office. But I was told none of these
cases have been turned over yet. Most of these cases
are going to be simple trespassing cases for the students
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who refuse to leave the camp. But there are some
assault cases pending now, is what I'm told. But prosecutors
are going to be working to get their hands on
a lot of video and able to get those cases
to or those charges to stick.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
I think everybody's wondering will be there'd be actual prosecutions
of anyone for the I mean, god, God, what a
mess they created.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Yeah, and look who they're heading to though.
Speaker 5 (02:02):
They are heading to George Gascone's office for for prosecution.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
And you know what.
Speaker 5 (02:06):
I had sent them an email at ATO three this morning,
I said, good morning, how does the DA plan to
prosecute cases on the UCLA students? And I have yet
to hear anything back now that could be that they're
still coming up with a plan or the answer. But yeah, John,
it was a pretty intense night showing up here to campus.
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I showed up as the action was underway and it
sounded like a war zone. This morning, we'll get into
some of this. Flash bangs were going off throughout the
entire night and through the early morning hours. Let's just
get a timeline going before we get into some of this.
Police had initially called for students to disperse from the
camp at about six pm. They gave these students about
(02:51):
nine hours. At about three am, police start dismantling the
barrier around the Pro Palestinian camp. Keep in mind, this
is a barrier that was reinforced yesterday, so all those
students hard work was torn down pretty quickly by mainly
CHP officers in riot gear. They got in there, they
started tearing apart this this barrier, and they were met
(03:15):
with some resistance. I was watching some TV coverage from
the from the line from the exact moment that they
they broke down that barrier, and bottles were being thrown.
Fire extinguishers were going off at police. Police were firing
flashbanks into the air in order to you know, distract
and and intimidate, you know, the student or the protesters
(03:39):
to try to get them to back down. It does
appear that some less lethal munitions were used, just by
video I saw. I did ask the CHP about that
this morning. He was unable to confirm it, but just
by video it did appear that rubber bullets were possibly
being used. When we had asked CHP, what what exactly
was your strategy here? And keep in mind they were
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able to clear all this out in about three hours,
they said. The spokesperson said, look, I can't give you
the exact but what I can tell you is that
generally the goal is you break the big group up
into little contingents and then you deal with those, and
that's what we saw play out. I followed one of
those little contingents as they got pushed from towards the
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encampment out to the streets. We'll start here. The protesters
were down to a group of about one hundred with
the contingent that I saw. So in the very beginning,
there was about one hundred of them and they were
facing off with officers in riot gear and chanting take
a listen to this, and that went on. There were
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different chants. One was there's no riot here, so why
are you and riot gear? Other sorts of chance that
went on. And what officers really did, John is they
they would stand in a formated line, and sometimes that
line would look more like a horseshoe, as they kind
of contained a perimeter line around these student or around
these protesters, and then every five minutes or so, you'd
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hear them say push, and they would push these students back. Now,
what was really interesting is while there were these impassioned
protesters up on the line chanting, there appeared to be
some other ones who I'm guessing were just tired, because
at this point it's three point thirty four in the morning.
They were on their phones, texting, some were sitting down,
So I was able to actually talk with a few
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of them and get their thoughts.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
This is you'll hear the commotion in the background.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
This is as CHP officers are pushing them off campus.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
You know.
Speaker 5 (05:40):
One of the things that I think with this group,
and yesterday it interviewed somebody in the encampment and they
had said, listen, we're not leaving until the school meets
our demands divest from Israeli businesses. Do you all plan
to go down with the ship today? If police start
making arrests on this contingent of people, I think.
Speaker 6 (05:58):
It's really interesting how I guess, you know, have started
calling police on people. They're saying like like these people,
I don't know, They're saying all of these different things
about peaceful protesters. Whereas the semester ends like two weeks.
Speaker 5 (06:09):
So do you think that the encampment would just naturally
come to an end in two weeks when this semester
is over?
Speaker 4 (06:14):
Was that the plan?
Speaker 7 (06:15):
It was it would not come to an end in
Leicester just actual a social statement from UCLA that they
would divest from iSER.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
So you would have kept the encampment here through the summer.
Speaker 6 (06:24):
We would have.
Speaker 7 (06:25):
We would have We literally were just in there police
margin they start beating people up.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
Yeah, what did you see from the encampment?
Speaker 5 (06:32):
Because I know the about three am right, they started
moving in on the encampment.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
What'd you see people?
Speaker 6 (06:36):
People were like extremely peaceful. We arrived and people were
like eating food and just talking and like having like
a studying of course because it's exam season. And then
like they started coming in and it was like they
started like pushing people like I know, like me and
like a couple of people We got like trapped against
walls or like pushed and like hit and everything. So
it's like they were very violent against us.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
What did you see from sources students?
Speaker 6 (07:01):
It was just very violent. They didn't want like we
had seen multiple students. They'd offered to like have talks
and everything, because like if the universities don't want to
talk to us, maybe.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
Local authority as well.
Speaker 6 (07:12):
But no one was responding at all.
Speaker 5 (07:15):
So right here we stopped because we're actually getting pushed John,
and then the interview continues. Here we go, are you
afraid of at all though that you know, any sort
of munitions could be used against you as you guys
remain defiant here.
Speaker 6 (07:27):
I think it's really interesting how, like me personally, my
greatest fear went from school shootings to the police. It's
like the biggest threat to us is the police, the
police violence. It's like they've become the school shooters that
we were so afraid about in like elementary, middle.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
And high school.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
I figured he liked that, Wow, you know, I had
to pick them out unless they're all like that.
Speaker 5 (07:55):
Well, a lot of them won't even talk to talk
to the media. You know, you have to really work
at them to get them to to even talk.
Speaker 7 (08:01):
You know.
Speaker 5 (08:01):
I like the account she gave that they were sitting around.
Some of them were just studying, because in the morning.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
That's that's when I like to study.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Three in the morning, outdoors, in the middle of a riot,
while the police are charging.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
That is just the study time that groups.
Speaker 5 (08:17):
Every time officers would push towards them, they would run backwards,
and ultimately they ended up on the campus line here,
if you will, out to the just basically off campus,
out into the general public. And at one point an
astro van came to pick up a bunch of these
protesters and they loaded it. It looked like a clown car.
I mean there were It was like a little astro van,
and I swear twelve of them got in. I was
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like that above a four cylinder enginell I didn't even
run with that many people. Do you have any more stuff?
Because I guess you know what. I talked to a
guy and I vetted out his page. He infiltrated the
camp and he told me a little bit about what
he saw inside. This guy's followed by Megan Kelly, some
big names at Fox News. Some of these tweets he's
got from inside have gone viral. He gave me a
(09:01):
little bit of a an inside look of what he
saw when he snuck in by counterintelligence. Huh, Well, he's
so young. I thought he was a student. I was
just out trying to interview students.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
He looks like one. I assume that's how he got in.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
He found a spy. You found found an infiltrainer. We
found an infiltrator. All right, Blake Trolley with his infiltrator
coming up from KFI News. As we continue enjoying the
coverage of the u c l A riots this week.
Speaker 8 (09:25):
You're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI Am
six forty.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
We are talking with Blake Trolley at KFI. He was
up in the middle of the night to witness and
cover the u c A riots, another another evening of
entertainment on the u c LA campus, and he's he
followed around, As he explained, the police broke up the
very large contingent and protesters into smaller contingents, and Blake
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latched onto one and started interviewing some of the participants.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
So, now, who what do you have next here?
Speaker 4 (10:01):
You know what?
Speaker 5 (10:01):
Actually, before we get into the guy that infiltrated the camp,
and he did that on Sunday. I do want to
go to the last We'll go to this woman. She
says that she is a professor from a college out
on the East Coast. She was here with her husband.
I saw them behind the protest line. I thought they
were just protesters. She said, Oh, are you a protester?
She said, no, I'm a professor. I said, oh, here
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at UCLA. She said, no, school on the East Coast.
And here's what she had to say. She was here
to support these students.
Speaker 9 (10:30):
I mean, I've done this when I was in my twenties.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
I'm a little more aged than that.
Speaker 9 (10:35):
But yeah, no, I think it's a good cause. You know,
I want students to know what's going on in the world.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
Jess, watch it and can we have your name? Is
that possible? No, I would rather not, No problem not.
Speaker 5 (10:48):
I appreciate it. So you think they're couraged. Do you
have a similar protest that raged at your school?
Speaker 9 (10:53):
No? No, we're out in the East Coast. It's a
little bit different out there.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
Okay, Now, so you think these students are courageous. Do
you have any concerns though? For other students? I know
that we have heard concerns. On the other side, they
say that there has been you know, some students are
claiming they've been blocked, you know, going to classes.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
Things like that.
Speaker 9 (11:14):
Anytime we're seeing law and order being enforced on campus
when students are protesting peacefully, yeah, that concerns me. This
could go very wrong. You could have students injured. We
have this history in the US, we have Kent University,
and I think that's what I'm afraid of more than
the political causes. I'm concerned about their safety. Look what
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you're doing on campus.
Speaker 5 (11:36):
And one of the things I saw a lot of
with these students. You saw it on video footage last night.
I witnessed it today is they kept saying we're students,
We're students. They were criticizing police almost like, how dare
you well, you know we're protected here.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
You can't pull that card after all the rockets you've
created over the last few days.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
All right, while we still have time. Tell me about
the infiltrator.
Speaker 5 (11:59):
Yeah, So I was walking around, I'm looking for I'm
looking for kids to interview. I spoke with a few
and then I see this guy kind of looks like
a college student and I pull him aside and I
had asked him, like, are you student? He said no,
I'm an undercover journalist. I said, oh, interesting. So I
was asking what he was doing and he said, well,
I actually got into the camp on Sunday.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
His name is cam Higbee. I checked out his Twitter page.
Speaker 5 (12:23):
He has photos and some video clips from inside, although
he was largely restricted from what he could get footage
on because he explained to me there was a lot
of rules about filming in there. They could film the graffiti,
but they were not supposed to film each other. So
it was from his account, really, you know, it just
seemed very hard to get footage. But here's just a
(12:44):
little bit john of what he says he saw in there.
And keep in mind, this is a guy that's followed
by Megan Kelly, some people at Fox News, and you know,
some bigger, you know, named journalists are following this guy.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
I put on a coffea found a wristband, put it on,
walked right in. There is I mean a symbolism everywhere
on the inside. There are spray paint calling for intofada.
There is spray paint with a sort of anarchy, a
with riot written above it there is.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
I mean, there's all kind of stuff.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
They're pooping in buckets, there's a gender neutral emergency bathroom tent.
I don't know what they're doing with the waste, but
that's in there, or it wasn't there, so I get
nothing's in there now.
Speaker 5 (13:23):
So the living conditions. You say they were pooping in buckets,
which is shocking. What other shocking elements of their living
condition did you because I actually assumed they were using
the building's bathrooms.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
I mean that was just my assumption.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Some of them are, but there are bathroom tents inside
they have They had probably tens of thousands of dollars
worth of supplies de order and toothpaste, toothbrushes, sanitary stuff,
feminine products, food, water, anything you can think of that
would be required to maintain somebody's life, isn't it, medicine,
COVID tests. It's all inside there or was inside of
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huge tents. So yeah, I mean, I don't know where
they got the funding for all. That's why the first
question I asked was who's funding this? But it was
just shocking how much stuff they have. But they're all
living in tents and sleeping bag some of them slept
on the patio to Royce here.
Speaker 5 (14:14):
So there's just a little bit of of the inside now,
you know. John, we've talked about the fact that you
see so many protesters wearing face masks. According to him,
that was that was a rule. So they were afraid of,
you know, passing pathogens to each other, hooping intents?
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Were they really I thought it was so that they
can't be identified and expelled from school, or end up
getting identified.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
And maybe targeted by the police.
Speaker 5 (14:43):
Probably a little bit of both. This is this guy's account.
Nice to win in twice. From what he explained to me.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
It wouldn't surprise me because I noticed yesterday they they
put online their program for the evening like they were
going to take classes on how to deal with hand
to hand combat with the police. And one of the
one of the events was was COVID testing. They had
a half hour set aside for people to get COVID tests.
And I think, wow, you're the last people on the
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planet who are worried about that, you know, but I
guess you know you're right.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
That's part of the reason for the masking.
Speaker 5 (15:14):
Yeah, and one of the reasons I wanted to play
that when he talks about some of the graffiti and
there I wanted to get inside and look at the graffiti.
We were able to get onto the grounds the camp.
It was on this morning, initially this morning, and then
reporters actually got moved off the site so that they
could clean it. I really wanted to see the graffiti.
I wanted to see what was actually written, and they
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are already painting over it here at the university, which
is frustrating as a journalist.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Well, one of the things I've heard, and I'm going
to talk more about it coming up after the news,
is that definitely these are organized and funded by left
wing political activist groups who have at their core communist
and anarchistic beliefs, which is what this guy was describing,
anarchist symbols, communist graffiti. This is part of the underground
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and it has been, you know, since back in the
nineteen sixties, and every so often it bubbles up to
the top, and it's well funded, well organized, and this
is their political ideology, and it is it is a
hate America ideology. It's a hatred of capitalism. Hatred of
America goes back to you know, the occupied protesting.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
I think from twenty eleven.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
It's the same threat and some of the same people
behind the organization. Blake, thanks very much, excellent recording. I
know you put it in a lot of long hours.
Thank you, and we come back and want to talk
more about this because this is what's going on.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
It is not innocent.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Students exercising their First Amendment right, It's nowhere close to that,
And people who've been covering this stuff for years know it,
and so does the university. Deborah mark By keeping you
up again caught me. You know, I'm gonna have a
yawn meter running.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
You've done that, You've been threatening that.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
I think I'm going to have a real one.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Aren't you. You're still upside down from your trip.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
No, I just don't sleep.
Speaker 8 (17:06):
You're listening to John Cobels on demand from KFI AM
six forty.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
So like, if you have the time, you know, here
at the station, it's our job, and maybe maybe you
have the time in between working and taking care of
your family, and you watch news coverage, you listen to
our show for a bit whatever. Right, You're scrolling around
online and you pick up bits and pieces of the riots,
(17:35):
and you hear the headlines, you hear the standard coverage,
but you don't really know what's going on. So what
I want to do for a few minutes is to
tell you what tell you what's really going on.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
And we've We've gotten this.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
From multiple sources and things that I've collected. You know,
when you put in a number of hours every day
studying a story like this, you learn a lot more,
obviously than if you spend three minutes watching the ten
o'clock news. So on the surface, it's, oh, these students
sympathetic to the Gossen people, and they're angry with the
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Israeli military and the US government for financing the Israelis
with weapons and money.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Okay, here's the real story.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
There are entrenched leftist groups that have been around. I'm
just going to use the modern era of protests. You know,
from the nineteen sixties onward, the period of time that
I'm either lived through or was aware of, and a
lot of this kind of protest activity started in the
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nineteen sixties. It started when mass media became popularized, such
as television, and that people could take the stage and
play to the cameras and influence the news and influence
the public right. Once people were able to see in
the nineteen sixties in uh, well in color, because you know,
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on the fifties, TV penetration wasn't as deep as you think,
especially in the first half of the decade, but by
the sixties it it was one hundred percent, and everybody
learned how to use it, and they learned how to
manipulate the media.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Very difficult to manipulate the.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Media and the days of radio or in the days
of newspapers, but everyone realized that that the human brain
responds to pictures the things it sees in a far
more powerful way than things it hears or something it reads.
And so these protesters learned they had to put on
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a good show to get people's attention, and the show
became acts of civil disobedience in some kind of public
setting that was disruptive in order to justify the attention
that people were going to pay. It's like, wow, look
at that. Do you believe what happened today?
Speaker 7 (19:59):
All?
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Right?
Speaker 2 (19:59):
That that is the key to any kind of media entertainment.
If you look at this as media entertainment, it kind
of makes more sense. Right, if you're putting on a
television show, what do you want you want people to
go to? Work the next day and say, oh, wow,
what I saw last night, Well, THO was such a
great show. Other whether you put on a play at
the theater, you put it, you go to a concert,
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it's like you want people to say, what a great show.
And that's the thing here with these protest groups.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
You want people to.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Get snippets on TV and say, wow, you wouldn't believe
what's going on at UCLA.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
What are they talking about?
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Oh, they're upset over gods and the protesters right, So
that's the framework. Put it in an entertainment framework. So
you have to have funding for this. And these leftist
groups now they hate America. And I don't say this
as a cliche and to sound like a political hack host,
but truly they think the country is illegitimate. It was
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we stole the land, We built it on the backs
of slaves. You know, the whole routine. Capitalism is evil
because you have winners and losers, and you have people
who make a lot of money and exploit people who
don't make money. And you know, some people have too
much privilege and other people have no privilege at all.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
You know, the routine.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
It's the same leftist preaching that's been going on, and
they believe it as deeply as anybody believes in their
religion or anybody believes in their own family. All right,
it's right down to the book. Then you have opportunists
who realize, oh, I can make money at this, which
is what I'm getting to and it also gives you
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a purpose in life. Either you're a true believer and
you think you're making the world better, or you're an
opportunist who realize is you know, I can get some
stature and I can get paid. And maybe I believe
in this or maybe I don't, it doesn't really matter.
It's like I know how to do it. You know
a lot of people and they realize they know how
to do something, even if it's not their first love
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in life. It's like, yeah, I'm gonna do this. This
is gonna pay the bill. I'm going to get a
comfortable life out of this. So that's all coming together
behind these leftist groups. The modern modern version of this
really started to my mind around twenty eleven Occupy Wall
Street we called it Occupy here, and it was in
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the run up to the Obama reelection, with Romney as
the likely candidate against him. A way to highlight that
Romney was one of these super wealthy money manipulators who
cared nothing for the common man. And it was coming
off a few years after the huge Wall Street scandal,
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the mortgage debacle. A lot of people lost their jobs,
a lot of people lost their homes, and there was
a real receptive audience to the idea that yeah, Wall
Street is a rigged.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Game, and it is to some extent, and that.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
You know, people manipulated the system and eventually came crashing down.
Nobody from Wall Street went to went to jail, but
lots of people lost their jobs and lots of people
lost their homes, and that is all true because capitalism
is not a perfect system, and human beings are greedy
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and manipulative and some of them are evils, so that
that's all true, So that that's their belief system.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
And then they realized, wow, this got a lot of attention.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
We all pitched tents, remember they did this at City
Hall while vera Grocer's. They pitched tents.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
And they they were crapping all over the place.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
One theme in all these uh, all these protests, you'll
see it come back over and over again is is
Feces is a big part of all this stuff. Like
Blake was talking, you know, they had they had poop
tents at U c l A. You had, you had,
you had lots of feces at the occupy movement. Feces
is a major part of the movement to allow homeless
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people to take over the street. There there there is
a connection between the occupy movement and twenty eleven and
this massive hysterical homeless industry that has developed. And what
is it about people intents? What is it about this protest?
People intense because you can cover a lot of territory
by pitching tents.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
You can create a lot of.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Quite a blockade. It's about, you know, grabbing control of land.
Like any war is is who's got the land, Who's
got control? Well, these groups.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Occupy.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Then we had the first iteration of Black Lives Matter,
after the Ferguson Missouri case, you know, hands up, don't shoot,
which was built on a line. Then Trump gets elected,
you had these anti Trump demonstrations, you had climate change demonstrations,
George Floyd, the second iteration of black Lives Matter. Then
last year what was the issue was trans issues? And
(24:54):
now it's Israel and I'm listening to this guy and
I'll talk more about it when I come back. He's
on Fox Dunes and I'm going to try We're going
to try to get him on. I just got his
first name. Paul came in a little bit late in
the interview, but Paul says, I know these people. I've
been covering them since Occupy Wall Street in twenty eleven.
He's some kind of investigator and he says, it's all
(25:15):
the same people, and it's an industry, and it's a
way to make money. It's professionalized. It has become a
major weapon that can be used against people in government,
against businesses, you know, against just basic civilization. Tell you
more about it when we come back.
Speaker 8 (25:33):
You're listening to John Cobels on demand from KFI AM
six forty.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Coming up after two o'clock, Debor's News. We're going to
talk about well more on more on these protests and
the behind the scenes story. Brad Garrett, he's the ABC
News Crime and Terrorism analyst, and he's going to talk
about how these protests started and why they're difficult to
stop and uh, the outside ADJECTI component that I've been
(26:01):
talking about. Brad Garrett coming up after two o'clock. So
just to finish up here the protests, I'm there was
this expert on Fox, and I've got some other sources
on this as well. These are the same people, many
of them, that have been putting on protests for let's
call it the last thirteen years of the modern era,
(26:24):
and from Occupy to BLM, to George Floyd, to climate
change to trends and now it's Israel. Homeless activists have
picked up a lot of these tactics as well. It
always involves tents, it always involves poop, It involves belligerents,
It involves a lot of the jimboree behavior, you know,
(26:47):
chanting rhymes. Usually what they're saying is incoherent and crazy.
It's based on a lot of aggression and emotion, and
they go to classes for this. The whole industry is professionalized.
According to this analyst I saw on Fox, and he said,
in New York City alone, there are one thousand non
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profits five oh one three c nonprofits involved in activism.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
They get funded, They get funded big time.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
You know. Now there are many more billions and trillions
of dollars floating around because of all the tech money
in the world and all the investment hedge fund titans,
people like George Soros, a lot of tech billionaires, and
they want to make their mark on changing society. For
whatever reason, they fund these groups. There's plenty of money.
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So what they do is they find college students who
want to get in the game, and they get trained
and they do what you've seen at UCLA this week.
After they get out of college, especially if they've been
expelled suspended, they then become professional agitators and organizers and
organized protests over whatever the issue of the day is.
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And you know, the issue doesn't really matter. The point
is to create disruption in society. The point is to
get people fighting with each other to provide distraction. It's
to block traffic, it's to block school, it's to block things.
It's to make life unhappy in America. And so they
like any television show, right, you need new material every year,
(28:25):
you need a new production. So this year's production is
Reel Gaza. Last year's production was trans the year before
that was climate change, the year before that's George Flood.
It's just material, that's all it is. And they manipulate
social media. Social media works great at infiltrating the minds
of young people. They've already infiltrated the university system. The
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university system now takes its students based on well, first
of all, a lot of the elite colleges don't use
SATs anymore, so the intelligence factor has been removed. Secondly,
it's dei stuff, all right, And so what you have are.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Like in this case, you're taking a.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Dispute that's gone on for thousands and thousands of years.
Now it's here because we've brought in so many people
from overseas, from the Middle East. Well, they brought their
grievances and feuds and wars with them. So now on
a college campus, what do we have here? We have
Israelis fighting Palestinians. It's been imported, you know, the way
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leaving the border open has brought the Mexican drug cartels
to our country and we have to deal with that
on the streets as well. We don't take people anymore.
You can get into any humanities program now there's a
lot of garbage degrees going on, and we know what
the garbage degrees are. Usually ends with the word study.
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There's all kinds of gender and ethnic studies and various
offshoots of that. And when you graduate, what are you
going to do with it? There's nothing you could do
with it. But one of the industries you can get
in is the protest industry, so you can make money,
You teach the next class of kids, and you spread
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your influence. You infiltrate more colleges, more cities, and make
life difficult for ordinary Americans. This is done on purpose.
This is funded by rich people who want to see
all this happen. It's not a conspiracy theory. It's your
reality that you're living in it. There's no other explanation
for all this. There's no other explanation to have these
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kinds of protests that shut down traffic, that shut down business,
that shut down life, that go on and on and on.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
It's all got tense. It's all got this.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
It's like the same production company over and over again
with their same they're they're saying taglines and they that's
what's going on. But it's it's not students primarily exercising
the First Amendment rights. It's professional organizations wanting to disrupt
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our lives. And you think the university presidents would know this,
And you know what, maybe they do, and they don't care.
Maybe they have the same belief too, and they hate
America and they hate capitalism, they hate our way of life.
We stole the country from the dative Americans, we we
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enslaved blacks and the whole rest of it. And maybe
that's what they really believe, and that they want to
do their part by lending their land at uc LA
over to the good cause. And then when it finally
gets out of hand and it looks like people are
going to die and they're going to get their asses sued,
it's like, all right, all right, we'll call them the police.
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It's not that I don't even think that they're anti police.
I think what they want is they want the mayhem.
They want the trouble. This is what they think America deserves.
And they're trying to wake up all you boring suburban
people who are ignoring all the issues and all the
history that America has created, all the terrible things that's
done in the past, all the terrible things it's doing now.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
How else to shake you up?
Speaker 2 (32:24):
And by having a riot on your TV screens every night,
it's programming, it's emotional manipulation. There's nothing any of US
can do about Israel and Gaza. Nothing, especially these protesters. Nothing.
It's an issue that we have zero influence over.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Nothing.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
You can vote for Biden. He is sending in plenty
of money and plenty of weaponry. Trump is going to
send even more money and more weaponry, so it doesn't
even affect the election at all because Israel is going
to do what it's going to do. This is programming,
all right, we come back Brad Garrett from ABC News. Hey,
you've been listening to The John Cobalt Show podcast. You
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