May 2, 2024 • 30 mins
ABC News' Crime and Terrorism Analyst Brad Garrett talks about the origin of the college protests in the US. Joe Biden says Violent Protest is not Protected in America. KFI Contributor Aaron Cohen talks about his investigation of the UCLA protests. Iran's take on the Anti-Israel Protests.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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our newscast, and he's the crime and terrorism analyst for
ABC and we're going to talk about the orange and
impetus for these college protests that have spread everywhere. Brad,
how are you great?
Speaker 2 (00:57):
John?
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Thank you? All right? So New York Times published a
map of how many campuses have had these protests, some
of them small, some of them huge. Is this spontaneous
eruption or is this a planned attack to happen at
a vulnerable time for colleges. It's finals week in a
lot of places, graduation is imminent in a lot of places.
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There just seems just to be something like not authentic
about this to just to my instinct, Well, what about you,
what do you think?
Speaker 3 (01:27):
I think there's some reasonableness to that statement. And I
say that because what we don't know, John, is how
much influence.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Non students.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
In other words, the term outside act aggrevated agitated people
who aggravated, Yes, from the outside, thank you are are
part of this? And so you know, did this start
maybe online? Did they fire up kids by saying certain things?
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Maybe?
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Then did certain individuals sort of infiltrate the kids as
they informally got together to sort of protest what's going
on in Gaza? Probably? And then it looks like to me,
based on what NYPD and LAPD are saying, that there
is a fair number of people that weren't students of
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the people they arrested. And so you know, that tells
me a lot because that could take you directions of
foreign actors trying to get involved in this to create
chaos here or push an agenda a particular direction, and
there's also people that are professional agitators. In fact, NYPD
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made a comment that they even recognized some of the
people that were at Hamilton Hall from intel that they had,
that this is what they do. I guess, this is
their job.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
That's what I heard one analysts say today, And one
of the cable channels is like he's seeing some of
the same people that go back to the occupied protests
in twenty eleven.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
It wouldn't surprise me. I mean, there's a certain attraction
I guess to these things for folks, as odd as
that sounds, and there's money, well there may well be
money in it. There also would be probably different agendas,
like the police and you know, stoking these things up
to the get to the point where you've now broken
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the law and law enforcement's going to come and get you,
of which I think some of them want because it
then DAWs the picture. You know, here's law enforcement overstepping,
et cetera. Whatever their reality is about all that.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Well, you know, since it seems to come out of
the shadows and we don't know if it's financed domestically,
it's foreigners. I mean, we've obviously have the border wide open,
so who knows who's come here, you know, to create chaos.
It seems as if they could turn on the switch
whenever they want and suddenly there's dozens of campuses going crazy.
(03:58):
It just struck me that this or has gone on
since October and only now are we seeing these kinds
of protests. That's what tip me off to like this
this is not organic entirely, I don't.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
I think that's correct, and I think that once you
got it started, then you could you could amplify it
and then get the kids at uc LA and you know,
various colleges around the country. You get them going, and
so you have these multiple protests that some obviously have
turned into something much more than just peaceful protesting. Others
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have pretty much stayed as peaceful protests.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Why do you think the administrators take so long? They
must know that this is a comb I because they
always lead with their noble statement that these are students
exercising their First Amendment rights, they're interested in the world
and so on. But they also know that there's a
darker aspect to this, and by opening the door and
leaving the door open to allow this protest us move
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in to metastasize, you're gonna end up with a dark
knight like last night at UCLA.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
And I think that's driven by a couple of things.
One is, if you put your put yourself John in
the place of whoever runs U C l A, he
or she is going to get pulled by donors. They're
going to be pulled by students, students, parents and faculty
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and so who all have their own agendas. A lot
of it may not match. And so you're trying to
please a lot of people. I mean colleges are you know,
they get their money from a lot of different places. Uh,
And so there's all of that going on. And so yes,
they waited, they waited way too long. I think it
both on both coasts in New York, in and LA.
(05:49):
But I think the hesitation is, you know there's a
free open campuses. You know the stuff you just said,
but that at some point and along before this week,
in my view, you.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Draw a line. Save has gone too far.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
They've breaking the law and I'm going to send the
police and to get them. Now have they learned their lesson?
Because if this doesn't tone down, there's going to be
more cities where they're going to have to use law
enforcement to clear out the campus.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Here at UCLA, there has been quite a bit of
blatant anti Semitism, blatant Jewish hatred going on, and it's
really bothered a lot of people that the administration at
UCLA allowed that to fester, allowed that to continue there.
And so many people I've heard say, you know, if
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these were attacks on black people, for example, it wouldn't
be tolerated for five minutes. Why are the Jewish kids
being targeted this way? And why is the university allowing
it to go on so long?
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Yeah, it's a valid point, and I'd be interested to
hear the answer to that.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
You know.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
So there are so many things that happen that you
always scratch your head and say, why didn't that get addressed,
Because it's only going to get worse if you don't
address it, right. It's like anything else. If people know
they can take advantage of, you know, the bad things
that they're saying, they're going to say more bad things
or do more bad things. And this country, you know,
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supposedly works off the rule of law, and you know,
if you do things to step over the boundaries of
the law. Then you need to be held accountable.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Yeah, well people are starting. More people I hear just
in casual conversation are wondering about darker conspiracies. They're wondering
why so many things are going on that just don't
make sense and are getting so out of hand. All right,
Brad David, good talking with you.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Thanks very much, You're welcome anytime.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Take care Brad Garrett. He's the ABC News Crime and
Terrorism analysts, and we will continue. Coming up, we got play.
There's one funny clip to play. It looks like and
at least one protest Joe Biden has brought Israeli supporters
and Palestine supporters together. Play of that coming up.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
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six forty.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
You know, we were just talking with Brad Garrett and
I was talking at length last last hour about the
origins of these protests. I don't like making predictions because
most predictions are wrong, most public predictions. I don't care
what it is, anything from the stock market to sporting events,
to who's going to win political races, to you know
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how issues are going to play. Everybody's wrong because you
can't quantify human behavior. Human behavior is too weird, too erratic.
There's too many unpredictable things that happen. But I'll just
tell you what a gut feeling is. And I've had
this a while. I thought that this year was going
to be really, really nuts, and I think this is
the beginning of really really nuts with these protests. And
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it's because I think there are certain aspects to this
that are entirely predictable. When you have an administration that
will let anybody into the country, anybody into the country
for any reason, you are going to get a significant
amount of bad guys. When you have district attorneys that
will let any behavior go unpunished, you are going to
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get more bad behavior. When you get college administrators who
are not going to admit people to school based on
their academic excellence or their intelligence, but rather their well
the DEI qualities, diversity equity, inclusion qualities, you are going
to have problems when you don't have basic standards on
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who you're going to let in, where you're going to
let them in from. I'd be honest, I think there's
far too many people who've been let in the country
legal and illegally, who really don't want to be America
and don't believe in American ideals. I am not this big,
raw raw Patriot flagwaving guy, but I do understand when
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there's a general culture that most of us agree with
and support, that you have a more peaceful country. Well,
now we got everybody in from everywhere, and they don't
buy into America at all. They don't buy into capitalism,
they don't buy into peace. They find our way of
life to be offensive. You have people who you know,
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from these climate change clowns, who are offended that you
might have a driveway where you wash your car, that
you might have a swimming pool, that you might drive
to work on a freeway, that you might drive to
pick up your kids from school, that you're living in suburbia,
that you use air conditioning. Let's start with that. Okay,
just get down to your life. Many of your lives
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just basically living from morning tonight, and that there are
large groups who are not only protesting, they're spending money,
They've got influence, and they're trying to restrict the way
you live. That's why you have in California, which is
really a hotbed for all this our progressivism, the highest
gas prices you know, in the country, the highest electricity
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prices in the country. It's all about curtailing the freedom
of the way you live.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Now.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
We also don't have any any leaders, any strong leaders
at all, nobody to set the agenda. I don't believe
in Daddy figures and in Mommi figures, but there has
to be a general sense of, hey, this is what's
important in a free United States of America. Okay, we
don't want to be a third World been at a republic.
We don't want to be a chaotic Middle Eastern country
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with all kinds of ancient religious feuds. We had pretty
good going here, pretty good for a long time. Not perfect,
there's sure there would go on all day about what's wrong.
But you look at the when you look at drug
cartel run countries or countries that are to run by
violent theocracies, there are a lot of worse turns you
can take than America. So Joe Biden I must have
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shot him up with a double dose of adrenaline. They
finally directed him to a microphone, and he said some
things that he should have been saying every day, and
everybody should be saying every day publicly loudly. Let's place
some of this.
Speaker 5 (12:20):
So let me be clear, peaceful protest in America, violent
protest is not protected. Peaceful protest is. It's against the law,
and violence occurs. Destroying property is not a peaceful protest.
It's against the law. Vandalism, trespassing, breaking windows, shutting down
campus is forcing the cancelation of classes and graduations. None
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of this is a peaceful protest. Threatening people, intimidating people,
instill infering people is not peaceful protest. It's against the law.
Descent is essential to democracy, but descent must never lead
to disorder or to deny the rights of others so
students can finish the semester and their college education. Look,
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it's basically a matter of fairness. It's a matter of
what's right. There's the right to protest, but not the
right to cause chaos.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
All right, stop there, stop, let me clear, you're clear.
And he goes on in that date, and that needed
to be said again. I'm not a big fan of
Daddy coming out and giving a speech to lecture everybody
to behave but we've really gotten to the point where
I think more important people we're forgetting that there are
laws broken here. It's not a First Amendment right to
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do what they've been doing. These people should be arrested
and they should be put in jail. They should be prosecuted. Now,
I'm sure in Gasconne's world, nobody's going to get prosecuted,
nobody's going to be jailed. No, nobody is going to
suffer consequences, which means you're going to get more of this.
You know, human beings really are like toddlers. The more
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freedom you give them to do disruptive things, bad things,
the more you're going to get. Period. And to hear
him say that, I thought, gee, you think you think
these college administration college administrators are getting the message? Do
you think all these media fools, the media fools were
still running graphics that said mostly peaceful protests. No they weren't. No,
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they weren't mostly peaceful protests, even if you didn't see
fires in the background. They were chanting pretty horrible, vile,
violent things against the Jewish students. Now Biden has accomplished
one thing. He's gotten protesters, Israeli protesters and Palestandian protesters
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at the University of Alabama to agree that he has
created a terrible environment in this country. This really happened,
both sides engaging in the same chant at the same time.
Cut six. Yeah, they're chanting F Joe Biden. And you
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actually got to hear the audio without the bleep sound
because it's pretty funny. It's a stained chant of F
Joe Biden. And that's the Israelis and that's the Palestinians
coming together at the University of Alabama because at some level,
everybody knows that the country's gone to hell and we
don't have any kind of political leadership, and we don't
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have any kind of law enforcement leadership from governors, from
district attorneys, especially here in California and New York. Is
the same thing, and that's why the worst riots were
in California and New York, because these are the two
big states where they've gone with the great Progressive experiment
and you get nothing but disastrous results. When we come back,
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we're gonna have more on this. We gotta Aaron Cohen.
He is an Israeli Special Operations VET. We used to
have him on years ago and he's back doing reports
for KFI. He infiltrated the UCLA protests. He's a counter
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terrorism analyst, national law enforcement analyst. He's going to tell
us what he found at UCLA Aaron Cohen.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
Next, you're listening to John Cobels on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
We're on from one until four and after four o'clock
John Cobelt's show on demand on the iHeart app. Excuse me,
let's continue here analyzing the But we've talked a lot
this afternoon about what is really behind these protests. It's
more than just young college students airing their First Amendment rights.
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There's a lot going on in the back with outside
agitator groups and money and supplies, and the amount of
supplies that these this protest group in UCLA has staggering.
They've got supplies for barricades, They've got lots of food,
they had tools, they had really everything they needed to
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live there for a while and to protect themselves from
anybody who tried to invade their tent, now excluding of course,
the police. But we're going to talk with Aaron Cohen. Now,
Aaron con is an Israeli Special Operations vet and he
trains law enforcement counter terrorism analyst, and he did a
little infiltration into UCLA this week.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Aaron, how are you good?
Speaker 4 (17:47):
Good?
Speaker 1 (17:47):
How are you. I'm good. Well, what did you do
this week and what did you find?
Speaker 2 (17:54):
So last night I did a little special investigation with
doctor Phil and we'll see some of it next week. John.
I served in a unit in the idea of that
It is called the Mistavvian Uh and that literally needs
to become an Arab. The unit specializes in infiltrating terror hot
that neighborhoods addressed as locals for the purpose of arresting
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terrorists to bring it back to Israel. So I broke
out the old Kafia, which has become the new hipster
Nazi symbol, wrapped it around my face correctly, not like
these little kids, and made my way down to UCLA
at as soon as it got dark and infiltrated right
up to that encampment. Spent about an hour there around
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the perimeter. It's kind of took in the vibe and
the energy, you know, with my media work to be
able to sort of paint a picture of mosaic of
what I saw. And I got to tell you, what
I saw was some of the dumbest, silliest kids, who
in my opinion, are very dangerous zombies crossed the face.
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These kids were prepping that encampment. They were reinforcing the
four by eight sheets of plywood that were brought in
from home depot or wherever they picked it up. Counter surveillance,
kids popping their heads over, kids up in elevating positions
around the encampment, keeping a lookout, and really just entrenching
themselves ready to in their mind, go into some sort
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of fictitious battle with law enforcement. And it was pretty interesting.
But I got to tell you, and as you were
doing your intro there you were, you were talking about
you know what's really behind these process I got to
tell you. I just think this is a tenure trickle
through the university systems and they're in You're doctrinating dumb kids,
and that's what makes them dangerous. You know, the dummer
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and younger they are, uh, the more willing they are
to run at law enforcement, swing at law enforcement. But
then it opens up a bigger can in my mind,
which is the counter terrorism mangle. There's a lot of
signaling and if these protests, you know, look UCLA Columbia
wait way too long. I think they're just scared. They
don't have sps to deal with this. And the longer
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you wait to put these down. The more this rhetoric,
the more this anti semitism, more there's pro Hamas excitement,
it just it just flames out. It gets worse and
worse and worse. And so these kids are still getting
media attention, they're still in the mic. They're given press conferences,
which is baffling me. And they have them can't even
speak to you know, what they're talking about other other
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than join us, you know, telling the media put down
your cameras and pick up rocks.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Now.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
So after the encampment, I was invited down by some
associates of mine. You know, I trained law enforcement, been
doing it for twenty years. I'm very close with la SD.
So I got it behind the wire with their special
Response team, and I got to tell you it's one
of the most professional outfits. They will calm, you know,
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just waiting. The general sentiment from NYPD to l a
SD is, you know, let's get in there, let's get
this thing broken up safely. But multi layered operation involving
four or five agencies to make sure that they had
enough stacking ability, you know, based on the resistance from
the kids. But things got violent, things got aggressive, you know,
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hands were getting thrown but LASD. You know, my hat's
off to these guys. Very stressful to go in there
for LAPD University of California Police, but they did a
great job.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
I'm thinking about you said at the beginning, how it
almost sounds like they were little kids, you know, playing
like cowboys and Indians, and that they had deluded themselves
into thinking that they could take on the CHP, the
Sheriff's Department, LAPD and any other agencies that were there.
They actually thought they were going to be able to
take them on and win. I mean, what kind of
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delusional thinking? Because yeah, they're kids, but they're also legally adults.
You know, they're twenty twenty two years old. How did
they get the idea in their head that they're going
to be able to take on hundreds of armed police officers.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
I think it was a good question. You know, I
think that there's been a systematic recruitment effort going on
through these universities to educate very similar to what the
Antipa movement was, which is this colonialist settler education. A
problem with that is you can't flip that on the Jews.
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You know, I speak Hebrew. That language is three thousand
years old. You can't tell me that didn't come from somewhere.
And again, I think when you when you pump, when
you pump these young kids full of whatever radical ideology
that seems to have been taken, that seems to have
taken over the professorships, the admins, the uh the educators
of these institutions, Well then it's comes straight from the
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people that these kids look up to. So if they're
saying that, well then it must be true. When you're
twenty years old, like you said, you know, you're looking
for a fight. And there seems to be a mix
in this community. It seems to be racially mixed, seems
to be sexual mixed, it seems to be uh uh,
there's you know, there's a lot of l g t
b Q plus in there. And I got no problem
with the l g t b Q community, but you
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know what's tali those are my people. I've been right.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
But but but if they if they actually went to
some of these Muslim countries, they'd be thrown off roofs
and uh and and weren't executed, agreed.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
And so there's a big disconnect between between facts and
between this this fiction that's that's that's being spun up
in their brain. And so there's a large larger psychological
uh issue here. I think there's some there's just some
very unhealthy mental uh things that are happening here. I
can't speak to it because I'm not a psychologist, but
I can't tell you is what you alluded to, which
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was if those kids really think that they're gonna go
up against three four five hundred uh you know California
Post certified UH specialized units who have a lot of
experience in inforced protection and run at them and and
and go after these guys, then clearly there's a disconnect
between uh the high in the low brain. So something's
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going on there. My issue is that this is if
it's not put down immediately, it's going to metastasize. We
have an expression in Hebrew in the counter terrorism special
operations community which is anahova lama, which means there's no
backwards in counter terrorism. And we've been at the global war,
you know, against terror for twenty years and US is
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taking about fifteen years backwards now. As this thing continues
to expand, and if these leaders don't start leading this
is it's only going to go up from here that
I can tell you it's only going to get work.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Yeah, especially with millions of untracked, unvetted people pouring into
the country from every angle. I mean, I can't imagine
what forces are in here now and organizing, and you
could see what some of these forces have been able
to pull off.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
All right, you could have a long wolf, we could
have a lone wolf. You know. All the signaling too
is a problem for me. It's that long wolf doctor
a hardcore is lamb as he may take advantage of it.
Who may show up, Something could blow up, a gun
could get fired, you know, once one of these kids
gets killed or one of these cops gets killed. Uh,
it's it's just going to again, it's going to continue
to exacerbate the situations. It's gonna bring it more epic.
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And so you know, my optics is focusing on that
rhetoric because that rhetoric kind of kind of pulled from
the Hamas playbook and toorts in terms of tactics. And
I'm certainly not going to compare these kids to Hamas,
you know. But the question is is if they had
if they had weapons and rifles and pistols, would they
be using them. I don't know, so uh, you know,
I heard hostages, you know, as far as Hamilton Hall negotiating.
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I mean, all this stuff sounds very similar to Hamas.
But you know my opinion, I I this movement is
just kidnapping the poort Palestinian uh uh story, and they're
hijacking it for the purposes of their little egos. And
but there's something more sinister cooking here. I just don't
know what it is. How to investigate I've got I've.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Got the same feeling. Was talking with Brad Garrett from
ABC News and he had the same feeling that there's
something going on here. And I think if all of
us have either been in your business or been in
the media business, or Brad has been analyzing terrorism for
for decades, if everybody's getting the same gut feeling, there's
something going on here. The antennas are up and they're vibrating,
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and there's something that we can't see. I mean, we're
getting signals, but we don't know exactly what's going on. Uh. Well, Aaron,
I have a feeling. We're gonna talk with you a
lot in the coming months. Thank you for coming on.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Always a pleasure we'll talk soon, all.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Right, Aaron Cohen. Uh, And again he's an Israeli Special
Operations VET kind of terrorism analyst. He trains law enforcement.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
You're listening to John Cobels on demand from KFI A M.
Six forty.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Let's see, we've got somebody else coming on. Oh wait,
lost my feet? Ah, all right, well so here we go,
we go. Yes, we're gonna have Dave Packern because our
a little quickie update on the Donald Trump trial. Yes,
it's always fascinating things happened there, and that's right after
three o'clock. Here is something. An Iranian college is offering
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free tuition to any US students expelled for taking part
in these protests. So some of the kids that you
saw being dragged off by the police last night and
this morning, they have free tuition waiting for them in Iran.
One of the professors called them our people and expects
that they would support Iran in a war with America.
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See we're having a war with Iran right now. We're
just using Israel and Iran is using Palestine. But really
it's a battle between our world and their world. They
had a Shiraz University made the scholarship proposal on state
run television while discussing the protests on colleges on college
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campuses here in the US, this is Mohammed Mazini on
state owned press TV. Students and even professors who've been
expelled or threatened with expulsion can continue their studies at
Sharaz University, and I think other universities in Shiraz as
well are also prepared. A professor at the University of
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Tehran says Iran was thrilled to see such uprisings because
pro terrorist students would likely support Iran if it went
to war. See while everyone here is denying that these people,
these protesters are supporting terrorism in Iran, they know that
these students are supporting terrorism. They know they're supporting Iran
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and Hamas. And HAMAS is the terrorist arm that is
funded entirely by Iran or Hamas is designated by the
US government as a terrorist organization. It doesn't exist without
Iran's money. And here you have Iranian university officials going
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on state run TV and saying, hey, we know what
they're doing. They're supporting our terrorism. Please come here, open arms.
If tension between American Iran rise tomorrow. These are the
people who have to take this, who will have to
take to the streets to support Iran. These American students
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are our people, said Professor Fawad is Zady. Sooner or later,
this kind of support for the Zionist regime by the
American regime will diminish. It's diminishing as important, and that's
why the demonstrations on US campuses are important. See, you
have Iranian officials, they are heartened by these students. If
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they are students, I don't know what they are. I
don't know where they came from. I don't know how
they got into the country or into these universities. But
they're supporting terrorists. Stop with this nonsense. Ohough, they're just
supporting Ninas and people know they're not. They're supporting Hamas
you will see, this is only the beginning. It's going
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ABC and we're going to talk about the orange and
impetus for these college protests that have spread everywhere. Brad,
how are you great?
Speaker 2 (00:57):
John?
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Thank you? All right? So New York Times published a
map of how many campuses have had these protests, some
of them small, some of them huge. Is this spontaneous
eruption or is this a planned attack to happen at
a vulnerable time for colleges. It's finals week in a
lot of places, graduation is imminent in a lot of places.
(01:19):
There just seems just to be something like not authentic
about this to just to my instinct, Well, what about you,
what do you think?
Speaker 3 (01:27):
I think there's some reasonableness to that statement. And I
say that because what we don't know, John, is how
much influence.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Non students.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
In other words, the term outside act aggrevated agitated people
who aggravated, Yes, from the outside, thank you are are
part of this? And so you know, did this start
maybe online? Did they fire up kids by saying certain things?
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Maybe?
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Then did certain individuals sort of infiltrate the kids as
they informally got together to sort of protest what's going
on in Gaza? Probably? And then it looks like to me,
based on what NYPD and LAPD are saying, that there
is a fair number of people that weren't students of
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the people they arrested. And so you know, that tells
me a lot because that could take you directions of
foreign actors trying to get involved in this to create
chaos here or push an agenda a particular direction, and
there's also people that are professional agitators. In fact, NYPD
(02:41):
made a comment that they even recognized some of the
people that were at Hamilton Hall from intel that they had,
that this is what they do. I guess, this is
their job.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
That's what I heard one analysts say today, And one
of the cable channels is like he's seeing some of
the same people that go back to the occupied protests
in twenty eleven.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
It wouldn't surprise me. I mean, there's a certain attraction
I guess to these things for folks, as odd as
that sounds, and there's money, well there may well be
money in it. There also would be probably different agendas,
like the police and you know, stoking these things up
to the get to the point where you've now broken
(03:21):
the law and law enforcement's going to come and get you,
of which I think some of them want because it
then DAWs the picture. You know, here's law enforcement overstepping,
et cetera. Whatever their reality is about all that.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Well, you know, since it seems to come out of
the shadows and we don't know if it's financed domestically,
it's foreigners. I mean, we've obviously have the border wide open,
so who knows who's come here, you know, to create chaos.
It seems as if they could turn on the switch
whenever they want and suddenly there's dozens of campuses going crazy.
(03:58):
It just struck me that this or has gone on
since October and only now are we seeing these kinds
of protests. That's what tip me off to like this
this is not organic entirely, I don't.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
I think that's correct, and I think that once you
got it started, then you could you could amplify it
and then get the kids at uc LA and you know,
various colleges around the country. You get them going, and
so you have these multiple protests that some obviously have
turned into something much more than just peaceful protesting. Others
(04:34):
have pretty much stayed as peaceful protests.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Why do you think the administrators take so long? They
must know that this is a comb I because they
always lead with their noble statement that these are students
exercising their First Amendment rights, they're interested in the world
and so on. But they also know that there's a
darker aspect to this, and by opening the door and
leaving the door open to allow this protest us move
(05:00):
in to metastasize, you're gonna end up with a dark
knight like last night at UCLA.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
And I think that's driven by a couple of things.
One is, if you put your put yourself John in
the place of whoever runs U C l A, he
or she is going to get pulled by donors. They're
going to be pulled by students, students, parents and faculty
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and so who all have their own agendas. A lot
of it may not match. And so you're trying to
please a lot of people. I mean colleges are you know,
they get their money from a lot of different places. Uh,
And so there's all of that going on. And so yes,
they waited, they waited way too long. I think it
both on both coasts in New York, in and LA.
(05:49):
But I think the hesitation is, you know there's a
free open campuses. You know the stuff you just said,
but that at some point and along before this week,
in my view, you.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Draw a line. Save has gone too far.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
They've breaking the law and I'm going to send the
police and to get them. Now have they learned their lesson?
Because if this doesn't tone down, there's going to be
more cities where they're going to have to use law
enforcement to clear out the campus.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Here at UCLA, there has been quite a bit of
blatant anti Semitism, blatant Jewish hatred going on, and it's
really bothered a lot of people that the administration at
UCLA allowed that to fester, allowed that to continue there.
And so many people I've heard say, you know, if
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these were attacks on black people, for example, it wouldn't
be tolerated for five minutes. Why are the Jewish kids
being targeted this way? And why is the university allowing
it to go on so long?
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Yeah, it's a valid point, and I'd be interested to
hear the answer to that.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
You know.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
So there are so many things that happen that you
always scratch your head and say, why didn't that get addressed,
Because it's only going to get worse if you don't
address it, right. It's like anything else. If people know
they can take advantage of, you know, the bad things
that they're saying, they're going to say more bad things
or do more bad things. And this country, you know,
(07:20):
supposedly works off the rule of law, and you know,
if you do things to step over the boundaries of
the law. Then you need to be held accountable.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Yeah, well people are starting. More people I hear just
in casual conversation are wondering about darker conspiracies. They're wondering
why so many things are going on that just don't
make sense and are getting so out of hand. All right,
Brad David, good talking with you.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Thanks very much, You're welcome anytime.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Take care Brad Garrett. He's the ABC News Crime and
Terrorism analysts, and we will continue. Coming up, we got play.
There's one funny clip to play. It looks like and
at least one protest Joe Biden has brought Israeli supporters
and Palestine supporters together. Play of that coming up.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
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six forty.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
You know, we were just talking with Brad Garrett and
I was talking at length last last hour about the
origins of these protests. I don't like making predictions because
most predictions are wrong, most public predictions. I don't care
what it is, anything from the stock market to sporting events,
to who's going to win political races, to you know
(08:38):
how issues are going to play. Everybody's wrong because you
can't quantify human behavior. Human behavior is too weird, too erratic.
There's too many unpredictable things that happen. But I'll just
tell you what a gut feeling is. And I've had
this a while. I thought that this year was going
to be really, really nuts, and I think this is
the beginning of really really nuts with these protests. And
(09:00):
it's because I think there are certain aspects to this
that are entirely predictable. When you have an administration that
will let anybody into the country, anybody into the country
for any reason, you are going to get a significant
amount of bad guys. When you have district attorneys that
will let any behavior go unpunished, you are going to
(09:21):
get more bad behavior. When you get college administrators who
are not going to admit people to school based on
their academic excellence or their intelligence, but rather their well
the DEI qualities, diversity equity, inclusion qualities, you are going
to have problems when you don't have basic standards on
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who you're going to let in, where you're going to
let them in from. I'd be honest, I think there's
far too many people who've been let in the country
legal and illegally, who really don't want to be America
and don't believe in American ideals. I am not this big,
raw raw Patriot flagwaving guy, but I do understand when
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there's a general culture that most of us agree with
and support, that you have a more peaceful country. Well,
now we got everybody in from everywhere, and they don't
buy into America at all. They don't buy into capitalism,
they don't buy into peace. They find our way of
life to be offensive. You have people who you know,
(10:29):
from these climate change clowns, who are offended that you
might have a driveway where you wash your car, that
you might have a swimming pool, that you might drive
to work on a freeway, that you might drive to
pick up your kids from school, that you're living in suburbia,
that you use air conditioning. Let's start with that. Okay,
just get down to your life. Many of your lives
(10:52):
just basically living from morning tonight, and that there are
large groups who are not only protesting, they're spending money,
They've got influence, and they're trying to restrict the way
you live. That's why you have in California, which is
really a hotbed for all this our progressivism, the highest
gas prices you know, in the country, the highest electricity
(11:13):
prices in the country. It's all about curtailing the freedom
of the way you live.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Now.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
We also don't have any any leaders, any strong leaders
at all, nobody to set the agenda. I don't believe
in Daddy figures and in Mommi figures, but there has
to be a general sense of, hey, this is what's
important in a free United States of America. Okay, we
don't want to be a third World been at a republic.
We don't want to be a chaotic Middle Eastern country
(11:42):
with all kinds of ancient religious feuds. We had pretty
good going here, pretty good for a long time. Not perfect,
there's sure there would go on all day about what's wrong.
But you look at the when you look at drug
cartel run countries or countries that are to run by
violent theocracies, there are a lot of worse turns you
can take than America. So Joe Biden I must have
(12:06):
shot him up with a double dose of adrenaline. They
finally directed him to a microphone, and he said some
things that he should have been saying every day, and
everybody should be saying every day publicly loudly. Let's place
some of this.
Speaker 5 (12:20):
So let me be clear, peaceful protest in America, violent
protest is not protected. Peaceful protest is. It's against the law,
and violence occurs. Destroying property is not a peaceful protest.
It's against the law. Vandalism, trespassing, breaking windows, shutting down
campus is forcing the cancelation of classes and graduations. None
(12:44):
of this is a peaceful protest. Threatening people, intimidating people,
instill infering people is not peaceful protest. It's against the law.
Descent is essential to democracy, but descent must never lead
to disorder or to deny the rights of others so
students can finish the semester and their college education. Look,
(13:06):
it's basically a matter of fairness. It's a matter of
what's right. There's the right to protest, but not the
right to cause chaos.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
All right, stop there, stop, let me clear, you're clear.
And he goes on in that date, and that needed
to be said again. I'm not a big fan of
Daddy coming out and giving a speech to lecture everybody
to behave but we've really gotten to the point where
I think more important people we're forgetting that there are
laws broken here. It's not a First Amendment right to
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do what they've been doing. These people should be arrested
and they should be put in jail. They should be prosecuted. Now,
I'm sure in Gasconne's world, nobody's going to get prosecuted,
nobody's going to be jailed. No, nobody is going to
suffer consequences, which means you're going to get more of this.
You know, human beings really are like toddlers. The more
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freedom you give them to do disruptive things, bad things,
the more you're going to get. Period. And to hear
him say that, I thought, gee, you think you think
these college administration college administrators are getting the message? Do
you think all these media fools, the media fools were
still running graphics that said mostly peaceful protests. No they weren't. No,
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they weren't mostly peaceful protests, even if you didn't see
fires in the background. They were chanting pretty horrible, vile,
violent things against the Jewish students. Now Biden has accomplished
one thing. He's gotten protesters, Israeli protesters and Palestandian protesters
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at the University of Alabama to agree that he has
created a terrible environment in this country. This really happened,
both sides engaging in the same chant at the same time.
Cut six. Yeah, they're chanting F Joe Biden. And you
(15:14):
actually got to hear the audio without the bleep sound
because it's pretty funny. It's a stained chant of F
Joe Biden. And that's the Israelis and that's the Palestinians
coming together at the University of Alabama because at some level,
everybody knows that the country's gone to hell and we
don't have any kind of political leadership, and we don't
(15:37):
have any kind of law enforcement leadership from governors, from
district attorneys, especially here in California and New York. Is
the same thing, and that's why the worst riots were
in California and New York, because these are the two
big states where they've gone with the great Progressive experiment
and you get nothing but disastrous results. When we come back,
(15:57):
we're gonna have more on this. We gotta Aaron Cohen.
He is an Israeli Special Operations VET. We used to
have him on years ago and he's back doing reports
for KFI. He infiltrated the UCLA protests. He's a counter
(16:18):
terrorism analyst, national law enforcement analyst. He's going to tell
us what he found at UCLA Aaron Cohen.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
Next, you're listening to John Cobels on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
We're on from one until four and after four o'clock
John Cobelt's show on demand on the iHeart app. Excuse me,
let's continue here analyzing the But we've talked a lot
this afternoon about what is really behind these protests. It's
more than just young college students airing their First Amendment rights.
(16:57):
There's a lot going on in the back with outside
agitator groups and money and supplies, and the amount of
supplies that these this protest group in UCLA has staggering.
They've got supplies for barricades, They've got lots of food,
they had tools, they had really everything they needed to
(17:21):
live there for a while and to protect themselves from
anybody who tried to invade their tent, now excluding of course,
the police. But we're going to talk with Aaron Cohen. Now,
Aaron con is an Israeli Special Operations vet and he
trains law enforcement counter terrorism analyst, and he did a
little infiltration into UCLA this week.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Aaron, how are you good?
Speaker 4 (17:47):
Good?
Speaker 1 (17:47):
How are you. I'm good. Well, what did you do
this week and what did you find?
Speaker 2 (17:54):
So last night I did a little special investigation with
doctor Phil and we'll see some of it next week. John.
I served in a unit in the idea of that
It is called the Mistavvian Uh and that literally needs
to become an Arab. The unit specializes in infiltrating terror hot
that neighborhoods addressed as locals for the purpose of arresting
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terrorists to bring it back to Israel. So I broke
out the old Kafia, which has become the new hipster
Nazi symbol, wrapped it around my face correctly, not like
these little kids, and made my way down to UCLA
at as soon as it got dark and infiltrated right
up to that encampment. Spent about an hour there around
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the perimeter. It's kind of took in the vibe and
the energy, you know, with my media work to be
able to sort of paint a picture of mosaic of
what I saw. And I got to tell you, what
I saw was some of the dumbest, silliest kids, who
in my opinion, are very dangerous zombies crossed the face.
(18:58):
These kids were prepping that encampment. They were reinforcing the
four by eight sheets of plywood that were brought in
from home depot or wherever they picked it up. Counter surveillance,
kids popping their heads over, kids up in elevating positions
around the encampment, keeping a lookout, and really just entrenching
themselves ready to in their mind, go into some sort
(19:21):
of fictitious battle with law enforcement. And it was pretty interesting.
But I got to tell you, and as you were
doing your intro there you were, you were talking about
you know what's really behind these process I got to
tell you. I just think this is a tenure trickle
through the university systems and they're in You're doctrinating dumb kids,
and that's what makes them dangerous. You know, the dummer
(19:42):
and younger they are, uh, the more willing they are
to run at law enforcement, swing at law enforcement. But
then it opens up a bigger can in my mind,
which is the counter terrorism mangle. There's a lot of
signaling and if these protests, you know, look UCLA Columbia
wait way too long. I think they're just scared. They
don't have sps to deal with this. And the longer
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you wait to put these down. The more this rhetoric,
the more this anti semitism, more there's pro Hamas excitement,
it just it just flames out. It gets worse and
worse and worse. And so these kids are still getting
media attention, they're still in the mic. They're given press conferences,
which is baffling me. And they have them can't even
speak to you know, what they're talking about other other
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than join us, you know, telling the media put down
your cameras and pick up rocks.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Now.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
So after the encampment, I was invited down by some
associates of mine. You know, I trained law enforcement, been
doing it for twenty years. I'm very close with la SD.
So I got it behind the wire with their special
Response team, and I got to tell you it's one
of the most professional outfits. They will calm, you know,
(20:50):
just waiting. The general sentiment from NYPD to l a
SD is, you know, let's get in there, let's get
this thing broken up safely. But multi layered operation involving
four or five agencies to make sure that they had
enough stacking ability, you know, based on the resistance from
the kids. But things got violent, things got aggressive, you know,
(21:12):
hands were getting thrown but LASD. You know, my hat's
off to these guys. Very stressful to go in there
for LAPD University of California Police, but they did a
great job.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
I'm thinking about you said at the beginning, how it
almost sounds like they were little kids, you know, playing
like cowboys and Indians, and that they had deluded themselves
into thinking that they could take on the CHP, the
Sheriff's Department, LAPD and any other agencies that were there.
They actually thought they were going to be able to
take them on and win. I mean, what kind of
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delusional thinking? Because yeah, they're kids, but they're also legally adults.
You know, they're twenty twenty two years old. How did
they get the idea in their head that they're going
to be able to take on hundreds of armed police officers.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
I think it was a good question. You know, I
think that there's been a systematic recruitment effort going on
through these universities to educate very similar to what the
Antipa movement was, which is this colonialist settler education. A
problem with that is you can't flip that on the Jews.
(22:22):
You know, I speak Hebrew. That language is three thousand
years old. You can't tell me that didn't come from somewhere.
And again, I think when you when you pump, when
you pump these young kids full of whatever radical ideology
that seems to have been taken, that seems to have
taken over the professorships, the admins, the uh the educators
of these institutions, Well then it's comes straight from the
(22:45):
people that these kids look up to. So if they're
saying that, well then it must be true. When you're
twenty years old, like you said, you know, you're looking
for a fight. And there seems to be a mix
in this community. It seems to be racially mixed, seems
to be sexual mixed, it seems to be uh uh,
there's you know, there's a lot of l g t
b Q plus in there. And I got no problem
with the l g t b Q community, but you
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know what's tali those are my people. I've been right.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
But but but if they if they actually went to
some of these Muslim countries, they'd be thrown off roofs
and uh and and weren't executed, agreed.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
And so there's a big disconnect between between facts and
between this this fiction that's that's that's being spun up
in their brain. And so there's a large larger psychological
uh issue here. I think there's some there's just some
very unhealthy mental uh things that are happening here. I
can't speak to it because I'm not a psychologist, but
I can't tell you is what you alluded to, which
(23:41):
was if those kids really think that they're gonna go
up against three four five hundred uh you know California
Post certified UH specialized units who have a lot of
experience in inforced protection and run at them and and
and go after these guys, then clearly there's a disconnect
between uh the high in the low brain. So something's
(24:01):
going on there. My issue is that this is if
it's not put down immediately, it's going to metastasize. We
have an expression in Hebrew in the counter terrorism special
operations community which is anahova lama, which means there's no
backwards in counter terrorism. And we've been at the global war,
you know, against terror for twenty years and US is
(24:22):
taking about fifteen years backwards now. As this thing continues
to expand, and if these leaders don't start leading this
is it's only going to go up from here that
I can tell you it's only going to get work.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Yeah, especially with millions of untracked, unvetted people pouring into
the country from every angle. I mean, I can't imagine
what forces are in here now and organizing, and you
could see what some of these forces have been able
to pull off.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
All right, you could have a long wolf, we could
have a lone wolf. You know. All the signaling too
is a problem for me. It's that long wolf doctor
a hardcore is lamb as he may take advantage of it.
Who may show up, Something could blow up, a gun
could get fired, you know, once one of these kids
gets killed or one of these cops gets killed. Uh,
it's it's just going to again, it's going to continue
to exacerbate the situations. It's gonna bring it more epic.
(25:13):
And so you know, my optics is focusing on that
rhetoric because that rhetoric kind of kind of pulled from
the Hamas playbook and toorts in terms of tactics. And
I'm certainly not going to compare these kids to Hamas,
you know. But the question is is if they had
if they had weapons and rifles and pistols, would they
be using them. I don't know, so uh, you know,
I heard hostages, you know, as far as Hamilton Hall negotiating.
(25:39):
I mean, all this stuff sounds very similar to Hamas.
But you know my opinion, I I this movement is
just kidnapping the poort Palestinian uh uh story, and they're
hijacking it for the purposes of their little egos. And
but there's something more sinister cooking here. I just don't
know what it is. How to investigate I've got I've.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Got the same feeling. Was talking with Brad Garrett from
ABC News and he had the same feeling that there's
something going on here. And I think if all of
us have either been in your business or been in
the media business, or Brad has been analyzing terrorism for
for decades, if everybody's getting the same gut feeling, there's
something going on here. The antennas are up and they're vibrating,
(26:20):
and there's something that we can't see. I mean, we're
getting signals, but we don't know exactly what's going on. Uh. Well, Aaron,
I have a feeling. We're gonna talk with you a
lot in the coming months. Thank you for coming on.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Always a pleasure we'll talk soon, all.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Right, Aaron Cohen. Uh, And again he's an Israeli Special
Operations VET kind of terrorism analyst. He trains law enforcement.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
You're listening to John Cobels on demand from KFI A M.
Six forty.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Let's see, we've got somebody else coming on. Oh wait,
lost my feet? Ah, all right, well so here we go,
we go. Yes, we're gonna have Dave Packern because our
a little quickie update on the Donald Trump trial. Yes,
it's always fascinating things happened there, and that's right after
three o'clock. Here is something. An Iranian college is offering
(27:11):
free tuition to any US students expelled for taking part
in these protests. So some of the kids that you
saw being dragged off by the police last night and
this morning, they have free tuition waiting for them in Iran.
One of the professors called them our people and expects
that they would support Iran in a war with America.
(27:35):
See we're having a war with Iran right now. We're
just using Israel and Iran is using Palestine. But really
it's a battle between our world and their world. They
had a Shiraz University made the scholarship proposal on state
run television while discussing the protests on colleges on college
(27:56):
campuses here in the US, this is Mohammed Mazini on
state owned press TV. Students and even professors who've been
expelled or threatened with expulsion can continue their studies at
Sharaz University, and I think other universities in Shiraz as
well are also prepared. A professor at the University of
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Tehran says Iran was thrilled to see such uprisings because
pro terrorist students would likely support Iran if it went
to war. See while everyone here is denying that these people,
these protesters are supporting terrorism in Iran, they know that
these students are supporting terrorism. They know they're supporting Iran
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and Hamas. And HAMAS is the terrorist arm that is
funded entirely by Iran or Hamas is designated by the
US government as a terrorist organization. It doesn't exist without
Iran's money. And here you have Iranian university officials going
(29:09):
on state run TV and saying, hey, we know what
they're doing. They're supporting our terrorism. Please come here, open arms.
If tension between American Iran rise tomorrow. These are the
people who have to take this, who will have to
take to the streets to support Iran. These American students
(29:29):
are our people, said Professor Fawad is Zady. Sooner or later,
this kind of support for the Zionist regime by the
American regime will diminish. It's diminishing as important, and that's
why the demonstrations on US campuses are important. See, you
have Iranian officials, they are heartened by these students. If
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they are students, I don't know what they are. I
don't know where they came from. I don't know how
they got into the country or into these universities. But
they're supporting terrorists. Stop with this nonsense. Ohough, they're just
supporting Ninas and people know they're not. They're supporting Hamas
you will see, this is only the beginning. It's going
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